Re: New team for Neapolitan (nap)

[Mohammad Foroughi]

I tried to reply to this email and I got this error:

: host wordsandmore.it[85.236.52.68] said: 553
sorry, that domain isn't in my list of allowed rcpthosts (#5.7.1) (in
reply
to RCPT TO command)

 Also mailing list seems to be empty!

  http://eng.i-iter.mobi/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/neapolita

> Hi, I would like to start the translation team for Gnome into Neapolitan.
>
> My full name: Sabine Emmy Eller
> E-Mail: s.crete...@gmail.com
> Bugzilla account: s.crete...@gmail.com
> Language name (en): Neapolitan
> Language name (nap): Napulitano
> ISO 639-3 code: nap
>
> Maililng list where I would like to see discussions:
> http://eng.i-iter.mobi/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/neapolitan
> neapoli...@eng.i-iter.mobi
>
> Ok, so I hope this info is fine, please let me know if something is
> missing
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Sabine Emmy Eller
> CCO - Vox Humanitatis
> s.el...@voxhumanitatis.org
> skype: sabinecretella
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Re: [+gnome] Re: New Language

[Mohammad Foroughi]

> I would start a translation team for it, if a posting could be made on the
> teams page.
>
> James

please use Reply All (or similar keys) to send your email to the list.
How many people talk in this language?
If there be a Gnome Translation of your language, how many users will use it?
In what areas of world people speak/read this language?

>
> On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 3:59 AM, Wouter Bolsterlee  wrote:
>
>> 2009-02-03 klockan 09:53 skrev Mohammad Foroughi:
>> > What if it was a fake language?
>>
>> Is *is* a fake, or actually, a constructed language.
>>
>> > Why you must let a translation team for a language with no use be
>> started?
>> >  How you guarantee that it will not be misused?
>>
>> There is no translation team, and none will be started I think. I was
>> just
>> saying that noting "hey here's a language you might not have heard
>> about"
>> won't magically make Gnome available in that language... :)
>>
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Re: New Language

[Mohammad Foroughi]

> 2009/2/3 Wouter Bolsterlee :
>> 2009-02-03 klockan 09:32 skrev Wouter Bolsterlee:
>>> Thanks for your message.
>>> 2009-02-03 klockan 07:19 skrev James Johnson:
>>> > I'm new here, but I'd like to let you know about a new language I
>>> saw:
>>> > [1]http://niwenglisc.wikia.com/wiki/Hefdtramt - It's an Old
>>> English/German
>>> > hybrid, and I think it'd make a good localization for GNOME.
>>> Unless you want to start a translation team, I do not see why any
>>> random
>>> language would be "a good localization for Gnome". There are lots of
>>> languages in the world, and only limited resources, so only languages
>>> that
>>> people actually care about have active translation teams.
>>
>> Furthermore, there seem to be 0 native speakers for your self-invented
>> language ;)
>
> We have enough automation in gnome-i18n project. Then if anyone would
> like to spend his free time on making a translation for specific
> language (obsolete/unused/with no native-speakers etc.) that's not a
> big problem for GNOME itself. And we should give that person
> possibility to do it (translation). That's what free software is all
> about.
>

What if it was a fake language?

I know a person that tried to get a language (FA_AF and prs) to use as a
FA_IR alternative...

Why you must let a translation team for a language with no use be started?
 How you guarantee that it will not be misused?

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Re: New team for Afar (aa)

[Mohammad Foroughi]

Hi,

 Because there was a person that wants to take a language coordination for
a language that was not his mother language, EVEN he did not know it! If
you look at the list history you can see mails from a person that tries
to get fa_AF and prs!

 Just to clear the situation: I think there should be a method to validate
language team requests.

> Afar is my native language. I  speak, read and write Afar .
>  
> Charif  AYFARAH
>
>
> --- En date de : Lun 13.10.08, Mohammad Foroughi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a
> écrit :
>
> De: Mohammad Foroughi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Objet: Re: New team for Afar (aa)
> À: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org
> Date: Lundi 13 Octobre 2008, 6h33
>
> Do you know Afar language?
>
> Can u speak Afar?
>
>>  
>> My first name : Charif
>>  
>> My last name : AYFARAH
>>  
>> E-mail address and Bugzilla account : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>  
>> I am understand English and native (UTF-8-coded)  Afar (aa).
>>  
>> I want coordinate the Afar language translation project.
>>  
>> Thank you
>>  
>>  
>> Charif AYFARAH
>>  
>>  
>>
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Re: New team for Afar (aa)

[Mohammad Foroughi]

Do you know Afar language?

Can u speak Afar?

>  
> My first name : Charif
>  
> My last name : AYFARAH
>  
> E-mail address and Bugzilla account : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  
> I am understand English and native (UTF-8-coded)  Afar (aa).
>  
> I want coordinate the Afar language translation project.
>  
> Thank you
>  
>  
> Charif AYFARAH
>  
>  
>
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Re: Start a new branch for fa__IR

[Mohammad Foroughi]

> On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 5:25 AM, Mohammad Foroughi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>> Ok, How can I start my own branch of fa_IR ?
>
> The easiest is creating a website and providing your translations
> there. More convenient for your users may be creating packages with
> your translations, for your favorite GNU/Linux distribution. You can
> even create your own distribution. Lots of distributions have good
> customization tools.
>
> For general information, see:
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fork_(software_development)
>

How can I benefit from gnome.org facilities like svs? Can I have latest
changes to strings?

I just started a branch for my own, but the problem is that it is hart to
keep in sync with gnome strings (new strings).

Do u have any solution?


Best Wishes,
Mohammad Foroughi

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Start a new branch for fa__IR

[Mohammad Foroughi]

Please see this link:

 http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-i18n/2008-July/msg00090.html

And tell me what we can do?

Roozbeh told me that, if I am not satisfied with current translation
progress, I can start my own branch.

http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-i18n/2008-May/msg00185.html

Ok, How can I start my own branch of fa_IR ?

Best Wishes,
Mohammad Foroughi



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Re: New team for [Persian] ([fa]

[Mohammad Foroughi]

On Mon, 2008-07-07 at 22:29 +0430, mo mo wrote:
> Hi
> 
> Please read the whole message.
> 
> My name is: Mohammad Moulai
> 
> My Bugzilla account is: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> My language is: Persian ( پارسی ).  The ISO 639 code of Persian
> language is: fa
> 
> I wanna start a new team to translate gnome in persian
> 
> I have send this message before and I got this:
> 
> 
> Please read the history of this mailing list.
> 
> It is very difficult to replace translation coordinator, if
> you don't have
> history of translation work. Call it bad karma or lack of
> reputation.
> 
> If you want to improve Persian translations, start translating
> things and
> file bug reports with your translations or send translation to
> translation
> coordinator. You might not like current coordinator, but by
> attacking him
> you won't reach your goals.
> 
> Translate things, build up reputation. Complain if you have
> something
> translated and it is not added to Gnome software repository in
> reasonable
> time frame.
> 
> 
> If we create a petition on http://www.petitiononline.com would that be
> helpful? To show every one that we are not joking.
> We are not looking for reputation.
> We just want to improve translations of our language ( Persian ) in
> next Gnome releases.
> That's all

As you can see in the history, there was a long discussion about this
problem.

I am optimistic about the progress and think there is no need for new
fight.

You can start translating and post them to bugzilla and wait for
submission.

Depending on the result (of course after a reasonable time) we can take
new decisions.

