another windoze emulator
didn't someone recently mention yet another windows emulator for linux? not wine, not vmware.. it was new to me, but now i can't find the message.. -- #ken P-)} Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Golux.Com/coar/ Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/ "Millennium hand and shrimp!" ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: another windoze emulator
On Tue, Jan 07, 2003 at 01:21:05PM -0500, Rodent of Unusual Size <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > didn't someone recently mention yet another windows emulator > for linux? not wine, not vmware.. it was new to me, but now > i can't find the message.. Win4Lin? -- Bob Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - "The Ferraris are only gravy, honest!" -- John Carmack, Doom and Quake developer ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: another windoze emulator
> didn't someone recently mention yet another windows emulator > for linux? not wine, not vmware.. it was new to me, but now > i can't find the message.. I also was going to say win4lin, Also, VMWare isn't an emulator, it's a virtual machine, there's a BIG difference.. I think win4lin is also a virtual machine. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: another windoze emulator
On Tue, 2003-01-07 at 13:21, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: > didn't someone recently mention yet another windows emulator > for linux? not wine, not vmware.. it was new to me, but now > i can't find the message.. > -- Though it's not an emulator, you may be thinking of bochs and/or plex86. Plex86, I believe, was a fork of bochs that was dead for a while, but I think it's been revived and can be found on savanah.gnu.org. bochs is at http://bochs.sourceforge.net/ -- -Paul Iadonisi Senior System Administrator Red Hat Certified Engineer / Local Linux Lobbyist Ever see a penguin fly? -- Try Linux. GPL all the way: Sell services, don't lease secrets ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: another windoze emulator
Win4Lin is not a virtual machine.you cannot run another operating system on top of it the way you can with VMware. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: another windoze emulator
Technically it is, but it is limited to running a single copy of Windows 9x. (Of course, some of us may not consider Windows 9x and operating system). Win4Lin does a pretty decent job by allowing the user to run a complete copy of Windows9x. One advantage of this over WINE (and CrossoverOffice) is that virtually every Windoz program can run with very few exceptions. Another advantage of this over VMWare (other than cost) is that the Windows file system is simply a subdirectory in your Linux native file system. Performance is better than VMWare (although VMWare is the better product). Jon Hall wrote: > Win4Lin is not a virtual machine.you cannot run another operating system > on top of it the way you can with VMware. -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Win4lin Performance (was: another windoze emulator)
Mandatory Tangent Post: Anyone w/ direct experience using win4lin to run W9x games? I'm not too interested in the latest & greatest shooters. I'm mostly a strategy/rts/city-builder addict (and many of the ones I like are 1+ years old), so I don't care if it can throw 3 billion frames / second. However, I do like smooth graphics under those games, and a responsive interface is critical. Games are one of the main reasons I keep a "Wintendo" installation of W98 on my machine. As example, some of the ones keeping me mostly distracted are MechCommander, Pharaoh, Star Fleet Command & Stronghold -Lawrence -Original Message- From: Jerry Feldman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 2:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: another windoze emulator Technically it is, but it is limited to running a single copy of Windows 9x. (Of course, some of us may not consider Windows 9x and operating system). Win4Lin does a pretty decent job by allowing the user to run a complete copy of Windows9x. One advantage of this over WINE (and CrossoverOffice) is that virtually every Windoz program can run with very few exceptions. Another advantage of this over VMWare (other than cost) is that the Windows file system is simply a subdirectory in your Linux native file system. Performance is better than VMWare (although VMWare is the better product). Jon Hall wrote: > Win4Lin is not a virtual machine.you cannot run another operating > system on top of it the way you can with VMware. -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Win4lin Performance (was: another windoze emulator)
