Re: Team report at GUADEC

[Petr Kovar]

On Mon, 10 Jul 2017 22:27:45 +0200
Alexandre Franke  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> GUADEC is coming soon and like last year I’ll present a report for our
> team. Let me know of any highligh and interesting development you can
> think of for the past year, so that we can share them with the rest of
> the community!

I'd probably mention https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=783099 to
poke a few module maintainers around in the audience.

Thanks,
pk
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Team report at GUADEC

[Alexandre Franke]

Hi,

GUADEC is coming soon and like last year I’ll present a report for our
team. Let me know of any highligh and interesting development you can
think of for the past year, so that we can share them with the rest of
the community!

Cheers,

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Re: Team report at GUADEC

[Alexandre Franke]

On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 7:18 PM, Chris Leonard  wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 4:45 PM, Alexandre Franke  wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> GUADEC is coming soon and as usual we'll have the team reports there.
>> Is anyone volunteering to present? If nobody else wants to do it, I'll
>> do it. In any case, let me know of any highligh and interesting
>> development you can think of for the past year, so that we can share
>> them with the rest of the community!
>
> I would note that vapier has been doing yeoman's work in the
> localedata domain.  Looking at the ChangeLog there may bring a few
> newsy tidbits to mind (e.g. new languages, progress towards content
> compatibility between glibc locales and CLDR locales, etc.)

The team report happened on the 13th, so your email arrived too late.

You can watch it at
https://media.ccc.de/v/100-gnome_foundation_annual_general_meeting__reports

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Re: Team report at GUADEC

[Chris Leonard]

On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 4:45 PM, Alexandre Franke  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> GUADEC is coming soon and as usual we'll have the team reports there.
> Is anyone volunteering to present? If nobody else wants to do it, I'll
> do it. In any case, let me know of any highligh and interesting
> development you can think of for the past year, so that we can share
> them with the rest of the community!

I would note that vapier has been doing yeoman's work in the
localedata domain.  Looking at the ChangeLog there may bring a few
newsy tidbits to mind (e.g. new languages, progress towards content
compatibility between glibc locales and CLDR locales, etc.)

cjl
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Re: Team report at GUADEC

[Piotr Drąg]

2016-08-10 19:35 GMT+02:00 Dimitris Glezos :
> For what it's worth, the Transifex team would be happy to host and support
> GNOME's localization projects.
>

Thank you, your continuing support for free software projects is appreciated.

However, as Transifex is a proprietary service and GNOME is
self-hosted, we cannot use it as our localization platform.

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Re: Team report at GUADEC

[Piotr Drąg]

2016-08-10 18:50 GMT+02:00 Rafael Fontenelle :
> How about a online string search in GNOME localization? I often have to
> update my local collection of GNOME Git repository of of translate-able
> modules in order to run my personal grep-based script to look for what term
> my team is using for a give term, and in what context. Such online string
> search feature, filtering by a team and/or branch, could be used eliminate
> problem of diverging translations for languages. If possible, generate a
> Translation Memory as well.
>
> I'm not a developer, just sharing with the community one idea that came to
> my mind.
>

Transvision is a fantastic project from Mozilla that does exactly what
you describe. It would be very useful for GNOME translators if ported
to gettext and our infrastructure. It would require an interested
developer first, of course, so it's just a thought at this point.

https://transvision.mozfr.org/

https://github.com/mozfr/transvision

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Re: Team report at GUADEC

[Piotr Drąg]

2016-08-10 18:58 GMT+02:00 Alexandre Franke :
> This conversation is getting on a tangent, so let me remind you all of
> the initial request: we are doing a *report* of what happened during
> the past year, so please let us know of any relevant event (apart from
> the obvious "we translated gnome 3.18 and 3.20").
>

The recent effort to ditch intltool comes to mind [1][2], led by
Javier Jardón [3], and made possible in the first place by the great
work of Daiki Ueno on the gettext side [4] and Claude Paroz in
damned-lies [5].

