Re: [GNC] OFX setup

[John Ralls]

> On Jul 7, 2020, at 1:34 PM, Fleur Dragan  wrote:
> 
> /Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/MacOS/Gnucash --debug --extra --logto 
> ./gnucash.trace 2>&1 | tee gnc.out
> 

it's --logto=./gnucash.trace. I tried without the '=' and couldn't find the log 
either.

Yes, the accounts *should* be autocreated. I think I said that before. They 
were for me when I tested it with USAA a couple of months ago, but several 
people have reported recently that they weren't with other banks. Perhaps 
AQBanking 6.2.0 changed something and that's now broken for OFX.

That said, the log you sent seems to show the accounts being created in 
~/.aqbanking/settings6 as one would expect so perhaps there's an issue with 
AQBanking reading what it wrote.

Both the OFX log and the gwenhywfar debug output appear to end at retrieving 
the accounts, there doesn't seem to be anything at all about the server 
internal error in either. Was that from a different session?

Regards,
John Ralls



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Re: [GNC] Fractional Hours?

[Andrew Clark]

Ok, thank you for your help. I had a look at the eguile file for the report
and it calls fmtnumeric for the qty. It looks like that's changed in the
utilities file along the way from:

(define-public (fmtnumeric n)
  ;; Format gnc-numeric n with as many decimal places as required
  (fmtnumber (gnc-numeric-to-double n)))

To:

(define-public (fmtnumber n)
  ;; Format a number (integer or real) into something printable
  (number->string (if (integer? n) (inexact->exact n) n)))

I created a copy of the eguile file in my home directory and pointed my
report to use that, put a call the contents of the old function directly in
place where qty is printed and it now works cleanly.

Here's a diff:

--- /usr/share/gnucash/scm/gnucash/report/taxinvoice.eguile.scm 2020-07-08
10:38:56.578832054 +1000
+++ "/srv/home/aclark/Documents/Account Keeping/taxinvoice.eguile.scm"
2020-07-08 10:39:36.206075678 +1000
@@ -351,7 +351,7 @@
   
   
   
-
+
   
   
 

I don't know if that's the best fix or if there's a more suitable function
to be calling there?

On Thu, 2 Jul 2020 at 13:36, Adrien Monteleone <
adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote:

> Sorry, I see that now.
>
> If it was working before, then this would be a change in the report's code.
>
> A bug report on GnuCash’s Bugzilla would be in order.
>
> In the meantime, you could download and ‘borrow’ the report from a
> previous version that worked. If you update before it is fixed, you’ll have
> to keep overwriting the new report with the old.
>
> Another option would be to set up the old report as a custom report. (see
> the wiki on how)
>
> That way, it won’t get overwritten on an update, and when your bug is
> fixed, you can ditch the ‘custom’ old copy.
>
> Finally, it seems this is only the case with the Tax Invoice that I can
> tell. A standard (Easy) invoice report shows decimals.
>
> Other than looks, I’m not even certain of the benefits of the ’tax
> invoice’. For me, there is no tax info on it. But the other invoices do
> have tax info –odd that is.
>
> Regards,
> Adrien
>
> > On Jul 1, 2020 w27d183, at 9:25 PM, Andrew Clark 
> wrote:
> >
> > Sorry, I misspoke in my previous.
> >
> > That setting is already in place, but this isn't a price.
> >
> > It's an actual amount that really should be decimal. Saying I'm billing
> for 171/2 hours work is confusing.
> >
> > It shows in both the Tax Invoice report and the Australian Tax Invoice
> report.
> >
>
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-- 
Cheers,

Andrew.
--- /usr/share/gnucash/scm/gnucash/report/taxinvoice.eguile.scm	2020-07-08 10:38:56.578832054 +1000
+++ "/srv/home/aclark/Documents/Account Keeping/taxinvoice.eguile.scm"	2020-07-08 10:39:36.206075678 +1000
@@ -351,7 +351,7 @@
   
   
   
-
+
   
   
 
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Re: [GNC] GnuCash list

[David Cousens]

Greg,

It is not that complicated (although it could be in principle). Nabble is a 
company and it gets some income from Google
ads on the Nabble interface. That is apparently not sufficient to cover their 
operating costs recently and they have
also  had server failures and are currently reexamining their financial model 
to see if they can remain viable (nabble
Support Forum (http://support.nabble.com/). Only some Nabble interfaces from 
their dead server(s) have currently been
migrated to a new server at this stage. 

You can sign up to the GnuCash Mail lists from the Nabble interface (it sends a
subscribe email with the Nabble user credentials to the GnuCash mailing lists) 
or you can register on Nabble with the
GnuCash mailing list credentials. Nabble has never altered my settings and or 
password on the GnuCash mailing list
although I think there is an option to switch off receiving the list emails if 
you want to use it.

The administrator of the Nabble interface to the GnuCash mailing list (Hugo) 
also appears to have gone MIA and can't be
contacted. He was never officially connected with the GnuCash team AFAIK. I 
have been using GnuCash since 2010 and the
Nabble interface for almost as long. Possibly the best solution would be if 
someone associated with the  GnuCash
teamcould take over that role if it is indeed vacant.  I have recently posted 
on the Nabble support forum asking for
some clarification of the Nabble GnuCash interface status and whether it still 
has active administration from Hugo and
whether it is possible to transfer administration if not. 

David Cousens


On Tue, 2020-07-07 at 06:53 -0700, Greg Feneis wrote:
> Not familiar with Nabble, but what if...
> 
> ...A user gives over their GnuCash email list credentials to Nabble at some
> early stage, thinking they're just doing what's required to be on the list
> (a Nabble-sent email with instructions, like a phishing scheme) and Nabble
> takes that info and alters the user's list settings and perhaps password,
> so it eventually seems to the user that the only way the user can access
> the list is through Nabble?
> 
> For this to work, the Nabble bot would need its own account on the list and
> that account would have to get a notification every time a new user joins
> (don't even know if that's possible), or somehow monitor the list's
> activity just enough to detect when new users join the list.
> 
> Something like this might explain why ppl claim various issues with normal
> list interaction + claim they can only read and work with the list through
> Nabble.
> 
> Kind regards, Greg Feneis
> (Pixel 3)
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jul 7, 2020, 06:13 Adrien Monteleone 
> wrote:
> 
> > Nabble is not GnuCash. They are a site that provides access to one or more
> > mailing lists (of any subject) in a web forum format instead of having to
> > use regular e-mail that mailing lists use.
> > 
> > At some point in history ‘Hugo’ linked the gnucash-user list to Nabble. No
> > one seems to know if permission from the GnuCash team was ever sought or
> > obtained when this was done.
> > 
> > Joining Nabble does *not* subscribe you to the mailing list.
> > 
> > You do not *need* to join Nabble to use the list. You don’t ever need to
> > use Nabble at all to get help with GnuCash. (I never have and I joined this
> > list years ago)
> > 
> > Mailing lists are just e-mail. They have their own Netiquette and some
> > tips on this can be found in https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists.
> > 
> > I hope that clears up some confusion.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Adrien
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > On Jul 7, 2020 w28d189, at 6:59 AM, butterandpean...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > 
> > > *I would have responded earlier, however, I experienced the exact same
> > > situation as Adrian. I've been a participant on the GnuCash list for
> > 
> > YEARS,
> > > and all of a sudden through nabble I was/am no longer able to post or
> > 
> > reply
> > > to the list.  I also get NO RESPONSE from the infamous "Hugo" whoever
> > > s/he/it is... very frustrating.  I just joined the list directly, but I
> > 
> > too
> > > am totally confused.*
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Re: [GNC] Gnucash - user: Google result

[Stan Brown]

On 2020-07-07 08:34, Art Chimes wrote:
> Although I use "google" as a verb all the time, in fact my default
> search tool is the more privacy-centered DuckDuckGo
> (https://duckduckgo.com). My search for gnucash forums (just the two
> words, no quotes) came up with rather different results. Here are the
> top five

I do the same, just as i use to promise to "xerox" a paper regardless
what kind of machine would do the actual copying.

I google (note the lower-case letter) by using Startpage.com. It returns
the same results as Google, but without the sponsored links and without
the tracking stuff that Google adds to every URL in search results.

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Re: [GNC] GnuCash list

[David Cousens]

It would appear that Nabble the company which makes the Nabble interface to the 
forums available has had some financial
problems and is not getting sufficient income to keep all their servers up. 
This may be the origin of the problems as
they had a server failure a few days ago. They however are looking at the 
finacial viability if they cannot find another
funding model which keeps enough income coming in. Other Nabble users on other 
forums have also reported difficulties in
making posts so these problems may be related to the difficulty in keeping the 
servers up. They have only migrated
selected nabble interfaces to mailing lists to a new server.

The Nabble interface to the GnuCash Mailing list is totally separate from the 
mailing list itself. You can signup to the
Nabble interface and it has an option to create a signup (sends an email of 
your behalf) to the GnuCash mailing list
during that process but otherwise it only mirrors and sends posts to the 
GnuCash mailing list (but has no role in the
administartion of the GnuCash mailing lists). It is a convenience only.

David Cousens
On Tue, 2020-07-07 at 04:59 -0700, butterandpean...@gmail.com wrote:
> *I'm responding to the below post...*
> 
> "Liz, I tried to respond to a posting by David Cousens [via GnuCash] and it
> was rejected by Nabble. Could you pass on the following -
> 
> I have also tried to contact Hugo a number of times. In frustration I have
> used a different email address and name and registered again following the
> instructions on the gnucashe wiki. I have the same problem. I do not unders
> tand the difference between posting
>  on the Gnucash list vs posting by Nabble - certainly following the wiki in
> structions forces you to use Nabble. as soon as you register you are sent an
> email to click on and it takes you to the Nabble subscribe form. I
> am very confused and would love a simple
>  process that worked like a normal forum without having to go through hoops"
> 
> *I would have responded earlier, however, I experienced the exact same
> situation as Adrian. I've been a participant on the GnuCash list for YEARS,
> and all of a sudden through nabble I was/am no longer able to post or reply
> to the list.  I also get NO RESPONSE from the infamous "Hugo" whoever
> s/he/it is... very frustrating.  I just joined the list directly, but I too
> am totally confused.*
> 
> *Anyway, fyi and fwiw...*
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Re: [GNC] GnuCash list

[Robert Heller]

Most people in recent times are using a webmail client (eg GMail, Yahoo, AOL, 
Hotmail, etc.), so they are reading E-Mail in a webbrowser, just as they would 
be reading postings in an actual webforum.  The idea of an "E-Mail List" as 
something separate from a forum is actually foreign to these people.  And yes 
many people would prefer a web-forum (not me -- I hate web forums and avoid 
them whenever possible).

At Tue, 7 Jul 2020 20:45:29 + (UTC) Bruce Irving  
wrote:

> 
>  On Tue, 07 Jul 2020 15:34:40 +0100 Fred Bone wrote
> (What mystifies me is why people go looking for a "forum" in the first 
> place).
> If I didn't know better, THAT is the first thing I would look for.
> 
> Bruce
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Re: [GNC] GnuCash list

[Bruce Irving via gnucash-user]

 On Tue, 07 Jul 2020 15:34:40 +0100 Fred Bone wrote
(What mystifies me is why people go looking for a "forum" in the first 
place).
If I didn't know better, THAT is the first thing I would look for.

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Re: [GNC] OFX setup

[Fleur Dragan]

This time I ran:

/Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/MacOS/Gnucash --debug --extra --logto 
./gnucash.trace 2>&1 | tee gnc.out


Again, setting up a user was successful.  I accepted the OFX server certificate 
and saw my accounts listed in the log window.  I set up an account with just 
the routing and account numbers which gave me a dialog that said "Unable to 
update account spec." but the account was created anyway.  I then went to the 
register for the account and attempted to get transactions, which resulted in 
this in the log window:

AqBanking v6.2.1.0stable
Sending jobs to the bank(s)
Sorting commands by account
Sorting commands by account
Sorting commands by provider
Send commands to providers
Send commands to provider "aqofxconnect"
Error Sending commands to provider "aqofxconnect":-104

I've attached gnc.out, and the scrubbed /tmp/ofx.log.  The ofx.log looks to 
have been cumulative, so the run I've just described would be at the end.  The 
gnucash.trace file is empty, so I didn't attach it.  If this seems odd, please 
let me know if I'm invoking with the wrong arguments.

Am I wrong in thinking that the accounts should be autocreated when they're 
downloaded from the OFX server?  Am I really supposed to set each one up 
separately?

