Re: GNUstep.org website redesign proposal
Hi, On Thursday, January 2, 2014 04:05 CET, Gregory Casamento greg.casame...@gmail.com wrote: I don't like the use of the old gorm icon. So I now can assume that you like everything else besides that icon? cheers, Sebastian On Monday, December 30, 2013, Sebastian Reitenbach wrote: Hi all, I guess everybody knows, and also agrees that the GNUstep website is looking fairly dated, and that finding contents in it, is somtetimes only possible with help of google. the last few days I spent on thinking about the website, what it may need, digging html5 and css3, and came up with the following design, that you can find here: https://www.l00-bugdead-prods.de/index7.html Note, not all pages and links are implemented. I did not wanted to waste too much time, in case, the majority of people doesn't like with what I've come up. Older revisions, that finally lead to the design I have now, can be seen here: https://www.l00-bugdead-prods.de/index3.html https://www.l00-bugdead-prods.de/index5.html https://www.l00-bugdead-prods.de/index6.html The major design goals of the page are: * have a half way modern look, but don't overdo * easy and logical menu structuring, it should be easy to find things following a logic Further Ideas and things I had considered while designing were: Intended main audience: * MAC Developers seeking to port their apps to other platforms * Developers from other platforms, seeking to base their projects, commercial or free, on GNUstep * Packagers, that want to package GNUstep for their favourite OS/Distribution Not intended main audience, but also welcomed: * End users of any kind * direct End users to the pages to GWorkspace or SystemPreferences, Example applications, and screenshots * otherwise, direct end users to GAP and maybe other external sites Why chose the main audience above? * GNUstep is a set of libraries, providing an API to be used by developers * libraries are accompanied by a set of development tools * GWorkspace and SystemPreferences are nice show cases for developers that want to get to know what they can get from GNUstep General design goals of the page: * Its generally intended to attract the main intended audience * have a modern look and feel, but keep the page simple * page should work with recent modern browsers * making use of modern HTML5 and CSS3 * page may look a bit odd with old browsers (this likely includes SWK ;) * but who is really using a browser that does not understand HTML5/CSS3, or at least a subset of it? Even Google doesn't support old browsers. * simple wording, short and clear sentences * simple page structure, simulating the MAC Desktop * main menu (the dock at the bottom on every page) * always all the time visible * horizontal menu on the top dependent on what's chosen from the dock at the bottom * the icon on the left shows which menu entry was chosen from the dock at the bottom Some more specific design decisions are based on: * design of the contents of the homepage: * do not overload with information or images, the page should load fast ;) * address the most interesting questions someone looking for GNUstep might have with links to the right subpages * generally inspired from www.gtk.org * Footer/Dock: * show some modern CSS tricks, hopefully giving the (right) impression of GNUstep being modern too * mostly white background * white looks clean * but if there are better suggestions, and a different background color can be agreed on, then it should be ;) * horizontal top menu is inspired by www.apple.com * make Mac developers feel at home * its simple, looking nice * no submenus, but having submenus there, if agreed on, can easily be added, see an older incarnation of the design: https://www.l00-bugdead-prods.de/index3.html * the icon on the left is the same as the one clicked at the bottom, in order to signal where the user currently is * grey color in the horizontal menu on the top, and other elements * GNUstep apps are grey, or maybe in the future that will (hopefully) change when another theme gets included in GUI, but the color is chosen in reference to the GUI apps and history to NeXT * but if there are other suggestions for coloring the menu and other elements, and it can be agreed on, then it should be ;) * text alignment is justified * differentiate external links: those are marked with icon * News box on front page: * shows news on, releases, hackathons, papers, etc. * shows there is live in the community * New pages: hackathons page and papers page: * show there is live in the community * show there is fun in the community * make use of SSIs, to ease updating, at least for the top menu, and the
Re: GNUstep.org website redesign proposal
Hi,
On Thursday, January 2, 2014 04:04 CET, Gregory Casamento
greg.casame...@gmail.com wrote:
Hey guys,
I realize this isn't a direct comment on the proposed redesign... The
current proposal is nice, but also you should have a look at how Riccardo
redid gap. http://gap.nongnu.org
I've seen it already some days ago, and I answered on that in the smaller
round before, but will repeat, with some more comments:
What I like is the top menu, but this huge blob of text below it, is a bit too
heavy.
