[Goanet]Indian shuttlers crumble at the crunch
Indian shuttlers crumble at the crunch May 13, 2005 21:20 IST India's shuttlers failed to raise their game when it mattered most and went down to Poland 3-1 in the play-off for promotion to the higher group in the World Mixed Team Badminton championships, for the Sudirman Cup, in Beijing on Friday. The Indians, who had topped Group 3B with an all-win record, had to defeat Poland to secure a spot in Group 2 in the 2007 edition of the event but their attempt for a maiden entry in the second best bunch of eight teams was halted by the much stronger Polish squad. According to the rules of the tournament, only top eight teams in Group 1 have a chance of clinching the title while the remaining teams are divided in groups of eight teams each and play for promotion to higher groups. It was a bad start for the Indians as their mixed doubles pair of V Diju and Jwala Gutta failed to make any impression against World No 43 Robert Mateusiak and Nadiezda Kostiuczyk and went down 12-15, 5-15 in just 31 minutes. National champion Anup Sridhar was then forced to bite the dust by Przemyslaw Wacha as Poland took a 2-0 lead. The 42nd-ranked Wacha, who had defeated the Indian in the pre-quarter-finals of the Polish Open last month, needed 39 minutes for a 15-8, 15-12 win. Trupti Murgunde, shouldering the responsibility of the women's singles in the absence of national champion Aparna Popat, pulled one back as she put behind an indifferent start to beat Kamila Augustyn 8-11, 11-3, 11-3. Trupti, ranked 76, lost the first game against her opponent, 180-places below her in world rankings, but then got her act together quickly and conceded just six points in the next two to claim the rubber in 47 minutes. The top Indian doubles pair of Sanave Thomas and Rupesh Kumar looked like building on Trupti's victory and restoring parity as they took a handsome 12-8 lead in the first game. But the World No 18 pair of Mateusiak and Michael Logosz had different plans as they won the next seven points to pocket the opening game and then warded off some stiff resistance to win the match at 15-12, 15-6 in 37 minutes. Poland will replace Ukraine in Group 2. Ukraine lost to Russia 2-3 in the play-offs and would be relegated to Group 3 in the next edition. Meanwhile, Malaysia defeated Japan to book a berth in the top group for 2007 while Sweden was relegated after losing to Thailand in the play-offs. Wales was relegated to Group 4 after it lost to Bulgaria 2-3. -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/
Re: [Goanet]Re: CATHOLIC ???
--- George Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >I agree with Santosh and would rephrase his last >sentence to read "When warranted and fact-based, >there ought to be no limits on religious and >ideological criticism on Goanet". > George, Thanks for rephrasing my last sentence. I hope it reassures those who complain about religious criticism. > >The only sick and depraved comments I have read have >been made against Hindus, Indians, and Sikhs - at >least one comment I protested a month ago. > There are no "devout" Hindus/Sikhs or fervent Indian nationalists in this forum to complain about this. I cannot imagine what would happen if this forum were invaded by RSS types. It is unlikely that religious chauvinists of any persuasion really mean to express love and affection towards another religion. > >For devout Catholics and devout religious people >there are other devout discussion-lists devoted to >their way of thinking, cloistered from the lens of >public scrutiny. A place where one can feel secure >and comfortable in one's biases and beliefs. Goanet >is not such a place - it is the Anjuna flea market >and not the Saligao Church. > There have been many attempts over the years to make Goanet such a place by petitioning the people in charge to expel the religious critics. My appeal to those who are interested in making this happen is: Please collect signatures on an open petition in this forum. Let us see how many devout Goanetters want this to be a religion-friendly forum. If you can get enough signatures then you can even have Goanet patronized (matronized?) by a Hindu goddess or saint. Cheers, Santosh
[Goanet]Re: WAR IN IRAQ
Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You are so totally uninformed about the US and the > situation in Iraq that I don't know where to start. Het Mario, Not only do you have serious comprehension skills but you also have strange propagation skills (that you do not seem to be aware of.) Nobody knows if you are serious when you write or if you write in jest! > You either don't know that Saddam had and used WMDs The Globe and Mail reports that Saddam did indeed have WMD. Saddam bought the mustard gas from the US. > or have no explanation for what happened to them. Saddam used the gas on the Kurds. In fact, it invaded Iraq only when it was sure that there was no gas left. Thats the reason for the 10 year gap :-) Mervyn 3.0 Toronto, Canada
[Goanet]Reply to Cornel...........
Cornel: I was told that the class of people who work with cows leather, viz shoemakers, were considered unclean and therefore untouchables. I am not an expert so I defer to anyone who wants to enlighten us, though I dont care one way or another. We are all equal. Kudos to you on your personal contributions towards Goa. Maintaining an ancestral home can be quite a burden on folks in Goa. I know of some charitable institutions that have declined the gifts of people's ancestral homes for precisely this reason. But squatters have no qualms in taking over such properties. I know of a lot of items including computers, furniture, books, clothes, magazines etz. which are discarded in the West, and yet could be useful in countries such as India. But the problems associated with shipping them to India, customs, and then getting folks here to actually utilize them are sometimes not worth the trouble. I had grandiose ideas at one time, but ground realities made me channel my charitable endeavours in other directions. Vivian
[Goanet]Re: False assertions
Santosh Helekar wrote: --It is well known that scientists are trying to find rational explanations grounded in objective evidence. True. But Science cannot prove that the Universe had a beginning with an explosion (BIG BANG). Science also in this area has recourse to assumptions, opinions, conjectures, alternative explanations, beliefs, guess... Instead of old "god-of-gaps" approach, Science offers "probability-of-gaps"... Can time atart without Superior Intelligence? Certainly not. Let science not encroach in the field of Metaphysics and Theology. Science wil not, and cannot, answer this question. It is God who brought order and cosmos out of chaos (cf.Gn 1:1-3). Theologians see God's hand at work. Ockham's razor cannot be applied, according to William Ockham himself, to the truths revealed by Christian Revelation. Bible teaches that God is the Creator. Evolution does not contradict the dogma of Creation. "Creationism" cannot be accpeted. Creation is a theological concept/statement, not a scientific theory. Let us respect those who "believe" that there is no God, as well as those who believe, with Reason enriched by Faith, that God is our Creator and loving Father. Ivo da C.Souza
[Goanet]Two Goans among the Four Indian students - won the Intel ISEF awrds
http://www.zeenews.com/links/articles.asp?aid=217049&sid=NAT Four Indian students awarded at Intel ISEF Houston, May 13: Four Indian students have won awards at the prestigious Intel International Science and Engineering Fair being held in Phoenix, Arizona for innovation and invention in addressing basic human needs like health, water and shelter. Mihir Tandon and Riddhiman Yadav, both students of Modern School Vasant Vihar in Delhi, have won scholarship awards of USD 1,000 for designing an improvised artificial limb for above-knee amputees. The Delhi students won the national collegiate inventors and innovators alliance/Lemelson Foundation prize that is awarded for creativity, technological innovation and commercial promise. Suvrata Desai, 16 and Mallika Dhillon, 16, of Jawahar Navodaya Vidyalaya, Goa, have won the second award of dollar 500 US savings bond for their Project "traditional spices as biopesticides". These awards have been presented by the 'Ashtavadhani Vidwan Ambati Subbaraya Chetty (AVASC)' foundation for projects that display outstanding creativity, ingenuity and have the potential to alleviate the human condition or mark a substantive advance in the scientific field. The Indian students reached the stage after competing with over 65,000 students at 550 regional, state-level national and international science fairs affiliated to the Intel ISEF. Jai Hind! Carlos
[Goanet]Audience v/s Participants
Pat de Sousa wrote: My reading of Sunil's (avertano teles) post was why do Goanetters selectively pick on bashing Catholics? Cecil: I agree with Pat. I make sure I am equally critical of all organised religion. - Pat: Could it be because Catholics simply roll over and turn the other cheek or do some revel in self-flagellation? Cecil: That is one of the tenets of the religion is it not? But I think that followers of any religion who constantly question, and hence strengthen, their beliefs are preferable than those who go by blind faith. The latter is easy. The former is tough. -- Pat: Or, the threat of fatwa, etc. Goanetters should learn to be charitable and sensitive -- treating ALL religions with love and respect. Unbridled singling out of a single religious entity is indicative of a sick and depraved mentality. Cecil: I totally agree. If you have to be critical spread the criticism around. As Khushwant Singh does so well, "with malice towards all" --- Pat: While encouraging free speech, Goanet Administration should establish limits on religious bashing. Cecil: I don't agree with this constant beseeching of the Admin Team to step in. We are all adults here and should be able to behave responsibly without constantly crying out to the headmasters to intervene. - Pat: Devout Netters will otherwise be forced to quit instead of being unwittingly held as a captive audience. Cecil: This statement is a bit confusing. 1) By devout do you mean 'devout' as in religiously devout or 'devout' as in "I am a 'devout' subscriber to GoaNet since 1995 hence my views count more than those of the newer subscribers" ? 2) I do not think subscribing to GoaNet makes anyone a 'captive audience'. One is free to read, ignore, delete or respond. And quitting is always an option if one feels captive, or captivated. Why flaunt it as a threat? 3) The term 'audience' in fact is curious. One is a 'participant' in an e-group. An audience on the other hand is expected to be kept entertained in the manner of their taste. If more devout GoaNetters participate, and stop considering themselves an audience that can quit, then perhaps things will improve. Cheers! Cecil =
[Goanet]Re: mario bushy bushy whack whack...