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Re: Slowness in farsi translation

[Mohammad Foroughi]

On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 20:56 -0300, Leonardo F. Fontenelle wrote:
> Em Qui, 2008-07-03 às 13:59 +0430, s.m ziaei escreveu:
> > Hi all.
> > We must all increase our endurance.
> 
> Usually I just discard the e-mails from this endless thread.
> 
> We must all stop fighting, and start working together.
> 

Ok,

Shall I continue my translation? What is the fate of my previous
translations? Shall I see the result of my work in gnome?

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Re: Slowness in farsi translation

[Mohammad Foroughi]

On Wed, 2008-07-02 at 14:01 +0100, Simos Xenitellis wrote:
> O/H Abbas Esmaeeli Some'eh έγραψε:
> > On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 16:26:52 +0430
> > "s.m ziaei" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >   
> >> Imam Ali (AS) :
> >> Like your friend enough mayhap he will convert to your enemy
> >> And hate your enemy enough mayhap he will convert to your friend.
 <>> امام علی(ع( :
 <>> دوستت را به اندازه دوست بدار چه بسا روزی دشمنت گردد
 <>> و دشمنت را باندازه دشمن دار شاید روزی به دوست تو بدل گردد.
> >>
> >> 
> >
 <> بابا جمع کن این بساط نصیحت کردنت رو. اینجا لیست پستی گنوم هست، نه حوزه
 <> علمیه قم. یه هفته هست هی داری اسپم می‌فرستی به لیست.
> >   
> Dear S.M. and Abbas,
> 
> This is an English-speaking mailing list.
> Ignoring the good intentions, it is rude to write in another language.
> 
> Simos
> 

S.M Ziaei wrote an English sentence with it's Persian translation.

Abbas wrote a sarcastic sentence (in Persian) in answer of S.M Ziaei and
told him that he is an spammer!


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Re: Slowness in farsi translation

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On Sat, 2008-06-28 at 10:03 +0430, s.m ziaei wrote:
> Whats the problem ?
> I didn't see any except that for a long time i see many untranslated
> words in the forehead of gnome (its desktop and menu)
> that can be solved very easy; But I didn't understand why didn't this
> simple problem solve for few years.
> I made a very simple path for myself and run it in each distribution
> of gnome.
> Probably coordinators only use gnome in English and aren't interested
> to use it in the language that they are its coordinator.

How many coordinators use their language in their desktop?

> therefore untranslated words isn't important for them.
> or maybe they are vary hardscrabble.
> howsoever I am fond to continue working on all of localization
> projects in gnome such as translation and localization specially for
> calendar.
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Olav Vitters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 09:29:21AM +0430, Alireza Hesabi
> wrote:
> > Roozbeh: You are just a nasty fascist. Your only prominence
> is that you was
> > the first one who got coordination of fa.
> 
> 
> This is not appropriate language for ANY mailing list on
> @gnome.org.
> Take this off list.
> 
> See also http://live.gnome.org/CodeOfConduct for more
> constructive ways
> of communicating. This to avoid a backfire.
> 
> --
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Re: Slowness in farsi translation

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On Tue, 2008-07-01 at 21:27 +0100, Simos Xenitellis wrote:
> O/H Tomas Kuliavas έγραψε:
> >>> If Sharif Linux is 100%
> >>> translated, it can't be explained by limited number of packages and
> >>> Linux
> >>> distribution differences unless Persian Gnome 2.10 translation was close
> >>> to 100% and it degraded to 74% in 2.14 due to lots of changes in
> >>> translations. I don't think that translation can lose 25% of strings in
> >>> just two major Gnome releases.
> >>>   
> >> I don't understand this line of reasoning at all. Please explain.
> >> Where did you get your numbers from? What do you think happened?
> >> 
> >
> > http://l10n.gnome.org/languages/fa UI stats
> >
> > Gnome 2.14 - 74%
> > Gnome 2.16 - 74%
> > Gnome 2.18 - 68%
> > Gnome 2.20 - 63%
> > Gnome 2.22 - 55%
> > Gnome 2.24-dev - 51%
> >
> > Sarif Linux is some customized redhat/fedora based distribution. It uses
> > Gnome 2.10. I don't have information about standard Gnome 2.10 UI Farsi
> > translation stats. Screenshots look fully translated.
> >   
> Tomas, it is important to include the lines such as "On , PersonA 
> wrote:".
> Reading above, I have to search through the e-mail to figure out who are 
> the two people you quote.
> 
> In order to get a distribution fully translated, you do not need to have 
> a 100% translation at the GNOME stats. GNOME includes packages that may 
> or may not be included in a distribution. I think it has already been 
> explained. Therefore, there should be no conspiracy with a 25% fall 
> between 2.10 to 2.14.
> 
> I think Christian captured the debate in his e-mail very well, and it 
> looks that this is where we stand.
> 
> Reading the most recent e-mail by Mohammad, I see that he is still 
> maintaining an aggressive stance.
> I would suggest that if he apologises, post the translations to Bugzilla 
> (like Zabeeh did), things might move on.
> I am skeptical that such a change of behaviour can occur, however I wish 
> I am proven wrong.
> 
> Andre, in an earlier e-mail reminded us of the GNOME Code of Conduct,
> http://live.gnome.org/CodeOfConduct
> 
> I copy a part of it:
> 
> * Be respectful and considerate:
>   o Disagreement is no excuse for poor behaviour or personal
> attacks. Remember that a community where people feel
> uncomfortable is not a productive one.
> 
> 
>   Applies to
> 
> *
> 
>   GNOME Bugzilla 
> 
> *
> 
>   GNOME mailing lists 
> 
>   o Individuals who signed at
> http://live.gnome.org/CodeOfConduct/Signatures
> 
> A step to the right direction would be to sign up on 
> http://live.gnome.org/CodeOfConduct/Signatures and show explicitly that 
> we abide by the GNOME Code of Conduct.
> 


My goal is to help to my language, If you think speaking softly can
help: I'll change my treatment.

To prove that, I'll sign http://live.gnome.org/CodeOfConduct/Signatures

How can I sign that?

I must login? Where I can signup?


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Re: Slowness in farsi translation

[Mohammad Foroughi]

Mr. Hesabi:

 Roozbeh Pournader has made a significant contribution to persian
translation, farsi fonts, and fribidi and many other projects.


 He was active till 2006, but I do not know why he become inactive
during 2006-2008:

http://tinyurl.com/4o2p5x

He just become re-active by my emails to the list.

But it seems that he is very monopolist, and do not let others to join
his team. He think that gnome is his father's inheritance, and he and
his guys are representation of All Iranians In The World!!!

I wanna know how many hands he have?

Can a person manage all these:

Developer on FriBiDi
  * Contributor on Fedora Project
  * Contributor on Pango
  * Contributor on GNOME i18n Project
  * Contributor on Translation Project
  * Contributor on GNOME
  * Contributor on GTK+
  * Contributor on Mozilla
  * Contributor on Evolution
  * Contributor on FarsiTeX
  * Lead Developer on Sharif Linux

http://www.advogato.org/person/roozbeh/

This causes that all things are blocked and in domination of a single
group.

It is better to take coordination from him and give it to an
organization in iran, and that organization decide he DESERVES
coordination?

Roozbeh says that I do not deserve attention,

I SAY that HE DO NOT DESERVE COORDINATION?

Witch one is true?

How you can decide?

Can gnome boys that are not Native persian Speakers decide?