[1] https://blogs.gnome.org/mclasen/2016/07/21/using-modern-gettext/

[2] https://blogs.gnome.org/mcatanzaro/2016/07/27/on-the-killing-of-intltool/

[3] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=763587

[4] http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/gettext.git/tree/NEWS

[5] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=755466

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Re: Team report at GUADEC

[Dimitris Glezos]

For what it's worth, the Transifex team would be happy to host and support
GNOME's localization projects.

-d

On Aug 10, 2016 10:02 AM, "Fòram na Gàidhlig" 
wrote:

Sgrìobh Rafael Fontenelle na leanas 10/08/2016 aig 18:50:
>
> 2016-08-06 17:45 GMT-03:00 Alexandre Franke  >:
>
> Hi,
>
> GUADEC is coming soon and as usual we'll have the team reports there.
> Is anyone volunteering to present? If nobody else wants to do it, I'll
> do it. In any case, let me know of any highligh and interesting
> development you can think of for the past year, so that we can share
> them with the rest of the community!
>
>
> How about a online string search in GNOME localization? I often have to
> update my local collection of GNOME Git repository of of translate-able
> modules in order to run my personal grep-based script to look for what
> term my team is using for a give term, and in what context. Such online
> string search feature, filtering by a team and/or branch, could be used
> eliminate problem of diverging translations for languages. If possible,
> generate a Translation Memory as well.
>
> I'm not a developer, just sharing with the community one idea that came
> to my mind.

Yes, these are good ideas. A glossary function comes to mind as well.

The functions you are describing do remind me of what Pootle can do

http://pootle.translatehouse.org/

I also work with Transifex a lot, but running our own Pottle server
would give us more control, since it's a GPL'ed project.
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Re: Team report at GUADEC

[Fòram na Gàidhlig]

Sgrìobh Rafael Fontenelle na leanas 10/08/2016 aig 18:50:
> 
> 2016-08-06 17:45 GMT-03:00 Alexandre Franke  >:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> GUADEC is coming soon and as usual we'll have the team reports there.
> Is anyone volunteering to present? If nobody else wants to do it, I'll
> do it. In any case, let me know of any highligh and interesting
> development you can think of for the past year, so that we can share
> them with the rest of the community!
> 
> 
> How about a online string search in GNOME localization? I often have to
> update my local collection of GNOME Git repository of of translate-able
> modules in order to run my personal grep-based script to look for what
> term my team is using for a give term, and in what context. Such online
> string search feature, filtering by a team and/or branch, could be used
> eliminate problem of diverging translations for languages. If possible,
> generate a Translation Memory as well.
> 
> I'm not a developer, just sharing with the community one idea that came
> to my mind.

Yes, these are good ideas. A glossary function comes to mind as well.

The functions you are describing do remind me of what Pootle can do

http://pootle.translatehouse.org/

I also work with Transifex a lot, but running our own Pottle server
would give us more control, since it's a GPL'ed project.
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Re: Team report at GUADEC

[Alexandre Franke]

This conversation is getting on a tangent, so let me remind you all of
the initial request: we are doing a *report* of what happened during
the past year, so please let us know of any relevant event (apart from
the obvious "we translated gnome 3.18 and 3.20").

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Re: Team report at GUADEC

[Rafael Fontenelle]

2016-08-06 17:45 GMT-03:00 Alexandre Franke :

> Hi,
>
> GUADEC is coming soon and as usual we'll have the team reports there.
> Is anyone volunteering to present? If nobody else wants to do it, I'll
> do it. In any case, let me know of any highligh and interesting
> development you can think of for the past year, so that we can share
> them with the rest of the community!
>

How about a online string search in GNOME localization? I often have to
update my local collection of GNOME Git repository of of translate-able
modules in order to run my personal grep-based script to look for what term
my team is using for a give term, and in what context. Such online string
search feature, filtering by a team and/or branch, could be used eliminate
problem of diverging translations for languages. If possible, generate a
Translation Memory as well.

I'm not a developer, just sharing with the community one idea that came to
my mind.

Best regards,
Rafael Fontenelle
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Re: Team report at GUADEC

[Daniel Mustieles García]

Nobody said create a new tool, and don't think Lokalize is a good example
in this context ;-)

Gtranslator is the "official" translation tool for GNOME, but maintainer
has dissappeared... just fixing some bugs and maybe adding some new
features would be enough to have a completely usable tool.

