Re: Cell Phone question, maybe not linux specific?
On Sep 22, 2007, at 13:39, Ben Scott wrote: When we raised these concerns with the manager of the local sales office, his response was that we should not be trying to nickel-and-dime them on everything, since after all, they've got the best network in the country. And basically correct, no? I owe them ~ $130/mo for two lines but I can get on the 'net almost everywhere. For hackers on this list who want to be able to do whatever they want, have a look at the Treo line. Most things about it are sub- par, but it's largely hackable. I hear the Razor v8 has linux in it. It hasn't hit the states quite yet (or just has, not sure) so hacking may be rough this week. Needless to say, Verizon maintains their number one spot on my own personal shit list. Yeah, rumor is Google Apple will partner to win the 700MHz spectrum under Google's 4-Opens rules. Prepare for the Google Mesh. -Bill - Bill McGonigle, Owner Work: 603.448.4440 BFC Computing, LLC Home: 603.448.1668 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cell: 603.252.2606 http://www.bfccomputing.com/Page: 603.442.1833 Blog: http://blog.bfccomputing.com/ VCard: http://bfccomputing.com/vcard/bill.vcf ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Cell Phone question, maybe not linux specific?
On 9/24/07, Bill McGonigle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When we raised these concerns with the manager of the local sales office, his response was that we should not be trying to nickel-and-dime them on everything, since after all, they've got the best network in the country. And basically correct, no? I owe them ~ $130/mo for two lines but I can get on the 'net almost everywhere. While they may have the best network (for suitable definitions of best), that does not, in my book, mean they get to screw with the customer. If they need to charge more to fund better infrastructure, they should just do so, not play shell games with fees and rape us on customer service. The coverage issue is also rather cloudy.Verizon certainly has excellent coverage, and it seems that, in general terms, they cover the most areas. Their high-speed mobile data service can also be quite impressively fast in the right areas. But: When most people say they want the carrier with best coverage, what they really mean is they want a carrier with coverage where they are and will be. It doesn't matter if a carrier has the best overall coverage if there happens to be a dead spot where you are. For example, one of the big-wigs who switched to Verizon was disgusted to discover he has lousy coverage at his residence. Of course, analyzing this criteria requires the ability to accurately predict one's future travels. That can be challenging, to say they least. But it's still what most people want. Of course, lacking prescience, one is best served by checking carrier coverage in areas one frequents (home, work, etc., and paths between), and then selecting the carrier with the best overall coverage that also has coverage in those areas. You're playing the odds, but that's the best one can do. I suspect Verizon would win many such scenarios. On the other hand, what we're now investigating at work is whether while Verizon may have the best coverage, perhaps coverage from another carrier could be almost as good, from a company that sucks less. One thing I'm not clear on is CDMA roaming. Both Verizon and Sprint are CDMA carriers, so their equipment is nominally compatible. I've read that they have roaming agreements. But I cannot find anything on specifics. In particular, does this mean that a Sprint phone will always work if a Verizon tower is reachable, or for only some Verizon towers, or what? -- Ben ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Cell Phone question, maybe not linux specific?
On Sat, 2007-09-22 at 22:50 -0400, Ben Scott wrote: On 9/22/07, Jon 'maddog' Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I doubt that even Verizon is that incompetent. You don't know Verizon as well as I do, apparently. :-/ -- Ben My daughter got a verizon cell phone with a camera built in. The first thing I noticed was that there was no way to get images off the phone without using their service. The phone supposedly had bluetooth capability but when I connected it via bluetooth to my Macbook I got a service unavailable when I tried to access the phone's internal memory to fetch images. Verizon disables (or simply fails to provided) the bluetooth support needed to get at anything stored on the phone. I suspect that if you wanted to correct that you'd need to load new firmware which wouldn't be readily available or wouldn't necessarily work on the Verizon network. -Alex ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/ ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Cell Phone question, maybe not linux specific?
