Re: New to GnuCash and more...

[Dave Peticolas]

Rolando Roman writes:
> i posted thi yest can someone shed some light on the problem belo?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> landy@Ptorico:~ > gnucash
> gnucash: error in loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/libguile.so.4: undefined
>  symbol: glibtop_global_server
> landy@Ptorico:~ > 
> 

I think this is related to the fact that the rpm was created on RH6.2, which
has different versions of libraries than SuSE. For installing from source,
you should consult doc/build-suse.txt.

dave

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Re: New to GnuCash and more...

[Rolando Roman]

i installed from rpm since source was giving me problems as well, i
installed the guile from the link at gnucash.org
i am using suse 6.4


landy@Ptorico:/usr/lib > ls libgui*
libguile.so.4

landy@Ptorico:/usr/lib > ls libgtop*
libgtop.so.1  libgtop_guile_names.so.1.0.6
libgtop.so.1.0.6  libgtop_names.so.1
libgtop_common.so.1   libgtop_names.so.1.0.6
libgtop_common.so.1.0.6   libgtop_suid_common.so.1
libgtop_guile.so.1libgtop_suid_common.so.1.0.6
libgtop_guile.so.1.0.6libgtop_sysdeps.so.1
libgtop_guile_names.so.1  libgtop_sysdeps.so.1.0.6

thanks for your time
Rolando Roman
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Re: New to GnuCash and more...

[Robert Graham Merkel]

Rolando Roman writes:
 > i posted thi yest can someone shed some light on the problem belo?
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > landy@Ptorico:~ > gnucash
 > gnucash: error in loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/libguile.so.4: undefined 
 >symbol: glibtop_global_server
 > landy@Ptorico:~ > 

Which distribution, and which version of guile do you have installed?

Did you install from the RPM or from source?



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Re: New to GnuCash and more...

[Rolando Roman]

i posted thi yest can someone shed some light on the problem belo?




landy@Ptorico:~ > gnucash
gnucash: error in loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/libguile.so.4: undefined symbol: 
glibtop_global_server
landy@Ptorico:~ > 

Rolando Roman
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Re: New to GnuCash and more...

[Dave Peticolas]

"Ralf Gorholt" writes:

> Anyway, after having had a look at the files I have got the impression, that
> the way to do this at least in this project is quite complicated. As far as
> I can see, the whole english message is used to look up the translated
> message. I would prefer a message code which is independent of the message
> text and who points to the message in a message file. The message file could
> be changed or accessed depending on the language. I know this mechanism in
> other operating systems. Or is this a bad idea? If so, please tell me why. I
> am willing to learn :)

The use of the english string is the standard method for the GNU gettext
package, which is the standard way of i18ning strings in free software
programs. As for why they use that method as opposed to the codes you
mention, I do not know. You might try the gettext info pages to see
if there is any discussion there.

thanks,
dave

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Re: New to GnuCash and more...

[Dave Peticolas]

Herbert Thoma writes:
> Hi.
> 
> I have the same problem, but I didn't report it yet, because I like
> the english version better anyway :).
> 
> This behavior was there in GnuCash some time ago and got fixed.
> It came back with the "great automake patch".

Ok, I think I have this fixed in both trees. After you update, you
will need to remove src/guile/i18n.h to make sure it gets rebuilt.
If you are using an rpm, the 1.4.1 version will have the fix.

dave

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Re: New to GnuCash and more...

[Ralf Gorholt]

Hello Herbert,

> This behavior was there in GnuCash some time ago and got fixed.
> It came back with the "great automake patch".

this happens even in really big (and expensive!) commercial projects  :)

> GnuCash does not use localized strings from gnucash.pot.
> It uses, however, the correct localized currency symbol
> and some of the menu items are translated (I persume
> these are localized by gnome, e.g. save, save as, open, ...).
>
> This behaviour occurs with SuSE 6.3 and LANG set to
> german or de_DE. (german is just an alias for de_DE).

That's exactly the installation I use.

> Hope this can help anyone who knows more about locale and NLS.

Unfortunately I do not know yet exactly how the
internationalization/localization mechanism works. Perhaps in some weeks.

