Re: [GNC] Compare two sets of accounts?

[Stan Brown (using GC 4.14)]

On 2024-01-21 17:04, Myron A Schroeder wrote:
> when I used the icon to
> call up GNUCash, the data file was vacant. A search on the the hard drive
> found it and the data was displayed as usual. Neat.

Or, in the File menu, click one of the recently-used files in the
numbered list.

Stan Brown
Tehachapi, CA, USA
https://BrownMath.com
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Re: [GNC] Compare two sets of accounts?

[Myron A Schroeder]

Thank you Micheal and David for your clear answers.


I tried the addition of –nofile to the icon. The first time it did nothing
and when I looked at the properties I saw the nofile was not saved. On the
second trial I clicked the Apply, then Continue and when I used the icon to
call up GNUCash, the data file was vacant. A search on the the hard drive
found it and the data was displayed as usual. Neat.


I have not tried David’s suggestion, I will leave that to another day but
it looks doable and very convenient when I add another set of GNUCash books.


I am using Windows 11 for most data recording and all reports..
Occasionally I will use Linux, on the same computer and also on a laptop.
The Linux Mint Debian Faye on both is preferred over two other Linus
installations on the main computer..


Regards, Myron Schroeder

On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 6:02 PM David Cousens 
wrote:

> Myron
>
> The same strategy can be used to create additional icons which open
> GnuCash with a specific datafile. Copy the icons as
> Michael suggested (one for each datafile) and edit them put in a URI to
> the specific datafile  instead of the --nofile
> option. Give it a name reflecting that it opens that specific datafile.
>
> This is also similarly easy to do in most Linux OS.
>
> David Cousens
>
>
> On Sun, 2024-01-21 at 16:36 -0500, Michael or Penny Novack wrote:
> > On 1/21/2024 11:05 AM, Myron A Schroeder wrote:
> > > Where do I find the " --nofile runtime parameter."
> > >
> > > Looks like an interesting way to have more than one set of books on my
> > > computer.
> > >
> > What operating system are you using? Perhaps as much to the point, if
> > you are getting to gnucash by a "shortcut" (an icon that you click) do
> > you know how to look at what that is actually doing? How to edit that?
> >
> > For example, if you are running under Windows and have an icon for
> > gnucash, and you RIGHT CLICK on that icon you get a drop down list of
> > things you can do with that shortcut. At (or near) the bottom of that
> > list is "properties" (let me look at the properties of this object). If
> > you click on that choice (and the shortcut was to the application
> > gnucash) you'll see those properties. That it is an application (the
> > type of the target), where located (in a binary library) and exactly
> > what the target is (what clicking on the object sends to the command
> > line to execute, since that's what is done for an application.
> >
> > WELL -- you can edit that line to add a runtime parameter, in this case,
> > append --nofile (space in between)
> >
> > Michael D Novack
> >
> > PS --- STRONG SUGGESTION --- Do not simply do this. First make a copy of
> > that object (the same dropdown list where "properties" was) and rename
> > it. THAT is how you can back out a failed attempt. Now try to do the
> > edit of the target (add the --nofile)  Back out and see what happens
> > when you click the icon now. If it works (brings up gnucash without
> > opening any file you are done (delete the backup copy). Otherwise you
> > can use "copy" again to retry.
> >
> >
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Re: [GNC] Compare two sets of accounts?

[David Cousens]

Myron

The same strategy can be used to create additional icons which open GnuCash 
with a specific datafile. Copy the icons as
Michael suggested (one for each datafile) and edit them put in a URI to the 
specific datafile  instead of the --nofile
option. Give it a name reflecting that it opens that specific datafile. 

This is also similarly easy to do in most Linux OS.

David Cousens


On Sun, 2024-01-21 at 16:36 -0500, Michael or Penny Novack wrote:
> On 1/21/2024 11:05 AM, Myron A Schroeder wrote:
> > Where do I find the " --nofile runtime parameter."
> > 
> > Looks like an interesting way to have more than one set of books on my
> > computer.
> > 
> What operating system are you using? Perhaps as much to the point, if 
> you are getting to gnucash by a "shortcut" (an icon that you click) do 
> you know how to look at what that is actually doing? How to edit that?
> 
> For example, if you are running under Windows and have an icon for 
> gnucash, and you RIGHT CLICK on that icon you get a drop down list of 
> things you can do with that shortcut. At (or near) the bottom of that 
> list is "properties" (let me look at the properties of this object). If 
> you click on that choice (and the shortcut was to the application 
> gnucash) you'll see those properties. That it is an application (the 
> type of the target), where located (in a binary library) and exactly 
> what the target is (what clicking on the object sends to the command 
> line to execute, since that's what is done for an application.
> 
> WELL -- you can edit that line to add a runtime parameter, in this case, 
> append --nofile (space in between)
> 
> Michael D Novack
> 
> PS --- STRONG SUGGESTION --- Do not simply do this. First make a copy of 
> that object (the same dropdown list where "properties" was) and rename 
> it. THAT is how you can back out a failed attempt. Now try to do the 
> edit of the target (add the --nofile)  Back out and see what happens 
> when you click the icon now. If it works (brings up gnucash without 
> opening any file you are done (delete the backup copy). Otherwise you 
> can use "copy" again to retry.
> 
> 
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Re: [GNC] Compare two sets of accounts?