Yes Gaby, with the knowledge Mario has on Post Saddam Iraq, Bushey could even appoint as the President of the Republic of Iraq !! Percy Ferrao Ealing Road
[Goanet]Knock a Salud to the magical moonshine! DECCAN HERALD
http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/may102005/spectrum83021200559.asp Knock a Salud to the magical moonshine! DECCAN HERALD MARIANNE de NAZARETH goes to Goa and discovers the 400 year-old fenny which is being brewed by the SVD seminarians. Just cross over into Goa from Karwar over the ghats and the hills and vales of the area are aromatic with the heady smell of ripening cashew apples. This is the time when the small country stills are busy distilling arrack and fenny from the neera of the crushed cashew apples. In fact, the medicinal properties of fenny is something any self respecting Goan has grown up on. Flambed fenny was always taken with a dash of sugar to sort out a cold. That is why it is important for all Fenny lovers and visitors to Goa in April and early May to make a visit at least once to the SVD Seminary in Raia near Margoa to have a sip of the home grown fenny distilled by Father Caetano and his helpers. The SVD Seminary fenny is virtually unknown and will be the mecca of those who long for the true blue pure fenny. The little cottage industry brews the purest form of the popular drink. Walking around with Father Caetano one is amazed by his entrepreneurship. The cashew tree is native to Goa and Karwar and grows profusely all over the hills. I have supplemented the acreage by growing more trees every year and looking after the existing ones, he reveals. We do not sell our fenny, but visitors like you are given a drink for free when they come here, he explains. Cashew apple As he speaks, a large open bodied truck backs up to an open shed, where it disgorges its large barrels of the fresh and ripe fruit. Pickers have hand picked the fruit off the hundreds of trees on the hill sides. Very like the monks in Europe who are famed for the champagne and brandy that they brew, Father Caetano is famous for his full bodied fenny. Sitting among mounds of apples, young boys from the orphanage on a holiday, pick off the cashew seed and deposit the apple in a big pile of red, orange and yellow fruit. The fruit is then taken in a big bucket and put into the shredder, which shreds the fruit untouched by hand. The shredded fruit is again taken by barrels and put into very modern looking crushers, where the lid is screwed down, squeezing the juice out of the fruit into buckets below. This juice is topped up into huge barrels and left to ferment in the sun for a couple of days. It is interesting to literally hear the bubble and pop of the fermenting juice and the already pungent smell of the fenny filling the air around these barrels. Traditionally, no fermenting agent is used and the juice ferments by itself. The first distillation produces arrack and the second distillation produces the famous cashew fenny. Later, this juice is poured into huge vats and boiled and distilled and from here, the purest form of pristine white fenny pours out from tubes in a steady stream. Very rarely, like in SVD, is it distilled for the third time to produce this very potent fenny. You can go around my plant and see for yourself that we use only the very best of ingredients to bring you my top quality fenny, no adulteration touches my process, he explains. Cashew fenny Most cashew fenny producers in Goa still use the traditional pot-still method and in which the extracted juice after fermentation is distilled in large clay or copper pots (bahann). This is the process that gives the liquor its unique flavour and many times, this is a little cottage industry in the villages around. The cashew tree is the native of the West Indies, though it came to Goa via Brazil and the Portuguese over 400 years ago. However old timers feel the technique of making the fenny has been borrowed from the goans who have traditionally made coconut fenny. Coconut trees too are native to Goa and the word fenny comes from the word fenn which means froth or foam. Whatever its origins, fenny has come to be known today as the original Goan alcohol. Over the years of course, adulteration has come into this avenue as well and cheap white liquor to which, the essence of cashew is added has been passed off as the real liquor. Earlier, the perception was that fenny was the poor mans drink. So, local liquor barons like V Vaz, who has a brand of fenny called Big Boss took over the unorganised market and began his top quality big brand. He has even put a real cashew apple in his fenny so that consumers abroad can get to see what a cashew apple looks like! With Goa becoming an international tourist destination, unique goan liquors like the fenny have caught the tourists eye. There is also talk about patenting the fenny like basmati and neem. There are plans afoot of bringing all the cashew fenny producers together under one umbrella to create a competitive quality product, which will be internationally respected. Whatever happens in the future, there is one very important point t
[Goanet]By-elections: Let us act smart
Dear Goans, Babush, Isidore and Micky are busy displaying their might on the streets. Motorcycles are being distributed in Taleigaon. Parties are being thrown in Benaulim. Uninformed and self centred people have fallen prey to these perks. If the congress come to power, we can only expect a corrupt government of these MLAs who will try to recover the money they spent in buying the voters. The inherent infighting in the Congress has come to fore with the resignation of Nirmala Sawant. Goans made a mistake in the past by not giving a clear majority to any party. The curent political turmoil is the result of this mistake. MLAs from other parties had to be absorbed in the BJP to form a Government. These are the same MLAs who ditched the BJP. We have seen the speed with which the BJP achieved development in the state. They deserve a second chance. Let us give them a clear majority this time and get rid of political instability. Cajetan Rego Coprem, Tivim.
[Goanet]Re: How did science begin?
> Fr.Ivo wrote: > >What the scientists are trying to find is also opinion. > > Dr.Santosh Helekar says: > The above statement is also false. It is well > known that scientists are > trying to find rational explanations grounded in > objective evidence. The scientists are trying to find the origins of the Universe and of humankind. In this process of research Science has recourse to conjectures, assumptions, opinions, probabilities, beliefs, guess... Instead of "god-of- gaps", they are embarking on "probabilities-of-gaps"... It is impossible to have "objective evidence" in this area. Let them deal with empirical knowledge and leave aside metaphysical and theological realm. Philosophers and theologians will take care of it. Ivo da C.Souza
Re: [Goanet] NEWS UPDATE - another Saddam mass grave found in Iraq
--- Gabe Menezes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >RESPONSE: Again you are bringing us down to your >level - primary school stuff - there is not one of us >on this goanet site that loves Saddam; I would state >though that there are not many of us that would > follow George Bush or your view either! > Gabe, I admire your patience. Your responses make a whole lot of sense to me, and it is important to defend yourself against innuendo and ad hominem attacks in an open public forum such as this. Cheers, Santosh
[Goanet]Re: NEWS UPDATE - another Saddam mass grave found in Iraq
The author must realise that it is just HIS case that WMD still exists. No-one else (even BUSH officials) believe this any more.The author is free to believe exactly what he wants to believe and ignore ALL facts. However - that doesn't make the facts go away... I also note he uses terms below like "we don't care". Who is this WE? The author is just representing himself, no one else. I strongly urge Mr. Goveia to hop on a plane and prove everyone wrong by finding the WMD. He will have the last laugh on every Bush critic. So, Mario - when is your flight to Baghdad leaving? Best of luck. please remember us humble (reality-based) Goanetters when you've found fame and fortune as a result of finding said missing WMD. Maybe you can even help out Herman, Fred & Co. by injecting some much needed capital into Goanet! --- Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Mario replies: > Gabe, it would help the civilized discourse that we > are supposed to have on Goanet if you knew what you > were talking about. I have repeatedly made the case > that the WMDs are still hidden somewhere, whereas > you > and the other anti-Americans keep repeating the fact > that they were not found in Iraq, without explaining > what happened to the ones Saddam had and used. > Maybe > you are unaware that they really did exist, and > there > were 17 UN resolutions from 1991 to 2003 demending > an > accounting of them. UN resolutions, not US demands. > > Secondly, if you had looked up the war resolution > authorizing the liberation of Iraq you would know > that > there were several reasons for the action other than > WMDs, including the need to depose Saddam and impose > freedom and democracy. So, the notion that it was > an > afterthought is just flat out false, and reflects > the > biased propaganda being spread by the newspapers you > and some of our Canadian friends seem to read. > > What you are truly sad about it seems to me is that > a > brutal dictator who was governing by terrorizing the > majority of Iraqis, killing his own people and > looting > his own treasury, has been deposed. > > Gabe writes: > > Everyday we hear of dozens of people being killed > in > Iraq and we are told to be patient as this same sort > of thing took place after WW II in the > reconstruction > of Japan and Germany. I was not born then, perhaps > he > knows better - that there were mass atrocities being > committed in those countries after they were > conquered > and it took awhile to calm down the situation. > > > Mario replies: > Gabe, we really don't care whether you are patient > or > not. Our goal right now is to secure Iraq and stop > the killing by the people whom you support from > killing other Iraqis in a futile attempt to turn > back > the clock. The notion that you had to have lived > through WW-II to know about what happened then is > preposterous. By this definition the world began > when > YOU were born. > > Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html
[Goanet]Re: Cornel's query re Caste
Jose, Many thanks for your helpful answer to my question about shoemakers as untouchables and as thus referred to them by Vivian in one of her posts. I am aware of course about those deemed to be untouchables highlighted by Ambedkar and many others including Gandhi in his terminology for them as the children of God. I also have notes on their official numbers etc in India whether scheduled castes or tribals etc. However, my question specifically related to any untouchables in Goa today. Are there untouchables among the Catholics or indeed among the Hindus normally resident in Goa today? Thanks again Cornel
[Goanet]Portuguese encounters of two different kinds (Leite's Culinaria)
http://www.leitesculinaria.com/columns/port_cookbooks.html Portuguese encounters of two different kinds (Leite's Culinaria) By David Leite Quick, name a good Portuguese cookbook. It's not easy, is it? There are lots of debates as to why shelves containing French or Italian cookbooks buckle under their own weight while those containing Portuguese texts barely bow. Well, here are two new additions that give both the bookshelf and Portuguese cooking a bit more heft. Although the first has the ponderous and breathless title ofCuisines of Portuguese Encounters: Recipes from Portugal, Madeira/Azores, Guinea-Bissau, Cape Verde, Sa~o Tome' and Principe, Angola, Mozambique, Goa, Brazil, Malacca, East Timor, and Macao (Hippocrene, 2001), there's nothing daunting about the book. To the uninitiated, the countries listed are Portugal's former colonies, some of which became independent as recently as 30 years ago. This impressive and far-flung collection of former possessions point up Portugal's world dominance that peaked in the sixteenth century when Portuguese seaman, many led by Henry the Navigator, conquered new lands to build one of history's largest empires. Author Cherie Hamilton, cook, cultural anthropologist, and world traveler, began her research of the foods of the Portuguese-speaking world nearly 40 years ago when she and her husband (who was on a Fulbright scholarship) went to Brazil for a year. There she began studying Bahian cooking. Encouraged by Jorge Amado, one of Brazil's premiere novelists, she began gathering recipes for a Bahian cookbook. Several trips to Portugal, Mozambique and Angola later, her Bahian cookbook idea expanded to include exotic recipes from these new locales too. Later, more trips and sabbatical leaves were filled with visits to other former Portuguese colonies, often times at the behest of the local governments who got wind of Hamilton's culinary research. The result is a book that works on several levels. For the cook, there are 225 authentic recipes, everything from Pastel com o Diabo Dentro (Pastry with the Devil Inside) from Cape Verde and Picadinho (Brazilian Hash) to Malassadas (Fried Doughnuts) from the Azores, the nine islands 1,000 miles off Portugal's mainland. For the culinary historian, there are detailed notes of the cultural and social importance of each dish, the relationship between food from the different countries, as well as the migration of food from one part of the world to another. The second book -- more modest in geographic scope, but no less important -- is Ana Patuleia Ortins' Portuguese Homestyle Cooking (Interlink Books, 2001). Ortins, a first-generation chef from Peabody, Massachusetts, learned Portuguese cooking at the stove of her father, Rufino, who was from the Alto Alentejo region of Portugal. Unlike Hamilton, Ortins focuses on the foods only from Portugal and the Azores. And not a moment too soon when you consider ingredients such as chouric,o are popping up in decidedly unPortuguese dishes, and prime-time cooking shows are featuring dubious recipes for Caldo Verde and Bacalhau a` Go^mes de Sa'. But Ortins doesn't think it's time to call out the food police just yet, although a little culinary awareness couldn't hurt. "Portuguese cooking is becoming popular these days," she said recently in a phone interview, "and I've seen some supposedly Portuguese dishes that have little resemblance to our cooking. My goal is to present Portuguese food as authentically as I can." The payoff has been particularly satisfying for her. She adds: "In the short time the book has been out, I've received many phone calls and e-mails from people who've said, 'Finally, a book that has food just like my mother used to make.'" Along with an impressive array of recipes such as Sopa de Funcho (Fennel Soup), Risso'is de Camara~o (Shrimp Turnovers) and Salada de Gra~o de Bico com Bacalhau (Chickpea Salad with Salt Cod, pictured above), the book is peppered with remembrances of growing up in a Portuguese-American community. For example in a section on the Festa do Espi'rito Santo (the Feast of the Holy Ghost), one of the most sacred events in the Portuguese Christian calendar, Ortins recounts the thrill of walking in the yearly procession in billows of white tulle. Yet the same essay also seamlessly weaves in the food, traditions, and lore of the celebration. Together both books help to widen the narrow shelf of good Portuguese cookbooks and go a long way to show the substantial contributions the Portuguese have made to modern cuisine. Both are worth a cook. For more information or to buy these or other Portuguese cookbooks, e-mail Nach Waxman at Kitchen Arts and Letters or call him at (212) 876-5550. --- Thanks to Edgar.Ca for sharing this link with us. FN
[Goanet]Quotes from Arcbishop Levada
Quotes From Archbishop Levada Friday May 13, 2005 10:01 PM AP Photo CAER104 By The Associated Press Quotes from San Francisco Archbishop William Levada, named Friday by Pope Benedict XVI to succeed him as head of the Vatican's Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith: ON CATHOLIC POLITICIANS: ``There may be a legitimate diversity of opinion even among Catholics about waging war and applying the death penalty, but not with regard to abortion and euthanasia. ... A Catholic, to be in full communion with the faith of the Church, must accept this teaching about the evil of abortion and euthanasia.'' - paper to U.S. bishops' conference, June 2004. ON GAY MARRIAGE: ``Heterosexual marriage, procreation, and the nurturing of children form the bedrock of the family, and the family unit lies at the heart of every society. To extend the meaning of marriage beyond a union of a man and a woman, their procreative capacity, and their establishment of family represents a misguided understanding of marriage.'' - public statement on marriage, February 2004. ON LEGALIZING PHYSICIAN-ASSISTED SUICIDE: ``This is the antithesis of Catholic doctrine which has taught throughout its history that life is a gift from God and must be protected, supported and cherished even when one is suffering and in pain. We are not the masters of our lives but rather stewards of this gift from God.'' - letter to priests, May 6, 2005. ON CATHOLIC DOCTRINE: ``A 'cafeteria' approach to the faith has no basis in Scripture or the church's tradition. Indeed, it has always been the case that rejection of even one of the doctrines of our faith implies a rupture with the visible communion of one faith and one church.'' - article about catechism, 1994. ON ISLAM: ``If both Islam and Christianity view themselves as universal and missionary, it does not mean an impasse but an opportunity to search further into the mystery of that faith to see how it resonates and relates to the other's faith. The spirit of contemporary society is skeptical of truth, of the claims to know the truth, even - or especially - of truth revealed by God.'' - address at University of San Francisco, 2002. _ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963
[Goanet]Re: Just Culture
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > So as I look at the discussion of failure of priests, among other things, it > is the community > that permits priests to be liberal / reformed that may also be at fault. The statement above is factually wrong since non-liberal Catholic communities in the USA also have pedophile priests. There is also a "slippery slope" issue similar to rape cases where the victim is blamed for "asking for it" or "dressing inappropriately", etc. Are the little boys who were raped by the pedophile Catholic priests going to have to share the fault? I hope not. Let us be very clear, individual accountability and responsibility places the blame squarely on the priests who have committed the crimes - the USA courts have ruled as such. One billion dollars and 3 or 4 diocese bankruptcies later, the sad truth has come to light. Perhaps if we are to share the responsibility for the priests criminal behavior, will some smart victim's attorney ask individual Catholics to pay up? Are USA Catholics, having lost some Church assets, now prepared to lose their homes and personal assets in settlements? Shared risk and responsibility should not be confused with individual accountability and actions. Regards, George
Re: [Goanet]When ignorance is truly bliss.....