The rest of the front page looks fairly boxed, and I don't think that a
link to every app on GAP has to be on the main page.
Further, the news section is at the bottom, you have to scroll down to
get aware of it.
Also the FTP page he changed, the app icon now is in the middle of those
two horizontal rules just looks a bit displaced, and wastes a lot of space.
There is also a link behind it, for no reason.
Also the links as buttons look odd,
especially when you look at it with a small screen, how they do line up.
As I wrote before in a smaller round, as an active GAP member,
and there aren't that many, I find it a bit odd Riccardo experimenting
with the life website, but not announcing it before to the GAP members.
I would have liked to give input for that pages and style,
if he would have presented a proposal about his new design, and
some concept behind it.
Sebastian
GC
On Jan 1, 2014, at 5:04 PM, Doug Simons
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'doug.sim...@testplant.com');
wrote:
On Dec 31, 2013, at 5:09 AM, Markus Hitter wrote:
Am 31.12.2013 02:09, schrieb Sebastian Reitenbach:
https://www.l00-bugdead-prods.de/index7.html
First, big compliments for the Dock implementation. It works flawlessly
in a mouse/trackpad driven environment.
Hovever, menus at the bottom of a web pages / windows are very unusual
(the real thing is at the bottom of the screen, which is something
different), so it took me a second visit to see it at all. Having a
standard menu in the upper region suggested there's no need to search
for navigation.
I agree that it's unexpected to have a navigation control at the bottom of
the window, so many people will miss it. I was totally impressed by the
implementation, though -- awesome job! And I agree with Sebastian's points
about making the site look modern, cool, and appealing to Mac users. So why
not move the dock to the left side? It's not the Mac OS X default, but a
lot of people move their docks to the left so it will still be very
recognizable to Mac users. And it's a common location for secondary web
navigation controls, so even though it may look slightly odd to non-Mac
visitors they should be able to use it too.
There remains the issue that it might still be slightly less obvious to
folks using touch devices. Maybe it would be possible to add titles below
the icons for those devices?
Overall, this looks to me like a vast improvement over the current site! I
think the text of the first paragraph still needs work to focus it more
tightly: drop any mention of NeXT and OpenStep, which is only a distraction
now, and make Cocoa more prominent. Maybe something like this for the first
paragraph:
GNUstep is an open-source framework modeled on Apple's Cocoa frameworks to
provide a cross-platform API to make it easy to create sophisticated modern
software. Ports of OS X software to other platforms and new software
development in Objective-C are both supported, with or without a graphical
user interface.
(And then be sure to include the obligatory trademark disclaimers in the
fine print at the bottom of the page to keep Apple's lawyers from getting
excited!)
Cheers,
Doug
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Re: GNUstep.org website redesign proposal
On Wednesday, January 1, 2014 19:18 CET, Riccardo Mottola r...@gnu.org wrote: Hi David, I totally agree, between Xmas, New Year and bugs I had to time for website coding. If you check what I started on gap.nongnu.org, it has only menus which I want to eliminate too and it works on iPhone (except for the menus). I had no time to follow and to reply all the threads sorry. I do not like Sebastian's design too much aesthetically, however he has valid points in the website restructuring, which needs to be done anyway also for the design I have in mind. I'll layout some ideas I have discussed with Greg as soon as I can. I hope that we can share ideas and efforts there. Maybe you could create a PoC webpage somewhere, to better show off what you have in mind and discussed with Greg? Also why your design then ended up as is, some background information would be nice ;) Then I think it will be easier to take the best ideas from both designs, and combine the work. Actually, the best would be to start the restructuring using the current, proven look and later apply a new look. For me this sounds than much more work than doing a radical change. Now you are going to touch every page, restructuring, then you go touch the pages again, applying the nits needed for the new CSS and style to work? To everyone else, thanks for the feedback so far. I'll collect it, and send a summary, I think latest on the weekend. cheers, Sebastian Riccardo David Wetzel wrote: Hi Guys, the doc idea is fun, but I think we should avoid any mouseover and other effects and make it as simple and clean as possible. It should also work on small touch screens. If you do not have an iphone, you can get Xcode for the mac and try it in the simulator. Otherwise try the browser in an android simulator :-) Cheers, David On Dec 30, 2013, at 20:09, Sebastian Reitenbach sebas...@l00-bugdead-prods.de wrote: https://www.l00-bugdead-prods.de/index7.html ___ Gnustep-dev mailing list Gnustep-dev@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnustep-dev
