[Goanet-news]GoanetReader -- Panaji... looking back, looking ahead

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PANAJI, PANJIM, PANGIM OR PONN'JE -- LOOKING BACK, LOOKING AHEAD

And as for fortune, 
and as for fame, 
I never invited them in
though it appeared, to the world, 
they were all I desired.

They are illusions, 
they're not the solutions they promised to be. 
The answer was here all the time. 
I love you, and hope you love me

Lines from the immortal song, 'Don't Cry For Me Argentina, based on the life
of singer Eva Peron, wife of Argentine dictator Juan Peron, a small town
girl who married the Argentine president and saw a life of riches and
extreme wealth.

But this is a song that the city of Panaji may well be singing. As our city
undergoes a huge physical transformation -- new swank theatres, four lane
roads, celebrities and a make-over, THE WEEKENDER takes a walk with one of
Panaji's most famous sons, Percival Noronha. 

He takes us through the lanes and by lanes and resurrects the beauty, the
grace, quaintness and the sheer history of our beloved city. But like Eva
Peron, who says that the trappings of new beauty are illusions and that real
beauty lay in Argentina's history, Percival Noronha captures this spirit in
a morning walk-about with PAUL FERNANDES. 

There is something else Eva Peron said:

You won't believe me.  
All you will see is a girl you once knew, 
although she's dressed up to the nines - 
for sixes and sevens with you.

As Panaji dresses up, like never before, we ask our readers never to forget
that little girl, Panaji, who you once knew.

-

A city steeped in legend, history and heritage, much changed and changing. 
And a man who has seen and experienced its evolution for over 70 years and
also knows expertly about its past. How does one keep pace or relate to both
on a nostalgic drive through its quaint streets and a halt at some of its
imposing landmarks?

The task was simply difficult. But to visualise the Panaji of the hoary
past, the mid-layered yesteryears and of more recent vintage from the crisp
and kaleidoscopic narrative of a man with rich a knowledge of its lineage
was a refreshing experience.

From the time, Percival Noronha joined us for a ride through the city at
7.30 am, its glorious past seemed to follow us everywhere. As our ebullient
photographer Barnabe Sapeco clicked happily at every landmark we stopped,
Noronha revived his old memories of the city during his childhood or later
and how it was in the past. The city has changed much and pretty fast,
comments Noronha.

From his old house `Ajenor' in the heritage precinct of Fontainhas, we drove
along the Rua de Ourem creek with the sun sparkling on the water to the
Ponte de Linhares which links the city with Ribandar. The causeway built in
1633-34 was at that time the longest bridge in the East.

From here, we turn left and drive past the old building of the Mint House
and site of Tobacco Square, General Post Office, the Fazenda and the Adil
Shahi palace and along the Calicut Road (now Dr Vaidya Road) to the Boca de
Vaca (Mouth of a Cow) fountain.

It is here and near the other spring Phoenix in Fontainhas that
life in this city began, he says. During his younger days, there
were many but small houses at Boca de Vaca, of mud walls and Roman
tiles. A few of the wells, which they sourced then have been buried
now. It was only in 1834 that Viceroy Dom Manuel de Portugal e
Castro gave the present shape to it.

The temple of Mahalaxmi was built around 1820 during the tenure of Conde do
Rio Pardo, notwithstanding the strong opposition of the then Bishop S
Galdino.  

The mass of land from the Oiteiro de Conceicao (hill of Conception) and the
municipal building to Pharmacy College and Don Bosco was a dense coconut
palm grove known as `Japao' which belonged to the Conde de Nova Goa, a
Portuguese count settled in Goa in the early 18th century. The government
acquired it for a new township in 1831. Their palace was located on the
present site of Don Bosco school of which no vestiges are left.

Similarly, non-cultivable land was acquired by Panaji municipality below the
church to develop the church square.

The first hermitage under the invocation of Our Lady of Conception came up
prior to 1541, according to Noronha. The Church became looked more majestic
with the laying of the double stairs in 1870.

Buildings of Santa Casa came up in 1896 while a progressive engineer
Luis A de Maravilhas designed the central zone of the city with its

[Goanet]Typos through history - # 7

2005-01-16 Thread Cecil Pinto
A new monk arrives at the monastery. He is assigned to help the other monks 
in copying the old texts by hand. He notices, however, that they are 
copying from copies, not the original manuscripts. So, the new monk goes to 
the head monk to ask him about this, pointing out that if there were an 
error in the first copy, that error would be continued in all of the 
subsequent copies.The head monk says, We have been copying from the copies 
for centuries but you make a good point my son.

So, he goes down into the cellar with one of the copies to check it against 
the original. Hours go by and nobody sees him. So, one of the monks goes 
downstairs to look for him. Hearing sobbing coming from the back of the 
cellar, he finds the old monk leaning over one of the original books crying.

He asks the old monk what's wrong, and in a choked voice came the reply, 
The word is celebrate.
--




[Goanet]In 1497.......The Europeans in India

2005-01-16 Thread Jyotiba Patil
The Europeans in India 
FROM THE POINTS OF THE COMPASS  
The Pathfinder of the East 
In 1497 Portuguese explorer Vasco da Gama set sail to chart the first sea 
passage to India. Although successful, he suffered great hardship. Many of his 
crew got scurvy, a disease caused by a lack of vitamin C that was the scourge 
of sailors until 1795 when lime juice was first used to prevent it. Violent 
storms and Gama's own volatile temper further tested his crew. Some historians 
say even mutiny was attempted to put an end to Gama's explorations. But Vasco 
da Gama returned to Portugal in 1499 triumphant, having written his own piece 
of history. 
As early as the 15th century, Europeans were interested in developing trade 
opportunities with India and a new trade route to East Asia. The Portuguese 
were devoted to this task, and in 1497 Vasco da Gama, a Portuguese royal 
navigator and explorer, led an expedition around the Cape of Good Hope and 
across the Indian Ocean. In May 1498 he sailed into the harbor of Calicut (now 
Kozhikode) on the Malabar Coast, opening a new era of Indian history. 
Establishing friendly relations with the dominant kingdom of the Deccan, the 
Portuguese secured lucrative trade routes on the coast of India in the early 
16th century.