[Michael or Penny Novack]

On 1/21/2024 11:05 AM, Myron A Schroeder wrote:

Where do I find the " --nofile runtime parameter."

Looks like an interesting way to have more than one set of books on my
computer.

What operating system are you using? Perhaps as much to the point, if 
you are getting to gnucash by a "shortcut" (an icon that you click) do 
you know how to look at what that is actually doing? How to edit that?


For example, if you are running under Windows and have an icon for 
gnucash, and you RIGHT CLICK on that icon you get a drop down list of 
things you can do with that shortcut. At (or near) the bottom of that 
list is "properties" (let me look at the properties of this object). If 
you click on that choice (and the shortcut was to the application 
gnucash) you'll see those properties. That it is an application (the 
type of the target), where located (in a binary library) and exactly 
what the target is (what clicking on the object sends to the command 
line to execute, since that's what is done for an application.


WELL -- you can edit that line to add a runtime parameter, in this case, 
append --nofile (space in between)


Michael D Novack

PS --- STRONG SUGGESTION --- Do not simply do this. First make a copy of 
that object (the same dropdown list where "properties" was) and rename 
it. THAT is how you can back out a failed attempt. Now try to do the 
edit of the target (add the --nofile)  Back out and see what happens 
when you click the icon now. If it works (brings up gnucash without 
opening any file you are done (delete the backup copy). Otherwise you 
can use "copy" again to retry.



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Re: [GNC] Windows x64 release builds are missing

[* Neustradamus *]

Dear all,

Thanks for your answers.

Maybe, it was not clear, I have not requested the stopping of x86 support.
I have requested the build for x64 in more (like other softwares).

64-bit processor exists since 1991:
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/64-bit_computing

The first official Windows x64 was XP Pro.

If there is a bug to generate the x64 release builds, please open a ticket to 
solve it, to have help.

Note that ReactOS which uses Windows release builds.
- https://github.com/reactos/rapps-db/blob/master/gnucash.txt (not recent)

Thanks a lot in advance.

Regards,

Neustradamus


From: gnucash-user  
on behalf of john 
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2024 18:06
To: Stan Brown (using GC 4.14)
Cc: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: Re: [GNC] Windows x64 release builds are missing

Considering that the last 32-bit processor from Intel was the Pentium 4E 
released in 2004 and the last AMD one was 2005's K5 it's a tiny minority. 
Regardless of Win11's ability to run 32-bit programs, it requires a 64-bit 
processor (https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11-specifications) 
so when Win10 goes out of support so does the need for 32-bit GnuCash  builds.
We're scheduled to release GnuCash 6 in January 2026 so that seems like the 
right time to make the switch.

Regards,
John Ralls



> On Jan 19, 2024, at 04:03, Stan Brown (using GC 4.14)  
> wrote:
>
> Well, I don't have any skin in the game, since both my computers have
> 64-bit Windows. It just seems a pity to shut out the minority who have
> 32-bit Windows.
>
> But that's a development decision, so I won't keep harping on it.
>
> Stan Brown
> Tehachapi, CA, USA
> https://BrownMath.com
>
> On 2024-01-18 20:21, john wrote:
>> What development effort? It's already an option to build GnuCash on
>> windows using MinGW64 instead of MinGW32 (setting aside that there's a
>> Webkit problem with the Windows build so neither is possible right now).
>> Most of the Linux distros are 64-bit only, though Debian insists on
>> packaging everything for an insane array of hardware: 5.5 is built in
>> unstable for alpha, amd64, arm64, armel, armhf, hppa, i386, mips64el,
>> ppc64, ppc64el, riscv64, s390x, and  sparc64,
>> see https://packages.debian.org/sid/gnucash
>> . The Flathub and MacOS builds
>> support both x86_64 and arm64.
>>
>> Regards,
>> John Ralls
>>
>>
>>> On Jan 18, 2024, at 14:42, Stan Brown (using GC 4.14)
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> But, as R Losey pointed out, that would take considerable development
>>> effort. Is there any actual benefit to switching to a 64-bit program,
>>> and is that benefit large enough to justify the development effort, even
>>> if all the needed libraries are available in 64-bit forms.
>>>
>>> It seems to me that the original poster's argument in favor is that
>>> 32-bit programs have been around for a long time. While that's true, it
>>> doesn't seem to me like any reason to abandon them.
>>>
>>> Stan Brown
>>> Tehachapi, CA, USA
>>> https://BrownMath.com
>>>
>>> On 2024-01-18 13:30, John Ralls wrote:
 An x64 build will work only on 64-bit PCs, a 32-bit build works on
 both. Windows 11 doesn't support 32-bit and Windows 10, which does
 support 32-bit computers, goes end-of-life this May. We don't
 "officially" support operating systems after EOL so I guess at some
 point after that we can switch to 64-bit builds on Windows.