Anyway, after having had a look at the files I have got the impression, that
the way to do this at least in this project is quite complicated. As far as
I can see, the whole english message is used to look up the translated
message. I would prefer a message code which is independent of the message
text and who points to the message in a message file. The message file could
be changed or accessed depending on the language. I know this mechanism in
other operating systems. Or is this a bad idea? If so, please tell me why. I
am willing to learn :)

Greetings,

Ralf


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Re: New to GnuCash and more...

[Herbert Thoma]

Hi.

I have the same problem, but I didn't report it yet, because I like
the english version better anyway :).

This behavior was there in GnuCash some time ago and got fixed.
It came back with the "great automake patch".

The detailed behavior is:

GnuCash does not use localized strings from gnucash.pot.
It uses, however, the correct localized currency symbol
and some of the menu items are translated (I persume
these are localized by gnome, e.g. save, save as, open, ...).

This behaviour occurs with SuSE 6.3 and LANG set to
german or de_DE. (german is just an alias for de_DE).

Hope this can help anyone who knows more about locale and NLS.

 Herbert.

Ralf Gorholt wrote:
> 
> Hello Dave,
> 
> > How did you install gnucash, i.e., was it with an rpm or did you
> > compile from source? Also, what is the value of the LANG environment
> > variable?
> 
> I have compiled the sources and the value of the LANG variable is "german".
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Ralf
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Re: New to GnuCash and more...

[Ralf Gorholt]

Hello Dave,

> How did you install gnucash, i.e., was it with an rpm or did you
> compile from source? Also, what is the value of the LANG environment
> variable?

I have compiled the sources and the value of the LANG variable is "german".

Thanks,

Ralf


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Re: New to GnuCash and more...

[Bill Gribble]

Sean Millichamp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 2) If #1 is the right way of doing it then is there currently an automated
> way in Gnucash of saying "close the financial period ending on 12/31/1999"
> and have it go round up the balances and transfer them?

This is a big TO DO on the 1.5 development list.  It turns out to be a
lot trickier than it seems at first, particularly if you want to
preserve things like the ability to generate sensible reports across
multiple accounting periods, while still doing something to "roll up"
asset/liability account balances and collapse income/expense to equity.

Bill Gribble

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Re: New to GnuCash and more...

[Christopher Browne]

On Fri, 23 Jun 2000 21:25:07 EDT, the world broke into rejoicing as
Sean Millichamp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  said:
> On Fri, 23 Jun 2000, Rob Walker wrote:
> 
> > Richard> Actually, income and expenses get "closed" at the end of the
> > Richard> accounting period by transferring their balance to the equity
> > Richard> accounts. Some programs continuously do this "virtually" as
> > Richard> of the present time.
> > 
> > oh, gree  
> > 
> > i can't make up my mind, do I have one accounting period which ends
> > when I die, or do I have one per calendar year (thakn you mr. Federal
> > Treasury and their Revenue arm)?
> 
> For those who want to close the accounting period for personal use and who
> aren't versed in business accounting, I have these questions:
> 
> 1) How should one go about "transferring" the equity?  Just adjust the
> balance of every Income/Expense account to 0.00 while transferring the
> balance to a single equity account for everything?
> 
> 2) If #1 is the right way of doing it then is there currently an automated
> way in Gnucash of saying "close the financial period ending on 12/31/1999"
> and have it go round up the balances and transfer them?
> 
> I was under the impression that there was something magical in "closing
> the books" but it sounds like it's just a zeroing of the income/expense
> accounts at a given break in the accounting cycle.  Is that an accurate
> way of putting it?  I didn't see much specific mentioned in the Gnucash
> docs regarding this

You _do_ have to sacrifice chickens under the full moon to expect it to
work out successfully ;-].

But as you suggest, it's really just a matter of zeroing out the income
and expense accounts for a given period, and sticking those balances
somewhere permanent...
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Re: New to GnuCash and more...

[Christopher Browne]

On Fri, 23 Jun 2000 17:15:15 PDT, the world broke into rejoicing as
Rob Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  said:
> 
> > On Fri, 23 Jun 2000 18:04:32 -0500, Richard Wackerbarth
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> 
> Richard> On Fri, 23 Jun 2000, Rob Walker wrote:
> 
> Bill> This is basically like a Quicken category; as you get more
> Bill> paychecks, the balance of the account will increase and you can
> Bill> see the total of your salary income.
> 
> >> Isn't there a "magic" account which keeps getting bigger and
> >> bigger, like "equity" or something like that?
> 
> Richard> That all depends on your expenses. For some people, it gets
> Richard> smaller and smaller. :-)
> 
> wow, that would suck, if GAAP said that your equity was getting lower
> and lower and worth less and less.  "the numbers would say you are
> worthless now, mr. walker"

If expenses are high enough in the "Silly Valley," and you're only
making a "ludicrously high" salary as opposed to an "outrageously
ludicrously high" salary, it can indeed be the case that equity
will fall.

