Re: [Goanet]Land to the Owner's Act
Hi Tariq, Thanks for your tip. But I live in Canada, do you think its possible I stand a chance now. I am not so sure how the courts work but I remember before, if the lawyer had a party to go the case was postponed. Is the same trend prevailing in Goa now? Well, will give it a shot. Wilson __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Shiv Sena to organise 'kar seva' to save heritage church in Mumbai
Shiv Sena to organise 'kar seva' to save heritage church in Mumbai PTI | September 30, 2003 | 04:52 IST Rediff http://www.rediff.com/news/2003/sep/30mum.htm Shiv Sena MP Sanjay Nirupam on Monday said his party was contemplating launching a 'kar seva' to raise funds to save an over 400-year-old dilapidated church, located in an industrial premise, at Marol in northwest Mumbai. The Portuguese built the St John Baptist church in 1579. Regular prayer services were held till 1840 before it was abandoned following an outbreak of plague. However, local villagers continued to visit it till 1970 when the Maharashtra Industrial Development Corporation acquired the land surrounding the church and agreed to maintain it. The current agitation is the outcome of MIDC's failure to keep its promise. Nirupam told reporters in Mumbai that a group of East Indians, original habitants of the city, had approached the Sena to save the church, which lay in a pathetic condition owing to the MIDC's neglect. The Sena decided to take up the issue and fight for the rights of the Christian minority. The community had earlier made several appeals to the Democratic Front government, but without any success. After the Sena took up the issue, the government showed interest and talked about handing the church back to the archdiocese of Mumbai for upkeep, Nirupam said. However, if the government does not move quickly, we will launch a kar seva to save this ancient heritage of Mumbai. We do not want any token gesture from the Congress. What we expect is concrete action to save the church. He denied the campaign was a political stunt in view of the forthcoming assembly elections or an effort to woo the minorities after having hounded them so far. The Sena does not follow the appeasement policy of the Congress. It is merely trying to help a community get back its right to offer prayers. We may have a poor track record (in fighting for the rights of minorities), but don't you want it to change? Former billiards champion Michael Ferreira, who is also part of the campaign to save the church, confirmed it was the East Indian community that had approached the Sena after all requests for help from the state government failed. _ MSN Hotmail now on your Mobile phone. http://server1.msn.co.in/sp03/mobilesms/ Click here. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Prostitution: From Academia to Activism
If any one is not yet convinced that Legalising Prostitution is not the answer, here is more, From a speech by Catharine A. MacKinnon is Professor of Law at the University of Michigan Law School.: .(1)The gap between the promise of civil rights and the real lives of prostitutes is an abyss which swallows up prostituted women to speak of prostitution and civil rights in one breath moves the two into one world, at once exposing and narrowing the distance between them. (2)Women in prostitution are denied every imaginable civil right in every imaginable and unimaginable way, such that it makes sense to understand prostitution as consisting in the denial of women's humanity, no matter how humanity is defined. It is denied both through the social definition and condition of prostitutes and through the meaning of some civil rights. The legal right to be free from torture and cruel and inhuman or degrading treatment is recognized by most nations and is internationally guaranteed. (3)In prostitution, women are tortured through repeated rape and in all the more conventionally recognized ways. Women are prostituted precisely in order to be degraded and subjected to cruel and brutal treatment without human limits; it is the opportunity to do this that is exchanged when women are bought and sold for sex. The fact that most legal prohibitions on torture apply only to official torture, specifically torture by state actors, illustrates the degree to which the legal design of civil rights has excluded women's experience of being denied them. Security of the person is fundamental to society. The point of prostitution is to transgress women's personal security. Every time the woman walks up to the man's car, every time the man walks into the brothel, the personhood of women--not that secure in a male dominated society to begin with--is made more insecure. Women in prostitution attempt to set limits on what can be done to them. But nothing backs them up. Pimps supposedly do, but it shows how insecure prostitutes' lives are that pimps can look like security. Nothing limits pimps, and, ultimately, anything can be done to their property for a price. As Andrea Dworkin has said, whatever can be stolen can be sold. (4) In rape, the security of women's person is stolen; in prostitution, it is stolen and sold. Liberty is a primary civil right. Kathleen Barry has analyzed female sexual slavery as prostitution one cannot get out of. (5) A recent study of street prostitutes in Toronto found that about ninety percent wanted to leave but could not. (6) If they are there because they cannot leave, they are sexual slaves. Need it be said: to be a slave is to be deprived of liberty, not to exercise it. To lack the ability to set limits on one's condition or to leave it is to lack consent to it. At the same time, liberty for men is often construed in sexual terms and includes liberal access to women, including prostituted ones. So while, for men, liberty entails that women be prostituted, for women, prostitution entails loss of all that liberty means. (7)The right to privacy is often included among civil rights. In the United States, for example, one meaning privacy has effectively come to have is the right to dominate free of public scrutiny. The private is then defined as a place of freedom by effectively rendering consensual what women and children are forced to do out of the public eye. Prostitution is thus often referred to as occurring in private between consenting adults, as is marriage and family. The result is to extend the aura of privacy and protection from public intervention from sex to sexual abuse. In prostitution, women have no space they can call off-limits to prying eyes, prying hands, or prying other parts of the anatomy, not even inside their own skin. (8)Freedom from arbitrary arrest is also a civil right. Criminal prostitution laws make women into criminals for being victimized as women, so are arguably arbitrary in the first place. Then these laws are often enforced for bureaucratic, turf-protective, funding, political, or advancement reasons --that is, arbitrarily, against women. (9)Property ownership is recognized as a civil right in many countries. Women in prostitution not only begin poor, they are systematically kept poor by pimps who take the lion's share of what they earn. They are the property of the men who buy and sell and rent them--placing the civil right, once again, in the hands of their tormenters. (10)Particularly in the United States,and equally in many other countries, the right to freedom of speech is cherished. Prostitution as an institution silences women by brutalizing and terrorizing them so horribly that no words can form, by punishing them for telling the truth about their condition, by degrading whatever they do manage to say about virtually anything because of who they are seen as being. The pornography that is made of their violation--pimps' speech--is protected expression. One civil
[Goanet]Re: Goanet digest, Vol 1 #480 - 10 msgs
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Re: [Goanet]An essay on legalising Prostitution - from Non-Trivial.Com
On Wed, 1 Oct 2003, Floriano wrote: I used to like to read the New Testament in my younger days. And I may be wrong, but I think there is a passage therein, somewheres which says something to this effect. If you are passing by your neighbour's house, and the neighbour's wife should be beckoning to you. Do not fall for the trap, for it is sin. You might as well pay for the services of a prostitute. Just since the issue was raised: Jesus told a group of his countrymen in the temple that the hated tax-collector and the despised harlots would enter the kingdom of God before they did (Matt, 21:31). In the parable of the prodigal son (Luke 15), Jesus has the older brother complain that the wayward son had spent his time, money, and energy on harlots (15:30). For Paul, prostitutes are listed with immoral people (1 Cor. 6:14 f.) The story of Rahab the harlot was used by Christian writers as a model of a person who was saved by faith and by works (James 2: 25-26). Having noted this, this issue has nothing to do with religion, and is connected with what approach we take towards a social concern, one that concerns the human rights of a couple of thousand women. If one recalls right the issue started with Cyp's query on what kind of support would help to solve the problem at Baina. We seem to have moved far from it What one could perhaps ask is whether anyone discussing this issue has actually been to see the situation at Baina? Neither the Goan chauvinism (they're non-Goans, so by definition, not our problem) nor the legalise-and-get-done-with-it approach seems anywhere relevant to the ground level reality. Hats off to people like the nuns from Sancoale, for whom living their belief doesn't mean just a few pious statements, but living in the grime and squalour to work towards finding a solution. Anyone interested in getting a better understanding could also check with the ARZ team, which works with children in the area, and has its office right in the midst of this area. FN ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Land to the Owner's Act
On Wed, 1 Oct 2003, Tariq Siddiqui wrote: --- Floriano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The land to the tiller was the agrarian catastrophe for Goa. Nagesh is right. Land lords of both communities lost. And the Comunidades were the worst losers. Would you rather have a situation like in Pakistan, where in the absense of land reform, three families, namely the Bhuttos, Legharis and Jatois own 60% of the land (exceeding even the ownership of the Government of Pakistan)? What would the consequence be for the non-landowners? They would forever be at the mercy of the landowner, who could dictate price/rent/share term? -Tariq I'm not sure we're clear what we're talking about. There still is *no* land ceiling act in Goa as of date, even though chief ministers like Pratapsing Rane have been talking about implementing this since the eighties! Both the land-to-the-tiller and tenancy acts obviously have their loopholes and flaws. There were political agendas behind drafting these, including that of creating vote-banks, part of the democratic process anywhere it could be argued. There have been losers and gainers too, just with many other laws during the MGP, Congress, BJP and even Portuguese regimes. But without a proper study to build up bias over such moves with an intention of promoting certain agendas, is a bit rich! FN ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
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Re: [Goanet] Should prostitution be legalized in Goa?