On Sep 22, 2007, at 10:50 PM, Ben Scott wrote: On 9/22/07, Jon 'maddog' Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I doubt that even Verizon is that incompetent. You don't know Verizon as well as I do, apparently. :-/ You mean you know the actual people and process behind their handset selection and provisioning? Or, do you just mean your knowledge of them as a consumer of various services? ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Cell Phone question, maybe not linux specific?
IIRC, the Verizon/bluetooth issue ended up in a class action court case back in early 2005 (partial article here - http://online.wsj.com/article/SB110557581692624772.html - more on your favorite search engine). I also know that a number of folks have since published articles about how to turn that functionality back on through hacking a firmware seam (bit string that enables/disables the phone's original capabilities). In the motorola world, my E-815 (next rev. of the V710) was not too difficult to do once I got a cable and I understand that several, but maybe not all, of the RAZR series is also hackable. I ended up with complete access to all ringtone entry slots, pictures, atc. via bluetooth along with all PIM data (more than what I used to be able to sync). I also understand that one can then access the bluetooth modem profile for high-speed (EVDO?) access w/o a data plan but that wasn't my raison d'etre for hacking it. YMMV wrt other phones' capabilities. Henry Alex Hewitt wrote: On Sat, 2007-09-22 at 22:50 -0400, Ben Scott wrote: On 9/22/07, Jon 'maddog' Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I doubt that even Verizon is that incompetent. You don't know Verizon as well as I do, apparently. :-/ -- Ben My daughter got a verizon cell phone with a camera built in. The first thing I noticed was that there was no way to get images off the phone without using their service. The phone supposedly had bluetooth capability but when I connected it via bluetooth to my Macbook I got a service unavailable when I tried to access the phone's internal memory to fetch images. Verizon disables (or simply fails to provided) the bluetooth support needed to get at anything stored on the phone. I suspect that if you wanted to correct that you'd need to load new firmware which wouldn't be readily available or wouldn't necessarily work on the Verizon network. -Alex ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/ ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/ ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Cell Phone question, maybe not linux specific?
On 9/23/07, Brian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I doubt that even Verizon is that incompetent. You don't know Verizon as well as I do, apparently. :-/ You mean you know the actual people and process behind their handset selection and provisioning? Or, do you just mean your knowledge of them as a consumer of various services? More the latter than the former, but neither is strictly accurate. I've been dealing with Verizon at various levels for 15+ years, in roles including residential subscriber, business subscriber, BBS sysop, network operator, IT consultant, and outside observer. I've dealt with a large number of service types, subscriber locations, and Verizon offices, departments, and people. As with any large organization, you get tremendous variations in the people you deal with, but Verizon definitely has an institutional culture which favors customer disservice and a general lack of clue. So I have no problem believing in any level of incompetence from Verizon. For the record, I have no knowledge of the specifics of this situation, in case that wasn't sufficiently obvious. I find the following illustrates Verizon's institutionalized incompetence fairly well: http://verizonmath.blogspot.com/ YMMV. IMO. FWIW. HAND. xkcd. -- Ben ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Cell Phone question, maybe not linux specific?
