*** Goanet News Bytes * May 14, 2005 * Sailing, cafreal, Egypt...
## # Don't just read the news...discuss it. Learn more about Goa via Goanet # # Goanet was setup in 1994 and has spent the last decade building a # # lasting Goan non-profit, volunteer-driven network in cyberspace. # # Visit the archives http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/ # # To join, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and ask to join Goanet. # ## [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] G o a n e t - N e w s B y t e s MAY 14, 2005 DATELINE: GOA / d8 Founded in 1994 e88~88e e88~-_/~~~8e 888-~88e e88~~8e _d88__ by Herman 888 888 d888 i 88b 888 888 d888 88b 888 Carneiro 88_88 | e88~-888 888 888 __888 888 --- / Y888 ' C888 888 888 888 Y888, 888 http://www.goanet.org Cb 88_-~ 88_-888 888 888 88___/ 88_/ Y88D Full details about Goanet are at http://www.goanet.org You can subscribe to the Goanet/GoanetDigest via that site. To unsubscribe from this list, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you find this ezine useful, please recommend it to your friends and others from Goa. To sign-up http://newsfromgoa.swiki.net http://www.goanet.org * http://www.goanet.org * http://www.goanet.org [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] IN TODAY'S EZINE: Some special updates on what Goanetters are saying and what Goans are talking about in cyberspace. Send in your feedback to goanet@goanet.org and check the site at http://www.goanet.org PANJIM DOORDARSHAN (local TV) to restructure programmes. (NT) The centres shows a miserable 30 minutes daily programme in Konkani, and another 15 in Marathi. Private players offering news through the cable TV network -- Goa 365, Goa Plus, Panjim Newsline -- put out a longer programme with far less resources and staff. o NIO scientist Dr Baban Ingole on global tsunami expedition. (NT) o Tube wells depleting Socorro water. (H) o Saline water destroying Carambolim fields. (H) GOMANTAK TIMES continues it's front-page campaign against the CrossChem firm, which has been working to remove the Salgaocar-chartered River Princess vessel from just metres away from the Candolim coast. (GT) THERE'S SAILING FEVER in Goa, with races for youngsters being held around May 12. Organised by the Goa Yachting Association, this is a national event. GYA joint secretary Ashwin Tombat says, The country's three biggest sailing centres are Mumbai, Chennai and Goa. (GT) o Driving schools spin money; training takes a back seat. (GT) Politics, and more -- o Government servants reminded to be impartial during poll. (NT) o Monte Cruz files nomination for Benaulim, amidst slogans. (H) o BJP candidate files low-key nomination for Poinguinim seat. (H) o Janata Party to contest three seats in Goa's June 2 polls. (NT) o Churchill is with us in Benaulim, claims UGDP. (NT) o Kuttikar files nomination papers from Cumbharjua. (NT) o Congress demands probe into BJP concessions to power guzzlers. (GT) o Salcete jt mamlatdar enrolling bogus voters, alleges Parrikar. (H) o Pilgao sarpanch voted out of power. (NT) DR WILFRED DE SOUZA argues that voters should back the former BJP supporting MLAs in the June 2 elections, to approve their decision to topple the BJP government and teach the saffron party and its leaders a lesson of their life. (NT) - DEATHS OBITUARIES - CANACONA: Salvador Fernandes, freedom fighter. Father/in-law of Magdalena/Domingos Cardozo. DONA PAULA: David J Rodrigues, b 1944. Husband of Adelina. PERNEM: Pedro Jerome Fernandes, Vaidongor, Parsem. Father/in-law of Antonette/Felix D'Souza, Lucia/Simon Pacheco, Custodio/Thelma Fernandes. PORVORIM/KHANAPUR/EX-ICC KUWAIT: Anthony C Fernandes, son of Caitan M/Mary. Husband of Veronica. Father of Noel (Dubai) and Adv Nora (Bombay). - GOA SPORTS - Defending champions Royal Bombay Yatch Club came back from a race down to beat Goa-1 in a tough three-match encounter, and grabbed the team sailing title in the Optimist Coastal National Championship at Hawaii Beach, Dona Paula. (H) BIG WINS FOR PILAR, TROPA: Fr Agnel Pilar scored a thumping 13-0 win over a hapless St Estevam SC in a group encounter at the Air India under 16 football. Tropa SC proved too good for rivals
[Goanet]Re: False assertions
Fr. Ivo D'Souza wrote: Let us respect those who believe that there is no God, as well as those who believe, with Reason enriched by Faith, that God is our Creator and loving Father. Fr Ivo A couple of questions: 1. Is God male, hence father? 2. Is God a white European male like most racist pictures depict him to be? 3. If God is beyond gender, why refer to God as father? 4. If father is merely use of language and does not detract from Creator, why not Mother? Regards, George
