Re: New distro question
On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 11:11 PM, Jarod Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2008-04-08 at 20:50 -0400, Frank DiPrete wrote: Ben Scott wrote: On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 7:43 PM, Frank DiPrete [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MIS would be just as comfy with fedora as with RH. From a support and admin point of view it's pretty much the same. Speaking as a professional MIS weenie, I can say that the main thing that annoys about Fedora is their release cycle. Having to do a major upgrade to my OS every year, or living without security updates, isn't a choice I relish. yes, the release cycle for fedora is a bit fierce. But that's the fun part. :) There's the rub for us MIS types. Fedora works great but after 2 years, the updates go away if you don't keep upgrading. A repo might not exist for a 2 year old release if something needs to be added that wasn't on the dist. CD. For my desktops, I probably want the latest greatest tools. For my servers, I just want it to work and be secure. IMO this release cycle is one of the major differences between Linux and Solaris. I just ran a 1995 copy of traceroute from SunOS (not Solaris) on a stock Solaris 10 box. That'd be Redhat 2.0 era? I lost count of the number of times the kernel outran VMware and Win4Lin installs. On the otherhand, each update of an app or the kernel brings bug, speed and security fixes and might even add features that are desired. Solaris' awk/tar/etc is bug for bug compatible with the 1995 version. Pros and cons each way ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: New distro question
Michael ODonnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That way the list can continue to have discussions [...] with out having me bother everyone. :) The signal on this channel is Linux, so if you're talking Linux you're not bothering anyone because that's why we're all gathered here. What?!?! Since when? I thought this was the political-religious debate list where we only violently agreed that we disagreed on everything and beat all dead horses to a pulp?! Ben? What's going on here? Someone seems to be trying to subvert our channel! -- Seeya, Paul ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: New distro question
On Wed, 2008-04-09 at 09:13 -0400, Tom Buskey wrote: On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 11:11 PM, Jarod Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2008-04-08 at 20:50 -0400, Frank DiPrete wrote: Ben Scott wrote: On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 7:43 PM, Frank DiPrete [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MIS would be just as comfy with fedora as with RH. From a support and admin point of view it's pretty much the same. Speaking as a professional MIS weenie, I can say that the main thing that annoys about Fedora is their release cycle. Having to do a major upgrade to my OS every year, or living without security updates, isn't a choice I relish. yes, the release cycle for fedora is a bit fierce. But that's the fun part. :) There's the rub for us MIS types. Fedora works great but after 2 years, the updates go away if you don't keep upgrading. A repo might not exist for a 2 year old release if something needs to be added that wasn't on the dist. CD. Yeah, I know. I meant to include an explicit but of course, this sucks for you MIS types in there, but apparently forgot it. For my desktops, I probably want the latest greatest tools. For my servers, I just want it to work and be secure. And if I were in a position where I was maintaining more than just my own, singular, personal server, I probably *would* go RHEL instead of Fedora. (Actually, that *is* what I did in a prior life). IMO this release cycle is one of the major differences between Linux and Solaris. I just ran a 1995 copy of traceroute from SunOS (not Solaris) on a stock Solaris 10 box. That'd be Redhat 2.0 era? Yeah, I think we might still have compatibility with RHL7.x apps on RHEL5, but nothing quite that far back... On the otherhand, each update of an app or the kernel brings bug, speed and security fixes and might even add features that are desired. Solaris' awk/tar/etc is bug for bug compatible with the 1995 version. Pros and cons each way Indeed. -- Jarod Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: New distro question
Labitt, Bruce [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What is the advantage of a debian based distro compared to rpm based? (Did I say that? Keep it civil. ) Really? Nothing. Linux is Linux is Linux and Unix is Unix is Unix and Linux is Solaris is BSD is HP-UX is AI^H^H (oops, almost got carried away there :) The biggest differences boil down to: - The packaging system and associated tools (they all suck in their own way) - The location/formats of config files (they all suck in their own way) - Choice of SysVinit vs. BSD's rc.local (they both suck in their own way) When it comes to Linux distros, really, what's to be different? All of them use the same kernel, so it's not like moving between Solaris and AIX where you're moving between completely different OSes. They all use the same software, so it's not like what you run on