[Goanet]Naming Game 2-Kazar (Wedding)

2005-03-21 Thread lino dourado
ROS

A day before the wedding the bride and the groom, each
at their respective houses, are made to sit in the
mail hall (salant). Relatives, neighbors are invited
over to apply ros. The ROS is applied to the different
parts of the body. Ros is a farewell to single
life...some believes probably a purification of.

Now read on..or sing Zoti/Vers

  OXO EK MOG ASLO   (re-posting)

Tujea modur onttancho chumb
   mhojea pollear ditana
Tujea tea sobit nille dolleant 
   dukham kiteak?

Kazarachea adlea disa
   novreak ros lavpak 
xezarim ekttavlim
   Jedna tuji pali aili
tedna tujem kalliz
   dodd’doddlem kiteak?

Mathem tem paim pasun
   tuje mov-mov hat
mhojea angar bhonvtana
   Nitoll narlachea rosa barabor
mhoji kudd tujea dukhamni 
   bizovli kiteak?

Tujea kallzan zal’lem tufan
   somdira lharam von vhodd
Mhojea sukhachea vellar
   dhuki vadoll kiteak?

Ekach agnnant ami vaddlim
   vangdda  nachlim-khell’lim
utthlim-boslim
   Ponn tujea hodd’dde bhitor
mhojo guptim mog xiztolo
   lipun dovorlo  kiteak?

Lino B. Dourado
(Utodd’ddekar)







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[Goanet]RE: Naming Game 2-Kazar (Wedding) Tum Sangxi?

2005-03-21 Thread D'Souza, Avelino
Lino bab,

Hanvem zaiti koshish keli tumcho vo proxn somjunk.  Pun kotta kainch lab
mellonk nam.  Upkar korun maka sang him panch sobd konkni bhaxechim vo
firgim bhaxechim?  Vicharta munn ragar zainaka, karann hanvem him utram
kednanch aikonk nam.


Avelino
Bastora/Kuwait

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lino dourado <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Maddamchea chutt'ttancho vapor khoimsor zatalo?

Can you tell the following

1- Folli
2- Tornaboda
3- Calcada
4- Mali or Malinn
5- Alvis


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Re: [Goanet]WATER FOR LIFE: THEME FOR WORLD WATER DAY:

2005-03-21 Thread Seb dc
On the World Water Day

Please do not waste it - while you have enough please take care of it

A drop saved

 ...is a bucket earned.



Save it now

. Never throw water down the drain, it could be used for other purposes like
watering plants

. Use a bucket while bathing instead of the shower

. Turn off the tap while shaving

. Check whether the water pipes in your home are leak proof



Cheers,
Seb

> WATER FOR LIFE: THEME FOR WORLD WATER DAY: WORLD WATER DAY BEING
CELEBRATED ON
> MARCH 22, 2005
>





Re: [Goanet]Juhu Aerodrome

2005-03-21 Thread Eddie
Juhu Aerodrome is presently being used by Pawan Hans (Helicopters)
for the ONGC's Bombay High Offshore Project, for transporting crew
to offshore installationsit was also used  by pvt aviation companies
for the smaller aircrafts. The Juhu airstrip might be slightly bigger
than the runway of aircraft carrier...Years back a British Boeing
landed there by mistake and they had difficulty in taking off.
A similar incident happend to a Saudia Jumbo which landed
at small airport in Madras. The aircraft had to be stripped off
its seats etc. for taking off.

Regards
Eddie Verdes
Chinchinim/Mumbai


From: "Philip Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Also, today's edition has a report titled "Plan to build road under Juhu
> aerodrome proposed".
>
> From my perspective the really important point is the following:
>
> " Thirty years ago the AAI handed over its land to BMC to construct the
Juhu
> Tara Road because it felt that Juhu Aerodrome would not be needed in the
> future. Now with the increase in (air) traffic it is being revived. We now
> have plans to shift the smaller operators to Juhu airport."





[Goanet]FOOTBALL for ALL ........

2005-03-21 Thread rene barreto
Goenkars ! 

 I thought , I d share this post from Pat - (  email to me )
and my response.

rene

--

Date:Mon, 21 Mar 2005 00:12:29 -0800 (PST)
From:"rene barreto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
Subject:FOOTBALL for ALL 
To:"P D" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>




000


--- P D <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> <<> Albeit, instead of footballs Goanetters
> should be afforded the opportunity of sending
> equivalent funds preferably through
> >Goanet or The Salesians for needed seed money
> in order to build bridges.
> 
>  JUST DO IT !
> 
> Rene:
> 
> All Goanetters do not visit Goa, only a small
> percentage perhaps :-)
> 
> The rest JUST CAN'T DO IT :(
> 
> So, there has to be a viable alternate for
> those who are not as fortunate to 
> visit Goa.
> 
> Best Wishes:
> 
> Pat de Sousa
> Maryland, USA

 Hi Pat ,
  

 I am glad you wrote , the very fact that you
responded - shows that you have a positive mind
and you want to DO IT , how you do it is
something you and you alone can decide :- ) 

 But lets DO IT !

 You may wish to send a Dollar or two to your
friends in your village - and ask them to buy a
Football , I am sure your friends will send you a
digital pohotograph of 22 smiling children and
one football.

 We do not have to go to the Parliament to get
help :- )We do not need MONEY .We need is 
LOVE , we also need to make the TIME and  
We need to do it ourselves. 

 Thank you very much for your interest..

 May God bless you for your kind thoughts.

  rene 
  London [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  LETS make it Happen.
  







> 
> 
> 


  



[Goanet]Your prerogative

2005-03-21 Thread cornel
Hi Gilbert,
Thanks for your  reply. However, please note that your faith in 
caste/casteism is entirely your prerogative.

Is there any chance you might reply to the two questions I set you and 
reminded you of these about four times?
Regards,
Cornel 




Re: [Goanet]Naming Game 2-Kazar (Wedding)

2005-03-21 Thread Eddie
Thank you Lino Bab,

I have also heard that, when the Dorji (tailor) comes
to the house to stitch the wedding gown/suit...they or neighbours
used to sing some songs...do you or any ganvbhav
know what they are called and where can I find those
words.

Regards
Eddie Verdes
Chinchinchim/KSA
- Original Message - 
Lino dourado" Wrote;

ROS

A day before the wedding the bride and the groom, each
at their respective houses, are made to sit in the
mail hall (salant). Relatives, neighbors are invited
over to apply ros. The ROS is applied to the different
parts of the body. Ros is a farewell to single
life...some believes probably a purification of.

Now read on..or sing Zoti/Vers






[Goanet]Relatives Names in Konkani

2005-03-21 Thread Eddie
Friends,
I have compiled a list of Relatives names in Konkani which are mostly
used in Salcette. Some of these names are taken from the Portugese words.
There may be some mistakesyou may correct or add more.
We also used TI/Man - before the names of  elders (brothers/Sisters or
relatives)
eg. TI -Sar for Sarah, Ti Olind, Man eddie, Man Minglu etc

Azo - Great Grand father
Aji - Great Grand mother
Xapai - Grandfather (Hindus - Dada )
Xamaim - Grandmother ( Daddi )
Pai/Bapui - Father  (Ayi )
Maim/ِAvoi - Mother (Bappa)
Sasu-Pai/Sasro - Father in law
Sasu-Maim/Sas -  Mother in Law
Southe Pai - Step father
Southi Maim - Step mother
Titiu - (uncle) Fathers brother
Timan - (aunt) Fathers sister
Mam - ( uncle) - Mothers Brother
Mammi - (aunt) Mothers brothers wife
Cheddo/Put - Son
Southe-Put - Step son
Cheddum/Dhuv - daughter
Southi-Dhuv - Step daughter
Bhav - Brother
Bhoinn - Sister
Bapul bhav/Mauxe bhav - Cousin..(he)
Bapul Bhoinn/Mauxi bhoinn - Cousin sister
Zamvuim - son in law
Sun - daughter in law
Natu - grandson
Nat/Natulem - grand daughter
Podon/Kumpar/Padrin - Godfather
Modon/Kumar/Madrin - Godmother
Filead - Godchild
Ghov/Poti - husband
Bhail/Potinn - wife
Dher - husbands brother
Uni/vhonnie - brothers wife
Meunno - wifes brother
Meunni - wifes sister
Nonond - husband sister (sister in law)
Saddu - wifes sisters husband
Mana - Elders Sister
Bacho - Nephew
Bachi - Niece
Kuinead - sisters husband
Posko - adopted son
Poskem - adopted daughter
Nouro - bridegroom
Okol - bride
Deddo - best man
Deddi - bridesmaid

Regards
Eddie Verdes
Chinchinim/Mumbai/KSA





Re: [Goanet]RE: Naming Game 2-Kazar (Wedding) Tum Sangxi?

2005-03-21 Thread lino dourado
Lino wrote
 
Maddamchea chutt'ttancho vapor khoimsor zatalo?
 
Can you tell the following
 1- Folli
 2- Tornaboda
 3- Calcada
 4- Mali or Malinn
 5- Alvis

Avelino  wrote:
Lino bab,

 Hanvem zaiti koshish keli tumcho vo proxn somjunk. 
Pun kotta kainch lab mellonk nam.  Upkar korun maka
sang him panch sobd konkni bhaxechim vo firgim
bhaxechim?  Vicharta munn ragar zainaka, karann hanvem
him utram kednanch aikonk nam
***
 Avelino bab,

Tumi 'curusidadin' vichartat mhonn, mhaka 
'istimosanv' dislem.

 1- Folli
The 'kankonnkar' fits bangles on the hands of the
bride are called folli (green back ground with yellow
lines)

 2- Tornaboda
Voklegher Portonnem vo segundo dia 

 3- Calcada
The wedding dress and the other paraphernalia
(bhitorleo mustaki-yeh andar ki bhat hai-)needed by
the bride is sent to her house by the groom with close
relatives or apurbaiechi xezarn.

 4- Mali or Malinn
Aslo called Raibari. Middle person who used to take
the proposal to the groom or the brides's family.

 5- Alvis vo alis (bokxis)



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[Goanet]Re: airfields

2005-03-21 Thread gilbert menezes
Gabriel ,
since you ask, the Juhu strip is longer than the deck of a carrier.
But that was not the point. The suggestion from your friend Phillip
was for Juhu  to serve as substitute for the Navy which is operating
an air station at Goa. You therefore need to look at the huge Navy
infrastructure built up at Goa as well as the types of aircraft being
operated here, most of them being non aircraft carrier types.  Heres
some of the types.
1.Kiran jet trainer
2.Tu-142-long range maritime patrol
3.IL-38- Long Range anti sub warfare
4. Aiforce Jaguar -Maritime strike(periodically)
5. Sea Harrier V/STOL
All these types need extended runaway lengths, including the Harrier Trainer..
Besides, the Navy also operates a variety of helicopters such as the
Seaking ASW, Kamov-28  ASW, Kamov-31 Air Early Warning helos,
Allouettes.
If you knew the basics of VTOL training, you would know that a pilot
needs to be comfortable on a full length runaway, before he
transitions to the very difficult VSTOL mode, used for carrier
launch/recovery..
The Navy possess infrastructure to maintain , service and repair these
aircraft at Goa.  The Navy obviously , also has weapons for these
aircraft at Goa.
Then, out of the blue, comes this nonsensical suggestion about Juhu--
which has nothing on it.  When I last saw it, it was being used as a
staging point for ONGC helicopters used for servicing the oil offshore
installations of Bombay High.  The facility doesnt even belong to the
Ministry Of  Defence.
I hope I havent gone into technicalities.
btw,What *technical* function did you perform for the Brazilian Navy?
How many times did you step on the deck of the carrier *Minas Gerais*?
regards, Gilbert.




> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:09:26 +1100 (EST)
> From: Gabriel de Figueiredo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Goanet]Juhu Aerodrome
> To: goanet@goanet.org
> Reply-To: goanet@goanet.org
> 
> --- Philip Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >  > have forwarded your
> > recommendations to my friend, Admiral Arun Prakash,
> > the Chief Of  the Naval
> > Staff, but Im worried that he may laugh so hard,
> > that he may fall out of his
> > chair. The old single prop Tiger Moths used to
> > barely make it to the end of
> > the runaway during takeoff at Juhu, and you want the
> > Navy to fly fighter
> > aircraft from there! wow!regards, Gilbert.> [March
> > 18]
> >
> 
> I know the remark was put to Philip. But here comes a
> question, dear Gilbert.  Is the Juhu airstrip shorter
> or longer than the runway on an aircraft carrier?
> Just curious...
> 
> P.S. I know that carriers employ steam catapults to
> accelerate aircraft on take-off and arrestors to stop
> them on landing for non-VTOL/STOL types, so please
> don't go into these technicalities.  Note also that I
> worked for a technical department of the Brazilian
> Navy for over 12 years before migrating to Australia.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Gabriel de Figueiredo.
> Melbourne - Australia.
>



[Goanet]Juhu Aerodrome

2005-03-21 Thread Philip Thomas
 [Gabriel de Figueiredo, March 21]

The same thing can be asked about Seabird/Yenkebe and especially Kochi naval
air station! The Navy may be dithering about the former but the latter
should be  practically "plug-and-play"!




[Goanet]FAMILY TREE (KUTTOMBACHEM ZADD!

2005-03-21 Thread domnic fernandes
God created Adam and Eve who gave birth to children and they in turn 
increased and multiplied and filled the world with humanity.  Generally, 
when a man and woman get married, one of their immediate plans is to have a 
child so that their family increases and multiplies.  From thereon, a 
“kuttombachi rompi” (family sapling) is born and it grows and blossoms into 
a full fledged “kuttombachem zadd” (a family tree.)   Family relations are 
expressed differently in different languages.  In this article I shall talk 
about family relationships in Konkani language.

When a man and woman get married, they become “ghov” (husband) and “bhail” 
(wife.)   As children, whenever friends called out our names while we 
played, we would answer:  “OV,” and they would immediately say: “Tuje 
maincho ghov” (your mother’s husband.)

The marriage comes with a package of new relationships.  The “novro” (groom) 
becomes a “zanvuim” (son-in-law) to the “sasumaim” (mother-in-law.) The 
“okol” (bride) becomes a “sun” (daughter-in-law) to the “sasupai vo manv” 
(father-in-law.) While a “sun” and “sasupai” usually share good 
relationship, the same cannot be said about a “sun” and “sasumaim” as the 
former mostly governs the latter and sometimes vice-versa.  No wonder, they 
say: “Ek temp maincho ani ek temp sunencho.” Roughly translated it means 
each dog has its day.  When a mother-in-law and daughter-in-law do not get 
along well, and if the former was known to be a tyrant, the 
neighbors/villagers say:  “Sun atam sasumaincher ghalta un” (daughter-in-law 
now pours hot water on her mother-in-law.)  Sometimes, when a “sun” gets 
involved in extra marital affairs and the in-laws are unaware of the fact, 
the neighbors/villagers say: “Ghoran nokllo maim-manv, bhair zanna sogllo 
ganv.” (the in-laws are in the dark at home but the whole village knows 
what’s going on!)