Re: [Goanet]Re: NEWS UPDATE - another Saddam mass grave found in Iraq
Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My Dear, dear Mario, Please give it up; too many people to handle! You have the wrong person I don't know what you are talking about in regard to Uganda! Perhaps your good adversary who has now progressed to 3.0 can help you out.check below. Gabe, I have tried my level best to engage Mario in private email so as to spare the other 7,000 members here the agony of going thru a deteriorating discussion. Strangely enough, Mario does not reply to my private emails. In addition, he has now chosen to close his eyes and not respond to my postings on Goanet. I recently posted what The Globe and Mail reported on WMD in Iraq, and despite an additional private request for a response, he has kept silent :-( Mervyn3.0 A man who confesses to small faults hopes you will think he has no big ones. __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
[Goanet]Everything has a limit
Bonefacio Lopes wrote ...Salus correia starts his note SUNIL/AVERTANO WHOEVER YOU REALLY ARE, didn't your folks teach you how to address people. No one on the net is whoever Mr. salus its very important you show respect towards each other while addressing... I have every respect for every one everywhere, but when someone has an address with one name and signs off with another name, well that is surely confusing. There have been so many instances in the past where people post on Goanet using false ids etc, and the post in question made me think this was another such case! And I definitely had no intention of disrespecting anyone. And if someone has felt disrespected, here are my apologies. Cheers Salus
Re: [Goanet]Re: NEWS UPDATE - another Saddam mass grave found in Iraq
Mario, I had previously written: Het Mario, Please try and get your facts right before you write here. Unless, of course, there was an attack on Uganda that only you and George Bush know about. Mervyn3.0 To which you replied: Very good observation, Gabe! Mario, I am wondering if it's possible to refrain from name calling here on this forum. Can we come to a gentlemans sgreement on this? Mervyn3.0 __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
Re: [Goanet]False assertions and How did science begin?
Santosh wrote: Would he feel the same about Zoroastrian revelation? In reponse to the above from me Fr. Ivo Da C. Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --William of Ockham did not speak about it, to my knowledge... Neither do I answer... This answer or non-answer and all others like it in Fr. Ivo's last two posts are not very convincing, insightful or helpful. Perhaps, believers find them satisfactory. As far as I am concerned, Fr. Ivo has not told us why Science should defer to Christian theology and philosophy on the subject of understanding the origin of the universe and the origin of humankind. Cheers, Santosh
Re: [Goanet]Re: NEWS UPDATE - another Saddam mass grave found in Iraq
Colin is so upset that Saddam Hussain was removed from power that he will continue to repeat what everyone knows, that the WMDs were not found, over and over again. I have made a detailed case of why I think the WMDs are still hidden somewhere, but Colin has not responded to a single point that has been made with any specifics of his own, which proves he has no idea what he is talking about. For the record, all the Bush administration has said is that the WMDs were not found in Iraq, not that they were disposed off. There is NO evidence that they were disposed off. The the UN asked Iraq to account for 12 years (why would they do that if they - the UN), not the US - thought there were NO WMDs?). Saddam provided NO evidence that he had disposed off the WMDs, which eventually led to him being deposed. Since providing this evidence would have preserved his dictatorship, it makes NO SENSE, to anyone but Colin and a handful of his anti-American friends, to believe that the WMDs were, in fact, disposed off. Besides, the WMDs were only one of a whole series of reasons, officially given by the Bush administration for the liberation of Iraq, but Colin seems uninterested in any facts. --- Colin Britto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The author must realise that it is just HIS case that WMD still exists. No-one else (even BUSH officials) believe this any more.The author is free to believe exactly what he wants to believe and ignore ALL facts. However - that doesn't make the facts go away...
