Re: Automated Teller Machines
A bank in Brasil was using OS/2 for their OS in their ATM machines. Since their machines were built over time, they were 386s, 486s and Pentium architectures with various amounts of memory and disks. They switched to Linux several years ago. I can give you their name if you are interested. md -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association Board Member Emeritus: USENIX Association (2000-2006) (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Automated Teller Machines
Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 03:34:50 -0400 From: Jon 'maddog' Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org A bank in Brasil was using OS/2 for their OS in their ATM machines. They switched to Linux several years ago. I can give you their name if you are interested. Yes, interested! ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Automated Teller Machines
On Aug 3, 2008, at 03:34, Jon 'maddog' Hall wrote: A bank in Brasil was using OS/2 for their OS in their ATM machines. It's my understanding that most US-based banks which use text-based ATM's, or 'light-graphical' ATM's are also using OS/2. I have no experience, just folks have told me that. The 'snazzy' ones are of the variety where you can find amusing BSoD snapshots online. But, to the original question, one doesn't get a local bank to switch to Linux for any reason - because they never selected it; they have a vendor which selected it. A large bank may write their own ATM software, but most are 3rd-party. So, that would be the area of focus, the vendors. And I suspect the vendors are highly motivated to keep things as proprietary as possible. It could be the royalty savings would trump that. My guess is their bidding isn't highly competitive (non-commodity product) and they happily pass along royalty costs. Now... if there was an open spec, an open source implementation, and COTS hardware such that a local bank could 'just' build an ATM. Well, best ask a banking IT guy how that might shape up, but at least it would have some chance of happening that's 0. If one were interested in working on such a project, finding a local bank owner who's well-fed-up with 'both' (for lack of knowledge other than what I see locally) of the ATM vendors might be a place to start. Selling ready-to-go packages for much less than the proprietary guys might be a business model. -Bill - Bill McGonigle, Owner Work: 603.448.4440 BFC Computing, LLC Home: 603.448.1668 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cell: 603.252.2606 http://www.bfccomputing.com/Page: 603.442.1833 Blog: http://blog.bfccomputing.com/ VCard: http://bfccomputing.com/vcard/bill.vcf ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Automated Teller Machines
Banrisul is the name of the bank. Here is their URL: http://www.banrisul.com.br/ It is a bank of the State of Rio Grande do Sul, the state where the FISL conference (http://fisl.softwarelivre.org/9.0/www/ - 7000 chanting, screaming free software people attending) is held. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banrisul says that it was the first bank in the world to use the Linux Operating System in an ATM (and I did not make that entry). I have pictures of the ATM machine, with the Tux penguin on the front. I will send them to you privately so I do not clog up people's email. I also have several instances of Linux being used in Lottery systems, both the terminals and the server systems. md -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association Board Member Emeritus: USENIX Association (2000-2006) (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Automated Teller Machines
On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 9:20 PM, Curtis Sandoval [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyway, I wondered if there were any efforts to develop a Linux like OpenBSD or similar that was all but impenetrable and could run on minimal resources to produce an open-source and secure platform for banks ... Not that I don't like the thought, but I think you're missing some key aspects of the situation: 1. Most of the insecurities around cash machines stem from poor understanding of security issues at the application layer. The OS is almost irrelevant. It's not like Windows XP or Linux have cash dispensing routines. (Windows tends to consume cash, not dispense it, hah hah.) 2. Historically, banks have depended almost entirely on physical methods and isolation for security, not higher level protections. ATMs do typically resemble a strong box or bank vault, so this isn't entirely an unrealistic approach. 3. minimal resources isn't the concern these days. Hardware is cheap. Banks are most concern with the organization which is providing the equipment and software -- the level of support they can provide, and their established reputation. Fundamentally, banks function based on reputation; this leads them to be very suspicious of newcomers. Simply throwing Linux at the problem isn't likely to work. -- Ben ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