No, iranians should deciude?

I propose, you (gnome founders and admins) make an email to an Iranian
institute that is responsible for translation (or similar things) and
aks them: "If roozbeh is a competent person?" Or make a connection to
sharif university and ask them about roozbeh.

I strongly insist that roozbeh and his team must change and the new team
coordination should be given to an institute instead of a single person.

this way, an arrogant person can not play with a nation's benefits.

Best Wishes,
Mohammad Foroughi.


On Thu, 2008-06-26 at 09:29 +0430, Alireza Hesabi wrote:
 <شما چی فکر کردید؟
> 
 <این روزبه پورنادر یه بچه ننر لوسه که با دانشگاه شریف هم کلی مشکل
 <داشته! این آدم  کلی پول از دانشگاه شریف گرفته و هیچ کار مفیدی هم
 <نکرده.
> 
> Roozbeh: You are just a nasty fascist. Your only prominence is that
> you was the first one who got coordination of fa.
> 
> It is about 2 years that you are inactive and there is no significant
> change in persian translation. But just know that some people are
> trying to contribute, you seem active!
> 
> You just fucked up persian translation.
> 
 <افرادی مثل تو و اون بهداد بی تربیت ترجمه فارسی را به نابودی کشانده
 <اند.
> 
> I know why you re-start your translation: You just wanna keep your
> domination on persian translation.
> 
> Please tell the list about your problems with Sharif University
> (sharif.edu) and problems you made.
> 
> Please tell the list about times where you blocked translation...
> 
> 2008/6/26 s.m ziaei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Dont speak in argot
> free software isnt your heritage
> you must change your treatment
> it is not proportional with free software idea
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 12:26 AM, Roozbeh Pournader
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 10:47 PM, Mohammad Foroughi
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>     > [...]
> >  So, Roozbeh, please let others help you...
> >
> > Best Regards,
> > Mohammad Foroughi
> 
> 
> Any person (including people who have not previously
> contributed to
> GNOME translations) is welcome to review Persian
> translations of
> GNOME, if he/she feels competent. I am not stopping
> anybody from
> reviewing translations. The bugs are there, and
> anybody can comment on
> them. (I always do a quick review myself before
> committing patches,
> which may become exhaustive if I think other people's
> reviews have not
> been thorough enough.)
> 
> We've been reviewing translations and fixing bugs in
> Persian
> translations in the meanwhile too. A few patches from
> Hedayat
> Vatankhah, Shervin Afshar, Amir Hedayaty, Elnaz
> Sarbar, and Arash
> Mousavi have been reviewed and/or committed early this
> month, for
> example. Elnaz Sarbar and Behdad Esfahbod had helpe

Re: Slowness in farsi translation

[Mohammad Foroughi]

On Tue, 2008-06-24 at 04:54 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
> On Tue, 2008-06-24 at 10:17 +0430, Mohammad Foroughi wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > 
> >  It seems that the process of translating gnome into persian is slow. I
> > asked Behnam Esfahbod and he told me that there is only 2 active members
> > in the team: Mr. pournader commits translations and his wife reviews
> > them.
> > 
> >  http://bugzilla.gnome.org/buglist.cgi?product=l10n&component=Persian
> > [fa]&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED
> > 
> >  In the above link you can see the amount of work done but did not
> > reviewd or commited.
> > 
> >  Why mr. pournader do not allow others to review or commit? It will
> > speedup translation process.
> > 
> >  He can use experienced translators from HIS team, like Behdad Esfahbod,
> > Behnam Esfahbod and others.
> 
> I don't have time for this right now.
> 

You don't have time
Roozbeh don't have time
Elnaz don't have time

So, who should complete translations?

It seems that you are a kind of monopolist translator. Why you do not
let others help WHEN YOU  ARE BUSY???


> 
> >  And if they are busy too, he can use people like Mirdamadi and others
> > from ubuntu persian team (coordinated by behnam esfahbod), it seems that
> > they have free time and can work, also they are EXPERIENCED TRANSLATORS.
> 
> If they have free time and are EXPERIENCED TRANSLATORS, why don't they
> fully complete Ubuntu's Persian translation?  Then you get what you
> wanted, right?
> 
> Moreover, instead of SHOUTING, show us why you think they are
> EXPERIENCED TRANSLATORS.  I've been around the Free Software Persian
> computing scene for the past eight years and never heard of the person
> you mention..
> 
> 
> >  So, Roozbeh, please let others help you...
> 
> The way to help, as has been repeatedly pointed out to you, is to submit
> your translations and be patient.  This is how our code is written, and
> this should be how our translation is done.
> 
> Freedom does not mean anarchy.  Get over it.
> 
> 
> > Best Regards,
> > Mohammad Foroughi
> 

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Slowness in farsi translation

[Mohammad Foroughi]

Hi all,

 It seems that the process of translating gnome into persian is slow. I
asked Behnam Esfahbod and he told me that there is only 2 active members
in the team: Mr. pournader commits translations and his wife reviews
them.

 http://bugzilla.gnome.org/buglist.cgi?product=l10n&component=Persian
[fa]&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED

 In the above link you can see the amount of work done but did not
reviewd or commited.

 Why mr. pournader do not allow others to review or commit? It will
speedup translation process.

 He can use experienced translators from HIS team, like Behdad Esfahbod,
Behnam Esfahbod and others.

 And if they are busy too, he can use people like Mirdamadi and others
from ubuntu persian team (coordinated by behnam esfahbod), it seems that
they have free time and can work, also they are EXPERIENCED TRANSLATORS.

 So, Roozbeh, please let others help you...

Best Regards,
Mohammad Foroughi

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Re: Finding a string in translations

[Mohammad Foroughi]