My dear Goan Brothers, Marlon,who ignited me, with his observation which urged me to post a topical Prayer and Santosh who questions this very Prayer, that a certain Pastor made probably closer to him at Kansas in the US of A. Before either of you Recommend legalisation of Prostituition in Goa, or in India as a Panacea for our ills, I have got some facts for you ,just search the net and you will find loads of it. Prostitution is: a) sexual harassment b) rape c) battering d) verbal abuse e) domestic violence f) a racist practice g) a violation of human rights h) childhood sexual abuse i) a consequence of male domination of women j) a means of maintaining male domination of women k) all of the above The commercial sex industry includes street prostitution, massage brothels, escort services, outcall services, strip clubs, lapdancing, phone sex, adult and child pornography, video and internet pornography, and prostitution tourism. Most women who are in prostitution for longer than a few months drift among these various permutations of the commercial sex industry. All prostitution causes harm to women. Whether it is being sold by one's family to a brothel, or whether it is being sexually abused in one's family, running away from home, and then being pimped by one's boyfriend, or whether one is in college and needs to pay for next semester's tuition and one works at a strip club behind glass where men never actually touch you - all these forms of prostitution hurt the women in it. (Melissa Farley, paper presented at the 11th International Congress on Women's Health Issues, University of California College of Nursing, San Francisco. 1-28-2000) The everyday life of prostitution is distant from most of us. And here, our imagination is a poor assistant. Negotiate a price with a stranger. Agree. Pull down one pant leg. Come and take me. Finished. Next, please. It becomes too ugly to really take it in. The imagination screeches to a halt. (Cecilie Hoigard and Liv Finstad, Backstreets: Prostitution, Money, and Love, 1992, translated by Katherine Hanson, Nancy Sipe, and Barbara Wilson; first published as Bakgater in Norway, 1986, Pennsylvania State University Press, University Park, Pennsylvania). Men call up the image of the whore when they are abusing their partners. The accusations in between the kicks and slaps: You slutwhore Historically, the words mean subhuman, having no rights, invisible, and wicked. As recently as 1991, police in a southern California community closed all rape reports made by prostitutes and addicts, placing them in a file stamped NHI. The letters stand for the words No Human Involved. (Linda Fairstein, Sexual Violence: Our War Against Rape, 1993, New York, William Morrow.) [The prostitute] is a victim of every bad thing men do to women: physical and sexual abuse, economic oppression and abandonment. (Mick LaSalle, Hollywood is hooked on hookers, San Francisco Examiner, December 3, 1995). Women in prostitution are purchased for their appearance, including skin color and characteristics based on ethnic stereotyping. Throughout history, women have been enslaved and prostituted based on race and ethnicity, as well as gender (Kathleen Barry, 1995 ,The Prostitution of Sexuality, New York University Press). We usually don't see prostitution as domestic violence because it is just too painful: ...the carnage: the scale of it, the dailiness of it, the seeming inevitability of it; the torture, the rapes, the murders, the beatings, the despair, the hollowing out of the personality, the near extinguishment of hope commonly suffered by women in prostitution. (Margaret A. Baldwin Split at the Root: Prostitution and Feminist Discourses of Law Reform in Yale Journal of Law and Feminism, 1992, Vol 5: 47-120) Male dominance means that the society creates a pool of prostitutes by any means necessary so that men have what men need to stay on top, to feel big, literally, metaphorically, in every way;... (Andrea Dworkin, Prostitution and Male Supremacy, in Life and Death, Free Press, 1997). Prostitution isn't like anything else. Rather, everything else is like prostitution because it is the model for women's condition. (Evelina Giobbe, 1992, quoted by Margaret Baldwin in Split at the Root: Prostitution and Feminist Discourses of Law Reform, Yale Journal of Law and Feminism, 5: 47-120).
[Goanet]Legalising Prostitution is no Answer, instead let us try to understand it!
