Re: [GNC] Accounting for partial payment of bill from vendor
Hi, Geoff. Thanks for the reply. That's a good idea to keep in mind when I do know the discount ahead of time and am pretty sure I will use the discount. On Mon, 2024-10-28 at 07:43 +0100, Geoff Jankowski wrote: > Hi, > > If you know the discount in advance, it can be added as a line in the > bill (-20$) analyzed to the same expense account. If the discount > arises later, they should issue a revised invoice or credit note but > rarely do so you will have to enter it manually. Again, make sure the > expense is analyzed correctly to properly reflect the expenditure on > the project. > > Geoff > +33 6 22 93 00 53 > +44 7770 58 48 38 > > > On 28 Oct 2024, at 00:59, Default User > > wrote: > > > > Hi, Murugan. > > > > Thanks for the tip. > > I am not familiar with credit notes (yet). > > But I will check it out. > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 2024-10-27 at 23:40 +, Murugan Mariappan wrote: > > > Since you are utilizing the business function to register a bill, > > > a > > > more efficient approach would be to create a credit note for the > > > transaction. By doing this, all your reports will accurately > > > reflect > > > the discount, making it easier for you to reference and track > > > your > > > financial data. > > > Please review the attached image to see if this solution meets > > > your > > > needs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saludos Cordiales > > > Murugan > > > From: gnucash-user > > bounces+m.muruganandam=hotmail@gnucash.org> on behalf of > > > Default > > > User > > > Sent: 27 October 2024 18:55 > > > To: Derek Atkins > > > Cc: gnucash-user@gnucash.org > > > Subject: Re: [GNC] Accounting for partial payment of bill from > > > vendor > > > Hi, Derek. Thanks for the reply. > > > > > > I was thinking of doing something like that. > > > Maybe creating an Income:Discounts Received account, and > > > crediting > > > $20 > > > to that from Liabilities:Accounts Payable. > > > > > > I had thought of doing that as a separate transaction, added > > > directly > > > to the account registers. I did not think of adding a credit > > > split to > > > the existing transaction, as I thought that might mess up however > > > GnuCash does its internal handling of payments using Business -> > > > Vendor > > > -> Find Bill -> Process Payment. > > > > > > Since this would seem to be a common scenario, was surprised that > > > I > > > could not seem to find a way to have GnuCash "handle it > > > automatically". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 2024-10-27 at 17:23 -0400, Derek Atkins wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > IANAA Having said that, the way I would handle it is to > > > Process > > > > Payment for $200, and then go in and split the transaction so > > > > you > > > > still > > > > debit A/P the $200, but only credit $180 to your Checking and > > > credit > > > > $20 > > > > to whatever counter-account you are using to keep track of your > > > > discounts. > > > > > > > > -derek > > > > > > > > On Sun, October 27, 2024 5:10 pm, Default User wrote: > > > > > Hi! > > > > > > > > > > This should be a simple question, with a simple answer. > > > > > > > > > > Let's imagine that a customer purchases computer repair > > > > > services > > > > > from a > > > > > vendor on 2024-10-27, for $200.00, due in 30 days. There are > > > > > no > > > > > taxes > > > > > involved.ￜ The vendor will give a 10% discount ($20.00) for > > > early > > > > > payment. > > > > > > > > > > Let's assume, for simplicity, that the customer has these > > > starting > > > > > Account balances: > > > > > $0.00 Liabilities:Accounts Payable > > > > > $0.00 Expenses:Repairs:Computer Repairs > > > > > $200.00 Assets:Current Assets:Checking Account > > > > > > > > > > The customer uses GnuCash Version 4.13, from the default > > > > >
Re: [GNC] Accounting for partial payment of bill from vendor
Hi, Murugan. Thanks for the tip. I am not familiar with credit notes (yet). But I will check it out. On Sun, 2024-10-27 at 23:40 +, Murugan Mariappan wrote: > Since you are utilizing the business function to register a bill, a > more efficient approach would be to create a credit note for the > transaction. By doing this, all your reports will accurately reflect > the discount, making it easier for you to reference and track your > financial data. > Please review the attached image to see if this solution meets your > needs. > > > > > Saludos Cordiales > Murugan > From: gnucash-user bounces+m.muruganandam=hotmail....@gnucash.org> on behalf of Default > User > Sent: 27 October 2024 18:55 > To: Derek Atkins > Cc: gnucash-user@gnucash.org > Subject: Re: [GNC] Accounting for partial payment of bill from > vendor > Hi, Derek. Thanks for the reply. > > I was thinking of doing something like that. > Maybe creating an Income:Discounts Received account, and crediting > $20 > to that from Liabilities:Accounts Payable. > > I had thought of doing that as a separate transaction, added directly > to the account registers. I did not think of adding a credit split to > the existing transaction, as I thought that might mess up however > GnuCash does its internal handling of payments using Business -> > Vendor > -> Find Bill -> Process Payment. > > Since this would seem to be a common scenario, was surprised that I > could not seem to find a way to have GnuCash "handle it > automatically". > > > > > On Sun, 2024-10-27 at 17:23 -0400, Derek Atkins wrote: > > Hi, > > > > IANAA Having said that, the way I would handle it is to > Process > > Payment for $200, and then go in and split the transaction so you > > still > > debit A/P the $200, but only credit $180 to your Checking and > credit > > $20 > > to whatever counter-account you are using to keep track of your > > discounts. > > > > -derek > > > > On Sun, October 27, 2024 5:10 pm, Default User wrote: > > > Hi! > > > > > > This should be a simple question, with a simple answer. > > > > > > Let's imagine that a customer purchases computer repair services > > > from a > > > vendor on 2024-10-27, for $200.00, due in 30 days. There are no > > > taxes > > > involved.ￜ The vendor will give a 10% discount ($20.00) for > early > > > payment. > > > > > > Let's assume, for simplicity, that the customer has these > starting > > > Account balances: > > > $0.00 Liabilities:Accounts Payable > > > $0.00 Expenses:Repairs:Computer Repairs > > > $200.00 Assets:Current Assets:Checking Account > > > > > > The customer uses GnuCash Version 4.13, from the default package > > > repository in Debian 12 GNU/Linux. He enters the bill from the > > > vendor > > > using: Business -> Vendor -> New Bill. This results in:ￜ > > > $200.00 debit to Expenses:Repairs:Computer Repairs > > > $200.00 credit to Liabilities:Accounts Payable > > > > > > Then, later the same day, the customer pays the vendor $180.00 > from > > > his > > > checking account. > > > This results in: > > > $180.00 debit to Liabilities:Accounts Payable > > > $180.00 credit to Assets:Curent Assets:Checking Account > > > > > > Since he has a $20.00 discount for early payment, he now owes the > > > vendor nothing. > > > > > > So, how does the customer enter the transaction(s) in GnuCash? > > > > > > If he uses Business -> Vendor -> Find Bill -> Process Payment, > > > entering > > > a Payment amount of $180.00, the result is : > > > $180.00 debit to Liabilities:Accounts Payable > > > $180.00 credit to Assets:Current Assets:Checking Account > > > > > > The Asssets:Current Assets:Checking Account balance is now > $20.00, > > > which is correct. > > > But the Liabilities:Accounts Payable balance is $20.00, which > > > should > > > not be correct, as the customer received a $20.00 discount for > > > early > > > payment. > > > > > > But if the customer instead uses Business -> Vendor -> Find Bill > -> > > > Process Payment, entering a Payment amount of $200.00, the result > > > is : > > > > > > $200.00 debit to Liabilities:Accounts Payable > > > $200.00 credit to Assets:Current Ass