The objection by the Democrats to Bolton is that he may actually call a spade a spade and induce the feckless UN to change its corrupt ways. People like you are afraid of him because he will shake up the currently useless and corrupt UN, and force them to perform the conflict resolution that is their primary job, which they are an abject failure at. --- Gabe Menezes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > George Bush's appointee to the U.N. is wellnot > up to the mark. > George Bush needs Mario to gee up the troops! > > > -- > Cheers, > > Gabe Menezes. > London, England > >
Re: [Goanet]WAR ON IRAQ
--- Colin Britto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As an American citizen, I fail to understand why the > author does not realise that the reason the interim > Iraqi govt has "asked the US troops to stay on" is > because (drum roll) THEY HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE > > And with all the American troops there, there are > still tens of casualties PER DAY... Mario replies: There were tens of casualties per day before Saddam was deposed and those were Shia (60%) and Kurds (20%) being killed by Sunni Baathists (less than 20%), a minority community, for disagreeing with Saddam. Now the same people are being killed by the same Sunnis and their "foreign" supporters in an attempt to deny them freedom and democracy. And people like Colin support the killers, at least tacitly and by providing them with moral support on public forums like Goanet. I find it ironic that Colin lives in a free country but vehemently opposes freedom for the Iraqis. Yes the interim government in Iraq has no choice as yet, because they were the people who were brutalized by Saddam for over 30 years and are only now learning how to run a country. Why don't you know all this, Colin? Or are you callous to the real facts in Iraq? Colin writes: > The author keeps hoping for WMD's to be found in Iraq, despite all the official reports of nothing there - Talk is cheap. Why does the author not hop on a plane and commence the search himself? Age should not be a factor - heck, they're re-enlisting 55 year olds here. > Mario replies: This seems to be the last puerile resort of many anti-Iraq-liberation Americans like Colin. It sounds cute but it doesn't answer the question of what THEY think happened to the WMDs. I don't need to hop on a plane and look for the WMDs because I support the removal of Saddam for reasons other reasons than the WMDs, for example, his defiance of 17 UN resolutions over 12 years, his looting of the oil-for-food program, and his psychotic brutality. None of this seems to matter to people like Colin.
[Goanet]A message in a bottle from Colin to Mario
From: Colin Britto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Why does the author not hop on a plane and commence the search himself? Age should not be a factor - heck, they're re-enlisting 55 year olds here. Better yet, the author should enlist for the war he so ardently supports - and get all his family members to enlist as well. Ever wonder why he doesn't do this ? I'll bet he'll be singing a different tune, after he asks friends in the US to send him body armour. Maybe even Goanet members!! = Dear Colin, I have NO idea what you are talking aboutbut .WELL SAID. just coincidentaly, I was reminded of the piece of tremendous wizardry(for want of a better word) that my very good friend (Have I had too much single malt J & B or what) Mario Gouveia wrote recently. Perhaps I can borrow those fabulous words while he is beejee reading the material on the Infant Mortality Rates in Third World countries like Cannuckistan and Hicksville. here are Senhor Mario's words. Better still, please bear with me as I copy and paste Herr Mario's own words cheers jc From : Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To :goanet@goanet.org Re: interesting [Goanet]off-topic and the wanton abuse of Dave Futters < It is about time someone ... pointed this out> _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
[Goanet]RE: Cornel's query re Caste
From: "cornel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dear more learned colleagues, re: Shoemakers aka Chamars or Mochis or Sapateiros, The following attached info should be self informative Without tacit or implied support of the indefensible Apartheid colour (varna) based discrimination perpetrated in the name of Hinduism for the past 3500 years (at least) by the Caucasian Aryans (NOT David Futer, Sonia Gandhi, John Paul II, Annies Beseant, Mother Teresa, Lord Mountbatten, Vasco da Gama, Afonso da Albuquerque, Francisco Xavier, Francisco Colaco etc BUT by the very RSS hypocrites who inappropriately criticise Sonia, Mother Teresa, John Paul II and SFX) , the following info is placed for purposes of reference: 1. http://www.ccnmtl.columbia.edu/projects/mmt/ambedkar/web/groups/6838.html Chamars were an UNTOUCHABLE CASTE found in many regions of India, which is no doubt why Dr. Ambedkar used them as an example. In the Imperial Gazetteer, they are considered a 'functional caste' of leatherworkers; in this and other contexts, the Imperial Gazetteer contains a number of references to them. Here, for example, the Imperial Gazetteer notes the presence of Chamars in Ahmednagar district in Gujarat, along with Mahars, the untouchable caste to which Dr. Ambedkar himself belonged. 2. http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/india/rgt-jat.htm Jats are in the main landlords and farmers and consider themselves to be of a superior stock than any of the so called Untouchable Castes; especially the Chamar Caste which is the dominant UNTOUCHABLE CASTE in the Punjab 3. http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/6253_150430,00160003.htm The Scheduled Castes are around 14% and Sheduled Tribes around 9% of the undivided Bihar. The most notable among the Scheduled Castes are Bhumij, Chamar, Dhobi, Dom, Dusadh, Musahar, Nat and Pasi. 4. http://www.ambedkar.org/books/tu2.htm 5. http://depts.washington.edu/critasia/rawat_narrative.htm 6. http://www.colaco.net/1/caste.htm jc coming soon on Colaco.Net AFTER the Ribandar Ghuspott - the SHAMEFUL devadasi system of India _ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
[Goanet]Misery of India's spice farmers
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4536961.stm Misery of India's spice farmers By Sunil Raman BBC News, Kerala Thousands of spice farmers in India are in the midst of a major crisis, threatening one of the country's best known trades. The worst affected are black pepper farmers in the southern state of Kerala. The picture postcard scenery in the state's Wayanad district has charmed tourists for long. The sides of hills are dotted with farms growing cardamom, pepper, cloves, vanilla and many other spices. The Portuguese explorer Vasco Da Gama had landed on the Kerala coast in the late 15th century and opened the sea route for spices. Pepper is grown on 70,000 hectares of land, although most farmers have small holdings of less than one acre. But a drop in global prices and competition from Vietnam has made them vulnerable. Outrage Last year, around 100 farmers in Wayanad committed suicide after being unable to repay their debts. Media publicity and political outrage brought pepper farmers some relief with the state government offering to buy pepper at above the market price. But a further drop in world prices and government's inability to procure more pepper has meant that the situation remains the same. Biju, a young farmer spends most of his day chatting with friends in the market square of Sultan Bathery. "I borrowed 25,000 rupees ($578) from a private bank but do not know if I will be able to repay it on time. The prices are too low for my condition to change," he says. "How do I take care of my family?". The crisis is also hitting the Church which also owns spice farms. 'Offerings down' Mullankolly and Pulpally are dotted with churches most of which were constructed in the boom phase a few years ago. Father George Vettikatil heads the Malankara Catholic church in the region. Returning from Sunday mass he says: "Church means people. If people are struggling, the Church is struggling. Offerings have come down by over 10%." There was a time when one quintal of pepper could fetch 27,000 rupees ($625). Now, the price has fallen to 5,000 rupees ($116) a quintal. There are 45 parishes in the Wayanad area that used to contribute to the Diocese centre. Father George said all these parishes have three to four acres of land on which they grow pepper. Now they look to the Bishop's House for financial help. The drop in earnings has forced a halt to the reconstruction of 10 parishes. "We could complete only four buildings and others will have to wait," he said. Globalisation hits home Around 45% of India's plantation crops are grown in Kerala. Many of the spice farms are homesteads. When global prices were good many farmers began growing more pepper. Little did they realise that the boom would be short-lived. Changes in the global economy have led to the present crisis. Vietnam has become the biggest competitor for the Indian spice farmer and is now producing all the spices traditionally grown in India in large volumes, as well as coffee, tea and cashew nuts. Indian pepper exporters say new global trading rules are responsible for the plight of spice farmers. Kishor Shamji heads the Indian Pepper Exporters Association in Cochin and he holds the government responsible for unhindered imports into the country. A free trade agreement with Sri Lanka has led to dumping of pepper by third countries, he says. "There has been a quantum jump in import of pepper. "India imported 600 tonnes in January 2004 and in the same period this year around 1,300 tonnes of pepper was imported," he said. The government has not helped the farmers and the industry, he said. The problem of pepper farmers is symptomatic of what the Indian farming sector is going through. Farmers increase the area under a certain crop if global prices go up but do not know how to deal with a situation when prices fall. In the last few years rice fields have been turned into banana plantations in Kerala. Crop failure in Madagascar saw many take to vanilla cultivation. The government says Indian farmers need to meet the new global challenges posed by free trade. But it has not been able to tell them how to meet the challenge. Until then, farmers like Biju will continue to live in debt and more may take their own lives. Question: would cultivating Vanilla be a better idea? Is Vanilla grown commercially in Goa? -- Cheers, Gabe Menezes. London, England
Re: [Goanet]Re: NEWS UPDATE - another Saddam mass grave found in Iraq
On 13/05/05, Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mario replies: > Gabe, it would help the civilized discourse that we > are supposed to have on Goanet if you knew what you > were talking about. I have repeatedly made the case > that the WMDs are still hidden somewhere, whereas you > and the other anti-Americans keep repeating the fact > that they were not found in Iraq, without explaining > what happened to the ones Saddam had and used. RESPONSE: How could Saddam show WMD's that are not there? Even a primary school kid could be foxed by such a preposterous question that you put to us.The WMD's were decommissioned and in reality were not of such a magnitude as made out by the USA. That he used it against the Kurds did not mean he had tons of it. > Secondly, if you had looked up the war resolution > authorizing the liberation of Iraq you would know that > there were several reasons for the action other than > WMDs, including the need to depose Saddam and impose > freedom and democracy. So, the notion that it was an > afterthought is just flat out false, and reflects the > biased propaganda being spread by the newspapers you > and some of our Canadian friends seem to read. RESPONSE: poppycock, you will follow Bush blindly; what you do not answer on this Goanet is whether you would urge your progeny to do battle. You are full of praise for combating US troops - you should urge your kids to go there and do their bit. > What you are truly sad about it seems to me is that a > brutal dictator who was governing by terrorizing the > majority of Iraqis, killing his own people and looting > his own treasury, has been deposed. RESPONSE: Again you are bringing us down to your level - primary school stuff - there is not one of us on this goanet site that loves Saddam; I would state though that there are not many of us that would follow George Bush or your view either! > > Gabe writes: > > Everyday we hear of dozens of people being killed in > Iraq and we are told to be patient as this same sort > of thing took place after WW II in the reconstruction > of Japan and Germany. I was not born then, perhaps he > knows better - that there were mass atrocities being > committed in those countries after they were conquered > and it took awhile to calm down the situation. > > > Mario replies: > Gabe, we really don't care whether you are patient or > not. RESPONSE: Yes I know you don't care, nor does your President. What I am stating is that you are the one who plainly stated that peace would not come to Iraq in a short while and it would take time. You seem to have a lapse of memory perhaps when it suits or perhaps when you have no other avenue to turn to, like a cornered dog staving off the inevitable - being torn to pieces by the opposition. -- Cheers, Gabe Menezes. London, England
[Goanet]Re: Undir mujea mama chim utram!