one you can't get or run on another. It boils down to configuration, packaging, and system administration. Which, at a high level, is really the only difference between all other variants of UNIX. The same commands work across the board: ls, cd, rm, tr, sed, awk, etc. As for windowing environments, you can run whatever you want on any of them, right? I've been the using same exact desktop for 15+ years, first under twm, then ctwm, then (and now) fvwm. If you're a GNOME or KDE fan, you can still use both of those monstrosities under any of the Linux distros too. IMO, the biggest difference between a RH-based and Debian-based system is the packaging and tools and the basic sysadmin configuration: RHDebian -- rpm dpkg* yum apt* chkconfig update-rc.d /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/if*/etc/network/interfaces /etc/xinetd.* /etc/inetd.conf Those right there are the major differences I can think of. The most obvious ones being the packaging tool sets. I haven't played with a RPM-based system in nearly 8 years since I switched to Debian (I haven't even played with other Debian-based systems yet, I haven't seen the need or had the time). The thing I liked initially about Debian was the ability to install once and upgrade forever. I assume that rpm with yum has this capability by now as well, but Debian had this with apt long before yum existed. My system at home is a 9 year-old PIII which had Debian installed on it 6 years ago and I've never re-installed anything, yet I'm up-to-date with whatever I'm running on it thanks to 'apt-get dist-upgrade'. So, take that for what it's worth. If you're simply concerned about moving between different distros of Linux, that's about all the difference right there. If you're concerned about moving to other versions of UNIX, I highly recommend checking out the BSDs. I find OpenBSD with it's superior networking code makes a much nicer boot-loader for Emacs than does Linux... :) -- Seeya, Paul ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: New distro question
Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 2:54 PM, Šarūnas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In case of Debian, unstable is quite stable actually ... Last time I used it (about 14 months ago), Debian unstable had package churn on the order of tens or hundreds of megabytes per week. Unstable *is* just that :) Though, that being said, I've lived on the testing/unstable edge of Debian for years with no serious repurcussions. -- Seeya, Paul ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: New distro question
Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [1] What we call Fedora used to be known as Red Hat Linux. RHL officially ended with version 9. So call RHL 9 Fedora 0. Continuing further back, RHL 7.2 was being developed around the same time as RHEL 2.1. And tune in next week when Ben takes us through the SunOS - Solaris name mapping! Following that will be a general discussion tracking the ATT releases and how they were tracked by BSD :) -- Seeya, Paul ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: New distro question
Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Speaking as a professional MIS weenie, I can say that the main thing that annoys about Fedora is their release cycle. Having to do a major upgrade to my OS every year, or living without security updates, isn't a choice I relish. Can't that be avoided by only updating those thing installed that have available updates? Why would you install something unnecessarilly, or upgrade something you don't use/need ? Especially on any system requiring security? I've seen lots of security updates go by for things which just don't apply strictly because on most systems that have that package installed, it doesn't matter, or, on the systems where it might, that package isn't installed. -- Seeya, Paul ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: New distro question
And tune in next week when Ben takes us through the SunOS - Solaris name mapping! Following that will be a general discussion tracking the ATT releases and how they were tracked by BSD :) This UN*X family tree is known to be b0rken in some ways but it's still interesting: http://www.levenez.com/unix/ ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: New distro question
On Wed, 2008-04-09 at 10:03 -0400, Paul Lussier wrote: Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Speaking as a professional MIS weenie, I can say that the main thing that annoys about Fedora is their release cycle. Having to do a major upgrade to my OS every year, or living without security updates, isn't a choice I relish. Can't that be avoided by only updating those thing installed that have available updates? Why would you install something unnecessarilly, or upgrade something you don't use/need ? Especially on any system requiring security? Once a fedora release goes end-of-life, there are no more updates, period. For example, Fedora Core 6 went end-of-life a few months ago, and hasn't had a security update of any sort released since. So you have to upgrade the system to the next Fedora release (or the one after) to keep getting any sort of updates at all. -- Jarod Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: New distro question