Thanks for your help.



fleur
--
Fleur Dragan / fl...@obscure.org



> On Jul 6, 2020, at 5:09 PM, John Ralls  wrote:
> 
> Unfortunately the stderr/stdout capture didn't make it through the list. You 
> may send them directly to me if you like, but please first go through them 
> and remove any identifying information, especially the bank routing id, 
> account numbers, and any PINs or passwords.   
> 
> All that you need for an OFX account setup is the Routing ID and Account 
> number. The former goes in the Bank Code field, the latter in the Account 
> Number field. Both should have been in the log window output; you can edit 
> the user and retrieve accounts again if you need to. The Bank and Account 
> names are used to identify the account in the UI so you can enter whatever 
> you like. The other fields are for HBCI/FinTS and can safely be left blank.
> 
> Regards,
> John Ralls
> 
> 
>> On Jul 6, 2020, at 4:33 AM, Fleur Dragan > > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> First I set:
>> 
>> export GWEN_LOGLEVEL=debug
>> export AQBANKING_LOGLEVEL=debug
>> export AQOFX_LOG_COMM=1
>> export AQOFXCONNECT_LOGLEVEL=debug
>> 
>> 
>> Then I ran, just to be safe:
>> 
>> rm -rf ~/.aqbanking/
>> 
>> 
>> Then I ran:
>> 
>> /Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/MacOS/Gnucash --debug 2>&1 | tee gnc.out
>> 
>> 
>> Once GnuCash started up, I tried to set up a user, which was successful.  
>> Then I tried to retrieve accounts, which was also successful, but no 
>> accounts were created in the aqbanking window.  I tried to create an 
>> account, but it's not clear what information each field wants, especially 
>> since it's designed to be country agnostic.  Is BIC SWIFT the routing number 
>> for my US account?  Is country "US" or "United States" or something else?  
>> Bank Name?  The one in www.ofxhome.com?  The one on their website?  Can't 
>> get much more ambiguous than bank name.  The look up bank code doesn't 
>> appear to do anything, so I have no idea if the bank code is the OFX FI, the 
>> routing number, or something else.  There are enough ambiguous fields, 
>> trying various combinations is prohibitive.  If there is documentation, in 
>> English (google translate will not understand subtleties of 
>> BIC/IBAN/SWIFT/routing number), for setting up OFX accounts, I will happily 
>> try again.
>> 
>> There were no errors in /tmp/ofx.log.
>> 
>> There don't seem to be any errors in the output, and nothing was in the 
>> trace file, so I guess I read how to turn that on wrong.  I've attached the 
>> stdout/stderr output.  Will the trace be helpful?  If so, I'll go back and 
>> to that.  What else have I missed?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> thanks,
>> fleur
>> --
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 5, 2020, at 1:14 AM, Frank H. Ellenberger 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Am 05.07.20 um 00:51 schrieb peterb:
 Fleur Dragan said:
 
> So when I try to set up OFX connectivity, the user is created
> successfully.  Then I try to retrieve accounts, which do show up in the 
> log
> window, and the log window says I may now close, but when I do, nothing
> happens.  This was the same behavior I saw with aqbanking 6.1.4.
> 
 
 This was the exact same behavior I saw in 3.10.  I haven't tried it with
 4.0 yet.  The overall user impression was "Your login has succeeded!
 Nothing happens."
 
 -P
>>> 
>>> just in case the one or other wants to dig deeper:
>>> * https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/AqBanking#Debugging
>>> * https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Tracefile
>>> Flatpak users only:
>>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Flatpak#Getting_Console_Output
>>> 
>>> HTH
>>> Frank
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 

Re: [GNC] GnuCash list: gmane

[Stuart McGraw]

Gmane is (thanks heavens) definitely not dead.  I am at this very moment
reading your post via Gmane.  The Thunderbird email program, which I
use for normal day-to-day email, will also connect to usenet services
(like gmane) and presents those posts with the same UI as regular emails.

It is the best way of reading mailing lists as far as I am concerned
since I get to browse the posts and decided what I want to read without
using my machine's resources to download and store them all.

It used to be possible to post through Gmane as well but that stopped
working for me several years ago (maybe when it changed from gmane.org
to gmane.io?)  No problem, when I need to post, I subscribe to the
mailing list but turn off delivery so I can post directly to the list
but still read via Gmane/Thunderbird.

Gmane is also one of the few remaining useful services on the internet
that hasn't tried to monitize its users and is run by a lot of personal
sweat on the part of it's owner.

And no, I'm not still using a 300 baud modem. :-)

reading your post
On 7/7/20 10:09 AM, Frank H. Ellenberger wrote:

Am 07.07.20 um 16:54 schrieb Adrien Monteleone:

If it is dead, we should remove the reference.


It is not really dead, but you can currently only access it by a news
reader. Do you remember that kind of software?

Regards
Frank

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Re: [GNC] Net News

[Adrien Monteleone]

Indeed Usenet lives!

I'm sending this reply via Thunderbird connected to news.gmane.io.

If this works, I think I'll switch away from Mail.app at least for the 
GnuCash lists as I like the thread management better, plus the Reply 
button defaults to reply-list address and I don't have to edit the TO: 
header.


Though I see the compose window is truncating lines to a short length 
rather than flowing freely. (with no preference to fix this in sight)


Regards,
Adrien

On 7/7/20 12:10 PM, Adrien Monteleone wrote:

Well, I’ll be.

I never delved into it after I found out my ISP at the time was dropping their 
server. I wasn’t really using it that much at the time anyway.

And yes, I was using Thunderbird as a reader. (I think it was just Mozilla News 
or something back in ’93)

I also thought Google Groups had been obliterated, but I see it is still up 
indeed.

Thanks!

Regards,
Adrien


On Jul 7, 2020 w28d189, at 12:04 PM, John Ralls  wrote:

The ISP's view of NNTP is just port 119. Does yours really block it? Try this 
in Terminal:
  nc -z news.gmane.io 119
It should respond
  Connection to news.gmane.io port 119 [tcp/nntp] succeeded!

Provided that works you should be able to find a news reader program -- 
Mozilla's Thunderbird mail client used to work for that -- and connect to gmane.

Once upon a time News operated as a store-and-forward service like email and in 
the early days of the commercial internet (soon after the US Department of 
Defense handed control over to the Department of Commerce in 1992) and internet 
service providers became a thing it was common for ISPs to set up News servers 
alongside their mail servers to participate in that. It didn't take long for 
the news to be centralized and it was no longer necessary for ISPs to provide 
it. By the turn of the century the web had taken over the mind share and News 
withered. Many of the old newsgroups live on as Google Groups, e.g. 
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/comp.lang.C and 
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/alt.swedish.chef.bork.bork.bork

*and*
nc -z -u groups.google.com 119
Connection to groups.google.com port 119 [udp/nntp] succeeded!

So if you want to go full retro, you still can.


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Re: [GNC] Gnucash - user: Google result

[Adrien Monteleone]

It seems my mail app added someone’s name a la ‘via gnucash-user’ before the 
list address. It drives me batty some times.

Thus, I didn’t see it clearly.

Apologies for the noise.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Jul 7, 2020 w28d189, at 12:39 PM, D.  wrote:
> 
> Both appear on the list archives.
> 
> https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-user/2020-July/091938.html
> https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-user/2020-July/091939.html

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Re: [GNC] GnuCash list: gmane

[w...@theprescotts.com]

When I started programming, we would mail (US Postal Service) decks of punched 
cards to MIT to be run on their machine. Then they would mail the printed 
output back to us. This was in 1963.

Will 


On 2020 Jul 7, at 07-07 12:31:38, david whiting  wrote:

You beat me to it! I was going to make the same reference. So here's
my contribution: In 1994 I was in Tanzania working at the main
hospital in the country. To send email I think I used a simple text
client and saved emails to a floppy disk. I would then take them over
to the library where the guy who ran the mailserver would copy them to
the server (a 386 running redhat). We would then wait for the Satelife
satellite to pass overhead. We normally had a 10 minute connection
window and he would have to adjust the dish to get the signal right.
Then there would be an agonising wait as we slowly watched each email
transfer. Then to get a reply I would come back the next day.

David

On Tue, 7 Jul 2020 at 18:26, Fred Bone  wrote:
> 
> On 07 July 2020 at 12:09, David Carlson said:
> 
>> Using a 300 baud modem, perhaps?  I had a Radio Shack model 100
> 
> 
> Oooh, we used to *dream* of having 300 baud. We had to send our data one
> bit at a time using Morse code tapped out on an old drainpipe.
> 
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Re: [GNC] Gnucash - user

[Adrien Monteleone]

Agreed, done.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Jul 7, 2020 w28d189, at 12:32 PM, Fred Bone  
> wrote:
> 
> On 07 July 2020 at 11:02, Adrien Monteleone said:
> 
>> The wiki page has been revised with the following:
> [...]
>>  3. Send a ’Subscribe’ command directly to
>>  gnucash-user-requ...@gnucash.org
> 
> It would be more helpful still if it had
> "=subscribe"
> appended to the "mailto:; string in the href


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Re: [GNC] Gnucash - user: Google result

[D. via gnucash-user]

Both appear on the list archives. 

https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-user/2020-July/091938.html
https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-user/2020-July/091939.html





 Original Message 
From: Adrien Monteleone 
Sent: Tue Jul 07 13:32:08 EDT 2020
To: gnucash-user 
Subject: Re: [GNC] Gnucash - user: Google result

The two messages about your changes to the intro text and stub page, and the 
other where you thought those changes were rolled back. (quoted below)

Neither was sent to the list.

Nor was the message I’m replying to.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Jul 7, 2020 w28d189, at 12:15 PM, D.  wrote:
> 
> "those"?
> 
> 
>  Original Message 
> From: Adrien Monteleone 
> Sent: Tue Jul 07 12:53:18 EDT 2020
> To: gnucash-user 
> Subject: Re: [GNC] Gnucash - user: Google result
> 
> I see them still. And they might just do the trick.
> 
> Regards,
> Adrien
> 
> p.s. -you forgot to send those to the list?
> 
>> On Jul 7, 2020 w28d189, at 11:45 AM, D.  wrote:
>> 
>> Looks like I was slow on the uptake, and my changes have been rolled back.
>> 
>> 
>>  Original Message 
>> From: "D. via gnucash-user" 
>> Sent: Tue Jul 07 12:38:09 EDT 2020
>> 
>> I have modified the Mailing lists page (which opens ironically with the 
>> introductory phrase "The Official Forum") to include a brief sentence 
>> explicitly juxtaposing mailing lists from forums, with a new link to a 
>> simple stub page at "GnuCash Forum" that refers back to the mailing lists 
>> page. Perhaps this will short circuit the "gnucash forum" Google search.


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Re: [GNC] GnuCash list: gmane

[Adrien Monteleone]

Now *that* is dedication! It sure beats laden swallows and smoke signals though.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Jul 7, 2020 w28d189, at 12:31 PM, david whiting  
> wrote:
> 
> You beat me to it! I was going to make the same reference. So here's
> my contribution: In 1994 I was in Tanzania working at the main
> hospital in the country. To send email I think I used a simple text
> client and saved emails to a floppy disk. I would then take them over
> to the library where the guy who ran the mailserver would copy them to
> the server (a 386 running redhat). We would then wait for the Satelife
> satellite to pass overhead. We normally had a 10 minute connection
> window and he would have to adjust the dish to get the signal right.
> Then there would be an agonising wait as we slowly watched each email
> transfer. Then to get a reply I would come back the next day.


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Re: [GNC] Gnucash - user

[Fred Bone]

On 07 July 2020 at 11:02, Adrien Monteleone said:

> The wiki page has been revised with the following:
[...]
>   3. Send a ’Subscribe’ command directly to
>   gnucash-user-requ...@gnucash.org

It would be more helpful still if it had
"=subscribe"
appended to the "mailto:; string in the href

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Re: [GNC] Gnucash - user: Google result

[Adrien Monteleone]

The two messages about your changes to the intro text and stub page, and the 
other where you thought those changes were rolled back. (quoted below)

Neither was sent to the list.

Nor was the message I’m replying to.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Jul 7, 2020 w28d189, at 12:15 PM, D.  wrote:
> 
> "those"?
> 
> 
>  Original Message 
> From: Adrien Monteleone 
> Sent: Tue Jul 07 12:53:18 EDT 2020
> To: gnucash-user 
> Subject: Re: [GNC] Gnucash - user: Google result
> 
> I see them still. And they might just do the trick.
> 
> Regards,
> Adrien
> 
> p.s. -you forgot to send those to the list?
> 
>> On Jul 7, 2020 w28d189, at 11:45 AM, D.  wrote:
>> 
>> Looks like I was slow on the uptake, and my changes have been rolled back.
>> 
>> 
>>  Original Message 
>> From: "D. via gnucash-user" 
>> Sent: Tue Jul 07 12:38:09 EDT 2020
>> 
>> I have modified the Mailing lists page (which opens ironically with the 
>> introductory phrase "The Official Forum") to include a brief sentence 
>> explicitly juxtaposing mailing lists from forums, with a new link to a 
>> simple stub page at "GnuCash Forum" that refers back to the mailing lists 
>> page. Perhaps this will short circuit the "gnucash forum" Google search.


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Re: [GNC] GnuCash list: gmane

[david whiting]

You beat me to it! I was going to make the same reference. So here's
my contribution: In 1994 I was in Tanzania working at the main
hospital in the country. To send email I think I used a simple text
client and saved emails to a floppy disk. I would then take them over
to the library where the guy who ran the mailserver would copy them to
the server (a 386 running redhat). We would then wait for the Satelife
satellite to pass overhead. We normally had a 10 minute connection
window and he would have to adjust the dish to get the signal right.
Then there would be an agonising wait as we slowly watched each email
transfer. Then to get a reply I would come back the next day.

David

On Tue, 7 Jul 2020 at 18:26, Fred Bone  wrote:
>
> On 07 July 2020 at 12:09, David Carlson said:
>
> > Using a 300 baud modem, perhaps?  I had a Radio Shack model 100
>
> 
> Oooh, we used to *dream* of having 300 baud. We had to send our data one
> bit at a time using Morse code tapped out on an old drainpipe.
> 
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Re: [GNC] GnuCash list: gmane

[Fred Bone]

On 07 July 2020 at 12:09, David Carlson said:

> Using a 300 baud modem, perhaps?  I had a Radio Shack model 100


Oooh, we used to *dream* of having 300 baud. We had to send our data one 
bit at a time using Morse code tapped out on an old drainpipe.