Re: [GNC] Accounting for partial payment of bill from vendor
Hi, Derek. Thanks for the reply. I was thinking of doing something like that. Maybe creating an Income:Discounts Received account, and crediting $20 to that from Liabilities:Accounts Payable. I had thought of doing that as a separate transaction, added directly to the account registers. I did not think of adding a credit split to the existing transaction, as I thought that might mess up however GnuCash does its internal handling of payments using Business -> Vendor -> Find Bill -> Process Payment. Since this would seem to be a common scenario, was surprised that I could not seem to find a way to have GnuCash "handle it automatically". On Sun, 2024-10-27 at 17:23 -0400, Derek Atkins wrote: > Hi, > > IANAA Having said that, the way I would handle it is to Process > Payment for $200, and then go in and split the transaction so you > still > debit A/P the $200, but only credit $180 to your Checking and credit > $20 > to whatever counter-account you are using to keep track of your > discounts. > > -derek > > On Sun, October 27, 2024 5:10 pm, Default User wrote: > > Hi! > > > > This should be a simple question, with a simple answer. > > > > Let's imagine that a customer purchases computer repair services > > from a > > vendor on 2024-10-27, for $200.00, due in 30 days. There are no > > taxes > > involved.ￜ The vendor will give a 10% discount ($20.00) for early > > payment. > > > > Let's assume, for simplicity, that the customer has these starting > > Account balances: > > $0.00 Liabilities:Accounts Payable > > $0.00 Expenses:Repairs:Computer Repairs > > $200.00 Assets:Current Assets:Checking Account > > > > The customer uses GnuCash Version 4.13, from the default package > > repository in Debian 12 GNU/Linux. He enters the bill from the > > vendor > > using: Business -> Vendor -> New Bill. This results in:ￜ > > $200.00 debit to Expenses:Repairs:Computer Repairs > > $200.00 credit to Liabilities:Accounts Payable > > > > Then, later the same day, the customer pays the vendor $180.00 from > > his > > checking account. > > This results in: > > $180.00 debit to Liabilities:Accounts Payable > > $180.00 credit to Assets:Curent Assets:Checking Account > > > > Since he has a $20.00 discount for early payment, he now owes the > > vendor nothing. > > > > So, how does the customer enter the transaction(s) in GnuCash? > > > > If he uses Business -> Vendor -> Find Bill -> Process Payment, > > entering > > a Payment amount of $180.00, the result is : > > $180.00 debit to Liabilities:Accounts Payable > > $180.00 credit to Assets:Current Assets:Checking Account > > > > The Asssets:Current Assets:Checking Account balance is now $20.00, > > which is correct. > > But the Liabilities:Accounts Payable balance is $20.00, which > > should > > not be correct, as the customer received a $20.00 discount for > > early > > payment. > > > > But if the customer instead uses Business -> Vendor -> Find Bill -> > > Process Payment, entering a Payment amount of $200.00, the result > > is : > > > > $200.00 debit to Liabilities:Accounts Payable > > $200.00 credit to Assets:Current Assets:Checking Account > > The Accounts Payable balance is now $0.00, which would seem to be > > correct, as the customer now owes the vendor nothing. > > But the Checking Account balance is now $0.00, which would of > > course > > not be correct. > > > > So, what is the correct way to handle this situation, so that these > > account balances result: > > $0.00 Liabilities:Accounts Payable > > $20.00 Assets:Current Assets:Checking Account > > $200.00 Expenses:Repairs:Computer Repairs > > > > ??? > > > > > > ___ > > gnucash-user mailing list > > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > - > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > > ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
[GNC] Accounting for partial payment of bill from vendor
Hi! This should be a simple question, with a simple answer. Let's imagine that a customer purchases computer repair services from a vendor on 2024-10-27, for $200.00, due in 30 days. There are no taxes involved. The vendor will give a 10% discount ($20.00) for early payment. Let's assume, for simplicity, that the customer has these starting Account balances: $0.00 Liabilities:Accounts Payable $0.00 Expenses:Repairs:Computer Repairs $200.00 Assets:Current Assets:Checking Account The customer uses GnuCash Version 4.13, from the default package repository in Debian 12 GNU/Linux. He enters the bill from the vendor using: Business -> Vendor -> New Bill. This results in: $200.00 debit to Expenses:Repairs:Computer Repairs $200.00 credit to Liabilities:Accounts Payable Then, later the same day, the customer pays the vendor $180.00 from his checking account. This results in: $180.00 debit to Liabilities:Accounts Payable $180.00 credit to Assets:Curent Assets:Checking Account Since he has a $20.00 discount for early payment, he now owes the vendor nothing. So, how does the customer enter the transaction(s) in GnuCash? If he uses Business -> Vendor -> Find Bill -> Process Payment, entering a Payment amount of $180.00, the result is : $180.00 debit to Liabilities:Accounts Payable $180.00 credit to Assets:Current Assets:Checking Account The Asssets:Current Assets:Checking Account balance is now $20.00, which is correct. But the Liabilities:Accounts Payable balance is $20.00, which should not be correct, as the customer received a $20.00 discount for early payment. But if the customer instead uses Business -> Vendor -> Find Bill -> Process Payment, entering a Payment amount of $200.00, the result is : $200.00 debit to Liabilities:Accounts Payable $200.00 credit to Assets:Current Assets:Checking Account The Accounts Payable balance is now $0.00, which would seem to be correct, as the customer now owes the vendor nothing. But the Checking Account balance is now $0.00, which would of course not be correct. So, what is the correct way to handle this situation, so that these account balances result: $0.00 Liabilities:Accounts Payable $20.00 Assets:Current Assets:Checking Account $200.00 Expenses:Repairs:Computer Repairs ??? ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Equity Account "problem"