[Goanet]Re: Homosexuality in the human population
Ricardo Nunes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If there is no norm against homosexuality, should there be norms against born pedophiles, born burglars, born arsonists and so forth ...the utmost care should be exercised to prevent contagion beyond the original 5% divine purpose, before the norm turns otherwise. Pedophilia, burglary and arson are crimes. Homosexuality is not a crime. This talk of divine purpose and other such parochial religious pronouncements have no value in modern secular society, except for believers of these doctrines. One man's divine purpose is another man's destructive antisocial agenda. Religion like sexuality should be kept private. Cheers, Santosh
[Goanet]Re: False assertions
Fr. Ivo wrote: ... Let us respect those who believe that there is no God, as well as those who believe, with Reason enriched by Faith, that God is our Creator and loving Father Well said Fr. Ivo! I couldn't have said it better!! Cheers salus
RE: [Goanet]Re: CATHOLIC ??? George!
--- halur rasho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The comment below is why I believe secularism is doomed in India and among Indians. Actually, these religious commentators are not proud of their Indian heritage. Indeed, this one in particular from down under abhors the entire ancient Indian culture, including such simple, innocuous things as our traditional garments. There may be others who do not call themselves Indians, clinging to all kinds of political and legal technicalities. To be fair, some of this might be in reaction to the atrocious excesses of the Hindu fundamentalists and Indian nationalists who were in power until recently, and to the military invasion of Goa in 1961. However, it does seem as if there is a kernel of truth to the notion that if some of these folks had their way, they would, in a manner analogous to the RSS/VHP Hindu fundamentalists, do away with secularism, and impose a Christian theocracy, or a Western imperialist dominion over India. Cheers, Santosh
[Goanet]Re: Music of Goa: from Ovi to Fred Disko
You needn't lament about that. Just go and fix it -- obviously with an NPOV (neutral point of view). Wikipedia allows every to contribute. FN [Goanet]Music of Goa: from Ovi to Fred Disko Bernado Colaco goanet@goanet.org It is a shame that Maestro Antonio Figueiredo the father and protagonist of the now Kala Academy is not mentioned in this report. B. Colaco .. Frederick (FN) Noronha | Freelance Journalist | Mobile +91 9822 122436 Tel +91.832.2409490| http://fn.swiki.net | http://www.bytesforall.net ..
Re: [Goanet]Re: mario bushy bushy whack whack...
With some Goanetters, the ignorance is so bliss or so callous, 'tis folly to say anything more. --- percy ferrao [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes Gaby, with the knowledge Mario has on Post Saddam Iraq, Bushey could even appoint as the President of the Republic of Iraq !! Percy Ferrao Ealing Road
[Goanet]A one man crusade by Mario Mascarehans for Salmona !
Hi Mr. Mario Mascarenhas, Like you, I have also just returned after a brief gap/break from (the Goanet postings accumulated inspite of my several requests for unsubscribing), from an assignment in Nouakchott, Mauritania! Whatever happened to the Saligao panch(es) in place who issued the licence for the Salmona Zor'r (development), and atleast one/two guys you yourself have voted for. Why your fight cannot be targetted towards them. Just curious! It appears that you have left all hope in your local MLA, Dr. W.A. DeSouza, NCP (ex-Congress) and hence getting your grievances redressed through the Governor who will be just a few weeks on the job! Why is it that you do not get the local (elected) five (5) panches (representatives from Saligao) involved in this issue. Isn't it true that they have issued the licence(s) to the chap who is putting in his money on the construction. Also it appears that the local Patrakars (news reporters/internet savvy - some from the Saligao constituency) in your vicinity (as well as the site in question) does not utter a word on Salmona ! Was he also threatened by the Saligao developer? Are we to be surprised that Dr. W.A. DeSouza is not taken any keen interest in the this affair? If your local MLA cannot assist, why keep/elect him ? I sincerely hope that this episode will not affect the good old Doctor's chances of getting himself elected one last time from the Saligao constituency before he fades away liked the Maie de Deus Church illumination(courtesy BJP)? AlmeidaG(ji) http://www.goa-world.com Thanks For The Solidarity Protection! muriel mario goanet@goanet.org Fri May 13 11:42:14 2005 To, The Governor, citizens and netizens of Goa worldwide. Your Excellency and my dear concerned citizens, I am back at home... Mario Mascarenhas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gulf-Goans e-Newsletter is moderated by Almeida Gaspar (AlmeidaG(ji)) since 1994 and presented by Ulysses Menezes, owner of http://www.goa-world.com website. Any and all postings from Goans are welcomed - be they of small scale business promotion or of a personal nature. We do not charge nor have any hidden charges for this service, which is dedicated to Goans in Goa, or elsewhere around the globe. We are happy to be of assistance to all Goans - be they artistes (Kala Academy Award Winners or to the Amateurs who have just shown on stage), reporters, photographers, writers, singers, or supporters of Goa's traditional sport - football or the dirieos. http://www.goa-world.com/ team and founders are always the first to get you in the limelight whether someone claims they are before 1994 using Net resources or later - in the Goan field of sports, politics, social, cultural, educational, other actitivity (ies) or to the benefit of mankind, in general.