Don't hit me if I say something about the value of certain stock
options...  The employees of the "Internet" companies that dropped
so sharply in value this year saw something like this.

More usually, people that live beyond their means also find this
result...

> Richard> Actually, income and expenses get "closed" at the end of the
> Richard> accounting period by transferring their balance to the equity
> Richard> accounts. Some programs continuously do this "virtually" as
> Richard> of the present time.
> 
> oh, gree  
> 
> i can't make up my mind, do I have one accounting period which ends
> when I die, or do I have one per calendar year (thakn you mr. Federal
> Treasury and their Revenue arm)?

Then flip a coin.  There is _not_ a fixed mandate to always close out
accounts into equity; that's something you can choose to either do, or
not do.

A report of activity for 2001 probably ought to treat incomes and
expenses from 2000 and earlier as being "closed," and move any such
balances to equity; whether the transactions that _formalize_ this
actually get posted to the accounts is _your_ call, and really _isn't_
a matter of GAAP or tax regulations.
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Re: New to GnuCash and more...

[Richard Wackerbarth]

On Fri, 23 Jun 2000, Sean Millichamp wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Jun 2000, Rob Walker wrote:
> > Richard> Actually, income and expenses get "closed" at the end of the
> > Richard> accounting period by transferring their balance to the equity
> > Richard> accounts.

> For those who want to close the accounting period for personal use and who
> aren't versed in business accounting, I have these questions:
>
> 1) How should one go about "transferring" the equity?  Just adjust the
> balance of every Income/Expense account to 0.00 while transferring the
> balance to a single equity account for everything?
>
> 2) If #1 is the right way of doing it then is there currently an automated
> way in Gnucash of saying "close the financial period ending on 12/31/1999"
> and have it go round up the balances and transfer them?

No, but there should be.

> I was under the impression that there was something magical in "closing
> the books" but it sounds like it's just a zeroing of the income/expense
> accounts at a given break in the accounting cycle.  Is that an accurate
> way of putting it?

It's not quite that easy. In the "pen and ink" days, you made the adjusting 
entries and then the P&L statement. The income (and expense) books were then 
"closed" by flipping the left cover to the right and placing them on the 
shelf. The next accounting period started with a fresh ledger. :-)
In computerized accounting, where you tend to store multiple accounting 
periods in the same file (database, etc.), you must remember that these 
closing entries are not a part of the P&L for any period but that they
get included in the balance sheet.  

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Re: New to GnuCash and more...

[Sean Millichamp]

On Fri, 23 Jun 2000, Rob Walker wrote:

> Richard> Actually, income and expenses get "closed" at the end of the
> Richard> accounting period by transferring their balance to the equity
> Richard> accounts. Some programs continuously do this "virtually" as
> Richard> of the present time.
> 
> oh, gree  
> 
> i can't make up my mind, do I have one accounting period which ends
> when I die, or do I have one per calendar year (thakn you mr. Federal
> Treasury and their Revenue arm)?

For those who want to close the accounting period for personal use and who
aren't versed in business accounting, I have these questions:

1) How should one go about "transferring" the equity?  Just adjust the
balance of every Income/Expense account to 0.00 while transferring the
balance to a single equity account for everything?

2) If #1 is the right way of doing it then is there currently an automated
way in Gnucash of saying "close the financial period ending on 12/31/1999"
and have it go round up the balances and transfer them?

I was under the impression that there was something magical in "closing
the books" but it sounds like it's just a zeroing of the income/expense
accounts at a given break in the accounting cycle.  Is that an accurate
way of putting it?  I didn't see much specific mentioned in the Gnucash
docs regarding this

Thanks,
Sean

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Re: New to GnuCash and more...

[Rob Walker]

> On Fri, 23 Jun 2000 18:04:32 -0500, Richard Wackerbarth
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

Richard> On Fri, 23 Jun 2000, Rob Walker wrote:

Bill> This is basically like a Quicken category; as you get more
Bill> paychecks, the balance of the account will increase and you can
Bill> see the total of your salary income.