On Sun, 2023-07-16 at 13:50 -0500, Adrien Monteleone wrote: > On 7/12/23 10:53 AM, Default User wrote: > > ... I understand that the fundamental accounting equation > > is, of course: > > > > Assets - Liabilities = Equity > > No, and if you answered that on a test, it would be marked wrong. > > While the math works out and equations can be manipulated (as is the > case with your example above), the *Fundamental* Accounting Equation > is: > > Assets = Liabilities + Equity > > This is a system of Balance. Writing the equation correctly describes > how the system is designed. > > There is a Left Side that is Equal to the Right Side. > > Debit is on the Left. > Credit is on the Right. > > Debit = Credit > > Assets are normally Debit balanced. > Liabilities & Equity are normally Credit balanced. > > You can expand the equation to include the temporary accounts Income > & > Expenses, and being contributions to Equity, they belong on the Right > or > Credit side of the equation: > > Assets = Liabilities + Equity + (Income - Expenses) > > Notice the (-) sign in front of Expenses. This indicates it is a > 'contra > balanced' account, and since it is on the Right side of the equation > that means it is normally has the opposite balance of its side > (Credit), > thus it normally has a Debit balance. > > You can further manipulate the equation so all Debit balanced > accounts > are on the left, and only Credit balanced accounts are on the right: > > Assets + Expenses = Liabilities + Equity + Income > > This is all right out of a basic accounting textbook. > > There are many online, and every local library will likely have one > too. > > Regards, > Adrien > > ___ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > - > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. Hi, Adrien! Thanks for the explanation. I appreciate it! :) ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Equity Account "problem"
On Thu, 2023-07-13 at 10:25 -0400, Michael or Penny Novack wrote: > On 7/12/2023 8:18 PM, Default User wrote: > > On Wed, 2023-07-12 at 16:38 -0400, Michael or Penny Novack wrote: > > > On 7/11/2023 6:48 PM, Default User wrote: > > > > This is a case of not knowing the history (how bookkeeping changed > over > ~thousand year history) and never having kept books pen and ink on > paper > in modern bookkeeping (the last couple hundred years) > > > I will freely admit that I do not fully understand the formal > > definitions and usage of income and expense accounts. Indeed, I am > > not > > an accountant, or even a bookkeeper. But I do think I know enough > > to > > understand how closing the books includes transferring income and > > equity balances (or at least "income - expenses") to equity. > > The PROCESS of :close the books" in the old days of pen and ink on > paper > (how I learned) not only ended up with all income and expense > accounts > closed to equity but also produced the "Profit&Loss" report (aka > "Income > Statement, aka "Statement of Revenues and Expenses", etc.). The > income > and expense accounts were closed to equity INDIRECTLY. Only their net > was actually transferred to equity. > > There was ANOTHER temporary account of fundamental type equity called > "Profit and Loss". The income and expense accounts were closed to > this > account and then it closed by whatever amount would bring it into > balance. That would be labeled "net gain" or "net loss" depending on > what side it was on and the other side of that entry would be equity. > > > > So, "retained earnings" of "retained losses" would not be actual > > accounts, with actual transactions, but instead just calculated > > sums > > that appear in a Balance Sheet report? > Yes, but now you see where would be coming from, an entry in the > "P&L" > account (once was a real, if temporary account under equity). In > other > words, perhaps confused by temporary accounts once used in a process > but > that were zero balance before and after. The Balance Sheet report > assumes the books are closed when it is run << income and expense > accounts do not appear --- only their NET >> > > > > Perhaps that is similar to how I have always thought of equity - > > not as > > an actual account, but (very simplified, of course) the result of > > the > > calculated result of Assets - Liabilities. "Take what you own, > > subtract > > what you owe. What's left is your net worth (equity)". > > NOT a good idea to think that way because you are thinking only of > the > very special case of "sole". Equity is the ENTITY'S net wort, not > necessarily yours, and you had best think of real accounts as would > be > containing important information for joint ventures, partnerships, > co-operatives, corporations, etc. > > Michael D Novack > > > ___ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > - > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. Hi, Miichael! Thanks for the background information. Regarding: "Equity is the ENTITY'S net wort, not necessarily yours, and you had best think of real accounts as would be containing important information for joint ventures, partnerships, co-operatives, corporations, etc." Thankfully, I do not have to account for the finances of any of the above mentioned entities. I am just trying to keep track of my own finances, so I guess you could say that I am a "sole proprietor". Since I am not running or participating in a business, except for investments, I am spared most of the complexity. But I do want to know a little about accounting, so that I don't have to just give an accountant a load of boxes full of various financial papers, and say "You figure it out". a) That would be rude. b) The less I can explain to said accountant, the more likely that said accountant might have have to just resort to "best effort". c) The bill would make my eyes water! : ) For now I will just have to always keep in the back of my mind that: 1) Gnucash account ledgers should be thought of as primarily just a place to enter and edit actual transactions. 2) The Equity account should normally be considered to consist of Assets - Liabilities, (including opening balanc
Re: [GNC] Equity Account "problem"
On Wed, 2023-07-12 at 16:46 -0700, Stan Brown wrote: > On 2023-07-12 14:35, Default User wrote: > > Thank you for your reply. Especially the suggestion to "read up" > > on > > double-entry accounting. In that regard, I am reminded of the > > ancient > > Greek or Roman commentator who said (approximately): > > > > "Much study is a great weariness, and of writing books there is no > > end". > "There is no royal road to learning." > --Euclid, addressing one of the Ptolemies > > Stan Brown > Tehachapi, CA, USA > https://BrownMath.com > ___ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > - > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. Hi, Stan! True. In that regard, here is a bonus quote: "Thinking is the hardest work there is, which is probably the reason why so few engage in it." -- Henry Ford : ) ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Equity Account "problem"