[Goanet]Re: Keralite Goans and North Indian Goans speak better Konkani
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Keralite Goans and North Indian Goans speak better Konkani and are proud to speak Konkani than many of US. At least they will keep the language alive. Dear Carlos, I thank you for that INFO I wonder who US refers to I wonder HOW you know that for a fact I wonder WHICH Konkani you refer to I wonder what you mean by Konkani. North Indians PROUD to speak Konkani hanh? I'll remember to add it to the joke section of my website good wishes jc http://www.colaco.net _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
[Goanet]Goanet News Bytes * May 13, 2005 * Afroz shows the way...
[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] G o a n e t - N e w s B y t e s MAY 13, 2005 DATELINE: GOA / d8 Founded in 1994 e88~88e e88~-_/~~~8e 888-~88e e88~~8e _d88__ by Herman 888 888 d888 i 88b 888 888 d888 88b 888 Carneiro 88_88 | e88~-888 888 888 __888 888 --- / Y888 ' C888 888 888 888 Y888, 888 http://www.goanet.org Cb 88_-~ 88_-888 888 888 88___/ 88_/ Y88D Full details about Goanet are at http://www.goanet.org You can subscribe to the Goanet/GoanetDigest via that site. To unsubscribe from this list, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you find this ezine useful, please recommend it to your friends and others from Goa. To sign-up http://newsfromgoa.swiki.net http://www.goanet.org * http://www.goanet.org * http://www.goanet.org [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] IN TODAY'S EZINE: What do you do if you're 30, Muslim and from an orthodox family? Check out how Afroz Shaikh teaches women -- across religion and other lines -- the art of self-defence. Two new CDs now make it to the stands in Goa, including one that is guaranteed to evoke Lusostalgia. MS AFROZE SHAIKH (30), the youngest in an orthodox Muslim family, has formed self-help groups and teaches women the art of self-defence. The fighter she is, Shaikh has organised groups cutting across religious and other lines and changed the way people think about Muslims and women. She was awarded the expat Goa Sudharop -- http://www.goasudhorop.org -- award in 2003. (GT) FROM THE WORLD OF ACADEMIA: Ms Anita Raut Desai's PhD Viva Voce will be held in the Goa University's Department of Political Science on May 17, 2005 at 3 30 pm on the topic, 'Voices in the Liberation Struggle: The Case of Goa 1947-1961'. Her guide was Prof Peter R De Souza, says a press note from Dr Aureliano Fernandes. (Goanet) FOR RUI MADRE DEUS, general manager of Ronil Beach Resort, food is more than just a passion. It's more of a longstanding love affair for someone who learnt the finer nuances of cooking in his mother's kitchen, and who has spent years studying Goan food and chronicling its history, writes Reuven Proenca. Rui says: A recipe is like a religion; it cannot be changed. (GT) ARAMBOL'S LAKE: There is little doubt that the little freshwater lake in Arambol, linked to the ocean as naturally as an egret on a buffaloes back, is a natural 'heritage monument', writes Vikram Sundarji. (GT) MELODIOUS SOUNDS: Two new CDs -- one video, one audio -- have been released. VCD Saudades is a collection of favourite Portuguese songs (singers include Dr Francisco Colaco, Jose Velho Pereira, Fausto Collaco, Zezito, Fernanda, Elaine, Anabelle, Daniella, Gina and Giselle Colaco and Elaine da Cruz). Goa Goes Instrumental features Andy Norman of London on the Trumpet. An Augustinho Da Cruz production. PURPLE RAIN, the Goan pop and Rock band, has released their maiden album at Merces, exactly 20 years after the group was formed. This band consists of Acacio Tavares, Frankey Fernandes, Marcelino Fernandes, Edwin Rodrigues and Emman Dias. (H) FEAST OF THE BAMBOLIM Fulancho Khuris (cross) will be on Sunday, May 15. Masses at 6.30, 9 am (feast mass) and 5 pm. COMUNIDADE OF PARRA and residents of Parra, Assagao and Anjuna have all opposed the proposal of the Parra panchayat to acquire 5000 sq metres of land in Arradi, Parra for the dumping of garbage. (H) See the voting on environmental issues in Goa http://www.goanet.org o In the 2004-05 tourism season, some 713 charter flights landed in Goa, up by 30 percent from the previous year. Charters came in from the UK, Germany, Switzerland, Sweden, the Benelux countries, Hungary and Russia (including St Petersburg). Compared to 24 flights a week in 2003-04, there were 32 per week, prominent players in the tourism circuit were quoted saying. (GT) o Power workers to strike May 31, June 1 to protest privatisation. (H) o Government terminates 27 Goa Electronics Limited contract workers.