I just found this, I hope to GOD,this is correct! Praise The LORD! In order to understand prostitution, it is necessary to understand: 1)Lethal gender inequality 2)Incest and other childhood sexual assault 3)Poverty and homelessness 4)The ways in which racism and colonialism are inextricably connected with sexism in prostitution 5)Domestic violence, including rape 6)Post traumatic stress disorder, depression, mood and dissociative disorders as consequences of prostitution 7)Drug and alcohol addiction 8)The fact that prostitution is a global business which involves interstate and inter-country trafficking as a necessary part of its profitable operation 9)In nondominant states - the ways in which economic development programs erode traditional ways of living 10)The need for culturally-relevant treatment 11)The ways in which diverse cultures normalize and promote prostitution 12)Stripping, exotic dancing, nude dancing, table dancing, phone sex, trafficking, child and adult pornography, lap dancing, massage brothels, and peep shows as prostitution. Have a Great day! On The Internet! Auspicio F.M.Rodrigues Simply Goan,Simple Goan! ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
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Re: [Goanet]Land to the Owner's Act
Land to the tiller is fine and in fact is laudable. Provided the land continues to be tilled. In case of large holdings, land ceiling (?) is required, acceptable, again, provided cultivable lands remain cultivated. Under Comunidade's system in Goa, not a single piece of cultivable land in Goa was kept fallow. If one failed to cultivate the piece of tenanted land , or the yearly rent was not paid, the piece of land was allotted to another person. At the cut off date, the land of comunidades which remained with the tenants have become theirs to do with them what they like. 90 percent remains fallow today. And we say our agriculture is dead. Floriano - Original Message - From: Tariq Siddiqui [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 12:37 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet]Land to the Owner's Act --- Floriano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The land to the tiller was the agrarian catastrophe for Goa. Nagesh is right. Land lords of both communities lost. And the Comunidades were the worst losers. This Act has seen to it that agriculture in Goa is dead. Hats off to any political party which will make this a point in its election manifesto to rid this vile populist Act. Cheers Floriano Would you rather have a situation like in Pakistan, where in the absense of land reform, three families, namely the Bhuttos, Legharis and Jatois own 60% of the land (exceeding even the ownership of the Government of Pakistan)? What would the consequence be for the non-landowners? They would forever be at the mercy of the landowner, who could dictate price/rent/share term? -Tariq ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Goan Soccer in Toronto
Saturday - October 4, 2003 The Gaudencio Fernandes Memorial Inter-Village Soccer Tournament - Finals Of the 11 teams part. In the finals: Bogmolo Sports Club v/s Aldona Shooting Stars Centennial Stadium - Etobicoke Kick-off 3:00 p.m. Admission: $3.00 Posted by JJD'S
Re: [Goanet]Land to the Owner's Act
The land to the Tiller act as was pointed out by a goanetter is very different from the nebulous one that protects tenants like the one described below by Wilson. As stated by Miguel for all its benefits and all its successes in other states (and here Tariq has a point when he writes about the Zamindaris) the land to the Tiller Act did very little good to anyone expect the few who could usurp land from the Communidades. Ironically although a few deserving tillers did get to keep the lands that they had tilled and toiled over for generations its the many landlords who were 'members' of these communidades or who had a say in its working who were the ones who reaped the bounty! During the building boom many 'green' lands were turned into residential areas by builders and politicians (like corals they live symbiotically!) who in turn fed some detritus to these small time batkars and gaukars who were part of the communidades. Its only as I write this that I realize how similar this set up is to the marine food chain!! Seems like the only one who do any work are the Tillers who unfortunately are at the bottom of the food chain for I haven't heard of anyone getting rich from growing rice in Goa. Perhaps the Mundar act which like many laws has also been abused may have served to ameliorate the disproportionate ownership of land and the homeless got to own their houses and to improve them. I think that is a human right. I say this although my family has been battered and bruised by this law. Its up to the judicial system to make sure that this law which was created precisely to grant a home and respect to every person is not abused. As for Wilson I do sympathize with you and I do hope you get your home back. Oddly, I know of plenty of people in Goa and elsewhere who live in rented apartments especially in cities to which they cling tenaciously much to the despair of their landlords while at the same time cry until they are blue in the face because they are losing their house or land elsewhere. They neither see the humor nor the irony of their situation. And its not only Catholic landlords who are the victims and Hindu who are the land grabbers and Keralites who rent from these unscrupulous sorts - its an abuse of laws that has affected everyone and its up to our judges to understand the laws and to apply them and its up to the government to protect the Communidade lands from the symbionts - Original Message - From: WILSON SOARES [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 2:54 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet]Land to the Owner's Act When I was young and my dad running the show, he felt sorry for this Hindu family as they had no house of ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
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[Goanet]Home Work Assginment
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Re: [Goanet]Land to the Owner's Act
Well said Nagesh! And Thank You for your post. Tim de Mello [EMAIL PROTECTED] CANADA From: Nagesh Bhatcar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, here you go again Mr. Colaco! You are trying to present a wrong picture of Goa and Goans to those on Goanet, that do not know much about Goa!! Goa is not in existence only because of overseas remittances. It is people like you, who create a divide among communities by making some random, stupid statements. Hindus and Catholics live in Goa in good harmony. One see the religious divide only through overzealous contributors here, that try to portray a rather grim and melancholy picture! Nagesh Bhatcar [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]An essay on legalising Prostitution - from Non-Trivial.Com
I used to like to read the New Testament in my younger days. And I may be wrong, but I think there is a passage therein, somewheres which says something to this effect. If you are passing by your neighbour's house, and the neighbour's wife should be beckoning to you. Do not fall for the trap, for it is sin. You might as well pay for the services of a prostitute. No offence meant , nor this is meant to hurt any religious feelings. Those of you who are bible readers may correct me if I am wrong. Cheers Floriano. - Original Message - From: Cecil Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 7:43 PM Subject: [Goanet]An essay on legalising Prostitution - from Non-Trivial.Com I don't use prostitutes. Yet, I find it a fascinating topic. I have been wondering why I am so interested. I have finally come up with these reasons: - I have an incurable admiration for sexually liberated women. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Land to the Owner's Act
On Wed, 1 Oct 2003, Nagesh Bhatcar wrote: Well, here you go again Mr. Colaco! You are trying to present a wrong picture of Goa and Goans to those on Goanet, that do not know much about Goa!!... It is people like you, who create a divide among communities by making some random, stupid statements Nagesh Bhatcar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nagesh, I think this is precisely what Bernard Colaco has set out to achieve, going by his postings of quite some time now. The goal: get Goanet bogged down in meaningless controversy, inter-religious infighting, bitterness and acrimony, and personal insults and innuendo. Elsewhere on the Net, this attitude would simply be recognised for what it is -- a troll. Bernado's post revolve around three or four theses, argued either forthrightly or in a barely-disguised manner: * How wonderful the good old days under the Portuguese were (or, oh how horrible they have turned, post-1961) * Why Catholics deserve victim status in today's Goa * Why journalists in Goa are doing such a terrible job Fact is, Bernado doesn't have the courage to speak out in his real identity. It doesn't take much energy to create a yahoo.com identity; yet at the same time if you read all the Goa-related postings on the Net it doesn't take too much guessing who's hiding under this pseudonym. Regardless of the pro's and con's of local tenancy laws, the fact remains that like many aspects of today's Goa, these too remain inadequately understood and seldom researched. Angry and emotion-stoking emails by Bernado or whoever are not going to help anyone's understanding of the issue. Attempts to communalise every issue in Goa, and the stoking of minority fears, should be recognised and rejected for what they are. Misunderstandings among Catholics and Hindus in Goa cropped up long, long beyond 1961, and it's time that measures were taken for these to be healed. (It's a myth to believe that the lack of obvious religious strife under colonial rule meant that different groups had good relations and perfect understandings among themselves.) Contrary to what Bernado says, there were a lot of tenants who were Catholic too. Needless to say, given the gulf that exists in Goa, any law would hit different segments (and parts of the state) of the population in differing ways. Since migrants abroad, at that time, happened to be mostly Catholic, some of them felt the impact more acutely than other sections of the population. But, besides provocative statements like Bernado's, have attempts been undertaken for detailed studies of the issues involved? Don't fall for the troll-attempts you seen on Goanet. This forum could be used for more effective and productive communications. FN ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Boiling water supplied by Goa PWD a year long exercise ?