For about the first two centuries after Europeans arrived in India, their 
activities were restricted to trade and evangelism, their presence protected by 
naval forces. For the entire period of the Mughal Empire, European traders were 
confined to trading posts along the coast. In the 16th century the Portuguese 
navy controlled the sea lanes of the Indian Ocean, protecting the traders 
settled in Goa, Damn, and Diu on the western coast. Christianity swiftly 
followed trade. Saint Francis Xavier, a Spanish Jesuit missionary, came to Goa 
in 1542, converting tens of thousands of Indians along the peninsular coast and 
in southern India and Ceylon before leaving for Southeast Asia in 1545. In 
fact, the area of India he and other missionaries traversed was already home to 
communities of Christians, some converted by Saint Thomas in the 1st century ad 
and some who fled to India many centuries later to escape persecution for their 
Nestorian beliefs.

The Dutch displaced the Portuguese as masters of the seas around India in the 
17th century. The Dutch East India Company was founded in 1602, two years after 
its main rival, the English East India Company. Both companies began by trading 
in spices, gradually shifting to textiles, particularly India's characteristic 
light, patterned cottons. Their activities in India were centered primarily on 
the southern and eastern coasts and in the Bengal region. The economic effect 
of purchases made at the coastal depots were felt far inland in the 
cotton-growing areas, but the Europeans did not at that time attempt to extend 
their political sway.

By the 18th century British sea power matched that of the Dutch, and the 
European rivalry in India began to take on a military dimension. During the 
first half of the 18th century the French, who had begun to operate in India in 
about 1675, emerged as a serious threat to the growing power and prosperity of 
the English East India Company. By the mid-18th century the British and French 
were at war with each other throughout the world. This rivalry manifested 
itself in India in a series of conflicts, called the Carnatic Wars, which 
stretched over 20 years and established the British as the primary European 
power in India. 

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[Goanet]Indian Aviation: Up, up and away? ... (Except in Goa!)

2005-01-16 Thread Philip Thomas
From sify.com:

Aviation: Budget allocation to go up


Sunday, 16 January , 2005, 13:21

New Delhi: Aviation experts have called for increase in budget allocation
for the civil aviation sector and said short-term measures need to be
initiated immediately before Delhi and Mumbai airports are privatised to
cope with the burgeoning passenger traffic.



At present, only one per cent of the union budget is earmarked for the
aviation sector. This must be raised to five per cent, said Saroj Datta,
executive director of Jet Airways, the country's largest private carrier.

Referring to various government levies on air turbine fuel, he said taxes on
the aviation sector should not be used for subsidising other sectors.
''Aviation is an engine for tourism growth.

Worldwide, air transport drives economic growth with multiplier effect in
terms of increased employment and development of ancillary industries.''
Travel and tourism is the biggest industry globally that provides 200
million jobs and contributes 3,500 billion dollars -- or 10 per cent -- to
the world's gross domestic product (GDP), Datta said while addressing an
industry seminar here yesterday.

Werner Hessen, director for Lufthansa German Airlines' south Asia
operations, said travel demand in India is battling aviation infrastructure.
''Airports in big cities are already in middle of a crisis. We've seen a lot
of talk in the air but people are nervous and anxious. Sometimes, hundreds
of passengers share just one lounge at an airport. Other times, it takes
one-and-a-half hours to get pass an immigration counter.''

Hessen said India contributes 17 per cent to the world population but only
0.02 per cent to the global aviation industry. H.S. Khola, former director
general of civil aviation, said the government must quickly appoint a
regulator after announcing the new aviation policy. Unless rules and
regulations are clear, he said, foreign investors would remain reluctant to
put funds in joint venture projects and greenfield ventures.

Delhi and Mumbai airports are virtually choking with rush of air travellers,
said Khola who is also advisor to the United Nations on aviation matters,
adding authorities must initiate short-term measures, as privatisation will
take three to five years.

Unprecedented rise in domestic air travel in the past 12 months (up from 15
million to over 17 million), opening up of the international skies for
domestic airlines, sharp rise in international arrivals (2.8 million to 3.7
million) and outbound traffic (4.8 million to 5.4 million) has shaken the
aviation industry out of its reverie.

But the airports infrastructure remains pathetically poor. For Delhi and
Mumbai -- the country's busiest airports -- the government has decided on
raising 74 per cent of the investment through the private sector with a
maximum of 49 per cent foreign direct investment.

Nine bidders have been shortlisted and the entire bidding process is likely
to be complete by March. Last year, Mumbai handled 13.3 million passengers
and Delhi about 10.5 million. Besides, 30 non-metro airports are being
upgraded. Work on Bangalore and Hyderabad greenfield airport projects is
being speeded up.


Ribandar








[Goanet]LETTERS FROM GOANETTERS MAY HAVE HELPED

2005-01-16 Thread airesrod
The letters written by fellow netters  Jose Colaco,
George Pinto and others to the Archibishop of Goa may
have helped.

In an important development in the Ribandar Church
crisis Goa’s Archbishop Filipe Neri Ferrao has
directed Fr Luciano Fernandes from Bishop’s palace to
visit Ribandar Church and hold a meeting of
parishioners to discuss the various long-standing
allegations of financial and moral irregularities at
the Church.

The meeting will be held at the Ribandar Church on
January 23rd at 10.30 am and will be open to all
parishioners.

The Archbishop’s decision comes in the wake of various
representations made over the last four years by the
Parish council as well the Church’s confraria
committee of alleged serious allegations against Fr.
Newton Rodrigues.

The meeting, which is expected to be very stormy, is
expected to discuss the financial irregularities in
the Church affairs and also the presence of a widow of
a Velim seaman who has been living in the Church with
her sons ever since Fr. Newton Rodrigues was posted at
Ribandar.