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Re: [GNC] GnuCash list: gmane

[Adrien Monteleone]

I think I was lucky enough to set up on a 14.4kbps. I thought that was blazing 
fast. (I used to manually write to my printer using my CoCoIII @ 300-2400) My 
eventual bump to 56k was like being a kid in a candy store. Then came AOL and 
very large phone bills! DSL and the web were heaven by comparison. (I’m all 
fiber now!)

I also remember dialing into various BBSs. I think some are still maintained 
believe it or not. (I think someone even figured out to use a BBS with HAM if 
I’m not mistaken)

And I used Gopher in our school and public libraries. (I think Archie too, but 
that is a bit fuzzy, so I might have just been aware of it.)

Regards,
Adrien

> On Jul 7, 2020 w28d189, at 12:09 PM, David Carlson 
>  wrote:
> 
> Using a 300 baud modem, perhaps?  I had a Radio Shack model 100


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Re: [GNC] Gnucash - user: Google result

[D. via gnucash-user]

"those"?


 Original Message 
From: Adrien Monteleone 
Sent: Tue Jul 07 12:53:18 EDT 2020
To: gnucash-user 
Subject: Re: [GNC] Gnucash - user: Google result

I see them still. And they might just do the trick.

Regards,
Adrien

p.s. -you forgot to send those to the list?

> On Jul 7, 2020 w28d189, at 11:45 AM, D.  wrote:
> 
> Looks like I was slow on the uptake, and my changes have been rolled back.
> 
> 
>  Original Message 
> From: "D. via gnucash-user" 
> Sent: Tue Jul 07 12:38:09 EDT 2020
> 
> I have modified the Mailing lists page (which opens ironically with the 
> introductory phrase "The Official Forum") to include a brief sentence 
> explicitly juxtaposing mailing lists from forums, with a new link to a simple 
> stub page at "GnuCash Forum" that refers back to the mailing lists page. 
> Perhaps this will short circuit the "gnucash forum" Google search.

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Re: [GNC] Net News

[Adrien Monteleone]

Well, I’ll be.

I never delved into it after I found out my ISP at the time was dropping their 
server. I wasn’t really using it that much at the time anyway.

And yes, I was using Thunderbird as a reader. (I think it was just Mozilla News 
or something back in ’93)

I also thought Google Groups had been obliterated, but I see it is still up 
indeed.

Thanks!

Regards,
Adrien

> On Jul 7, 2020 w28d189, at 12:04 PM, John Ralls  wrote:
> 
> The ISP's view of NNTP is just port 119. Does yours really block it? Try this 
> in Terminal:
>  nc -z news.gmane.io 119
> It should respond
>  Connection to news.gmane.io port 119 [tcp/nntp] succeeded!
> 
> Provided that works you should be able to find a news reader program -- 
> Mozilla's Thunderbird mail client used to work for that -- and connect to 
> gmane.
> 
> Once upon a time News operated as a store-and-forward service like email and 
> in the early days of the commercial internet (soon after the US Department of 
> Defense handed control over to the Department of Commerce in 1992) and 
> internet service providers became a thing it was common for ISPs to set up 
> News servers alongside their mail servers to participate in that. It didn't 
> take long for the news to be centralized and it was no longer necessary for 
> ISPs to provide it. By the turn of the century the web had taken over the 
> mind share and News withered. Many of the old newsgroups live on as Google 
> Groups, e.g. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/comp.lang.C and 
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/alt.swedish.chef.bork.bork.bork
> 
> *and*
> nc -z -u groups.google.com 119
> Connection to groups.google.com port 119 [udp/nntp] succeeded!
> 
> So if you want to go full retro, you still can.

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Re: [GNC] GnuCash list: gmane

[David Carlson]

Using a 300 baud modem, perhaps?  I had a Radio Shack model 100

On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 11:27 AM Adrien Monteleone <
adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote:

> Yep, those were the days. I first cut my teeth on anything ‘internet’ via
> Usenet, before my first browser experience.
>
> Regards,
> Adrien
>
> > On Jul 7, 2020 w28d189, at 11:09 AM, Frank H. Ellenberger <
> frank.h.ellenber...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Am 07.07.20 um 16:54 schrieb Adrien Monteleone:
> >> If it is dead, we should remove the reference.
> >
> > It is not really dead, but you can currently only access it by a news
> > reader. Do you remember that kind of software?
> >
> > Regards
> > Frank
> >
> >
>
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Re: [GNC] Net News

[John Ralls]

The ISP's view of NNTP is just port 119. Does yours really block it? Try this 
in Terminal:
  nc -z news.gmane.io 119
It should respond
  Connection to news.gmane.io port 119 [tcp/nntp] succeeded!

Provided that works you should be able to find a news reader program -- 
Mozilla's Thunderbird mail client used to work for that -- and connect to gmane.

Once upon a time News operated as a store-and-forward service like email and in 
the early days of the commercial internet (soon after the US Department of 
Defense handed control over to the Department of Commerce in 1992) and internet 
service providers became a thing it was common for ISPs to set up News servers 
alongside their mail servers to participate in that. It didn't take long for 
the news to be centralized and it was no longer necessary for ISPs to provide 
it. By the turn of the century the web had taken over the mind share and News 
withered. Many of the old newsgroups live on as Google Groups, e.g. 
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/comp.lang.C and 
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/alt.swedish.chef.bork.bork.bork

*and*
nc -z -u groups.google.com 119
Connection to groups.google.com port 119 [udp/nntp] succeeded!

So if you want to go full retro, you still can.

Regards,
John Ralls

> On Jul 7, 2020, at 9:11 AM, Adrien Monteleone 
>  wrote:
> 
> I followed the Gmane rabbit hole a bit.
> 
> It seems whomever is the admin is setting up a new server @ news.gmane.io
> 
> They claim they were going to have it up by January, but still no go best I 
> can tell.
> 
> However, it is an NNTP server - a.k.a. Usenet newsgroups.
> 
> Many ISPs have dropped support for NNTP entirely. I know I can’t get it 
> anymore from any local ISP. So it might be up, but I just can’t access it 
> even to see that it is up.
> 
> I’m not sure if it will still somehow interact with mailman or if it is 
> entirely separate.
> 
> Therefore, I won’t remove the reference, but if someone else thinks it best 
> to do so, I certainly won’t complain.
> 
> Regards,
> Adrien
> 
>> On Jul 7, 2020 w28d189, at 9:54 AM, Adrien Monteleone 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> On Jul 7, 2020 w28d189, at 9:34 AM, Fred Bone  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> You could always try clicking on the link. You get a pretty clear message 
>>> to the effect that the address blog.gmane.org doesn't resolve.
>>> 
>>> Trying to visit gmane.org gets me (eventually) an error message from 
>>> Cloudflare. www.gmane.org ditto.
>>> 
>>> If Wikipedia is to be believed, the whole shebang was moved to gmane.io 
>>> but is currently newsreader-only access, hence not useful for anyone 
>>> looking for a "web forum" interface. I suggest removing mention of Gmane, 
>>> or at least adding a warning.
>> 
>> Good point. I hadn’t clicked it in some time, and maybe even then it didn’t 
>> resolve. I don’t recall.
>> 
>> If it is dead, we should remove the reference.
> 
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Re: [GNC] Gnucash - user

[Adrien Monteleone]

Frank,

Thanks for reformatting. That is much better than what I started with.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Jul 7, 2020 w28d189, at 11:02 AM, Adrien Monteleone 
>  wrote:
> 
> The wiki page has been revised with the following:
> 
> 1. A sub-section with ’To Subscribe’ in bold so it will stand out.
> 
> 2. A list of three methods to subscribe which are:
> 
>  1. Click the desired list in the ‘Existing Lists’ chart shown higher up the 
> page. (with an internal link to that section)
>  2. Directions (with screenshots) to go to the GnuCash Mailman Server and 
> pick a list
> then fill out the subscription form resulting from either click in 1 or 2
>  3. Send a ’Subscribe’ command directly to gnucash-user-requ...@gnucash.org
> 
> Regards,
> Adrien


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Re: [GNC] Gnucash - user: Google result

[Adrien Monteleone]

I see them still. And they might just do the trick.

Regards,
Adrien

p.s. -you forgot to send those to the list?

> On Jul 7, 2020 w28d189, at 11:45 AM, D.  wrote:
> 
> Looks like I was slow on the uptake, and my changes have been rolled back.
> 
> 
>  Original Message 
> From: "D. via gnucash-user" 
> Sent: Tue Jul 07 12:38:09 EDT 2020
> 
> I have modified the Mailing lists page (which opens ironically with the 
> introductory phrase "The Official Forum") to include a brief sentence 
> explicitly juxtaposing mailing lists from forums, with a new link to a simple 
> stub page at "GnuCash Forum" that refers back to the mailing lists page. 
> Perhaps this will short circuit the "gnucash forum" Google search.

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Re: [GNC] Gnucash - user: Google result

[D. via gnucash-user]

Looks like I was slow on the uptake, and my changes have been rolled back. 


 Original Message 
From: "D. via gnucash-user" 
Sent: Tue Jul 07 12:38:09 EDT 2020
To: Adrien Monteleone 
Cc: David Reiser via gnucash-user 
Subject: Re: [GNC] Gnucash - user: Google result

I have modified the Mailing lists page (which opens ironically with the 
introductory phrase "The Official Forum") to include a brief sentence 
explicitly juxtaposing mailing lists from forums, with a new link to a simple 
stub page at "GnuCash Forum" that refers back to the mailing lists page. 
Perhaps this will short circuit the "gnucash forum" Google search. 


 Original Message 
From: Adrien Monteleone 
Sent: Tue Jul 07 11:14:46 EDT 2020
To: gnucash-user 
Subject: Re: [GNC] Gnucash - user: Google result

Maybe so!

Maybe retitle the Mailman page that way?

Either or both might work eventually. (and you can ask various engines to 
re-index though they usually do so fairly often anyway)

Possibly set the excerpt text of the other official hits to include ‘forum’ 
somewhere.

Or just let it ride...

Regards,
Adrien

> On Jul 7, 2020 w28d189, at 10:06 AM, Derek Atkins  wrote:
> 
> We could make a Wiki page with the title "GnuCash Forum"  :-D
> 
> -derek


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Re: [GNC] Gnucash - user: Google result

[D. via gnucash-user]

I have modified the Mailing lists page (which opens ironically with the 
introductory phrase "The Official Forum") to include a brief sentence 
explicitly juxtaposing mailing lists from forums, with a new link to a simple 
stub page at "GnuCash Forum" that refers back to the mailing lists page. 
Perhaps this will short circuit the "gnucash forum" Google search. 


 Original Message 
From: Adrien Monteleone 
Sent: Tue Jul 07 11:14:46 EDT 2020
To: gnucash-user 
Subject: Re: [GNC] Gnucash - user: Google result

Maybe so!

Maybe retitle the Mailman page that way?

Either or both might work eventually. (and you can ask various engines to 
re-index though they usually do so fairly often anyway)

Possibly set the excerpt text of the other official hits to include ‘forum’ 
somewhere.

Or just let it ride...

Regards,
Adrien

> On Jul 7, 2020 w28d189, at 10:06 AM, Derek Atkins  wrote:
> 
> We could make a Wiki page with the title "GnuCash Forum"  :-D
> 
> -derek


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Re: [GNC] GnuCash list: gmane

[Adrien Monteleone]

Yep, those were the days. I first cut my teeth on anything ‘internet’ via 
Usenet, before my first browser experience.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Jul 7, 2020 w28d189, at 11:09 AM, Frank H. Ellenberger 
>  wrote:
> 
> Am 07.07.20 um 16:54 schrieb Adrien Monteleone:
>> If it is dead, we should remove the reference.
> 
> It is not really dead, but you can currently only access it by a news
> reader. Do you remember that kind of software?
> 
> Regards
> Frank
> 
> 


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Re: [GNC] GnuCash list

[Adrien Monteleone]

I followed the Gmane rabbit hole a bit.

It seems whomever is the admin is setting up a new server @ news.gmane.io

They claim they were going to have it up by January, but still no go best I can 
tell.

However, it is an NNTP server - a.k.a. Usenet newsgroups.

Many ISPs have dropped support for NNTP entirely. I know I can’t get it anymore 
from any local ISP. So it might be up, but I just can’t access it even to see 
that it is up.

I’m not sure if it will still somehow interact with mailman or if it is 
entirely separate.

Therefore, I won’t remove the reference, but if someone else thinks it best to 
do so, I certainly won’t complain.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Jul 7, 2020 w28d189, at 9:54 AM, Adrien Monteleone 
>  wrote:
> 
>> On Jul 7, 2020 w28d189, at 9:34 AM, Fred Bone  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> You could always try clicking on the link. You get a pretty clear message 
>> to the effect that the address blog.gmane.org doesn't resolve.
>> 
>> Trying to visit gmane.org gets me (eventually) an error message from 
>> Cloudflare. www.gmane.org ditto.
>> 
>> If Wikipedia is to be believed, the whole shebang was moved to gmane.io 
>> but is currently newsreader-only access, hence not useful for anyone 
>> looking for a "web forum" interface. I suggest removing mention of Gmane, 
>> or at least adding a warning.
> 
> Good point. I hadn’t clicked it in some time, and maybe even then it didn’t 
> resolve. I don’t recall.
> 
> If it is dead, we should remove the reference.

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Re: [GNC] GnuCash list: gmane

[Frank H. Ellenberger]

Am 07.07.20 um 16:54 schrieb Adrien Monteleone:
> If it is dead, we should remove the reference.

It is not really dead, but you can currently only access it by a news
reader. Do you remember that kind of software?