On Thu, 2023-07-13 at 08:28 +1000, David Cousens wrote: > The answer is unfortunately it is both. I think Michael has already > explained > that Income and Expenses are actually temporary Equity accounts which > are kept > separate so that the profit/loss and other parameters of interest in > running a > business can be calculated over a shorter term either for management > and/or tax > calculation purposes. To get the cuurent equity at any point mid > period you > would use the balance of the Equity account + Income balance - > Expense Balances > at that date. A standard Balance Sheet report should give you the > Equity > balance and a Income/Expensereport to the same date as the balance > sheet to get > the relevant Income and Expense balances for the calculation. > > If your programming skills are up to it, you could create a > customized net worth > report . > > David Cousens > > On Wed, 2023-07-12 at 17:35 -0400, Default User wrote: > > On Wed, 2023-07-12 at 10:21 +1000, David Cousens wrote: > > > The calculation of Equity is automatic and built into double > > > entry > > > accounting > > > system. This is the purpose to a large extent of the two or more > > > entries > > > (referred to as splits in GnuCash documentation) associated with > > > a > > > single > > > transaction. Income and Expenses are Equity accounts that are > > > split > > > off from > > > equity with the primary purpose of measuring the short term loss > > > or > > > gain over a > > > specific period and you will notice if you look through the > > > examples > > > in the > > > GnuCash Help Manual and Tutorial Guide that most transactions > > > involve > > > one split > > > to an asset or liability account and another to either an Income > > > or > > > Expense > > > account except where the transaction is regarded as a capital > > > purchase which > > > will produce income over more than a single accounting period > > > (usually annually > > > but can be semi annually or monthly). > > > > > > It can be circumvented by not following the recommended > > > procedures. > > > First you > > > need to understand the double entry accounting system basics and > > > then > > > GnuCash's > > > implementation of it.There are on line resources on double entry > > > if > > > the > > > introduction in the gude and help manual is too brief for your > > > needs. > > > > > > David Cousens > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 2023-07-11 at 18:48 -0400, Default User wrote: > > > > Hi! > > > > > > > > Is there a way to have Gnucash 4.13 (Debian GNU/Linux 12 > > > > Bookworm) > > > > automatically calculate, and update "Equity" in the main > > > > accounts > > > > tab, > > > > to show the "real" value of total Equity, after any action (or > > > > at > > > > least > > > > transaction) that would affect "real" equity? > > > > > > > > Example: > > > > Start with the GnuCash "Common Accounts", as in > > > > gcashdata_1.gnucash > > > > from the Tutorial and Concepts Guide, with all accounts set to > > > > $0.00. > > > > > > > > Now make a transaction so that Equity:Opening Balances starts > > > > with > > > > $10.00, and Assets:Current Assets:Cash in Wallet starts with > > > > $10.00. > > > > At this point, Equity = $10.00. All good so far. > > > > > > > > But now, enter a transaction such as Expenses:Auto:Fuel > > > > (increase > > > > by > > > > $5.00), paid by transfer from Assets:Cash in Wallet (decrease > > > > by > > > > $5.00). > > > > > > > > So now: > > > > Assets = $5.00 > > > > Liabilities = $0.00 > > > > Equity = $10.00 > > > > > > > > So . . . if Assets - Liabilities = Equity, then > > > > $5.00 - $0.00 = $10.00? > > > > > > > > Thus, Equity does not seem to include the $5.00 Expense > > > > transaction. > > > > [Note: of course, the Balance Sheet in Reports does correctly > > > > show > > > > Equity as $5.00.] > > > > > > > >
Re: [GNC] Equity Account "problem"
On Wed, 2023-07-12 at 16:38 -0400, Michael or Penny Novack wrote: > On 7/11/2023 6:48 PM, Default User wrote: > > Hi! > > > > Is there a way to have Gnucash 4.13 (Debian GNU/Linux 12 Bookworm) > > automatically calculate, and update "Equity" in the main accounts > > tab, > > to show the "real" value of total Equity, after any action (or at > > least > > transaction) that would affect "real" equity? > > > > Example: > > Start with the GnuCash "Common Accounts", as in gcashdata_1.gnucash > > from the Tutorial and Concepts Guide, with all accounts set to > > $0.00. > > Stop -- I understand your example. Your problem is that you do not > understand what accounts of type "income" and "expense" are. They are > in > fact, "temporary" accounts of fundamental type "equity". They are > being > kept separate so that they may be viewed. It is the "close the books" > operation that would close them out to equity. > > Look at a Balance Sheet report. Do you see a "retained earnings" of > "retained losses". Those aren't accounts but the net of all income > and > expense accounts whose balances have not been transferred to equity > (by > a close the books). So if you want to see your actual equity, you can > run this report and add/subtract. Or of course, do a "close the > books" > << trust me, you probably won't ever bother* >> > > History -- In the early days of double entry bookkeeping there were > no > income/expense accounts and income or expense transactions WERE > written > to equity. That meant you could immediately see "what is my equity > today?" but would have to look through the journal to answer a > question > like :how many ducats of interest did we get last month?". That's how > the temporary accounts of type income and expense came about. > > But more important, why do you want to know instantaneous equity? > Having > lots of equity, having increasing equity, might not save you if > having a > "cash flow" problem. In other words, lots of things determine > economic > well being. > > > Michael D Novack > > * Not bother because gnucash can produce the report you would get > during > a traditional "close the books" without closing the books. > > ___ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > - > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. Hi, Michael! Thank you for your thoughtful reply. Regarding: 'Your problem is that you do not understand what accounts of type "income" and "expense" are. They are in fact, "temporary" accounts of fundamental type "equity". They are being kept separate so that they may be viewed. It is the "close the books" operation that would close them out to equity.' I will freely admit that I do not fully understand the formal definitions and usage of income and expense accounts. Indeed, I am not an accountant, or even a bookkeeper. But I do think I know enough to understand how closing the books includes transferring income and equity balances (or at least "income - expenses") to equity. Regarding: 'Do you see a "retained earnings" or "retained losses". Those aren't accounts but the net of all income and expense accounts whose balances have not been transferred to equity (by a close the books).' So, "retained earnings" of "retained losses" would not be actual accounts, with actual transactions, but instead just calculated sums that appear in a Balance Sheet report? Perhaps that is similar to how I have always thought of equity - not as an actual account, but (very simplified, of course) the result of the calculated result of Assets - Liabilities. "Take what you own, subtract what you owe. What's left is your net worth (equity)". Regarding: 'So if you want to see your actual equity, you can run [a Balance Sheet] report and add/subtract. Or of course, do a "close the books"' Yes, I know how to temporarily close the books using the GnuCash "Close Book" tool, and then un-close the books. Or, as you said, better (faster and easier), is to just run a balance sheet report. Which is what I will just continue to do. Regarding: 'History -- In the early days of double entry bookkeeping there were no income/expense accounts and