The Velim seaman had allegedly committed suicide
infront of the Usgao Church in Nov 99 because of the
allegedly extra-marital affair his wife was allegedly
having with Fr. Newton Rodrigues.

The Ribandar Church molestation issue is also expected
to figure at the deliberations of the crucial January
23rd meeting.

Aires Rodrigues
Ribandar






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[Goanet]AICHEA DISSAK CHINTOP (THOUGHT FOR TODAY) Jan 17, 2005!

2005-01-16 Thread domnic fernandes
“Tokli rajvoddki ajmas korunk; teach passot Devan tika kallza poros voir 
tharailea.”

(The head is supposed to rule; that’s why God placed it higher than the 
heart.)

Moi-mogan,
Domnic Fernnades
Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA
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[Goanet]Fr. Felicio Deniz Trophy Goan inter-village tournament in Bahrain

2005-01-16 Thread \\\Goa's Pride, www.goa-world.com\\\
Goans to host six-a-side soccer clash 

 

Bahrain Goans will conduct a one-day six-a-side soccer tournament on Friday at 
the open soccer ground next to East Riffa Stadium.  The tournament is in 
preparation for the forthcoming Goan inter-village League for the Father 
Felicio Diniz Trophy. 

All Goan players based in Bahrain are invited to participate in the 
tournament. The managers of teams who have registered for the league will be 
present on the day to assess the fitness of their players and to select new 
ones showing up on the day. The tournament will kick-off at 9.30am with the 
finals slated for a 4pm start. The teams that have confirmed their 
participation so far are Vasco, Tivim, Navelim, Chinchinim, Sarzora and 
Canacona. For more information contact Vincent D'Costa on 39672776 or Hilary 
Sanches on 39678211. 


(Gulf Daily News Bahrain)

 

- Forwarded by www.goa-world.com



[Goanet]Paklleo - lhan kovita

2005-01-16 Thread tomazinho
Paklleo
 
Videxi gulamintle
Zorui meklle ami,
Onitichea ghansantle,
Zativadachea pinzreantle,
Dhormvadachea zalleantle
Broxttacharachea chopkeantle,
Azun mukt zaunche asa.
 
 
Polle, mhojem ghor polle,
Daram na, zonelam na,
Vontthi na, kuddii na,
Asat te fokt mollbache nolle.
 
Tomazinho Cardozo
Orda, Candolim, Bardez, Goa.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
14. 91. 05



[Goanet]VCD - GOA FREEDOM STRUGGLE

2005-01-16 Thread Bosco D'Mello
There has been a fair amount of comment on Goanet re the infamous VCD on both
sides of the eternal fence. A fair amount of (state) taxpayer money was thrown
at this venture. I know for a fact that Goanetters Miguel, Cecil  Fred have
viewed the VCDif there's anybody in N. America who wants a copy of the
VCD, drop me a line.

Best wishes - Bosco


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Re: [Goanet]News Clippings

2005-01-16 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo
 --- Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 YOUTH MUST BE SENSITIVE TO GOAN CULTURE: PARRIKAR:
 The Chief Minister, Mr
 Manohar Parrikar, said that there was an urgent need
 to create sensitivity
 among the local youth to preserve Goan identity and
 rich culture of the
 State. Mr Parrikar was speaking as the chief guest
 at the 10th Goa Yuva
 Mahotsav. (NT)
 
 RESPONSE: C.M. You too, should be sensitive to the
 feelings of Goan
 Catholics and withdraw the VCD forthwith.
 -- 
 Cheers,
 
 Gabe.
 
 Wimbledon - London
 England.

Something I received just minutes earlier:

=
 Data: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 00:13:24 -0300 (ART)
   De: Pedro Kaul pedrokaul
(Brasil,Florianópolis)
  Assunto: Valores portugueses introduzidos na Índia.

Eis, a seguir, sentimentos de um cidadão lusófono,
sobre a ex-Índia Portuguesa:
- Um mixto de nostalgia e tristeza é o que sinto toda
vez que percebo que estão a se esvair, sobretudo nas
últimas cinco décadas, os valores portugueses
introduzidos em Goa, Damão e Diu ao longo de quase
cinco séculos.
- Particularmente entristecedor, e que tem até um
certo toque de ridículo (sim, exatamente de ridículo
!), é o fato de ver a Língua Portuguesa 
substituída, nessas regiões, pelo Inglês. ( Porque
dizer, por exemplo, St. Xavier’s College e não
Colégio de São Francisco Xavier ?). Melhor 
seria que, abandonando o Português, os luso-indianos
(ou melhor, os ex-luso-indianos) conservassem
unicamente suas línguas nativas, por exemplo o
Concani, no caso de Goa. O Inglês que, por decisão
política, na Índia, anulou o Português, acabará, de
uma maneira ou de outra, por causar um mal cultural
maior a esse país: o desaparecimento de suas línguas 
nativas. 
Estou certo ou estou errado ?
 
Pedro



A quick translation of the above for the
Portuguese-challenged:

Following are the feelings of a lusophone citizen on
the ex-India Portuguesa:
- a mixture of nostalgia and sadness that I feel every
time I come to know that the portuguese values
introduced in Goa, Damao  Diu over the past 5
centuries that are being drained, especially in the
last 5 decades; 
- paricularly saddening, and to a certain extent
ridiculous, is the fact that the Portuguese Language
is being substituted, in these regions, by English.
(Why does one say, for example, St. Xavier's College
and not Colégio de São Francisco Xavier ?).  It would
have been better if the luso-Indians (or better the
ex-luso-Indians) had they conserved their native
languages, e.g. Konkani in the case of Goa.  The
English language, by way of a political decision in
India, has put an end to the Portuguese language (in
Goa, Damao  Diu), and will result (similarly), in one
way or another, in bringing about a large cultural
evil to that country - the disappearance of its native
languages.



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Re: [Goanet]AICHEA DISSAK CHINTOP (THOUGHT FOR TODAY) Jan 16, 2005!

