a list of software compiled by completely free toolchain
Hello all, Python (if I am not right, I am sure there exist other examples of this case) as of now seems to still depend on Visual C being compiled on Windows and still causing problems being compiled with MinGW. Now, assuming that providing open source software on Windows doesn't give Windows an unfair advantage having all this good software available on it, but rather to the contrary, makes it easier for Windows users making the transition to Linux, since all the software they started using on Windows (open source software, of course) is available on Linux, too, doesn't this mean Python is not as free as it could be? What if one day Visual C in its license forbids using it to compile open source software? Is that completely impossible? On the Gnu website there is a list of completely free linux distributions. Would this website be also a place for a list of software which a) exists on Linux as well as Windows, making the transition to a good operating system possible b) can (on Windows) be compiled using a completely free toolchain (that is, MinGW) Any hints whether such a site / interest group already exists are greatly appreciated. Thanks Gabriel Striewe___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: a list of software compiled by completely free toolchain
'Evening, Gabriel! Gabriel Striewe li...@gabriel-striewe.de wrote: [-- text/plain, encoding quoted-printable, charset: UTF-8, 38 lines --] Hello all, Python (if I am not right, I am sure there exist other examples of this case) as of now seems to still depend on Visual C being compiled on Windows and still causing problems being compiled with MinGW. Is that really true? Aren't there any free C compilers native to Windows? Hasn't GCC been targeted at Windows native? Now, assuming that providing open source software on Windows doesn't give Windows an unfair advantage having all this good software available on it, but rather to the contrary, makes it easier?for Windows users making the transition to Linux, Which I believe would actually be the case. As well as making it easier for free software programmers to hack Windows, thus making it more of a free-for-all. , since all the software they started using on Windows (open source software, of course) is available on Linux, too, doesn't this mean Python is not as free as it could be? Perhaps, in theory. If this particular lack of freedom were ever to bite some day, I suspect it would be fixed in days rather than weeks. What if one day Visual C in its license forbids using it to compile open source software? Is that completely impossible? I suspect it wouldn't happen in practice, even if it's possible in theory. It would signify Microsoft waving the white flag of surrender. Also, who'd buy a compiling system for several hundred euros, were it to restrict the licensing of their own programs? On the Gnu website there is a list of completely free linux distributions. Would this website be also a place for a list of software which a) exists on Linux as well as Windows, making the transition to a good operating system possible That'd be a delicate suggestion, since it would, to some extent, be advocating the use of proprietary software, or at least look a bit like it. b) can (on Windows) be compiled using a completely free toolchain (that is, MinGW) Can't all free software written in C be built with MinGW? Any hints whether such a site / interest group already exists are greatly appreciated. I don't know of any. Thanks Gabriel Striewe -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany). ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: a list of software compiled by completely free toolchain
Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de hat am 12. November 2009 um 22:47 geschrieben: 'Evening, Gabriel! Gabriel Striewe li...@gabriel-striewe.de wrote: [-- text/plain, encoding quoted-printable, charset: UTF-8, 38 lines --] Hello all, Python (if I am not right, I am sure there exist other examples of this case) as of now seems to still depend on Visual C being compiled on Windows and still causing problems being compiled with MinGW. Is that really true? Aren't there any free C compilers native to Windows? Hasn't GCC been targeted at Windows native? Yes, GCC has been targeted at Windows natively, in the MinGW project. The Microsoft Visual C compiler is free of charge, but that is not in the sense of freedom endorsed by the gnu foundation. As for Python, there do exist a few patches to make it compile under Windows using MinGW, but this compilation process is not officially endorsed by the python guys. On www.python.org, you can get a python installer, but not the source to compile on Windows/MinGW. Now, assuming that providing open source software on Windows doesn't give Windows an unfair advantage having all this good software available on it, but rather to the contrary, makes it easier?for Windows users making the transition to Linux, Which I