>> Isn't there a "magic" account which keeps getting bigger and
>> bigger, like "equity" or something like that?

Richard> That all depends on your expenses. For some people, it gets
Richard> smaller and smaller. :-)

wow, that would suck, if GAAP said that your equity was getting lower
and lower and worth less and less.  "the numbers would say you are
worthless now, mr. walker"

Richard> Actually, income and expenses get "closed" at the end of the
Richard> accounting period by transferring their balance to the equity
Richard> accounts. Some programs continuously do this "virtually" as
Richard> of the present time.

oh, gree  

i can't make up my mind, do I have one accounting period which ends
when I die, or do I have one per calendar year (thakn you mr. Federal
Treasury and their Revenue arm)?

rob

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Re: New to GnuCash and more...

[Richard Wackerbarth]

On Fri, 23 Jun 2000, Rob Walker wrote:

> Bill> This is basically like a Quicken
> Bill> category; as you get more paychecks, the balance of the account
> Bill> will increase and you can see the total of your salary income.
>
> Isn't there a "magic" account which keeps getting bigger and bigger,
> like "equity" or something like that?

That all depends on your expenses. For some people, it gets smaller and 
smaller. :-)

Actually, income and expenses get "closed" at the end of the accounting 
period by transferring their balance to the equity accounts. Some programs 
continuously do this "virtually" as of the present time.

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Re: New to GnuCash and more...

[Dave Peticolas]

"Ralf Gorholt" writes:
> Hello Bill Gribble,
> 
> > If you are seeing "credit" and "debit" in the column headings, make
> > sure you have "use accounting labels" off and you'll probably see
> > something that makes more sense to you.
> 
> I will verify this. By the way: have all these terms and expressions been
> translated into german and how can I activate them? In fact, what I have
> currently is a mixture of german and english, at least in the menus.
> Absolutely unusable for my wife...

How did you install gnucash, i.e., was it with an rpm or did you
compile from source? Also, what is the value of the LANG environment
variable?

thanks,
dave

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Re: New to GnuCash and more...

[Rob Walker]

> On 23 Jun 2000 16:17:00 -0500, Bill Gribble
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

Bill> "Ralf Gorholt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>> What about for example my salary? In this case, money arrives on my
>> bank account but I don't have a counterpart for it because it's the
>> account of my employer and out of my scope.

Bill> Your employer's account is out of your scope, but the source of
Bill> the funds is still something that you can represent.  You need
Bill> to make an account of type "Income", called "Salary" or some
Bill> reasonable translation.  This is basically like a Quicken
Bill> category; as you get more paychecks, the balance of the account
Bill> will increase and you can see the total of your salary income.

Isn't there a "magic" account which keeps getting bigger and bigger,
like "equity" or something like that?

rob

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Re: New to GnuCash and more...

[Bill Gribble]

"Ralf Gorholt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> What about for example my salary? In this case, money arrives on my bank
> account but I don't have a counterpart for it because it's the account of my
> employer and out of my scope. 

Your employer's account is out of your scope, but the source of the
funds is still something that you can represent.  You need to make an
account of type "Income", called "Salary" or some reasonable
translation.  This is basically like a Quicken category; as you get
more paychecks, the balance of the account will increase and you can
see the total of your salary income.

You might also make some expense accounts, such as "Tax", to represent
destinations for funds in your paycheck other than your bank account;
in this way, you can enter your gross income in the "Salary" account
each month, and allow only the net income to go into your bank
account.

Bill Gribble

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Re: New to GnuCash and more...

[Ralf Gorholt]

Hello Bill Gribble,

> If you are seeing "credit" and "debit" in the column headings, make
> sure you have "use accounting labels" off and you'll probably see
> something that makes more sense to you.

I will verify this. By the way: have all these terms and expressions been
translated into german and how can I activate them? In fact, what I have
currently is a mixture of german and english, at least in the menus.
Absolutely unusable for my wife...

There is still one question for which I might find an answer in the
documentation. I just have printed out some pages and taken a dictionary :-)
because I am not used at all to the english financial terms and expressions.

What about for example my salary? In this case, money arrives on my bank
account but I don't have a counterpart for it because it's the account of my
employer and out of my scope. How can I or do I have to handle this? Perhaps
it is described in the doc. I will have a look at it. Anyway, I know the
system of double etnry accounting because we are using it in our
institution. I think that I just have to forget what Quicken does with its
accounts and categories...