2005-01-16 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo
 --- domnic fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 “Axea soddinaka.  Sabar pauttim gonsantli nimanni
 chavi talem ugoddta.”
 
 (Don’t be discouraged.  It is often the last key in
 the bunch that opens the 
 lock.)
 

In my experience, it has been the last bolt or nut
that refuses to budge, leading to depair ... ;-))

Gabriel - Melbourne - Australia.

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Re: [Goanet]Re: Poor 7k+ members of goanet!!!!!

2005-01-16 Thread Frederick Noronha(FN)
On Sun, 16 Jan 2005, Mario Goveia wrote:
I still have no idea what off-topic means in the
context of an open forum like Goanet. Who decides what
is off-topic and what is not? Either this is an open
forum for all Goans wherever they live in the world,
or it is a closed forum only for Goa-related issues.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Off-topic
A message in a discussion is off-topic if its topic is different from the 
main topic in the discussion. Originally, off-topic applied to newsgroup 
messages, but now applies to any discussion forum. The opposite of 
off-topic is on-topic.

See also: Internet troll
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On-topic
Something is on-topic if it is within the bounds of the current 
discussion. This term is normally used in the context of mailing lists, 
discussion groups, bulletin boards and newsgroups, all of which are 
generally established for the discussion of specific topics. On-topic 
postings are not generally required to be indicated, but in some groups 
on-topic discussion is so rare that the header is marked accordingly.

The opposite of on-topic is off-topic.
http://www.iwillfollow.com/email.htm
E-Mail Etiquette
Introduction
This document is intended to offer guidance to users of electronic mail 
(e-mail) systems, whether it's a twelve-year old computer nerd's BBS, one 
of the dinosaur services like AOL-ful, Compu-Snore or Prodigee-wiz, or the 
vast world of the Internet. Although it's geared towards users of the 
afore-mentioned services, it has sections that apply to all types of 
e-mail systems

Nothing is more wasteful than to reply to an e-mail by including a 
complete copy of the original with the words I agree , Okay or Ditto 
at the bottom.



[Goanet]Re: Betting odds

2005-01-16 Thread Bosco - Goanet Volunteer
Hi Gaspar,

This is in response to your message on Goanet that was addressed to me:

http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2004-December/022655.html

Sorry for the delay in responding to you...am slowly getting back into the
groove after the holidays.

I'm as confused as you are on this issue..more because you posted another
message just before the one in question. I have limited tools and time to sleuth
around here.nevertheless we are all well aware there are many mischief
makers on Goanet that mask their identities.Take for example:

http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2004-December/022514.html
http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2005-January/022735.html

This person mis-spells his name in two posts 5 days apart. Go figure !!

I take your word for it that you do not have a lycos account and have nothing to
do with the post in question.

Please note Marlon Menezes is not a member of Goanet Admin and does not interact
with Goanet Admin on any issues related to Goanet operations. He is a Goanet
subscriber just like yourself and thousands of others. A list of Goanet Admins
members can be found at the end of this message:

http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2005-January/022711.html

Please don't say of the Goanet Admin team : The stubbornness of the admin team
in implicating me with uncalled for tirade is yet another example of nirdukai
and nothing else.

This is unnecessary and I've told you several times - Goanet Admin have neither
the time nor the intent of playing games with any individual. Goanet Admin
members are volunteering their time and resources only to ensure Goanet runs
smoothly as per the rules and guidelines that are laid out every month. I hope
we can put this issue (drawing Goanet Admin into this exchange) to rest.

As I've told you before, we're all here in the interest of Goa and Goans. We
have to be working together for Goa and Goans and not be divided.

Viva Goenkar ! Viva Goa !!

Best wishes - Bosco
Goanet Admin


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[Goanet]Parties, etc

2005-01-16 Thread jack braniff
hi it good to read BUT AFTER READING ABOUT THESE PARTIES ETC i wont be
taking my children and family back to goa again nor will some of my friends
that normally travel there.i think we will start looking elswere

From: Joel D'Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED]

IT'S PARTY TIME: For rave tourists, there's much to sing and dance about. 
In a shocking revelation, the GT Weekender team came across certain notings
on the files in the Dy Collector Mapusa office, where it was clearly stated
by the Anjuna PI and Mapusa SDPO that permissions should not be given to
specific rave parties at Hilltop known for its raves. The notings mentioned
past violations and asked the Deputy Collector not to give permissions.
These objections were overruled on the grounds that the police did not give
enough evidence! (WE-GT)



[Goanet]RIBANDAR CHAPEL FEAST TODAY MONDAY 17TH JANUARY

2005-01-16 Thread Aires Rodrigues
Just a reminder to our fellow netters that the residents of Fonduvem,
Ribandar will celebrate today  Monday January 17th the feast of Our Lady of
Help Chapel.

The traditional Konkani drama will be held near Fonduvem Chapel at 9 p.m.
With modern technology in place we are attempting to see if Ribandarites in
Kuwait can watch the drama live. We are working on it. Let's hope it is
possible.

The drama is annually well attended and draws a lot of crowd from
surrounding villages also. A traditional lamp symbolising peace, unity and
brotherhood will be lit on the occasion.

Dear netters please come and join in our  feast celebrations and make sure
you do not miss tonight's drama. A tiatr you would all enjoy watching.
Fonduvem, Ribandar is the place to be.

Aires Rodrigues
Ribandar




Re: [Goanet]Re: Poor 7k+ members of goanet!!!!!

2005-01-16 Thread Mario Goveia
On Sat, 15 Jan 2005, Mario Goveia wrote:
No one is forcing him to read every post. The subject
line and the name of the poster should give him a clue
if he is interested or not, and he can then either
delete the post, read it, respond or just move on.

Fred Noronha responds:
Mario has been putting forth this argument for some
time now. It is however problematic, and is only
partly correct. In fact, someone who takes a
Marioesque position *is* indeed forcing him or her to
download their message.

Mario replies:
I guess I don't understand how a member, who joins
Goanet voluntarily, can then take the position that
they are being forced to see the messages that have
been posted. With that attitude, maybe they should not
be members in the first place.