روز پنجشنبه، 2008-05-22 ساعت 10:02 +0300، Ihar Hrachyshka نوشت:
> On Thu, 2008-05-22 at 11:27 +0430, Mohammad Foroughi wrote:
 < <روز پنجشنبه، 2008-05-22 ساعت 09:33 +0300، Tomas Kuliavas نوشت:
> > > >>sudo msgfmt ./gnome-app-install.po
> > > >>-o /usr/share/locale-langpack/fa/LC_MESSAGES/gnome-app-install.mo
> > > >
> > > > And Now my menu is Persian!
> > > >
> > > > Thank you very much.
> > > 
> > > Always add '-c' and '--check-accelerators=_' arguments to msgfmt when you
> > > compile Gnome translation files. These tests improve your translation work
> > > by checking translation for errors.
> > > 
> > 
> > Tanx for your concern,
> > 
> > I used this command:
> > 
> > >sudo msgfmt -c -v --check-accelerators=_ ./gnome-app-install.po
> > >-o /usr/share/locale-langpack/fa/LC_MESSAGES/gnome-app-install.mo
> > 
> > And this is the output:
> > 
> > >38 translated messages, 66 untranslated messages.
> > 
> > With no errors.
> > 
> > But when I start gnome-app-installer (from a console) I get this error
> > message:
> > 
> > > gnome-app-install
> > 
> > Traceback (most recent call last):
> >   File "/usr/bin/gnome-app-install", line 30, in 
> > main()
> >   File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/AppInstall/activation.py", line
> > 360, in main
> > parser = OptionParser()
> >   File "/usr/lib/python2.5/optparse.py", line 1199, in __init__
> > self.set_usage(usage)
> >   File "/usr/lib/python2.5/optparse.py", line 1274, in set_usage
> > self.usage = _("%prog [options]")
> >   File "/usr/lib/python2.5/gettext.py", line 581, in gettext
> > return dgettext(_current_domain, message)
> >   File "/usr/lib/python2.5/gettext.py", line 545, in dgettext
> > codeset=_localecodesets.get(domain))
> >   File "/usr/lib/python2.5/gettext.py", line 493, in translation
> > t = _translations.setdefault(key, class_(open(mofile, 'rb')))
> >   File "/usr/lib/python2.5/gettext.py", line 180, in __init__
> > self._parse(fp)
> >   File "/usr/lib/python2.5/gettext.py", line 314, in _parse
> > plural = v[1].split('plural=')[1]
> > IndexError: list index out of range
> > Error in sys.excepthook:
> > Traceback (most recent call last):
> >   File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/apport_python_hook.py", line
> > 78, in apport_excepthook
> > report_file = open(pr_filename, 'wt')
> > IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
> > '/var/crash/_usr_bin_gnome-app-install.1000.crash'
> > 
> > Original exception was:
> > Traceback (most recent call last):
> >   File "/usr/bin/gnome-app-install", line 30, in 
> > main()
> >   File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/AppInstall/activation.py", line
> > 360, in main
> > parser = OptionParser()
> >   File "/usr/lib/python2.5/optparse.py", line 1199, in __init__
> > self.set_usage(usage)
> >   File "/usr/lib/python2.5/optparse.py", line 1274, in set_usage
> > self.usage = _("%prog [options]")
> >   File "/usr/lib/python2.5/gettext.py", line 581, in gettext
> > return dgettext(_current_domain, message)
> >   File "/usr/lib/python2.5/gettext.py", line 545, in dgettext
> > codeset=_localecodesets.get(domain))
> >   File "/usr/lib/python2.5/gettext.py", line 493, in translation
> > t = _translations.setdefault(key, class_(open(mofile, 'rb')))
> >   File "/usr/lib/python2.5/gettext.py", line 180, in __init__
> > self._parse(fp)
> >   File "/usr/lib/python2.5/gettext.py", line 314, in _parse
> > plural = v[1].split('plural=')[1]
> > IndexError: list index out of range
> 
> Show us a gettext header for your translation and a generic 'plural'
> specification for your language. I think they are different, isn't it?
> 
> > 
> > Have any Idea?
> > 
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Tanx alot

I fixed it: there was a line like this:

>"Plural-Forms: "

In my header, I just deleted it and now everything is OK.

Tanx again.

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Re: Finding a string in translations

[Mohammad Foroughi]

روز پنجشنبه، 2008-05-22 ساعت 09:33 +0300، Tomas Kuliavas نوشت:
> >>sudo msgfmt ./gnome-app-install.po
> >>-o /usr/share/locale-langpack/fa/LC_MESSAGES/gnome-app-install.mo
> >
> > And Now my menu is Persian!
> >
> > Thank you very much.
> 
> Always add '-c' and '--check-accelerators=_' arguments to msgfmt when you
> compile Gnome translation files. These tests improve your translation work
> by checking translation for errors.
> 

Tanx for your concern,

I used this command:

>sudo msgfmt -c -v --check-accelerators=_ ./gnome-app-install.po
>-o /usr/share/locale-langpack/fa/LC_MESSAGES/gnome-app-install.mo

And this is the output:

>38 translated messages, 66 untranslated messages.

With no errors.

But when I start gnome-app-installer (from a console) I get this error
message:

> gnome-app-install

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/bin/gnome-app-install", line 30, in 
main()
  File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/AppInstall/activation.py", line
360, in main
parser = OptionParser()
  File "/usr/lib/python2.5/optparse.py", line 1199, in __init__
self.set_usage(usage)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.5/optparse.py", line 1274, in set_usage
self.usage = _("%prog [options]")
  File "/usr/lib/python2.5/gettext.py", line 581, in gettext
return dgettext(_current_domain, message)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.5/gettext.py", line 545, in dgettext
codeset=_localecodesets.get(domain))
  File "/usr/lib/python2.5/gettext.py", line 493, in translation
t = _translations.setdefault(key, class_(open(mofile, 'rb')))
  File "/usr/lib/python2.5/gettext.py", line 180, in __init__
self._parse(fp)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.5/gettext.py", line 314, in _parse
plural = v[1].split('plural=')[1]
IndexError: list index out of range
Error in sys.excepthook:
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/apport_python_hook.py", line
78, in apport_excepthook
report_file = open(pr_filename, 'wt')
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
'/var/crash/_usr_bin_gnome-app-install.1000.crash'

Original exception was:
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/bin/gnome-app-install", line 30, in 
main()
  File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/AppInstall/activation.py", line
360, in main
parser = OptionParser()
  File "/usr/lib/python2.5/optparse.py", line 1199, in __init__
self.set_usage(usage)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.5/optparse.py", line 1274, in set_usage
self.usage = _("%prog [options]")
  File "/usr/lib/python2.5/gettext.py", line 581, in gettext
return dgettext(_current_domain, message)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.5/gettext.py", line 545, in dgettext
codeset=_localecodesets.get(domain))
  File "/usr/lib/python2.5/gettext.py", line 493, in translation
t = _translations.setdefault(key, class_(open(mofile, 'rb')))
  File "/usr/lib/python2.5/gettext.py", line 180, in __init__
self._parse(fp)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.5/gettext.py", line 314, in _parse
plural = v[1].split('plural=')[1]
IndexError: list index out of range

Have any Idea?

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Re: Finding a string in translations

[Mohammad Foroughi]

روز پنجشنبه، 2008-05-22 ساعت 08:39 +0300، Tomas Kuliavas نوشت:
 <> روز چهارشنبه، 2008-05-21 ساعت 08:26 +0300، Tomas Kuliavas نوشت:
> >> > Hi,
> >> >
> >> >  Is there a fast way to find the location of an untranslated
> > message?
> >> >
> >> >  For example I wann translate "Add/Remove..." string, how I can find
> > out
> >> > its po file?
> >>
> >> Search for string in /usr/share/locale-langpack/. If you can't find
> > it,
> >> try installing locales that have more translations than Persian.
> >>
> >
> > I did a grep (with tanks to Vikram), this is the code:
> >
> >>[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ grep -r 'Add/Remove' /usr/share/locale-langpack/
> >>[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$
> >
> > But it didn't find a resilt!
> >
> >> It is in gnome-app-install.po/gnome-app-install.mo on Ubuntu 7.10.
> >>
> >
> > My Ubuntu is 8.04 and I have no such file in locale-langpack!
> 
> If you can't find it, install other language packs. According to ubuntu
> stats French and Spanish translations are the largest ones.
> 
> Other way to locate string is to find application launched by that menu
> entry. Right click on menu, copy it to Desktop and check properties of
> desktop entry. http://img216.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gnapbk4.jpg
> 
> >> You can find translation template at
> >> http://people.ubuntu.com/~mvo/bzr/gnome-app-install/gai--main/po/
> >>
> >
> > I checked the link, there is no fa.po (for Persian).
> >
> > Also there is no such file in:
> > http://l10n.gnome.org/languages/fa/gnome-2-22
> >
> > How can I make one? I must use pot file?
> 
> "Translation template" is pot file.
> 
> Take your largest translation and run 'msgmerge your.po
> gnome-app-install.pot -o gnome-app-install.po' or use tools provided by
> your gettext editor.
> 
> If you want to submit your gnome-app-install translation, you might have
> to contact Ubuntu Persian translators. I am not familiar with Ubuntu
> translation procedures, but I suspect that they will want you to use
> launchpad.
> 


Tanx,

It works, I downloaded the file: 
http://people.ubuntu.com/~mvo/bzr/gnome-app-install/gai--main/po/gnome-app-install.pot

Then used these commands:

>touch ./tmp.po
>msgmerge tmp.po gnome-app-install.pot -o gnome-app-install.po

Then Translated the 'Add/Remove...' String, and finally run this
command:

>sudo msgfmt ./gnome-app-install.po
>-o /usr/share/locale-langpack/fa/LC_MESSAGES/gnome-app-install.mo

And Now my menu is Persian!