-- Documented by Goa Desc Resource Centre Ph:2252660 Website: www.goadesc.org Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Press Clippings on the web: http://www.goadesc.org/mem/ -- --- Boiling Water --- I do not remember having heard at any time during my many years of residence in Goa and other parts of India that any State government in India has advised its people to boil PWD supplied drinking water for 10 minutes as as being advised by the present government of Goa. Could a responsible person or concerned authority working for the betterment of minimum living conditions in the State of Goa or any other person kindly clarify to the people through your columns as to how long the process of boiling PWD supplied drinking water should take place or whether it is advisable to boil PWD supplied drinking water only during monsoon? Is it not that natural mineral contents of the water are destroyed upon boiling? If the water is to be boiled throughout the year. then the Parrikar government should think of supplying one LPG cylinder each year to each household in the state Goa free of cost on producing ration card or election card. Medha Maralkar, Calapur in a letter to the Editor - HERALD 1/10/03 page 6 --- GOA CIVIC AND CONSUMER ACTION NETWORK --- an initiative of GOA DESC RESOURCE CENTRE to promote civic and consumer rights in Goa --- GOACAN Post Box 78 Mapusa, Goa 403 507 Tel: 2252660 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.goacan.org --- ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Goa Govt yet to finalise alignment on Highway despite assurances
-- Documented by Goa Desc Resource Centre Ph:2252660 Website: www.goadesc.org Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Press Clippings on the web: http://www.goadesc.org/mem/ -- - Govt yet to finalise alignment on NH-17 despite assurances - The Government has taken a decision to carry out the four laning of the Mapusa-Margao stretch of the National Highway (NH) 17 on a priority basis. Although all new constructions along the highway were frozen at the beginning of the year, till date, no alignment of the proposed highway has been finalised, despite assurances from the Minister at the last assembly session. In fact, the 'expression of interest' notice of the Central Government inviting consultants to submit project reports for this stretch has been issued only last month. The notice has invited proposals from interested Consultants for the preparation of a Detailed project report for the four laning of a continuous stretch of 51.5 kms of the Panvel - Mangalore stretch within the state of Goa. The proposal will have to include three aspects - Pre Qualification, the technical proposal and the financial proposal. The last date for the submission of the proposals is September 30, 2003.The government has already awarded the tender for a project preparation report for the Canacona - Galgibagh stretch, though this stretch will not be taken up first. This party will have to study different alignments and finalise the project as per national highway standards and submit its report to the Public Works Department by October 31. The PWD will then forward this report to the Centre which will take the final decision. The PWD officials are hopeful that this five year project will commence next year. - HERALD 1/10/03 page 4 === GOA DESC RESOURCE CENTRE Documentation + Education + Solidarity 11 Liberty Apts., Feira Alta, Mapusa, Goa 403 507 Tel: 2252660 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.goadesc.org -- Working On Issues Of Development Democracy === ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Goa Electricity Department must provide answers for electrocution incident
-- Documented by Goa Desc Resource Centre Ph:2252660 Website: www.goadesc.org Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Press Clippings on the web: http://www.goadesc.org/mem/ -- --- Electrocution incident opens pandora's box --- Last week's electrocution incident involving two NMR workers, has thrown up more than one question, even as one of the young worker, Dilip Gaonkar was rushed to KLE hospital, Belgaum in a last-ditched effort to save his right hand from being amputed. Can a NMR worker be permitted to work on an electric line when a regular linesmen is around? In the normal course, the answer is No, says Chief Engineer T H Rao, while speaking to Herald. He, however, declined to comment further saying a detailed report is awaited from the superintending engineer. This question is haunting power officials here since the Benaulim sub-station did have regular linemen and its a mystery why the two NMR workers were ordered to do the job. On the fateful last Thursday afternoon, Dilip Gaonkar, in his 20's along with Sandeep Kurdikar were directed to climb on a 33 KV line at Fatrade after a shut down. Five to ten minutes later, the duo came crashing down from the dead line, with their hands burnt on account of electrocution. Another query posed by the electricity department staff is on the very safety of linesmen, whether NMR or regular. The incident has proved that one cannot rule out 'external sources' of supply as put it by executive engineer, Peter Fernandes, given that large number of power generating sets are in use in both residential and commercial units.The Fatrade incident should be an eye opener for the department higher-ups. Certainly, the linesmen deserve better protective gears to protect their life and limbs, a staffer said. Department staff has also expressed concerns over the social security of for NMR workers. No doubt, the duo were offered ex-gratia payment of Rs 25,000 and Rs 10,000 each, but is there any rehabilitation schemes for partial or permanent disablement for NMR workers? Personally, I feel the duo should be rehabilitated, the Chief engineer said. Inquiries by Herald revealed that despite the shut down, the 33 KV line did receive power supply for about a minute, which ultimately proved costly for the two NMR workers. While the department described this mysterious power supply as reverse current, the police says it will investigated into all angles, including any lapses during the shut down. Around nine hotels dotting Varca has generating sets and the Power officials are right now zeroing in on them in a bid to unravel the mystery. A middle-rung electricity official told Herald that data obtained from the electronic meters installed in these hotels, reveal that the dead line did have power supply for a minute. How and from which hotel this supply came is being currently probed, said another official. The shut down was taken to allow the department to install an electronic meter in one of the starred hotel. The incident occurred soon after the two NMR workers removed the jumpers. Meanwhile, the power department today has replied to the Colva police that its concerned Junior engineer and the wireless operator would be made available for inquiry as and when required. - HERALD 1/10/03 page 4 === GOA DESC RESOURCE CENTRE Documentation + Education + Solidarity 11 Liberty Apts., Feira Alta, Mapusa, Goa 403 507 Tel: 2252660 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.goadesc.org -- Working On Issues Of Development Democracy === ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Skybus... and Aerobus: promises aplenty, can they deliver?
SKYBUS... AND AEROBUS: PROMISES APLENTY, CAN THEY DELIVER? Cyril D'Cunha Panaji:- For a third world country like India, the verticle jump from a road-rolling tram car, to an overhead sliding cable car, is something of a revolution in public transport, and Goa is being eyed as a part of it. But no one is in a hurry and the approach to the idea wherever the technology has been mooted, is one of cautious optimism. But while then Bombay, had had a ground taste of the tram car for several decades, till it was finally phased out, but not without a lot of nostalgia, and in Kolkata, where they still keep rolling, in Goa, this popular and cheap mode of transport has been unknown. For the proposers of the Sky Bus and the Aerobus projects, both railroads in the sky, expectations are high, but so far, they are playing their cards carefully. Both claim that they are innovative urban transport solutions, safer and better than underground or elevated rail metro, providing air-conditioned comfort, for as less as 50 paise per km, or Rs. 6 for the journey from Panaji to Mapusa. The other pluses are pollution and noise-free transportation, and a huge saving in fuel imports. While B. Rajaram, the Managing Director of Konkan Railway Corporation (KRC), the proposer of the Sky Bus, had declared earlier, that the first Sky Bus would run by August 2004, an official of the Mumbai Metropolitan and Regional Development Authority, had, some time back, raised doubts about the technological aspects. Dinesh Menon, President, Aerobus India, had stated that Goa Government 'in principle' gave clearance to the Aerobus Project, which he said would be entirely internationally funded and the government would not have to spend a rupee. Moreover, for the commuter, it would cost 50 paise per km, which meant that for a distance of 12 kms from Panaji to Mapusa, it would be Rs. 6, or as much by the Kadamba Transport Corporation's bus charge for the same distance. One, though, is not very clear if the Aerobus charge will be inclusive of any tax. Initially, it will be experimented on a shorter distance, and later extended to cover the whole state, stated Menon. Great on the face of it, especially since this 'bus in the sky' will be air-conditioned and will greatly decongest traffic. But, like in the case of the Konkan Railway, which faced a lot of flak before being put into operation, this new mode of transport is also bound to have its critics. One question that will surely be asked is, how many public transport vehicles will be made redundant as a result of the sky bus facility, and how the government intends to compensate those that were depending on this business for their livelihood. Moreover, once this project gets going, will the fare structure change? Besides, for the aged, getting up the elevated stations, unless the carriage is lowered to ground level, will be difficult. These are just some of the problems immediately affecting the commuters, apart from the economics that will be involved in extending the service on a network of routes. What is surprising, however, is why the government has not put its mind on riverine transport, blessed as the state is with so many waterways, remarked a prominent city architect. Goan commuters are used to such a mode of transport, which is not only cheap but also significantly pollution-free, he averred. Unless, ofcourse, the untried cablecar over river crossings is a better option. _ The coolest deals. The hottest offers. http://www.msn.co.in/shopping All now online for you! ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]An essay on legalising Prostitution - from Non-Trivial.Com