I have previously said nothing about downloading
messages, only about not being forced to read the
messages that have been downloaded.  Membership, in my
opinion, includes receiving all messages that have
been posted.  The only alternative is a web site,
where members can read only postings they want to
without downloading all messages.

Fred seems very sympathetic to the few Goanetters who
complain about posts they do not like out of the 7,000
total members, most of whom seem to have no complaint.
 The Ribandar issue disturbs me, for example, but I
respect those who are interested in the topic, and it
doesn't impede my rights or interests in any way.

Postings on multinational issues are a small
percentage of the postings on Goanet.  Furthermore,
how can postings on international issues have anything
to do with Lawrie's friend being reluctant to express
his opinions on Goan issues on Goanet?  Isn't it more
plausible that this friend is afraid that his
information and opinions on Goa-related issues will be
challenged and opposed by others?

I still have no idea what off-topic means in the
context of an open forum like Goanet. Who decides what
is off-topic and what is not? Either this is an open
forum for all Goans wherever they live in the world,
or it is a closed forum only for Goa-related issues.

Fred has now created a new and unique idea of a
posting on an open membership forum and bulletin board
being seen as spam, because the subject matter is
not of interest to one or other member.  This is a
complete distortion of what spam means, which is
unsolicited emails to an individual email address. 
When one becomes a member of a bulletin board open to
postings by several members there is no expectation of
an unsolicitated email on the bulletin board. 
Moderators should restrict themselves to membership
rules and to preventing abuse.

If Fred and Herman want to use restrict postings on
Goanet then they should impose their will as they see
fit.  After all, they seem to be in control of the
content.  Members will respond and/or participate
based on what they do.  It's called natural
selection. 



Re: [Goanet]GoanetReader -- Stamps from across the world, viewed with faith

2005-01-16 Thread Jorge/Livia de Abreu Noronha
Re the following paragraph of the write-up in Gomantak Times (see below):

«While most stamps on show had been released by Catholic nations, what is
equally interesting is that several Muslim nations have also released many
 on various aspects of the life of Jesus and the Holy Family. It showed
 their true spirit of secularism, says Fr Cosme J Costa, well known writer
 and priest at Pilar»,

I wonder how no mention was made of the following stamps issued by the
Indian Posts  Telegraphs:

a) St. Thomas (with an effigy of the saint), released on 2-12-1964 on the
occasion of an official visit of Pope Paul VI to India, which started on
that date; value: 0.15 (fifteen paise)

b) St. Thomas 19th Death Centenary 72-1972 (depicting a St. Thomas Cross),
released on 3-7-1973; value: 20P. (twenty paise)

c) St. Francis Xavier (depicting the top part of a statue of the saint, with
his silver casket in the background), issued in 1974; value: 25P. (twenty
five paise).

Jorge

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To: goanet@goanet.org
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 8:03 PM
Subject: [Goanet]GoanetReader -- Stamps from across the world, viewed with
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 Stamps from across the world, viewed from a faith perspective

 By Paul Fernandes   [Gomantak Times]

 PILAR: A 40-year-old stamp from Iran depicts the Mother and Child. Another
 rare one from Spain shows the circumcision ceremony of Jesus. And the Holy
 Family's flight to Egypt is an artistic expression of the scene, released
by
 Katanga (now in Congo).

 These are some of the eye-catching stamps at an exhibition organised by
 Major Seminary, on Pilar hillock. Called `Faith Expression in Stamps', it
 provides philatelists and others a rare opportunity to see and appreciate
 the range of stamps depicting the life of Christ and some great religious
 personalities under different sections.

 `Baptism of Jesus'  is another touching scene captured in a stamp released

 by Ethiopia. Some of our great religious personalities like Fr Jose Vaz
find
 a place in the section on `Tribute to Great Men'.

 While most stamps on show had been released by Catholic nations, what is
 equally interesting is that several Muslim nations have also released many
 on various aspects of the life of Jesus and the Holy Family. It showed
 their true spirit of secularism, says Fr Cosme J Costa, well known writer
 and priest at Pilar.

 The Republique du Burundi had brought out stamps on the 14 stations of the
 Cross. A stamp released by Ethiopia has a scene showing Jesus after he is
 brought down from the Cross after his crucifixion.

 Ras-al-Khaima, one of the seven states of United Arab Emirates (UAE), had
 released a stamp of the Crib and this can be seen in the section on `Cribs
 of the World'. The stamps shown in this section range from 1964 to 2001.

 St Francis Xaveir used to sign with a flourish and this finds place in a
 stamp released by the Portuguese government in Goa in 1931.

 The Major Semfinary had participated in a philatelic exhibition of 1962
and
 had won the second prize. From then on, the collection has grown and is
 worthy of appreciation by stamp lovers and others.

 The exhibition will continue till early January, 2005, according to
sources
 at Pilar.







[Goanet]Dempos, mining, the Simputer...

2005-01-16 Thread Frederick Noronha (FN)
Just came across this article earlier today in the Express Computer (that 
was edited till recently by Val Souza, a Mumbai-based journo who traces 
his roots to Goa). FN

Frederick Noronha (FN)Nr Convent Saligao 403511 GoaIndia
Freelance Journalist  P: 832-2409490 M: 9822122436

http://www.express-computer.com/20041227/technology01.shtml
Tracking ore movements with the Simputer
Mining of iron ore and tracking it from the loading to unloading points is 
quite a task. Vinutha V says that Encore Software's Simputer offers a 
simple technology to keep a track of ore movements in the mining field

The ore tracking system can be further enhanced to use a
contact-free smart card, which could be Wi-Fi-enabled in
the future -- Mark Mathias, President Encore Software
It's a classic example of how technology can help meet business challenges 
without requiring heavy investments in infrastructure. Tracking materials 
movement within a quarry or mine and unloading different grades of ore is 
a complex undertaking. Mining companies encounter enormous wastage of time 
and material and they have to bear the brunt of transportation and labour 
costs for mistakes. An ore tracking system becomes an evident requirement 
for optimising mining material management. Without any investment on the 
network infrastructure, Goa-based V S Dempo  Co, an iron ore mining 
company wanted to deploy a solution based on mobile computing that could 
solve their ore-tracking problems. The Encore Simputer has been used in 
many e-governance projects, e-post and traffic violation systems. An ore 
tracking application was developed by Deltra Software and ported on to a 
Simputer permitting the management of the field information flow and 
tracking of ore movements with minimum human intervention.