Re: GNUstep.org website redesign proposal
Sebastian, No, that's not the only thing I don't like. Here's the list of things that I'm thinking so far... 1) The proposed design resembles one from years ago... http://web.archive.org/web/20031225092930/http://gnustep.org/ Not EXACTLY the same, but it puts me in mind of it for some reason that I can't put my finger on. 2) The Dock is not centered on the content, it's a little off center... I know this is just a mock up now, but it's distracting. 3) Is the dock really needed if we have the menus on the top as in Riccardo's redesign of GAP? 4) The Design is not very minimal. One of the recent trends in design is minimalism. These are not blockers and, of course, whatever the majority thinks is best is what should prevail. These are just my thoughts. Greg On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 4:49 AM, Sebastian Reitenbach sebas...@l00-bugdead-prods.de wrote: Hi, On Thursday, January 2, 2014 04:05 CET, Gregory Casamento greg.casame...@gmail.com wrote: I don't like the use of the old gorm icon. So I now can assume that you like everything else besides that icon? cheers, Sebastian On Monday, December 30, 2013, Sebastian Reitenbach wrote: Hi all, I guess everybody knows, and also agrees that the GNUstep website is looking fairly dated, and that finding contents in it, is somtetimes only possible with help of google. the last few days I spent on thinking about the website, what it may need, digging html5 and css3, and came up with the following design, that you can find here: https://www.l00-bugdead-prods.de/index7.html Note, not all pages and links are implemented. I did not wanted to waste too much time, in case, the majority of people doesn't like with what I've come up. Older revisions, that finally lead to the design I have now, can be seen here: https://www.l00-bugdead-prods.de/index3.html https://www.l00-bugdead-prods.de/index5.html https://www.l00-bugdead-prods.de/index6.html The major design goals of the page are: * have a half way modern look, but don't overdo * easy and logical menu structuring, it should be easy to find things following a logic Further Ideas and things I had considered while designing were: Intended main audience: * MAC Developers seeking to port their apps to other platforms * Developers from other platforms, seeking to base their projects, commercial or free, on GNUstep * Packagers, that want to package GNUstep for their favourite OS/Distribution Not intended main audience, but also welcomed: * End users of any kind * direct End users to the pages to GWorkspace or SystemPreferences, Example applications, and screenshots * otherwise, direct end users to GAP and maybe other external sites Why chose the main audience above? * GNUstep is a set of libraries, providing an API to be used by developers * libraries are accompanied by a set of development tools * GWorkspace and SystemPreferences are nice show cases for developers that want to get to know what they can get from GNUstep General design goals of the page: * Its generally intended to attract the main intended audience * have a modern look and feel, but keep the page simple * page should work with recent modern browsers * making use of modern HTML5 and CSS3 * page may look a bit odd with old browsers (this likely includes SWK ;) * but who is really using a browser that does not understand HTML5/CSS3, or at least a subset of it? Even Google doesn't support old browsers. * simple wording, short and clear sentences * simple page structure, simulating the MAC Desktop * main menu (the dock at the bottom on every page) * always all the time visible * horizontal menu on the top dependent on what's chosen from the dock at the bottom * the icon on the left shows which menu entry was chosen from the dock at the bottom Some more specific design decisions are based on: * design of the contents of the homepage: * do not overload with information or images, the page should load fast ;) * address the most interesting questions someone looking for GNUstep might have with links to the right subpages * generally inspired from www.gtk.org * Footer/Dock: * show some modern CSS tricks, hopefully giving the (right) impression of GNUstep being modern too * mostly white background * white looks clean * but if there are better suggestions, and a different background color can be agreed on, then it should be ;) * horizontal top menu is inspired by www.apple.com * make Mac developers feel at home * its simple, looking nice * no submenus, but having submenus there, if agreed on, can easily be added, see an older incarnation of the design: https://www.l00-bugdead-prods.de/index3.html * the icon
Re: GNUstep.org website redesign proposal