I recently got a new Motorola Razr V3 Maxx and for the princely sum of $20 I added a 2G micro SD card. I took a few pictures and then saved myself a some change by not emailing the pictures out of the camera. i.e., I took the card out and mounted it as a disk on linux. Here's the directory structure of what was on the card: 700 find . -type d . ./my_flix ./motorola ./motorola/email ./motorola/mms ./motorola/certs ./motorola/certs/root ./motorola/certs/root/x509 ./motorola/certs/root/x509/ssl ./motorola/certs/root/x509/kjava ./motorola/test ./motorola/licenses ./motorola/shared ./motorola/shared/audio ./motorola/shared/video ./motorola/shared/picture ./motorola/shared/mixedmedia ./motorola/shared/ringtone ./motorola/temp ./motorola/temp/eopu ./motorola/eri ./motorola/browser ./motorola/browser/tmp ./motorola/browser/usr ./motorola/browser/usr/audio ./motorola/browser/usr/game ./motorola/browser/usr/screensaver ./motorola/browser/usr/picture ./motorola/browser/usr/skin ./motorola/browser/usr/misc ./motorola/browser/usr/ringtone ./motorola/browser/usr/java ./motorola/browser/usr/wallpaper ./motorola/partial ./my_pix ./my_sounds ./mobile ./mobile/skins ./my_music Next I thought it'd be cool to copy in some mp3 files onto the card. The phone didn't see them when I copied them into ./my_music Is there a directory structure I need to conform to? Is there some sort of prescribed setup? Can someone send me their setup that's working? Thanks. -- Time flies like the wind. Fruit flies like a banana. Stranger things have .0. happened but none stranger than this. Does your driver's license say Organ ..0 Donor?Black holes are where God divided by zero. Listen to me! We are all- 000 individuals! What if this weren't a hypothetical question? steveo at syslang.net ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Cell Phone question, maybe not linux specific?
What is the carrier? This is very important as Verizon likes to lock out a lot of the features you're looking to do. I was able to enable a lot of them on my wife's Razr but it required some hacking around on a windows box (since that's what the software ran on) On Sep 22, 2007, at 12:01 PM, Steven W. Orr wrote: I recently got a new Motorola Razr V3 Maxx and for the princely sum of $20 I added a 2G micro SD card. I took a few pictures and then saved myself a some change by not emailing the pictures out of the camera. i.e., I took the card out and mounted it as a disk on linux. Here's the directory structure of what was on the card: 700 find . -type d . ./my_flix ./motorola ./motorola/email ./motorola/mms ./motorola/certs ./motorola/certs/root ./motorola/certs/root/x509 ./motorola/certs/root/x509/ssl ./motorola/certs/root/x509/kjava ./motorola/test ./motorola/licenses ./motorola/shared ./motorola/shared/audio ./motorola/shared/video ./motorola/shared/picture ./motorola/shared/mixedmedia ./motorola/shared/ringtone ./motorola/temp ./motorola/temp/eopu ./motorola/eri ./motorola/browser ./motorola/browser/tmp ./motorola/browser/usr ./motorola/browser/usr/audio ./motorola/browser/usr/game ./motorola/browser/usr/screensaver ./motorola/browser/usr/picture ./motorola/browser/usr/skin ./motorola/browser/usr/misc ./motorola/browser/usr/ringtone ./motorola/browser/usr/java ./motorola/browser/usr/wallpaper ./motorola/partial ./my_pix ./my_sounds ./mobile ./mobile/skins ./my_music Next I thought it'd be cool to copy in some mp3 files onto the card. The phone didn't see them when I copied them into ./my_music Is there a directory structure I need to conform to? Is there some sort of prescribed setup? Can someone send me their setup that's working? Thanks. -- Time flies like the wind. Fruit flies like a banana. Stranger things have .0. happened but none stranger than this. Does your driver's license say Organ ..0 Donor?Black holes are where God divided by zero. Listen to me! We are all- 000 individuals! What if this weren't a hypothetical question? steveo at syslang.net ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/ ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Cell Phone question, maybe not linux specific?