--- Bernado Colaco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The dulpod Undir Mujea Mama carries four verses. Some times additional lines > are sung > along for example: Ai ai maia ia. > Ai lia lia lo. Ai lia lia lo > Ai lia lia lia lia samba lia lo > > Could any netter advise on the meaning of the above. Bernado: I was happy to spend some time at the main library in Panjim today researching the above. It so happened I was working on my current thesis "Bharatis and goans - similarity in facial features and hair-styles in the 14th century with Bharatis being the slight winners in fashionable footwear". The first line means: Bharatis are more melodious than goans. The second line means: Repeat the first line twice. The third line means: Repeat the second line twice and then go back to line one. So now you know the truth. Regards, George
Re: [Goanet]Re: NEWS UPDATE - another Saddam mass grave found in Iraq
--- Gabe Menezes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Also the author keeps asking the rest of us, the whereabouts of the WMD. His Government insisted that there were WMD's. When these were not found the rhetoric, is did you want Saddam to continue in Iraq. How truly sad, how one can conjure an excuse after the fact, for going to War! Mario replies: Gabe, it would help the civilized discourse that we are supposed to have on Goanet if you knew what you were talking about. I have repeatedly made the case that the WMDs are still hidden somewhere, whereas you and the other anti-Americans keep repeating the fact that they were not found in Iraq, without explaining what happened to the ones Saddam had and used. Maybe you are unaware that they really did exist, and there were 17 UN resolutions from 1991 to 2003 demending an accounting of them. UN resolutions, not US demands. Secondly, if you had looked up the war resolution authorizing the liberation of Iraq you would know that there were several reasons for the action other than WMDs, including the need to depose Saddam and impose freedom and democracy. So, the notion that it was an afterthought is just flat out false, and reflects the biased propaganda being spread by the newspapers you and some of our Canadian friends seem to read. What you are truly sad about it seems to me is that a brutal dictator who was governing by terrorizing the majority of Iraqis, killing his own people and looting his own treasury, has been deposed. Gabe writes: > Everyday we hear of dozens of people being killed in Iraq and we are told to be patient as this same sort of thing took place after WW II in the reconstruction of Japan and Germany. I was not born then, perhaps he knows better - that there were mass atrocities being committed in those countries after they were conquered and it took awhile to calm down the situation. > Mario replies: Gabe, we really don't care whether you are patient or not. Our goal right now is to secure Iraq and stop the killing by the people whom you support from killing other Iraqis in a futile attempt to turn back the clock. The notion that you had to have lived through WW-II to know about what happened then is preposterous. By this definition the world began when YOU were born.
Re: [Goanet]Glycerine in Indian beer?
On 13/05/05, Cecil Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: .. The guy who > performed this trick told me that this was glycerine which was only present > in Indian beer, probably as a preservative of some sort. If you allow the > 'glycerine' to flow out for about 2 minutes the beer then tastes distinctly > different. > > But a few beer industry experts I have questioned absolutely deny the > presence of glycerine in Indian beer. Does anyone know what is the truth of > the matter? > > Cecil > > Glycerine or finings is used to clear the beer, traditionally made beer will have the yeast settle at the bottom of the bottle or barrel. The beer we get has been cleared of the yeast to the best possible extent using finings and sometimes glycerine. Some good Belgian beers are not cleared and have that cloudy colour, one beer that comes to mind which is readily available here in London is hoegaarden :- http://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/83/248/ -- Cheers, Gabe Menezes. London, England
Re: [Goanet]Re: NEWS UPDATE - another Saddam mass grave found in Iraq
Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Are > you aware that Clinton's failure to respond to the > series of attacks from WTC-I to Saudi Arabia, Kenya, > Uganda, Somalia and Yemen only emboldened them > leading directly to WTC-II on 9/11. Het Mario, Please try and get your facts right before you write here. Unless, of course, there was an attack on Uganda that only you and George Bush know about. Mervyn3.0 __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
[Goanet]Re: NEWS UPDATE - another Saddam mass grave found in Iraq
The author indulges in sycophantic fawning over the Bush administration - to him, it can do no wrong. Not even a single mistake... I must remind the audience that no one is infallible. One must ask: does the author keep a poster of the president and other members of the administration on his bedroom ceiling? All the better to gaze at adoringly --- Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... __ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail
[Goanet]Re: CATHOLIC ???
--- Santosh Helekar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We ought to shine a bright light on all harmful religious ideas and > practices. We ought to > recognize that religion does not necessarily make a person good. There are > many among the > pious and religious who have a sick and depraved mentality, as well. They > should > never be allowed to hide behind any kind of religious immunity. There ought > to be no > limits on religious bashing on Goanet. I agree with Santosh and would rephrase his last sentence to read "When warranted and fact-based, there ought to be no limits on religious and ideological criticism on Goanet". In the 6 years I have been on Goanet, I have read justified and fact-based criticisms of the Catholic religion (pedophile priests, etc.). The only sick and depraved comments I have read have been made against Hindus, Indians, and Sikhs - at least one comment I protested a month ago. I also belong to another forum which frequently criticizes the govt. of Pakistan and the lack of democracy there, some of it related to honor killings, child labor and issues with Islamic law. I do not believe any religion or ideology should get a free pass. All public truths should be tested in a public way. For devout Catholics and devout religious people there are other devout discussion-lists devoted to their way of thinking, cloistered from the lens of public scrutiny. A place where one can feel secure and comfortable in one's biases and beliefs. Goanet is not such a place - it is the Anjuna flea market and not the Saligao Church. Regards, George
[Goanet]NIRMALA SAWANT to contest as INDEPENDENT
The people of Goa were shocked to learn that Ms Nirmala Prabhakar Sawant ex MLA of 14- Cumbarjua Assembly Constituency, Tiswadi ex Minister for Power, ex-Goa Pradesh Congress Committee, President, a staunch loyalist, quit the Indian National Party on 11th May 2005 dealing the second stunning blow to the INC bye-election stakes in Goa, the first being the INC Party High Command's decision to give the Benaulim Constituency seat to the NCP candidate Mr Francisco (Mickey) Pacheco when the local INC party unit had earlier stated that all five contituencies Taleigao, Cumbarjua, Benaulim,Margao and Poinguinim would be contested by INC Party only and tickets would be given to those that "sacrificed" their seats for the downfall of the Parrikar regime. So damaging was the situation following the resignation that All India Congress Committee General Secretary looking after the Goa desk Ms Margaret Alva took the assistance of Dr Wilfred Anthony De Souza the lone Nationalist Congress Party (NCP)MLA from the Saligao Constituency to plead with Ms Sawant to withdraw her resignation. The crowds at her residence five hundred metres from the Banastarim bridge was evidence of support and respect she commands in the constituency, who have now compelled her to contest as the people's candidate as an INDEPENDENT. This writer had a brief tele-talk with Ms Sawant on 12th morning. Ms Sawant bluntly admitted, though in a gentle tone, that Mr Pandurang Madkaikar (the candidate who she had contested against unsuccessfully in the June 2002 elections) had a) changed parties frequently (First he quit the INC party then contested and was elected on 1/6/2002 on MGP ticket. Later resigned from the MGP and joined the BJP (before the amended anti defection law came into force) Then resigned from BJP and now re-joined the INC party -- )but all for his "personal gains" (interestingly it was brought to the notice of this writer some time ago that the youthful Mr Madkaikar is an upcoming real estate developer and has in sheer violation of the ASI regulations built his bungalow within the 100 metres prohibited area of the Bom Jesus Basilica Old Goa) b) using the "party" for his personal gains and therefore as a loyal party worker (incidentally she is just one of the few loyal workers who has never ever defected to any other party right from inception --unlike the majority in the INC party Legislatures and the INC organisational unit) she felt humiliated to continue with such a party where loyalty is at a discount. But when this writer had a tele-talk with Mr Emidio Monteiro ex INC member who contested as an Independent he was not in agreement of Ms Sawants view. He felt that Ms Sawant too benefitted from the INC apparently referring to the properous Barge repairs industry of her family. He also stated that when he contested as an Independent he was asked by Ms Sawant then not to split the votes Again he states that Ms Sawant was amply rewarded for her loyalty she was given the ticket to contest thrice in the past and could win only once. To refute this Ms Sawant had earlier stated that it is not her intention to contest as an Independent but it is her party workers who have compelled her to do so to avenge the humiliation meted out to her. There is no doubt on the credentials of this school teacher whose father a freedom fighter was mercilessly tortured to death by the erstwhile Portuguese regime. Ms Sawant holds reveres the sacrifice of her father to the cause of the freedom struggle and her loyalty to the INC party stems from this singular event that has left an indelible mark on her psyche. This writer was given to understand by a INC party office bearer that prior to this drastic step Ms Sawant met the Indian National Congress President Madam Sonia Gandhi in New Delhi to explain her stand. She was asked to meet the Goa Desk In-charge Ms Margaret Alva who was then away in Kerala, but it seems the INC Party had made up their minds that Ms Sawant could wait -- for the moment those five that had made the "sacrifice to unseat Parrikar " need to be rewarded and this was final. Which meant she would have to campaign for the "defector' now a member of her party and this she was the cause of the resignation. Sadly one veteran INC voter from St Estevam this writer contact stated that the Indian National Congress Party's Constitution as amended by AICC meeting at Delhi on 18th December 1998 and its Rules as approved by the Congress Working Committee on 16th January & 17th March, 1999 despite a clear cut role for "primary" and "active" members is blissfully silent on those like Madkaikar and others -who change party loyalties as frequently as they do their undergarments. This writer spoke to several others in her constituency to gauge their opinion. About the loyalty to the INC party no one denies it even her worst critics agree that she is an INC loyalist may remain an INC loyalist ever after. They fel
[Goanet]Glycerine in Indian beer?