The performance is good. Games, however, are another ball o' wax. Windows uses DirectX (?) to do funky stuff with writing directly to video memory and the like -- this is pretty un-portable. I know that there are parties trying to make it work, but I have no idea where they are in the process. In a nutshell: if your games require DirectX, don't even bother. (Note: last time I used Win4Lin was 3.x; for all I know 4.x has remedied this.) -Ken > Mandatory Tangent Post: > > Anyone w/ direct experience using win4lin to run W9x games? I'm not too > interested in the latest & greatest shooters. I'm mostly a > strategy/rts/city-builder addict (and many of the ones I like are 1+ years > old), so I don't care if it can throw 3 billion frames / second. However, > I do like smooth graphics under those games, and a responsive interface is > critical. Games are one of the main reasons I keep a "Wintendo" > installation of W98 on my machine. > > As example, some of the ones keeping me mostly distracted are > MechCommander, Pharaoh, Star Fleet Command & Stronghold > > -Lawrence > > -Original Message- > From: Jerry Feldman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 2:30 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: another windoze emulator > > > Technically it is, but it is limited to running a single copy of Windows > 9x. (Of course, some of us may not consider Windows 9x and operating > system). > Win4Lin does a pretty decent job by allowing the user to run a complete > copy of Windows9x. One advantage of this over WINE (and CrossoverOffice) > is > that virtually every Windoz program can run with very few exceptions. > Another advantage of this over VMWare (other than cost) is that the > Windows > file system is simply a subdirectory in your Linux native file system. > Performance is better than VMWare (although VMWare is the better product). > > Jon Hall wrote: >> Win4Lin is not a virtual machine.you cannot run another operating >> system on top of it the way you can with VMware. > > -- > Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Boston Linux and Unix user group > http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 > PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 > > > ___ > gnhlug-discuss mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss > ___ > gnhlug-discuss mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss > > ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Win4lin Performance (was: another windoze emulator)
On Tue, 7 Jan 2003, at 2:49pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Anyone w/ direct experience using win4lin to run W9x games? For games, I've had surprising success with Wine. For example, I once had StarCraft running very well under Linux, using Wine. And StarCraft is a very DirectX-ish game, with lots of side scrolling, and lots of cinematic cut scenes. As I recall, it took some tweaking to get it to work, but it did work. -- Ben Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | The opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not | | necessarily represent the views or policy of any other person, entity or | | organization. All information is provided without warranty of any kind. | ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Win4lin Performance (was: another windoze emulator)
Yes, I had Star Craft working on my laptop with Wine and RH 7.2. I haven't tried it since upgrading to RH 8.0. It uses DirectX 5, and most games that do should work. These are older games. I've heard that someone got War Craft III working with either Win4Lin or Wine, but I haven't actually seen it, or maybe that was with VMWare? Since I use FreeBSD for my "real work" and Windows only for games, I made my workstation dual boot. I jokingly refer to my FreeBSD uptime as MTBWCIII (Mean Time Between War Craft III). [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 7 Jan 2003, at 2:49pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone w/ direct experience using win4lin to run W9x games? For games, I've had surprising success with Wine. For example, I once had StarCraft running very well under Linux, using Wine. And StarCraft is a very DirectX-ish game, with lots of side scrolling, and lots of cinematic cut scenes. As I recall, it took some tweaking to get it to work, but it did work. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
RE: Win4lin Performance (was: another windoze emulator)
Thanks to you both for the first-hand info, Jason & Ben!! I'm pretty confident StarCraft is at least as resource and DX intensive as anything I currently play, so I guess I'll look more into Wine than win4lin. -Lawrence -Original Message- From: Jason Stephenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 1:38 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Win4lin Performance (was: another windoze emulator) Yes, I had Star Craft working on my laptop with Wine and RH 7.2. I haven't tried it since upgrading to RH 8.0. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Win4lin Performance (was: another windoze emulator)
On Thu, 2003-01-09 at 01:38, Jason Stephenson wrote: > It uses DirectX 5, and most games that do should work. These are older > games. I've heard that someone got War Craft III working with either > Win4Lin or Wine, but I haven't actually seen it, or maybe that was with > VMWare? I play warcraft III all the time - even host games. I run transgaming's winex stuff, works great. I also play/run Diablo II Lord of Destruction as well as some older ones, like Heroes of Might and Magic III and Total Annihilation. If you need any help with this stuff, let me know. Ben ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