Harsh mining conditions
Eighty Simputers have been deployed at the Dempo mining field in three 
strategic points--loading (located at the mine pit), unloading and at the 
weighbridge. The entire process including the creation of routes from each 
location after accounting for variables such as the type of truck and the 
loading machinery and enforcing unloading behaviour is entered into the 
Simputer. Mark Mathias, president of Encore Software says, Involvement of 
various vehicles and machinery at different locations was the main 
concern. Additionally the weather at the mining fields was extreme during 
the summer and monsoon seasons. Initially, the display panel would become 
darker when the temperature increased over 40 degree Celsius. Encore 
upgraded the Simputer's display panel to meet this challenge. The Simputer 
that was resistant to 40 degree Celsius was modified to withstand 50 
degrees.

Tracking the process
On a typical run, each weighbridge, loading and unloading point is 
recognised by a unique location code and a Simputer is deployed at these 
locations. Drivers accessing these destinations will be given smart cards 
with details such as the type of vehicle, type of material, tare weight 
(net weight of the load) and the type of the loading machinery. Once the 
transport vehicle or loading machinery reaches the destination, a 
supervisor swipes the smart card into the Simputer and finds if the data 
in the smart card and the Simputer match. If they do, loading, unloading 
or weighing of material will be carried out. At the end of the shift, a 
field executive takes a Simputer to each of the three locations and 
downloads the field reports from the Simputer used at each location for 
capturing field data or reports using IR (Infrared). After collecting data 
from all three locations, the data is then uploaded to the server.

Behind the scenes
The application software used in the entire process consists of the client 
programme residing on each Simputer and the server programme on a back-end 
server. The client software programs for different entities assigns 
location codes and routes, reads smart cards, checks the validity of 
vehicles and records data on smart cards. The server application takes 
care of data collection, report generation, downloading of supervisory 
information from a PC to a Simputer and uploading of data from Simputer to 
PC.

The Simputer uses 16 MB of flash storage to store at least a week's data, 
non-volatile storage for the operating system, the application and user 
data. The Simputer will connect to the back-end server through its USB 
Slave interface. Once a Simputer is plugged into the USB port of the PC, 
through a USB Cable, it will be assigned an IP address. The Simputer 
application will use socket programming to implement data transfers. The 
client application maintains its data in any internal format and can then 
transfer this data to the server that can use a database. Mathias says, 
The ore tracking system can be further enhanced to use a 

[Goanet]Blessed Joseph Vaz

2005-01-16 Thread George Pinto
From the JOSEPH NAIK VAZ INSTITUTE
Berkeley, California

Please share this message with your children and grandchildren as they honor 
their Goan roots and
take pride in Goan achievements. Please also forward this message to your 
family and friends.

Jan 16th is the 294th death anniversary of Goa's greatest native saint, BLESSED 
JOSEPH VAZ. He was
made Patron of the Archdiocese of Goa and Daman on Jan 16, 2000.  Little is 
known about our own
Indian-born saints with the emphasis typically on European saints.  

Pope John Paul II on the occasion of the Beatification “I came to Sri Lanka 
above all to honor
Blessed Joseph Vaz.  Like a star shining in the Asian sky, this great spiritual 
guide teaches us
many lessons about the goodness of the human person and the nobility of our 
destiny as human
beings.”  January 21, 1995

Life of Blessed Joseph Vaz 
Apostle of Kanara and Sri Lanka (1651-1711)

1651  Born in Benaulim, Goa, India, on April 21.

1676  Is ordained a priest.  Shortly after, volunteers to go to Sri Lanka where 
the Dutch were
persecuting Catholics and had banned all priests from entering the island. The 
Chapter of Goa
refuses his offer because the mission would have meant certain death for him.

1681  Is sent to rescue the almost extinct mission in Kanara, present-day 
Karnataka in India.
Rebuilds the Church in Mangalore and Kanara, establishes missions, tends to the 
sick, ransoms
prisoners.

1684  Returns to Goa and joins a band of native Indian priests who formed a 
community.

1685  Founds the Indian branch of the Oratory of St. Philip Neri, on September 
25. 

1686  Leaves Goa secretly and sets out for Sri Lanka.

1687  Arrives in Jaffna in the Tamil region of Sri Lanka, with a servant, John 
Vaz, both disguised
as coolies. He works with a price on his head.1691 Is almost captured by the 
Dutch and is advised
to go to Kandy. Is brought into Kandy in chains and imprisoned as a Portuguese 
spy by the Buddhist
King, Vimaladharma Surya II.

1693  Works a miracle of rain during a severe drought. The King releases him 
and gives him
protection and freedom to preach in his kingdom. As in Goa and in Mangalore, is 
often seen in
ecstasy in prayer. The people call him “Sammana Swami” or Angelic Father.

1697 Is joined by three of his Indian Oratorians from Goa. During a small-pox 
epidemic in Kandy,
the King and the people flee the capital. Fr. Vaz and Fr. Carvalho, tend to the 
dying and
abandoned victims for almost two years.