On Saturday, Sep 22nd 2007 at 12:56 -0400, quoth Travis Roy: =What is the carrier? I'm on Verizon too. I *really* hope you're not suggesting I can't load this thing up with music. I can get the pictures out. :-( = =This is very important as Verizon likes to lock out a lot of the features =you're looking to do. = =I was able to enable a lot of them on my wife's Razr but it required some =hacking around on a windows box (since that's what the software ran on) What SW do you have and what does it do? = =On Sep 22, 2007, at 12:01 PM, Steven W. Orr wrote: = = I recently got a new Motorola Razr V3 Maxx and for the princely sum of $20 = I added a 2G micro SD card. I took a few pictures and then saved myself a = some change by not emailing the pictures out of the camera. i.e., I took = the card out and mounted it as a disk on linux. Here's the directory = structure of what was on the card: = = 700 find . -type d = . = ./my_flix = ./motorola = ./motorola/email = ./motorola/mms = ./motorola/certs = ./motorola/certs/root = ./motorola/certs/root/x509 = ./motorola/certs/root/x509/ssl = ./motorola/certs/root/x509/kjava = ./motorola/test = ./motorola/licenses = ./motorola/shared = ./motorola/shared/audio = ./motorola/shared/video = ./motorola/shared/picture = ./motorola/shared/mixedmedia = ./motorola/shared/ringtone = ./motorola/temp = ./motorola/temp/eopu = ./motorola/eri = ./motorola/browser = ./motorola/browser/tmp = ./motorola/browser/usr = ./motorola/browser/usr/audio = ./motorola/browser/usr/game = ./motorola/browser/usr/screensaver = ./motorola/browser/usr/picture = ./motorola/browser/usr/skin = ./motorola/browser/usr/misc = ./motorola/browser/usr/ringtone = ./motorola/browser/usr/java = ./motorola/browser/usr/wallpaper = ./motorola/partial = ./my_pix = ./my_sounds = ./mobile = ./mobile/skins = ./my_music = = Next I thought it'd be cool to copy in some mp3 files onto the card. The = phone didn't see them when I copied them into ./my_music = = Is there a directory structure I need to conform to? Is there some sort of = prescribed setup? Can someone send me their setup that's working? = = Thanks. = = -- = Time flies like the wind. Fruit flies like a banana. Stranger things have = .0. = happened but none stranger than this. Does your driver's license say Organ = ..0 = Donor?Black holes are where God divided by zero. Listen to me! We are all- = 000 = individuals! What if this weren't a hypothetical question? = steveo at syslang.net = ___ = gnhlug-discuss mailing list = gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org = http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/ = -- steveo at syslang dot net TMMP1 http://frambors.syslang.net/ Do you have neighbors who are not frambors? Steven W. Orr ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Cell Phone question, maybe not linux specific?
On Saturday, Sep 22nd 2007 at 12:56 -0400, quoth Travis Roy: =What is the carrier? = =This is very important as Verizon likes to lock out a lot of the features =you're looking to do. = =I was able to enable a lot of them on my wife's Razr but it required some =hacking around on a windows box (since that's what the software ran on) = =On Sep 22, 2007, at 12:01 PM, Steven W. Orr wrote: = = I recently got a new Motorola Razr V3 Maxx and for the princely sum of $20 = I added a 2G micro SD card. I took a few pictures and then saved myself a = some change by not emailing the pictures out of the camera. i.e., I took = the card out and mounted it as a disk on linux. Here's the directory = structure of what was on the card: Also, can you or anyone tell me what the directory structure is where your music ends up? = = 700 find . -type d = . = ./my_flix = ./motorola = ./motorola/email = ./motorola/mms = ./motorola/certs = ./motorola/certs/root = ./motorola/certs/root/x509 = ./motorola/certs/root/x509/ssl = ./motorola/certs/root/x509/kjava = ./motorola/test = ./motorola/licenses = ./motorola/shared = ./motorola/shared/audio = ./motorola/shared/video = ./motorola/shared/picture = ./motorola/shared/mixedmedia = ./motorola/shared/ringtone = ./motorola/temp = ./motorola/temp/eopu = ./motorola/eri = ./motorola/browser = ./motorola/browser/tmp = ./motorola/browser/usr = ./motorola/browser/usr/audio = ./motorola/browser/usr/game = ./motorola/browser/usr/screensaver = ./motorola/browser/usr/picture = ./motorola/browser/usr/skin = ./motorola/browser/usr/misc = ./motorola/browser/usr/ringtone = ./motorola/browser/usr/java = ./motorola/browser/usr/wallpaper = ./motorola/partial = ./my_pix = ./my_sounds = ./mobile = ./mobile/skins = ./my_music = = Next I thought it'd be cool to copy in some mp3 files onto the card. The = phone didn't see them when I copied them into ./my_music = = Is there a directory structure I need to conform to? Is there some sort of = prescribed setup? Can someone send me their setup that's working? = = Thanks. = = -- = Time flies like the wind. Fruit flies like a banana. Stranger things have = .0. = happened but none stranger than this. Does your driver's license say Organ = ..0 = Donor?Black holes are where God divided by zero. Listen to me! We are all- = 000 = individuals! What if this weren't a hypothetical question? = steveo at syslang.net = ___ = gnhlug-discuss mailing list = gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org = http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/ = -- steveo at syslang dot net TMMP1 http://frambors.syslang.net/ Do you have neighbors who are not frambors? Steven W. Orr ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Cell Phone question, maybe not linux specific?