On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 9:54 AM, Paul Lussier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Labitt, Bruce [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What is the advantage of a debian based distro compared to rpm based? (Did I say that? Keep it civil. ) Really? Nothing. Linux is Linux is Linux and Unix is Unix is Unix and Linux is Solaris is BSD is HP-UX is AI^H^H (oops, almost got carried away there :) The biggest differences boil down to: - The packaging system and associated tools (they all suck in their own way) - The location/formats of config files (they all suck in their own way) - Choice of SysVinit vs. BSD's rc.local (they both suck in their own way) and MacOSX launchd and Solaris 10's SMF (I miss /etc/init.d/* sometimes). NetBSD hasn't used rc.local for awhile. OpenBSD still uses it. When it comes to Linux distros, really, what's to be different? All of them use the same kernel, so it's not like moving between Solaris and AIX where you're moving between completely different OSes. They all use the same software, so it's not like what you run on one you can't get or run on another. On the surface they're all similar. It's when you get in deeper that it matters. Most of the time you don't have to go too deep as a user or even an admin. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: New distro question
On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 9:58 AM, Paul Lussier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Though, that being said, I've lived on the testing/unstable edge of Debian for years with no serious repurcussions. Over the years, I've developed a theory that software has race memory. For example, Debian clearly does not like me. For example, in my foray into etch when it was the testing release (last year), my X server got upgraded out of existence three times. Once, the system even popped up a dialog(1) box telling me that the X packages were being broken and I'd probably have to manually reinstall them. -- Ben ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: New distro question
On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Tom Buskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Choice of SysVinit vs. BSD's rc.local (they both suck in their own way) and MacOSX launchd and Solaris 10's SMF ... There's some other new dependency-based service manager init-replacement thing in the FOSS world. I forget the name. It's packaged as an option in Debian (of course). It looked appealing, but I didn't care enough to try it. -- Ben ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: New distro question
and MacOSX launchd and Solaris 10's SMF (I miss /etc/init.d/* sometimes). NetBSD hasn't used rc.local for awhile. OpenBSD still uses it. And launchd was new in 10.4. Prior to that it was SystemStarter (which a few things in 10.4 still get started by, see /System/Library/StartupItems) -Shawn ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: New distro question
There's some other new dependency-based service manager init-replacement thing in the FOSS world. I forget the name. It's packaged as an option in Debian (of course). It looked appealing, but I didn't care enough to try it. Upstart? http://upstart.ubuntu.com/ Ubuntu started using it in 6.10 -Shawn ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: New distro question
On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 11:05 AM, Shawn O'Shea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's some other new dependency-based service manager init-replacement thing in the FOSS world. I forget the name. It's packaged as an option in Debian (of course). It looked appealing, but I didn't care enough to try it. Upstart? http://upstart.ubuntu.com/ Ubuntu started using it in 6.10 It's looking more like everyone's favorite editor/terminal. *sigh* At least the source of most of them are available. I'm running 7.04 on my laptop and still see /etc/init.d. Maybe it's 7.10? Solaris 10 still has some stuff in /etc/init.d and you can add stuff there. The CD mounter (vold) is in both /etc/init.d and SMF. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: New distro question
On Wed, 2008-04-09 at 11:05 -0400, Shawn O'Shea wrote: There's some other new dependency-based service manager init-replacement thing in the FOSS world. I forget the name. It's packaged as an option in Debian (of course). It looked appealing, but I didn't care enough to try it. Upstart? http://upstart.ubuntu.com/ Ubuntu started using it in 6.10 Its also being used in Fedora 9, albeit with some stuff cobbled together for sysvinit compatibility. -- Jarod Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
[GNHLUG] GNHLUG Board/Org Meeting - Tue 29 Apr - Manchester