Some twenty years back I saw this curious trick performed at a bar. Place your thumb to cover the top of a full beer bottle. Overturn it into a glass of water. Gently remove your thumb. After some time you will see a fine strain of golden liquid slowly appearing in the water. The guy who performed this trick told me that this was glycerine which was only present in Indian beer, probably as a preservative of some sort. If you allow the 'glycerine' to flow out for about 2 minutes the beer then tastes distinctly different. But a few beer industry experts I have questioned absolutely deny the presence of glycerine in Indian beer. Does anyone know what is the truth of the matter? Cecil
Re: [Goanet]Re: NEWS UPDATE - another Saddam mass grave found in Iraq
Colin Britto wrote: > The comments below are of the type "if you are against American intervention in Afghanistan and Iraq, then you are pro Saddam and Taliban". > > This is a very simplistic evaluation of world events. The author swallows the "with us or against us" and other facets of the doctrine of the Bush administration without any critical thought whatsoever. > They fail to grasp this basic fact: Being against the US intervention in Iraq does not mean a pro-Saddam stance. Mario replies: Colin, what I have grasped is that you like to keep repeating yourself (see above) without feeling any need to explain your reasoning or provide any specifics. I looked in vain for YOUR critical thoughts on the Bush doctrine on confronting terrorism and supporting democratic movements with the long term expectation that spreading freedom and democracy will enhance world peace. I do believe that if you do not support us you are against us in the war against worldwide terrorism. Since you think this is so "simplistic", would you PLEASE give us your "sophisticated" opinion of how you can be against the US stand against terrorism without giving aid and comfort to our enemy - and yours as well as you will find out if you ever cross paths with them. The terrorists are psychologically sustained and feed on the opposition to the US of people like you. Are you even aware that it was Al Qaeda that first declared "war" against the US at the height of Bill Clinton's appeasement oriented administration? Are you aware that Clinton's failure to respond to the series of attacks from WTC-I to Saudi Arabia, Kenya, Uganda, Somalia and Yemen only emboldened them leading directly to WTC-II on 9/11. Do you even remember Osama calling himself the "strong horse" and the US a "weak horse"? No sign of the self-declared "strong horse" for several years now, just some audio and video tapes encouraging others to die, while he hides in some hole in the ground. All this was before Bush became president. Are you even aware that Saddam had violated 17 UN resolutions over 12 long years, was brutalizing his own people and looting the oil-for-food program, before Bush decided enough was enough? Shouldn't he have been removed just for this stuff, with no regard to any WMDs? Colin writes: > It is also rather amusing (and sad) that the author keeps hoping for WMD to be found in Iraq. Ignoring facts does not make them go away. Mario replies: When you finish laughing would you like to tell us what facts I am ignoring? Would you venture a guess as to how WMDs can disappear without a trace? Did you even know that Iraq had WMDs and had used these against Iran and the Kurds? Also, while you are at it, would you explain to us why, if Saddam had no WMDs, that he was unable to show this to the UN inspectors, which would have lifted the sanctions, and he could have gone on with his cushy dictatorship, mass graves and rape rooms, looting the Iraqi treasury, and you could have gone back to your sophisticated views of the world without a care fo all the Shia and Kurds that were being brutalized. >
[Goanet]BJP Man seeks Gujarat probe!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4543177.stm Top BJP man seeks Gujarat probe A former governor of the Indian state of Gujarat has said the government there had failed to act quickly to control riots three years ago. Sunder Singh Bhandari told the BBC that the role of the state government, which is run by the Hindu nationalist BJP, should be investigated. Mr Bhandari is himself a senior leader of the BJP. Gujarat saw large-scale violence in 2002 in which officials say more than 1,000 people, mostly Muslims, died. Human rights groups say the death toll was much higher. The riots were sparked off by an attack on a train in the Gujarati town of Godhra. The train caught fire and 59 Hindu pilgrims on board were killed. A Muslim mob is alleged to have carried out that attack although no one has been charged as yet. The Gujarat administration, led by chief minister Narendra Modi, has been accused of doing little to prevent the riots. Mr Bhandari says that the authorities did not take enough steps to control the violence. The Gujarat riots of 2002 left at least 1,000 people dead "Narendra Modi should acknowledge that the administration should have reacted faster to the situation," he told the BBC's Hindi service. Correspondents say Mr Bhandari's comments are likely to embarrass Mr Modi and the BJP. Muslims targeted Earlier this week, India for the first time published detailed figures on the number of people killed in the Gujarat riots. Junior home minister Sriprakash Jaiswal told parliament that 790 Muslims and 254 Hindus were killed, 223 more people reported missing and another 2,500 injured. Three years after the riots, no one has been brought to justice over the violence. Several cases which collapsed after witnesses retracted their evidence have later been reopened. Human rights groups say the authorities failed to take measures to prevent retribution against Muslims. Recently, a police officer said the Gujarat government had authorised the killing of Muslims after the riots, a charge the state government denies. Comment: Is this the new face of the BJP? If so it is to be welcomed - Shiri Parrikar of Goa please N.B. -- Cheers, Gabe Menezes. London, England
Re: [Goanet]Re: NEWS UPDATE - another Saddam mass grave found in Iraq
On 13/05/05, Colin Britto wrote: > The comments below are of the type "if you are against American intervention > in Afghanistan and Iraq, then you are pro Saddam and Taliban". > > This is a very simplistic evaluation of world events. The author swallows > the "with us or against us" and other facets of the doctrine of the Bush > administration without any critical thought whatsoever. > > They fail to grasp this basic fact: Being against the US intervention in Iraq > does not mean a pro-Saddam stance. > > It is also rather amusing (and sad) that the author keeps hoping for WMD to be > found in Iraq. Ignoring facts does not make them go away. RESPONSE: Also the author keeps asking the rest of us, the whereabouts of the WMD. His Government insisted that there were WMD's. When these were not found the rhetoric, is did you want Saddam to continue in Iraq. How truly sad, how one can conjure an excuse after the fact, for going to War! Everyday we hear of dozens of people being killed in Iraq and we are told to be patient as this same sort of thing took place after WW II in the reconstruction of Japan and Germany. I was not born then, perhaps he knows better - that there were mass atrocities being committed in those countries after they were conquered and it took awhile to calm down the situation. Cheers, Gabe Menezes. Wimbledon England.
[Goanet]Ritwik upsets top seed in Atlanta
Ritwik upsets top seed in Atlanta May 13, 2005 16:54 IST India's Ritwik Bhattacharya created a flutter when he upset top seed Mohd. Essam Hafiz of Egypt in straight games to reach the quarter-finals of the Atlanta Open Squash championship. The former National champion, who also has four PSA tour titles to his credit, thrashed his higher-ranked opponent 11-9, 11-7, 11-3 in just 25 minutes, according a statement from his sponsors, JCT Limited and Asahi Glass, in Delhi on Friday. This is the first time the Indian defeated a player ranked as high as 35 in the world. He will now meet Matt Guiffree of Canada, who had beaten Ritwik in the Quebec Open in Montreal earlier this year. The first game was a close affair with Ritwik matching his opponent shot for shot to reach 9-9 and then hitting two fine winners to take the lead. Thereafter, there was no stopping for the Indian, who is looking to break into the top 50, as he controlled the match and took the next two games easily. -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/
[Goanet]Anju to defend Qatar long jump gold
Anju to defend Qatar long jump gold May 12, 2005 18:56 IST World No. 6 Anju Bobby George will go up against Olympic champion Tatyana Lebedeva when she begins the new season defending her long jump title in the IAAF Super Athletics Grand Prix in Doha, Qatar, on Friday. The 28-year old Keralite, who won the gold with a wind-aided career-best jump of 6.82m in Doha last year, went on to improve her performance by a centimetre at the Athens Olympics, but still had to be content with sixth place, as World No. 1 Lebedeva led a Russian medal sweep, leaping to 7.07m. Lebedeva's compatriots Irina Simagina and Tatyana Kotava, who both cleared 7.05m, took the silver and bronze medals respectively. On Friday, Anju will also be challenged by former World champion Fiona May. The 36-year-old Italian has dropped down drastically in world rankings and was 15th in the latest ratings. Her best last season was a 6.62m, recorded in Istanbul. "My first priority is to defend the title," said Anju, before leaving her training base at the Sports Authority of India Southern Centre campus in Bangalore earlier this week. "That would set the pace for the events that follow," said Anju, who plans to take part in more than 20 international events this season. Anju, the first Indian to win a medal at the World Athletics Championships, when she won the bronze in Paris in 2003, has set clear goals for the season, which will culminate with next year's Melbourne Commonwealth Games. She wants to break into the top three world rankings, improve her position at the World championships in Helsinki and cross the milestone of seven metres more than once. The Customs officer will also participate in the Prefontaine Classic at Eugene, USA, next month, and thereafter the Asian Grand Prix series in Singapore, Malaysia and Bangkok, and European circuit events. "It's going to be a long season. I am planning to take part in 20 to 24 international meets this season culminating with the Commonwealth Games in Melbourne next year," Anju had said. "The Helsinki World Championships in August is the main focus. I am not only looking forward to defend the medal, but also to improve on that," said Anju, who will be returning to competition after a six-month break. -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/
[Goanet]Al-Ahed edge past Dempo
Al-Ahed edge past Dempo May 11, 2005 19:39 IST A second half strike by substitute Hassan Maatouk helped Lebanese club Al-Ahed to edge past Dempo Sports Club by a solitary goal in a Group 'B' match of the AFC Cup in Margao, Goa, on Wednesday. Al-Ahed, who had territorial advantage throughout the match, scored the all-important goal in the 72nd minute when Maatouk got the better of defender Raju Singh inside the box and beat 'keeper Abhijit Mondal from an acute angle at the Nehru stadium. Al-Ahed utilised the flanks well with long passes and could have easily won the return match, by a bigger margin had they not missed at least three clear chances. Dempo, who defended well, also had their chances to score but 'keeper Biilal Hachem brought off some good diving saves to thwart Ranty Martins and Clifford. The victory took Al-Ahed's tally to six points from three matches and brightened their chances of qualifying for the next round as the second best team. They have a match in hand against table-toppers Al Hussein, who have nine points from three victories. Dempo, who lost to Al-Ahed in the 'away' match earlier through a controversial goal, finished their league engagements, losing all their four matches. -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/
[Goanet]gulfnews.com: Poisonous spiders inject fear in residents
Percy Ferrao Ealing road spotted this article on http://www.gulfnews.com and thought you should see it. --- Note from Percy Ferrao Ealing road: --- --- To see this story with its photo and related links on the Gulf News website, go to http://www.gulfnews.com/Articles/RegionNF.asp?ArticleID=164664 ---
[Goanet]Picnic Songs trivia
Bernado Colaco wrote: The dulpod Undir Mujea Mama carries four verses. Some times additional lines are sung along for example: Ai ai maia ia. Ai lia lia lo. Ai lia lia lo Ai lia lia lia lia samba lia lo Could any netter advise on the meaning of the above. - Dear Bernado, "Undra Mujea Mama" belongs to the infamous "Aiyy" series of picnic songs - and not 'ai' as you have spelt it. 1) 'maia ya' is a corruption of the original lyrics "Mayem ya". Mayem as you must be knowing is a tiny lake in Bicholim taluka where you can hire those dastardly pedal boats to impress your girlfriend and by the time you realise that it was a mistake you're too exhausted to climb back up ashore. 2) Lia is a quite common Irish name. Legend has it that in 1845 or thereabouts a visual anthropologist named Lia Philcox came down to Goa to study the flower customs of Northern Goa. She was much liked by the locals, specially the flower vendors. Now Lia was a great Samba dancer and yearned for the time when she would be back in England and dance the Samba. Finally she could bear it no longer and taught some local men how to dance the Samba just so she could enjoy her favorite dance. Hence the lyrics. There are other versions too as to the origins of the lyrics which involve a snake charmer named Shamba Asknodkar and 'liya' as in 'to take' in Hindi. Thank you for asking. Cecil P.S. The 'samba' in question here has absolutely no connection with with 'arre oi Samba' from the movie Sholay. This suggestion by my competitor, South Goan researcher Jose Lourenco, has no basis in fact. Probably one of the reasons why can't get a decent publisher interested in his "Goan Picnic Songs" book