Sebastian, On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 5:11 AM, Sebastian Reitenbach sebas...@l00-bugdead-prods.de wrote: On Wednesday, January 1, 2014 19:18 CET, Riccardo Mottola r...@gnu.org wrote: Hi David, I totally agree, between Xmas, New Year and bugs I had to time for website coding. If you check what I started on gap.nongnu.org, it has only menus which I want to eliminate too and it works on iPhone (except for the menus). I had no time to follow and to reply all the threads sorry. I do not like Sebastian's design too much aesthetically, however he has valid points in the website restructuring, which needs to be done anyway also for the design I have in mind. I'll layout some ideas I have discussed with Greg as soon as I can. I hope that we can share ideas and efforts there. Maybe you could create a PoC webpage somewhere, to better show off what you have in mind and discussed with Greg? Also why your design then ended up as is, some background information would be nice ;) I agree. It would be nice to have an example to work on. Then I think it will be easier to take the best ideas from both designs, and combine the work. Also agreed. Actually, the best would be to start the restructuring using the current, proven look and later apply a new look. For me this sounds than much more work than doing a radical change. Now you are going to touch every page, restructuring, then you go touch the pages again, applying the nits needed for the new CSS and style to work? I disagree with Riccardo here in the sense that the current look is not proven at all. What needs to happen is a radical redesign of the site and an entirely new way of presenting the information on it. I hate to sound like a business person, but our recent discussion on the list with Doc O'Leary did yield a few unpleasant revelations.One of which is that our message is entirely confusing and that the website is a big part of that. To everyone else, thanks for the feedback so far. I'll collect it, and send a summary, I think latest on the weekend. Thanks, GC cheers, Sebastian -- Gregory Casamento Open Logic Corporation, Principal Consultant yahoo/skype: greg_casamento, aol: gjcasa (240)274-9630 (Cell) http://www.gnustep.org http://heronsperch.blogspot.com ___ Gnustep-dev mailing list Gnustep-dev@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnustep-dev
Re: GNUstep.org website redesign proposal
Whatever design we end up, I think now it's right time to propose we implement it using some web-editable CMS. From my experience with it, Wordpress would probably suit us well and would allow a trusted set of people to edit the website. (And being able to contribute a stream of news and articles is only a bonus.) I'm not sure a wiki would be able to masquerade as a website, but it would certainly complement it. On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 10:11 AM, Sebastian Reitenbach sebas...@l00-bugdead-prods.de wrote: On Wednesday, January 1, 2014 19:18 CET, Riccardo Mottola r...@gnu.org wrote: Hi David, I totally agree, between Xmas, New Year and bugs I had to time for website coding. If you check what I started on gap.nongnu.org, it has only menus which I want to eliminate too and it works on iPhone (except for the menus). I had no time to follow and to reply all the threads sorry. I do not like Sebastian's design too much aesthetically, however he has valid points in the website restructuring, which needs to be done anyway also for the design I have in mind. I'll layout some ideas I have discussed with Greg as soon as I can. I hope that we can share ideas and efforts there. Maybe you could create a PoC webpage somewhere, to better show off what you have in mind and discussed with Greg? Also why your design then ended up as is, some background information would be nice ;) Then I think it will be easier to take the best ideas from both designs, and combine the work. Actually, the best would be to start the restructuring using the current, proven look and later apply a new look. For me this sounds than much more work than doing a radical change. Now you are going to touch every page, restructuring, then you go touch the pages again, applying the nits needed for the new CSS and style to work? To everyone else, thanks for the feedback so far. I'll collect it, and send a summary, I think latest on the weekend. cheers, Sebastian Riccardo David Wetzel wrote: Hi Guys, the doc idea is fun, but I think we should avoid any mouseover and other effects and make it as simple and clean as possible. It should also work on small touch screens. If you do not have an iphone, you can get Xcode for the mac and try it in the simulator. Otherwise try the browser in an android simulator :-) Cheers, David On Dec 30, 2013, at 20:09, Sebastian Reitenbach sebas...@l00-bugdead-prods.de wrote: https://www.l00-bugdead-prods.de/index7.html ___ Gnustep-dev mailing list Gnustep-dev@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnustep-dev -- Ivan Vučica i...@vucica.net ___ Gnustep-dev mailing list Gnustep-dev@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnustep-dev
Re: GNUstep.org website redesign proposal