The new relationship between a groom’s and bride’s parents results into 
an“yei” (husband’s/wife’s father-in-laws) and “yenn” (husband’s/wife’s 
mother-in-laws,) and it extends to “fagurmanv” (father-in-law's brother) and 
“fagurmaim” (mother-in-law's sister.)  In the past, whenever a 
father-in-law/mother-in-law passed away, the “fagurmanv/fagurmaim” took over 
their duties and they were accorded the same respect as that of the 
deceased.  Those daughter-in-laws who refused to accept their 
“fagurmanv/fagurmaim” would say:  “Tum mozo fagurmanv/fagurmaim zanvunk 
tozvit korinaka” (Don’t you try to be my fagurmanv/fagurmaim!)

They say: “kazar zalea uprant, dogam aslelim rokddinch tegam zatat” (once 
you get married, from two you soon become a family of three members) [twins, 
triplets, quadruplets, quintuplets, etc., are exceptional cases.] The new 
third member of the family is called a “ballok” (baby.)  Once the baby is 
born, husband and wife become “bapui ani avoi” (mother and father – 
parents.)  The parents choose a name and christen the child.  They also 
choose a “podon” (godfather) and “modon” (godmother) from among their family 
members or friend’s circle.  Thus, the child becomes “filiad” (godchild) to 
godfather and godmother.  In the olden days, paternal 
grandfather’s/grandmother’s first name was given to a grandchild followed by 
godfather’s/godmother’s name, and the day’s saint’s name; hence, most old 
names comprise of at least three names plus a surname.   Not everyone is 
fortunate to have children and become parents.  Those who are childless, go 
for a “posko” (adopted son) or “poskem” (adopted daughter) and become 
“posko-bapui” (adopted father) and “poski-avoi” (adopted mother.)

The child grows up into a “cheddo” (boy) or “cheddum” (girl,) finishes 
his/her education, gets employed and one fine day he/she too decides to get 
married.  Nowadays, the newly married couple plans lenghty honeymoon trips 
away from home, take things slowly and delay child’s birth.  In the olden 
days, the honeymoon was celebrated at home in a corner of a room on a 
“xendri/mandri” (grass/bamboo mat.)  The newly married couple then did not 
waste time but immediately went for a child.  As a matter of fact, within a 
month the bride would bear good tidings to the whole family and give birth 
to a son/daughter.  Most fathers desire to have a “put” (son) and mothers 
wish to have a “dhuv” (daughter.)  Whenever a son/daughter was born, the 
elderly women would play with him/her and sing: “Alle-le-le-le-le, kiteak 
roddta amcho babulo/bai?  Tuka “bhav”/”bhoinn” (brother/sister) khellonk zai 
kitem?  Roddonaka, maim fuddle vorsa haddteli.  (Alle-le-le-le-le, why are 
you crying baby?  Do you need a brother/sister to play with?  Don’t cry!  
Your mother will get you one next year.)  Thus, within a year a second 
child, brother or sister, would be born.  An elderly sister was known as 
“mana” e.g., “vhoddlem mana” (elder sister,) “dakttem mana” (younger 
sister,) etc.  Once the production began, there was no end to it.   In the 
olden days, parents’ tendency was to have as 

[Goanet]Wedding trap!

2005-03-21 Thread Gabe Menezes
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1534984,00.html
March 21, 2005

The text message that said 'Help, I'm in a wedding trap'
By Stewart Tendler
AHMED, from the Midlands and in his early twenties, went to Pakistan
with his family on what his parents told him was a last chance to see
his ailing grandmother, combined with an opportunity for a holiday.

Although Ahmed knew his parents were unhappy about his girlfriend, he
never thought much of it. But when they arrived in Pakistan the
grandmother proved to be fit and well. Ahmed was sent to do some
chores and when he returned to his relatives' home his family had
vanished and his uncles announced that he could not leave unless he
married a local girl.

His relatives took his passport and kept a close watch on him but
Ahmed used his mobile phone to send text messages to his girlfriend in
Britain. She alerted the Foreign Office, which contacted its consular
officials in Pakistan to mount a rescue.

In one other case the consequences emerged much later. A young
Glaswegian went on holiday with his parents to their birthplace in
Pakistan and was told he had to marry a bride in her twenties whom
they had chosen for him.

Mahmoud, also in his early twenties, already had a girlfriend and
refused to marry, but his mother put pressure on him. He relented and
married. His unsuspecting wife thought the match was an agreed
arranged marriage and only learnt of his reluctance on the flight to
Britain.

There were rows and fights. His parents also turned on her. She now
lives in a refuge.
-- 
Cheers,

Gabe Menezes.
London, England



[Goanet]India politics degraded!

2005-03-21 Thread Gabe Menezes
http://www.keralanext.com/news/indexread.asp?id=157539
 
India ; Politics degraded to political adventurism, arithmetic: Kalam (LEAD) : 
 1 Hour,0 minutes Ago


[India News] New Delhi, In one of his strongest indictments of Indian
politics, President A.P.J. Abdul Kalam Monday lamented that
politicians' greed for power had degraded the system and led it on a
road to "disaster".

At a function where the president conferred awards on Outstanding
Parliamentarians of 2002, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh also bemoaned
the falling standards of debate and conduct.

"When politics degrades itself to political adventurism, the nation
would be on the calamitous road to inevitable disaster and ruination,"
Kalam told a gathering of MPs from both the houses of parliament.



After giving away awards of Outstanding Parliamentarian to Manmohan
Singh, Leader of Opposition L.K. Advani, Human Resource Development
Minister Arjun Singh and Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) MP Jaswant
Singh, Kalam went on to state "bare truths" that he said were facts
but rarely acknowledged.

Without referring to the ugly post-poll manoeuvrings in Bihar and
Jharkhand, where elections threw up hung verdicts, the president
commented that the polling processes had been lately under severe
strain.

"Let us be honest to ourselves. The arithmetical compulsions of
incremental numbers and the alleged tradability of certain legislative
seats, won perhaps through means allegedly dubious and undemocratic,
have many a time created doubts on our democratic system in the public
eye.



"Let us not risk it. It is time all of us did an introspection and
grew up to the expectations that were enshrined so diligently and
optimistically by the founding fathers in our constitution so that
India sustained itself and grew as a mature, healthy, vibrant,
democratic nation."

The deadlock over the race for power in Bihar and Jharkhand and the
turmoil in an equally fractious Goa assembly stalled parliament for
weeks until New Delhi intervened in Jharkhand and central rule was
imposed on Bihar and Goa.

Obviously unhappy about the political bickering, Kalam visualised a
future where parties competed with one another in putting forth their
political vision for development through their manifesto.



"The need for removal of poverty totally, the need for providing
opportunities for all our people in the fiercely competitive and
knowledge-based world and the need for providing security to the
people and nation in the complex world of today, these multiple needs
would lead to the necessity of our graduation from political politics
to developmental politics."

Kalam said that every action of MPs should encourage the 540 million
youth below 25 to see them as role models.

He also outlined national issues that had to be pursued by parliament
beyond party ideologies.

India News] Manmohan Singh also commented that the declining standards
of debate and the general atmosphere in parliament was adding to the
increasingly negative public perception about politics.

"There can be little doubt that the standards of debate and the
general atmosphere within which we carry out our business have, of
late, been declining.

"It is for us to ensure that we set better standards for the future.
For instance, we could be better prepared in parliament and, when in
the house, we could be more willing to listen to each other, even if
we disagree, for that is the essence of democracy."



Without mentioning the weeks of clashes and disruptions in the house
over various issues, Manmohan Singh also urged MPs to introspect
whether they were living up to the standards set by past politicians.

Indo-Asian News Service 



-- 
Cheers,

Gabe Menezes.
London, England



RE: [Goanet]Relatives Names in Konkani

2005-03-21 Thread domnic fernandes
Hi Eddie!
I just posted my article "Family Tree" (Kuttombachem Zadd) on Goanet and 
subsequently received your list of relatives' names in Konkani.  What a 
coincidence!

Moi-mogan,
Domnic Fernandes
Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA
From: Eddie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: goanet@goanet.org
To: Goanet 
Subject: [Goanet]Relatives Names in Konkani
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 13:07:14 +0300
Friends,
I have compiled a list of Relatives names in Konkani which are mostly
used in Salcette. Some of these names are taken from the Portugese words.
There may be some mistakesyou may correct or add more.
We also used TI/Man - before the names of  elders (brothers/Sisters or
relatives)
eg. TI -Sar for Sarah, Ti Olind, Man eddie, Man Minglu etc
Azo - Great Grand father
Aji - Great Grand mother
Xapai - Grandfather (Hindus - Dada )
Xamaim - Grandmother ( Daddi )
Pai/Bapui - Father  (Ayi )
Maim/öAvoi - Mother (Bappa)
Sasu-Pai/Sasro - Father in law
Sasu-Maim/Sas -  Mother in Law
Southe Pai - Step father
Southi Maim - Step mother
Titiu - (uncle) Fathers brother
Timan - (aunt) Fathers sister
Mam - ( uncle) - Mothers Brother
Mammi - (aunt) Mothers brothers wife
Cheddo/Put - Son
Southe-Put - Step son
Cheddum/Dhuv - daughter
Southi-Dhuv - Step daughter
Bhav - Brother
Bhoinn - Sister
Bapul bhav/Mauxe bhav - Cousin..(he)
Bapul Bhoinn/Mauxi bhoinn - Cousin sister
Zamvuim - son in law
Sun - daughter in law
Natu - grandson
Nat/Natulem - grand daughter
Podon/Kumpar/Padrin - Godfather
Modon/Kumar/Madrin - Godmother
Filead - Godchild
Ghov/Poti - husband
Bhail/Potinn - wife
Dher - husbands brother
Uni/vhonnie - brothers wife
Meunno - wifes brother
Meunni - wifes sister
Nonond - husband sister (sister in law)
Saddu - wifes sisters husband
Mana - Elders Sister
Bacho - Nephew
Bachi - Niece
Kuinead - sisters husband
Posko - adopted son
Poskem - adopted daughter
Nouro - bridegroom
Okol - bride
Deddo - best man
Deddi - bridesmaid
Regards
Eddie Verdes
Chinchinim/Mumbai/KSA

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[Goanet]All you Wanted to Know About Liquor Permits But Were Afraid to Ask -Clinton..

2005-03-21 Thread MailinglistClint!
Hi Joe,

My father has been in the liquor business since 1982 and has since,
established himself as a well known liquor distributor in South Goa. We have
an establishment which wholesales liquor all over Goa as well as a retail
outlet below Grace Church by the name of Vaz Enterprises. When making a sale
to customers that are traveling out of state, we always explain the facts
about permits. I would like to clear up a few matters with regard to the
liquor permits.

*There is just 1 type of permit issued and it can be used whichever way you
might travel be it by road or railway. (It's even mentioned on the permit)

*You need a permit even if you carry 1 bottle. You can carry a maximum of 2
bottles on a permit per person. Wine & Beer are exempted.

*Consumption *is* prohibited in all public places all over India for that
matter, but here in Goa, it's a lot more relaxed, and if you know your
limits, a little alcohol is fine. But not when you are traveling!

* Police cannot fine you if you have a permit per person for 2 bottles each.
Speak politely. If they still threaten that they will, take the policeman's
name & badge number, ask for a receipt. Don't part with your permit and
don't let them take advantage of you! Never get off the train, as it only
gets worse. Pay the fine to avoid trouble, but also write a letter to the
Railway police and give details of the incident and you could get justice.

But I will explain in depth:

*1 Permit is issued for upto 2 bottles of Alcohol. (This means all hard
alcohol in 750ml/ 1 Litre bottles except for Wines and Beer). The permit is
a Legal Document issued by the Government of Goa which has an understanding
with a few other states (named below) to legally carry alcohol in unopened
bottles for personal consumption. Nobody has the right to confiscate alcohol
when you have a permit in transit.

*Only 1 Permit is allowed per person, therefore each person can carry 1 or 2
bottles of hard liquor and some more (any number) of wine or beer.

*The permits are required to have the details of the two bottles brand name,
manufacturing date and batch number. These details are filled in by the
retailer and has to be correct.

*In Addition, permits also require the Name & signature of the Person
carrying the liquor, the retailers name & signature, and the destination
state. Now please note, that most Indian states, do not allow liquor to be
carried in, but carried through to another state. Therefore people use this
loophole to carry liquor on permits with them. There are a few places that
you can carry alcohol to, so if ever, an excise inspector asks you for your
permit, you could tell him that you are on your way to that particular
destination. For the North of India its Daman, Rajasthan, Punjab & Jammu &
Kashmir, for the East its Assam and for the South, Orissa. These states
allow the entry of Alcohol on permits.

*Permits have a validity of 10 days from the date of issue & cost Rs. 10 per
permit. This money goes entirely back to the excise department of Goa, and
records are very strictly maintained.

*Checking for permits is usually relaxed on Goa's borders, so not everybody
carries a permit. But if you have to know, it is when you travel by an
interstate bus, that you are most likely to be checked. Trains are rarely
checked, and if you're driving in your own car, you are almost never
stopped. If you're flying, then there's no need for a permit. However, check
with the alcohol quota that your incoming country has. It is usually 1 or 2
bottles of hard liquor and 5-6 of wines & beer.

Have a nice day!

Clinton..

Ps: Yes, Goan Fenny does come under 'Hard Liquor'!!!