Regards
Frank

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Re: [GNC] GnuCash list

[Adrien Monteleone]

use this:

site:lists.gnucash.org search terms

to search *only* the mailing list server for ’search terms’

in your favorite search engine. (I think DuckDuckGo uses a ‘!’ syntax, you’d 
have to research)

Regards,
Adrien

> On Jul 7, 2020 w28d189, at 10:34 AM, Bruce Olson via gnucash-user 
>  wrote:
> 
> This email string exists on Nabble and is current. I was able to search and 
> find it, but I didn’t try posting directly to Nabble. I have a separate 
> account and password for that. I have posted directly to Nabble for some time.
> I originally joined Nabble not knowing better for the reasons stated before 
> and then later joined the list.
> I prefer the list without ads but need to have a good way to search topics so 
> I don’t ask questions that have been asked before.


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Re: [GNC] Gnucash - user

[Adrien Monteleone]

I saw that. It might do the trick.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Jul 7, 2020 w28d189, at 10:25 AM, Frank H. Ellenberger 
>  wrote:
> 
> Am 07.07.20 um 16:26 schrieb David Carlson:
>> There has not been much warning lately about the actually very common
>> phishing technique of getting the malefactors ' webpage listing above the
>> legitimate webpage listing in searches.  David, your observation is keen.
> 
> yep. The funny side with LANGUAGE=de:… I get
> 1. https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/De/FAQ containing "E-Mail-Forum"
> 2. https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Getting_Help with
> "Stack Exchange includes a forum"
> 3. nabble
> 
> So I have added "The Official Forum" to MAiling_Lists and
> created https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Forum
> 
> Let's watch the result the next days.


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Re: [GNC] Gnucash - user: Google result

[Adrien Monteleone]

I suppose I’ll test it out soon enough and we’ll find out!

Regards,
Adrien

> On Jul 7, 2020 w28d189, at 10:26 AM, David Reiser  wrote:
> 
> And to make matters more confusing, those two options aren’t exclusive. Both 
> are checked in my Edit>Attachments pop-out. I think  I viewed the 
> “windows-friendly” as preventing resource forks  in the old days and possibly 
> managing file name character sets at some point since then.
> 
> The annoying part of the “always at the end” doesn’t necessarily preclude 
> such an attachment from still being officially an inline inclusion, just that 
> it’s placed at the end.


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Re: [GNC] Gnucash - user

[Adrien Monteleone]

The wiki page has been revised with the following:

1. A sub-section with ’To Subscribe’ in bold so it will stand out.

2. A list of three methods to subscribe which are:

  1. Click the desired list in the ‘Existing Lists’ chart shown higher up the 
page. (with an internal link to that section)
  2. Directions (with screenshots) to go to the GnuCash Mailman Server and pick 
a list
 then fill out the subscription form resulting from either click in 1 or 2
  3. Send a ’Subscribe’ command directly to gnucash-user-requ...@gnucash.org

Regards,
Adrien


> On Jul 7, 2020 w28d189, at 8:27 AM, Adrien Monteleone 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Frank, I’ll get those added today.


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Re: [GNC] Gnucash - user: Google result

[Art Chimes]

For What It's Worth Dept:

Although I use "google" as a verb all the time, in fact my default
search tool is the more privacy-centered DuckDuckGo
(https://duckduckgo.com). My search for gnucash forums (just the two
words, no quotes) came up with rather different results. Here are the
top five

https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Getting_Help
https://gnucash.org
https://www.accountantforums.com/threads/gnucash.38936/
https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user
https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1750837

I scrolled down several screens and encountered more links to
gnucash.org and other reasonably legit sites, but no hits at all on
nabble, though it possibly showed up farther down the list.

Art in Arlington, Virginia
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Re: [GNC] GnuCash list

[Bruce Olson via gnucash-user]

This email string exists on Nabble and is current. I was able to search and 
find it, but I didn’t try posting directly to Nabble. I have a separate account 
and password for that. I have posted directly to Nabble for some time.
I originally joined Nabble not knowing better for the reasons stated before and 
then later joined the list.
I prefer the list without ads but need to have a good way to search topics so I 
don’t ask questions that have been asked before.

Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Tuesday, July 7, 2020, 7:59 AM, GTI .H  wrote:

Nabble no longer works, at least for the GnuCash list.

I'm not sure to say, but I have enough to abandon my searches on Nabble.


--
Regards


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Re: [GNC] Gnucash - user: Google result

[David Reiser via gnucash-user]

And to make matters more confusing, those two options aren’t exclusive. Both 
are checked in my Edit>Attachments pop-out. I think  I viewed the 
“windows-friendly” as preventing resource forks  in the old days and possibly 
managing file name character sets at some point since then.

The annoying part of the “always at the end” doesn’t necessarily preclude such 
an attachment from still being officially an inline inclusion, just that it’s 
placed at the end.
--
Dave Reiser
dbrei...@icloud.com





> On Jul 7, 2020, at 11:11 AM, Adrien Monteleone 
>  wrote:
> 
> Sure enough, it seems the last update set me to ‘Always Send Windows-Friendly 
> Attachments’ instead of ‘Always Insert Attachments at End of Message’. (I 
> don’t recall where the preference was originally when I set it years ago. It 
> is now in Edit > Attachments instead of in Mail > Preferences where Apple’s 
> own guidelines say it should go, but I guess they get to violate their own 
> rules.)
> 
> This is an example of good case for not setting a new default preference on a 
> software update!
> 
> Hope anyone using Mail.app with the same problem finds this...
> 
> Regards,
> Adrien
> 
>> On Jul 7, 2020 w28d189, at 10:01 AM, Adrien Monteleone 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Nope, it was an attachment. (or supposed to be) I made sure to put it at the 
>> end, and my mail.app is set to ‘attach’ rather than ‘inline’. I confess, 
>> mail.app could have done what it wanted though. It wouldn’t be the first 
>> time.
>> 
>> But here is the URL: 
>> https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-user/2015-January/057812.html
>> 
>> Note my followup message that I realized this is a hit from a list topic 
>> with that term, so there isn’t likely anything to be done about it.
> 
> 

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Re: [GNC] Gnucash - user

[Frank H. Ellenberger]

Am 07.07.20 um 16:26 schrieb David Carlson:
> There has not been much warning lately about the actually very common
> phishing technique of getting the malefactors ' webpage listing above the
> legitimate webpage listing in searches.  David, your observation is keen.

yep. The funny side with LANGUAGE=de:… I get
1. https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/De/FAQ containing "E-Mail-Forum"
2. https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Getting_Help with
"Stack Exchange includes a forum"
3. nabble

So I have added "The Official Forum" to MAiling_Lists and
created https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Forum

Let's watch the result the next days.

Regards
Frank

> On Tue, Jul 7, 2020, 9:15 AM david whiting  wrote:
> 
>> If you do a google search for "gnucash forum" the top two hits are results
>> from nabble. If you click on either one of these you'll see the
>> login/register link top left that sign you up to nabble.
>>
>> Perhaps this is how some people think that this is the correct way to sign
>> up. They are doing something that is normal these days, a google search for
>> what they want to find (gnucash forum) and aren't aware of the subtle
>> difference between using nabble and signing up to the mailing list. There's
>> a very good chance they won't get close to the wiki so perhaps it will make
>> no difference how clearly it is described in the wiki.
>>
>> See attached.
>>
>> David
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Re: [GNC] Gnucash - user: Google result

[Adrien Monteleone]

Maybe so!

Maybe retitle the Mailman page that way?

Either or both might work eventually. (and you can ask various engines to 
re-index though they usually do so fairly often anyway)

Possibly set the excerpt text of the other official hits to include ‘forum’ 
somewhere.

Or just let it ride...

Regards,
Adrien

> On Jul 7, 2020 w28d189, at 10:06 AM, Derek Atkins  wrote:
> 
> We could make a Wiki page with the title "GnuCash Forum"  :-D
> 
> -derek


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Re: [GNC] Gnucash - user: Google result

[Adrien Monteleone]

Sure enough, it seems the last update set me to ‘Always Send Windows-Friendly 
Attachments’ instead of ‘Always Insert Attachments at End of Message’. (I don’t 
recall where the preference was originally when I set it years ago. It is now 
in Edit > Attachments instead of in Mail > Preferences where Apple’s own 
guidelines say it should go, but I guess they get to violate their own rules.)

This is an example of good case for not setting a new default preference on a 
software update!

Hope anyone using Mail.app with the same problem finds this...

Regards,
Adrien

> On Jul 7, 2020 w28d189, at 10:01 AM, Adrien Monteleone 
>  wrote:
> 
> Nope, it was an attachment. (or supposed to be) I made sure to put it at the 
> end, and my mail.app is set to ‘attach’ rather than ‘inline’. I confess, 
> mail.app could have done what it wanted though. It wouldn’t be the first time.
> 
> But here is the URL: 
> https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-user/2015-January/057812.html
> 
> Note my followup message that I realized this is a hit from a list topic with 
> that term, so there isn’t likely anything to be done about it.


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Re: [GNC] Gnucash - user: Google result

[Derek Atkins]

We could make a Wiki page with the title "GnuCash Forum"  :-D

-derek

On Tue, July 7, 2020 11:01 am, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
> Nope, it was an attachment. (or supposed to be) I made sure to put it at
> the end, and my mail.app is set to ‘attach’ rather than ‘inline’. I
> confess, mail.app could have done what it wanted though. It wouldn’t be
> the first time.
>
> But here is the URL:
> https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-user/2015-January/057812.html
>
> Note my followup message that I realized this is a hit from a list topic
> with that term, so there isn’t likely anything to be done about it.
>
> Regards,
> Adrien
>
>
>> On Jul 7, 2020 w28d189, at 9:56 AM, Derek Atkins 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Any attachment you may have sent was eaten by the list; it was probably
>> an
>> HTML-embedded image and not an actual "attachment"?
>>
>>
>> URL?
>
>
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Re: [GNC] Gnucash - user: Google result

[Adrien Monteleone]

Nope, it was an attachment. (or supposed to be) I made sure to put it at the 
end, and my mail.app is set to ‘attach’ rather than ‘inline’. I confess, 
mail.app could have done what it wanted though. It wouldn’t be the first time.

But here is the URL: 
https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-user/2015-January/057812.html

Note my followup message that I realized this is a hit from a list topic with 
that term, so there isn’t likely anything to be done about it.

Regards,
Adrien


> On Jul 7, 2020 w28d189, at 9:56 AM, Derek Atkins  wrote:
> 
> Any attachment you may have sent was eaten by the list; it was probably an
> HTML-embedded image and not an actual "attachment"?
> 
> 
> URL?


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Re: [GNC] GnuCash list

[GTI .H]

Nabble no longer works, at least for the GnuCash list.

I'm not sure to say, but I have enough to abandon my searches on Nabble.


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Regards

Em ter., 7 de jul. de 2020 às 08:00,  escreveu:

> *I'm responding to the below post...*
>
> "Liz, I tried to respond to a posting by David Cousens [via GnuCash] and it
> was rejected by Nabble. Could you pass on the following -
>
> I have also tried to contact Hugo a number of times. In frustration I have
> used a different email address and name and registered again following the
> instructions on the gnucashe wiki. I have the same problem. I do not unders
> tand the difference between posting
>  on the Gnucash list vs posting by Nabble - certainly following the wiki in
> structions forces you to use Nabble. as soon as you register you are sent
> an
> email to click on and it takes you to the Nabble subscribe form. I
> am very confused and would love a simple
>  process that worked like a normal forum without having to go through
> hoops"
>
> *I would have responded earlier, however, I experienced the exact same
> situation as Adrian. I've been a participant on the GnuCash list for YEARS,
> and all of a sudden through nabble I was/am no longer able to post or reply
> to the list.  I also get NO RESPONSE from the infamous "Hugo" whoever
> s/he/it is... very frustrating.  I just joined the list directly, but I too
> am totally confused.*
>
> *Anyway, fyi and fwiw...*
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Re: [GNC] Gnucash - user: Google result

[Derek Atkins]

Adrien,

On Tue, July 7, 2020 10:34 am, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
[snip]

> 3 - 5 (see attachment)

Any attachment you may have sent was eaten by the list; it was probably an
HTML-embedded image and not an actual "attachment"?

> #4 - THIS is a problem. That can be fixed by our webmaster. The page title
> apparently is ‘UNOFFICIAL GnuCash Forum’. (emphasis mine) That is going to
> turn people away from clicking.

URL?

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Re: [GNC] Gnucash - user

[Adrien Monteleone]

Understood, thanks for all you do.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Jul 7, 2020 w28d189, at 9:52 AM, Derek Atkins  wrote:
> 
> 
> It's a time and infrastructure question.
> 
> First I need the time to upgrade code to a newer OS that contains MM3.
> 
> Then I need to spend the time to get MM3 configured.
> 
> Then I need to spend the time to migrate from MM2 -> MM3, which includes
> testing the migration and making sure it all works.  Once I migrate ONE
> list then I should be able to migrate the others.
> 
> Unfortunately it's not something that can be delegated.


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Re: [GNC] GnuCash list

[Adrien Monteleone]

> On Jul 7, 2020 w28d189, at 9:34 AM, Fred Bone  
> wrote:
> 
> You could always try clicking on the link. You get a pretty clear message 
> to the effect that the address blog.gmane.org doesn't resolve.
> 
> Trying to visit gmane.org gets me (eventually) an error message from 
> Cloudflare. www.gmane.org ditto.
> 
> If Wikipedia is to be believed, the whole shebang was moved to gmane.io 
> but is currently newsreader-only access, hence not useful for anyone 
> looking for a "web forum" interface. I suggest removing mention of Gmane, 
> or at least adding a warning.