[Goanet]Rat my Uncle
Oscar C. Lobo wrote: "Perhaps, resorts in general in Goa owned by Goans may be delegating the recruitment of entertainment to non- goan management. I would expect resorts or hotels run by non-goans to have such troupes in their hotel/resort management. - Dear Oscar, Last 'season' I have had dinner one night at Casa Portuguesa (Calangute) and was served by waiters (all of them) from North Eastern Indian states who don't speak a word of Konkani or English. Even their Hindi was not up to scratch and each time we would have to summon the owner to translate our requests. I have a Goan client (for my printing business) who has a major restaurant in Candolim. He has only two Goan waiters left and the remaining are from other Indian states. The manager is a Keralite. My client can't get a Goan to work for him. I have asked owners of Goan beach side (i.e. tourist) restaurants why they can't hire Goan staff. At least the staff which actually interact with the clients should be Goan. They have varying opinions but largely this seems to be the consensus opinion. - Goans want white collar jobs - Some Goans would rather set up their 'own' shack/restaurant rather than work for someone else - however well paid. - Goans prefer going to the Gulf - Or to UK, Canada and Australia, where they will take on similar jobs - but not at home - Most Goan young males are looking for the opportunity to go abroad and if they do take on such jobs (example waiting at tables) it is just until such time they get that opportunity. I am not exaggerating when I say that almost every foreigner I have known, who has been on holiday here, has been requested by some Goan waiter/driver/vendor they befriended to take them abroad. So it is no surprise that we finally have non-Goans entertaining tourists in Goa with 'undra mojea mama'. There are no Goans left in Goa! Cheers! Cecil ===
[Goanet]India top group in Sudirman Cup
India top group in Sudirman Cup May 12, 2005 17:59 IST India stayed on course for promotion in the next edition of World Mixed Team Badminton Championship, for the Sudirman Cup, when they thrashed Scotland 4-1 for their third successive victory in Group 3B, in Beijing, on Thursday. The Indians, who topped the sub-group with identical wins over the USA and Wales earlier, will now meet the winner of Group 3A in the play-off to decide which team earns promotion to Group 2 in the 2007 edition of the championship. Only top eight teams in Group 1 have a chance to clinch the title while all other teams are divided into groups and earn promotion or are demoted to lower groups according to their performance. India were given a winning start by the mixed doubles pair of V Diju and Jwala Gutta, who played despite having fever, when they defeated A Bowman and M McEwan in straight games 15-4, 15-10. National men's champion Anup Sridhar made it 2-0 with a 15-4, 15-5 thrashing of C Goddard and Trupti Murgunde sealed the issue when she rallied to beat S Hughes 1-11, 11-7, 11-6 in 42 minutes in the women's singles. The men's doubles pair of Sanave Thomas and Rupesh Kumar, which had lost both their earlier matches, also got to winning ways as they got the better of Robertson and Bowman 15-1, 15-13 to make it 4-0 in India's favour. However, a clean sweep could not become a reality as a struggling Jwala and Shruti Kurian preferred to take it easy and went down 3-15, 1-15 in the women's doubles in just 15 minutes. After the match, Jwala said her throat was paining and her general condition was not good but the team management and the shuttler were hopeful that she could play her part in the crucial play-off tomorrow. Commenting on the matches, India's coach, Hadi Sugiyanto, said he was happy with the performance of the team as a whole but concerned about the health of Jwala, who has to play two matches -- mixed doubles and women's doubles. "The team is trying their best. Our aim is to qualify for Group 2 in the 2007 Sudirman Cup," the Indonesian coach said. India is most likely to play Poland, which has won both their earlier league matches and is facing lowly Bulgaria later today, in the play-off. About tomorrow's encounter, Sugiyanto admitted that it would be a "difficult" match but expressed confidence in the young team saying they had the fighting spirit and resolve to win. "I hope, we will win," Sugiyanto, who has been training the Indian team for just over a year, said. -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/
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Darren , My suggestion , keep focused in what you do. Do not get distracted in the side shows ! There are many who would like to see nothing good happen... rene --- Darren Fernandes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I am enquiring as to who posted a comment relating > to goanparty.com in > regard to some spelling mistakes in konkani. > > They obvioulsy have nothing better to do in their > lives than criticise. I > was forwarded this post and quite frankly whoever > this is cannot appreciate > how some young goan people are trying to keep the > younger generation of the > community together. > > > > __ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
[Goanet]Historical information on Vasco and Mormugao
This message is on behalf of Fr. Nascimento Mascarenhas who is presently collecting information of historical importance on the twin cities of Vasco da Gama and Mormugao. If any of the old timers and historians happen to hold and cherish some old memories, such as photographs or documents, Fr. Nascimento would love to have them and enrich our history for the benefit of future generations in his forthcoming book. Apparently, there are no records of interest in the various government offices in these cities and is very much frustrated by the ignorance and lack of interest in preserving old records. Any help you can give will be greatly appreciated by him. You may contact him directly by e-mail at <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> . Tel. 011-91-832-2512391 or at St. Andrew's Church, Vasco da Gama, Goa. He specifically requests: " documentation and especially old photos of Vasco and Mormugao ... wards. Kindly name [and date] the photograph from which area it is. I know there was power house in Baina, but no-body seems to know when it was founded during the portuguese regime. It is now in ruins and no sign of its foundation anywhere; as well as the railway bridge built by Britishers, now in Desterro parish near oil companies. When some years back the authorities wanted to demolish it to make way for its extension they used gelatins to destroy it and even then they did not succeed. But in the end it was rased to the ground and the present one built. It dos not bring the date of re-building also..This date is also not there. The old little cottages in the Municipality property in Vasco with beautiful gardens in front are gone an big buildings have come. Now they look ugly and the city too planned by Luis A. Maravilhas an engineer of repute who worked here in Mormugao in 1916, had planned a beautiful city circa 1922 and some things executed that too have disappeared. What remains now are buildings in ruins. The city of Mormugao was planned three times earlier than Maravilhas' plan, but not executed well and yet it is Goa's industrial and commercial city May be also other Goans who may have not have resided in Mormugao-Vasco also have some documentation, photographs etc"
Re: [Goanet]Re: CATHOLIC ???
--- P D <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Unbridled singling out of a single religious entity >is indicative of a sick and depraved mentality. While >encouraging free speech, Goanet Administration >should establish limits on religious bashing. Devout >Netters will otherwise be forced to quit instead of >being unwittingly held as a captive audience. > If the above is meant to suggest that all religions should be treated equally as far as criticism is concerned, I agree 100%. But if it is meant to give religion in general, or any particular religion, a free pass or some kind of special treatment, then I have strong objections. We ought to shine a bright light on all harmful religious ideas and practices. We ought to recognize that religion does not necessarily make a person good. There are many among the pious and religious who have a sick and depraved mentality, as well. They should never be allowed to hide behind any kind of religious immunity. There ought to be no limits on religious bashing on Goanet. Cheers, Santosh
[Goanet]Goan youth in Canada's newspapers
Folks, Both Canada's national newspapers had pictures of Goans on their front pages yesterday. The Toronto Star had a picture and story about increased financial aid for college students, which included a picture and story of a Goan girl. The Globe and Mail had an article on minorities in the police force which also included a picture/writeup on a Goan recruit. Toronto has over 8,000 Goan families. Mervyn3.0 __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
[Goanet]SCAMS in Goa - Deterrence is the need of the hour
- Documented by Goa Desc Resource Centre Ph:2252660 Website: www.goadesc.org Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Press Clippings on the web: http://www.goadesc.org/mem/ --- - Missing Deterrence - How one wishes it were a case of 'once bitten twice shy'! Yet it turned out to be a case of lust for fast buck, craze for becoming rich overnight. The dream of turning millionaires in an easy way has so gripped the ordinary Goans, particularly the middle class, that they chose to ignore the tragedies and miseries inflicted on several Goans by the non-banking financial companies not long ago and jumped into the lap of Salient Online, yet another financial cheat. The scam which was officially exposed a couple of days back revealed that a large number of Goans were duped by the so-called BPO company. The police is still working on the financial side and yet to ascertain the total number of registered users and calculate the amount involved in the transactions. Unofficial estimates put the money with which the cheats made off with to Rs 10 crore. Nevertheless there is a difference between the operations of the NBFCs and Salient. The latter had been using the modern computer techniques to boost its market image as well as reach; the target group was the home-worker and it maintained the facade of being a Business Process Outsourcing company with international clients and an established contract till 2007. The job involved simple data entry of records, each consisting of a handwritten name and a number scanned and uploaded on the company's website. Undoubtedly the scamster had a fertile brain ( usually scamsters are in possession of fertile brains); as they enticed the home-worker to work from home and buy a set of 50 records for a one-time payment of Rs 3000. This would enable the person to make 50 entries each day for a month (with weekly offs on Sundays) and receive a monthly payment of Rs 2,000. A person intending to make faster buck could take as many records as he or she desired for payment of Rs units of 3,000. The scamster simply played on the psyche of the people and exploited them. This was a mechanism to trap the person. This was the reason that many of the people who were caught into the web of the fraudulent gang could not suspect their motive till the day the company was raided by the police. The confidence of the operators in their modus operandi could be gauged from the simple fact that just a day ahead of closing their establishment they told the employees that the office would be shifted on Friday and they were even paid their dues. Intriguingly by the time the police reached the office, they had fled the scene. Though the police claims to be on the lookout for the culprits, the fact remains ( and even police admits it) that they do not have any details about the three top officials of the Chennai-based company; the manager, Ravi Shankar, the cashier, Shyam Sunder, and the chief executive, M Rajesh Sunderam. Though the Goa police have already alerted the police in Chennai and dispatched its officials to get details, the bare fact is that they utterly failed in their duty. The DIG, Mr Muktesh Chander patting his back undeservingly, said that only a few days before raiding the office ( actually the raid was carried out after they fled) the police had interrogated them. He also admits they could not take action as there was no formal complaint against them. Ridiculous! In the first place, if the police did not have any complaint, why did interrogate them? Secondly, what type of interrogation it was that the police does not have the basic information about the potential cheats; to which place they actually belong? What is their address? Who were they? Who was behind them? Did they enjoy any political patronage? The clarification of the police is certainly not tenable. Without receiving complaint they could not have summoned them for interrogation. Did the police take the precautionary measure to place the establishment under surveillance and immediately seek information from Chennai police about the veracity of their addresses? If not, why? Since the Goa police had come to know of their operations, was it not proper for them to gather more intelligence on the operators? The result is Goans have lost huge money again. Partly, the toomuchness of greed is to blame here. People want easy money. But the Goa police cannot get away. Too often have they explained away their inefficiency and ineffectiveness on the plea of political interference. Here was a case where there was no such interference. This case proves beyond doubt that the state police is crippled more by its lack of professionalism and experience in handling organised crimes. How many more crores Goans have to lose before our police can become professional?