1705  Dedicates the Shrine of Our Lady of Madhu. 

1711  Dies in Kandy on January 16, after 23 years of arduous missionary work in 
Sri Lanka. 


The Work of Blessed Joseph Vaz
His missionary work was not colonial, not helped, authorized, associated with 
conquest by a
colonial power. He gained the protection of a non-Christian King, Vimaladharma 
Surya II of Kandy,
a devout Buddhist.  He used inculturation as a missionary method. He founded a 
Catholic
para-liturgy and literature using the two languages and cultures of Sri Lanka, 
Tamil and
Sinhalese; he practiced and taught Meditation.  He educated his servant John 
Vaz, a member of the
Indigenous tribe of Kunbis, and sent him back to Goa with a letter of 
recommendation to the
priesthood. At that time, the Portuguese Church Councils reserved the 
priesthood only for the two
higher castes in Goa.  He founded the miraculous Shrine of Our Lady of Madhu, 
one of the five
officially crowned Marian Shrines of the Church, crowned in 1924, before 
Fatima. 

He is the first non-European native in modern times to found a Mission and 
Church in a “Third
World” country; to found a fully native Catholic Religious Congregation; and to 
be given the
official title of “Apostle” (of Kanara and Sri Lanka) by the Church, for his 
work in rescuing the
Church there. His Indian Oratorian Mission is the only fully native, 
non-European Catholic Mission
of our colonial era. The Church he re-founded in Sri Lanka was persecuted and 
survived isolation
from Rome for 140 years: “Here is a country in which the faith was first 
preached, and a Church
founded with great success to flourish for over a century, by missionaries who, 
being afterwards
forced by the political failure of their nation to abandon the field, left this 
island for good
and their converts... without churches or priests and under the heel of a 
persecutor; and a single
priest (Joseph Vaz) from another country, came here of his own accord..and 
laboring heroically
with a price upon his head, revived the faith…and made many conversions in the 
teeth of
persecution, imprisonment and hostility..(no) subsequent political, social, and 
ecclesiastical
changes in the country were ever able to undo his work;it must be stated 
with caution and
subject to correction, but no other instance of such an achievement is known in 
Christendom.”

Sri Lankan historian, Fr. S.G. Perera, S.J., from his book, The Life of the 
Venerable Father
Joseph Vaz 

Novena Prayer for the Canonization of 

[Goanet]Life on the planet... and Vishwas Chavan

2005-01-16 Thread Frederick Noronha (FN)
Those who have been early Goanetters would surely find the name of Vishwas 
Chavan familiar. When hardly anyone else had a net connection in Goa, he 
played a key role in sending across news summaries -- that was sometime in 
1994 or early 1995. Vishwas subsequently went to the CCMB (molecular 
biology centre) and just today made news with this large article in the 
Indian Express, which is copied below. Enjoy, as they would say then on 
the Internet! FN

Frederick Noronha (FN)Nr Convent Saligao 403511 GoaIndia

http://cities.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=109819
Home Pune Page One
Friday , December 10, 2004
CITY-BASED NCL PLAYS HOST TO TOP AMERICAN AND INDIAN SCIENTISTS TO CHART A 
MAP FOR CREATING ELECTRONIC CATALOGUE ON BIODIVERSITY

Imagine: life on the planet, a complete history on the web!
Kartyk Venkataraman
Pune, December 9: IMAGINE a future where a global warning system alerts 
farmers on a possible invasion by crop-killing pests, an ecosystem is 
saved before a super-highway is constructed, an area is identified by 
forest officials as a wildlife sanctuary before it's too late.

And all this done by accessing a comprehensive, globally interoperable 
online electronic catalogue on biodiversity -- one that lists hundreds of 
thousands of flora and fauna species, geographically with complete data on 
each and every entry.

In a bid to convert this vision into reality and bring IT to the 
taxonomist (biodiversity researcher) the National Chemical Laboratory 
(NCL) played host to an Indo-US joint international workshop on 
Biodiversity Informatics. Attended by 45 Indian and eight American 
delegates specialising in IT and biodiversity, as well as NCL scientists, 
the three-day meet, which ended on Thursday, looked at identifying various 
areas of collaboration.

John Mosesso, US Geological Survey (biological resources discipline), is 
upfront when he says it's a little too early to say a solution has been 
reached in collating the huge volumes of taxonomical information. ''Our 
data would be useful to experts in identifying endangered species and 
invasive ones.

''We are in the process of digitising information on biodiversity in North 
America and in other parts of the world. These three days in Pune has seen 
a lot of information and idea exchange,'' Mosesso told Pune Newsline. 
Though largely a scientific endeavour, Mosesso said some corporates were 
being involved in the US to create awareness.

His co-US delegate Michael Ruggiero, director, Integrated Taxonomic 
Information System (ITIS), USGS-Smithsonian Institution hit the nail on 
the head. ''It's been almost 200 years of naming species all over the 
world, but the data wasn't digitised. The same species are identified by 
different names in various parts of the world. Our's is a standard 
checklist for North American biodiversity, providing authoritative 
information.''

In India, the NCL Centre for Biodiversity Informatics (NCBI) has since 
2001 put together a comprehensive website -- www.ncbi.org.in -- where the 
section on Indian fauna alone contains over 90,000 entries alongwith 
48,000 synonyms and 15,078 common names. Apart from this are exhaustive 
entries on flora, fungi, viruses, microbes, threatened and invasive 
species.

Vishwas Chavan, scientist at NCL who is coordinating work at NCBI, says 
most of the data has been sourced from the Kolkata-based Zoological Survey 
of India (ZSI), as also from printed research papers.

''There is a lot of information, but it's locked up in cupboards all over 
the country. The challenge is to open these cupboards. This website would 
make biodiversity researchers' job much easier,'' he said.

[It's a longer article, but I can't seem to find the links... -FN]


Re: [Goanet](no subject) Re Ribandar

2005-01-16 Thread Frederick Noronha(FN)
On Sun, 16 Jan 2005, Salus Correia wrote:
If the priest is really guilty, then surely our good man Joel will give 
us the news off the local papers as he has faithfully been doing so 
far.
I may point out here that the main English-langauges papers seem to be 
avoiding this issue.

While persistent repetition of allegations could lead to a mistrial at 
this stage, likewise a blackout on any issue is no solution in itself.

This is a complex issue.
As Goanetters we have to make sure that an innocent man's name is not 
tarished by ceaseless repitition of allegations. On the other hand, if 
anyone was guilty he should not be let off the hook simply because 
everyone ganged up.