We just need people interested in hacking on this tool... could you help us?

2016-08-10 15:26 GMT+02:00 Fòram na Gàidhlig :

>
>
> Sgrìobh Daniel Mustieles García na leanas 08/08/2016 aig 14:33:
> >
> >
> > 2016-08-08 14:19 GMT+02:00 Petr Kovar  > >:
> >
> > On Mon, 8 Aug 2016 12:15:16 +0200
> > Daniel Mustieles García  > > wrote:
> >
> > > We could put on the board (again...) the need of a translation
> tool. Yes,
> > > it's me again talking about the same topic, but note we still
> don't have
> > > it...
> >
> > By translation tool you mean an offline PO editor like gtranslator?
> >
> >
> > Yes :) We need a tool to translate PO files, able to handle translation
> > memories and spell checking at least
>
> Why would we need to reinvent the wheel and create a brand new offline
> translation tool? Programmers' time would be better spent in
> contributing to the freely available tools that we already have:
>
> http://virtaal.translatehouse.org/
> https://poedit.net/
> https://www.kde.org/applications/development/lokalize/
>
> Poedit is freemium, but the other two tools are libre.
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Re: Team report at GUADEC

[Fòram na Gàidhlig]

Sgrìobh Daniel Mustieles García na leanas 08/08/2016 aig 14:33:
> 
> 
> 2016-08-08 14:19 GMT+02:00 Petr Kovar  >:
> 
> On Mon, 8 Aug 2016 12:15:16 +0200
> Daniel Mustieles García  > wrote:
> 
> > We could put on the board (again...) the need of a translation tool. 
> Yes,
> > it's me again talking about the same topic, but note we still don't have
> > it...
> 
> By translation tool you mean an offline PO editor like gtranslator?
> 
>  
> Yes :) We need a tool to translate PO files, able to handle translation
> memories and spell checking at least

Why would we need to reinvent the wheel and create a brand new offline
translation tool? Programmers' time would be better spent in
contributing to the freely available tools that we already have:

http://virtaal.translatehouse.org/
https://poedit.net/
https://www.kde.org/applications/development/lokalize/

Poedit is freemium, but the other two tools are libre.

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Re: Team report at GUADEC

[Daniel Mustieles García]

2016-08-08 14:19 GMT+02:00 Petr Kovar :

> On Mon, 8 Aug 2016 12:15:16 +0200
> Daniel Mustieles García  wrote:
>
> > We could put on the board (again...) the need of a translation tool. Yes,
> > it's me again talking about the same topic, but note we still don't have
> > it...
>
> By translation tool you mean an offline PO editor like gtranslator?
>

Yes :) We need a tool to translate PO files, able to handle translation
memories and spell checking at least

>
> Btw, there will be a localization talk on Friday. Might be a good idea to
> bring this up during the Q segment (if there will be any).
>
> > Also, this year a translation task has been accepted in Outreachy, and my
> > mentee is doing a great job with the Spanish Translation. Since it's not
> > usual to accept this kind of tasks in Outreachy, maybe would be
> interesting
> > a quick comment about it.
>
> Sounds great. Thanks for sharing this.
>
> Cheers,
> pk
>
>
> > Cheers!
> >
> > 2016-08-08 9:57 GMT+02:00 Claude Paroz :
> >
> > > Le 06. 08. 16 à 22:45, Alexandre Franke a écrit :
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > GUADEC is coming soon and as usual we'll have the team reports there.
> > > > Is anyone volunteering to present? If nobody else wants to do it,
> I'll
> > > > do it. In any case, let me know of any highligh and interesting
> > > > development you can think of for the past year, so that we can share
> > > > them with the rest of the community!
> > >
> > > For anyone taking the task, maybe find a way to write something about
> > > the fact we are eagerly waiting on
> > > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=761992 ? (the server might
> > > also need a system update (still on 12.04)).
> > >
> > > Claude
> > > --
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Re: Team report at GUADEC

[Petr Kovar]

On Mon, 8 Aug 2016 12:15:16 +0200
Daniel Mustieles García  wrote:

> We could put on the board (again...) the need of a translation tool. Yes,
> it's me again talking about the same topic, but note we still don't have
> it...