I'm all for this idea. GC On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 3:28 PM, Ivan Vučica i...@vucica.net wrote: Whatever design we end up, I think now it's right time to propose we implement it using some web-editable CMS. From my experience with it, Wordpress would probably suit us well and would allow a trusted set of people to edit the website. (And being able to contribute a stream of news and articles is only a bonus.) I'm not sure a wiki would be able to masquerade as a website, but it would certainly complement it. On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 10:11 AM, Sebastian Reitenbach sebas...@l00-bugdead-prods.de wrote: On Wednesday, January 1, 2014 19:18 CET, Riccardo Mottola r...@gnu.org wrote: Hi David, I totally agree, between Xmas, New Year and bugs I had to time for website coding. If you check what I started on gap.nongnu.org, it has only menus which I want to eliminate too and it works on iPhone (except for the menus). I had no time to follow and to reply all the threads sorry. I do not like Sebastian's design too much aesthetically, however he has valid points in the website restructuring, which needs to be done anyway also for the design I have in mind. I'll layout some ideas I have discussed with Greg as soon as I can. I hope that we can share ideas and efforts there. Maybe you could create a PoC webpage somewhere, to better show off what you have in mind and discussed with Greg? Also why your design then ended up as is, some background information would be nice ;) Then I think it will be easier to take the best ideas from both designs, and combine the work. Actually, the best would be to start the restructuring using the current, proven look and later apply a new look. For me this sounds than much more work than doing a radical change. Now you are going to touch every page, restructuring, then you go touch the pages again, applying the nits needed for the new CSS and style to work? To everyone else, thanks for the feedback so far. I'll collect it, and send a summary, I think latest on the weekend. cheers, Sebastian Riccardo David Wetzel wrote: Hi Guys, the doc idea is fun, but I think we should avoid any mouseover and other effects and make it as simple and clean as possible. It should also work on small touch screens. If you do not have an iphone, you can get Xcode for the mac and try it in the simulator. Otherwise try the browser in an android simulator :-) Cheers, David On Dec 30, 2013, at 20:09, Sebastian Reitenbach sebas...@l00-bugdead-prods.de wrote: https://www.l00-bugdead-prods.de/index7.html ___ Gnustep-dev mailing list Gnustep-dev@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnustep-dev -- Ivan Vučica i...@vucica.net ___ Gnustep-dev mailing list Gnustep-dev@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnustep-dev -- Gregory Casamento Open Logic Corporation, Principal Consultant yahoo/skype: greg_casamento, aol: gjcasa (240)274-9630 (Cell) http://www.gnustep.org http://heronsperch.blogspot.com ___ Gnustep-dev mailing list Gnustep-dev@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnustep-dev
Re: GNUstep.org website redesign proposal
On 2 Jan 2014, at 20:27, Gregory Casamento greg.casame...@gmail.com wrote: I disagree with Riccardo here in the sense that the current look is not proven at all. What needs to happen is a radical redesign of the site and an entirely new way of presenting the information on it. I agree with this ... current design is not proven (and while radical redesign may not be necessary, it seems worth trying). I hate to sound like a business person, but our recent discussion on the list with Doc O'Leary did yield a few unpleasant revelations.One of which is that our message is entirely confusing and that the website is a big part of that. I'm less sure about this ... it's actually perfectly plausible that no change we can make will significantly improve the clarity of the message ... the mere fact that one person failed to see it is no proof (or even particularly strong evidence) that there is something badly wrong. If there's one thing I've learned about business/marketing, it's that people tend to screw up by taking complaints too seriously. When you change to address complaints it's all too easy to make things worse by losing the things a majority like in order to deal with the criticism of a noisy minority. ___ Gnustep-dev mailing list Gnustep-dev@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnustep-dev
Re: GNUstep.org website redesign proposal