[Goanet]Job Opportunities in Ireland

2005-03-21 Thread Carlos
Ireland is looking to India for skills in IT & healthcare
 
TIMES NEWS NETWORK[ MONDAY, MARCH 21, 2005
About a year after the Embassy of Ireland introduced the outsourcing of visa 
operations 
in India to VFS on a pilot basis, the service has been formally launched by 
the Irish 
minister for trade, Mr Michael Ahern, who visited New Delhi recently. 
Applicants from Karnataka, Maharashtra, Gujarat and Goa continue to make their 
applications to the Irish Consulates in Bangalore and Mumbai. 
The big rise in numbers for visa applicants to Ireland in different categories 
like students, 
business, work permits, dependants and tourists has been to a great extent due 
to the 
economic boom in both the countries. 
“The pull factor from Ireland is very strong with a big skills shortage in 
the IT and 
healthcare sectors. Universities in Ireland have always been very well 
recognised and are 
now pitching strongly to attract students from India and we have at least 500-
600 students 
going to study in Ireland every year. The institutions have increased the 
numbers of seats 
for foreign students and are holding education fairs in India to market their 
courses,” 
Bourne said. 
While fees for single entry visas for Ireland are Rs 4,000, multiple entry 
visas, which are 
usually not given to first time travellers, come at Rs 6,400. Working visas 
also come for 
Rs 6400. 
While many applications are decided within two working days others, such as 
those from people intending to work, study or visit Ireland as a tourist, may 
have to be 
referred for decision to the Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform in 
Dublin. 
For these applications, processing time can take 6 weeks. In all cases, 
therefore, 
applicants should apply at least six weeks in advance of the intended date of 
departure for 
Ireland. 
We are looking at bigger numbers of Indian students availing themselves of the 
excellent 
educational institutions in Ireland. Some of the popular international courses 
are in 
management, English language specialisations and medicine. We are looking into 
the 
issue of work permits being given to the students who get a job while they are 
in Ireland 
and a decision could be arrived at within six months,” Ahern said. 
Special arrangements are also in place to facilitate medical practitioners who 
are 
applicants for temporary registration with the medical council, medical, 
health and social 
care professionals who obtain full registration/validation while in Ireland or 
who possess 
the relevant registration/validation and are already in legal employment on a 
valid work 
permit. 
At present the designated categories for skills shortages include: 
• Information and computing technologies professionals 
• Information and computing technologies technicians 
• Architects, including architectural technicians/technologists 
• Construction engineers, including engineering technicians 
• Quantity surveyors and building surveyors 
• Town planners; 
• Medical practitioners 
• Registered nurses 
• Dentists, and 
The following specified professionals in the public health and social care 
sectors, 
including voluntary bodies: 
• Diagnostic or therapeutic 
• Radiographer 
• Audiologist 
• Dietician - social worker
--
Good Luck,
Carlos



[Goanet]re: need Goan Law....by " m.karekar@mtc"

2005-03-21 Thread Joe Lobo
Pretty good ideabut  some innocent  goans  living elsewhere   
in other states of the  Union  .will face  difficulties/ 
backlash..in their  single business dealings  if  tit-for tat action  
occurs. How about goans in Mumbai or Bihar?



[Goanet]Goa cashew farmers beware.

2005-03-21 Thread Gabe Menezes
http://www.webindia123.com/news/showdetails.asp?id=74202&cat=India

Kerala's cashew farmers protest use of "killer pesticide Endosulfan":-
Kochi | March 21, 2005 9:31:03 AM IST
 
Moves by a government-appointed commission to recommend the use of the
pesticide, Endosulfan, in Kerala's cashew plantations have reportedly
angered local doctors and villagers in some parts of the state, who
claim that some of them have suffered severe side effects through its
use.

Commneting on the 12 recommendations of the Mayee Commission, Dr. Y.S.
Mohan Kumar, a local physician with over two decades of medical
experience, said that he himself has treated over 200 patients
suffering from the after effects of endosulfan use. They included
people with psychiatric problems, mental retardation, epilepsy,
congenital anomalies and cancer, he added. He also said that his
patients were spread over a miniscule four square kilometers in about
400 houses.

In its recommendations, the commission, however, said that there is no
link established between the use of Endosulfan in PCK plantations and
health problems as reported in Padre village and thus aerial spraying
of pesticides may be allowed in case of national exigencies after
securing permission of the Central Insecticides Board. It has said
that the application of all pesticides, including Endosulfan is to be
done adhering to regulatory stipulations in force from time to time.

The committee further recommended that the pesticides manufacturers
should take necessary steps to promote and educate sellers and users
to ensure correct and safe use of all pesticides. It said that since
India has adequate pre-registration data requirement and post
registration review processes concerning use of pesticides, it is
recommended that science based responses be made available to all
stake holders and general public by registration authorities.

There is often a huge gap between perception of the risk and actual
scientific risk assessment. This gap is to be filled by proper and
timely propagation of knowledge and information.

It has also recommended to conduct a comprehensive, well designed and
detailed health and epidemiological study in the entire cashew
plantation areas of Kerala to ascertain the incidences of diseases in
Padre vis-a vis other relevant locations in Kerala State to
investigate and if possible pin-point the probable factor that are
responsible for alleged health problems at Padre.

The committee further concludes that the use of Endosulfan is not
clearly linked to the alleged health problems in Kasargod district of
Kerala. However, considering the apprehensions in the minds of the
public in Kerala, the Committee recommends that it would be better if
use of Endosulfan is kept on held in Kerala.Finally, in what resulted
in a strong reaction from the villagers and victims, the committee has
said that after considering all above factors and available reports,
it is recommended that use of Endosulfan be continued as per
provisions of Insecticides Act, 1968.

But on the other hand, the farmers of the areas are up in arms against
the recommendations. For over 25 years, the villages near the cashew
plantations in Kasargod district, Kerala, have been devastated by an
unusually large number of cancer deaths, neurological disorders and
different kinds of physical and mental impairment.

Reports in the media and studies done in the area indicate a strong
link between the spraying of a pesticide called Endosulfan and the
deteriorating health of the local people.

Most of the families who live here are small farmers or farm
labourers. There is no large industry fuelling the local economy
except the areca plantations.

The Plantation Corporation of Kerala (PCK) has been cultivating cashew
in 4500 hectares spread across this district.

Since the early 1980s, the PCK has been aerially spraying an
organochlorine pesticide called Endosulfan that has been banned in
many countries including Singapore, Denmark, Germany, Holland and
Sweden.

Recently, various reports in the media as well as studies done by
institutions like the Centre for Science and Environment (CSE), New
Delhi have indicated a strong link between the aerial spraying of
Endosulfan and the number of deaths and illnesses in the area.

Later, it led to massive protests and criticisms against the PCK,
which ultimately forced the Kerala government to ban the pesticide.

Dr Mohan Kumar and environmentalist Sri Padre were the first among
others to show to the world the terrible impact of the spraying of
pesticide -Endosulfan by the Plantation Corporation of Kerala (PCK),
to get high yield in cashew crop in various plantation areas of
Swarga, Vani Nagar, Enmakaje and Belloor among other areas in the
district.

Laboratory analysis conducted by the Centre for Science and
Environment (CSE), New Delhi, revealed that all samples collected from
the village contained very high levels of the pesticide that has
ironically been either banned or restri

Re: [Goanet]All you Wanted to Know About Liquor Permits But Were Afraid to Ask -Clinton..

2005-03-21 Thread Gabe Menezes
On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 07:24:19 -0500, MailinglistClint!
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Joe,
> 
> My father has been in the liquor business since 1982 and has since,
> established himself as a well known liquor distributor in South Goa. We have
> an establishment which wholesales liquor all over Goa as well as a retail
> outlet below Grace Church by the name of Vaz Enterprises. When making a sale
> to customers that are traveling out of state, we always explain the facts
> about permits. I would like to clear up a few matters with regard to the
> liquor permits.
> 
> *There is just 1 type of permit issued and it can be used whichever way you
> might travel be it by road or railway. (It's even mentioned on the permit)
> 
> *You need a permit even if you carry 1 bottle. You can carry a maximum of 2
> bottles on a permit per person. Wine & Beer are exempted.


RESPONSE: In 1974 I had obtained a permit and it stated that the
amount permitted was 2 Quarts. I was searched, I was carrying 4
bottles. I refused to get off the Bus, travelling from Goa to Bombay
and insisted one quart was two pints -( two bottles). The policeman
insisted that it meant a quarter bottle.

In the end I stood my ground and carried away my prize.

cheers

Gabe Menezes.
London England.



[Goanet]Re: airfields

2005-03-21 Thread Salus Correia
Gilbert,
Your mails do make interesting reading, and with your naval background 
etc its nice to learn a few things now and then.  Refering to your 
response to Gabriel, I had in the past gathered from the various posts 
on Dabolim, that the airport in question was somehow usurped off the 
people of Goa.  And now in your post you make mention that "The facility 
(Juhu) doesnt even belong to the Ministry of Defence"  The question here 
is, does Dabolim 'belong' to the Navy?

In order for Dabolim airport to 'belong' to the Navy, it has to be 
bought from, won over or gifted off by its rightful owners.  By any 
chance, has that ever happened, and at what price?  And if it has, where 
does the question of the Navy leaving Dabolim arise from? 

Just curious!
Salus

Message: 9
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:34:50 +0530
From: gilbert menezes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: goanet@goanet.org
Subject: [Goanet]Re: airfields
Reply-To: goanet@goanet.org

Gabriel ,
since you ask, the Juhu strip is longer than the deck of a carrier.
But that was not the point. The suggestion from your friend Phillip
was for Juhu  to serve as substitute for the Navy which is operating
an air station at Goa. You therefore need to look at the huge Navy
infrastructure built up at Goa as well as the types of aircraft >being
operated here, most of them being non aircraft carrier types.  Heres
some of the types.
1.Kiran jet trainer
2.Tu-142-long range maritime patrol
3.IL-38- Long Range anti sub warfare
4. Aiforce Jaguar -Maritime strike(periodically)
5. Sea Harrier V/STOL
All these types need extended runaway lengths, including the Harrier >Trainer..
Besides, the Navy also operates a variety of helicopters such as the
Seaking ASW, Kamov-28  ASW, Kamov-31 Air Early Warning helos,
Allouettes.
If you knew the basics of VTOL training, you would know that a pilot
needs to be comfortable on a full length runaway, before he
transitions to the very difficult VSTOL mode, used for carrier
launch/recovery..
The Navy possess infrastructure to maintain , service and repair >these
aircraft at Goa.  The Navy obviously , also has weapons for these
aircraft at Goa.
Then, out of the blue, comes this nonsensical suggestion about >Juhu--
which has nothing on it.  When I last saw it, it was being used as a
staging point for ONGC helicopters used for servicing the oil >offshore
installations of Bombay High.  The facility doesnt even belong to >the
Ministry Of  Defence.
I hope I havent gone into technicalities.
btw,What *technical* function did you perform for the Brazilian >Navy?
How many times did you step on the deck of the carrier *Minas >Gerais*?
regards, Gilbert.




[Goanet]Re:Relatives Names in Konkani

2005-03-21 Thread Edward Verdes
Domnic Bab,
What a coincidence :)

Here you have it all in your 'Family Tree' an article which every Goan
should read
about Relatives Names in Konkani.

Indeed times have changed and one hardly hears these names...every member is
addressed as Uncle or Auntie.now days even own children call their
parents
with their names.

Thank you

Cheers
Eddie Verdes
Chinchinim/Mumbai/Jeddah

From: "domnic fernandes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


Hi Eddie!

I just posted my article "Family Tree" (Kuttombachem Zadd) on Goanet and
subsequently received your list of relatives' names in Konkani.  What a
coincidence!

Moi-mogan,
Domnic Fernandes
Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA

>




RE: [Goanet]Relatives Names in Konkani

2005-03-21 Thread Nagesh Bhatcar
Eddie,
You have brought about the beauty of Konkani language in
being able to describe every relationship with a single word.
That does not happen in English.
At least some of the names are not used by Hindus.
You said...
Azo - Great Grand father
Aji - Great Grand mother
Xapai - Grandfather (Hindus - Dada )
Xamaim - Grandmother ( Daddi )
For us, Ajo is Grandfather and Ponjo is Greatgrandfather.
Similalry, Aji is Grandmother and Ponji is Greatgrandmother.
I think that there is Shenjo and Shenji too --( Great Great )
We in Goa, do not use the Dada, Dadi.
Titiu - (uncle) Fathers brother
Timan - (aunt) Fathers sister
For Hindus, it is Kaka and Kaki, respectively.
Bapul bhav/Mauxe bhav - Cousin..(he)
Bapul Bhoinn/Mauxi bhoinn - Cousin sister
Although both are cousins, Bapul Bhav is the son of your father's brother
while Mauxe bhav is the son of your mother's sister. Similarly for the 
women,
Bapul bhoinn is your father's brother's daughter and the Mauxi Bhoinn is
the daughter of your mother's sister.

Then there is Mamey bhav/bhoin -- Mother's brother's son/daughter
  Atey bhav/bhoin -- Father's sister's son/daughter
Nagesh Bhatcar
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

From: Eddie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: goanet@goanet.org
To: Goanet 
Subject: [Goanet]Relatives Names in Konkani
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 13:07:14 +0300
Friends,
I have compiled a list of Relatives names in Konkani which are mostly
used in Salcette. Some of these names are taken from the Portugese words.
There may be some mistakesyou may correct or add more.
We also used TI/Man - before the names of  elders (brothers/Sisters or
relatives)
eg. TI -Sar for Sarah, Ti Olind, Man eddie, Man Minglu etc
Azo - Great Grand father
Aji - Great Grand mother
<<<>
Regards
Eddie Verdes
Chinchinim/Mumbai/KSA




[Goanet]Centre for Latin American Studies, Goa University (long)

2005-03-21 Thread Prof V Shivkumar
[MODERATOR'S NOTE: This post has been trimmed for length.]

Please find enclosed Overview of our Centre, which I had been able to
accomplish in the last decade or so.  I would like the Goan students to take
advantage of the academic programes offered by the Centre.

BACKGROUND Established in the year 1988, the Centre for Latin American
Studies (CLAS) at Goa University conducts university-based programme devoted
to the study of Latin America and the Caribbean, combining research,
teaching, publishing and public extension activities, funded by the
University Grants Commission( UGC ) of India, after securing clearance from
the Department of Education, Government of Goa.  Considering the necessity
to sensitise the students to the current affairs, and realizing the fact
that we have to prepare our students for the challenges of the new era of
globalisation and liberalization, the Centre had launched an MA course in
International Studies in the year 2002.  It is hoped that an exposure to
International Affairs would help the students to prepare themselves for
civil service and other competitive examinations and encourage them may take
up research activities, such as M. Phil and Ph. D. offered by the Centre. 

One of our Ph. D. fellows secured Fulbright Fellowship in the area of
International relations for the academic year 2004 05. We are also making
efforts to sign MOU with the center for naval defense and we have already
have an MOU in place with the Centre for Japanese and Chinese studies and
the center for Indian ocean studies, one at Delhi and the other at
Hyderabad.

AIMS AND OBJECTIVES

The objectives of the Centre have been to undertake studies and research on
contemporary Latin American and international affairs.  The academic
emphasis of the Centre is on interdisciplinary approach in understanding
contemporary issues and their impact on the developed and the developing
societies alike.

The Centre has an Advisory Committee in accordance to the UGC guidelines. 
The documentation cell has identified available source material in Indian
libraries on the major themes on Latin America and International Relations.