By translation tool you mean an offline PO editor like gtranslator?

Btw, there will be a localization talk on Friday. Might be a good idea to
bring this up during the Q segment (if there will be any).

> Also, this year a translation task has been accepted in Outreachy, and my
> mentee is doing a great job with the Spanish Translation. Since it's not
> usual to accept this kind of tasks in Outreachy, maybe would be interesting
> a quick comment about it.

Sounds great. Thanks for sharing this.

Cheers,
pk

 
> Cheers!
> 
> 2016-08-08 9:57 GMT+02:00 Claude Paroz :
> 
> > Le 06. 08. 16 à 22:45, Alexandre Franke a écrit :
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > GUADEC is coming soon and as usual we'll have the team reports there.
> > > Is anyone volunteering to present? If nobody else wants to do it, I'll
> > > do it. In any case, let me know of any highligh and interesting
> > > development you can think of for the past year, so that we can share
> > > them with the rest of the community!
> >
> > For anyone taking the task, maybe find a way to write something about
> > the fact we are eagerly waiting on
> > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=761992 ? (the server might
> > also need a system update (still on 12.04)).
> >
> > Claude
> > --
> > www.2xlibre.net
> > ___
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Re: Team report at GUADEC

[Petr Kovar]

On Mon, 8 Aug 2016 09:57:22 +0200
Claude Paroz  wrote:

> Le 06. 08. 16 à 22:45, Alexandre Franke a écrit :
> > Hi,
> > 
> > GUADEC is coming soon and as usual we'll have the team reports there.
> > Is anyone volunteering to present? If nobody else wants to do it, I'll
> > do it. In any case, let me know of any highligh and interesting
> > development you can think of for the past year, so that we can share
> > them with the rest of the community!
> 
> For anyone taking the task, maybe find a way to write something about
> the fact we are eagerly waiting on
> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=761992 ? (the server might
> also need a system update (still on 12.04)).

Okay, looks like we don't have a point of contact at Canonical for such
issues. I'll ask around at GUADEC and see if anyone can help. Shouldn't
take much time to resolve it, I guess.

pk
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Re: Team report at GUADEC

[Daniel Mustieles García]

We could put on the board (again...) the need of a translation tool. Yes,
it's me again talking about the same topic, but note we still don't have
it...

Also, this year a translation task has been accepted in Outreachy, and my
mentee is doing a great job with the Spanish Translation. Since it's not
usual to accept this kind of tasks in Outreachy, maybe would be interesting
a quick comment about it.

Cheers!

2016-08-08 9:57 GMT+02:00 Claude Paroz :

> Le 06. 08. 16 à 22:45, Alexandre Franke a écrit :
> > Hi,
> >
> > GUADEC is coming soon and as usual we'll have the team reports there.
> > Is anyone volunteering to present? If nobody else wants to do it, I'll
> > do it. In any case, let me know of any highligh and interesting
> > development you can think of for the past year, so that we can share
> > them with the rest of the community!
>
> For anyone taking the task, maybe find a way to write something about
> the fact we are eagerly waiting on
> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=761992 ? (the server might
> also need a system update (still on 12.04)).
>
> Claude
> --
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Re: Team report at GUADEC

[Claude Paroz]

Le 06. 08. 16 à 22:45, Alexandre Franke a écrit :
> Hi,
> 
> GUADEC is coming soon and as usual we'll have the team reports there.
> Is anyone volunteering to present? If nobody else wants to do it, I'll
> do it. In any case, let me know of any highligh and interesting
> development you can think of for the past year, so that we can share
> them with the rest of the community!

For anyone taking the task, maybe find a way to write something about
the fact we are eagerly waiting on
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=761992 ? (the server might
also need a system update (still on 12.04)).

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Team report at GUADEC

[Alexandre Franke]

Hi,

GUADEC is coming soon and as usual we'll have the team reports there.
Is anyone volunteering to present? If nobody else wants to do it, I'll
do it. In any case, let me know of any highligh and interesting
development you can think of for the past year, so that we can share
them with the rest of the community!

Cheers,

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