[Goanet] Vedas
Hi Bambino, India's ancient historyis being re-written by "historians" sponsored by BJP, VHP, and their gang To the best of my knowledge, the Aryans invaded India and destroyed the INDUS civilisation -- now we are being informed that Aryans were the original Indians The need to re-write history is a sure sign of someone's basic insecurity Cheers Aloysius D'Souza - Original Message - From: Bambino Martins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 8:41 AM Subject: [The Goan Forum d-list] Vedas > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> > Buy Stock for $4 > and no minimums. > FREE Money 2002. > http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/E5z3lB/TM > -~-> > > Dear readers: > I am trying to fill gaps in my knowledge. I don't want to pluck > "information" out out polluted air so I request help from interested > readers. > > !)When did the Aryans first set foot in India. I thought that they came from > the Caucas Mountains through Punjab. But I have been told that the Ayans > came to India from the West(Europe?) > > 2) When were the Vedas written? I understand that there are at least four > books. Were all the books written about the same time or over a century or > more? > > 3) Were the Vedas written, originally, in Sanskrit? If not what was the > original language and when were they translated into Sanskrit? > > 4)Were the Vedas written by the Aryans and if so, were they written before > or after the Aryans came to India? How soon after or how long before the > Aryans came to India were the Vedas written? > > I realize that some of the questions may seem redundant. I am not testing > anyone. I thought may be one person might be able to answer one question and > another person another question. > > Thanks in anticipation of your participation in closing gaps in my > knowledge. > Bambino > > > The Goan Forum wishes Goa a safe and peaceful election. > > TGF will be pleased to publish interesting posts from this list on The Goan Forum at http://www.thegoanforum.com > > REMEMBER: to log in to > Goa-World.net http://www.goa-world.net for the most complete view of Goa. > > Fuloi with Fulam from EXPRESSIONS - The Flower Shop http://www.goa-world.net/expressions/ > > [This is NOT a commercial list...No Adverts...Only INFO...No Charges] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
RE: [Goanet] Vedas, Antibiotics, etc
Cip, your message is beautiful. And to answer your question. Yes I do pray. I believe in God. I love Jesus. I love Krishna. I love Allah. And I love Buddha. And I believe they are all the same. What I don't love and don't believe in is orgnaised religion which means the religious organisations/priests/etc. that pretend to propagate "religion" which is supposed to be the teachings of Jesus, Krishna, etc. These teachings do not differ in any way from each other. However, what organised religion actually propagates is communal divide, terrorism, violence, strife and superiority complexes. I certainly don't believe in that. Cheers, Sunila >From: "C Fernandes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Sunila Muzawar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "James Almeida" ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Santosh Helekar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >CC: "Goanet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: [Goanet] Vedas, Antibiotics, etc >Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 22:31:28 +0100 > >I wonder if Sunila, James and Santosh ever PRAY? > > >If You PRAY, You will have FAITH, >And if You have FAITH, You will LOVE, >And if You LOVE, You will SERVE, >And if You SERVE, You will have PEACE. > > -Mother Teresa > > _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
RE: [Goanet] Vedas, Antibiotics, etc
I wonder if Sunila, James and Santosh ever PRAY? If You PRAY, You will have FAITH, And if You have FAITH, You will LOVE, And if You LOVE, You will SERVE, And if You SERVE, You will have PEACE. -Mother Teresa The following are my views on FAITH, BELIEFS, SPIRITUALITY and SCIENTIFIC METHODS: Whatever we do in life, we SERVE people directly or indirectly. We can SERVE people with science and technology with or without knowing much about spirituality or humanity. In the technology and scientific world we accept only approved scientific methods to measure, quantify, compare the results of any process. We can also SERVE people directly much better with combination of our HEART, INTELLECT, MIND and SOUL with the help of modern SCIENCE and TECHNOLOGY. Vedas (written in Sanskrit about 1500 B.C.) gives us this knowledge (of HEART, INTELLECT, MIND, SOUL, etc) to KNOW and to SERVE fellow human beings, other creatures and the Universe. English language has a limit to understand Vedas (English version). Sanskrit is the spiritual language in which one can understand Vedas perfectly. Whoever wants to gain this knowledge from the Vedas can gain tremendous energy for the self-development and to SERVE the humanity. Although Science and Technology is the key factor for the world economy, however, it is a very small factor to SERVE humanity. Sorry, I may not have any scientific methods to prove this statement but it is my experience beyond any doubt. Cip Fernandes London __ Sunila Muzawar wrote on 21 May 2002 09:39 Subject: Re: [Goanet] Vedas, Antibiotics, etc >From: "santoshhelekar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: [Goanet] Vedas, Antibiotics, etc >Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 07:42:20 - >>Romain Rolland got a Nobel prize in literature. He was not a >scientist. As far as I know, he said nothing about the Vedas and the >speed of light. He would not have been qualified to say anything >about the scientific validity of the Vedas. Please don't try to >confuse issues here. > >By the way, he was a great supporter of scientific rationalism. I read his name a long time ago in connection with something he