(GT) o Two sustain major injuries in oxygen cylinder blast at Curtorim. (H) Politics, and nothing else! --- o Young cinematographer and member of the Sangh (RSS) cadre Sharmad Trivikram Raiturkar (29) is the BJP's candidate for Margao. He will take on real estate developer and Congress' Digambar Kamat. o Congress flays BJP for fielding 'RSS candidate' in Margao. (H) o Zuwarkar opts out of the election fray; Taleigao seat. (Herald) o Stop tirade against Governor Jamir, Shantaram Naik (CongI) warns
[Goanet]Re: NIRMALA SAWANT to contest as INDEPENDENT
godfrey gonsalves wrote: The people of Goa were shocked to learn that Ms Nirmala Prabhakar Sawant ex MLA of 14- Cumbarjua Assembly Constituency, Tiswadi ex Minister for Power, ex-Goa Pradesh Congress Committee, President, a staunch loyalist, quit the Indian National Party She must be regretting why she did not resign from INC much earlier. A party of the corrupt, for the corrupt, and by the corrupt. Regards, Carlos Is'nt that the same party that has bloated on JAI HIND? AdeT
[Goanet]Homosexuality in the human population
To have a deviation you need a norm; to have a norm you need to have a human concern. God is pure freedom, He fatherly loves all His creatures the same and knows not sin from virtue, microbe from dying child, sun light from typhoon. So norms are what they are, and are ours. Lots of famous Greeks (and Brits) were gay, certain Amerindian tribes may indulge in gay frolic, under stress entire mice colonies go gay. If there is no norm against homosexuality, should there be norms against born pedophiles, born burglars, born arsonists and so forth (within a reasonable percent cap)? Species survival is an essential concern wherefrom we concoct rules on eating, resting and fornicating. Am I saying that we should discriminate gays or suttee roast our gay relatives? Not at all, but the utmost care should be exercised to prevent contagion beyond the original 5% divine purpose, before the norm turns otherwise. Arjun
[Goanet]Re: IT hub in Goa.
One of those really rejuvenating articles. I always had hopes in Goas development inspite of looking hearing different tales of our land. I totally agree with Alan Andrews views. This article shows how we Goans can improve the present from mistakes of the past. We should not wait to think what the other can do for us but just move forward sharing the best with all towards a better future. Danny Fernandes (Dubai - UAE)
[Goanet]Re: False assertions
--- Fr. Ivo Da C. Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can time start without Superior Intelligence? Certainly not. What is the rationale for the above statement? How did you arrive at this conclusion. Is it a self-evident truth? Objective scientific evidence indicates that the emergence of any kind of intelligence (superior or inferior) in nature requires the emergence of a brain or a nervous system. There is absolutely no objective evidence or rational basis for a disembodied intelligence. --It is a metaphysical, self-evident principle. Let science not encroach in the field of Metaphysics and Theology. Science wil not, and cannot, answer this question. Why? Why is Metaphysics and Theology superior to Science in answering this question? And, theology of which religion knows the right answer? What if Buddhist and Christian theologies give conflicting answers? --Metaphysics and Theology have their own field of research, different from that of empirical Science. Let Science stick to its own field. Let theologians discuss about the conflicting answers... Ockham's razor cannot be applied, according to William Ockham himself, to the truths revealed by Christian Revelation. In the interest of truthful disclosure of conflicts of interest, it should be revealed that William of Occam was a Christian priest - a Franciscan monk. It is not surprising that he made an exception in regards to Christian revelation. --Precisely because William of Ockham knows what he is talking about... Would he feel the same about Zoroastrian revelation? --William of Ockham did not speak about it, to my knowledge... Neither do I answer... Ivo da C.Souza
[Goanet]Re: How did science begin?