Thank you very much.

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Re: A coordinator with very long response time

[Mohammad Foroughi]

روز شنبه، 2008-05-17 ساعت 10:55 +0430، Mohammad Foroughi نوشت:
> Dear friends,
> 
> I have started an effort to (possibly) make GNOME Persian translation better.
> I just wanna help, please understand this.
> 
> Mr. Poornader says that he has no computer to do gnome-related stuff.
> OK, What about other members of his team? He said that my translations
> must be reviewed, other members can not review?
> 
> Mr. Poornader, If there is a member that can review and commit .po files
> for me, please let me know him, if not please tel me when you can review my 
> files.
> 
> Best Regards,
> Mohammad Foroughi.
> 
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Dear Roozbeh,

 I am looking forward to hear your answer, specially the answer to this
part of my previous email:


> Mr. Poornader, If there is a member that can review and commit .po files
> for me, please let me know him, if not please tel me when you can review my 
> files.

With best regards,
Mohammad Foroughi

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Re: Finding a string in translations

[Mohammad Foroughi]

روز چهارشنبه، 2008-05-21 ساعت 08:26 +0300، Tomas Kuliavas نوشت:
> > Hi,
> >
> >  Is there a fast way to find the location of an untranslated
message?
> >
> >  For example I wann translate "Add/Remove..." string, how I can find
out
> > its po file?
> 
> Search for string in /usr/share/locale-langpack/. If you can't find
it,
> try installing locales that have more translations than Persian.
> 

I did a grep (with tanks to Vikram), this is the code:

>[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ grep -r 'Add/Remove' /usr/share/locale-langpack/
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ 

But it didn't find a resilt!

> It is in gnome-app-install.po/gnome-app-install.mo on Ubuntu 7.10.
> 

My Ubuntu is 8.04 and I have no such file in locale-langpack!

> You can find translation template at
> http://people.ubuntu.com/~mvo/bzr/gnome-app-install/gai--main/po/
> 

I checked the link, there is no fa.po (for Persian).

Also there is no such file in:
http://l10n.gnome.org/languages/fa/gnome-2-22

How can I make one? I must use pot file?

Regards,
MF


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Finding a string in translations

[Mohammad Foroughi]

Hi,

 Is there a fast way to find the location of an untranslated message?

 For example I wann translate "Add/Remove..." string, how I can find out
its po file?

Tanx
MF

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Re: A coordinator with very long response time

[Mohammad Foroughi]

Dear friends,

I have started an effort to (possibly) make GNOME Persian translation better.
I just wanna help, please understand this.

Mr. Poornader says that he has no computer to do gnome-related stuff.
OK, What about other members of his team? He said that my translations
must be reviewed, other members can not review?

Mr. Poornader, If there is a member that can review and commit .po files
for me, please let me know him, if not please tel me when you can review my 
files.

Best Regards,
Mohammad Foroughi.



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Re: A coordinator with very long response time

[Mohammad Foroughi]

On Fri, 2008-05-16 at 00:03 +0100, Simos Xenitellis wrote:
> This guy, Mohammad, is such a negative force that

We are civilized persons and civilized persons do not scurrile, they
provide reason.

> I would hate to have on my team.

Me, Mr. Poornader, Mr. Esfahbod, and all other iranians are related to
Persian translation. But I can not see any relation between Greek and
Persian teams. Also I am not interested in Greek translation, or joining
your translation team.

> I would refuse to accept translations, or worse, direct him 
> to KDE I18n.
> 
> Simos

With the best respects,
Mohammad Foroughi.


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A coordinator with very long response time

[Mohammad Foroughi]

Hi,

Here is a list of unconfirmed bugs:

http://bugzilla.gnome.org/buglist.cgi?product=l10n&component=Persian
[fa]&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED

For the purpose of clarity, I mention a list of submission times:

1. 2005-03-26 10:15 UTC
2. 2008-01-16 20:21 UTC
3. 2008-01-22 11:25 UTC
4. 2008-01-23 20:21 UTC
5. 2008-01-23 20:44 UTC
6. 2008-04-15 12:19 UTC
7. 2008-04-15 12:36 UTC (this is mine;)
8. 2008-04-26 02:59 UTC (this is mine;)
9. 2008-04-28 05:42 UTC
10. 2008-04-28 06:00 UTC
11. 2008-04-28 06:07 UTC
12. 2008-04-28 06:14 UTC
13. 2008-05-04 13:50 UTC (this is mine;)
14. 2008-05-04 13:52 UTC (this is mine;)

And now the date is: 2008-05-14 !!!

Mr. Poornader is very busy, why he didn't manage bugs?

He also asked other translators not to submit anything to svn for me,
here is the link of his message:

http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-i18n/2008-April/msg00122.html

He said:

>Before I forget, I would like to ask everyone NOT TO apply new Persian 
>translations or patches to the SVN without a review by another more
>experienced translator, please! GNOME doesn't do that for code, and it
>shouldn't do it for translations either.

So PLEASE tell me how can I contribute to gnome translation?

Hi didn't submit my translations (http://417.ir/po) and asked others not to 
submit

If he is busy, he SHOULD resign and you must select another coordinator.

Best Wishes,
Mohammad Foroughi.

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Re: problem with translating totem

[Mohammad Foroughi]

> One thing that you do not mention is what distribution you are using to 
> test your translations.
>  From the previous e-mails, you grabbed the PO files for what we call 
> HEAD (or trunk), which can be slightly different from, let's say, the 
> totem version you get in Ubuntu 8.04.
> For example, in totem in Ubuntu 8.04, the original message could be 
> something like "Skip _me: " but in the latest development version of 
> Totem, it could have changed to "Skip _me:" (notice the space 
> different). Thus, while a fully translated HEAD PO file is excellent for 
> the new version of Ubuntu, for the current version some messages may not 
> show up.

Ok,

 I wanna translate ubuntu 8.04

 Currently I am using HEAD, is this wrong? if yes, what version I must
use?

Regards,
Mohammad Foroughi

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Re: problem with translating totem

[Mohammad Foroughi]

> Hi
> 
> This is not your fault, the problem was in the source code and was fixed in 
> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=501485
> 
> Use totem 2.22, and you will see the messages translated.
> 
> Regards
> Gabor Kelemen
Ok

tax,

also there is a similar problem in preferences section, is it a bug too?

Regards,
Mohammad Foroughi

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Re: problem with translating totem

[Mohammad Foroughi]

> please fix this fatal error first, and try again.
> (or post both the msgstr/msgid from that line number here if the error
> is not clear.)