 Regards,
 John Ralls


> On Jan 18, 2024, at 3:55 AM, * Neustradamus *
>  wrote:
>
> Dear GnuCash team,
>
> I would like to know when you will create the Windows x64 release
> builds?
>
> We are in 2024, x64 is here since Windows XP Pro.
>
> The goal is to have like other softwares, a x64 version in more x86.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Regards,
>
> Neustradamus
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Re: [GNC] Compare two sets of accounts?

[Adrien Monteleone]

And on MacOS, you have to use the full path into the app package, so 
assuming you installed in the system Applications directory:


/Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/MacOS/Gnucash --nofile

would be the full command.

Regards,
Adrien

On 1/21/24 10:17 AM, Fred Tydeman wrote:

On Linux, on the command line:
   gnucash --nofile


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Re: [GNC] QIF import ignore account

[Adrien Monteleone]

Michael, that is generally true and I'll hazard specifically true with 
respect to XML files. But MS does have some things they refuse to let 
you open with browsers other than Edge. It is a source of contention in 
the tech world and there are plenty of blogs and articles about it. As 
far as I am aware though, each of these cases is something the OS 
generates a link to and not a user file.


Regards,
Adrien

On 1/21/24 9:49 AM, Michael or Penny Novack wrote:
NOT really a gnucash matter. But the "defaults" for which app to use for 
objects of type X are something you as the user get to specify. 
Naturally, Microsoft wants you to use THEIR apps, so "out of the box" 
Windows has all of the defaults set to THEIR apps (if Microsoft makes an 
app to handle objects of type X) I consider this to simply be one of the 
tasks to take care of with a new install of a Windows OS is to change 
all the "out of the box" settings that aren't to my liking to the apps I 
want to be using.


So in a case like this, you go to the place where you make the 
association settings and see what app is specified for .xml


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Re: [GNC] Compare two sets of accounts?

[Patrick James]

The --nofile parameter is fine as you are commanding GnuCash "Do not load the 
last file opened."

There is another option, which is to command GnuCash to open a specific file.

The command line structure is: gnucash [options] [datafile]

So if you add the datafile, GnuCash will open with that set of books ready to 
go.

See "Command line options" here:

https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Logging

Your best option depends on your workflow. I'm running GnuCash on Windows, and 
for my two most commonly used datafiles, I placed separate icons on my desktop 
so I may easily and quickly open one or both of the data files.


> On 01/21/2024 8:05 AM PST Myron A Schroeder  wrote:
> 
>  
> Where do I find the " --nofile runtime parameter."
> 
> Looks like an interesting way to have more than one set of books on my
> computer.
> 
> Thanks for your help.
> 
> Myron Schroeder
> 
> On Fri, Jan 19, 2024 at 11:42 AM Gyle McCollam  wrote:
> 
> > The quick and dirty solution is to save a copy of what you send to the
> > accounts, under a different name (say: B4A) and when you get back the file
> > from the accountants review the accounts tab of the B4A with the returned
> > file.  That will tell you which accounts have a change in value.  You can
> > then open those accounts and see what changes/corrections they made.  ou
> > can then make those same changes in your current file.  Just make sure that
> > after you save a copy (B4A) that you aren't using that file going forward
> > as GC usually opens the last saved file.
> >
> >
> > Thank You,
> >
> > Gyle McCollam
> >
> > Gyle McCollam
> >
> > gmccol...@live.com   email
> >
> > 
> > From: gnucash-user  on
> > behalf of Simon Roberts 
> > Sent: Friday, January 19, 2024 8:50 AM
> > To: Gnucash Users 
> > Subject: [GNC] Compare two sets of accounts?
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Does GNC provide any mechanism for comparing two versions of the same set
> > of accounts?
> >
> > I'll be sending my books to my accountant soon, and I imagine they will
> > have some corrections/adjustments. I'll be giving them a laptop with GNC
> > installed, so they can most easily browse, and it occurs to me that they
> > could also make their changes in place. But, unless they write down
> > separately every entry they create or change, I would need to somehow
> > re-integrate their work with my "master" file. Either that, or I'd have to
> > freeze my bookkeeping while they're working on things, and that's likely to
> > take too long to be acceptable.
> >
> > With the hostage-taker's rent-ware that I used to use, there was a specific
> > mechanism for an "accountant's copy" and a means to merge the changes back
> > automatically. But I've failed to find this in the docs for GNC (quite
> > possibly as a result of poor / uninspired searching!)
> >
> > Is this supported directly? Is this something folks have found an approach
> > for? I suppose, as a not quite worst case, I could simply diff the XML file
> > itself, but that's going to produce results that will be somewhat messy, at
> > best. But at least I'd know something about what changed.
> >
> > What ideas can you offer (or manual pages, if I've failed that
> > embarrassingly!)
> >
> > TIA,
> > Simon
> >
> >
> > --
> > Simon Roberts
> > 303 249 3613
> > https://www.youtube.com/@DancingCloudServices
> > https://www.linkedin.com/in/simonhgroberts/
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Re: [GNC] Compare two sets of accounts?