It is also planned that the Centre will undertake research projects funded
by government and other agencies. As part of our objectives to provide a
consultancy, the Centre has already completed a project given by the
Ministry of External Affairs ( MEA), Government of India and submitted the
report on aspects related to Indo-Latin American relations.  The Centre also
had brought out publications of its seminar papers and speeches of Indian
ambassador.  The Centre plans to bring out publications of the project work
done by the Post Graduate students as well.

The Centre with the objective of promoting academic interests in the field
of International affairs and Latin America had started an inter-disciplinary
post Graduate course in International Studies and has an ongoing programme
of M.phil and Ph.D in Latin American and International studies.  The details
of our various programmes are given in this overview to help the students
who are wanting to get admitted to some of our courses.

Job Opportunities

It is of concern for all of us that our youngsters after leaving the portals
of our University must be gainfully employed.  This calls for two pronged
actions, one to improve the quality of imparting the knowledge, second to be
innovative and taking up issues of contemporary in nature.  The Centres
academic programme have evolved courses which would prepare the students to
improve their knowledge in contemporary international affairs and also to
create an awareness about Latin America and the Caribbean region .In recent
years, unlike in the past our trade with that region had increased more than
five folds. Our trade with that region had registered 1.7 billion US $ in
2003 and likely to touch nearly 2 billion by 2004-5.Many Indian Industries
like Ranbaxy, Reddys Lab, TCS, Aurobindo pharma, Satyam computers have all
entered in to LAC markets. So much so they are all looking for persons with
the academic knowledge in the field.  We do hope our students would secure
gainful employment if they work hard and prove their expertise.  It must be
however admitted that the Centre had been suffering from the lack of
adequate permanent teaching staff, but this is being compensated by inviting
qualified Visiting faculty to lecture to our students.  We do hope that
students would prefer the course being offered by the Centre and enroll in
substantial numbers in the academic year 2005-6.The students after
completing their MA in International Studies can appear for competitive
examinations like Civil Services Examinations and also take up to research
work apply for overseas scholarships.

FACULTY: Teaching

Dr. V. Shivkumar, Professor & Director, has considerable experience as a
teacher, scholar and administrator.

Dr. Dalbir Singh, Lecturer, has done his M.Phil. and Ph.D. from the School
of International Studies, Ja

[Goanet]"Tackling bullying at work",

2005-03-21 Thread rene barreto
0
May interest some of you.

rene
00


CIPD urge employers to take action !!


The majority of employers (83%) have an anti-bullying policy in place. But
still managing conflict at work, which includes bullying, costs the average
employer nearly 450 days of management time every year plus the additional
costs such as lost productivity, sickness absence and higher than expected
turnover of employees. The Chartered Institute of Personnel and Development
(CIPD), the professional body for all those involved in people management
and development, have launched a new guide to help employers tackle bullying
and other undesirable behaviours within the workplace.


The guide, "Tackling bullying at work", offers alternative ways to tackle
the difficult issues surrounding bullying at work and suggests how to
implement an effective policy. Bullying within the workplace costs employers
time and money. It is not something that can be ignored as research shows
that exposure to bullying can cause the same range of symptoms as
post-traumatic stress following events such as armed raids and in some cases
the threat of death.


Imogen Haslam, CIPD Professional Adviser, encourages employers to take a new
approach to the way they deal with bullying: "Employers should work with
staff to create a dignity at work policy . and to provide training to all
managers . to help them recognise the signs of bullying . and take action to
encourage people to recognise and change their behaviour before situations
escalate.

"... often bullies are unaware of the negative impact their actions may
have. Investing time and money in training line managers will help change
mindsets making it easier to move away from the traditional boss versus
employee scenario, by raising awareness of alternative, more effective,
styles concentrating on motivating staff through engaging their commitment
and trust. This will help reduce conflict within the workplace and deliver
benefits to the business by improving performance, improving the working
environment, helping to retain staff and reducing absence rates, especially
that caused by stress-related illness."

For further information see www.tuc.org.uk
and www.cipd.co.uk.

0




[Goanet]Dear Gabriel re: Juhu Aerodrome, Rats et al

2005-03-21 Thread jose colaco

[Gabriel de Figueiredo, March 21]

Dear Gabriel,
I have been following the Phillip Thomas, Gilbert Menezes and your 
conversation about Dabolim et al

Must say that Prof Thomas makes a lot of sense.
Gilbert's presentation of thought  is on par with Mario's
As one who understands not much about technicalities, My questions are 
pretty basic :


If Dabolim was a civilian airport pre-1961 - it obviously belonged to the 
people of Goa.

So, WHEN were the people of Goa asked IF that airport could be "borrowed"? 
or was a "middle of the might" a la META and Konkan Railway done with 
Dabolim too?

What benefit do Goans get from the Dabolim base?
How many Goans are employed at the Dabolim base? (even as cooks and butlers)
As Gilbert has the opportunity to "visit" with the hospitality at Dabolim, 
he might have noticed IF any goans were employed at Dabolim (even as cooks 
and butlers)

Then comes a personal query:
If the people at risk (in the Armada) get special privileges eg Tax Free 
this and that, WHY NOT the following

1. Doctors, Nurses and other Hospital workers who face dangerous viruses and 
bacteria everyday and every night.

2. Those who live next to Polluting industries.
3. Bus Drivers, their passengers,  and other users of the roads.
4. Photographers who work for the Gomantak
etc
Finally, is it OK for a Pest Control person to come to a house in (say) 
Divar - to get rid of the RATS who were running riot in that house in Divar, 
get rid of the RATS, and then decide that AS they got rid of the RATS, they 
now have possession of the Kitchen in that house?

I ask because I know not the answer
jc
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[Goanet]An email address for every Goan ! we begin with Goans in the UK.

2005-03-21 Thread rene barreto


000



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This year, the judges will once again be looking for innovation and impact.
So, think creatively about how your organisation can harness the power of
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Re: [Goanet]RE: Cornel exposed!

2005-03-21 Thread Mario Goveia
Hey, Avelino,

It's time to wake up.  I thought I was being very
creative in figuring out your Sherlock Holmes-style
conclusion that Cornel was a bigot and an opportunist
with a sinister plan to dominate society through
education and intelligence.  What a dastardly idea! 
How did I miss it earlier?

I am obviously pulling your leg (Mea culpa), but you
asked for it, bro.  First you waded into a serious
discussion without preparation or conviction, facts or
logic, and then tried to brazen your way through with
bluster and irritability.  For us, that's like pouring
water on a duck's back.

At the risk of repeating myself, please go to the
nearest Catholic library and read the article "'Dalit"
means broken" in the February 14, 2005 issue of
America magazine, published by the Jesuits.  The
article may rouse you from your boredom and ennui, and
shine a light on your understanding of the problem,
which is what you claim to want.  Once you have read
this article, written by a Jesuit priest, not
co-conspiracists like Cornel or me, please come back,
fully awake, and let us know what you think.


--- "D'Souza, Avelino" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey Mario,
> 
> Stop! It's boring! Same old stuff! Be creative,
> don't embarrass your self!  'yawn' Z...
> 
> 
> Avelino
> Bastora/Kuwait
> 
> __
> 
> Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Cornel, I should have realized that you are leading
> a
> sinister conspiracy to replace caste with education
> and intelligence.  What could be worse?  Shame on
> you,
> and thanks to Avelino for exposing you as a bigot
> and
> opportunist!
> 
> 
> 



RE: [Goanet]Relatives Names in Konkani

2005-03-21 Thread Alfred de Tavares
OBS: "Father" is "Bappa" and "Mother" is "Ayi"
From: Eddie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: goanet@goanet.org
To: Goanet 
Subject: [Goanet]Relatives Names in Konkani
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 13:07:14 +0300
Friends,
I have compiled a list of Relatives names in Konkani which are mostly
used in Salcette. Some of these names are taken from the Portugese words.
There may be some mistakesyou may correct or add more.
We also used TI/Man - before the names of  elders (brothers/Sisters or
relatives)
eg. TI -Sar for Sarah, Ti Olind, Man eddie, Man Minglu etc
Azo - Great Grand father
Aji - Great Grand mother
Xapai - Grandfather (Hindus - Dada )
Xamaim - Grandmother ( Daddi )
Pai/Bapui - Father  (Ayi )
Maim/öAvoi - Mother (Bappa)
Sasu-Pai/Sasro - Father in law
Sasu-Maim/Sas -  Mother in Law
Southe Pai - Step father
Southi Maim - Step mother
Titiu - (uncle) Fathers brother
Timan - (aunt) Fathers sister
Mam - ( uncle) - Mothers Brother
Mammi - (aunt) Mothers brothers wife
Cheddo/Put - Son
Southe-Put - Step son
Cheddum/Dhuv - daughter
Southi-Dhuv - Step daughter
Bhav - Brother
Bhoinn - Sister
Bapul bhav/Mauxe bhav - Cousin..(he)
Bapul Bhoinn/Mauxi bhoinn - Cousin sister
Zamvuim - son in law
Sun - daughter in law
Natu - grandson
Nat/Natulem - grand daughter
Podon/Kumpar/Padrin - Godfather
Modon/Kumar/Madrin - Godmother
Filead - Godchild
Ghov/Poti - husband
Bhail/Potinn - wife
Dher - husbands brother
Uni/vhonnie - brothers wife
Meunno - wifes brother
Meunni - wifes sister
Nonond - husband sister (sister in law)
Saddu - wifes sisters husband
Mana - Elders Sister
Bacho - Nephew
Bachi - Niece
Kuinead - sisters husband
Posko - adopted son
Poskem - adopted daughter
Nouro - bridegroom
Okol - bride
Deddo - best man
Deddi - bridesmaid
Regards
Eddie Verdes
Chinchinim/Mumbai/KSA

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[Goanet]Modi. US of A stands by decision

2005-03-21 Thread Gabe Menezes
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4368501.stm

US stands by India visa decision
BJP activists protest against the US
The decision has angered Mr Modi's supporters
The United States has reaffirmed a decision to refuse the
controversial Indian politician, Narendra Modi, permission to enter
the country.

India had pressed Washington to reconsider its decision to cancel Mr
Modi's visa on the grounds that he had allegedly violated religious
freedom.

The move has been strongly criticised by India's government and opposition.

Mr Modi, the chief minister of Gujarat state, has been criticised for
his handling of Hindu-Muslim riots in 2002.

'Violations of religious freedom'

On Monday, US ambassador to India David Mulford said the decision to
deny Mr Modi entry into America was based on US law, which made any
foreign government official "responsible for severe violations of
religious freedom" ineligible for a visa.

In a statement, Mr Mulford said that, as head of the Gujarat
government at the time of the riots, Mr Modi was responsible for the
performance of state institutions at the time.


India] does not find this decision by the United State in keeping with
the objectives that India and United States share as democratic
countries,
Indian spokesman

Profile: Narendra Modi

The ambassador quoted US state department reports on the Gujarat
violence which cited India's National Human Rights Commission in
concluding that during the riots there was "a comprehensive failure on
the part of the state government to control the persistent violation
of rights of life, liberty, equality, and dignity of the people of the
state".

India was swift to criticise Mr Mulford's remarks and said the US
position was based on "selective judgement".

"While it is the sovereign right of a country to grant or deny visas,
[India] does not find this decision by the United States in keeping
with the objectives that India and United States share as democratic
countries," a foreign ministry statement said.

Diplomatic row

Last Friday the US revoked Mr Modi's 'tourist/business' visa and also
turned down Mr Modi's request for a diplomatic visa.

The move was condemned by the Indian government as well as the main
opposition Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) to which Mr
Modi belongs.
Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi
Mr Modi has been criticised over his handling of the 2002 riots
An Indian foreign ministry spokesman said the move displayed a "lack
of courtesy and sensitivity towards a constitutionally-elected chief
minister".

However, the largest US Muslim civil liberties group welcomed the US decision.

Last week, two US congressmen introduced a resolution in the US House
of Representatives criticising Mr Modi's conduct during the 2002
Gujarat riots.

Congressmen John Conyers and Joe Pitts accused Mr Modi of carrying out
religious persecution against Muslims, Christians and indigenous
tribals.

The Gujarat chief minister was due to speak at several events
organised by the Indian community in the US.

On Sunday he addressed a community event in New York's Madison Square
Garden via videophone.

Many speakers at the event criticised the move to deny him entry into
the United States.

More than 1,000 people, mostly Muslims, died in religious riots in
Gujarat in 2002.


Cheers,

Gabe Menezes.
London, England



[Goanet]KONKANI FOLK AND TRADIONAL SONGS

2005-03-21 Thread A. Veronica Fernandes
KONKANI FOLK AND TRADIONAL SONGS
Folk songs and traditional songs of any community are very important for 
uniting the community members together.  Goan Konkani traditional songs such 
as Mandos and Dulpods are very souls of our community and it is this 
particular aspect of our songs that keep us together and united.  For 451 
years Portuguese ruled over Goa and from them the top elite Goan Christians 
that is Brahmins and Bhatkars acquired everything Portuguese and integrated 
themselves with Portuguese. However, when their cultural and traditional 
aspects came they failed to integrate with Portuguese.  During their 
functions these top elite classes of Goans used everything Portuguese except 
traditional and folk songs, which they sang in Konkani. During their 
functions they used Konkani Mandos and Dulpods, which came to their tongues 
just like natural fountain.  And it is these traditional songs and folk 
songs that brought them back to their roots, closer to their other brothers 
and sisters.  While they were singing these songs they were associated in 
singing by their cooks, ayahs and other servants who also were well 
conversant in these traditional songs even though their servants did not 
know Portuguese.  This shows how a Goan would join with other Goan when he 
sings his traditional songs.  These songs unite us and united us because 
everyone of our community member knows them.  For any function of us when 
one person starts a Mando or Dulpod, all the remaining persons also sing 
along because they are the same for everyone and in such a way we show our 
oneness.  But recently, due to copying and remixing many of our traditional 
songs like Mandos and Dulpods are changed as per the likings of the singers 
and producers of the songs.  These days lot of Audio Cassettes is released 
by the singers, producers and music directors where lot of changes are made 
in the wordings and tunes of the original songs.  When this is done then 
there is a deviation from original song.  Those who are well conversant in 
original lyrics and tune of any such altered and remixed song will get lost 
while the same song is rendered according to the remixed one.  In such a 
situation there is going to be a clash, which will split us, and thus 
instead of unifying us thru traditional and folk songs we will get away from 
each other.