said on the Vedas. I will try and dig it up and if I do I will let you know. But you know everything you have said about him reinforces my memory that it was him only that I had read about in connection with the Vedas. After all science and literature and the Vedas can be a heady combination. ;-) > >Let me ask you have you ever read the Vedas ? Do you know Sanskrit ? > > > >No for both questions. Have you, and Do you? If you have and do, >Please enlighten us in English or Konkani. I am particularly >interested in the speed of light issue. Actually I haven't read the Vedas and I don't know Sanskrit. But would love to know more. If nothing else, it would give me an insight into Indian history. But one of the reasons I asked is to show you how illogical your approach is. Just because you haven't read it and don't know more about it does not mean it does not exist. :-) > >Intuition, gut feeling, sixth sense and whatever else you may call > >it does exist but unfortunately science lacks in being able to prove > >it. >Are you sure? Have you read the current scientific literature on >these matters? I know there is a lot of published research that deals >with this. I would love to know whether your assertion is based on >the conclusions of this research, before I accept it. I do read but am not a scientist or a psychologist. But recent findings on proving mental telepathy and healing through sending distant mental vibrations (includes prayer) is proving that thoughts or energy does travel from one person to another over thousands of miles. I had read that The California Pacific Medical Center is involved in this research and is getting very encouraging findings. But why go so far ? Haven't you seen that a patient responds better to treatment when he/she has the will to get better and when they don't their health deteriorates dramatically despite all the medicines and treatments ? Can medical science address that ? > >Similarly, there are some things which are beyond proof. They are > >simply there you cannot deny it. > > > >How do you know this? I deny it, in the absence of evidence that your >statement is true. Just because you don't know you deny it. That doesn't mean it does not exist. A hundred years ago if someone was told that you could be heard thousands of miles away they would have laughed. Yet, today the telephone is a reality. If sound waves can be captured and transmitted why do you deny that thoughts can also be electro-magnetic waves which can be transmitted, accepted and responded
Re: [Goanet] Vedas, Antibiotics, etc
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Sunila Muzawar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >But one of the reasons I asked is to show you how illogical your >approach is. Just because you haven't read it and don't know more >about it does not mean it does not exist. :-) > Sunila, you have covered a lot of ground in the above post. I cannot deal with all the issues that you have discussed. I am a simple- minded kind of guy. I can think of only one thing at a time. I think it is not very useful or logical to take seriously things that are not known to exist, only because they might just possibly exist. This is called the flying pink elephant argument. Sure, such a creature might exist. But Would you pay somebody who claims to have it a hefty cash advance to buy such a unique and special pet? My reference to Vedas was specific to the speed of light. And having read about this matter I can assure you that I am not convinced that the Vedas tell us anything about this speed, as has been claimed. Regarding your other statements, bacterial resistance to antibiotics is a well-known and well-studied phenomenon for the past 50 years. The evidence for telepathy is shaky or non-existent. Medical science knows quite a bit about recovery from illness due to personal faith. There is a branch of science, Neuroimmunology, that studies this issue. Meat is still good for your body. The only thing that you have justification for is your belief in God, which I assume is based on faith and quite admirably so. Cheers, Santosh =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
Re: [Goanet] Vedas, Antibiotics, etc
>From: "santoshhelekar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: [Goanet] Vedas, Antibiotics, etc >Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 07:42:20 - >>Romain Rolland got a Nobel prize in literature. He was not a >scientist. As far as I know, he said nothing about the Vedas and the >speed of light. He would not have been qualified to say anything >about the scientific validity of the Vedas. Please don't try to >confuse issues here. > >By the way, he was a great supporter of scientific rationalism. I read his name a long time ago in connection with something he said on the Vedas. I will try and dig it up and if I do I will let you know. But you know everything you have said about him reinforces my memory that it was him only that I had read about in connection with the Vedas. After all science and literature and the Vedas can be a heady combination. ;-) > >Let me ask you have you ever read the Vedas ? Do you know Sanskrit ? > > > >No for both questions. Have you, and Do you? If you have and do, >Please enlighten us in English or Konkani. I am particularly >interested in the speed of light issue. Actually I haven't read the Vedas and I don't know Sanskrit. But would love to know more. If nothing else, it would give me an insight into Indian history. But one of the reasons I asked is to show you how illogical your approach is. Just because you haven't read it and don't know more about it does not mean it does not exist. :-) > >Intuition, gut feeling, sixth sense and whatever else you may call > >it does exist but unfortunately science lacks in being able to prove > >it. >Are you sure? Have you read the current scientific literature on >these matters? I know there is a lot of published research that