I don't use prostitutes. Yet, I find it a fascinating topic. I have been wondering why I am so interested. I have finally come up with these reasons: - I have an incurable admiration for sexually liberated women. - Prostitutes typically fit that description. If they were not comfortable with sex, it would be highly unlikely that they would try to turn it into a profession. - The concept makes sense. I look around, and I see many people craving good sex. - In these times of rampant hypocrisy, there is something refreshing, genuine, almost admirable about a prostitute. - A prostitute is the antithesis of a hypocrite. A prostitute make no claims of being morally right. But what you see is what you get. Sometimes, the customers are the hypocrites. And quite often, people in power who are prosecuting prostitutes, are hypocrites. - Prostitution, at least at the upper end of the scale, is about glamour. In some forms, it is only a step away from modeling. I believe it is Gucci, who ran ads in Elle, showing prostitutes walking the streets. Glamour is fascinating. - Prostitution is as old as the world. Yet, these days, it is suddenly an idea whose time has come again. A Few Thoughts In its most basic form, prostitution is nothing but a contract between consenting people. A contract to provide sex in exchange for payment. Since sex is not inherently immoral, and neither is the exchange of money, prostitution is not inherently immoral. It has been said that prostitution is as old as the world. It has also been said that prostitution occurs between animals; it has been observed amongst chimpanzees and penguins. Some marriages involve a situation where one party provides most of the money, and the other party is expected to consent to sex. In some cases, very little sex is exchanged for access to a lot of money. Divorce is not illegal. But in many cases, divorce is immoral. In some marriages, the use of prostitutes by one of the spouses, is tolerated by the other spouse. The prostitute provides a function one of the spouses is not willing to provide. The prostitute is not much different from the maid. This used to be quite common in the upper classes of more traditional societies, like traditional Europe, England, South-America and even the American South. In all cases, respectable women were not encouraged to be too expert or knowledgeable about sex. It was widely considered more convenient if husbands who could afford it, went looking for it somewhere else. The Need Prostitution does fulfill an identifiable societal function. In some cases, it can be a substitute for psychological or marriage counseling. It might even prevent divorce. Although usually an imperfect solution, it can be a cost- effective one. Shrinks are expensive. So are lawyers and settlements. Prostitution provides a safety valve against frustration, especially for people who are not attractive or have few social skills. Also in couples that have very different sex drives and might otherwise be headed for affairs or divorce. Prostitution tends to be prevalent in societies where sex is repressed. It was quite popular in Victorian England. Closer to home, in a society where sexual advances can carry very negative legal consequences, in a society where an exposed marital infidelity can destroy a career, prostitution should be expected to become an alternative of choice. The fact that prostitution is illegal, may sometimes encourage it. It guarantees a measure of anonymity and silence, which may not otherwise be feasible. Oversexed Males and Undersexed Females In most cases, prostitutes tend to be women, while clients tend to be men. This may be partially due to the fact that men may have easier access to money. But it probably also means that in this society, there is a deficit of sexually available females with respect to sexually needy males. Changing Perceptions It used to be that prostitution was for losers. For those men who could not find a woman in any other way. Using a prostitute was something nobody would normally admit to. That perception is changing. I was at a party the other day, with some very promising young lawyers (as well as a number of attractive women). One lawyer was talking to the other: Hey, let's go to Vancouver next weekend, and see some girls... Why Illegal? The justification for making prostitution illegal, usually has to do with the protection of women, and the control of sexually transmitted diseases. That could make sense if as a result of the law, prostitution completely ceased to exist. In practice however, the fact that prostitution is illegal, normally results in the exploitation or abuse of prostitutes, and does contribute to the spread of sexually transmitted diseases. Illegal prostitutes may be the target of violence or rape, and will be hesitant to contact the police. Or else, they may simply disappear, and nobody may ever know.
Re: [Goanet]Land to the Owner's Act
Well, here you go again Mr. Colaco! You are trying to present a wrong picture of Goa and Goans to those on Goanet, that do not know much about Goa!! When the MGP was in power, we did have a strong and vibrant Opposition in the form of the United Goans under the late Dr. Jack De Sequeira. The UG fought for the opinion poll that wanted to keep Goa as an independent state/UT and succeeded. You should remember that UG consisted of many Hindus, like Mr. Babu Naik and Mr. Sarmalkar. In similar fashion MGP had Catholics. The enactment of the Land to the tiller was not directed towards Catholics! If you don't know, there are more Hindu Bhatcars in Goa than Catholics. The assertion of this legislation helping or hurting a particular community is out of question. Goa is not in existence only because of overseas remittances. It is people like you, who create a divide among communities by making some random, stupid statements. Hindus and Catholics live in Goa in good harmony. One see the religious divide only through overzealous contributors here, that try to portray a rather grim and melancholy picture! Nagesh Bhatcar [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Bernado Colaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Herman, The Land to the Tiller was enacted by the divisive, communal and sectarian government in power called the Maharastrawadi Gomantak Party. They were in power for about 17 years and made every attempt to destroy the Goan catholics. The Act legislated by them is only one example. If today Goans Catholics and Hindus are divided is because of this government. But if not for the Goan catholic contribution today via remmitance from the Gulf, Goa would be an other fishing village like Deogad. Colaco _ High-speed Internet access as low as $29.95/month (depending on the local service providers in your area). Click here. https://broadband.msn.com ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Aye Aye Captain!
Dear Sir, Since I have been consistently submitting Goa related articles anyway to GoaNet I guess I'm already a Volunteer. So can I put 'GoaNet Volunteer' below my name from now - officially? Do I get to sit in judgement on postings? Can I declare topics closed? Can I tell off Edgar Martins and suspend him off and on? Do send me my Administrative Name and Password or whatever. I'm liking this volunteer bit already. Your Sincere and Dedicated Volunteer Cecil Pinto P.S. I always have loads of ideas to enliven anything! == On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 10:29:28 +0530 (IST) Frederick Noronha wrote: [Goanet needs someone who can volunteer to search the Net regularly for Goa-related articles, so as to enliven this list and make for more informed discussion about matters Goan. Get in touch with the admin team if you can help. Also, if you have an idea of how to build Goanet into a more interesting place, and are willing to volunteer to implement it, please do contact us. FN] -- ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Light Reading
Subject: Presidential Air Force One arrives at Heathrow and President Bush strides to a warm and dignified handshake from the Queen.They ride in a 1934 Bentley to the edge of central London where they board a magnificent 17th century carriage hitched to 6 magnificent white horses. They ride towards Buckingham Palace waving to the thousands of cheering Britons,all is going well. Suddenly the right rear horse lets fly with the most horrendous earth shattering fart ever heard in the British Empire and the smell was excruciating, both of them had to use handkerchiefs over their noses.The fart shakes the coach but the two dignitaries of state do their best to ignore the incident. The Queen turns to President Bush, Mr President please accept my regrets... I am sure you understand there are some things that even a Queen cannot control. George Bush, always trying to be presidential, replies. Your Majesty do not give the matter another thought... If you had not mentioned it, I would have thought it was one of the horses. _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Teaching English
To whom it may concern at goanet. Hi, I am an English teacher (South African). I will be travelling to India in Feb/Mar 2004 and I am very keen to teach English (particuarly in Goa). I have experience in teaching at the following levels - - Business - Advanced - Intermediate - Beginner. My length of stay is flexible. I would be very pleased if my services could be of use to you. I look forward to your reply. Thank you. Ted Finnemore email - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Land to the Owner's Act
--- Herman D'Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I still cannot understand how can a government issue this land to the tiller act. does that mean tomorrow they can also issue some other act to throw us out from our houses? was this act issued by the congress? due their mismanagement of certain rules and laws according to their whims and wishes congress has lost power. can anyone tell me how can we revert this land to the tiller law so we can get the land which rightfully belongs to us? This Act is meant to redistribute land and abolish the Zamindari system that had plagued India for a quite a while. Specifically, if a landlord has not visited his property in 7 years, then the tiller could petition the district magistrate for this property. This was only one of the many laws that were enacted to abolish the Zamindari system. Another was limiting land ownership to 100 acres. -Tariq __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Rape of Minor Girls.