--- Fr. Ivo Da C. Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is impossible to have objective evidence in this area. Not true again. Hypotheses about the origins of the universe and of humankind can certainly be supported by objective evidence. For instance, the 2.726 degree Kelvin cosmic microwave background radiation is an objective evidence in support of the Big Bang. For this discovery Penzias and Wilson got the Physics Nobel Prize in 1978. Systematic molecular genetic similarity between humans and other organisms is objective evidence of common ancestry of life on earth, and of the evolutionary origin of humankind. There are still mysteries regarding the origins of the Universe in Big Bang Theory, as Dr.Santosh should know it better. Let them deal with empirical knowledge and leave aside metaphysical and theological realm. Philosophers and theologians will take care of it. Why are the conjectures of philosophers and theologians superior to those of scientists? And, theologians of which religion hold superior knowledge? Let it be clear that Bible does not teach how the Universe came, but only that God is the Creator--everything comes from God. Time cannot begin without the intervention of a Superior Intelligence. Evolution, which is still to be tested by scientists, does not contradict the dogma of Creation (cf.Gn 1:1- 3). Creationism as a scientific theory cannot be accepted. Creation is a theological statement, not a scientific theory. Creation is not a conjecture, it is a revealed truth. Let those who do not accept it be free not to accept it... Let those who accept it be free to accept it and witness to it. Metaphysical principles are not conjectures, but self-evident tenets. They are not monopoly of any group. --How does a person interested in our origins decide which theological conjecture is right, if the Hindu conjecture directly contradicts the Christian one? For the time being I am not delving into an answer given in Hinduism. As a Christian, the answer is that evolution is acceptable to me, provided that I accept the dogma of Creation, which does not contradict the Theory of Evolution. Religion cannot and does not give answer for the scientific question, but for the transcendental question of ultimate meaning of life. As one is free to choose his/her religion, one is free to enquire about the answers. I am convinced of the answer given by Christian religion regarding our origins, therefore I am free to follow it and yet be open for a discussion. This discussion only strengthens my Faith in God, revealed by Bible. Ivo da C.Souza
[Goanet]school timings
Please let me know if the controversial full day school scheme in Goa has been implemented or is the issue still pending ? Thanks Percy Ferrao Ealing Road.
Re: [Goanet]Goan Bird Festivals
On 14/05/05, Alfred de Tavares [EMAIL PROTECTED] My good great Gabe, Your above request is, at best, as ambiguous as beavies fluttering in yonder skies What IS your preference in this matter? Without bikinis do they offend you? Or, do addaed apparel diminish the enhancement the bikinis provide+ I need your precise requirements t accordingly instruct/direct my enterprising ornithological photographer in situ, young C.P., to render you due satisfaction. You see, he has been watching them then so assiduously during his research in the matter that his lens leaves them quite unabashed. Complyingly yours, Alfred de T., a not undistinguished connoisseur of this on wing, or off! RESPONSE: Mio Amigo Alfredo, Yes, I did realise, a while back, that you were an expert in this field. Being in Sweden must have horned your skills! Like you I am fascinated with birds. I have this friend, who had a girlfriend, who had an arts/crafts biz and she called it 'blue tits' :-) I asked him if it was after she met him or it was named as such, before they met. Now this friend of mine has settled down with 'Blue Tits' and they call themselves The Jays! :-) I scratch my head and ponder why would anyone call themselves these avaricious birds (Member of the Crow Family). The Blue Jays from Canada are the fiercest! Ask Mervyn or Tim D'mello. Where fore art thou Tim? long time, no see posting! I was wondering my friend and his, are not afraid to show their 'colours' but I perhaps they have the wrong end of the stick; surely they would not call themselves 'The Vultures' The nicest I have heard so far in terms of birds is about my friend Robin - he has called his house Robin's nest! How cute. My favourite is 'yellow bird' (high up in banana tree) cheers. Gabe Menezes London England. P.S. running out of friends - anyone out there ready to adopt me?