For example, in one of the cassettes Young Chico sings one of the most 
sought after traditional song of Champion Alvares “Istimacao Rozachem” which 
is much mutilated and changed from the original one as composed and sung by 
original singer Champion Alvares.  This song is already created a niche for 
itself as one of the traditional ones of our community.  It was not new but 
very old and precisely because of its age it is clubbed into traditional 
category.  Champion Alvares recorded it at Emissora de Goa about 50 years 
ago and in it he immortalized the name of his native village Saligao by the 
following words:

Sobit Rosa tujem navum,
SALIGAO Sat letrancho tuzo ganvu,
Etc.
In the remix form these words and some more words are missing.  What would 
be his reaction now if he had to know this mutilation in his beautiful song? 
 Champion Alvares was a very good composer and day and night his in his 
mind only songs and good songs were running.  When I used to speak to him as 
a young boy he was releasing thru his mouth nothing but songs and songs 
only.  He was a simple man but great in heart and mind.  This is not the 
only case; even Cruz Noronha’s Mando “Angovnn” also mutilated the way the 
singer liked.  In this Mando Cruz Noronha immortalized his native village 
Siolim and the Patron Saint St. Anton by the following words:

SIOLE Santa Antonichea mazar,
Bhas ami diloli zauncheak kazar,
Etc.
In the remixed Mando, instead of SIOLE you find TERAKOL which means original 
is robbed and in its place producer implanted the name of his native place 
Terakol.  Not only this, even many other lines from the original Mando are 
changed.  This Mando is very old, about 60 – 70 years old and it is already 
gone into the category of traditional one.  Those who sing it as traditional 
they will use the word Siole and not Terakol and those who sing it from 
remixed one they will use the word Terakol.  In this way again we will have 
clash and split.  These types of clashes will also split us as a community 
and instead of unifying us it will separate us.  Folk songs and traditional 
songs make us one with other members of our community because everyone uses 
the same text and same tune. These songs brought us together, these songs 
brought Bhatkars and Mundkars together, these songs created a fusion between 
Brahmins and non Brahmins and between rich and poor.  The essence of 
unifying us thru our folk and traditional songs will get lost thru the 
defective remixing of our old songs.  I feel those who are remixing old and 
traditional songs should try to maintain the originality. They should not 

[Goanet]Re: Modi. US of A stands by decision

2005-03-21 Thread Gabe Menezes
On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:08:04 +, Gabe Menezes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4368501.stm
> 
> US stands by India visa decision
> BJP activists protest against the US
> The decision has angered Mr Modi's supporters
> The United States has reaffirmed a decision to refuse the
> controversial Indian politician, Narendra Modi, permission to enter
> the country.
.
> On Sunday he addressed a community event in New
York's Madison Square
> Garden via videophone.
> 
> Many speakers at the event criticised the move to deny him entry into
> the United States.


Comment, Those speakers as well the as the supporters should show
their disgust with the US of A - return back to India at once! Modi
will welcome them with a big fanfare.


> Cheers,
> 
> Gabe Menezes.
> London, England
> 


-- 
Cheers,

Gabe Menezes.
London, England



[Goanet]Insurance; look before you leap.

2005-03-21 Thread Gabe Menezes
http://in.rediff.com/money/2005/mar/21perfin1.htm
5 MUSTs to look for in an insurance co

March 21, 2005 10:03 IST

Ever since the floodgates to the life insurance sector were thrown
open to the private sector, there have been a plethora of insurance
plans for individuals.

Individuals have been spoilt for choice. On last count, 13 life
insurance companies were competing for business, the LIC included.

But the million-dollar question is: what are the parameters on which
an individual can evaluate an insurance company before finally taking
the plunge and buying life insurance from that company?

Here, we have laid down a few guidelines on how to evaluate a life
insurance company.

1. History/track record of the insurance company

It's important that the insurance company, with whom you are about to
enter into a contract for the next 25 years or so, has a sound track
record behind it. It would also help a great deal if the said company
has had some experience in the financial services/ asset management
business; especially so, if it has dealt with customers at the retail
level.

That way, the company would have a better understanding of the pulse
of the retail investor. It would also be easier for an individual to
evaluate the historical performance of the company before making a
selection.

2. Expertise of the tie-up partner (foreign)

Historically, in the Indian context, life insurance always meant the
Life Insurance Corporation (LIC). As a result, post-privatisation,
none of the new insurance companies had the expertise to carry on the
business of life insurance without the aid of an experienced partner.

This led to the arrival of the foreign partner on the scene. This was
understandable since insurance products are quite complicated and
therefore difficult to design. The foreign partner brings significant
value to the table in terms of setting up the correct systems,
processes and service standards.

Besides, the tie-up also helps in customising the product range as the
foreign partner already has vast experience in product design.

While evaluating a foreign partner, consider its experience in the
life insurance business, its track record in paying out bonuses and
its credit rating by an international credit-rating agency.

3. Quality of the insurance agents/advisors and service standards

The insurance agent is the interface between a company and the
individual. It is here, therefore, that the quality of screening of
the agents before recruiting them and the training imparted to the
company's agents comes to the fore.

Often in their bid to expand aggressively, insurance companies do not
screen agents judiciously, which gives way to unethical practices in
the system. Should you come across an unprofessional and unethical
insurance agent, you can reconsider taking insurance from that
company.

To some it may seem unfair to punish the insurer because of its
agents, but we believe an insurance company needs to do its due
diligence before enrolling agents.

An insurance agent is the 'ambassador' of the company, and if the
company is not too concerned about the image its insurance agent is
creating in the minds of individuals, then you can very well imagine
its standards of service and ethics.

Service standards are important for another reason. The company should
have processes in place in case of issues like policy servicing
(especially in case of agents quitting), transparency, and providing
customised solutions to individuals.

Service quality standards are also highlighted in case of claims
disbursement; do individuals face any problems in claim disbursement,
is claim disbursal prompt?

It is always advisable to ask the insurance agent about the track
record of the company with respect to claims and ask for proof if need
be.

4. Management style, underwriting norms

The management of any company is crucial for it decides on the
long-term policies to be adopted by the company. This plays a key role
in terms of the company's outlook and its style of functioning.

This is also reflected in what kind of underwriting norms the company
follows. For example, some insurance companies are very aggressive in
their approach towards garnering business; i.e. for them, the quantity
of business generated is more important than the quality of lives
insured.

This might impair the company's business in the near future, if many
claims were to arise. Claims have an impact on profits and therefore,
bonus declarations.

The more the claims, the lesser the company's profits; the lesser the
profits, the lesser the bonus that can be declared.

5. Prudent and sound financial management
Sound financial management should be an important consideration while
selecting an insurance company. The kind of returns an insurance
company can generate is a direct result of how well it manages its
finances.

Prudence can be gauged with the help of various parameters like good
underwriting norms, low management and administration expenses 

Re: [Goanet]"This heated debate about nothing..."

2005-03-21 Thread Marlon Menezes
Cornel,

I dont recall bringing "god" into discussion of caste.
Quite possibly, "god" is yet another man made
construct like caste.

I stand by my opinion that the issue of caste is very
less relevant to people of my generation than perhaps
yours. Having lived and studied in India for many
years and having continued to have interaction with my
peers and family members from India - both in America
and in India, the issue of caste has rarely ever come
up. Well, there was one instance when a young
programmer who added a parameter of caste in a search
variable for some work he was doing for me. However
that was more the result of him blindly copying ideas
from another sources instead of it originating from
himself. Other than that, the issue of caste has never
been brought up with any of my peers or family
members. To us therefore, caste is an almost alien,
hypothetical/historical concept that was studied about
in school.

Looking at the broader scale of Indian society, there
is no denying that it still plays an important, but
again a diminishing role there. In India's large
cities, the close physical proximity, size, density
and greater levels of anonymity have forced factors
such as caste to become a less significant parameter.
However India still remains a largely agrarian society
so it will be a while before the issue of caste dies
away.

The roots of the caste system lies not in power
politics or the desire of man to oppress others, as
you say. Rather it was the evolution of job
stratification (or division of labor) and lack of
skills transfer between various groups of workers,
that resulted in particular classes and skills of jobs
remaining within particular groups or families of
people. This lack of job mobility was either
intentional (certain groups jealously retaining their
"job secrets" as corporations now do) as well as
logical;  ala transfer of skills from one family
member to another. This was all compounded by the lack
of formal educational opportunties that would have
encouraged the exchange of ideas and techniques and
thus enhanced crossing the family job title barrier. 

It is only over time that these logical divisions of
convenience became hard coded into society's fabric
and evolved into its illogical and intolerant form we
see today.

Marlon
--- cornel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Marlon,
> I am just catching up with some old posts and
> couldn't let one of yours pass 
> without a brief comment.
> I disagree with you profoundly that, the debate
> about caste is a heated 
> debate about nothing. You may indeed wish this were
> true and take solace in 
> such a hope. I say this because, I am pretty certain
> that I am right, but 
> without checking into the Archives, that  about
> two/three years ago, you 
> opined that God would have put people into upper and
> lower castes. I had 
> replied to you in that instance but it did not
> appear on Goanet, perhaps 
> because I had pressed a wrong key on my then dodgy
> computer. However, what I 
> had said then, is that you were right and that the
> God you referred to was 
> called MAN. This is because caste is entirely a
> social construct like so 
> many other constructs. These are created by man to
> oppress others and in 
> turn, they can be  eliminated even if it takes time.
> 




Re: [Goanet]Modi. US of A stands by decision

2005-03-21 Thread Mario Goveia
Gabe Menezes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4368501.stm

US stands by India visa decision
BJP activists protest against the US
The decision has angered Mr Modi's supporters
The United States has reaffirmed a decision to refuse
the controversial Indian politician, Narendra Modi,
permission to enter the country.

India had pressed Washington to reconsider its
decision to cancel Mr Modi's visa on the grounds that
he had allegedly violated religious freedom.

The move has been strongly criticised by India's
government and opposition.

Mario replies:
Good for the USA.  Shame on the AAHOA (Asian American
Hotel Owner's Association) for inviting Modi to be
their keynote speaker.  Couldn't they have found
another Gujarati speaker without this cloud over his
head?

To treat this as an insult to India and not as a
reprimand to Narendra Modi and his dastardly actions
during the Godhra riots speaks volumes for the
continuing Hindu supremacist movement among some
Indians.  In India this idea has been rejected by the
voters and the secularists have to constantly be on
their guard against such movements.





[Goanet]Sikhs hail denial of visa to Modi.

2005-03-21 Thread Gabe Menezes
http://www.webindia123.com/news/showdetails.asp?id=74181&cat=India
Sikh bodies hail denial of visa to Narender Modi:-
Amritsar | March 21, 2005 9:33:16 AM IST
 
Various Sikh organizations have hailed the decision of the denial of
visa to Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi by US Consulate in India,
terming it as "a principled and courageous action".

While talking to ANI over phone, Dr. Pritpal Singh, the convener of
the American Gurdwara Parbandhak Committee, said on Saturday that
Sikhs in America were against Modi getting the visa because of his
alleged venomous speeches against the minorities.

"We in U.S. had been demanding for not granting visa to Modi as his
presence could have created tension among minorities in U.S. We
appreciated the step taken by the Consulate in India. The step taken
by the US consulate indicates that the United States retains a deep
commitment to human rights and the rights of the minorities. across
the world," Pritpal Singh said.

The president of the All India Sikh Students Association, Manjit Singh
Bhoma ,said that that other countries should also follow the path of
the U.S. Bhoma also criticized the Indian Government for backing Modi
on the issue. He alleged that both the Congress and the BJP were hand
in glove in their machinations against the minorities. (ANI)
-- 
Cheers,

Gabe Menezes.
London, England



[Goanet]Final Solution.

2005-03-21 Thread Gabe Menezes
Watched both the programmes on BBC 4 last night. If ever one wanted to
see the true colours of the BJP, then viewing the documentaries was a
must. As I had written before, the goondas are part and parcel of the
BJP. Their hierarchy will go out of their way to protect their troops,
it cannot be said that they are just a small segment ( a rotten core
).  The atrocities committed in Gujarat were truly horrific. It is no
wonder that the US of A rejected issuing a Visa to Modi. Unfortunately
the E.U., especially the U.K. which wants to be politically correct,
protects the interests of these law breakers to detriment of the
peaceful people.

In the documentary by Sir Mark Tully there was a brief glimpse of a
Church in Goa, which was allegedly desecrated - any ideal which Church
this could have been and when did it happen post 2003 ?

Your comments please on the BJP, Parrikar and his lot - are they much
maligned and misunderstood or are they a sinister force to be feared
and dealt with; nipped in the bud. Should Goans be apprehensive, that
perhaps we could have a large portion of the Police Force, whose
sentiments align with those of the BJP ? Goans should pressure the
Governor to bring all outstanding violations and Court cases to their
rightful conclusion. The former Law Minister should account for his
actions or lack or it when attacking the Hotel. Those who vandalized
the street signs should be charged and brought to Court as well. Then
and only then will Goans in Goa feel secure in the knowledge that
action can and will be taken against miscreants.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/documentaries/storyville/final-solution.shtml
Nick Fraser
Storyville Series Editor
 


Final Solution was shot over two and a half years by the Indian
filmmaker Rakesh Sharma. It tells the story of a massacre of Muslims
committed in the western state of Gujarat. It investigates the
relationship between the BJP and those who instigated, and actually
carried out the killings.

For outsiders, it has three merits. Firstly it is an extraordinary and
convincing film. Secondly, it offers a very rare insight into the
details of democracy in India, and one that shouldn't encourage people
to be snooty about its practices.

Thirdly, it alarmingly suggests that Adolf Hitler's and Benito
Mussolini's inventions were not confined to Europe. The BJP dresses up
in saffron gear, but its conduct is that of a mid-20th-century fascist
party. It is capable of fomenting plots in order to legitimise
violence, and it nurses the most violent racial hatreds. Although the
BJP's vote went down in the last elections, it is hard to watch this
film and not be alarmed by the prospect of Hindu fascism.
-- 
Cheers,

Gabe Menezes.
London, England



Re: [Goanet]Modi. US of A stands by decision

2005-03-21 Thread Gabe Menezes
On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 11:00:51 -0800 (PST), Mario Goveia
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Gabe Menezes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4368501.stm
> 
> US stands by India visa decision

> 
> Mario replies:
> Good for the USA.  Shame on the AAHOA (Asian American
> Hotel Owner's Association) for inviting Modi to be
> their keynote speaker.  Couldn't they have found
> another Gujarati speaker without this cloud over his
> head?
> 
> To treat this as an insult to India and not as a
> reprimand to Narendra Modi and his dastardly actions
> during the Godhra riots speaks volumes for the
> continuing Hindu supremacist movement among some
> Indians.  In India this idea has been rejected by the
> voters and the secularists have to constantly be on
> their guard against such movements.