deals >with this. I would love to know whether your assertion is based on >the conclusions of this research, before I accept it. I do read but am not a scientist or a psychologist. But recent findings on proving mental telepathy and healing through sending distant mental vibrations (includes prayer) is proving that thoughts or energy does travel from one person to another over thousands of miles. I had read that The California Pacific Medical Center is involved in this research and is getting very encouraging findings. But why go so far ? Haven't you seen that a patient responds better to treatment when he/she has the will to get better and when they don't their health deteriorates dramatically despite all the medicines and treatments ? Can medical science address that ? > >Similarly, there are some things which are beyond proof. They are > >simply there you cannot deny it. > > > >How do you know this? I deny it, in the absence of evidence that your >statement is true. Just because you don't know you deny it. That doesn't mean it does not exist. A hundred years ago if someone was told that you could be heard thousands of miles away they would have laughed. Yet, today the telephone is a reality. If sound waves can be captured and transmitted why do you deny that thoughts can also be electro-magnetic waves which can be transmitted, accepted and responded to ? Just because science hasn't discovered it yet, it does not mean it does not exist. It is a superficial and narrow vision that says that if you haven't seen it or heard it or proven it in some physical way, it does not exist. That does not mean one should get loony and spaced out. But to deny it is equal folly. >Antibiotics cure illnesses whether you have faith in them or not. >This is a scientific fact. Scientists know a great deal about how and >why antibiotics work. Yes, and now they are finding that new bacteria are coming about which are immune to existing antibiotics. So they are caught up in the vicious cycle of trying to exterminate every new bacteria that comes about. Unfortunately, very little effort actually goes into finding out the source of this bacteria. I don't deny the advantages of antibiotics. But just because science found this magical remedy does not mean there aren't any more remedies out there. It also does not mean that there isn't a way to prevent the bacteria from occurring in the first place. >Is this a general statement about human psychology or about the >effectiveness of antibiotics being intertwined with faith? If it is >the latter, there is scientific evidence that contradicts your >statement. It is the latter. I don't care what science currently says, I cannot deny the fact that I have many side effects when I take a dose of antibiotics. It does actually address infections effectively, but it creates other problems in my body. I am hundred percent sure that I am not the only one to have suffered from the side effects of antibiotics. And science keeps
[Goanet] Vedas, Antibiotics, etc
Sunila Muzawar wrote on the Scientific Method thread: > >Actually the VHP only parrots what others say. Nobel prize winners >like Romain Rolland have said a lot about the Vedas and whatever. > Romain Rolland got a Nobel prize in literature. He was not a scientist. As far as I know, he said nothing about the Vedas and the speed of light. He would not have been qualified to say anything about the scientific validity of the Vedas. Please don't try to confuse issues here. By the way, he was a great supporter of scientific rationalism. > >Let me ask you have you ever read the Vedas ? Do you know Sanskrit ? > No for both questions. Have you, and Do you? If you have and do, Please enlighten us in English or Konkani. I am particularly interested in the speed of light issue. The English synopsis of the Vedas in Hiriyanna's book on Indian Philosophy that I have says nothing about that. > >Intuition, gut feeling, sixth sense and whatever else you may call >it does exist but unfortunately science lacks in being able to prove >it. > Are you sure? Have you read the current scientific literature on these matters? I know there is a lot of published research that deals with this. I would love to know whether your assertion is based on the conclusions of this research, before I accept it. > >Similarly, there are some things which are beyond proof. They are >simply there you cannot deny it. > How do you know this? I deny it, in the absence of evidence that your statement is true. > >One has faith in antibiotics for curing illness based on the logic, >since it did so in the past. > Antibiotics cure illnesses whether you have faith in them or not. This is a scientific fact. Scientists know a great deal about how and why antibiotics work. > >Also the same faith is broken by the logic again when one knows that >antibiotics are harmful in the long run for the body. > Is this a general statement about human psychology or about the effectiveness of antibiotics being intertwined with faith? If it is the latter, there is scientific evidence that contradicts your statement. > >Somethings just exist because they simply do. > It is great fun and enormously useful to find out why they exist and how. Science has been pretty successful at doing that. > >All this talk of logic and science is a failure because it is all >based on assumptions. When the assumptions crumble the scientific >theorams crash. > What assumptions? > >There is something beyond and that is God. > Again, How do you know that? Cheers, Santosh =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-W-E-B---S-I-T-E-=-=-= To Subscribe/Unsubscribe from GoaNet | http://www.goacom.com/goanet === For (un)subscribing or for help, Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dont want so many e=mails? Join GoaNet-Digest instead ! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Help support non-commercial projects in Goa by advertizing!! * * * * Your ad here !!