[Goanet]Thanks For The Solidarity & Protection!
To, The Governor, citizens and netizens of Goa worldwide. Your Excellency and my dear concerned citizens, I am back at home... This is just a short note to thank each of you for the timely intervention, support and solidarity when my wife Muriel and our 8 year old son, was threatened by Arjun Harmalkar, the builder who continues to destroy with his construction work, the fragile ecology of the Conservation Zone at Saligao's, world famous Salmona Spring. A group of Saligaokars from the Salmona Pariyavaran Manch and the Saligao Civic and Consumer Cell accompanied Muriel to the local police station when she went to register her complaint. The Police Inspector in charge of Calangute Police Station promised immediate action. Others phoned or emailed the concerned authorities. Local villagers offered to spend the night at our house. One expat netizen even volunteered to pay for a personal body guard if needed. Our whole family is very touched and deeply appreciates all these gestures of solidarity. It is only with such solidarity and unity that we the local citizens can continue to fight the forces that wittingly or unwittingly are destroying Goa at so many different levels. We are heartened by the fact that your Excellency and certain sections of the bureaucracy and the Police force, are sensitive to the needs, fears, hopes and aspirations of local citizens and the future of Goa. To each of you in Goa and around the globe, many thanks once again from my whole family, for the protection and support afforded them when I was away from home. And of course...immense gratitude from me. Solidarity. Mario Mascarenhas. More information at: http://salmonafountain.swiki.net -- muriel & mario, 4/4 tabravaddo, opp. st. anne's chapel, saligao. bardez. goa. 403511. tel: 0832-278276 / 240 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> '
[Goanet]Music of Goa: from Ovi to Fred Disko
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_of_Goa Goa is a part of India, and has had historically closer connections with Western classical music than the rest of the country. Indigenous Goan music was incorporated into European music. Goa has also produced several pop stars, most famously including Remo Fernandes. Traditional Goan music includes religious music, theatrical music, art music, dance music and songs used to mark points like marriage. The most widespread kind of folk music in Goa was the mando, a kind of dance music that evolved out of wedding music, specifically the Ovi. Mando is meant for dancing, and, in contrast to the Ovi, uses a chorus. It probably evolved after the 1830s, when ballroom dance was introduced to the area. In modern times, Goa has become a home for electronic music, especially a style called Goa trance. This genre began its evolution in the late 1960s, when hippies from the United States, United Kingdom and elsewhere turned Goa into a tourist destination. When tourism began to die out, a smaller number of devotees stayed in the area, pursuing a specific style of trance music. Early pioneers included Mark Allen, Goa Gil and Fred Disko. .. Frederick (FN) Noronha | Freelance Journalist | Mobile +91 9822 122436 Tel +91.832.2409490| http://fn.swiki.net | http://www.bytesforall.org ..
Re: [Goanet]Re: CATHOLIC ???
On 13/05/05, P D <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Salus wrote: Have you given a thought that there may be many who actually > want > to read on subjects pertaining to religion? > > My reading of Sunil's (avertano teles) post was why do Goanetters > selectively pick on bashing Catholics? > > Could it be because Catholics simply roll over and turn the other cheek or > do some revel in self-flagellation? Or, the threat of fatwa, etc. RESPONSE: There is a certain amount of lee way and a point of line that, if crossed evokes outrage. I do hope the majority of Catholics on this forum are stronger after the criticisms! After all religion is a dogmatic belief and a faith which inspires. If one is sure of ones faith then nothing but nothing will deter that person, come what may.This I would add holds true for all religions. It is true in the West, Christianity is open to criticism and religions such as Islam, Sikhism and Hinduism would have their followers bearing down on any or all persons taking the 'Mickey' . Having said this there have been protests recently here in regards to shows such as Jerry Springer. Cheers, Gabe Menezes. London England.
Re: [Goanet]WAR ON IRAQ
(I have been one of the silent majority on Goanet, but I feel the need to speak out) As an American citizen, I fail to understand why the author does not realise that the reason the interim Iraqi govt has "asked the US troops to stay on" is because (drum roll) THEY HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE And with all the American troops there, there are still tens of casualties PER DAY... The author keeps hoping for WMD's to be found in Iraq, despite all the official reports of nothing there - Talk is cheap. Why does the author not hop on a plane and commence the search himself? Age should not be a factor - heck, they're re-enlisting 55 year olds here. Better yet, the author should enlist for the war he so ardently supports - and get all his family members to enlist as well. Ever wonder why he doesn't do this ? I'll bet he'll be singing a different tune, after he asks friends in the US to send him body armour. Maybe even Goanet members!! --- Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You are so totally uninformed about the US and the > situation in Iraq that I don't know where to start. > What is worse you either don't read anything I > write, > or you don't understand any of it, especially our > step > by step process of allowing the UN to do their job > first, and only intervening as a last resort. > > You dismiss the overthrow of Saddam Hussain as if > this > were a picnic, and then call for the overthrow of > other dictators - EXCEPT CUBA!!! You either don't > know that Saddam had and used WMDs or have no > explanation for what happened to them. You seem to > have no idea that it is the Sunni Baathists that are > targeting and killing their fellow-Iraqis right now, > with SUICIDE BOMBERS, in an attempt to deny them > freedom and democracy. You seem unaware that it is > the interim Iraqi government that has asked the US > to > stay until they can provide their own security. > > Your level of ignorance allows you to say that there > is an atmosphere of fear in the US. If this were > so, > why are millions of immigrants pouring into this > country every year? Your bogus information about > the > US, without any context or perspective, is rivalled > only by Mervyn and Jose. > > What country do you live in and what has that > country > done for anyone else lately? > > --- maurice dmello wrote: > > 15 of the 19 9/11 hijackers were Saudis and > Saudi > > money had funded Al > > Qaeda. Your country proclaims democracy and > > supports dictators or absolute > > rulers. It is a nation kept in constant fear by > > security alerts and lulled > > into accepting a piece of legislation, the USA > > Patriot Act, that infringes on > > basic civil rights. It is in this atmosphere of > > confusion, suspicion and dread > > that the Bush Administration made its headlong > rush > > towards war in Iraq. > > Agreed Saddam was brutal, so he is overthrown and > is > > jailed, no weapons of > > mass destruction (WMD) are found, elections are > > held, your mission is > > accomplished. When the guest has overstayed his > > welcome, the whole attitude of > > the host might change. Now it is time, for people > > with guts, to liberate > > other dictatorshiops, absolute rulerships in the > > area and free all the > > brutalized people of the world (Cuba excepted). > > > > > > __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250
[Goanet]Re: Vivian's response
Hi Vivian, Many thanks for your reply. It was much appreciated. Two points only for now: I was not aware that shoemakers in Goa would be classified as "untouchables" in the prevailing caste system and I am not sure this might be right. Hopefully, someone might enlighten us on this particular point. Secondly, I have worked on a small scheme to leave a friend's ancestral home to a local village as a small library but it has not yet been finalised. A major concern about ancestral homes is that the cost of maintenance is a big problem even if the home and the land for a designated purpose come free to local people. Akin to this, another possibility is to ship 'discarded' library books to institutions in Goa. Such discarded books are invariably not that old at all. They are simply discarded to make space for newer stocks. Clearly, there is the cost of sending them across to different destinations where they may be wanted but one embassy in London that I know has collected and shipped books from UK academics and their institutional libraries for use in home institutions in the Caribbean rather than see some excellent books pulped. Cornel
[Goanet]Fight! Fight!
There's great arguments going on at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3AGoa about the history of Goa.
[Goanet]Re: CATHOLIC ???
Salus wrote: Have you given a thought that there may be many who actually want to read on subjects pertaining to religion? My reading of Sunil's (avertano teles) post was why do Goanetters selectively pick on bashing Catholics? Could it be because Catholics simply roll over and turn the other cheek or do some revel in self-flagellation? Or, the threat of fatwa, etc. Goanetters should learn to be charitable and sensitive -- treating ALL religions with love and respect. Unbridled singling out of a single religious entity is indicative of a sick and depraved mentality. While encouraging free speech, Goanet Administration should establish limits on religious bashing. Devout Netters will otherwise be forced to quit instead of being unwittingly held as a captive audience. Pat de Sousa Maryland, USA .