Dear Netters, Rapes of minor girls in Goa are being reported in the newspapers almost every other day since August,2003. It started off with the rape of a 8 year old student during school hours at Malkarnem[Mal= bad; korneo=actions ?]by the watchman of the same school on 7 August,2003. A 2 year old was raped near the Income Tax office in the new Patto Plaza at Panaji hardly a week later. Then it was the rape of a 17 year old from Curtorim at a house in Raia followed by another rape of a 15 year old girl at Seraulim. Except in the Raia case, the men[if rapists can be called 'men'] were much older than the victims. The Raia rape appears to be a 'date rape' with passion...and circumstancegetting the better of the boy involved. It is not easy to accept that a girl will bunk class, go with a boy for a ride on a motorcycle through busy roads to a secluded house, enter it with him..to get raped! Had she been above 18 years of age, she would have a hell of a time proving her case. Fortunately for her, age is on her side.She is below the 'age of consent' without parental approval as per the law in India. The boy stands accused of mandatory rape and is deemed guilty till he can prove his innocence---or that the girl was above 18 years of age and had 'consented to sex' . Had she been above 18 years,he would be innocent till proved guilty and the fact that her clothes were not torn during the episode would have been evidence enough to prove her consent. The so-called 'rape' of a 16-year old girl from my neighbourhood in Mapusa is a non-starter like the Art College case. Medical examination has found that there was no 'penetration'..an essential feature of rape as per the Indian law. Short of penetration,the action becomes Molestation or outraging the modesty of a woman. The boy is innocent till proved guilty. The age of the girl is no help. As in the Art College case,the girl would have been better off if the case was not reported. The boy could have been warned[even by the cops,if needed] without registering the case. Legal advice should have been sought in this case first. It is good that such cases are being reported and action is being taken. It would be still better if such cases could be prevented through proper education. A healthy social interaction, co-ed schools and colleges, non-prudish 'value education' at all levels, a check list of 'Dos and Don'ts' [specially for girls in our male-dominated society, where virility is a male virtue and attractiveness is a female sin] and counsellors in every institution for advice. There is no substitute for access to the parents to share the joys,troubles and doubts of the child of either gender. Parents have a duty to update their knowledge of current mores and to guide the adolescent for whom each age brings new experience for which he or she has no benchmarks or reference to guide on what is right and wrong. The child is at sea. The parent ,if it cannot be a distinct landmark to guide the child, should at least be like the pole star to show the general direction in the dark night. Teachers change annually and cannot perform this role as many parents now expect them to do. Viva Goa. Miguel --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.516 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 9/1/2003 ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]World Goa Day - Portugal:
0 Goenkars I have invited Constantino Hermanns Xavier , the Coordinator World Goa Day_ Portugal to Lead and coordinate the Young Goans International ly - for next year's * WORLD GOA DAY_2004. * He has gladly accepted my request . Constantino has shown great leadership qualities since I asked him to be the coordinator of WGD_PORTUGAL at the age of 20 ! He was responsible in bringing ALL the Goan Organisations in Portugal under the banner of WORLD GOA DAY , I believe Portugal was the Only Country in the world to have an ALLIANCE of GOAN Organisations ! Constantino has shown a keen interest in our theme of * GIVING BACK to GOA and the GOAN COMMUNITY * , he has also shown an interest in the welfare of Goans at large. We have the support of many Goan organisations in the formation of this WORLD GOAN YOUTH Organisation , your positive comments are always welcome , please do share them with us. TOGETHER we can make a better ... * YOUNG GOANSWORLD * rene barreto , Overall coordinator WORLD GOA DAY www.goaday.com 0 I am pleased to share the personal thoughts of Constantino Hermanns Xavier The Coordinator World Goa Day _Portugal and now the Leader of the YOUNG GOANS International ly 000 World Goa Day Portugal - Dia de Goa, Damao e Diu 2003 18th, 19th and 20th of September The goan community in Portugal celebrated for the third consecutive year World Goa Day. The attached report will give you a general overview on the three-day event, which is organized annually by a committee with representants from all 5 Goa, Daman and Diu community associations established in Portugal. But I would like to underline some aspects in particular. LETHARGY OF THE GOAN DIASPORA I have sometimes been denouncing on the Goan Internet the lethargy of the Goan diaspora around the world and the unproductive and sterile activities we Goans tend to hold in our respective communities. I think by now we're all aware of this, especially because when we travel to Goa we are hold co-responsible for what has happened to Goa (not only political corruption, but the state of health system, education, environment, heritage etc.). The best way to find out that we are sometimes no longer seen as Goans is to visit Goa, critize something and then... confront ourselves with the bitter critics (and resentment) coming from Goans living in Goa who are confronted on a daily basis with all these problems we just comfortably discuss sitting in front of a computer. I would like to call this gap between the goan diaspora and Goa responsibility. We have sometimes chosen to forget this responsibility towards our villages, our friends, our causes (not necessarily political) and brothers in Goa. Everyone is free to do so, but as soon as we deny this responsibility we should also start forgetting Goa. TO EMBRACE RESPONSIBILITY So, for those who truly want to contribute for a better Goa, there is only one choice: to embrace this responsability and put it into practice. Of course words are important, written or spoken ones, but actions are far more valious. Which actions we may ask ourselves (and I do ask this myself regularly)? Different actions. Everyone has his stronger and weaker points. His preferences and aversion or incapacity in other things. So, we may and should act differently. A Goan doctor in Moscow will therefore help differently to the development of Goa than a Goan Engineering professor in Paris. One will put his knowledge into action by helping to develop the Goan health system, the other one will put his technical know-how to the service of a Goan NGO building wells in the isolated interior of Goa. And so on. These are just some very specific examples. Basic condition is we should all get nearer to Goa again, using the media, being informed about what's happening there. This is a unique opportunity for our diaspora. We do not have to travel anymore to Goa to be Goans and to contribute to Goa. We may now establish associations, NGO's and lobbies in our local countries; we may now build economical, cultural and social bridges between Goa and our new homes. We may now truly serve Goa, even if not down there. And as more bridges we will build, as more Goans we will feel and be. Closing the large gap which separates us from Goa will bring new opportunities, and, above all, will give a chance to the future generations of the goan diaspora of keeping up and developing their goan identity. HERE IN PORTUGAL... Here in Portugal we have been laying the foundations for this. For the third consecutive year World Goa Day was celebrated here and this time we had a discussion (and specific projects) on how to give back to Goa. A special word also to the goan and damanese youth, which has organized these events and proved they are capable of
[Goanet]WHAT'S COOKING... caldine (aka sweet yellow curry)
- Original Message - From: Daisy Lino Rodrigues [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Frederick Noronha [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 7:56 AM Subject: [Goanet]WHAT'S COOKING... caldine (aka sweet yellow curry) Hello my fellow Goans, I hope you all had a very nice week and an enjoyable weekend. Did any of you get to try my chicken curry? Let me know how it turned out - I hope you tried both the versions. RESPONSE: I don't think you sent us the chicken curry recipe. I checked the archives and on it we have coconut and ginger rice, something veg and chicken shashlik. Maybe you are just testing us? Tried out the chicken shashlik and both my grown up sons remarked that it was yummy! We shall be trying out your version of caldine tomorrow, my wife's sister in law who is English and a vegetarian loved poached eggs in caldine curry. Thank you for your recipes. cheers, Gabe Menezes. P.S. where is the Sorpotel? ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Re: Should prostitution be legalized in Goa?