Good point. I hadn’t clicked it in some time, and maybe even then it didn’t 
resolve. I don’t recall.

If it is dead, we should remove the reference.

> 
> (What mystifies me is why people go looking for a "forum" in the first 
> place).

It’s not uncommon in the opensource world, especially people who got started 
there with linux, particularly Ubuntu.

Looking for ‘forum’ seems to be the only way to get the nabble results ranked 
high. Searching for ‘help’ or ’support’ even with ‘user’ as a term gets mostly 
gnucash.org based links. (and none from Nabble)

Regards,
Adrien
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Re: [GNC] Gnucash - user

[Derek Atkins]

Hi,

On Tue, July 7, 2020 10:09 am, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
> Derek,
>
> Is there any assistance needed to make that migration or is this more of
> an infrastructure question?

It's a time and infrastructure question.

First I need the time to upgrade code to a newer OS that contains MM3.

Then I need to spend the time to get MM3 configured.

Then I need to spend the time to migrate from MM2 -> MM3, which includes
testing the migration and making sure it all works.  Once I migrate ONE
list then I should be able to migrate the others.

Unfortunately it's not something that can be delegated.

> Regards,
> Adrien

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Re: [GNC] Gnucash - user: Google result

[Adrien Monteleone]

Crud.

I realize now the ‘unofficial’ link is to an old (2015) list topic using that 
link title. That can’t easily be changed and maybe should not be.

The only way out then is trying to rank higher with more relevant page content. 
(like ‘Official GnuCash Forum’ maybe, I don’t know)

Regards,
Adrien

> On Jul 7, 2020 w28d189, at 9:34 AM, Adrien Monteleone 
>  wrote:
> 
> #4 - THIS is a problem. That can be fixed by our webmaster. The page title 
> apparently is ‘UNOFFICIAL GnuCash Forum’. (emphasis mine) That is going to 
> turn people away from clicking.
> 
> Some creative page titling, meta, and in-page text might help here, though 
> there is no guarantee. Of course, some things need to be corrected like the 
> ‘unofficial’ text. That has to go.

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Re: [GNC] Gnucash - user

[Adrien Monteleone]

I’ll add the command option while adding the screenshots, thanks.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Jul 7, 2020 w28d189, at 9:18 AM, Fred Bone  
> wrote:
> 
> On 07 July 2020 at 8:00, Adrien Monteleone said:
> 
>> I just added an explicit instruction in the Mailing List Membership
>> section of https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists directing readers
>> to https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo, click the desired list, and
>> fill out the “Subscribing to” form.
>> 
>> I would have added annotated screenshots for additional clarity, but it
>> seems I don’t have upload privileges. The text should be pretty clear
>> anyway.
>> 
>> I can see that not having this direction in that section seemed to leave
>> one hanging as to exactly how to ‘join’ after explaining ‘why one
>> should'. (the next section immediately talks of ‘unsubscribing’ though
>> it isn’t much of a leap to figure things out)
> 
> Indeed, but is there a good reason *not* to also include something along 
> the lines of:
> "To subscribe, send a blank email to gnucash-user-requ...@gnucash.org 
> with subject 'subscribe'"?

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Re: [GNC] GnuCash list

[Fred Bone]

On 07 July 2020 at 9:08, Adrien Monteleone said:

[...]
> also mentions ‘Gmane’ but I don’t know if
> that is still active, or if its users simply manage not to have problems
> so we don’t hear about them.)

You could always try clicking on the link. You get a pretty clear message 
to the effect that the address blog.gmane.org doesn't resolve.

Trying to visit gmane.org gets me (eventually) an error message from 
Cloudflare. www.gmane.org ditto.

If Wikipedia is to be believed, the whole shebang was moved to gmane.io 
but is currently newsreader-only access, hence not useful for anyone 
looking for a "web forum" interface. I suggest removing mention of Gmane, 
or at least adding a warning.

(What mystifies me is why people go looking for a "forum" in the first 
place).

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Re: [GNC] Gnucash - user: Google result

[Adrien Monteleone]

I think David Whiting is on the right track.

People aren’t likely to search for ‘user list gnucash’ or anything ‘user list’.

They’ll search for ‘gnucash forum’, and then they’ll get Nabble results at the 
top. (and yes, ≈99.9% of people do not read past the first few results, 
much less the next page - Google makes billions off this fact, with the SEO 
industry in tow)

I did my own searches, here are the results:

Google (99%+ of search market)
--
1 & 2 same as David’s results
3 - 5 (see attachment)
#4 - THIS is a problem. That can be fixed by our webmaster. The page title 
apparently is ‘UNOFFICIAL GnuCash Forum’. (emphasis mine) That is going to turn 
people away from clicking.

Bing

1. gnucash.org
2. wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Getting_Help
3 - 4 (other forums discussing GnuCash)
5. ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1750837 (topic contains both the list 
*and* nabble references, unfortunately)

Yahoo
-
*exactly* the same as Bing!?

DuckDuckGo
--
1. gnucash.org
2. wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Getting_Help
3. lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user
4+ then same as Bing for a few, then more of their own results.

StartPage
-
1. wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Getting_Help
2. wiki.gnucash.org/
3. gnucash.1415818.n4.nabble.com/ (text says: “GnuCash forum. ...”)
4. ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1750837 (same thread as Bing)

Some creative page titling, meta, and in-page text might help here, though 
there is no guarantee. Of course, some things need to be corrected like the 
‘unofficial’ text. That has to go.


Regards,
Adrien

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Re: [GNC] Gnucash - user: Google result

[david whiting]

It they are googling "gnucash forum" as noted in the other thread.

David


On Tue, 7 Jul 2020, 15:14 Frank H. Ellenberger, <
frank.h.ellenber...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Am 07.07.20 um 15:36 schrieb Derek Atkins:
> > This has *me* confused.  If you subscribe via any link at
> > https://lists.gnucash.org/ then I do not see how you could get an email
> > that would link to Nabble.  It sounds like you went in via Nabble the
> > first time and tried to "subscribe" via Nabble.
>
> If I google "user list gnucash" (the result depends on the LANGUAGE
> preference list in your browser settings, your google history, ...) I get:
>
> 1. https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists
> 2. https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user
> 3. https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo
>
> 4. http://gnucash.1415818.n4.nabble.com/GnuCash-User-f1415819.html
> 5. http://gnucash.1415818.n4.nabble.com/GnuCash-user-list-td4695094.html
>
> Either some users are ignoring the first results or they get the result
> in a different order.
>
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Re: [GNC] Gnucash - user

[David Carlson]

There has not been much warning lately about the actually very common
phishing technique of getting the malefactors ' webpage listing above the
legitimate webpage listing in searches.  David, your observation is keen.

On Tue, Jul 7, 2020, 9:15 AM david whiting  wrote:

> If you do a google search for "gnucash forum" the top two hits are results
> from nabble. If you click on either one of these you'll see the
> login/register link top left that sign you up to nabble.
>
> Perhaps this is how some people think that this is the correct way to sign
> up. They are doing something that is normal these days, a google search for
> what they want to find (gnucash forum) and aren't aware of the subtle
> difference between using nabble and signing up to the mailing list. There's
> a very good chance they won't get close to the wiki so perhaps it will make
> no difference how clearly it is described in the wiki.
>
> See attached.
>
> David
>
> On Tue, 7 Jul 2020, 14:37 Derek Atkins,  wrote:
>
> > Dear Adrian,
> >
> > On Tue, July 7, 2020 2:46 am, Adrian Holbrook wrote:
> > > Liz, I tried to respond to a posting by David Cousens [via GnuCash] and
> > it
> > > was rejected by Nabble. Could you pass on the following -
> >
> > Instead of responding via Nabble, you should just respond via Email.
> >
> > > I have also tried to contact Hugo a number of times. In frustration I
> > have
> > > used a different email address and name and registered again following
> > the
> > > instructions on the gnucashe wiki. I have the same problem. I do not
> > > unders
> > > tand the difference between posting
> > >  on the Gnucash list vs posting by Nabble - certainly following the
> wiki
> > > in
> > > structions forces you to use Nabble. as soon as you register you are
> sent
> > > an
> > > email to click on and it takes you to the Nabble subscribe form.
> >
> > This has *me* confused.  If you subscribe via any link at
> > https://lists.gnucash.org/ then I do not see how you could get an email
> > that would link to Nabble.  It sounds like you went in via Nabble the
> > first time and tried to "subscribe" via Nabble.
> >
> > > I
> > > am very confused and would love a simple
> > >  process that worked like a normal forum without having to go through
> > > hoops
> >
> > The GnuCash lists are, currently, just that: email lists.
> >
> > The GnuCash mailing lists do not have a forum or any supported forum-like
> > interface.  Nabble, a 3rd-party service, tries to present that, but as
> > you've seen they appear to be having... issues..
> >
> > This will change when (if) we migrate to mailman3, which includes the
> > "hyperkitty" forum-like interface, but at this point in time we do not
> > have a timeline for when this will happen.
> >
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> >
> > -derek
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Re: [GNC] Gnucash - user

[Fred Bone]

On 07 July 2020 at 8:00, Adrien Monteleone said:

> I just added an explicit instruction in the Mailing List Membership
> section of https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists directing readers
> to https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo, click the desired list, and
> fill out the “Subscribing to” form.
> 
> I would have added annotated screenshots for additional clarity, but it
> seems I don’t have upload privileges. The text should be pretty clear
> anyway.
> 
> I can see that not having this direction in that section seemed to leave
> one hanging as to exactly how to ‘join’ after explaining ‘why one
> should'. (the next section immediately talks of ‘unsubscribing’ though
> it isn’t much of a leap to figure things out)

Indeed, but is there a good reason *not* to also include something along 
the lines of:
"To subscribe, send a blank email to gnucash-user-requ...@gnucash.org 
with subject 'subscribe'"?


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Re: [GNC] Gnucash - user: Google result

[Frank H. Ellenberger]

Hi,

Am 07.07.20 um 15:36 schrieb Derek Atkins:
> This has *me* confused.  If you subscribe via any link at
> https://lists.gnucash.org/ then I do not see how you could get an email
> that would link to Nabble.  It sounds like you went in via Nabble the
> first time and tried to "subscribe" via Nabble.

If I google "user list gnucash" (the result depends on the LANGUAGE
preference list in your browser settings, your google history, ...) I get:

1. https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists
2. https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user
3. https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo

4. http://gnucash.1415818.n4.nabble.com/GnuCash-User-f1415819.html
5. http://gnucash.1415818.n4.nabble.com/GnuCash-user-list-td4695094.html

Either some users are ignoring the first results or they get the result
in a different order.

Regards
Frank
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Re: [GNC] Gnucash - user

[Adrien Monteleone]

Derek,

Is there any assistance needed to make that migration or is this more of an 
infrastructure question?

Regards,
Adrien

> On Jul 7, 2020 w28d189, at 8:36 AM, Derek Atkins  wrote:
> 
> The GnuCash lists are, currently, just that: email lists.
> 
> The GnuCash mailing lists do not have a forum or any supported forum-like
> interface.  Nabble, a 3rd-party service, tries to present that, but as
> you've seen they appear to be having... issues..
> 
> This will change when (if) we migrate to mailman3, which includes the
> "hyperkitty" forum-like interface, but at this point in time we do not
> have a timeline for when this will happen.
> 


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Re: [GNC] GnuCash list

[Adrien Monteleone]

Hanlon’s razor might be a bit harsh, but it could simply be a PEBKAC issue.

We still haven’t found out how some users are apparently thinking they need 
Nabble, at least not through the GnuCash wiki.

(yes, the wiki page mentions it, but doesn’t encourage its use, and the 
reference is how to avoid problems *if* you use it, certainly not that you have 
to or need to. It also mentions ‘Gmane’ but I don’t know if that is still 
active, or if its users simply manage not to have problems so we don’t hear 
about them.)

I suppose Nabble could be nefarious. Some companies have done much worse and 
with a more intricate scheme.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Jul 7, 2020 w28d189, at 8:53 AM, Greg Feneis  wrote:
> 
> Not familiar with Nabble, but what if...
> 
> ...A user gives over their GnuCash email list credentials to Nabble at some
> early stage, thinking they're just doing what's required to be on the list
> (a Nabble-sent email with instructions, like a phishing scheme) and Nabble
> takes that info and alters the user's list settings and perhaps password,
> so it eventually seems to the user that the only way the user can access
> the list is through Nabble?
> 
> For this to work, the Nabble bot would need its own account on the list and
> that account would have to get a notification every time a new user joins
> (don't even know if that's possible), or somehow monitor the list's
> activity just enough to detect when new users join the list.
> 
> Something like this might explain why ppl claim various issues with normal
> list interaction + claim they can only read and work with the list through
> Nabble.

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Re: [GNC] Gnucash - user

[Adrian Holbrook]

Thanks for all the advice - Nabble is no longer going to be used by me. I
really thought it was an inherent part of the Gnucash approach but I am
happy to part with it.