What : Organizational/administrative meeting Who : Board Members and anyone interested Where: Amoskeag Business Incubator, Manchester, NH Date : Tue 29 April 2008 Time : 6:00 PM - 8:00 PM GNHLUG will be holding an organizational/administrative meeting the evening of Tue 29 April, in Manchester, NH. Things will get underway around 6:00 PM, and hopefully finish up at or before 8:00 PM. The Amoskeag Business Incubator has generously agreed to provide a conference room for us. Light refreshments will be provided. http://wiki.gnhlug.org/twiki2/bin/view/Organizational/OrgMeet2008Q1Agenda Driving directions, attendance list, and agenda are posted at the above web page. Edits welcome. If you are planning on attending and are not listed, please add your name. Notes will be linked there afterwards. The meeting is open to anyone interested. If anyone wishes to discuss organizational topics in person, this is also the ideal place to do so. This will also be an official meeting of the Board of Directors, which we are required to hold at least twice annually. Greater New Hampshire Linux Users Group is a registered non-profit corporation in the state of New Hampshire. ___ gnhlug-announce mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-announce/ ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: New distro question
On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Tom Buskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/ Ubuntu started using it in 6.10 It's looking more like everyone's favorite editor/terminal. *sigh* Linux is looking more and more like Microsoft Windows every day. (This is not a compliment.) Everything needs its own daemon, an object library with complete class hierarchy, D-Bus hooks, and at least two GUI management tools. But a man page and good command-line/script integration are optional. Blech. Anyone want to give a talk on switching to *BSD? HHOS. I'm running 7.04 on my laptop and still see /etc/init.d. Maybe it's 7.10? On Ubuntu 7.10, I also see init scripts there. I'm guessing UpStart still uses those, it just controls them in a more sophisticated fashion. I would expect that for compatibility reasons. -- Ben ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: New distro question
Once a fedora release goes end-of-life, there are no more updates, period. For example, Fedora Core 6 went end-of-life a few months ago, and hasn't had a security update of any sort released since. So you have to upgrade the system to the next Fedora release (or the one after) to keep getting any sort of updates at all. Some of the systems I work with are still based on the steam-powered RHEL3 distribution and to our surprise we are not (well, not always) being told to go fsck ourselves when we report bugs against it. Of course, the RHAT folks I've been dealing with have been careful to remind me that no further development is being done on RHEL3 and that I shouldn't expect much support, but a number of security updates and a limited set of app/lib updates have nevertheless been provided, and I received a new kernel source tree for the 2.4.21-54.EL kernel just this morning containing a fix for a bug I reported. I've always been partial to Debian over RHAT (I'm another who's been running the Unstable branch on several machines since approx 2000 with no regrets) but this sort of treatment from RHAT definitely doesn't suck, so credit where credit is due... ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: New distro question
I believe RHEL3 U9 was the last full active development release Unfortunately, the bug in question was apparently introduced with the U8 release which I understand was supposed to be the final one, but it's bad enough that I'd suspect there'll be a final-and-this-time-we-really-mean-it-no-fooling U10 release. ;- ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: New distro question
On Wed, 2008-04-09 at 12:59 -0400, Michael ODonnell wrote: I believe RHEL3 U9 was the last full active development release Unfortunately, the bug in question was apparently introduced with the U8 release which I understand was supposed to be the final one, but it's bad enough that I'd suspect there'll be a final-and-this-time-we-really-mean-it-no-fooling U10 release. ;- Nope, there won't be. There might be a fix released as an update available via rhn, but no, there will not be a U10. Trust me on that. -- Jarod Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: New distro question
On Wed, Apr 09, 2008 at 12:59:08PM -0400, Michael ODonnell wrote: I believe RHEL3 U9 was the last full active development release Unfortunately, the bug in question was apparently introduced with the U8 release which I understand was supposed to be the final one, but it's bad enough that I'd suspect there'll be a final-and-this-time-we-really-mean-it-no-fooling U10 release. ;- Just out of curiosity, what bug did you run across? Don't suppose there's a BZ open on it? -- David W. Aquilina [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: New distro question
what bug did you run across? Don't suppose there's a BZ open on it? Sorry, I don't have the number in front of me at the moment but here's the patch that fixes it: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=294675 Symptom is that the system appears to hang when filesystems are unmounted, with larger filesystems being more likely to suffer the bug than smaller ones. If you're willing to wait (sometimes longer than 30 minutes) it does eventually recover but it's so busy in the meantime (apparently handling some long deferred dnode bookkeeping with some b0rken locking) that the cooling fans often throttle up to handle the load... ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: In search of an nForce2 board w/FireWire...