Ok, I fixed it:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ msgfmt -cv ./Desktop/po/totem.HEAD.fa.po 405 translated
messages, 19 fuzzy translations, 73 untranslated messages.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sudo msgfmt ./Desktop/po/totem.HEAD.fa.po
-o /usr/share/locale-langpack/fa/LC_MESSAGES/totem.mo 

But the problem still exist :(

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Re: problem with translating totem

[Mohammad Foroughi]

> Did you build the translation into a .mo file?
Yes I did, as I told you other strings are translated well, did you see
the picture?

>  Did the statistics of msgfmt -cv correspond to what you expect?
This is the output:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ msgfmt -cv ./Desktop/po/totem.HEAD.fa.po 
./Desktop/po/totem.HEAD.fa.po:969: number of format specifications in
'msgid' and 'msgstr' does not match
msgfmt: found 1 fatal error
405 translated messages, 19 fuzzy translations, 73 untranslated
messages.

> Did you install it over the existing one?
Yes I did, Also I restart totem.

> Are you running the version of the software that corresponds to the 
> translation file you are working with?
yes I do.


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Re: problem with translating totem

[Mohammad Foroughi]

Ok,

 I just translate eveything in totem, including the string '_Skip to...'

 But it did not show up in the UI:
 http://417.ir/img/totem-skipto-problem.jpg


I think it is clear, isn't?

روز یکشنبه، 2008-05-04 ساعت 10:44 +0200، Andre Klapper نوشت:
> Am Montag, den 05.05.2008, 12:58 +0430 schrieb Mohammad Foroughi:
> > It was a typo:
> > 
> >  It didn't work.
> 
> that's not the issue here.
> "my car does not work, please tell me how to fix it" without any further
> information won't help anybody.
> for the next time, please be exact and tell us *what* did not work,
> *which* expectations were not fulfilled, so to say.
> 
> andre

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Re: problem with translating totem

[Mohammad Foroughi]

It was a typo:

 It didn't work.


روز دوشنبه، 2008-05-05 ساعت 09:53 +0200، Andre Klapper نوشت:
> Am Montag, den 05.05.2008, 11:07 +0430 schrieb Mohammad Foroughi:
> > I downloaded the pot file and only change '_Skip to...' String, but id
> > didn't work!!
> 
> "id didn't work" is probably the vaguest thing you can write. ;-)
> did you read
> http://live.gnome.org/TranslationProject/LocalisationGuide ?
> 
> andre

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Re: problem with translating totem

[Mohammad Foroughi]

I downloaded the pot file and only change '_Skip to...' String, but id
didn't work!!

please help



روز دوشنبه، 2008-05-05 ساعت 09:12 +0430، Mohammad Foroughi نوشت:
> Hi,
> 
>  I translated totem to persian (to tell you the truth, I completed it's
> translation), but I am unable to translate a string: '_Skip to...'
> 
>  Here is a picture of it's ui:http://417.ir/img/totem-skipto-problem.jpg
> 
>  In the file nautilus.HEAD.fa.po, I found an entry:
> 
> >#: ../src/plugins/skipto/totem-skipto-plugin.c:216
> >msgid "_Skip to..."
> >msgstr "_پرش به..."
> 
> But it seems to be incorrect!
> 
> There was a similar problem with 'Play / Pa_use' string. I downloaded
> totem source code and saw that line number was incorrect, correcting
> that solved the problem.
> 
> But with totem, correctign line number did not solve my problem.
> 
> is the line '#: ../src/plugins/skipto/totem-skipto-plugin.c:216'
> important?
> 
> Please help,
> MF
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problem with translating totem

[Mohammad Foroughi]

Hi,

 I translated totem to persian (to tell you the truth, I completed it's
translation), but I am unable to translate a string: '_Skip to...'

 Here is a picture of it's ui:http://417.ir/img/totem-skipto-problem.jpg

 In the file nautilus.HEAD.fa.po, I found an entry:

>#: ../src/plugins/skipto/totem-skipto-plugin.c:216
>msgid "_Skip to..."
>msgstr "_پرش به..."

But it seems to be incorrect!

There was a similar problem with 'Play / Pa_use' string. I downloaded
totem source code and saw that line number was incorrect, correcting
that solved the problem.

But with totem, correctign line number did not solve my problem.

is the line '#: ../src/plugins/skipto/totem-skipto-plugin.c:216'
important?

Please help,
MF

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original (clean) po files

[Mohammad Foroughi]

Hi,

 Where I can download original po files? I wanna have clean po files...

 Imagine I wanna start a new language translation or wann start a
currently translated one from scratch!

 Please do not tell me why! I just wanna have clean po files...

tanx
MF

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Old msgid and msgstr

[Mohammad Foroughi]

Hi,

 In most po files there are lots of 'msgid's that no longer used. Is
there a way to cleanup these po files?

Tanx
MF

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Re: new mailing list

[Mohammad Foroughi]

Hi,

 How can I subscribe?

tamx,
MF

On Sat, 2008-04-19 at 16:30 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
> On Sat, 2008-04-19 at 20:46 +0430, Mostafa Daneshvar wrote:
> > Hi 
> > I think Farsi team needs a separate mailing list. Hereby I ask guys to 
> > setup a 
> > new mailing list for discusion in Persian matters.
> 
> Fully agreed.  There has been serious issues with using lists not hosted
> on GNOME facilities before.  Lets just use the unused
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]   I will personally administer the list and
> ensure its health.  I will update the list info page on Monday to
> reflect this new use.  All people interested should go ahead and
> subscribe now.  
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Re: Recent discussion about Persian team

[Mohammad Foroughi]

Hi roozbeh,

 I just started translating gnome-panel.

 I translated it's first 1600 lines, but before completing it, wann know
your idea.

 Please chek it for me and tell me:

  Is it acceptable for you?
  Should I continue?
  Do you submit it to SVN for me?

 Here is its link: http://417.ir/gnome-panel.HEAD.fa.po

 Also There is a little question:

 The page
at: 
http://live.gnome.org/TranslationProject/LocalisationGuide#head-74c781537477caa1e5d82f2725a6104b16f1a144
 says that we should not translate frases like \"red\" in the text:

>
>When translating key descriptions, be careful with sample key values,
>which will be enclosed in double quotes. They should not be translated.
>For example: 
>
>#: src/gnome-terminal.schemas.in.h:70 
>msgid "" 
>"Default color of terminal background, as a color specification (can be
>HTML-" 
>"style hex digits, or a color name such as \"red\")." 
>msgstr "" 
>"Rhagosodiad lliw cefndir y terfynell, fel penodid lliw (gall fod mewn
>hecs-" 
>"ddigidau fel yn HTML neu fel enw lliw megis \"red\")." 

>In the example, “red” is a sample key value, and must be copied
>verbatim into the translation. Note that because the double quote
>character is significant in .po files, it is escaped with the
>backslash.
>

But I saw you where translating it, do you have any special purpose or
it is just a mistake?