RESPONSE: The programme on BBC 4, put forth a view, Indians are a very
religious lot. The problem with India could be the secularism. It
would make more sense to embrace all Religions i.e. pluralism. I
subscribe to this, setting aside religion is not the way forward,
rather inclusion for all forms of religion could be the light at the
end of the tunnel.

-- 
Cheers,

Gabe Menezes.
London, England



[Goanet]Modi, USA Sends more than subtle message.

2005-03-21 Thread Gabe Menezes
http://in.rediff.com/news/2005/mar/18modi8.htm
Modi visa: Muslim bodies hail US move

George Joseph in New York | March 19, 2005 00:00 IST

"The United States is sending a subtle message by cancelling the visa
of Narendra Modi. The message is that the US does not approve of the
sectarian strife and communal violence in India," Kalim Kawaja, a
leader of the Indian Muslim Council-USA, said.

"Frankly we did not expect such a move from the State Department. It
was quite a surprise for us too. We welcome it and we are happy that
the US has taken a clear stand on the communal issue," he said.

'Visa denial a courageous stand'

"The State Department did not condemn or issue a statement when the
Gujarat riots killed many people. Only the annual human rights report
of the state department mentioned the killings. So this is a major
change in the attitude of the State Department," he said.

But he was cautious in his reaction.



"Supporters of Modi may unleash their anger on his opponents," he said.

"What happened in Gujarat was very similar to Kosovo. There were large
scale violations of human rights," he said.

"As soon as Modi came to power, the attacks began. First it was
against Christians and later Muslims," he said.

Kawaja said he did not expect the State Department revoke the decision.

"They took the decision after carefully considering several factors.
It was a very conscious decision. So chances of a revocation are not
high."

"This decision may not change many things. But it will evince
discussion on the issue. In a sense this decision is good for India
and the US," he said.

"It was not taken to appease the Muslims, but it was aimed at the
sectarian agendas of some," he said.

The Council on American-Islamic Relations applauded the decision.

Visa denial insult to Constitution: Modi

"This case demonstrates what can be accomplished when Muslim, human
rights and minority groups work together for a common purpose," said
CAIR executive director Nihad Awad.

"We would like to thank those groups and thousands of people worldwide
who took action by contacting the State Department, the White House,
Congress, and the media in defense of the victims of Gujarat."

IMC-USA president Dr Shaik Ubaid, said: "It is a great  victory for
pluralism, justice and rule of law. Celebrate we must and celebrate we
will. We will  continue our struggle till the victims of pogroms in
India get justice and the supporters of Hindutva ideology are
thoroughly defeated in the US and  India."

"The Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh was launching Modi as their next
Vajpayee, their next Prime Minister. The launch site has now become
the burial ground of this sinister plan. I congratulate the members of
Coalition Against Genocide for their historic achievement."


The Coalition Against Genocide was planning a rally on Friday evening
as a dress rehearsal for the proposed protest on March 20 in front of
the Madison Square Garden in New York, where Modi was supposed to
speak.

"The rally is changed to a victory rally," secretary of CAG George Abraham said.
-- 
Cheers,

Gabe Menezes.
London, England



[Goanet]Drivel

2005-03-21 Thread cornel
Hi Mario,
I have noted your posts on Avelino's amazingly pathetic responses re the 
caste debate. As far as I am concerned, Avelino excels in drivel but does 
not know so.Trying to provide some illumination to the fellow is like 
casting pearls to swine as per the old proverb. I am not sure I want to 
waste my time on the guy as I have better things to do.
Cornel 




Re: [Goanet]Modi. US of A stands by decision

2005-03-21 Thread Mario Goveia
--- Gabe Menezes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> RESPONSE: The programme on BBC 4, put forth a view,
Indians are a very religious lot. The problem with
India could be the secularism. It would make more
sense to embrace all Religions i.e. pluralism. I
subscribe to this, setting aside religion is not the
way forward, rather inclusion for all forms of
religion could be the light at the
end of the tunnel.
> 
Mario replies:
Gabe, in your zeal I think you are trying to be too
clever by half.  The following are the dictionary
definitions of secularism and pluralism. You may be
making a distinction without a difference:

Main Entry: plu·ral·ism 
Pronunciation: 'plur-&-"li-z&m
Function: noun
: a state of society in which members of diverse
ethnic, racial, religious, or social groups maintain
an autonomous participation in and development of
their traditional culture or special interest within
the confines of a common civilization b : a concept,
doctrine, or policy advocating this state.

Main Entry: sec·u·lar·ism 
Pronunciation: 'se-ky&-l&-"ri-z&m
Function: noun
: indifference to or rejection or exclusion of
religion and religious considerations








Re: [Goanet]Drivel

2005-03-21 Thread Mario Goveia
Now, now, Cornel.  Calm down, man.  Why do you think
this diabolical system has lasted for so long?  We
need to be patient.  I am taking Avelino at his word
that he is just interested in learning more about the
subject.  So, I have suggested he read the article in
America magazine, written not by you or me, but by a
learned Jesuit priest, and to let us know what he
thinks about it.  In the meantime, let's all calm
down.


--- cornel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Mario,
> I have noted your posts on Avelino's amazingly
> pathetic responses re the 
> caste debate. As far as I am concerned, Avelino
> excels in drivel but does 
> not know so.Trying to provide some illumination to
> the fellow is like 
> casting pearls to swine as per the old proverb. I am
> not sure I want to 
> waste my time on the guy as I have better things to
> do.
> Cornel 
> 
> 
> 
> 



[Goanet]RE: Naming Game 2-Kazar (Wedding) Tum Sangxi?

2005-03-21 Thread Goa's Pride www.goa-world.com
Lino Dourado wrote:

Avelino bab,
Tumi 'curusidadin' vichartat mhonn, mhaka 
'istimosanv' dislem.

 1- Folli
The 'kankonnkar' fits bangles on the hands of the
bride are called folli (green back ground with yellow
lines)
---

Interesting input Lino.  Definitely the first words
and their clear meaning (description) was informative.

Re: the 'kankonnkar' !!
Sastti-nt Kankonnkar mhunntat kitem re?

Bardez-kar ani Ilhas-kar kankonnkar-ak Ol'lar
mhunntat.
H.Britton's Paddu Lapiaum hem git tumi aikunk 
nam Akashvannir?

AlmeidaG(ji)
www.goa-world.com






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Re: [Goanet] Modi. US of A stands by decision

2005-03-21 Thread Santosh Helekar
--- Gabe Menezes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>RESPONSE: The programme on BBC 4, put forth a view,
>Indians are a very religious lot. The problem with
>India could be the secularism. It would make more
>sense to embrace all Religions i.e. pluralism. I
>subscribe to this, setting aside religion is not the
>way forward, rather inclusion for all forms of
>religion could be the light at the end of the tunnel.
>

Secularism in the Indian context refers to pluralism.
And the pluralism applies not only to the religious
folk but also to people who do not believe in or
practice any religion. The constitution of India
defines India as a secular democratic republic.

However, whatever the definition of secularism it is
utterly absurd for any one to claim that secularism is
a problem. I thought only religious fundamentalists
made such charges against secularism.

Cheers,

Santosh



[Goanet]Check the Goa gazettes online

2005-03-21 Thread Frederick Noronha (FN)
http://goagovt.nic.in/gazette.htm
About the Official Gazette:
The main activity of the Department is the printing and publication of the 
offical Gazette -- the official organ of the Government -- brought out 
weekly on every Thursday. wherein the Central an Local Acts enacted by the 
Parliament and the State Assembly from time to time are published, for 
general information and guidance of the public and for their enforcement 
by the Departments concerned.

The Official Gazette is published in there Series, namely Series I, Series 
II, Series III. In addition, Extraordinary and Supplementary Gazettes are 
brought out as and when requested for by the Department concerned 
depending upon the urgency and the public interest.

The contents of each of the Series are as given below
Check the URL above for more details. FN


[Goanet]On email-for-all and footballs

2005-03-21 Thread Miguel Braganca
Dears,
My transition from being computer-illiterate to being e-literate was 
assisted by three persons: Caliste de Souza[ brother of Dr.Teotonio de Souza 
Moir/Portugal], Marina Sequeira[ wife of Heston and sister of Melvyn 
Misquita of Aldona] and my daughter,Karla, then a student of Std.IX in 
St.Mary's High School. Marina taught me the UNIX format at NIC Panaji in 
1995 when I helped get my colleagues and self into the training sessions 
with great reluctance from our "superiors" who remain computer illiterate to 
this day, while Caliste introduced me to Windows while creating an email ID 
for me and downloading  emails for me at his cybercafe next door from 1996. 
My daughter taught me the commands to get my emails through on my own after 
I bought a computer for myself a few years later. If I have a net presence 
today, I have to thank these three great persons.

The credit for my joining Goanet goes to Floriano Lobo from Moira, who ran a 
campaign against my Headmistress -sister and a teacher in the St.Xavier 
School, Moira.[ We have to thank him for making a noise about the use of 
amplifiers  for the school concert rehearsal on 17 Dec.2004. It was because 
of it that I went to the school on 18 Dec., saw the seedy VCD and started 
the noise that finally helped in bringing down a government that the ex-CM 
is now busy certifying as having so many corrupt ministers!]  Fred has put 
me on the track of God knows how many Netgroups, that I have begun having 
more created for use by groups that I am associated with.
...
"Frederick Noronha (FN)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Rene's idea of having an email-address-for-every-Goan and for expats to
bring down a football whenever they visit Goa (to be donated to local
youth of their choice) has gained some support.
Getting an email address isn't just an end in itself. We should also work
to make sure that this address is effectively used, by people back home
We need some innovative ideas to make emailing more ubiquitous in a place
like Goa, which could use it effectively. If individuals lose access to
their email address simply because they *do not* use it regularly, then
can we think of having a common addresses -- maybe for an entire village
or vaddo, which people use largely to *send out* mail, and not so much for
receiving... and obviously not for personal messages?

The Expatriate Goans can link up with a Higher secondary School or college 
student in their native town or village who has a Cyberage computer[ you are 
getting the mail from one such computer right now, since my computer is 
still down with virus fever] to download and give emeild to their 
computer-illiterate family members. They could gift a printer[ about 
Rs.3500/- or US$ 75/-] to the student in exchange. It can be a WIN-WIN 
situation with the student being able to print some of his/her projects at 
home. A black-and-white printer is ideal and is cheaper to get a monochrome 
cartridge than the colour ones. The more frequent users of such a service 
could offer to pay part of the telephone bill or replace used ink cartridges 
from time to time. It is a sure way of keeping in touch...and knowing that 
your letter has reached.

The relatives can also become part of the village Netgroups[ Aldona, 
Mapusa, Saligao and Vasco have active netgroups.] These groups have spawned 
the "Mhapsa Fest" [ second edition coming up in April] " Those Were The 
Days" music event in Baina and funding for the Aldona Institute and Saligao 
libraries, etc.

These are just some possibilities. There will be plenty more. Explore them; 
explode the myth that old dogs canot learn new tricks.

Viva Goa.
Miguel



[Goanet]Folk Songs of Goa: Mando-Dulpods & Deknnis

2005-03-21 Thread Goa's Pride www.goa-world.com
Folk Songs of Goa: Mando-Dulpods & Deknnis

>From the Jacket:
Konkani Song, of which Goan Song is the preeminent
branch, is a treasury of the traditional music of the
Indian subcontinent. It has at least 35 types,
monophonic and harmonic, the former prevalent before
the Portuguese brought Western music into India, and
the latter, consequent to the Western impact. It was
in Goa that Indian musicians first began to compose in
Western musical forms, incorporating into them motifs
and nuances of their own immemorial tradition.

Among these 35 types four were created to accompany
social dancing; the Mando, the Mando-dulpod, the
Dulpod, and the Deknni. The Mando, the finest creation
of Goan Song, is a slow verse- and - refrain
composition, in six-four time, dealing with love,
tragedy and contemporary events, both social and
political. Aryan Books International has published two
volumes on the Mando, entitled, Song of Goa, vol. 1:
Mandos of Yearning (2002); and vol. 2: Mandos of Union
and Lamentation (2003).

While the Mando is an art song, the remaining three
types represent Goan folk song. The Mando-dulpod is a
slower variety of the Dulpod (or a quicker sort of
Mando), also in six-four time, facilitating the
transition from the slow rhythm of the Mando to the
quicker one of the Dulpod. The Dulpod itself, in
six-eight time, is typically descriptive of everyday
life in traditional Goa, particularly that of the
Christians. The Deknni ("song of the Deccan") is a
song imitating Hindu music in the musical idiom
current among the Christian, in two-four or six-eight
time, descriptive mostly of Hindu life, with special
attention given to the temple dancers. The present
volume contains examples of the Mando-dulpod and the
Deknni. Hopefully a future volume will be devoted to
the Dulpod.

About The Author:
JOSE PEREIRA (1931) is Professor Emeritus of Theology
of Fordham University, New York, where he lectured on
History of Religious. He has taught and done research
in various academic institutions in Lisbon, London and
Varanasi, and has published 20 books and over 140
articles on theology, history of art and architecture,
and on Goan and Konkani culture, language, literature
and music.

MICAEL MARTINS (1914-1999), of Ol-lli/Orlim, Goa,
studied music in Goa, and in Bombay with renowned
music teachers. He performed for various societies in
Bombay and Delhi, and led orchestras of films in
Bombay. He began collecting traditional Goan songs,
art and folk, in 1933, and collaborated with Jose
Pereira in recording Konkani songs from 1954, putting
together as many as 11,000 number. Martins
incorporated several motifs from traditional Goan song
into his classical musical compositions.

ANTONIO DA COSTA (1943), a priest, psychotherapist and
musician, is currently working in the field of
gerontology and ministers to the elderly in Arizona,
U. S. A. As a musician he was trained in the Saligao
and Rachol Seminaries, the London Trinity School of
Music (in Bombay), the Juillard School of Music and
Columbia University, New York. Inspired by his mother
Arsentina, he began collecting specimens of
traditional Goan song from the age of 16, and for
several years broadcast mandos, dulpod, deknnis,
fugrhis, hymns and motets over Radio Goa, with the
assistance of the choral groups he had founded and
directed. He also organized concerts of Goan music in
Bombay, Pune and Mangalore to expose Goan audience to
the treasures of their traditional music.