Re: [GNC] Equity Account "problem"
On Wed, 2023-07-12 at 10:21 +1000, David Cousens wrote: > The calculation of Equity is automatic and built into double entry > accounting > system. This is the purpose to a large extent of the two or more > entries > (referred to as splits in GnuCash documentation) associated with a > single > transaction. Income and Expenses are Equity accounts that are split > off from > equity with the primary purpose of measuring the short term loss or > gain over a > specific period and you will notice if you look through the examples > in the > GnuCash Help Manual and Tutorial Guide that most transactions involve > one split > to an asset or liability account and another to either an Income or > Expense > account except where the transaction is regarded as a capital > purchase which > will produce income over more than a single accounting period > (usually annually > but can be semi annually or monthly). > > It can be circumvented by not following the recommended procedures. > First you > need to understand the double entry accounting system basics and then > GnuCash's > implementation of it.There are on line resources on double entry if > the > introduction in the gude and help manual is too brief for your needs. > > David Cousens > > > On Tue, 2023-07-11 at 18:48 -0400, Default User wrote: > > Hi! > > > > Is there a way to have Gnucash 4.13 (Debian GNU/Linux 12 Bookworm) > > automatically calculate, and update "Equity" in the main accounts > > tab, > > to show the "real" value of total Equity, after any action (or at > > least > > transaction) that would affect "real" equity? > > > > Example: > > Start with the GnuCash "Common Accounts", as in gcashdata_1.gnucash > > from the Tutorial and Concepts Guide, with all accounts set to > > $0.00. > > > > Now make a transaction so that Equity:Opening Balances starts with > > $10.00, and Assets:Current Assets:Cash in Wallet starts with > > $10.00. > > At this point, Equity = $10.00. All good so far. > > > > But now, enter a transaction such as Expenses:Auto:Fuel (increase > > by > > $5.00), paid by transfer from Assets:Cash in Wallet (decrease by > > $5.00). > > > > So now: > > Assets = $5.00 > > Liabilities = $0.00 > > Equity = $10.00 > > > > So . . . if Assets - Liabilities = Equity, then > > $5.00 - $0.00 = $10.00? > > > > Thus, Equity does not seem to include the $5.00 Expense > > transaction. > > [Note: of course, the Balance Sheet in Reports does correctly show > > Equity as $5.00.] > > > > I assume that GnuCash has always been this way, from the beginning, > > and > > is not likely to change now! > > > > But is there a viable "workaround"? I am pretty sure I understand > > what > > is going on, and maybe why it was done that way (so that the > > account > > ledger tabs show legitimate transactions" only?) > > > > But it does bother my sense of "correctness". > > > > [Note: I did see somewhere online a link to a web page that may > > have at > > one time shown the desired solution, but the web page has since > > been > > 404'd.] > > > > : ( > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > gnucash-user mailing list > > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > - > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > ___ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > - > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. Hi, David! Thank you for your reply. Especially the suggestion to "read up" on double-entry accounting. In that regard, I am reminded of the ancient Greek or Roman commentator who said (approximately): "Much study is a great weariness, and of writing books there is no end". Anyway, may I just say by way of explanation, that I think the fundamental basis of my frustration is that the definition of Equity seems to be inconsistent and even contradictory. It seems that one can say: Assets - liabilities = Equity But in the next breath, they can say: Asset
Re: [GNC] Equity Account "problem"
On Tue, 2023-07-11 at 16:05 -0700, Stan Brown wrote: > > > Stan Brown > Tehachapi, CA, USA > https://BrownMath.com > > On 2023-07-11 15:48, Default User wrote: > > Is there a way to have Gnucash 4.13 (Debian GNU/Linux 12 Bookworm) > > automatically calculate, and update "Equity" in the main accounts > > tab, > > to show the "real" value of total Equity, after any action (or at > > least > > transaction) that would affect "real" equity? > > Not in Accounts -- Equity accounts get updated only if you enter > transactions to do that, or if you close the books. > > But see below for a different approach that will give you what you > want. > > > But now, enter a transaction such as Expenses:Auto:Fuel (increase > > by > > $5.00), paid by transfer from Assets:Cash in Wallet (decrease by > > $5.00). > > > > So now: > > Assets = $5.00 > > Liabilities = $0.00 > > Equity = $10.00 > > > > So . . . if Assets - Liabilities = Equity, then > > Not quite. > > Assets - Liabilities = Equity + (Income - Expenses) > > In your example, $5 - $0 = $10 + ($0 - $5) > > It's not instantaneous, but an easy way to get very close to what you > want is to run a balance sheet report. That shows assets, > liabilities, > and equity, but a generated item "Retained Earnings" under equity > that > equals total income minus total expenses. This gives you the sort of > balance you're looking for. > ___ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > - > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. Hi, Stan! I forgot that you did mention ' a generated item "Retained Earnings" under equity that equals total income minus total expenses'. I will have to check out Retained Earnings. Is that "generated item" something that is generated automatically or manually? But either way, if that has to be constantly updated manually, then that also does not seem like it would be a viable solution. But thanks for the suggestion. Addendum: in my previous reply, I noted the "jarring" effect of how the reports are presented. Please let me add that in addition to the use of black text, blue text, and even red text adds to the jarring effect, especially having it display against a blaring, bright white background. Quite a contrast to the more soothing muted gold and green against a gray background presented by the individual ledger tabs! Also, I acknowledge that someone might say, "You seem to be obsessed with the concept of Equity". Well . . . YES, I AM! To me Equity (Net Worth) is heart and soul of virtually every economic activity. It is what everything else leads up to. As the saying goes, "The bottom line IS the bottom line!" Equity (Net Worth) IS the bottom line. It is what every economic entity lives for, hopes for, works, eats, sleeps, breathes, and dreams for. Compared to Equity (Net Worth), perhaps nothing else really matters. Yes, I think Equity is that important. And I would hope that it would be treated as such in accounting. But, maybe that's just me . . . Finally, I made an error. I said: " . . . the only way to get the "real" equity at any arbitrarily chosen moment in time is to use the built-in Income Statement report." I meant to say: " . . . the only way to get the "real" equity at any arbitrarily chosen moment in time is to use the built-in Balance Sheet report." I apologize for the error. Thank you for your consideration! ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Equity Account "problem"