I must translate these kind of messages?

tanx
MF

On Tue, 2008-04-15 at 21:46 -0700, Roozbeh Pournader wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 9:25 PM, Mohammad Foroughi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I was your Sharif Linux's Screenshots. It is REALLY excellent
> 
> Thanks. But you haven't seen the manual and the packaging. They are even 
> better!
> 
> > mozilla nad
> > totem and all other thigs are completely translated. My question is: how
> > can I have a translated mozilla (or totem or other things) in my ubuntu,
> > or debian?
> 
> Please ask Ubuntu or Debian people for that. I don't follow their processes.
> 
> > Did you submit your mozilla tramslation of Mozilla
> > Foundation? If yes, how can I change my firefox's UI language?
> 
> Yes. Probably Behnam Esfahbod who worked on it for FarsiWeb can tell
> you more about it. His email address is "[EMAIL PROTECTED]".
> 
> >  I think there is no need for it, but personally I love your Linux, it is
> >  really beautiful. To tell you the truth, I wanna make ubuntu and debian
> >  look like Sharif Linux? Is it possible?
> 
> With thousands of hours of effort, why not? ;-)
> 
> FarsiWeb had an excellent and very dedicated team of engineers,
> translators, managers, and consultants for Sharif Linux 2, and it took
> us quite a lot of time and money. But lots of that work is already
> upstream, so you can save some time. Persian i18n and L10n is not an
> easy task to do, but the result is worth it.
> 
> >  P.S. Just to satisfy my curious soal: Do you plan to distribute a new
> >  ver. of Sharif Linux?
> 
> Please ask FarsiWeb directly. I am not an employee anymore.
> 
> Good luck,
> Roozbeh Pournader

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Re: How to submit translation in Bugzilla?

[Mohammad Foroughi]

this might be useful:

http://live.gnome.org/TranslationProject/LocalisationGuide#po

On Tue, 2008-04-15 at 19:37 +0430, Mostafa Daneshvar wrote:
> I have a question about procedure of submitting translation in Bugzilla? 
> Should We paste content of a PO file in Description: field?
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Re: Recent discussion about Persian team

[Mohammad Foroughi]

Dear roozbeh,

> The glossary is in the CVS. Check the module named "gnome-i18n". It's
>in the directory named "glossary".

I'll get it and start my work ASAP.

>All the GNOME-related PO files of Sharif Linux 2 have *already* been
>checked in to the GNOME subversion. I have done that personally, so
>there is no need to post all of them to SVN.

If so, you are true. But there is just a little question of mine: I was
your Sharif Linux's Screenshots. It is REALLY excellent, mozilla nad
totem and all other thigs are completely translated. My question is: how
can I have a translated mozilla (or totem or other things) in my ubuntu,
or debian? Did you submit your mozilla tramslation of Mozilla
Foundation? If yes, how can I change my firefox's UI language?

>Still, if you are interested in the Sharif Linux 2 source code (which
>has the exact POs used in Sharif Linux 2 for it's GNOME 2.10), you can
>get it from FarsiWeb. It is explained here:

I think there is no need for it, but personally I love your Linux, it is
really beautiful. To tell you the truth, I wanna make ubuntu and debian
look like Sharif Linux? Is it possible?

P.S. Just to satisfy my curious soal: Do you plan to distribute a new
ver. of Sharif Linux?


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Re: Recent discussion about Persian team

[Mohammad Foroughi]

Hi

Actually I need your po files and you glossary to be able to contribute
efficiently. I start using pugzila but it seems that there are too many
bugs in gnome and posting a bug for every of them seems not to be
reasonable. 

Instead I want to have all current po files+glossary. May I have them?

To tell you the truth, I'll say "you are completely true" ONLY WHEN I
get all po files of Sharif Linux, abd be able to post all of them to SVN
(myself of through a team member).

I belive that your did valuable contributions in past.

Best Wishes
MF

P.S. Roozbeh, you can talk to me directly at yahoo messenger:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


On Tue, 2008-04-15 at 20:18 -0700, Roozbeh Pournader wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 8:09 PM, Mohammad Foroughi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >   It seems that you are somewhat, true.
> 
> Please! "somewhat"? Please point me to the parts that were not completely 
> true!
> 
> > Which of you will review and submit my translation to SVN?
> 
> If you translated or fixed something, you can file a new bug in the
> GNOME bugzilla about it, and assign to me ([EMAIL PROTECTED]).
> Please open different bugs for different issues. I will either review
> the translations myself or find someone else to review.
> 
> Roozbeh Pournader

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Re: Recent discussion about Persian team

[Mohammad Foroughi]

oK,

 It seems that you are somewhat, true. I asked mr. melk to send me your
persian glossary, so I can translate more efficiently. May one of you
(persian team members) send me it?

 Which of you will review and submit my translation to SVN?

MF


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Re: [+gnome] Re: start a new translation team

[Mohammad Foroughi]

There is another alternative: may I have a svn account?

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[Fwd: Re: [+gnome] Re: start a new translation team]

[Mohammad Foroughi]

--- Begin Message ---
Do u accept that since 2 years ago there is no new work?
Do u accept the difference between gnome and Farsiweb's linux?

As I told you before, we can assume that there is no bad intention, by
the way, we can not decline 2 years of suspension.

I want to reactiveate the team! EVEN THE CURRENT TEAM! In fact my goal
is to resume translation process by any means:

Starting a parallel work
or
Stopping the original team and starting an active one
or
Motivating current team members!

I personally do not matter, it is at you to decive.

regards,
MF

On Mon, 2008-04-14 at 16:20 +0200, Wouter Bolsterlee wrote:
> 2008-04-14 klockan 16:17 skrev Mohammad Foroughi:
> > Ok, we assume that they have no evil intention, I want to start a new
> > team and translate to persian. Is it possible? 
> > 
> > Even they can have their old team as long as they want, but I wanna a
> > team (an active one) be started. Is it possible?
> 
> There is no point in having two translation efforts for the same project. If
> the upstream language team coordinator for Persian is inactive you may step
> up as a new language team coordinator (see the guidelines). But then, your
> effort should be to get the Farsiweb translations upstream instead of
> duplicating already-done work.
> 
>   mvrgr, Wouter
> 
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Re: start a new translation team

[Mohammad Foroughi]

Ok, we assume that they have no evil intention, I want to start a new
team and translate to persian. Is it possible? 

Even they can have their old team as long as they want, but I wanna a
team (an active one) be started. Is it possible?

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Re: start a new translation team

[Mohammad Foroughi]

Di o you saw the links? 

Dear Wouter, please take a look at these and tell me your idea:

http://www.farsiweb.ir/wiki/Image:Application_Menu.png
http://417.ir/ubuntu-8.04.jpg

You, as a non persian, please tell me why ubuntu is so poor in
translation while Sharif Linux is so reach?

On Mon, 2008-04-14 at 15:52 +0200, Wouter Bolsterlee wrote:
>  From: 
> Wouter Bolsterlee  [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>    To: 
> Mohammad Foroughi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Cc: 
> gnome-i18n@gnome.org
>   Subject: 
> Re: start a new translation team
>  Date: 
> Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:52:14 +0200
> (18:22 IRDT)
> 
> 
> 2008-04-13 klockan 14:36 skrev Mohammad Foroughi:
> >  I want to start a new translation team for Persian language. You me
> say
> > that there is already a team for persian, yes I know thatm bust it
> is
> > about 2 years that the old team did not act any usefull action. If
> you
> > take a look at their web site
> (http://www.farsiweb.ir/wiki/Main_Page),
> > just at the very buttom of the page, you can see that it's last
> update
> > is: October 2006!
> 
> Farsiweb explicitly states that is willing to cooperate with upstream
> Gnome:
> 
>   http://www.farsiweb.ir/wiki/Free_Products#GNOME_Persian_Support
> 
> There is even a separate page with more information (though a bit
> outdated):
> 
>   http://www.farsiweb.ir/wiki/GNOME
> 
> Furthermore, your claim that the project has become idle by noticing
> that
> the website has not been updated for a long time only takes the main
> page
> into account. The page at
> 
> 
> http://www.farsiweb.ir/mediawiki/index.php?title=Special:Recentchanges&limit=500&days=365
> 
> indicates that there has been lots of activity after the date you
> mentioned.
> I'd suggest getting yourself a copy of the sources and making sure the
> translations in the Farsiweb distribution are committed to upstream
> SVN as
> well (if the license permits doing so, which I sincerely hope).
> 
>   mvrgr, Wouter
> 
> -- 
> :wq   mail
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   web
> http://uwstopia.nl
> 
> who's gonna take it like this? :: no way :: you are, you are--
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> 
> 
> Signature exists, but need public
> key
> 
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Re: start a new translation team