TEXT, SCORE, TRANSLATION AND NOTES

Mnado-Dulpods 1 
1. ADVOGADANY'M VARHOILEAIM HARHAM 
2.  AITRACH' SOKANNIM MISSAKO 
3.  BANNALEANTUM MUZO GAUM-UM  
4.  CECILIO MUJEM NAUM  
5.  DANDDEA' CAETAN BUTIQUEIRU 
6.  ESTUD SANDDUN BOUNTAM MUNN  
7.  GARANTULIM BAIRI SOT-TONNOM 
8.  IM TIM LOTLLE' BAMBONNAM  
9.  LANOM Y AUM BURGEM ASTONNOM 
10.  Carmo Abreu & Arnaldo de Menezes
MAIM-PAI MAKA KORTAI RE FUGARO 
11.  RAINTUM TSOLI DINAIM KONNOM  
12.  SANGEARY AUM [SANKVALLE] PARHUM' GELOLIM   

 Deknnis 22 
1.  AG' Y AGA SONAR XETTI
Variant 1 ARE ARE XETTI DADA
Varient 2 BAVACH BOINNIM 
2. AJ SOMARATSO DISU
Variant AMCHA SOMARACHA DISA 
3. ALTORHI GONGA 
4. ALTORHY SAN PELTORHI GELEARI 
5. AMIM KOLVONTAM 
6. ARE DEULLEA 
7. AT-LAUNNEM ZALEM DADA 
8. AUM SAIBA PELTORHI VOITAM 
9. BOL-LOLY' XIDIE' MUKO NAM GA 
10.  BORIECHE TARI 
11.  BOTTU MELO 
12.  ERIKETY ADELAI-I
(HENRIQUETA ADELAIDE) 
13.  ERIKETY BAI ADELAI-I
(HENRIQUETA BAI ADELAIDE)  
14.  FARO DILE VO RE BABA  
15.  FONDDECHA DESIAGERY  
16.  FULO MALLUNUM 
17. GE GE GE GE GE   
18.  GONNESPOTI RAYA   
19.  JAMNAM POROBAJA  
20.  KAINCH KARANN NAM  
21.  KAZOLL KUKUMM MANNYKA' PANNIM  
22. KOLVONTAM Y AMIM PORVOTAVELIM  
23. KUXTTOBA  
24. MUJI MAIM-IM BOISOLEA  
25. MUZO FULANTSO PORHU
Variant 1 MUJEM PAIANCHEM PAINZONN
Variant 2 MUJO MOGATSO POTI 
26. NAUM MUJEM ERIKETI (HENRIQUETA) 
27. OIRY OIRY OIRY DOGRA' 
28. PAIAM' PAINZONNAM 
29. PONNJECHA PATTEARY MAIM 
30. PORTUGALA' SAUN 
31. SAIBA RAYAN BANDU GATILA

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IN TODAY'S NEWS: There's an election-fever slowly building up, with the
Congress and BJP preparing for a duel over five assembly seats. Want to read
the official gazette online? Read below. This issue also contains links to
some alumni groups in Goa, and some of the best posts that came up on
Goanet. Sitewatch goes to Toronto, and back to curries. Something about
Jazz, chicken cafrael and the weather in Goa too. 


  GOA COPS RESCUE kidnapped Chennai businessman from
  a hotel near the Karmali (Carambolim) railway 
  station. (NT)

  CONGRESS, BJP START preparing for the by-polls in Goa. 
  Five seats are vacant in Goa due to resignations
  of politicians from the BJP side. Barring the Margao
  seat, the remaining four were initially won by
  non-BJP parties, whose legislators subsequently
  joined the BJP. (NT)

  3 GOA POLICEMEN suspended as diesel in 17 seized
  barrels goes missing. The diesel was found at a shop
  in Khandola-Marcela. (H)

THERE'S SPECULATION IN THE media on who will contest the by-elections for
five made-vacant-by-resignation seats. Herald suggests that former Town and
Country Planning minister in the Parrikar government Atanasio 'Babush'
Monserrate may find himself facing former Congress minister Somnath
Zuwarkar, with the latter backed by "all the forces working for the defeat
of the money-lender turned politician". It says the builder's lobby was an
"aggrieved party" for the last two-and-half years, and is learnt to be in
favour of a joint candidate against the former T&CP minister. Sunaparant has
the headline: "Poat vechnukant konak ubo korop? Bhajpa mukhar vhod pench."

  FINALLY, after many promises, the Goa official gazette
  is being made available online. But there seems to be only
  a few issues available. That too, in PDF format (which means
  it is not easily searchable, unlike plain-text).
  Go to http://goagovt.nic.in/gazette.htm

o Gomantak Times looks at the mid-day meals for schools at Goa Velha. (GT)
o Contractor building a check-dam at Tudov in Sanguem allegedly
  took about 1500 trees that were felled during the construction. (H)
o Assagao communidade to file writ seeking restraint against garbage
  dumping. (H)
o Initiate criminal proceedings against guilty politicians, demands
  Nitol Jinn Trust led by former bureaucrat Arvind Bhatikar.(H)

-
WHAT'S NEW IN CYBERSPACE: Carmel College alumni network takes off
-

Nine ex-students from across the globe have already joined the Carmel
College alumni network [1], set up by alumni. If you'd like to join, just go
to the location below. In case these names ring a bell, the first to join
were Ethel, Frances, Analisa, Balbina, Krita, Lucy, Merril and Reen.

[1] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/carmelalumnigoa/ 

For those linked to other educational institutions, here are some other
expat networks you might be interested in:

o Government College, Khandola 
  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/khandolacollege
o Goa Engg College Farmaguddi, Year of 2000
  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/engico2k/
o Lourdes Convent Alumni, Saligao
  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LourdesConventAlumni
o Pius X Pastoral Institute network
  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pastoralites
o St Mary's Convent, Mapusa
  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stmarysgirlsmapusa
o St Britto's Mapusa
  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/brittos
o Schools and colleges from Panjim, Goa
  http://www.alumni.net/Asia/India/Goa/Panaji/
o Don Bosco's Bosconet; the work of EJS (Goanetter Eustaquio J Santimano)
  http://www.goacom.com/bosco_net/
  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bosco_net [502 members!]
o BITS-Pilani Goa chapter
  http://www.bitsaa.org/chapters/India/goa.html
o Goa University alumni
  http://www.goauniversity.org/Alumni.php

  Other alumni associations active in Goa include networks of 
  IIT-Bombay, VJTI-Bombay, St Xavier's College Mumbai, 
  Sophia's College, etc.

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SPORTS
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Re: [Goanet]Modi, USA Sends more than subtle message.

2005-03-21 Thread Marlon Menezes
The moves by the US government to block this
communalist is a very positive move. The next
objective should be a world wide campaign to prosecute
Modi for crimes against humanity. This would make Modi
liable for arrest in any nation he were to vist. Come
to think of it, would not India be bound to arrest
Modi and submit him to the World Court? Similar
actions should be targetted at other communalist
leaders of organizations such as the Sh*t Sena, VHP
etc.

Marlon


--- Gabe Menezes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://in.rediff.com/news/2005/mar/18modi8.htm
> Modi visa: Muslim bodies hail US move
> 
> George Joseph in New York | March 19, 2005 00:00 IST
> 
> "The United States is sending a subtle message by
> cancelling the visa
> of Narendra Modi. The message is that the US does
> not approve of the
> sectarian strife and communal violence in India,"
> Kalim Kawaja, a
> leader of the Indian Muslim Council-USA, said.
> 




Re: [Goanet]Re: airfields

2005-03-21 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo
--- gilbert menezes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> btw,What *technical* function did you perform for
> the Brazilian Navy?

Procured spares for engines and allied equipment for
Niteroi-class frigates, Humaitá-class subs, Sea-king
and Lynx helicopters, IFF equipment etc. in the
European market, and purchased repair and maintenance
manuals for the foregoing. My technical knowledge came
into the fore in translating Portuguese technical
requirements into English technical terms, when
suitable substitutes were required to be procured for
obsoleted electronic spares, and to handle telex
machines in a couple of emergencies when no telex
operator had turned up for work (there were no fax
machines in popular use until the late 1980s). Next I
moved into the field of software development,
developing an on-line purchasing system and an on-line
accounting system to be compatible with the Brazilian
federal SIAFI system on mini-computers, and before I
left, set up a Netware LAN.

> How many times did you step on the deck of the
> carrier *Minas Gerais*?

None. But read enough about it and other aircraft
carriers on Janes publications when I was working
there in the '80s.

Cheers,

Gabriel de Figueiredo.
Melbourne - Australia.

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[Goanet]Re: airfields again

2005-03-21 Thread gilbert menezes
Dear Jose,
here are the answers to your very basic queries:
1. Your basic premise is wrong. The airport did not belong to the
people of Goa pre 1961, as you have stated. It belonged to the
Portuguese, as it was a Government facility. After independence, it
devolved to the Govt. of india, and technically, it now belongs to the
people of Goa, because we belong to a democracy, and the Govt. is *of*
the people.
2. The cooks and stewards in the Naval base are men in uniform i.e.
sailors.  The Navy periodically recruits cooks and stewards into the
Logistic branch of the Navy.  It is an all India, equal opportunity
recruitment.  Unfortunately, goans never apply, and prefer the
Carnival Cruise Lines where the money is bigger and faster.  Theres
nothing wrong with that, but what is wrong is your continued
insinuation about the Navy not providing jobs for Goans. As usual,
your generalisations are based on lack of knowledge of local
conditions. All civilian workers in the Naval base are hired through
open advertisements in the newspapers.
Lastly, I would appreciate if you stop comparing me with a gentleman
named Mario. Im sure he would appreciate it as well.
regards,G.
.


> From: "jose colaco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: goanet@goanet.org
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:34:43 +
> Subject: [Goanet]Dear Gabriel re: Juhu Aerodrome, Rats et al
> Reply-To: goanet@goanet.org

> If Dabolim was a civilian airport pre-1961 - it obviously belonged to the
> people of Goa.
> 
> So, WHEN were the people of Goa asked IF that airport could be "borrowed"?
> or was a "middle of the might" a la META and Konkan Railway done with
> Dabolim too?
> 
> What benefit do Goans get from the Dabolim base?
> 
> How many Goans are employed at the Dabolim base? (even as cooks and butlers)
> 
> As Gilbert has the opportunity to "visit" with the hospitality at Dabolim,
> he might have noticed IF any goans were employed at Dabolim (even as cooks
> and butlers)



Re: [Goanet]Main points of a speech in the Rajya Sabha

2005-03-21 Thread Bernado Colaco
 
Nice one Faleiro. Goans are still struggling for
Independence from the Bharatis. What development?
Maybe fit for a third world country. 

B. Colaco

 --- Eduardo Faleiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Proclamation under Article 356 of the Constitution
> regarding  Goa. Main
> points of the Speech of Shri Eduardo Faleiro, MP on
> 19.3.2005 in the Rajya
> Sabha
> 
> 
> Tremendous progress made in Goa since Independence
> in 1961.  All round development in terms of material
> infrastructure (roads, electricity, water supply
> etc.) as well as social infrastructure (education,
> health etc.).  My personal experience in my own
> village.
> 


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[Goanet]Hum Apke Hain Kaun?

2005-03-21 Thread Philip Thomas
[Jose Colaco, March 21]

What has been the nature of the equation, the relationship,  between the
Navy and Goa over the decades? Not in terms of imagined ideals/evils but in
real terms. On balance, is it positive or negative?

Is the existence of "wounded psyches" a trivial matter? Can we deny that
even more than two centuries after the U.S. civil war there are still
significant pockets of resentment in the South against the North?  On whom
does the onus of winning hearts and minds lie in Goa?  What concrete steps
are being taken towards this end?

What are the plans for building Goa into a 21st century "3700 sqkm 'city' of
beautiful villages" ? And what is the Navy's contribution to that going to
be at Dabolim?




[Goanet]Goan appointed Portugal's Minister of State, Internal Administration

2005-03-21 Thread Mario Goveia
Goan appointed Portugal's Minister of State, Internal
Administration

PANAJI: A Goan, Antonio da Costa , was recently
appointed to the number two position in the Portuguese
government as Minister of State
and Internal Administration. He was appointed to the
post on 4 March by the newly appointed Portuguese
Prime Minister, Jose Socrates.

Costa, 43, is the son of Goan author Orlando da Costa,
and has previously served as Law Minister, besides
other high profile positions in Portugal. He is
reportedly the first Goan to reach such a high
position in Portugal. A post-graduate in European
Studies, Costa has worked as a lawyer and was involved
for several years ins Portugal's Socialist movement.
(WE-GT)




[Goanet]GOAN POETIC COUP IN KATHMANDU

2005-03-21 Thread brian mark mendonca
  COUP IN KATHMANDU: 'I AM NOT ALONE' GOES NEPALI

'Through the many lanes of his poetry, Brian has brought us to the centre of 
life,'- summed up Professor of English, Shailendra Kumar Singh of Tribhuvan 
University, Kathmandu, after an invigorating poetry reading session by Goan 
poet Dr Brian Mendonca in Kathmandu recently.

In what turned out to be high drama, the poetry reading was held on Feb 2nd, 
2005, at 5 p.m. at the garden restaurant of Pilgrim's Bookshop, Thamel - 
despite emergency being clamped on the capital 24 hrs earlier. The reading of 
Brian's Sahitya Akademi published poems to an international audience would not 
have been possible if not for the networking by Mrs Nevedita Bedadur, a 
teacher-friend of Brian's from his M.Phil days at the University of Poona, 
Pune (1989-1992). Mrs Bedadur now with the Kendriya Vidyalaya, at the Indian 
Embassy in Kathmandu referred Brian to Prof. Singh who is an avid lover of 
poetry. The rest is history.

Brian began with meditation no.11 from the 6th century BC Chinese poet Lao 
Tzu's classic 'Tao Teh Ching' [The Way]- 'You make doors and windows for a 
room / But it is these empty spaces that make the room livable.' (Hearing of 
Lao Tzu's wisdom, Confucius had travelled to meet him.) Feeling very much at 
ease in the leafy bower, Brian dwelt on the necessity to liberate the mind 
into poetic spaces, which distilled the very essence of life. 'I am not alone' 
was once more a favourite and Prof. Singh immediately translated it into 
Nepali much to everyones delight. The cadence of the Nepali moved Brian to 
read the Konkani version as well, translated by Daniel De Souza.

Prof Singh also read some of his poems and quoted Bashir Badr in his 
concluding remarks - 'Ujale apni ankhe ke / Mere saath rehne doh / Kaun jaane 
jab zindagee ki shaam ho jayee' [O let me keep with me the embers of your 
eyes / Who knows when they  will be called upon to light up life's evening for 
me].