[Goanet]Everything has a limit
No catholic can and has ever become stronger after reading criticism on the net . Its hope against hope. Such issues are to be handled very carefully on the net. No doubt religious is dogmatic belief and a faith which inspires but when you splash muck on religion one may not want to be associated with such a belief or attach oneself to catholicism due to what one has read on the net, irrespective of its fool proof validity. Faith is based on what you read not what you imagine, if we have been taught that bible has to be read everyday as it educates us , when going to church a priest preaches about god's teachings, we read a lot of religious literature and we form an opinion, independent opinion or due to the information that surrounds us then we do develop strong faith because such information was conveyed to us by the institution called Church.I may have the strongest faith 'am a human being with what i read on the net be it good or bad i may form a second opinion and think hundred times now. Everything is to be criticised but let it be constructive, if you imagine most of the articles pertain to catholic religion why? is it because most of the people on the goanet are catholics? Let the net be a source of good information, criticism pertaining to catholic religion or for that matter does not provide any positive information, on the contrary it makes matter worse. I fully agree with PAT DE SOUZA.Goanet should impose limits on religious bashings. Salus correia starts his note SUNIL/AVERTANO WHOEVER YOU REALLY ARE, didn't your folks teach you how to address people. No one on the net is whoever Mr. salus its very important you show respect towards each other while addressing. Indeed there are many people who are interested in knowing about religion , why not tell us something about JIHAD(ISLAM), TELL US ABOUT HINDU,WHO ARE THE PEOPLE WHO CREATED CHAOS IN FONTAINHAS IN REGARD TO THE PORTUGUESE NAMES?TELL US ABOUT ZOROASTRISM, ISMAILIS,SHIAS, SUNIS,(AGHA KHAN'S)DIVORCE WITH HIS WIFE,AND THE RELIGIONS ARE TOO MANY LET'S TAKE A TOPIC EVERYDAY ON EACH AND EVERY RELIGION. Kindly educate all the netter on every religion. Salus i am not against your writing but you think it the otherway, religion has always created chaos be it Ayodhya or ramjanmabhoomi/be it Muslim jihad v/s Americans, be it RSS role in Goa or the elsewhere, the hatred between hindus and muslims. Discuss religion freely and wholeheartedly but with limits as everything has a limit. And its time Goanet thinks about it seriously . lopes
[Goanet]Soft drinks to be banned in trains
http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/001200505142169.htm?headline=Soft~drinks~to~be~banned~in~trains:~Lalu Soft drinks to be banned in trains: Lalu Chhindwara (MP), May. 14 (PTI): Continuing his swadeshi drive, Union Railway Minister Lalu Prasad, today announced that sale of soft drinks would be banned in trains as well as at stations which will be substituted by indigenous products like butter-milk. A ban will be imposed on serving of cold drinks like Pepsi, Cola and Fanta in trains as well as at railway stations, he said at a public meeting after laying the foundation stone of the Rs 384 crore Chhindwara-Nagpur broad-gauge line project. From now onwards, passengers would be treated to milk, butter-milk and other tasty drinks in the trains, said the Railway Minister who had introduced 'Kulhars' (earthern cups) for serving tea to passengers soon after he took over last year. Vote for Lalu's govt for tasty milky drinks! Carlos
[Goanet]Re: NEWS UPDATE - another Saddam mass grave found in Iraq
The author's attempts at spin are laughable. I have watched this debate for the last 6 months, and his tactics are simple: just routinely repeat points, and indulge in gross generalizations (example: if you are against the war in Iraq, you must be pro-Saddam). Mario: do you have a poster of Bush on your bedroom wall? You CLAIM to support Bush, but talk is cheap. Why have you not enlisted? Why have you not travelled to Iraq yourself to find WMD? Why are your family members not fighting in Iraq? Why? So many questions, but no answers from you. What are you scared of? Please answer these questions. And remember if you do find WMD, you will also find fame and fortune, and the immense gratitude of your personal hero, GWB. Maybe you will even get a pet moniker from him - Goenkar Bush! Furthermore, if you were to somehow either mention Goanet during your TV interviews and/or inject some needed capital into the Goanet infrastructure, I will personally lobby the mythical Goanet Admin Team to grant you a place at the Admin team table. I am sure that most (all?) members of Goanet will join me in this effort The outpouring of support will doubtless sway the minds of the great Herman and his cohorts Fame, fortune, and a place on the Goanet Admin Team!! So Mario: the rest is in your hands. Will you keep talking poppycock - or will you replace words with deeds? It is up to you. --- Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Colin, You are distinguishing yourself on Goanet by routinely spewing generalizations that have no basis in fact. Can you please cite me one example where I have said that the Bush administration can do no wrong? You obviously cannot deal with the specific points that I have made, so I don't blame you for resorting to such tactics. __ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
[Goanet]RE: CATHOLIC ??? George!