[Mohammad Foroughi]

Hi,

 I wanna know why they did not submit their translation to gtp svn?

 roozbeh, please answer.

regards,
mf

On Mon, 2008-04-14 at 09:16 +0200, Claude Paroz wrote:
> Le lundi 14 avril 2008 à 08:32 +0430, Mohammad Foroughi a écrit :
> > Hi,
> > 
> >  You can see Sharif Linux's persian translation here:
> > http://www.farsiweb.ir/wiki/Image:Application_Menu.png
> > 
> >  And there is current translation of ubuntu 8.04 here:
> > http://417.ir/ubuntu-8.04.jpg
> > 
> >  Did you noticed the difference? Even non iranian readers can see the
> > difference! Their is lots of english labels in the ubuntu 8.04
> > translation.
> > 
> >  Why their translation in their *commercial* linux is completely
> > different from ubuntu? I know the answer: because they do not distribute
> > their translation to your svn!
> > 
> >  I just want to start a NEW TEAM, and do my contribution to persian
> > translation. 
> > 
> >  They did not update their translation from 2 years ago, even if they
> > decide to start working after 2 years they can. I just want to start a
> > new team (not to stop their team!).
> > 
> >  Please ask Mr. Poornader: why their linux's translation is completely
> > different from ubuntu's translation>
> 
> OK, the accusation is now clear. So please, Roozbeh, we'd be interested
> to know your defence :-)
> 
> It seems effectively that Farsi translations have not been active during
> the last two years. Are you still interested to contribute? Or should we
> transfer the leadership to more motivated translators?
> 
> Meanwhile, Mohammad, you can already begin to translate, and join your
> po files to bug reports (l10n product, Farsi component).
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Claude
> 
> 
> > On Sun, 2008-04-13 at 18:52 +0100, Simos Xenitellis wrote:
> > > Mostafa Daneshvar wrote:
> > > > On Yek-shanbe 25 Farvardin 1387 17:59:14 Andre Klapper wrote:
> > > >   
> > > >> hi mohammad,
> > > >>
> > > >> Am Sonntag, den 13.04.2008, 17:06 +0430 schrieb Mohammad Foroughi:
> > > >> 
> > > >>>  I want to start a new translation team for Persian language. You me 
> > > >>> say
> > > >>> that there is already a team for persian, yes I know thatm bust it is
> > > >>> about 2 years that the old team did not act any usefull action. If you
> > > >>> take a look at their web site (http://www.farsiweb.ir/wiki/Main_Page),
> > > >>> just at the very buttom of the page, you can see that it's last update
> > > >>> is: October 2006!
> > > >>>   
> > > >> did you contact the iranian team leader already by email (see
> > > >> http://l10n.gnome.org/languages/fa/ )?
> > > >> the gnome translation project prefers such problems to be discussed and
> > > >> solved within the language teams themselves if possible, but of course
> > > >> that's not possible if you don't receive an answer from them... :-)
> > > >>
> > > >> andre
> > > >> 
> > > >
> > > > Dear Mohammad,
> > > > If you've made some Persian translation, you can ask other members to 
> > > > commit 
> > > > them for you. 
> > > >   
> > > What Andre wrote is the correct way to go forward. Contact the current 
> > > maintainer for the language, and ask your questions. To assume what the 
> > > answer will be and what not, is plain silly.
> > > 
> > > Simos
> 
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Re: start a new translation team

[Mohammad Foroughi]

Hi,

 You can see Sharif Linux's persian translation here:
http://www.farsiweb.ir/wiki/Image:Application_Menu.png

 And there is current translation of ubuntu 8.04 here:
http://417.ir/ubuntu-8.04.jpg

 Did you noticed the difference? Even non iranian readers can see the
difference! Their is lots of english labels in the ubuntu 8.04
translation.

 Why their translation in their *commercial* linux is completely
different from ubuntu? I know the answer: because they do not distribute
their translation to your svn!

 I just want to start a NEW TEAM, and do my contribution to persian
translation. 

 They did not update their translation from 2 years ago, even if they
decide to start working after 2 years they can. I just want to start a
new team (not to stop their team!).

 Please ask Mr. Poornader: why their linux's translation is completely
different from ubuntu's translation>

Dear mr. daneshvar: please see this persian forum link:
http://www.technotux.org/html/PNphpBB2-viewtopic-t-15416-postdays-0-postorder-asc-start-0.html


Cheers,
MF

On Sun, 2008-04-13 at 18:52 +0100, Simos Xenitellis wrote:
> Mostafa Daneshvar wrote:
> > On Yek-shanbe 25 Farvardin 1387 17:59:14 Andre Klapper wrote:
> >   
> >> hi mohammad,
> >>
> >> Am Sonntag, den 13.04.2008, 17:06 +0430 schrieb Mohammad Foroughi:
> >> 
> >>>  I want to start a new translation team for Persian language. You me say
> >>> that there is already a team for persian, yes I know thatm bust it is
> >>> about 2 years that the old team did not act any usefull action. If you
> >>> take a look at their web site (http://www.farsiweb.ir/wiki/Main_Page),
> >>> just at the very buttom of the page, you can see that it's last update
> >>> is: October 2006!
> >>>   
> >> did you contact the iranian team leader already by email (see
> >> http://l10n.gnome.org/languages/fa/ )?
> >> the gnome translation project prefers such problems to be discussed and
> >> solved within the language teams themselves if possible, but of course
> >> that's not possible if you don't receive an answer from them... :-)
> >>
> >> andre
> >> 
> >
> > Dear Mohammad,
> > If you've made some Persian translation, you can ask other members to 
> > commit 
> > them for you. 
> >   
> What Andre wrote is the correct way to go forward. Contact the current 
> maintainer for the language, and ask your questions. To assume what the 
> answer will be and what not, is plain silly.
> 
> Simos
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start a new translation team

[Mohammad Foroughi]

Dear sir,

 I want to start a new translation team for Persian language. You me say
that there is already a team for persian, yes I know thatm bust it is
about 2 years that the old team did not act any usefull action. If you
take a look at their web site (http://www.farsiweb.ir/wiki/Main_Page),
just at the very buttom of the page, you can see that it's last update
is: October 2006!

 Another problem is that they do not distribute their translation to the
gnome community: if you take a look at their distribution (Sharif Linux)
screenshots (http://www.farsiweb.ir/wiki/Screenshots), you can see that
their translation is really complete! And all the environment is
translated into persian! But if you look at gnome's persian translation
or install a distribution like ubuntu or debian or fedora and see it's
persian environment, you will see a very poor translation! Do you know
what? because their linux distribution is not completely free! And they
do not spread their works completely.

 So, PLEASE let me help the gnome persian translation.

Best regards,
Mohammad Foroughi.

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