'The itinerant taveller in Kathmandu, beautiful ambience and poetry - a 
wonderful evening' wrote Mrs Bedadur. 'Aho, kya mitha kabitarun. Ma ta 
mantramugdh nai bhayen' wrote Pramod Kumar Shah, Programme Officer, NCED 
Bhaktapur [What sweet poems, I am enamoured and satiated]. Kiran Ghimire, 
Manager of Pilgrim's Books shop was so impressed that he offered to consider 
an international edition of Brian's poems to be published by their own press. 
Refusing to write in English in the Visitor's Book, Ghimire wrote in Nepali, 
so that Brian may be motivated to learn the Nepali language in order to read 
it. Queries were raised regarding the multiplicity of languages in the poems 
and the dificulties an English reader may have negotiating these. Rhicha 
Maharjan, of Pilgrim's recommended a glossary. A 'wonderful experience' she 
wrote, describing the poetic sharing.

The session was also videotaped. We hope there will be a VCD available 
shortly. (It was said later that the state of emergency was declared because 
King Gyanendra, also a poet, could not tolerate a rival poet in his kingdom - 
least of all from India!)

Currently Brian is working on a review of 'An Other View: English Literature 
from Nepal' edited by Deepak Thapa and Kesang Tseten.



[Goanet]Bananas

2005-03-21 Thread xembuh Moidekar
Friends!
Moira is famous for innovators, bananas and "madcaps!"
But we are not gone bananas or bannanas...read on!
==

After Reading THIS, you'll NEVER look at a banana in the same way again!

Bananas. Containing three natural sugars - sucrose, fructose and glucose
combined with fiber, a banana gives an instant, sustained and substantial
boost of energy. Research has proven that just two bananas provide enough 
energy for a strenuous 90-minute workout. No wonder the banana is the number 
one fruit with the world's leading athletes.

But energy isn't the only way a banana can help us keep fit. It can also
help overcome or prevent a substantial number of illnesses and conditions,
making it a must to add to our daily diet.

Depression: According to a recent survey undertaken by MIND amongst people
suffering from depression, many felt much better after eating a banana. This
is because bananas contain tryptophan, a type of protein that the body
converts into serotonin, known to make you relax, improve your mood and 
generally make you feel happier.

PMS: Forget the pills -- eat a banana. The vitamin B6 it contains regulates
blood glucose levels, which can affect your mood.

Anemia: High in iron, bananas can stimulate the production of hemoglobin in
the blood and so helps in cases of anemia.

Blood Pressure: This unique tropical fruit is extremely high in potassium
yet low in salt, making it the perfect way to beat blood pressure. So much
so, the US Food and Drug Administration has just allowed the banana industry
to make official claims for the fruit's ability to reduce the risk of blood
pressure and stroke.

Brain Power: 200 students at a Twickenham (Middlesex) school were helped
through their exams this year by eating bananas at breakfast, break, and
lunch in a bid to boost their brain power. Research has shown that the
potassium-packed fruit can assist learning by making pupils more alert.

Constipation: High in fiber, including bananas in the diet can help restore
normal bowel action, helping to overcome the problem without resorting to
laxatives.

Hangovers: One of the quickest ways of curing a hangover is to make a banana
milkshake, sweetened with honey. The banana calms the stomach and, with the
help of the honey, builds up depleted bloodsugar levels, while the milk
soothes and rehydrates your system.

Heartburn: Bananas have a natural antacid effect in the body, so if you
suffer from heartburn, try eating a banana for soothing relief.

Morning Sickness: Snacking on bananas between meals helps to keep blood
sugar levels up and avoid morning sickness.

Mosquito bites: Before reaching for the insect bite cream, try rubbing the
affected area with the inside of a banana skin. Many people find it
amazingly successful at reducing swelling and irritation.

Nerves: Bananas are high in B vitamins that help calm the nervous system.

Overweight and at work? Studies at the Institute of Psychology Austria found
pressure at work leads to gorging on comfort food like chocolate and crisps.
Looking at 5,000 hospital patients, researchers found the most obese were
more likely to be in high-pressure jobs. The report concluded that, to avoid
panic-induced food cravings, we need to control our bloodsugar levels by
snacking on high carbohydrate foods every two hours to keep levels steady.

Ulcers: The banana is used as the dietary food against intestinal disorders
because of its soft texture and smoothness. It is the only raw fruit that
can be eaten without distress in over-chronicler cases. It also neutralizes
over-acidity and reduces irritation by coating the lining of the stomach.

Temperature control: Many other cultures see bananas as a "cooling" fruit
that can lower both the physical and emotional temperature of expectant
mothers. In Thailand, for example, pregnant women eat bananas to ensure their 
baby is born with a cool temperature.

Seasonal Affective Disorder (SAD): Bananas can help SAD sufferers because
they contain the natural mood enhancer tryptophan.

Smoking: Bananas can also help people trying to give up smoking. The B6,
B12 they contain, as well as the potassium and magnesium found in them, help
the body recover from the effects of nicotine withdrawal.

Stress: Potassium is a vital mineral, which helps normalize the heartbeat,
sends oxygen to the brain and regulates your body's water balance. When we
are stressed, our metabolic rate rises, thereby reducing our potassium levels. 
These can be rebalanced with the help of a high-potassium banana snack.

Strokes: According to research in "The New England Journal of Medicine,"
eating bananas as part of a regular diet can cut the risk of death by
strokes by as much as 40%!

So, a banana really is a natural remedy for many ills. When you compare it
to an apple, it has four times the protein, twice the carbohydrates, three
times the phosphorus, five times the vitamin A and iron, and twice the other 
vitamins and minerals. It is also rich in potassium and is one of 

[Goanet]Re: Garbage Going Goa Gone

2005-03-21 Thread Tom & Carolina
Garbage collection,

The governement can either have an incinirator or have a landfill where the 
garbage is treated and the metane gas generated is used to generate 
electricity.

Both are specialised jobs and very prevalent in Hong kong and Macau, where 
over 7,000,000.00 million people live and survive and generate a lot of 
wealth in an area of 1068 sq. Kms.

In Macau the waste heat boiler of the incininarator is also designed to 
generate electricity.
Tom de Sousa
Tom de Sousa in Hong kong.



[Goanet]Goanet News Bytes * Mar 22, 2005 * Protest on World Water Day

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IN TODAY'S NEWS: It's world water day today, and citizens are planning a
protest later in the morning. Can Goa work to rebuild its once-rich water
treasures? In Saligao, a protest over the concretisation of the famed
Salmona spring by a builder. On garbage, the message is you can't just turn
our villages into waste dumps. Goa's bloated bureaucracy to get further
bloated? Parrikar lobbying to create 1030 more jobs for 'trainees'. An
Aussie warship, football results, and train/air timings. Also, if you're
into fishing, check the tide timings back in Goa. Much more in today's
issue.

HELL BREAKS LOOSE AT CHIMBEL. Water supply cut off due to
contamination. Residents of Indira Nagar are having a 
horrible time for the last four days as the Public Works
Department authorities have cut off water supply to 
the area due to contamination of portable water even as
World Water Day is being observed on Tuesday.

REAL ESTATE SHARKS FANCY Saligao's Salmona spring. Villagers are up in 
arms against land development in the scenic spot. The world-famous
bird-watching site could end up as a concrete jungle, if the
construction work underway in the area is allowed to continue.
Villagers have strongly objected to the construction activity,
expressing fears that the construction on private land currently being
acquired by the tourism department, will create yet another noisy
nightclub. A group of angry villagers accused a builder, Arjun
Harmalkar, of developing the land. They questioned the panchayat
decision to go against a gram sabha (village council) resolution
which said that the panchayat should ask the deputy collector to
revoke the land conversion 'sanad' given to Harmalkar. (NT)

GARBAGE SCHEME hits roadblock in Salcete. Panchayats designated as
dumping grounds for the taluka's 30 villages have said no to the scheme
and plan to oppose it tooth and nail. Over half of the six designated
panchayats have lodged objections. First to oppose the scheme were
Loutolim and Cavelossim -- villages known for ancestral homes and
starred hotels. (Guilherme Almeida, writing in the Herald)

JOB-TRAINING SCHEME BENEFICIARIES WITHDRAW STIR: The 
agitation launched by the beneficiaries of the
Pre-Employment Training Scheme introduced by the
erstwhile Parrikar government was withdrawn today, after
former CM Manohar Parrikar announced that the 
Chief Secretary Ms Kiran Dhingra assured him of
absorbing all the 1030 beneficiaries in government
service, reports the NT. Obviously, building up a 
vote-bank, and straining Goa's economy further and
bloating the already-severely bloated bureaucracy!

THE AUSSIES ARE HERE: The Australian warship HMAS Anzac came alongside at
Mormugao on Monday. The frigate, on a six-month forward deployment, is on a
four-day goodwill visit to Goa. (Photo in GT). Citizens have raised concern
about the growing number of visits by military ships to Goa, saying this
could be a new form of tourism to emerge here in the backdrop of growing
tension in the Gulf region. 

LONG WAY ON FOR SUNRISE OVER GOAN INDUSTRY: Many feel that the investment
climate has adversely changed during the last couple of years. The 
scenario at most of the industrial estates is one of sheer neglect. "Some 
areas like Corlim have become jungles and the sheds appear fit places to
be turned into cages," says an entrepreneur. (GT)

GOA'S MID-DAY MEALS FOR SCHOOL CHILDREN in the the outlying talukas is
taking on a strange shape. Alister Miranda reports that the 'meal' was 
being served at the recess at 11 am, and consisted of a 'sheera' 
(instead of the expected meal). Gomantak Times.

IFFI expenditure, nothing to hide, says Parrikar. (NT)

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SPORTS
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NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE: Alberto's strike puts Fransa past Mahindra, 1-0 at
Cooperage, Mumbai. (UNI) Currently East Beganl is on top of the league with
24 points (11 matches), Dempo is tied also with 24 points (12 matches),
Fransa has 21 points, Sporting Clube de Goa has 20. Next in line are
Mahind

[Goanet]Article in Konkani by Dominic

2005-03-21 Thread V Fading
Hi ,
 
Just want to record my thianks to Dominic who wrote the konkani article about 
getting married and having kids etc. I have saved it to practice onI mean 
the language. Being in Malaysia I have lost touch with konkani - surrounded by 
languages like Malay, Hokkien, Mandarin, Tamil which I have learnt to 
understand but speak very little - leave it to my better half to translate for 
me.
 
Thanks Dominic.
 
Viveca
(Malaysia)



[Goanet]Naming Game2 (Kazar) re. Folli/Kankonnkar

2005-03-21 Thread JoeGoaUk

We call Kankonnkar in Salcette:

Also, we say Kankannacho Chuddo or Chullo (=folli ?).

These checqured bangles/chullo worn by bride some few weeks before the wedding 
or
just after 'vigorjent kazarachi chitt podli mhontoch'.

During this time, friends & relatives used to invite the bride for lunch or 
dinner
popularly known as 'Porkodunk' neighbours were also distributed sweets so called
'folle' steamed (like patoyo) made up of Jackfruit leaves or 'Shouvio' made up 
of
San'nas with jaggary/coconut 'chun' toppings served in small plates. The 
distributer
also get his commission or baxis.

These bangles only worn just before the wedding and on the day then after the 
entire
bunch of bangles were safely kept in the cupboard which the bride brought as 
dowry
or 'dennem' only to be worn on the day of her husband death and break on his 
coffin.

...hence H Britton song, '..no bangles/Chullo now.. so break Coconut instead..'

Also, on this very sad day, the wife onceagain wear the best (coloured dress)
followed by white or black colour dress for rest of her life. This dress also 
have a
name (which i forgot now)but these things dont happen now.

There was one kankonnkar named 'Xantaram' who used to visit house to house
periodically. 

Wearing of Chuddo/chullo may not be  very common now, however, Kunnbi brides are
still seen wearing it.







Lino Dourado wrote:

Avelino bab,
Tumi 'curusidadin' vichartat mhonn, mhaka 
'istimosanv' dislem.

 1- Folli
The 'kankonnkar' fits bangles on the hands of the
bride are called folli (green back ground with yellow
lines)
---

Interesting input Lino.  Definitely the first words
and their clear meaning (description) was informative.




Re: the 'kankonnkar' !!
Sastti-nt Kankonnkar mhunntat kitem re?

Bardez-kar ani Ilhas-kar kankonnkar-ak Ol'lar
mhunntat.
H.Britton's Paddu Lapiaum hem git tumi aikunk 
nam Akashvannir?

AlmeidaG(ji)
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[Goanet]AICHEA DISSAK CHINTOP - March 22, 2005!

2005-03-21 Thread domnic fernandes
“Devan tuka divpi kela.  Tuje hath ugtte zolmoleat ani toxench tujem kalliz. 
 Kednaim tuje hath khali assot punn tujem kalliz sodanch borlelem asta.”

(God has made you a giver.  Your hands are born open and so is your heart.  
There may be times when your hands are empty but your heart is always full.)

Moi-mogan,
Domnic Fernandes
Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA
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[Goanet]RE: : airfields again & again

2005-03-21 Thread jose colaco
Phillip Thomas wrote:
1. What has been the nature of the equation, the relationship,  between the 
Navy and Goa over the decades?

2. What are the plans for building Goa into a 21st century "3700 sqkm 'city' 
of beautiful villages" ? And what is the Navy's contribution to that going 
to be at Dabolim?

JC comment: Well said Prof!
--
Gilbert Menezes wrote
< Your basic premise is wrong. The airport did not belong to the people of 
Goa pre 1961, as you have stated. It belonged to the Portuguese, as it was a 
Government facility. After independence, it
devolved to the Govt. of india, and technically, it now belongs to the 
people of Goa, because we belong to a democracy, and the Govt. is *of* the 
people.>

This is the "best" spin-interpretation of democracy I have found second only 
to Mario's definition of democracy.

Let's get this right. Goa was NOT given Independence.
That action was taken WITHOUT the consultation of the people of Goa, and 
Gilbert has the neuronas to call it democracy?

Thank you Gilbert, but even Mario makes good ..anyway
Gilbert Menezes again


Could you please, Gilbert, post a copy of the last Advert in the Goa 
Newspapers for  civilian posts at Dabolim.

And since you have the Knowledge (which I lack), could you please ask for 
data on Goan applicants and appointments.

One more question - while you are at it -
When you next visit the "club", please find out HOW the consession stalls 
are awarded. IF you find an OPEN advert for those stalls, do let us 
know. Unless "special" qualifications are needed to run those stalls.

Talking about Newspapers, here is an item which might enlighten the 
democratic flame in you (and perhaps - your soul mate Mario)

http://www.colaco.net/1/senses.htm
till another time
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Re: [Goanet]GoanetReader -- The Empire Strikes Back to Palacio das Cortes (VM)

2005-03-21 Thread Bernado Colaco
VM is back. One remember's the days of canards. Now it
is Amcho Goan. How the shades change.

B. Colaco

 --- Goanet Reader  wrote: 
> THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK TO PALACIO DAS CORTES
> 
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