Marlon,my Goan Brother, True,I agree with your para1,but wait a second,do you sometimes stop to wonder why we cannot always deliver,what we want to? Could it be that the remote control is in somebody's hand? Are we not just nothing before the MIGHTY POWER? I am not approaching the current issue from a moralistic angle,I am but a habitual sinner,human that I am. However ,when I see a profanity being justified,I find really,really repulsive and as a GOAN living in Goa ,my self respect (not my pride anymore) can not accept it. The issue of whether Yes or No to Prostituition ,is essentially a question of whether, we do respect , a human being, another man or women. Sorry ,to dissapoint you , but no man or women get's into Prostitution(Sells his or her body willingly,it is always circumstantial and it is really sad. There is no question that people in distress anywhere around the world need to be rehabililitated and lifted up from these pitiable circumstances. Ask those who are working in red light districts any where in the world. There is no question of me being judgemental about any profession my friend. Prostitution is honestly not a profession, it is a situation where some of our brothers and sisters are unfortunately trapped and find it difficult to get out from. The children, if at all born in this circumstances, will grow up only to hate this world and the blood of these foetusus aborted will only cry out for the blood of those responsible. Marlon my brother and those of you who share his view, will you be able to say you won't fill the guilt. Yes , my friend Man or Women prostitution is evil and the man or women who willingly practice this are unfortunately immoral. I do not want to be judgemental or appear to be a fundamentalist as some may think. I am nothing ,but even then, I would in all humility reject any question of tolerating ,in an attempt to accomodate this arguement ,which will only achieve a materiastic object of suppressing the impoverished millions by legalising Prostitution,which will only be exactly what the Slum Lords, the Mafia,the Dons and all those neo commerical and mercenary interests of so many of those gutter rats chewing into the very fabric of our society. I request and pray that you too will soon begin to share true LOVE, UNDERSTANDING AND COMPASSION for every man and women ,who would be led or even choose to opt for selling their own or other's bodies to satisfy the passions of those who have no concern for their bodies or their spirit,but who would not be content after defile and deforming their human existence. If my posting is embarrasing or hurting anybody,my sincere apology,it is not my intention to attach any body personally as I am no man of achievements like most of you. The Lord has been kind to me and shown me I wrong I was in the past to share your opinions and similar visions for Goa. Today ,I realise that, we should consider building a NEW GOA,first in our minds and hearts before we see the renewed Goa. We all need to forgive those who oten go wrong,me included. We need to pray especially for those steering Goa and INDIA, so that ,by the Grace of GOD this nation we be a NEW NATION tommorrow, where every TEAR from every eye will be wiped off and the pangs of hunger will be removed from the bellies of our impoverished people. Praise The Lord! Jai Hind! On the Internet! Auspicio F.M.Rodrigues SIMPLY GOAN,simple Goan! - Original Message - From: Marlon Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet]Re: Should prostitution be legalized in Goa? Auspicio, We all want and wish the best for others. However wanting something and actually delivering benefits are two different things. I may be wrong, but to me it looks like you are approaching this problem from a moralistic angle. Basically what you seem to be saying is that prostitution is evil and that the women who willingly practice this are immoral, not unlike say professional killers. Based on this form of thinking, your solution therefore is to impart proper religious teachings to them so that they can change their ways. My prognosis of the situation is different from yours. I do not make a value judgement on prostitution and do not place prostitutes at the same level as professional murderers. I view this as an economic issue in which those women who have willingly chosen this profession, have done so to maximize their incomes so that they can feed their families or whatever. Given my assumption that this is an economic issue, I have therefore suggested that this profession should be treated as a regular industry in which its participants abide by some well defined laws to protect the service providers and the consumers. My counter to your moralistic argument is this: Suppose you were to convince a prostitute to give up her evil ways, you would still need to provide her with an alternate
Re: [Goanet] Should we question Prayer?
Auspicio F.M.Rodrigues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It was a Prayer,you see and don't we all have a right to pray! Just as we all have a right to ask questions about political and religious propaganda that masquerade as prayers in public forums. For Faith and Belief are very much personal questions,shared in this forum only as media, is often used to propagate respect for what actually enslaves humanity. Indeed! We have to ask ourselves aloud what beliefs actually enslave humanity, and question their validity. I think, that the purpose of any public forum like this, is not to spread vendetta, not to villify,not to prove anybody wrong,or oneself right,not to spread canards or lies,not to start a hate campaign ,but instead to foster LOVE, COMPASSION, UNDERSTANDING,and to develop a fellowship on the net primarily for an exchange of thoughts,ideas,memories, to reunite old accquaintances and friends,etc.. What better way is there to exchange thoughts and ideas than to ask thoughtful questions? What better way is there to foster fellowship and understanding than to challenge a view that uses the medium of prayer to ridicule pluralism? My dear friend Santosh,you may not know it, but I knew you as a kid and let us not spoil and vitiate the atmosphere on the Goanet. That is very nice to know. But I would have felt much better if you had used that knowledge to understand that I do not ever intend to spoil and vitiate the atmosphere on Goanet. I simply want to seek answers to my questions. Are we actually going through this life always questioning,don't you ever realise that someone may know a wee bit more than you? Yes, I go through life always questioning. That is what humble agnostics like me do out of habit. I think it is a good habit, and it is a mark of humility. I simply do not know enough. That is why I am an agnostic. But I know that there are many people who know more than I do. That is why in matters which cannot be decided by objective physical evidence I believe in PLURALISM. The prayer that you circulated rejects pluralism. It promotes the idea of privileged knowledge of absolute truth. It emits self-righteous arrogance. That is why I question its wisdom. That is why I suspect that Wright might very well be wrong. Cheers, Santosh ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]CM SHOULD STOP TERRORIZING THE PRESS
Chief Minister Manohar Parrikar has to be strongly condemned for issuing a legal notice calling upon all the local publications printed and published in Goa, to refrain from publishing any statements made by the President of the Goa Pradesh Congress Committee or by any person. This act of desperation by the Chief Minister is a matter of great concern and let us hope that the Panaji Bench of the Bombay High Court would in public interest take suo-motu cognisance to ensure that freedom of Press is restored in Goa. Chief Minister has to be reminded that a strong, vocal and constructive opposition is the key to the success of any democracy and that Mr. Parrikar's attempts to stifle the voices of Opposition was high-handed, unconstitutional and autocratic. If the Chief Minister is allowed to manipulate and muzzle the Press, all newspapers would have to wind up and Mr. Parrikar could circulate his Official Gazette to every Goan. The legal notice sent by the Chief Minister day exposes Mr. Parrikar's direct involvement in systematically targeting, intimidating and blackmailing the local Press. A free press is a basic tenet of our democratic set up and Chief Minister Parrikar should not get away by threatening and blackmailing the local media which infact has a very important and sacred role to play in our society. Chief Minister Manohar Parrikar should immediately withdraw his legal notice and tender a public apology to all the concerned newspapers. Aires Rodrigues Ribandar ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Please trim the original messages...