believe would actually be the case. As well as making it easier for free software programmers to hack Windows, thus making it more of a free-for-all. , since all the software they started using on Windows (open source software, of course) is available on Linux, too, doesn't this mean Python is not as free as it could be? Perhaps, in theory. If this particular lack of freedom were ever to bite some day, I suspect it would be fixed in days rather than weeks. Could be that maybe I am too pessimistic about it. What if one day Visual C in its license forbids using it to compile open source software? Is that completely impossible? I suspect it wouldn't happen in practice, even if it's possible in theory. It would signify Microsoft waving the white flag of surrender. Also, who'd buy a compiling system for several hundred euros, were it to restrict the licensing of their own programs? On the Gnu website there is a list of completely free linux distributions. Would this website be also a place for a list of software which a) exists on Linux as well as Windows, making the transition to a good operating system possible That'd be a delicate suggestion, since it would, to some extent, be advocating the use of proprietary software, or at least look a bit like it. I did not put it in clear enough words: of course this list would only include free software. b) can (on Windows) be compiled using a completely free toolchain (that is, MinGW) Can't all free software written in C be built with MinGW? That's what I wish would one day be true. Any hints whether such a site / interest group already exists are greatly appreciated. I don't know of any. During the next days I am going to try to compile K3D under Windows using MinGW. If it's successful, I will set up a note on my website. Thanks Gabriel Striewe -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany). ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: a list of software compiled by completely free toolchain
Alan Mackenzie wrote: 'Evening, Gabriel! Gabriel Striewe li...@gabriel-striewe.de wrote: [-- text/plain, encoding quoted-printable, charset: UTF-8, 38 lines --] Hello all, Python (if I am not right, I am sure there exist other examples of this case) as of now seems to still depend on Visual C being compiled on Windows and still causing problems being compiled with MinGW. Is that really true? Aren't there any free C compilers native to Windows? Hasn't GCC been targeted at Windows native? GCC isn't a freely licensed compiler. The GCC compiler is licensed under the highly restrictive GPL license. For a freely licensed C compiler try the pcc compiler at http://pcc.ludd.ltu.se/ . You can also try clang at http://clang.llvm.org/ . With a year, GCC will be replaced in the superior BSD flavored operating systems. Sincerely, Rjack ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: a list of software compiled by completely free toolchain
Rjack u...@example.net hat am 13. November 2009 um 00:10 geschrieben: Alan Mackenzie wrote: 'Evening, Gabriel! Gabriel Striewe li...@gabriel-striewe.de wrote: [-- text/plain, encoding quoted-printable, charset: UTF-8, 38 lines --] Hello all, Python (if I am not right, I am sure there exist other examples of this case) as of now seems to still depend on Visual C being compiled on Windows and still causing problems being compiled with MinGW. Is that really true? Aren't there any free C compilers native to Windows? Hasn't GCC been targeted at Windows native? GCC isn't a freely licensed compiler. The GCC compiler is licensed under the highly restrictive GPL license. For a freely licensed C compiler try the pcc compiler at http://pcc.ludd.ltu.se/ . You can also try clang at http://clang.llvm.org/ . With a year, GCC will be replaced in the superior BSD flavored operating systems. But didn't that enable Apple to use most of the software the BSD project has written, without Apple being obliged to give something back? Sincerely, Rjack ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: a list of software compiled by completely free toolchain
In article mailman.10619.1258071614.2239.gnu-misc-disc...@gnu.org, Gabriel Striewe li...@gabriel-striewe.de wrote: But didn't that enable Apple to use most of the software the BSD project has written, without Apple being obliged to give something back? In fact, Apple gave a *huge* amount back: http://www.opensource.apple.com/ Why does it matter that they weren't *forced* to do that? -- --Tim Smith ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: a list of software compiled by completely free toolchain
In article hdhvp3$2nr...@colin2.muc.de, Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote: Is that really true? Aren't there any free C compilers native to Windows? Hasn't GCC been targeted at Windows native? Watcom C/C++ was made open source quite a while back. Perhaps it would work for this. http://www.openwatcom.org/index.php/Main_Page -- --Tim Smith ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