Am 02.01.2014 22:05, schrieb Richard Frith-Macdonald: On 2 Jan 2014, at 20:27, Gregory Casamento greg.casame...@gmail.com wrote: I disagree with Riccardo here in the sense that the current look is not proven at all. What needs to happen is a radical redesign of the site and an entirely new way of presenting the information on it. I agree with this ... current design is not proven (and while radical redesign may not be necessary, it seems worth trying). I hate to sound like a business person, but our recent discussion on the list with Doc O'Leary did yield a few unpleasant revelations.One of which is that our message is entirely confusing and that the website is a big part of that. I think the Wine project has a somewhat similar audience and similar development targets as GNUstep. Their website is always very mature and clean: http://www.winehq.org/ You see: just one sentence about what the project is, then a couple of links which easily fit into the smallest screen. If somebody wants to learn about details, he'll happily click through a few links. If GNUstep can't explain what it is in a single sentence ... then that's a problem. On the PPA page I currently use this: GNUstep is a free implementation of Apples Cocoa (Foundation, AppKit, etc.) coming along with many additions, like WebObjects, and is written in (of course) Objective-C. It is known to work on Linux, *BSD, MS Windows and also (using Apples own libraries) on Mac OS X. Extending support to iOS' UIKit appears to be not impossible. For my taste not perfect, but reasonable. - - - If there's one thing I've learned about business/marketing, it's that people tend to screw up by taking complaints too seriously. When you change to address complaints it's all too easy to make things worse by losing the things a majority like in order to deal with the criticism of a noisy minority. This partly matches my experience. You screw up easily if you do exactly what these people suggest. Still they point out a problem and you should have addressed this problem; their way or another way. Markus -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. (FH) Markus Hitter http://www.reprap-diy.com/ http://www.jump-ing.de/ ___ Gnustep-dev mailing list Gnustep-dev@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnustep-dev
Re: GNUstep.org website redesign proposal
Am 01.01.2014 um 19:18 schrieb Riccardo Mottola: Hi David, I totally agree, between Xmas, New Year and bugs I had to time for website coding. If you check what I started on gap.nongnu.org, This one looks nice! A clean, modern layout without distraction. Just a little idea. Maybe the top navigation could behave like the top navigation here: http://www.taz.de/ ? Would you like this idea? cheers, Lars ___ Gnustep-dev mailing list Gnustep-dev@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnustep-dev
Re: GNUstep.org website redesign proposal
Am 31.12.2013 um 02:09 schrieb Sebastian Reitenbach: Hi all, I guess everybody knows, and also agrees that the GNUstep website is looking fairly dated, and that finding contents in it, is somtetimes only possible with help of google. the last few days I spent on thinking about the website, what it may need, digging html5 and css3, and came up with the following design, that you can find here: https://www.l00-bugdead-prods.de/index7.html While nicely and cleanly done, the proposal reminds me somewhat of http://www.gtk.org/. I am not sure if this is a good idea, in my opinion people could come to the conclusion that we're now some kind of sister project of GTK. Which is a strange Idea as everyone involved with GNUstep would confirm, but do outsiders know? Is this just me and my view at the layout or are others see it the same? cheers, Lars ___ Gnustep-dev mailing list Gnustep-dev@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnustep-dev
Re: GNUstep.org website redesign proposal
In your opinion, how many people would have to make noise so that it would no longer be considered as emanating from a minority? And through what outlet should they voice themselves -- would it be by subscribing to and posting to this mailing list (and then unsubscribing)? If you wanted to gauge the size of the population who is confused by the website's message in the most friction-free manner, you should probably run a poll on the website itself. Best, Patryk On Jan 2, 2014, at 13:05, Richard Frith-Macdonald richardfrithmacdon...@gmail.com wrote: When you change to address complaints it's all too easy to make things worse by losing the things a majority like in order to deal with the criticism of a noisy minority. ___ Gnustep-dev mailing list Gnustep-dev@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnustep-dev
Re: Serious GORM bug
So, I'll have to wait for 14 to come out then. I can live with that I guess. In any case I'll give it a go on a VM with 13.10 (wish me luck).As for GWorkspace I never use it's desktop. It interferes with everything else. And no, it doesn't work on both as I stated earlier. On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 4:38 PM, Riccardo Mottola r...@gnu.org wrote: Jamie Ramone wrote: OK, got it, I'll try that now (between windows, not sure how to do the between applications yet). Just a heads up: I did eventually, er, erase the folders by selecting them and dragging them to the Recycler's pseudo-appicon and it worked without a hitch. Since Recycler.app is another app I guess that would count. Depends if you are using the recycler in the desktop+dock, or if you are using the separate recycler app. They should, of course, work both. Riccardo ___ Gnustep-dev mailing list Gnustep-dev@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnustep-dev
Re: Wiki (was Re: GNUstep.org website redesign proposal)
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