On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 2:36 PM Derek Atkins  wrote:

> Dear Adrian,
>
> On Tue, July 7, 2020 2:46 am, Adrian Holbrook wrote:
> > Liz, I tried to respond to a posting by David Cousens [via GnuCash] and
> it
> > was rejected by Nabble. Could you pass on the following -
>
> Instead of responding via Nabble, you should just respond via Email.
>
> > I have also tried to contact Hugo a number of times. In frustration I
> have
> > used a different email address and name and registered again following
> the
> > instructions on the gnucashe wiki. I have the same problem. I do not
> > unders
> > tand the difference between posting
> >  on the Gnucash list vs posting by Nabble - certainly following the wiki
> > in
> > structions forces you to use Nabble. as soon as you register you are sent
> > an
> > email to click on and it takes you to the Nabble subscribe form.
>
> This has *me* confused.  If you subscribe via any link at
> https://lists.gnucash.org/ then I do not see how you could get an email
> that would link to Nabble.  It sounds like you went in via Nabble the
> first time and tried to "subscribe" via Nabble.
>
> > I
> > am very confused and would love a simple
> >  process that worked like a normal forum without having to go through
> > hoops
>
> The GnuCash lists are, currently, just that: email lists.
>
> The GnuCash mailing lists do not have a forum or any supported forum-like
> interface.  Nabble, a 3rd-party service, tries to present that, but as
> you've seen they appear to be having... issues..
>
> This will change when (if) we migrate to mailman3, which includes the
> "hyperkitty" forum-like interface, but at this point in time we do not
> have a timeline for when this will happen.
>
> > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies.
> > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
>
> -derek
>
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Re: [GNC] Alpha Vantage problems

[Adrian Holbrook]

Thanks fo the advice. I was going to download the alpphvantage addon for
Excel but instead used gnc-fq-dump. I can get all the NYSE stocks but
nothing off the LSE using the suffix .L. Fails every time;.


Adrian


On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 12:01 PM Chris Good  wrote:

> Hi Adrian, how are you getting quotes from excel? Have you got your
> alphavantage API key specified in GnuCash preferences?
>
> I suggest the next stage would be to test each of the stocks you want to
> use Alphavantage for, with gnc-fq-dump.
>
> Regards, Chris Good
>
> On Tue., 7 Jul. 2020, 7:39 pm Adrian Holbrook, 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Chris, I think my installation of Finance;;Quote is working fine
>> as I get quotes from other sources such as Morningstar and Yahoo JSON
>> without any problem. I think it must be an Alphavantage problem and the
>> next stage is to try and get quotes using excel and see if that works.  In
>> the short term I have changed my source to Yahoo JSON and that is working.
>> I would just like to be able to get Alphavantage working as well so that if
>> one fails I have a backup source.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Adrian
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 9:10 AM Chris Good  wrote:
>>
>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2020 07:58:33 +0100
>>> From: Adrian Holbrook 
>>> To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
>>> Subject: [GNC] Alpha Vantage problems
>>> Message-ID:
>>> >> a...@mail.gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>>
>>> I have been using Alphvantage for about a year now to get quotes without
>>> any
>>> problems - I had to add in the 15 second delay that was suggested to
>>> stop it
>>> failing - but since then it has been 100% reliable. I normally download
>>> around 50 prices at a time about once a week. The last successful
>>> download
>>> was on June 12th and since then all attempts have failed.
>>>
>>> All my shares are on the LSE. I have not checked trying to get quotes
>>> from
>>> NYSE but that would be my next test.
>>> I am using Gnucash 4.0 and Finance::Quote 1.49
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Adrian
>>>
>>> Hi Adrian,
>>>
>>> Please follow instructions at
>>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Online_Quotes#Trouble_Shooting
>>>
>>> Regards, Chris Good
>>>
>>>
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Re: [GNC] GnuCash list

[Greg Feneis]

Not familiar with Nabble, but what if...

...A user gives over their GnuCash email list credentials to Nabble at some
early stage, thinking they're just doing what's required to be on the list
(a Nabble-sent email with instructions, like a phishing scheme) and Nabble
takes that info and alters the user's list settings and perhaps password,
so it eventually seems to the user that the only way the user can access
the list is through Nabble?

For this to work, the Nabble bot would need its own account on the list and
that account would have to get a notification every time a new user joins
(don't even know if that's possible), or somehow monitor the list's
activity just enough to detect when new users join the list.

Something like this might explain why ppl claim various issues with normal
list interaction + claim they can only read and work with the list through
Nabble.

Kind regards, Greg Feneis
(Pixel 3)


On Tue, Jul 7, 2020, 06:13 Adrien Monteleone 
wrote:

> Nabble is not GnuCash. They are a site that provides access to one or more
> mailing lists (of any subject) in a web forum format instead of having to
> use regular e-mail that mailing lists use.
>
> At some point in history ‘Hugo’ linked the gnucash-user list to Nabble. No
> one seems to know if permission from the GnuCash team was ever sought or
> obtained when this was done.
>
> Joining Nabble does *not* subscribe you to the mailing list.
>
> You do not *need* to join Nabble to use the list. You don’t ever need to
> use Nabble at all to get help with GnuCash. (I never have and I joined this
> list years ago)
>
> Mailing lists are just e-mail. They have their own Netiquette and some
> tips on this can be found in https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists.
>
> I hope that clears up some confusion.
>
> Regards,
> Adrien
>
>
>
> > On Jul 7, 2020 w28d189, at 6:59 AM, butterandpean...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > *I would have responded earlier, however, I experienced the exact same
> > situation as Adrian. I've been a participant on the GnuCash list for
> YEARS,
> > and all of a sudden through nabble I was/am no longer able to post or
> reply
> > to the list.  I also get NO RESPONSE from the infamous "Hugo" whoever
> > s/he/it is... very frustrating.  I just joined the list directly, but I
> too
> > am totally confused.*
>
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[GNC] Gnucash - user

[flywire]

> This will change when (if) we migrate to mailman3, which includes the
> "hyperkitty" forum-like interface, but at this point in time we do not
> have a timeline for when this will happen.

mailman3 would put wheels on the sled.
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Re: [GNC] Gnucash - user

[Derek Atkins]

Dear Adrian,

On Tue, July 7, 2020 2:46 am, Adrian Holbrook wrote:
> Liz, I tried to respond to a posting by David Cousens [via GnuCash] and it
> was rejected by Nabble. Could you pass on the following -

Instead of responding via Nabble, you should just respond via Email.

> I have also tried to contact Hugo a number of times. In frustration I have
> used a different email address and name and registered again following the
> instructions on the gnucashe wiki. I have the same problem. I do not
> unders
> tand the difference between posting
>  on the Gnucash list vs posting by Nabble - certainly following the wiki
> in
> structions forces you to use Nabble. as soon as you register you are sent
> an
> email to click on and it takes you to the Nabble subscribe form.

This has *me* confused.  If you subscribe via any link at
https://lists.gnucash.org/ then I do not see how you could get an email
that would link to Nabble.  It sounds like you went in via Nabble the
first time and tried to "subscribe" via Nabble.

> I
> am very confused and would love a simple
>  process that worked like a normal forum without having to go through
> hoops

The GnuCash lists are, currently, just that: email lists.

The GnuCash mailing lists do not have a forum or any supported forum-like
interface.  Nabble, a 3rd-party service, tries to present that, but as
you've seen they appear to be having... issues..

This will change when (if) we migrate to mailman3, which includes the
"hyperkitty" forum-like interface, but at this point in time we do not
have a timeline for when this will happen.

> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies.
> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.

-derek

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Re: [GNC] Gnucash - user

[Adrien Monteleone]

Thanks Frank, I’ll get those added today.

> On Jul 7, 2020 w28d189, at 8:26 AM, Frank H. Ellenberger 
>  wrote:
> 
> Adrien,
> 
> now you have.
> 
> Regards
> Frank
> 
> Am 07.07.20 um 15:00 schrieb Adrien Monteleone:
>> I would have added annotated screenshots for additional clarity, but it 
>> seems I don’t have upload privileges. The text should be pretty clear anyway.
>> 
> 


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Re: [GNC] Gnucash - user

[Frank H. Ellenberger]

Adrien,

now you have.

Regards
Frank

Am 07.07.20 um 15:00 schrieb Adrien Monteleone:
> I would have added annotated screenshots for additional clarity, but it seems 
> I don’t have upload privileges. The text should be pretty clear anyway.
> 
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Re: [GNC] Vendor report beta errors

[Adrien Monteleone]

How are you ‘filtering by time period’ - all Vendor Reports are *for* a time 
period.

Also, please clarify ‘beta’.

The current version of GnuCash, 4.0, contains a version of the Vendor (and 
Customer) Reports that used to be in the Experimental menu in the later 3.x 
versions. I just tested the report in 4.0 and it works as expected. (debit and 
credit totals are correct, no matter what time period I choose or if I use the 
preset periods or specify a date)

Regards,
Adrien


> On Jul 7, 2020 w28d189, at 7:33 AM, Finfort  wrote:
> 
> Debit and Credit totals are wrong - when filtering by period of time it shows 
> these totals for all the period.


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Re: [GNC] GnuCash list

[Adrien Monteleone]

Nabble is not GnuCash. They are a site that provides access to one or more 
mailing lists (of any subject) in a web forum format instead of having to use 
regular e-mail that mailing lists use.

At some point in history ‘Hugo’ linked the gnucash-user list to Nabble. No one 
seems to know if permission from the GnuCash team was ever sought or obtained 
when this was done.

Joining Nabble does *not* subscribe you to the mailing list.

You do not *need* to join Nabble to use the list. You don’t ever need to use 
Nabble at all to get help with GnuCash. (I never have and I joined this list 
years ago)

Mailing lists are just e-mail. They have their own Netiquette and some tips on 
this can be found in https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists.

I hope that clears up some confusion.

Regards,
Adrien



> On Jul 7, 2020 w28d189, at 6:59 AM, butterandpean...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> *I would have responded earlier, however, I experienced the exact same
> situation as Adrian. I've been a participant on the GnuCash list for YEARS,
> and all of a sudden through nabble I was/am no longer able to post or reply
> to the list.  I also get NO RESPONSE from the infamous "Hugo" whoever
> s/he/it is... very frustrating.  I just joined the list directly, but I too
> am totally confused.*

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Re: [GNC] OFX setup

[Fleur Dragan]

The one I have been using to test GnuCash is Chase.

I may not have mentioned before: I am using a script I wrote using the ofxtools 
library to download from a few different financial institutions.  I am aware of 
Chase's clientuid connection requirement and have a valid clientuid.  Also, I 
successfully connect to Chase and see my account numbers in the log window when 
setting up a aqbanking user in GnuCash.

If you mean clientuid when you say customer id, I have the right one.  I also 
specifically picked the appid and appver to be the same as my script.

I haven't tried debugging again yet.  Hopefully the query being sent will show 
up on the /tmp/ofx.log file.


thanks,
fleur
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> On Jul 7, 2020, at 3:56 AM, John Ralls  wrote:
> 
> That is progress. 104 is an internal server error, meaning that the bank's 
> server didn't like what you sent it. It may need a different QWIN, a customer 
> ID, or you might have to set up online banking at their end first. Tell us 
> the bank name, maybe someone else here has experience with them.
> 
> Regards,
> John Ralls
> 
> 
>> On Jul 6, 2020, at 9:41 AM, Fleur Dragan  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> It didn't even occur to me I couldn't send an attachment to the list.  I 
>> facepalm.  I'll go through it again with debugging and send you the output 
>> directly tomorrow.  Thanks.
>> 
>> And of course, before I wrote this, I was so excited I forgot to set up 
>> debugging and I went and tried setting up an account with just the routing 
>> and account numbers.  When I clicked ok, it threw up an error dialog saying 
>> "unable to update account spec."  When I clicked dismiss, the account was 
>> actually there.
>> 
>> I was able to advance to the window to associate the account with a GnuCash 
>> account, and did so.  Then I went to the register, selected Actions > Online 
>> Actions > Get Transactions..., chose to download from yesterday, and got 
>> this:
>> 
>> AqBanking v6.2.1.0stable
>> Sending jobs to the bank(s)
>> Sorting commands by account
>> Sorting commands by account
>> Sorting commands by provider
>> Send commands to providers
>> Send commands to provider "aqofxconnect"
>> Error Sending commands to provider "aqofxconnect":-104
>> 
>> So...progress?
>> 
>> (Also, the "Select Backend" window just sticks around no matter what I do, 
>> until quit.)
>> 
>> 
>> fleur
>> --
>> Fleur Dragan / fl...@obscure.org
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 6, 2020, at 5:09 PM, John Ralls  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Unfortunately the stderr/stdout capture didn't make it through the list. 
>>> You may send them directly to me if you like, but please first go through 
>>> them and remove any identifying information, especially the bank routing 
>>> id, account numbers, and any PINs or passwords.   
>>> 
>>> All that you need for an OFX account setup is the Routing ID and Account 
>>> number. The former goes in the Bank Code field, the latter in the Account 
>>> Number field. Both should have been in the log window output; you can edit 
>>> the user and retrieve accounts again if you need to. The Bank and Account 
>>> names are used to identify the account in the UI so you can enter whatever 
>>> you like. The other fields are for HBCI/FinTS and can safely be left blank.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> John Ralls
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jul 6, 2020, at 4:33 AM, Fleur Dragan  wrote:
 
 
 First I set:
 
 export GWEN_LOGLEVEL=debug
 export AQBANKING_LOGLEVEL=debug
 export AQOFX_LOG_COMM=1
 export AQOFXCONNECT_LOGLEVEL=debug
 
 
 Then I ran, just to be safe:
 
 rm -rf ~/.aqbanking/
 
 
 Then I ran:
 
 /Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/MacOS/Gnucash --debug 2>&1 | tee gnc.out
 
 
 Once GnuCash started up, I tried to set up a user, which was successful.  
 Then I tried to retrieve accounts, which was also successful, but no 
 accounts were created in the aqbanking window.  I tried to create an 
 account, but it's not clear what information each field wants, especially 
 since it's designed to be country agnostic.  Is BIC SWIFT the routing 
 number for my US account?  Is country "US" or "United States" or something 
 else?  Bank Name?  The one in www.ofxhome.com?  The one on their website?  
 Can't get much more ambiguous than bank name.  The look up bank code 
 doesn't appear to do anything, so I have no idea if the bank code is the 
 OFX FI, the routing number, or something else.  There are enough ambiguous 
 fields, trying various combinations is prohibitive.  If there is 
 documentation, in English (google translate will not understand subtleties 
 of BIC/IBAN/SWIFT/routing number), for setting up OFX accounts, I will 
 happily try again.
 