=What is the carrier? I'm on Verizon too. I *really* hope you're not suggesting I can't load this thing up with music. I can get the pictures out. :-( I wouldn't be surprised if they force you to use their vcast thing to get/purchase music. Dale's razr supports custom ringtones and mp3s but without the hack I did she wouldn't be able to do that without getting them through Verizon's service. They really -REALLY- like to lock you out of the phone as much as possible it seems. = =This is very important as Verizon likes to lock out a lot of the features =you're looking to do. = =I was able to enable a lot of them on my wife's Razr but it required some =hacking around on a windows box (since that's what the software ran on) What SW do you have and what does it do? This website has the most/best information I could find: http://www.hacktherazr.com/ You don't have to load new firmware, just trick the software into thinking you have a phone from another carrier and then it will give you access to load stuff up where verizon doesn't want you to (but the phone does). = =On Sep 22, 2007, at 12:01 PM, Steven W. Orr wrote: = = I recently got a new Motorola Razr V3 Maxx and for the princely sum of $20 = I added a 2G micro SD card. I took a few pictures and then saved myself a = some change by not emailing the pictures out of the camera. i.e., I took = the card out and mounted it as a disk on linux. Here's the directory = structure of what was on the card: = = 700 find . -type d = . = ./my_flix = ./motorola = ./motorola/email = ./motorola/mms = ./motorola/certs = ./motorola/certs/root = ./motorola/certs/root/x509 = ./motorola/certs/root/x509/ssl = ./motorola/certs/root/x509/kjava = ./motorola/test = ./motorola/licenses = ./motorola/shared = ./motorola/shared/audio = ./motorola/shared/video = ./motorola/shared/picture = ./motorola/shared/mixedmedia = ./motorola/shared/ringtone = ./motorola/temp = ./motorola/temp/eopu = ./motorola/eri = ./motorola/browser = ./motorola/browser/tmp = ./motorola/browser/usr = ./motorola/browser/usr/audio = ./motorola/browser/usr/game = ./motorola/browser/usr/screensaver = ./motorola/browser/usr/picture = ./motorola/browser/usr/skin = ./motorola/browser/usr/misc = ./motorola/browser/usr/ringtone = ./motorola/browser/usr/java = ./motorola/browser/usr/wallpaper = ./motorola/partial = ./my_pix = ./my_sounds = ./mobile = ./mobile/skins = ./my_music = = Next I thought it'd be cool to copy in some mp3 files onto the card. The = phone didn't see them when I copied them into ./my_music = = Is there a directory structure I need to conform to? Is there some sort of = prescribed setup? Can someone send me their setup that's working? = = Thanks. = = -- = Time flies like the wind. Fruit flies like a banana. Stranger things have = .0. = happened but none stranger than this. Does your driver's license say Organ = ..0 = Donor?Black holes are where God divided by zero. Listen to me! We are all- = 000 = individuals! What if this weren't a hypothetical question? = steveo at syslang.net = ___ = gnhlug-discuss mailing list = gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org = http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/ = -- steveo at syslang dot net TMMP1 http://frambors.syslang.net/ Do you have neighbors who are not frambors? Steven W. Orr ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Cell Phone question, maybe not linux specific?