On Tue, 2023-07-11 at 16:05 -0700, Stan Brown wrote: > > > > > > Stan Brown > > Tehachapi, CA, USA > > https://BrownMath.com > > > > On 2023-07-11 15:48, Default User wrote: > > > > Is there a way to have Gnucash 4.13 (Debian GNU/Linux 12 > > > > Bookworm) > > > > automatically calculate, and update "Equity" in the main > > > > accounts > > > > tab, > > > > to show the "real" value of total Equity, after any action (or > > > > at > > > > least > > > > transaction) that would affect "real" equity? > > > > Not in Accounts -- Equity accounts get updated only if you enter > > transactions to do that, or if you close the books. > > > > But see below for a different approach that will give you what you > > want. > > > > > > But now, enter a transaction such as Expenses:Auto:Fuel > > > > (increase > > > > by > > > > $5.00), paid by transfer from Assets:Cash in Wallet (decrease > > > > by > > > > $5.00). > > > > > > > > So now: > > > > Assets = $5.00 > > > > Liabilities = $0.00 > > > > Equity = $10.00 > > > > > > > > So . . . if Assets - Liabilities = Equity, then > > > > Not quite. > > > > Assets - Liabilities = Equity + (Income - Expenses) > > > > In your example, $5 - $0 = $10 + ($0 - $5) > > > > It's not instantaneous, but an easy way to get very close to what > > you > > want is to run a balance sheet report. That shows assets, > > liabilities, > > and equity, but a generated item "Retained Earnings" under equity > > that > > equals total income minus total expenses. This gives you the sort > > of > > balance you're looking for. > > ___ > > gnucash-user mailing list > > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > - > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. Hi, Stan. First, "full disclosure". I am not an accountant or even a bookkeeper. So I do not presume to be conversant with the details of standard double-entry bookkeeping. That being said, I understand that the fundamental accounting equation is, of course: Assets - Liabilities = Equity and that (one) expanded version of the fundamental accounting equation is, of course: Assets - Liabilities = Equity + (Income - Expenses). Now, by default, GnuCash seems to adhere to Assets - Liabilities = Equity. But unless and until the books are "closed", it seems to completely disregard Assets - Liabilities = Equity + (Income - Expenses), to the extent that Equity would consist of only entries in the Equity:Opening Balances sub-account (at least until closing time, when Income and Expenses are "transferred into" Equity, and thus the Income and Expense accounts are "zeroed out"). At this point, it would seem that Assets - Liabilities would then "really" equal Equity. As you said: "Equity accounts get updated only if you enter transactions to do that, or if you close the books." I could set up two sub-accounts under Equity, such as: Equity:Transfers form Expense Accounts Equity:Transfers from Income Accounts and manually enter transactions to transfer the balances from the Expenses and Income accounts, respectively. Or, I could manually make said transfers directly to the Equity account, but the Equity account would then seem to become very cluttered, very fast. Or, I could just "close the books" temporarily, to see the "real" equity amount in Equity, then immediately un-close the books, so as to not upset the reporting functions. All of these approaches seem a little clunky. But the big problem is that any such manual approach would probably become ridiculously tedious, very quickly. If there is no way to get GnuCash to do this automatically, then it seems that the only way to get the "real" equity at any arbitrarily chosen moment in time is to use the built-in Income Statement report. So, why not just run reports as needed? I can only try to explain by saying that: 1) For me, when I am using the ledger accounts as presented in the main accounts window, suddenly popping up a report tab is visually and mentally "jarring". The text size and fonts are quite different, as is the structure and organization of the reports. 2) Perhaps worse, whenever I am using the account
Re: [GNC] Equity Account "problem"
On Tue, 2023-07-11 at 16:00 -0700, Dean Gibson wrote: > There is no work-around because you do not understand the *BASICS *of > accounting. I would suggest a good book (there are many). > > On 2023-07-11 15:48, Default User wrote: > > Hi! > > > > Is there a way to have Gnucash 4.13 (Debian GNU/Linux 12 Bookworm) > > automatically calculate, and update "Equity" in the main accounts > > tab, > > to show the "real" value of total Equity, after any action (or at > > least > > transaction) that would affect "real" equity? > > > > Example: > > Start with the GnuCash "Common Accounts", as in gcashdata_1.gnucash > > from the Tutorial and Concepts Guide, with all accounts set to > > $0.00. > > > > Now make a transaction so that Equity:Opening Balances starts with > > $10.00, and Assets:Current Assets:Cash in Wallet starts with > > $10.00. > > At this point, Equity = $10.00. All good so far. > > > > But now, enter a transaction such as Expenses:Auto:Fuel (increase > > by > > $5.00), paid by transfer from Assets:Cash in Wallet (decrease by > > $5.00). > > > > So now: > > Assets = $5.00 > > Liabilities = $0.00 > > Equity = $10.00 > > > > So . . . if Assets - Liabilities = Equity, then > > $5.00 - $0.00 = $10.00? > > > > Thus, Equity does not seem to include the $5.00 Expense > > transaction. > > [Note: of course, the Balance Sheet in Reports does correctly show > > Equity as $5.00.] > > > > I assume that GnuCash has always been this way, from the beginning, > > and > > is not likely to change now! > > > > But is there a viable "workaround"? I am pretty sure I understand > > what > > is going on, and maybe why it was done that way (so that the > > account > > ledger tabs show legitimate transactions" only?) > > > > But it does bother my sense of "correctness". > > > > [Note: I did see somewhere online a link to a web page that may > > have at > > one time shown the desired solution, but the web page has since > > been > > 404'd.] > > > > : ( > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > gnucash-user mailing list > > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > - > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > ___ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > - > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. Ouch! Sorry . . . : ) ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
[GNC] Equity Account "problem"