 There were no errors in /tmp/ofx.log.
 
 There don't seem to be any errors in the output, and nothing was in the 
 trace file, so I guess I read how to turn that on wrong.  I've attached 
 

Re: [GNC] Gnucash - user

[Adrien Monteleone]

I just added an explicit instruction in the Mailing List Membership section of 
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists directing readers to 
https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo, click the desired list, and fill 
out the “Subscribing to” form.

I would have added annotated screenshots for additional clarity, but it seems I 
don’t have upload privileges. The text should be pretty clear anyway.

I can see that not having this direction in that section seemed to leave one 
hanging as to exactly how to ‘join’ after explaining ‘why one should'. (the 
next section immediately talks of ‘unsubscribing’ though it isn’t much of a 
leap to figure things out)

Regards,
Adrien

> On Jul 7, 2020 w28d189, at 2:07 AM, Liz  wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 7 Jul 2020 07:46:23 +0100
> Adrian Holbrook  wrote:
> 
>> Liz, I tried to respond to a posting by David Cousens [via GnuCash]
>> and it was rejected by Nabble. Could you pass on the following -
>> 
>> I have also tried to contact Hugo a number of times. In frustration I
>> have used a different email address and name and registered again
>> following the instructions on the gnucashe wiki. I have the same
>> problem. I do not unders tand the difference between posting
>> on the Gnucash list vs posting by Nabble - certainly following the
>> wiki in structions forces you to use Nabble. as soon as you register
>> you are sent an email to click on and it takes you to the Nabble
>> subscribe form. I am very confused and would love a simple
>> process that worked like a normal forum without having to go through
>> hoops
> 
> If you get that impression we need to do some wiki editing.
> 
> I just went to this page 
> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists
> 
> From 
> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/GnuCash
> and then to
> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/GnuCash#Mailing_Lists
> and to 
> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists
> 
> and the instructions show how to sign up directly to the mailing list.
> 
> Could you advise which page advised you to go to Nabble, and if
> possible the route you took to get to that page.
> Then we can look at the links as well as the pages
> 
> Liz


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Re: [GNC] Gnucash-User

[D via gnucash-user]

David C.

I know what nabble is, and I know that nabble is not gnucash-user. 

People who use nabble to experience gnucash-user as a forum should pay 
attention to this fact, and place the blame for nabble's failings where they 
belong: with nabble. *

Personally, I find nabble's penchant for never letting me leave their site when 
I choose ("Don't go yet! Don't you want to use our resume service?") to be 
irritating in the extreme, and avoid it like the plague. But, hey to each their 
own.

David T.

* For those who say that these users are unaware of the difference between 
nabble and gnucash-user, I will note that every message that goes through the 
gnucash list server addresses this in the tag line.

On Jul 6, 2020, 18:10, at 18:10, David Cousens  wrote:
>David T,
>
>It is just a web interface to the mail listserver. I find it has some
>advantages in presentation of threaded posts
>particularly when looking back over archived material compared with my
>mail client. Someone has updated the signup
>instructions some time ago to point out that you have to be signed up
>to both the Nabble interface and the GnuCash
>mailing list and the the Nabble signup can now send an email to signup
>to the GnuCash mail listserver when you signup to
>Nabble. It otherwise operates independently of the gnucash mail
>listserver. It normally only creates a problem for the
>gnucash list when new users sign up without reading the instructions
>fully first.
>
>This appears to be some change in the Nabble access rules, possibly in
>a software update, which prevents registered
>users from creating new posts. The problem is whoever is administering
>it, if anyone, does not appear to be monitoring
>the emails to the administrator from users as I have now sent 5-10 over
>the last few weeks. Anyone can create a Nabble
>interface to any mailing list which seems an OK idea, until you get an
>orphan which no longer functions. There seems to
>be no way to contact whoever is running the servers which feed Nabble
>to point out that a particular mail listserver
>interface has been orphaned.
>
>I think it would probably be better to bring it into the fold so that
>the Gnucsh  mailing list administrators have
>someone to contact when the occasional problem like this occurs
>
>Nabble is still OK for browsing and archive searching but not posting
>so for the moment we have no choice but to get our
>Kool ade direct from the source rather than from the Soda Stream. The
>downside for me is I have to remember to swap
>email signatures from my professional persona to my gnucash persona
>when I swap hats.
>
>David Cousens
>
>On Sun, 2020-07-05 at 20:23 -0400, D. wrote:
>> I guess all that would recommend abandoning nabble altogether, and
>drinking the gnucash Kool ade directly from
>> lists.gnucash.org... just saying.?.
>> 
>> 
>>  Original Message 
>> From: David Cousens 
>> Sent: Sun Jul 05 17:01:40 EDT 2020
>> To: Liz , John Ralls 
>> Cc: GnuCash-User 
>> Subject: Re: [GNC] Gnucash-User
>> 
>> Liz, Adrian,
>> 
>> The Nabble interface seems to have a problem at the moment, I have
>been unable to post from it for a couple of weeks
>> now
>> and have had the same problem of no response to messages from whoever
>is administering it.
>> 
>> David Cousens
>> 
>> On Sun, 2020-07-05 at 20:08 +1000, Liz wrote:
>> > On Sat, 4 Jul 2020 07:54:56 -0700
>> > John Ralls  wrote:
>> > 
>> > > > On Jul 3, 2020, at 11:03 PM, Adrian Holbrook
>> > > >  wrote:
>> > > > 
>> > > > I have been trying to post on the forum but for some reason am
>no
>> > > > longer allowed to post. I have sent a number of messages trying
>to
>> > > > get permission but with no response from the moderator.
>> > 
>> > Sorry Adrian, but I am not stopping you from posting. 
>> > I don't know where you have been sending messages requesting
>> > permission, but they haven't reached me as moderator.
>> > 
>> > Were you sending from Nabble beforehand? We don't control what
>happens
>> > with Nabble. Posts made through Nabble come straight through if the
>> > writer is registered with the Gnucash mailing list involved,
>otherwise
>> > they sit in the queue for me to check.
>> > At the bottom of every email from the Gnucash server is the
>> > instructions on how to join.
>> > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user
>> > 
>> > Liz
>> > with Moderator hat in place.
>> > ___
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[GNC] Vendor report beta errors

[Finfort]

 
 

 Debit and Credit totals are wrong - when filtering by period of time it shows 
these totals for all the period.
 

 
 

 
 
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Re: [GNC] Alpha Vantage problems

[Robert Dean]

Hi,

I have also lost access to Alphavantage stocks on LSE. It last worked on 
24 June, but failed on the 25th. I have checked both my stocks with 
gnc-fq-dump and neither work, so I have changed to Yahoo-json.


I'm using Gnucash 3.10 on Fedora 32.

Regards
Bob Dean

On 07/07/2020 12:01, Chris Good wrote:

Hi Adrian, how are you getting quotes from excel? Have you got your
alphavantage API key specified in GnuCash preferences?

I suggest the next stage would be to test each of the stocks you want to
use Alphavantage for, with gnc-fq-dump.

Regards, Chris Good

On Tue., 7 Jul. 2020, 7:39 pm Adrian Holbrook, 
wrote:


Thanks Chris, I think my installation of Finance;;Quote is working fine as
I get quotes from other sources such as Morningstar and Yahoo JSON without
any problem. I think it must be an Alphavantage problem and the next stage
is to try and get quotes using excel and see if that works.  In the short
term I have changed my source to Yahoo JSON and that is working. I would
just like to be able to get Alphavantage working as well so that if one
fails I have a backup source.

Regards

Adrian



On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 9:10 AM Chris Good  wrote:


Message: 3
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2020 07:58:33 +0100
From: Adrian Holbrook 
To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: [GNC] Alpha Vantage problems
Message-ID:
 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

I have been using Alphvantage for about a year now to get quotes without
any
problems - I had to add in the 15 second delay that was suggested to stop
it
failing - but since then it has been 100% reliable. I normally download
around 50 prices at a time about once a week. The last successful download
was on June 12th and since then all attempts have failed.

All my shares are on the LSE. I have not checked trying to get quotes from
NYSE but that would be my next test.
I am using Gnucash 4.0 and Finance::Quote 1.49

Regards

Adrian

Hi Adrian,

Please follow instructions at
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Online_Quotes#Trouble_Shooting

Regards, Chris Good



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[GNC] GnuCash list

[butterandpeanuts]

*I'm responding to the below post...*

"Liz, I tried to respond to a posting by David Cousens [via GnuCash] and it
was rejected by Nabble. Could you pass on the following -

I have also tried to contact Hugo a number of times. In frustration I have
used a different email address and name and registered again following the
instructions on the gnucashe wiki. I have the same problem. I do not unders
tand the difference between posting
 on the Gnucash list vs posting by Nabble - certainly following the wiki in
structions forces you to use Nabble. as soon as you register you are sent an
email to click on and it takes you to the Nabble subscribe form. I
am very confused and would love a simple
 process that worked like a normal forum without having to go through hoops"

*I would have responded earlier, however, I experienced the exact same
situation as Adrian. I've been a participant on the GnuCash list for YEARS,
and all of a sudden through nabble I was/am no longer able to post or reply
to the list.  I also get NO RESPONSE from the infamous "Hugo" whoever
s/he/it is... very frustrating.  I just joined the list directly, but I too
am totally confused.*

*Anyway, fyi and fwiw...*
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Re: [GNC] Budgeting > transfers to liabilities and securities purchase

[Christopher Lam]

Ok. The 3.11 release will have fixed some bugs there. Please copy to list
on replies.

On Tue, 7 Jul 2020, 7:04 pm Mark Walters,  wrote:

> Thanks Christopher,  just checked and I'm running v3.4 in debian buster.
>
> On Tue, 7 Jul. 2020, 18:07 Christopher Lam, 
> wrote:
>
>> 1. Please use the very latest gnucash 3.11 or 4.0; if there are still
>> issues please file bug in Bugzilla.
>>
>> 2. Budget for securities is error prone; currency and share exchanges are
>> complex and not proven to be reliable in budgeting module.
>>
>> On Tue, 7 Jul 2020, 3:43 pm Mark Walters, 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>> I am trying to use Gnucash budgeting and have 2 issues. I have searched
>>> the
>>> mailing list and google'd but had no luck.
>>>
>>> 1.Sign convention issues between budget, transactions and budget reports
>>> I am budgeting for transfers to a liability (mortgage repayment). To make
>>> the budget balance sheet reduce my liability, a positive number is
>>> entered
>>> in the budget under mortgage liability. But when I use the estimate
>>> function, the repayments are entered as negative numbers.
>>> i.e. a test repayment of $50k comes through to -$50k with the estimate
>>> function. But the budget balance sheet records an increase in the
>>> liability
>>> from $350k to $400k, this should be $350k to $300k. I though perhaps my
>>> liability should have a negative balance, but the transaction entry
>>> (actuals) currently decrease the liability as entered and as expected.
>>>
>>> 2. Budgeting for securities purchase
>>> I'd like to budget a certain dollar value transaction to buy shares (Say
>>> $1k). When I enter this in the budget. the totals in the budget sheet
>>> work
>>> as expected. But the budget balance sheet adds 1000 units to my holding,
>>> instead of the number of units. Understand that the future price is
>>> unknown
>>> but the calculation seems inconsistent (dollars in budget, but carried
>>> forward as units). If I enter units in the budget, the budget balance
>>> sheet
>>> works.. but then the budget doesn't sum to zero (because no price is
>>> applied to units)
>>> How do others enter this in a budget? Should I have another 'dollar'
>>> account to capture the value of the shares?
>>>
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>> Mark Walters
>>> Email: mark.walter...@gmail.com
>>> Mob: 0404 305 661
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Re: [GNC] Alpha Vantage problems

[Chris Good]

Hi Adrian, how are you getting quotes from excel? Have you got your
alphavantage API key specified in GnuCash preferences?

I suggest the next stage would be to test each of the stocks you want to
use Alphavantage for, with gnc-fq-dump.

Regards, Chris Good

On Tue., 7 Jul. 2020, 7:39 pm Adrian Holbrook, 
wrote:

> Thanks Chris, I think my installation of Finance;;Quote is working fine as
> I get quotes from other sources such as Morningstar and Yahoo JSON without
> any problem. I think it must be an Alphavantage problem and the next stage
> is to try and get quotes using excel and see if that works.  In the short
> term I have changed my source to Yahoo JSON and that is working. I would
> just like to be able to get Alphavantage working as well so that if one
> fails I have a backup source.
>
> Regards
>
> Adrian
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 9:10 AM Chris Good  wrote:
>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2020 07:58:33 +0100
>> From: Adrian Holbrook 
>> To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
>> Subject: [GNC] Alpha Vantage problems
>> Message-ID:
>> > a...@mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>
>> I have been using Alphvantage for about a year now to get quotes without
>> any
>> problems - I had to add in the 15 second delay that was suggested to stop
>> it
>> failing - but since then it has been 100% reliable. I normally download
>> around 50 prices at a time about once a week. The last successful download
>> was on June 12th and since then all attempts have failed.
>>
>> All my shares are on the LSE. I have not checked trying to get quotes from
>> NYSE but that would be my next test.
>> I am using Gnucash 4.0 and Finance::Quote 1.49
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Adrian
>>
>> Hi Adrian,
>>
>> Please follow instructions at
>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Online_Quotes#Trouble_Shooting
>>
>> Regards, Chris Good
>>
>>
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Re: [GNC] Accounts List Columns Displayed

[listsub3]

I noticed that very sliderbar shortly after posting ;-)  I was just 
expecting right mouse click on column header area to be the method of 
accessing column config - too much time with windows apps!