On Mon, 2008-04-07 at 15:23 -0400, Jarod Wilson wrote: On Mon, 2008-04-07 at 14:36 -0400, Shawn O'Shea wrote: The manual for the DFI LanParty NFII Ultra says nVIDIA® nForce2TM MCP-T and Agere FW803 Phy chips, so I guess that's what you mean (http://us.dfi.com.tw/Product/xx_product_spec_details_r_us.jsp?PRODUCT_ID=1524CATEGORY_TYPE=MBSITE=US) Some flavor of the MSI K7N2G might have it: http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?func=proddesc∏_no=521maincat_no=1 Hey, I even found one of these on eBay for a halfway decent price. Well, 2 days until close, so it could get ridiculously overpriced in a hurry, but as of right now, not bad... Managed to win the auction at a mere $20.50, so I should be all set in about a week. Woo! -- Jarod Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: New distro question
On Wed, 2008-04-09 at 14:24 -0400, Michael ODonnell wrote: what bug did you run across? Don't suppose there's a BZ open on it? Sorry, I don't have the number in front of me at the moment but here's the patch that fixes it: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=294675 Symptom is that the system appears to hang when filesystems are unmounted, with larger filesystems being more likely to suffer the bug than smaller ones. If you're willing to wait (sometimes longer than 30 minutes) it does eventually recover but it's so busy in the meantime (apparently handling some long deferred dnode bookkeeping with some b0rken locking) that the cooling fans often throttle up to handle the load... Oh, ew, I'm somewhat familiar with that one. At least, peripherally. I can't remember if it was Eric Sandeen, Jeff Moyer or Josef Bacik working on it... Ah, the suffix on the patch says Josef. :) I thought we'd already pushed an errata kernel to deal with that... -- Jarod Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: New distro question
On Wed, Apr 09, 2008 at 02:24:16PM -0400, Michael ODonnell wrote: Sorry, I don't have the number in front of me at the moment but here's the patch that fixes it: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=294675 Symptom is that the system appears to hang when filesystems are unmounted, with larger filesystems being more likely to suffer the bug than smaller ones. If you're willing to wait (sometimes longer than 30 minutes) it does eventually recover but it's so busy in the meantime (apparently handling some long deferred dnode bookkeeping with some b0rken locking) that the cooling fans often throttle up to handle the load... Heh, I'm familiar with that one... bug 413731. There won't be a new set of ISOs spun for it, but it will be fixed in the next rhel3 errata. -- David W. Aquilina [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: In search of an nForce2 board w/FireWire...
On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Jarod Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2008-04-07 at 15:23 -0400, Jarod Wilson wrote: On Mon, 2008-04-07 at 14:36 -0400, Shawn O'Shea wrote: The manual for the DFI LanParty NFII Ultra says nVIDIA(R) nForce2TM MCP-T and Agere FW803 Phy chips, so I guess that's what you mean ( http://us.dfi.com.tw/Product/xx_product_spec_details_r_us.jsp?PRODUCT_ID=1524CATEGORY_TYPE=MBSITE=US ) Some flavor of the MSI K7N2G might have it: http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?func=proddesc∏_no=521maincat_no=1 Hey, I even found one of these on eBay for a halfway decent price. Well, 2 days until close, so it could get ridiculously overpriced in a hurry, but as of right now, not bad... Managed to win the auction at a mere $20.50, so I should be all set in about a week. Woo! Always a mixed blessing winning an auction for obsolete hardware.. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: In search of an nForce2 board w/FireWire...
On Wed, 2008-04-09 at 16:16 -0400, Tom Buskey wrote: On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Jarod Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2008-04-07 at 15:23 -0400, Jarod Wilson wrote: On Mon, 2008-04-07 at 14:36 -0400, Shawn O'Shea wrote: The manual for the DFI LanParty NFII Ultra says nVIDIA® nForce2TM MCP-T and Agere FW803 Phy chips, so I guess that's what you mean (http://us.dfi.com.tw/Product/xx_product_spec_details_r_us.jsp?PRODUCT_ID=1524CATEGORY_TYPE=MBSITE=US) Some flavor of the MSI K7N2G might have it: http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?func=proddesc∏_no=521maincat_no=1 Hey, I even found one of these on eBay for a halfway decent price. Well, 2 days until close, so it could get ridiculously overpriced in a hurry, but as of right now, not bad... Managed to win the auction at a mere $20.50, so I should be all set in about a week. Woo! Always a mixed blessing winning an auction for obsolete hardware.. Indeed. Hoping I don't need it for more than few days though... -- Jarod Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Upstart (init.d replacement) Re: New distro question
init-replacement thing in the FOSS world. I forget the name. It's Upstart? http://upstart.ubuntu.com/ Ubuntu started using it in 6.10 I'm running 7.04 on my laptop and still see /etc/init.d. Maybe it's 7.10? You're both right - it shipped with Ubuntu 6.10 or so but init.d isn't fully deprecated for a couple cycles so upgrades will work and they don't have to break all packages at once, so init.d will continue to work for now too.. -- Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