Hi! Is there a way to have Gnucash 4.13 (Debian GNU/Linux 12 Bookworm) automatically calculate, and update "Equity" in the main accounts tab, to show the "real" value of total Equity, after any action (or at least transaction) that would affect "real" equity? Example: Start with the GnuCash "Common Accounts", as in gcashdata_1.gnucash from the Tutorial and Concepts Guide, with all accounts set to $0.00. Now make a transaction so that Equity:Opening Balances starts with $10.00, and Assets:Current Assets:Cash in Wallet starts with $10.00. At this point, Equity = $10.00. All good so far. But now, enter a transaction such as Expenses:Auto:Fuel (increase by $5.00), paid by transfer from Assets:Cash in Wallet (decrease by $5.00). So now: Assets = $5.00 Liabilities = $0.00 Equity = $10.00 So . . . if Assets - Liabilities = Equity, then $5.00 - $0.00 = $10.00? Thus, Equity does not seem to include the $5.00 Expense transaction. [Note: of course, the Balance Sheet in Reports does correctly show Equity as $5.00.] I assume that GnuCash has always been this way, from the beginning, and is not likely to change now! But is there a viable "workaround"? I am pretty sure I understand what is going on, and maybe why it was done that way (so that the account ledger tabs show legitimate transactions" only?) But it does bother my sense of "correctness". [Note: I did see somewhere online a link to a web page that may have at one time shown the desired solution, but the web page has since been 404'd.] : ( ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Can not resize GnuCash Preferences window
On Thu, 2023-06-29 at 13:08 -0700, Stan Brown wrote: > On 2023-06-29 12:59, Default User wrote: > > Unfortunately, I still do not know any way to resize the window to > > less > > that the minimum dimensions set by the programmer(s). > > Apologies if I'm misremembering, but I think you're in Windows. (The > rationale for making _any_ window non-resizable escapes me, yet > Windows > itself contains many such.) In Windows, it's up to the programmer to > make a window resizable or not. If the programmer makes it > non-resizable, as far as I know there's no way for the user to > override > that. > > > As for resolution, the native resolution of my computer is 1920 x > > 1080. > > That does show the whole Preferences window, but the display is > > just > > too small to be used for anything except squinting just long enough > > to > > edit the Preferences, and then switch the resolution back to 1360 x > > 768, which is the highest my eyes can really "work with". > > Two settings are relevant: resolution and scale. In Windows 10, > right-click an empty area of your desktop and select Display > Settings. > In the dialog that opens, change the setting in the drop-down list > under > "Scale and layout / Change the size of text, apps, and other items". > You > may find that changing that setting makes your 1920×1080 display > readable. (Already-open windows may or may not resize themselves, but > any new windows should display in the desired scale.) > > In other versions of Windows the same setting exists, but you may > have > to get to it in a different way are different. > > Stan Brown > Tehachapi, CA, USA > https://BrownMath.com > ___ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > - > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. Hi Stan! Actually, no - I am not running Windows. I am running Debian 12, Gnome 43.4, and wayland. Thanks anyway! ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Can not resize GnuCash Preferences window
On Wed, 2023-06-28 at 23:34 -0500, Tommy Trussell wrote: > On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 8:00 PM Default User > wrote: > > Well, doing Alt-F7, then moving bit by bit with the arrow keys, did > > work to move the window up, so it can be used to edit the > > Preferences > > window. I thought I had tried that earlier without success, but > > maybe I > > just wasn't doing it "right". > > > > > Hi -- if your keyboard has a "windows" button on it (usually bottom > row, with ctrl, alt, space bar etc) try holding that button down and > then dragging the window. You can click anywhere in the window and > drag it. It worked for me just now in Ubuntu 23.04, running Wayland. > > There are several places where GnuCash probably ought to handle lower > resolutions, but there's a stated minimum resolution the developers > test against, and making it "fit" lower resolutions is unlikely to be > a very high priority. (Years ago I used to regularly run GnuCash on a > "netbook" and there are several uncomfortable areas, especially the > application and report preferences.) > > Of course the source is readily available! Maybe this will be the > itch you yearn to scratch. > > > - > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. Hi, Tommy! Your suggestion to move the Preferences window by holding down the "Windows" key while dragging the window with the mouse does work. Thanks! So, there are at least 3 ways to move the window: 1) Alt-F7, then use arrows on keyboard. 2) Alt-F7, then drag window with mouse 3) hold down the "Windows" key while dragging the window with the mouse (which seems the easiest to me). Unfortunately, I still do not know any way to resize the window to less that the minimum dimensions set by the programmer(s). As for resolution, the native resolution of my computer is 1920 x 1080. That does show the whole Preferences window, but the display is just too small to be used for anything except squinting just long enough to edit the Preferences, and then switch the resolution back to 1360 x 768, which is the highest my eyes can really "work with". BTW, since I am not a programmer, I can't change how a program is coded. That's a shame, because I am just guessing that making a window resizeable might not be that hard to do. But of course, that's easy for me to say . . . Thanks again! ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Can not resize GnuCash Preferences window
On Sun, 2023-06-25 at 19:33 -0500, David Carlson wrote: > Well, I am running GnuCash 4.8 usually in Ubuntu 22.04, and I see > that the Preferences window fills the vertical space where my display > is set to 1366 x 768. There is no need for the window to be that > tall and fixed in size without a scrollbar. I would file an > enhancement bug report to give that window a scrollbar, if nobody > else beats you to it. > > On Sun, Jun 25, 2023 at 7:07 PM NoobAlice > wrote: > > Default User hunguponcontent, > > > > This is probably a Wayland windowing system problem, not a GnuCash > > problem. On Xorg, the window is easily resizable and movable. > > > > What have you tried besides changing the display resolution back > > and forth? > > > > If you were on Xorg, I would say try these individual solutions on > > the > > Preferences window: > > * dragging the grabbable titlebar of the window down, then using > > your > > mouse to resize the window shorter, then dragging it up so you can > > see > > the bottom > > * holding down your Alt key and then click-holding your normal > > (left) > > mouse button and dragging the window with your mouse > > * hitting Alt+F7, then using your arrow keys to move the window and > > hitting Enter when you have it where you want it > > * hitting Alt+F8, then using your arrow keys to resize the sides of > > the > > window and hitting Enter when you have it where you want it > > > > And then I would tell you that, if this window is appearing in the > > wrong > > place all the time, you could install and set up devilspie to fix > > it > > permanently. :) > > > > Surely Wayland has some similar way to manipulate windows. My > > quick > > search says that shortcuts are handled by the compositor in Wayland > > [1]. > > You might get much better answers if you ask in the Gnome support > > channels. > > > > Good luck! This is a frustrating problem to have. :( > > > > [1] > > https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Wayland#Input_grabbing_in_games,_remote_desktop_and_VM_windows > > > > > > On 2023-06-25 03:08 PM, Default User wrote: > > > Hello! > > > > > > I am trying to set up GnuCash: > > > > > > Version: 4.13 > > > Build ID: 4.13+(2022-12-17) > > > Finance::Quote: 1.54 > > > > > > on Debian 12 (bookworm), 64-bit, using Gnome 43.4, wayland > > > windowing > > > system (not xorg). > > > > > > This is a .deb package, "GnuCash Version: 1:4.13-1, Built-Using: > > > googletest (= 1.12.1-0.2)", from the Debian Stable repositories, > > > NOT a > > > flatpak, snap, or appimage. > > > > > > When I do Edit --> Preferences, the Preferences window opens, but > > > the > > > bottom part is cut off. No matter what I try, I can am not able > > > to > > > resize it to fit the screen. Nor can I even move it past the top > > > edge > > > of the screen. I even tried reducing the display resolution, to > > > no > > > avail. > > > > > > So, is there a solution, or even a viable workaround? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > gnucash-user mailing list > > > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > > - > > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > > ___ > > gnucash-user mailing list > > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > - > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > -- > David Carlson Hi! Well, doing Alt-F7, then moving bit by bit with the arrow keys, did work to move the window up, so it can be used to edit the Preferences window. I thought I had tried that earlier without success, but maybe I just wasn't doing it "right". Unfortunately, nothing worked to resize the window. It seems to have a minimum vertical and horizontal size programmed in, so that it can be resized to be bigger than, but not smaller than the built-in minimum dimensions. BTW, regarding this problem, there did not seem to be any difference at all between using wayland and using xorg. So that's doesn't seem to be the source of the problem. Anyway, thanks to David and NoobAlice for the hints! ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Can not resize GnuCash Preferences window
On Sun, 2023-06-25 at 16:19 -0500, David Carlson wrote: > Do you have a friend or neighbor that could loan you a high > resolution monitor for a few hours? > > On Sun, Jun 25, 2023, 2:09 PM Default User > wrote: > > Hello! > > > > I am trying to set up GnuCash: > > > > Version: 4.13 > > Build ID: 4.13+(2022-12-17) > > Finance::Quote: 1.54 > > > > on Debian 12 (bookworm), 64-bit, using Gnome 43.4, wayland > > windowing > > system (not xorg). > > > > This is a .deb package, "GnuCash Version: 1:4.13-1, Built-Using: > > googletest (= 1.12.1-0.2)", from the Debian Stable repositories, > > NOT a > > flatpak, snap, or appimage. > > > > When I do Edit --> Preferences, the Preferences window opens, but > > the > > bottom part is cut off. No matter what I try, I can am not able to > > resize it to fit the screen. Nor can I even move it past the top > > edge > > of the screen. I even tried reducing the display resolution, to no > > avail. > > > > So, is there a solution, or even a viable workaround? > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > gnucash-user mailing list > > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > - > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. Hi David. Here's what I did: I actually INCREASED the resolution from 1360 x 768 to 1920 x 1080 (MY EYES! MY EYES!!) long enough to edit the Preferences window, then decreased to resolution back to 1360 x 768 (I CAN SEE AGAIN! I CAN SEE!!) Not a real solution, but a just barely effective, half-donkeyed, duct tape work-around. Note: this is an old problem that has been around for YEARS. Previously, I was able to work around it by moving the top of the preferences window above the top of the screen, but apparently that (and a lot of other things) don't work in "modern" Gnome. [Note: there seems to be enough blank space near the bottom of the Preferences window to shrink its height enough to fit the screen. Or, the window could always be made resizeable, with a scroll bar . . . )] Anyway, thanks for the reply! ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
[GNC] Can not resize GnuCash Preferences window
Hello! I am trying to set up GnuCash: Version: 4.13 Build ID: 4.13+(2022-12-17) Finance::Quote: 1.54 on Debian 12 (bookworm), 64-bit, using Gnome 43.4, wayland windowing system (not xorg). This is a .deb package, "GnuCash Version: 1:4.13-1, Built-Using: googletest (= 1.12.1-0.2)", from the Debian Stable repositories, NOT a flatpak, snap, or appimage. When I do Edit --> Preferences, the Preferences window opens, but the bottom part is cut off. No matter what I try, I can am not able to resize it to fit the screen. Nor can I even move it past the top edge of the screen. I even tried reducing the display resolution, to no avail. So, is there a solution, or even a viable workaround? ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] How to add investment accounts to existing gnucash file
On Sat, Sep 5, 2020, 07:44 David Cousens wrote: > You can aslo use the Actions->New Account Heirarchy and deselect any > account > structures you do not want to add and then select the specific account > structures you want to add, in your case select the Investment Accounts > option. > > David Cousens > > > > > - > David Cousens > -- > Sent from: http://gnucash.1415818.n4.nabble.com/GnuCash-User-f1415819.html > ___ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > - > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > Thanks to all for the replies! Here is the answer: Using the New Account Hierarchy assistant DOES allow pre-defined accounts to be added to an existing file, without losing the existing accounts and data. And, of course, back up your existing file beforehand, just in case. ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] How to add investment accounts to existing gnucash file
On Fri, Sep 4, 2020, 22:03 David Carlson wrote: > Funny you should ask. Chapter 9 of the user guide was written just for you > https://code.gnucash.org/docs/C/gnucash-guide/invest_accounts1.html > > On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 8:37 PM Default User > wrote: > >> Hi! >> >> I am using gnucash 3.10, up to date. >> >> I have a file with existing accounts in it, but no investment accounts. >> >> Is there a simple way to add investment accounts without starting a new >> file, or overwriting the existing one, and thus losing my existing >> accounts >> (and their data)? >> ___ >> gnucash-user mailing list >> gnucash-user@gnucash.org >> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >> - >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >> > > > -- > David Carlson > Hi, David. Thanks for the reply. I have of course read about using the New Account Heirarchy Setup to add the investment accounts. But I thought it would be a great idea to ask first if my existing data would be lost. As any carpenter will tell you - "Measure twice, cut once!" ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
[GNC] How to add investment accounts to existing gnucash file
Hi! I am using gnucash 3.10, up to date. I have a file with existing accounts in it, but no investment accounts. Is there a simple way to add investment accounts without starting a new file, or overwriting the existing one, and thus losing my existing accounts (and their data)? ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