Once again, an appeal to everyone's good sense. FN


[Goanet]RIBANDAR THREAD

2005-01-16 Thread Aires Rodrigues
After the Goanet Admin team announced in its wisdom its decision to
partially close the discussion on the Ribandar Church molestation case,  two
posts have filtered through. It would be unfortunate if partially closed
would mean to allow only posts that favour the accused priest.

As reference is made to me directly I wish to clarify some of the points
that have been made by the two fellow netters and I hope the Admin team is
fair enough in not blocking this post.

Regarding the post by Avelino D' Souza form Kuwait,  I agree that the
Ribandar issue is getting complicated by the day. If you are able to speak
to any Ribandarite in Kuwait you will get the real picture.

Nobody believes that they can  judge and condemn the accused on this forum.
You are right that the victim and the mother are not interested in pursuing
the case. We need to know why they have made a volte-face. It is clear that
they are doing so under severe pressure from the Church. Months after
themselves filing the complaint they have tried to withdraw the complaint
but these offences are not compoundable or cannot be compromised alike a
property dispute. This the victim and the mother have been told by the
police.  Above all an offence against a minor cannot be withdrawn by anyone.
It has to be resolved by the Courts. This safeguard has been incorporated in
our legal system. Otherwise everyone committing a crime would use pressure
and high-handed tactics to use monetary and other pressures to go scot free.
.
Avelino D' Souza all says that the people of Ribandar should get together
and look at the possibility of apology from accused. We had sought the
intervention of  Goa's Archbishop in the matter. But the Bishop has chosen
to be silent and allowed the matter to drag on.

There is no obsession with the case. An offence against a child in
particular is very serious. We should not wait till it happens to our own
kin.

Regarding the points raised by Salus Correia I could reassure him that
throughout I have given sheer facts and developments as they have evolved.
At no point have I used Goanet for my personal ends. Why should I.

Salus may feel sick reading about this saga. Truth is sometimes sickening.
Joel's news clippings are from Goa's three English newspapers. The powerful
and mighty church has been able to blank this issue from these papers since
long. So Joel is not to be blamed.

It is only the local Konkani and Marathi newspapers and some of the national
English dailies that have had the spine and courage to highlight the issue.

In closing the thread on this issue I don't understand as to how the Goanet
Admin team has come to a conclusion that MOST of our fellow netters  are
tired of hearing about the Ribandar case. And we have not been told what
PARTIAL CLOSING means. The case is yet to begin. The proceedings of the main
case will start only when the chargesheet is filed.

Aires Rodrigues
Ribandar




[Goanet]News Clippings

2005-01-16 Thread Gabe Menezes
YOUTH MUST BE SENSITIVE TO GOAN CULTURE: PARRIKAR: The Chief Minister, Mr
Manohar Parrikar, said that there was an urgent need to create sensitivity
among the local youth to preserve Goan identity and rich culture of the
State. Mr Parrikar was speaking as the chief guest at the 10th Goa Yuva
Mahotsav. (NT)

RESPONSE: C.M. You too, should be sensitive to the feelings of Goan
Catholics and withdraw the VCD forthwith.
-- 
Cheers,

Gabe.

Wimbledon - London
England.



[Goanet]New rules should reduce air fares ?

2005-01-16 Thread rene barreto



BBC News online
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4176671.stm

 Saturday, 15 January, 2005,

New rules should reduce air fares


Plane tickets are expected to become substantially cheaper as ticket sale
rules are relaxed from this weekend.

Travel agents in one country will be allowed to issue tickets in another,
the international body which regulates air fares, IATA, has decided.
In many cases, buying two single tickets to and from one destination will be
cheaper than a return ticket.

First-class and business travellers will save the most, with economy
travellers not seeing much difference.

That is because the rise and rise of low-cost airlines has already made
economy fares in Britain among the cheapest in the world.
The liberalisation of the rules, which should knock several hundred pounds
off the price of many tickets, has been prompted by the growing volume of
ticket sales on the internet.

Undercut

IATA has acknowledged that in the internet age, identifying the country in
which customers book their tickets online is almost impossible.
It has therefore decided that air fares should no longer be based on the
country of sale.

Until now, travel agents in one country could not issue tickets in another,
even though that would have meant savings for their customers, simply
because people usually pay less for tickets issued in their own countries.
To ensure that passengers would not undercut the price of a return trip,
one-way fares from their destination back home would never be less than the
fare in the reverse direction.

By scrapping this rule, IATA has effectively allowed the price of a one-way
business class ticket from Hong Kong to London to fall from #2,600 to
#1,900, fare experts say.

Similarly, a business one-way ticket from Sao Paulo, Brazil, to London will
drop from #3,300 to #1,300.

Flights starting and ending in cities outside the country where the booking
was made will become cheaper, too.

The new rules will not apply to flights to, from or via Japan.
==
rene barreto
=




[Goanet](no subject)

2005-01-16 Thread Salus Correia

I am sure that most of the Goanet readers are already tired of the ‘Ribandar
’ debate.  I could understand it if a sincere attempt was made by Aires
Rodrigues to give us the facts, but the way he has chosen to use Goanet to
meet his own personal ends surely disgusts me.

I feel sick reading every post of his detailing what he has accused the
priest of doing.  While at no stage am I confirming or denying what the
priest has done, please, do not portray him as guilty while the matter is
still sub-judice.

It is high time the admin team steps in and stops this so called debate
because it is no longer a debate, but a mud slinging activity.  If the
priest is really guilty, then surely our good man Joel will give us the news
off the local papers as he has faithfully been doing so far.  I am sure that
majority of Goanet readers will agree with my point of view on this subject.
I am looking forward to a confirmation from the admin team that this so
called debate has been closed with immediate effect.

Frederick Noronha (FN) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Someone I met yesterday in Panjim said, This Ribandar debate is going on
too long at Goanet.
 ...the general member also has a responsiblity to speak up