On 9/22/07, Steven W. Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm on Verizon too. I *really* hope you're not suggesting I can't load this thing up with music. Oh, I'm sure you'll be able to load music. You'll just have to pay though the nose to do so. That is Verizon's MO. At work, we recently switched a few people from our old carrier to Verizon with BlackBerry 8830 World Edition phones. Some of things we've discovered: It costs an extra $5/month/phone to pool minutes across the corporate account. It costs an extra $15/month/phone to use it as a tethered modem for a laptop, despite already paying an extra $40/month/phone to have an unlimited data plan. You have to pay $50/phone to get a cable to tether, despite the fact that the 8830 has a built-in Bluetooth radio, and other carriers support Bluetooth tethers. You have to pay extra to get the SIM card and associated service to actually use the 8830 World Edition internationally. Oh, and make sure you dial *228 before leaving the country to update the roaming list, or it likely won't work when you get there. The 8830's have a built-in GPS radio receiver, and come with BlackBerry Maps mapping software. You can also use things like Google Maps. Verizon has disabled application access to the GPS, because they want to charge you $15/month/phone for the VZ Navigator service instead. However, they haven't been able to get VZ Nav working on the 8830's yet. Originally it was supposed to be available in July. Then August. Then September. Then Q4 2007. Then some time in 2008. Now they're saying they don't know when, and won't even say it will ever work. GPS applications on 8800 series units from Sprint and Cingular are reported to be working fine. When we raised these concerns with the manager of the local sales office, his response was that we should not be trying to nickel-and-dime them on everything, since after all, they've got the best network in the country. And no, I'm not making that up. That was their response, almost word-for-word. Needless to say, Verizon maintains their number one spot on my own personal shit list. -- Ben ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Cell Phone question, maybe not linux specific?
On 9/22/07, Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/22/07, Steven W. Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm on Verizon too. I *really* hope you're not suggesting I can't load this thing up with music. Oh, I'm sure you'll be able to load music. You'll just have to pay though the nose to do so. That is Verizon's MO. I've come across at least one Verizon phone that defaulted to being able to play WMA only, but there was an option to enable MP3 playback in the firmware. I've also heard that some phones won't play back MP3s unless they were loaded with the VZW Music software, which can be gotten, along with a data cable, for ~$30. I'm guessing it does some sort of database update, similar to how iPods operate. Although I suppose it might just transcode them to WMA before loading them onto the card. -- Chip Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kyzoku.2bithacker.net/ GCM/IT d+(-) s+:++ a26? C++ UB$ P+++$ L- E--- W++ N@ o K- w O M+ V-- PS+ PE Y+ PGP++ t+@ R@ tv@ b++@ DI D+(-) G++ e++ h++ r-- y? ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Cell Phone question, maybe not linux specific?
http://www.bitpim.org/ is a good place to start. Thomas On 9/22/07, Steven W. Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday, Sep 22nd 2007 at 12:56 -0400, quoth Travis Roy: =What is the carrier? I'm on Verizon too. I *really* hope you're not suggesting I can't load this thing up with music. I can get the pictures out. :-( = =This is very important as Verizon likes to lock out a lot of the features =you're looking to do. = =I was able to enable a lot of them on my wife's Razr but it required some =hacking around on a windows box (since that's what the software ran on) What SW do you have and what does it do? = =On Sep 22, 2007, at 12:01 PM, Steven W. Orr wrote: = = I recently got a new Motorola Razr V3 Maxx and for the princely sum of $20 = I added a 2G micro SD card. I took a few pictures and then saved myself a = some change by not emailing the pictures out of the camera. i.e., I took = the card out and mounted it as a disk on linux. Here's the directory = structure of what was on the card: = = 700 find . -type d = . = ./my_flix = ./motorola = ./motorola/email = ./motorola/mms = ./motorola/certs = ./motorola/certs/root = ./motorola/certs/root/x509 = ./motorola/certs/root/x509/ssl = ./motorola/certs/root/x509/kjava = ./motorola/test = ./motorola/licenses = ./motorola/shared = ./motorola/shared/audio = ./motorola/shared/video = ./motorola/shared/picture = ./motorola/shared/mixedmedia = ./motorola/shared/ringtone = ./motorola/temp = ./motorola/temp/eopu = ./motorola/eri = ./motorola/browser = ./motorola/browser/tmp = ./motorola/browser/usr = ./motorola/browser/usr/audio = ./motorola/browser/usr/game = ./motorola/browser/usr/screensaver = ./motorola/browser/usr/picture = ./motorola/browser/usr/skin = ./motorola/browser/usr/misc = ./motorola/browser/usr/ringtone = ./motorola/browser/usr/java = ./motorola/browser/usr/wallpaper = ./motorola/partial = ./my_pix = ./my_sounds = ./mobile = ./mobile/skins = ./my_music = = Next I thought it'd be cool to copy in some mp3 files onto the card. The = phone didn't see them when I copied them into ./my_music = = Is there a directory structure I need to conform to? Is there some sort of = prescribed setup? Can someone send me their setup that's working? = = Thanks. = = -- = Time flies like the wind. Fruit flies like a banana. Stranger things have = .0. = happened but none stranger than this. Does your driver's license say Organ = ..0 = Donor?Black holes are where God divided by zero. Listen to me! We are all- = 000 = individuals! What if this weren't a hypothetical question? = steveo at syslang.net = ___ = gnhlug-discuss mailing list = gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org = http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/ = -- steveo at syslang dot net TMMP1 http://frambors.syslang.net/ Do you have neighbors who are not frambors? Steven W. Orr ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/ -- -- Thomas ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Cell Phone question, maybe not linux specific?
I've come across at least one Verizon phone that defaulted to being able to play WMA only, but there was an option to enable MP3 playback in the firmware. I've also heard that some phones won't play back MP3s unless they were loaded with the VZW Music software, which can be gotten, along with a data cable, for ~$30. I'm guessing it does some sort of database update, similar to how iPods operate. Although I suppose it might just transcode them to WMA before loading them onto the card. Part of the issue could be the patent royalty payments that are attached to playing back mp3 recordings. On playback devices (or with purchased software) these royalties are supposedly paid. But if you are a company making telephones and you can get away not paying the royalty by choosing a non-royalty bearing format, or covering the royalty through forcing the person to purchase an add-on, then you might save (if manufacturing a significant quantity of the phones) quite a bit of moneyplus the add-on revenues you get by having them purchase the product for something that people obviously want to do. The royalty issue had new meaning with the relatively recent Alcatel-Lucent court case: http://www.wired.com/entertainment/music/news/2007/02/72785 md -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association Board Member Emeritus: USENIX Association (2000-2006) (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Cell Phone question, maybe not linux specific?
On 9/22/07, Jon 'maddog' Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've come across at least one Verizon phone that defaulted to being able to play WMA only ... Part of the issue could be the patent royalty payments that are attached to playing back mp3 recordings. Except that WMA ain't free or Free, either. My guess would be incompetence on the part of Verizon; they knew they wanted to be able to charge to play MP3s, so they disabled that, but didn't know what WMA was so left that alone. -- Ben ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Cell Phone question, maybe not linux specific?
Except that WMA ain't free or Free, either. My guess would be incompetence on the part of Verizon; they knew they wanted to be able to charge to play MP3s, so they disabled that, but didn't know what WMA was so left that alone. I doubt that even Verizon is that incompetent. As long as we are guessing, I would guess that they somehow got the license for WMA for free, even if WMA is not Free. Or they somehow convinced themselves that they needed the WMA technology to create their boops and bleeps and ringtones for the phone, and so paid for the technology that people would least want, freeing their customers to pay for the technology that they really wanted (mp3). Hmmm, this is an offshoot of the Microsoft model Never vote for incompetence when pure evil will also explain it. :-} md -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association Board Member Emeritus: USENIX Association (2000-2006) (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