Dear Goanetters, Just a few words of advice from a grey-bearded Goanetter. (But then, as my senior colleague once told me, the oldest donkey is not necessarily the wisest donkey!) Anyway, onwards to the advice... If you quote, respond or repost an already-posted message to Goanet, please trim the already-posted message to the minimum possible. Or else, a whole lot of bandwidth is wasted both for the Goanet server and for every member of this mailing list. Secondly, if possible, instead of posting five responses to five different posts on a topic, say 'Should prostitution be legalised', it might be (i) watch the debate for awhile and (ii) consolidate your views into one posting and then dispatch that. Beyond a point, please note that repeated arguments on a single thread can irritate many readers, and give the wrong impression that you're such a bore -- when in real life you actually are such an interesting person! The problem is we don't have a reliable pulse-indicator to tell us when a horse is dead, and when we all ought to stop beating a dead horse ;-) Lastly, wanting to get the last word in a debate on Goanet can be injurious to your health ;-) It leads to some amount of one-upmanship, attempts to prove you're-wrong-and-I'm-right, getting caught up in never-ending and futile e-battles in religion-versus-atheism/agnostism (persistence in email was never known to have converted/de-converted anyone), and also in only further hardening the already-present if acceptable differences in opinion among us all. Okay, got to rush off. Can I see the flames of another war brewing? Anyone willing to wager what the subject will be one? My 25 paisa (you hardly see these coins anymore, oh, the pressures of inflation) bet is on (i) religion-versus-disbelief (ii) is-your-mother-into-prostitution? FN PS: Cecil, your prediction about the shacks licence-fees being 'magnanimously' reduced after a 500% hike was a good one -- - Frederick Noronha (FN)| http://www.fredericknoronha.net Freelance Journalist | http://www.bytesforall.org http://goalinks.pitas.com | http://joingoanet.shorturl.com http://linuxinindia.pitas.com | http://www.livejournal.com/users/goalinks - T: 0091.832.2409490 or 2409783 M: 0 9822 122436 - ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]TSKK... Konkani diploma course 2004-05
THOMAS STEPHENS KONKNNI KENDR B. B. Borkar Road, Alto Porvorim, Goa - 403 521 ?: (0832) 2415857, 2415864 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: www.goacom.com/tskk/ Thomas Stephens Konknni Kendr (TSKK), Alto Porvorim will conduct one year (from 03 June 2004 to 31 March 2005) Postgraduate Konkani Diploma Course for those who have the working knowledge of Konkani, namely, to speak Konkani and to read and write Konkani in Devanagari and Roman scripts. The last date to apply for the course is 31 March 2004. Candidates who apply for this course must appear for written and oral examinations on Friday, 30 April 2004 at 10.00 a.m. at TSKK premises. For further information contact TSKK during office hours or write to the TSKK Director. POSTGRADUATE KONKANI DIPLOMA COURSE Objectives: 1.To learn standard Konkani in Devanagari and Roman scripts. 2.To acquire mastery over spoken and written Konkani. 3.To deliver speeches in standard Konkani at public gatherings and functions. 4.To develop creative language skills. -to write short articles for Konkani journals. -to conduct and chair group discussion in Konkani. -to compere a Konkani function. -to conduct leadership camps in Konkani. -to learn Konkani hymns and songs. -to conduct liturgy and para-liturgy in Konkani. -to translate from English into Konkani. -to prepare Konkani radio programmes. 5. To appreciate and critically evaluate Konkani literature and culture. Duration: 03 June 2004 to 31 March 2005 Class Schedule: Monday to Friday: Period:109.45 to 10.40 Period:210.45 to 11.40 Period:311.50 to 12.45 Period:414.15 to 15.10 Period:515.15 to 16.10 Saturday: 09.45 to 12.45: Tests, seminars, assignments. Eligibility: Graduation in any discipline. Medium of Instruction: KONKANI. Script: Normally Devanagari script except where the use of Roman script is explicitly mentioned in the respective course. Number of Students: A maximum 16 students will be accepted for the course on a first come first served basis. Fee: Rs 13,000/- (Rupees thirteen thousand only). The fee is total which includes registration fee, tuition fee, examination fee, library fee and teaching material. After the entrance examination the successful students should pay the fee by Bank draft in the name of Thomas Stephens Konknni Kendr, payable at Panaji, Goa. Fee could be paid either at one time or in three instalments: TermAmount Last Date I TermRs 5,000/- 15. 05. 2004 II TermRs 4,000/- 04. 10. 2004 III TermRs 4,000/- 10. 01. 2005 The course fee is not refundable once the course starts. Credits: Every course carries credits according to its importance. One credit consists of 15 lecture hours. Each lecture is of 55 minutes duration. Attendance: Attendance at all prescribed courses is an essential requirement. If one is not able to attend a class for a serious reason the student should report to the concerned teacher. A longer absence than a day needs the express permission of the TSKK Director. Curriculum of the Postgraduate Konkani Diploma Course FIRST TERM: 03 June 2004 to 30 September 2004 (21 Credits) 03 June 2004: Inauguration. 04 June to 17 September : Class Days. 18 to 21 September : Study Days. 22 to 25 September : Examination Days. 26 Sept. to 03 October : Holidays. Basic Konkani: BK 01: Speaking Standard Konkani (1 Credit). BK 02: Konkani Basic Course (3 Credits). BK 03: Reading Konkani in Roman Script (1 Credit). BK 04: Writing Konkani in Roman Script (1 Credit) Intermediate Konkani: IK 01: Konkani Intermediate Course (7 Credits). IK 02: Writing Konkani in Devanagari Script (2 Credits). IK 03: History of Konkani Language and Old Konkani (1 Credit). IK 04: Konkani Grammar and Linguistics: Part 1 (4 Credits). IK 05: Methodology of Writing a Research Paper (1 Credit). Language Activities: Konkani Liturgical hymns (30 Periods). Konkani Songs (15 Periods). Exposure to Konkani Programmes: Literary, Cultural, Plays and Tiatr. SECOND TERM: 04 October to 11 December (12 Credits). 04 October to 29 November : Class Days. 30 November to 02 December : Recollection Days. 03 December to 07 December : Study Days. 08 December to 11 December : Examination Days. 13 December to 07 January 05: Fieldwork Advanced Konkani: AK 01: Konkani Literature in Roman Script (2 Credits). AK 02: Study of Konkani Short stories (2 Credits). AK 03: Study of Konkani Plays (2 Credits). AK 04: Study of Konkani Novel: 'Karmelin' (2 Credits) AK 05: Study of Konkani Essays (2 Credits). AK 06: Konkani Grammar and Linguistics: Part 2 (2 Credits). Language Activities: Exposure to Konkani