Greetings,

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Re: New to GnuCash and more...

[Dave Peticolas]

"Ralf Gorholt" writes:
> Dear GnuCash developers,
> 
> 2) I dont't have too much time, but to do something useful with my
> computers, I would like to contribute to the project. How is this possible?
> Could I work on any part of the project I like? Just for info: I am coming
> from a mainframe system where I am responsible for two old applications
> written in COBOL. Unfortunately I have no experience in programming for
> Linux. During the past 5 years I have done a bit of experimental work under
> OS/2 and Windows, just to see if and how it works. But I would like to do
> something useful.

You can work on any part you want to. If you want to do some programming,
check out the projects page at:

  http://cvs.gnucash.org/linux/gnucash/projects.html

Of course, you aren't limited to those items. If there's a particular
feature or improvement you'd like to work on, that would be great too.

thanks,
dave

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Re: New to GnuCash and more...

[Ed Porras]

In one message or another, Bill Gribble said something like this:
>If you are seeing "credit" and "debit" in the column headings, make
>sure you have "use accounting labels" off and you'll probably see
>something that makes more sense to you.

this seems common among soon-to-be-former-Quicken users :)

if it helps, just go to the Main Window Preferences and unselect
"Expense" types from the "Account types to display" list..

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Re: New to GnuCash and more...

[Bill Gribble]

"Ralf Gorholt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> But, if I look at the master or parent account which also displays
> the categories, all that what should appear under debit appears
> under credit and vice versa.

Let's say you write a check for "food", and pay it from the "checking"
account.  In the "checking" register, you should see the amount of the
check in the right (withdrawal) column.  In the "food" account, you
should see the amount in the left (deposit) column.  You are
withdrawing money from your "bank" account and putting it into your
"food" account.

I suspect what's confusing you is the column labels.  In the
US-English localized version of Gnucash, the left column in a Bank
account register is labeled "Deposit" and the right "Withdrawal"; in
Expense account registers (which is what the "food" account should be)
the left column is "Expense" and the right "Rebate".

If you have the "use accounting labels" option set in
Preferences:General, you will see the label "Credit" on the right
column and "Debit" on the left column for all account types.  That's
because accountants refer to a withdrawal from an asset account as a
"credit" and a deposit to an asset account as a "debit".  This is
reversed from many people's common sense understanding of "credit" and
"debit", which is why it's an option that you have to explicitly set
if you want to see labels that way; however, it is the correct usage.

If you are seeing "credit" and "debit" in the column headings, make
sure you have "use accounting labels" off and you'll probably see
something that makes more sense to you.

Bill Gribble

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New to GnuCash and more...

[Ralf Gorholt]

Dear GnuCash developers,

I am new to GnuCash and to this mailing list, so please excuse me if my
questions sound a bit stupid. And please excuse my english, it was MUCH
better 20 years ago...

First, I would like to say that I am actually a Quicken (Version 6) user and
that I would like to abandon this software for several reasons. As I am also
a Linux user, I have looked for something else and found GnuCash. After some
difficulties due to components which were not installed on my PC but needed
by GnuCash, I have managed to compile and run the version 1.4.0 of GnuCash.

GnuCash seems very interesting to me and I think it could, in the future,
replace Quicken for me. What I really would need in this case is support for
online banking, but that is another point.

There are mainly two reasons why I am writing this mail.

1) I have imported an account which I have created in Quicken about three
years ago and I am not sure if I understand the behaviour of GnuCash
correctly. When I look at the accounts which correspond to what Quicken
calls "categories", everything looks fine. But, if I look at the master or
parent account which also displays the categories, all that what should
appear under debit appears under credit and vice versa. Is this correct? Is
it perhaps due to the double entry accounting that uses GnuCash? Anyway, if
I change the account types, the problem remains the same.

2) I dont't have too much time, but to do something useful with my
computers, I would like to contribute to the project. How is this possible?
Could I work on any part of the project I like? Just for info: I am coming
from a mainframe system where I am responsible for two old applications
written in COBOL. Unfortunately I have no experience in programming for
Linux. During the past 5 years I have done a bit of experimental work under
OS/2 and Windows, just to see if and how it works. But I would like to do
something useful.

Thanks for your answer,

Ralf


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