[Goanet]Here for the beer!
http://www.thisisyork.co.uk/york/leisure/YORK_LEISURE_BARTALK0.html Thanks to http://www.goanvoice.org.uk for providing the link. FN Here for the beer! by Joshua Titley Gordon Campbell-Thomas who has travelled 7,000 miles for a pint of Yorkshire beer HOW far would you go for a pint of honest Yorkshire ale? Gordon Campbell-Thomas trekked 7,000 (that's seven thousand) miles for a taste of proper bitter. Setting off from his home India he finally reached York Brewery's newest pub, the Yorkshire Terrier in Stonegate, and sank a pint of his favourite beer... Yorkshire Terrier. His verdict? "Heaven, absolute heaven." Gordon was ostensibly in York to see his son get married, but took the opportunity "to fill up like a camel at an oasis". After living in York for 20 years, he now resides in Goa, a place of much charm but no decent beer. "They have got Kingfisher, but it's not English ale is it? It's bloody lager," he moaned. Even the ubiquitous log cabin "English Pub" only sells lager. And this on the continent for which IPA (Indian Pale Ale) was invented. "My brewery's the York Brewery," said Gordon. "Since coming back I have been to the Rook and Gaskill, the Last Drop Inn, the Three-Legged Mare and have visited the Yorkshire Terrier for the first time. "It's brilliant. It's got a good ambience and the beer is excellent." Readers will remember Gordon as the man who helped transform a York rubbish tip into St Nicholas Fields Nature Reserve. That was such a success that he was lured back to his family homeland, India, to work the same magic on a tip in Goa. Gordon's ancestors have been in India since the 1700s. Although he was born in Sheffield, he spent his first ten years in the country. He enjoyed being back in York for a week and his tastebuds will treasure the memory. "Al Jolson said he'd walk a million miles, well I've flown seven thousand. Not very sustainable, but real Yorkshire ale will sustain me for another year." u WE reported last week how two York comedians wanted to rock Gillygate pub Certificate 18 with laughter. But the outcome wasn't much fun. No one turned up. The gig, with Jones Mott and Randy Matthews, had to be cancelled. They are not about to hang up their microphones however. Jones thanks Cert 18 for its support but believes the pub, which mainly stages live music, is not the right venue for stand up. He is appealing for other publicans to consider putting on a comedy night. If you are interested, give Jones a ring on (01904) 338319. u BAR Talk was delighted to read more about the restorative nature of beer and pubs this week. In groundbreaking research Leeds University boffins discovered that men relax in pubs. That helps keep them healthy. There are lots of reasons why beer is good for you: it contains loads of B vitamins, 20 per cent of the recommended daily dose of fibre, and silicon, which strengthens bones. Bitter can even cut your cholesterol. We'll drink to that. Updated: 15:22 Friday, May 06, 2005
[Goanet]UPDATE OF OUR AVIATION PERSPECTIVE
1. HERALD May 12: "Patel, Chowdhury favour lowering taxes on ATF". This represents one of the first known coordinated efforts to attack the high cost structure of Indian aviation as one is the civil aviation minister and the other is the tourism minister. Both plan to jointly meet the Finance Minister and later the Home Minister. The approach to the latter would be for cutting immigration queues at airports. One point in the article which seems to have a direct bearing on Goa is the following: < Besides the ATF issue, the two ministers also discussed the progress made in upgradation of international and domestic airports, especially to receive international scheduled flights where charters are allowed to land at present".> The meaning of this sentence needs to be deciphered! Also what about meeting the Defence Minister? See last item in this post! 2. While on the subject of cost cutting, the following link may be of interest: http://www.business-standard.com/common/storypage.php?hpFlag=Y&chklogin=N&au tono=188792&leftnm=lmnu2&lselect=0&leftindx=2 3. HERALD again. May 13, 2005: "Govt considering IPO for AI and IA, LS told". This is about the intial public offering of PSU airline stock. The Minister also informed the lower house that the scheme for air travel concession to senior citizens stands amended as of April 4, 2005. Now there is NO need to purchase tickets 7 days before departure. 4. Yet another one in HERALD! May 13: "Kingfisher Airlines to break even in first year". It has leased 4 aircraft to launch operations. Initially there are to be double daily flights between Bangalore and Mumbai. This will rise to three by May 20. On June 6 there will be three daily flights between Bangalore and Delhi. By July end this will increase to 6 between Mumbai and Delhi. "We'll have 11 planes flying by December each logging 11 hours per day." A Rs 120 cr contract has been signed with IA for ground handling, engineering and maintenance support. Intriguingly, Kingfisher also plans to "buy surplus flight kilometres" that IA operates on non-profitable routes to keep (its own?) overheads and operating costs low. 5. A fly in the ointment? TIMES OF INDIA, May 13: "Jet set to start LoC service for army". This is to be an exclusive agreement to ferry army personnel on the Thoise-Delhi route wherein Thoise is a restricted area. In my books, Jet is the Reliance of Indian aviation. Its premium pricing strategy may depend in future on slow progress on relief from aviation infrastructure bottlenecks. By establishing a direct line of communication with the military, Jet may have got the jump on others in influencing (read "delaying") the lifting of military restrictions esp on lucrative sectors like Mumbai-Goa. Clever, right?
[Goanet]Goenkars beware identity theft beyond the grave.
http://www.gunaah.com/index.htm Dead men flying By Prashant Shankarnarayan Mumbai, May 12 Imagine?you have lived a major chunk of your life in your motherland. One fine day, you get an opportunity to leave for foreign shores, to earn a livelihood or maybe to simply roam around. You approach the concerned officials to prepare your passport. Therein lies the twist. Say the authorities, that you do not exist in this country. In fact, you have migrated to another nation ages back to earn your daily bread. Shocked! Now read the fact - many Indians have already faced such a situation, especially while travelling to Portugal. The reason behind this human smuggling involves a bit of history, culture and legalities. This phenomenon of sending false candidates abroad to Portugal is rampant in Goa and Daman. An astonishing fact is that, rather than certain Goans, who have the right to stake a claim for Portugese nationality, it is the Gujarati community that has capitalised on the legal loopholes, or can we say opportunities! To start with, let us take a peep into history. On 18th December 1961, the Indian military annexed the then Portugese occupied areas of the Indian Union i.e. Goa, Daman and Diu. According to the Portugese legislation, any citizen of Goa, Daman and Diu, born in these territories before 18 December 1961 can apply for Portugese nationality. The 1975 Portugese National Law also holds that, descendants of those born before 1961, until their third generation, can apply for a valid Portugese passport. This is because Portugese government concluded that, in 1961, Indian citizenship was imposed on the residents of those territories. Hence those nationals should be provided with an opportunity to obtain Portugese citizenship, if they declare their intention and register their births and deaths at Lisbon. Ironically Portugal approves dual citizenship, a concept, which the Indian government does not acknowledge. However, many non-eligible Indians took this rule as an opportunity to gatecrash into Portugal and then other European nations. These illegal entrants take the assistance of various agents or touts. This whole racket has become a flourishing industry in itself, so much so that these touts are advertising their services openly in Goa and Daman. However, the Goa consulate, as well as the Portugese officials prefer to keep mum about these activities. Even though the middlemen have a prominent role to play in such rackets, the role of the embassy and consulate officials cannot be ignored. However, such matters never come to light and this business continue to thrive. Generally these criminals posses the TEORs of the residents of Goa, Daman and Diu. A TEOR is the birth certificate of a person, born during Portugese rule. These agents sold the TEORs to many Gujarat citizens, notable amongst them are the residents of Kheda Jilla, Nadiad, Dholka, Vaso and Anand. It has also been observed that many Gujarat residents migrated to UK with the help of these fake certificates. Another shocking fact is that, these culprits obtained the details of dead Catholic citizens from graveyards and used them to fabricate documents. By the time the average Goa and Daman resident came to know about this scandal, many people had already moved to Europe under false names. This scandal came to light when a certain Mr. Nazim Samsudin complained to the officials. Mr. Samsudin applied for Portugese nationality in the year 1998. He submitted all the required documents and details to the Portugese Consulate at Goa. However, in January 2001, he received a letter from the officials, stating that someone else had already been registered under his name in the year 1986. Soon other citizens too complained of similar incidents and the police took up this matter seriously. However, in the fake certificate of Nazim Samsudin dated 7-3-86, a certain glitch can be spotted. The culprit, who has forged Samsudin?s signature has signed the certificate in Hindi (Devanagari script), but assuming a different name. Had this slip-up been spotted and reported then, maybe this racket could have been nipped in the bud. Many gangsters and terrorists too have followed this route to escape to other countries. Masood Azhar, the Islamic terrorist, who was demanded to be released by the hijackers of an Indian Airlines passenger flight in the year 1999, was in possession of a fake Portugal passport in 1994, when he was arrested in India. Gangster Abu Salem (read box on page 1) too was caught in Portugal. This phenomenon exists in case of non-European nations too. Says Addl. CP, Mr. Parambir Singh, ?A few years back I handled a case wherein a producer was smuggling people to Canada. Even though the main culprit died before we could arrest him, we managed to nab the agent.? The recent Daler Mehndi incident is a glaring example. Though he was acquitted, his brother stays booked for illegally transporting people under the guise of crew members. One can spot illegal
[Goanet]Is it ethical to buy second hand clothes that were sent as aid?
I would like to thank all of those who responded to my query on this subject. Thanks to all the information and opinions I have now decided that it is perfectly ethical to buy such clothes. Cecil
[Goanet]Undir mujea mama chim utram!
The dulpod Undir Mujea Mama carries four verses. Some times additional lines are sung along for example: Ai ai maia ia. Ai lia lia lo. Ai lia lia lo Ai lia lia lia lia samba lia lo Could any netter advise on the meaning of the above. Kind regards B. Colaco ___ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Vivian's quote from Sir Walter Scott's Lay of the Last Minstrel
(Canto Sixth) Breathes there the man with soul so dead Who never to himself hath said, This is my own, my native land! Whose heart hath ne'er within him burned, As home his footsteps he hath turned From wandering on a foreign strand! If such there breathe, go, mark him well; For him no minstrel raptures swell; High though his titles, proud his name, Boundless his wealth as wish can claim Despite those titles, power, and pelf, The wretch, concentred all in self, Living, shall forfeit fair renown, And, doubly dying, shall go down To the vile dust from whence he sprung, Unwept, unhonored , and unsung. - Sir Walter Scott was a renowed Scottish poet and novelist. He was born in Edinburgh on August 15th, 1771. Scott first trained as an attorney, but he soon turned his love of writing into a successful career as an author and poet. His narrative poem, The Lay of the Last Minstrel (1805), was his first work to gain widespread popularity, and it continues to be well known today. At age 26, Scot was married to Charlotte Margaret Carpenter, the beautiful daughter of a French refugee. The couple lived quite happily for many years. Later, Scott faced bankruptcy as a result of the debt he accumulated while building the Abbotsford House, which Scott called home for most of his life. He wrote almost continuously to pay off his debts. His wife died after 29 years of marriage, leaving Scott heartbroken. Scott's health began to fail during the last years of his life. Yet, he continued to write both prose and poetry until his death in 1832. Not only is he remembered as an influential poet, but also as the creator of the historical novel. Scott is believed to have lived his life as a kind, moral, patriotic and intellectual man, and in his novels he combined these traits with historical facts to create some of the world's best known stories. About the Poem The affection with which people view their homeland is an almost universal phenomenon, but it reached a new level of meaning with the rise of the modern nation state and the emphasis on patriotism. One of the best known poems celebrating this "state of mind" is the verse by the Scottish nobleman, aptly named Sir Walter Scott. - Source: http://www.legallanguage.com/poems/BreathesThere.htm -- Cecil Pinto Trivia News Service ==
Re: [Goanet]Wendell Rodricks lament and Cornell;s view point.
--- Vivian D'Souza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > cement your nostalgic ties to Goa > by > buying a piece of Goa etc. And do something for > Goa, > be it your church, your temple, your masjid, your > village. A very sensible suggestion. Cheers, Gabriel de Figueiredo. Melbourne - Australia. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com