On 07/07/2020 02:45,  Greg Feneis wrote:

I have found that usually, when the width of all the columns exceeds the
width of the window, a slightly inconspicuous horizontal scroll bar appears
at the bottom of all columns, allowing me to shift columns left and right.

Kind regards, Greg Feneis
(Pixel 3)


On Mon, Jul 6, 2020, 15:28 listsub3 
wrote:


Thanks.

The down arrow at right hand end of columns header was not visible on my
screen - it seems like expanding column size(s) causes it to get pushed
off the screen - which I guess should not happen.

On 06/07/2020 12:28, Maf. King wrote:

On Monday, 6 July 2020 12:14:55 BST listsub3 wrote:

On Accounts tab (GC 3.5) the only 3 columns I get displayed are Account
Name, Description and Total.

Is there any way to control/get additional data columns for account
fields - example Account Type? I want to be able to sort list by various
fields - especially Type.



Yes, click the little down arrow at the right-hand end of the columns

header

row.  Type is one of the options to display.

HTH,
Maf.







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Re: [GNC] Alpha Vantage problems

[Adrian Holbrook]

Thanks Chris, I think my installation of Finance;;Quote is working fine as
I get quotes from other sources such as Morningstar and Yahoo JSON without
any problem. I think it must be an Alphavantage problem and the next stage
is to try and get quotes using excel and see if that works.  In the short
term I have changed my source to Yahoo JSON and that is working. I would
just like to be able to get Alphavantage working as well so that if one
fails I have a backup source.

Regards

Adrian



On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 9:10 AM Chris Good  wrote:

> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2020 07:58:33 +0100
> From: Adrian Holbrook 
> To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
> Subject: [GNC] Alpha Vantage problems
> Message-ID:
>  a...@mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> I have been using Alphvantage for about a year now to get quotes without
> any
> problems - I had to add in the 15 second delay that was suggested to stop
> it
> failing - but since then it has been 100% reliable. I normally download
> around 50 prices at a time about once a week. The last successful download
> was on June 12th and since then all attempts have failed.
>
> All my shares are on the LSE. I have not checked trying to get quotes from
> NYSE but that would be my next test.
> I am using Gnucash 4.0 and Finance::Quote 1.49
>
> Regards
>
> Adrian
>
> Hi Adrian,
>
> Please follow instructions at
> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Online_Quotes#Trouble_Shooting
>
> Regards, Chris Good
>
>
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Re: [GNC] Gnucash - user

[Jim DeLaHunt]

Adrian:

I am another GnuCash user. I have been watching this email thread. I am 
distressed at the difficulties you are having joining the GnuCash list.


The image you show, of email from Nabble asking you to confirm 
subscription to the gnucash-user list, is definitely not what I would 
expect to get when subscribing to the Gnucash-user email list. So, 
things may have gone astray earlier. You say,


> I registered as a new user on Gnucash mailing list.

What was the URL of the page where you registered as a new user on the 
Gnucash-user email list?
I would expect it to be 
.


I got to this page from this page, to which Liz pointed 
. It says there, "Mailing 
List Management", "At gnucash.org", "The GnuCash mailing lists are 
served by a mailman server which allows users to subscribe, unsubscribe, 
and otherwise manage their subscriptions to the various lists available."


The words "mailman server" are a link to 
. That page is a directory 
of all the mailing lists. The last entry in that directory is an entry 
for  "gnucash-user", a link to 
.


What path of pages did you follow to get where you ended up? Does the 
above path of pages work better for you?


Best regards,
  —Jim DeLaHunt, Vancouver, Canada

On 2020-07-07 00:56, Adrian Holbrook wrote:

I registered as a new user on Gnucash mailing list. I then got an email
from Nabble that asked me to click on a link to confirm my membership - see
below

[image: image.png]
That takes me into Nabble and then I cannot post without contacting Hugo
sho does not respond!

Regards

Adrian

On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 8:10 AM Liz  wrote:


On Tue, 7 Jul 2020 07:46:23 +0100
Adrian Holbrook  wrote:


Liz, I tried to respond to a posting by David Cousens [via GnuCash]
and it was rejected by Nabble. Could you pass on the following -

I have also tried to contact Hugo a number of times. In frustration I
have used a different email address and name and registered again
following the instructions on the gnucashe wiki. I have the same
problem. I do not unders tand the difference between posting
  on the Gnucash list vs posting by Nabble - certainly following the
wiki in structions forces you to use Nabble. as soon as you register
you are sent an email to click on and it takes you to the Nabble
subscribe form. I am very confused and would love a simple
  process that worked like a normal forum without having to go through
hoops

If you get that impression we need to do some wiki editing.

I just went to this page
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists

From
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/GnuCash
and then to
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/GnuCash#Mailing_Lists
and to
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists

and the instructions show how to sign up directly to the mailing list.

Could you advise which page advised you to go to Nabble, and if
possible the route you took to get to that page.
Then we can look at the links as well as the pages

Liz



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Re: [GNC] Alpha Vantage problems

[Chris Good]

Message: 3
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2020 07:58:33 +0100
From: Adrian Holbrook 
To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: [GNC] Alpha Vantage problems
Message-ID:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

I have been using Alphvantage for about a year now to get quotes without any
problems - I had to add in the 15 second delay that was suggested to stop it
failing - but since then it has been 100% reliable. I normally download
around 50 prices at a time about once a week. The last successful download
was on June 12th and since then all attempts have failed.

All my shares are on the LSE. I have not checked trying to get quotes from
NYSE but that would be my next test.
I am using Gnucash 4.0 and Finance::Quote 1.49

Regards

Adrian

Hi Adrian,

Please follow instructions at
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Online_Quotes#Trouble_Shooting

Regards, Chris Good

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Re: [GNC] Budgeting > transfers to liabilities and securities purchase

[Christopher Lam]

1. Please use the very latest gnucash 3.11 or 4.0; if there are still
issues please file bug in Bugzilla.

2. Budget for securities is error prone; currency and share exchanges are
complex and not proven to be reliable in budgeting module.

On Tue, 7 Jul 2020, 3:43 pm Mark Walters,  wrote:

> Hi everyone,
> I am trying to use Gnucash budgeting and have 2 issues. I have searched the
> mailing list and google'd but had no luck.
>
> 1.Sign convention issues between budget, transactions and budget reports
> I am budgeting for transfers to a liability (mortgage repayment). To make
> the budget balance sheet reduce my liability, a positive number is entered
> in the budget under mortgage liability. But when I use the estimate
> function, the repayments are entered as negative numbers.
> i.e. a test repayment of $50k comes through to -$50k with the estimate
> function. But the budget balance sheet records an increase in the liability
> from $350k to $400k, this should be $350k to $300k. I though perhaps my
> liability should have a negative balance, but the transaction entry
> (actuals) currently decrease the liability as entered and as expected.
>
> 2. Budgeting for securities purchase
> I'd like to budget a certain dollar value transaction to buy shares (Say
> $1k). When I enter this in the budget. the totals in the budget sheet work
> as expected. But the budget balance sheet adds 1000 units to my holding,
> instead of the number of units. Understand that the future price is unknown
> but the calculation seems inconsistent (dollars in budget, but carried
> forward as units). If I enter units in the budget, the budget balance sheet
> works.. but then the budget doesn't sum to zero (because no price is
> applied to units)
> How do others enter this in a budget? Should I have another 'dollar'
> account to capture the value of the shares?
>
>
> Kind Regards,
> Mark Walters
> Email: mark.walter...@gmail.com
> Mob: 0404 305 661
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Re: [GNC] Gnucash - user

[Adrian Holbrook]

I registered as a new user on Gnucash mailing list. I then got an email
from Nabble that asked me to click on a link to confirm my membership - see
below

[image: image.png]
That takes me into Nabble and then I cannot post without contacting Hugo
sho does not respond!

Regards

Adrian

On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 8:10 AM Liz  wrote:

> On Tue, 7 Jul 2020 07:46:23 +0100
> Adrian Holbrook  wrote:
>
> > Liz, I tried to respond to a posting by David Cousens [via GnuCash]
> > and it was rejected by Nabble. Could you pass on the following -
> >
> > I have also tried to contact Hugo a number of times. In frustration I
> > have used a different email address and name and registered again
> > following the instructions on the gnucashe wiki. I have the same
> > problem. I do not unders tand the difference between posting
> >  on the Gnucash list vs posting by Nabble - certainly following the
> > wiki in structions forces you to use Nabble. as soon as you register
> > you are sent an email to click on and it takes you to the Nabble
> > subscribe form. I am very confused and would love a simple
> >  process that worked like a normal forum without having to go through
> > hoops
>
> If you get that impression we need to do some wiki editing.
>
> I just went to this page
> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists
>
> From
> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/GnuCash
> and then to
> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/GnuCash#Mailing_Lists
> and to
> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists
>
> and the instructions show how to sign up directly to the mailing list.
>
> Could you advise which page advised you to go to Nabble, and if
> possible the route you took to get to that page.
> Then we can look at the links as well as the pages
>
> Liz
>
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[GNC] Budgeting > transfers to liabilities and securities purchase

[Mark Walters]

Hi everyone,
I am trying to use Gnucash budgeting and have 2 issues. I have searched the
mailing list and google'd but had no luck.

1.Sign convention issues between budget, transactions and budget reports
I am budgeting for transfers to a liability (mortgage repayment). To make
the budget balance sheet reduce my liability, a positive number is entered
in the budget under mortgage liability. But when I use the estimate
function, the repayments are entered as negative numbers.
i.e. a test repayment of $50k comes through to -$50k with the estimate
function. But the budget balance sheet records an increase in the liability
from $350k to $400k, this should be $350k to $300k. I though perhaps my
liability should have a negative balance, but the transaction entry
(actuals) currently decrease the liability as entered and as expected.

2. Budgeting for securities purchase
I'd like to budget a certain dollar value transaction to buy shares (Say
$1k). When I enter this in the budget. the totals in the budget sheet work
as expected. But the budget balance sheet adds 1000 units to my holding,
instead of the number of units. Understand that the future price is unknown
but the calculation seems inconsistent (dollars in budget, but carried
forward as units). If I enter units in the budget, the budget balance sheet
works.. but then the budget doesn't sum to zero (because no price is
applied to units)
How do others enter this in a budget? Should I have another 'dollar'
account to capture the value of the shares?


Kind Regards,
Mark Walters
Email: mark.walter...@gmail.com
Mob: 0404 305 661
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Re: [GNC] Gnucash - user

[Liz]

On Tue, 7 Jul 2020 07:46:23 +0100
Adrian Holbrook  wrote:

> Liz, I tried to respond to a posting by David Cousens [via GnuCash]
> and it was rejected by Nabble. Could you pass on the following -
> 
> I have also tried to contact Hugo a number of times. In frustration I
> have used a different email address and name and registered again
> following the instructions on the gnucashe wiki. I have the same
> problem. I do not unders tand the difference between posting
>  on the Gnucash list vs posting by Nabble - certainly following the
> wiki in structions forces you to use Nabble. as soon as you register
> you are sent an email to click on and it takes you to the Nabble
> subscribe form. I am very confused and would love a simple
>  process that worked like a normal forum without having to go through
> hoops

If you get that impression we need to do some wiki editing.

I just went to this page 
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists

>From 
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/GnuCash
and then to
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/GnuCash#Mailing_Lists
and to 
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists

and the instructions show how to sign up directly to the mailing list.

Could you advise which page advised you to go to Nabble, and if
possible the route you took to get to that page.
Then we can look at the links as well as the pages

Liz
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[GNC] Alpha Vantage problems

[Adrian Holbrook]

I have been using Alphvantage for about a year now to get quotes without
any problems - I had to add in the 15 second delay that was suggested to
stop it failing - but since then it has been 100% reliable. I normally
download around 50 prices at a time about once a week. The last successful
download was on June 12th and since then all attempts have failed.

All my shares are on the LSE. I have not checked trying to get quotes from
NYSE but that would be my next test.
I am using Gnucash 4.0 and Finance::Quote 1.49

Regards

Adrian
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[GNC] Gnucash - user

[Adrian Holbrook]

Liz, I tried to respond to a posting by David Cousens [via GnuCash] and it
was rejected by Nabble. Could you pass on the following -

I have also tried to contact Hugo a number of times. In frustration I have
used a different email address and name and registered again following the
instructions on the gnucashe wiki. I have the same problem. I do not unders
tand the difference between posting
 on the Gnucash list vs posting by Nabble - certainly following the wiki in
structions forces you to use Nabble. as soon as you register you are sent an
email to click on and it takes you to the Nabble subscribe form. I
am very confused and would love a simple
 process that worked like a normal forum without having to go through hoops


Adrian Holbrook
Tel: +44 (0)1564 230038
Mob: +44 (0)777 238 3299
Skype: megagrumpy
Web: www.megagrumpy.com
email: adrian.holbr...@gmail.com
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