[Fred Tydeman]

On Linux, on the command line:
  gnucash --nofile


On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 8:06 AM Myron A Schroeder  wrote:

> Where do I find the " --nofile runtime parameter."
>
>
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Re: [GNC] Compare two sets of accounts?

[Myron A Schroeder]

Where do I find the " --nofile runtime parameter."

Looks like an interesting way to have more than one set of books on my
computer.

Thanks for your help.

Myron Schroeder

On Fri, Jan 19, 2024 at 11:42 AM Gyle McCollam  wrote:

> The quick and dirty solution is to save a copy of what you send to the
> accounts, under a different name (say: B4A) and when you get back the file
> from the accountants review the accounts tab of the B4A with the returned
> file.  That will tell you which accounts have a change in value.  You can
> then open those accounts and see what changes/corrections they made.  ou
> can then make those same changes in your current file.  Just make sure that
> after you save a copy (B4A) that you aren't using that file going forward
> as GC usually opens the last saved file.
>
>
> Thank You,
>
> Gyle McCollam
>
> Gyle McCollam
>
> gmccol...@live.com   email
>
> 
> From: gnucash-user  on
> behalf of Simon Roberts 
> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2024 8:50 AM
> To: Gnucash Users 
> Subject: [GNC] Compare two sets of accounts?
>
> Hi all,
>
> Does GNC provide any mechanism for comparing two versions of the same set
> of accounts?
>
> I'll be sending my books to my accountant soon, and I imagine they will
> have some corrections/adjustments. I'll be giving them a laptop with GNC
> installed, so they can most easily browse, and it occurs to me that they
> could also make their changes in place. But, unless they write down
> separately every entry they create or change, I would need to somehow
> re-integrate their work with my "master" file. Either that, or I'd have to
> freeze my bookkeeping while they're working on things, and that's likely to
> take too long to be acceptable.
>
> With the hostage-taker's rent-ware that I used to use, there was a specific
> mechanism for an "accountant's copy" and a means to merge the changes back
> automatically. But I've failed to find this in the docs for GNC (quite
> possibly as a result of poor / uninspired searching!)
>
> Is this supported directly? Is this something folks have found an approach
> for? I suppose, as a not quite worst case, I could simply diff the XML file
> itself, but that's going to produce results that will be somewhat messy, at
> best. But at least I'd know something about what changed.
>
> What ideas can you offer (or manual pages, if I've failed that
> embarrassingly!)
>
> TIA,
> Simon
>
>
> --
> Simon Roberts
> 303 249 3613
> https://www.youtube.com/@DancingCloudServices
> https://www.linkedin.com/in/simonhgroberts/
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Re: [GNC] QIF import ignore account

[Michael or Penny Novack]

On 1/20/2024 7:24 PM, Geoff wrote:
Conjecture - Edge is also the default app for opening XML files on 
Windows?


Repeating the import in debug mode, the trace file contains lots of 
information, no obvious (to me) error messages, and no mention of Edge:


https://bugs.gnucash.org/attachment.cgi?id=374989

Geoff 


NOT really a gnucash matter. But the "defaults" for which app to use for 
objects of type X are something you as the user get to specify. 
Naturally, Microsoft wants you to use THEIR apps, so "out of the box" 
Windows has all of the defaults set to THEIR apps (if Microsoft makes an 
app to handle objects of type X) I consider this to simply be one of the 
tasks to take care of with a new install of a Windows OS is to change 
all the "out of the box" settings that aren't to my liking to the apps I 
want to be using.


So in a case like this, you go to the place where you make the 
association settings and see what app is specified for .xml


Michael D Novack


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