--- Nasci Caldeira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In coments made about Hindus, and or Muslims and Sikhs; it is their religion, and shows in their religious practices; in these cases it is not their human failure; but a practice of their religion; or so they say. These controversial practices have not been denied by them, as religious practices, ever. That's the difference! Nasci Caldeira Melbourne I know Nasci does not get it. But I wonder if the so-called devout Catholics on the forum understand religious chauvinism and will speak out. What if Hindus and others on this forum challenged Catholic religious pratices and beliefs? Is the Virgin birth, Trinity, Ascension into heaven, etc. fair game for them too? One fundamental problem underlying this religious chauvinism is some Goan Catholics have lorded it over others (except for white-skins) over the years, feeling superior to Hindus in Goa because of their preferred association with Portugese Catholic culture, or African Goans over black Africans, or Pakistan Goans over local Muslims, etc. Their bluff has been called on this forum, and like the Emperor, they wear no clothes. With humility, some have revised their way of thinking, including critically assessing their Catholic faith and beliefs. They deserve credit. Others who do not like to be checkmated, yell Foul not realizing the game has changed since a generation or two ago when things were different back home in the good old days. Equality justice are part of the rules of the game now. Regards, George
Re: [Goanet]Re: NEWS UPDATE - another Saddam mass grave found in Iraq
On 14/05/05, Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very good observation, Gabe! It was a mistake for me to mention Uganda. I should have said Tanzania, which was attacked on the same day as Kenya. RESPONSE: My Dear, dear Mario, Please give it up; too many people to handle! You have the wrong person I don't know what you are talking about in regard to Uganda! Perhaps your good adversary who has now progressed to 3.0 can help you out.check below. --- Mervyn Lobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you aware that Clinton's failure to respond to the series of attacks from WTC-I to Saudi Arabia, Kenya, Uganda, Somalia and Yemen only emboldened them leading directly to WTC-II on 9/11. Het Mario, Please try and get your facts right before you write here. Unless, of course, there was an attack on Uganda that only you and George Bush know about. Mervyn3.0 __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca -- Cheers, Gabe Menezes. London, England
[Goanet]Secularism - A tool of dividing politics
http://news.indiainfo.com/2005/02/08/0802guru.htmluesday Secularism - A tool of dividing politics -- Indiainfo.com By S Gurumurthy Why did the Karnataka Chief Minister and other seculars proudly participate in the mass proselytising event of Benny Hinn, who abused Hindus and Hindu Gods? How is it that E Ahmed of the Muslim League is 'secular' and L K Advani of the BJP (Bharatiya Janata Party) 'communal'? Why is the Kanchi Mutt being hounded while the raid on the Islamic religious school at Nadwa to catch ISI insurgents was called off and Central Ministers sent to apologise to Ali Mian for the raid? How is it that 'secular' intellectuals are asking for the release of the Godhra accused and none of them is bothered about Vijayendra Saraswathi in jail? How come even a Congress Chief Minister like A K Antony could not stand the pseudo-'secular' polity and was forced to charge the organised minorities for perverting secularism? Why..? How...? These and similar questions repeatedly arise. But no one cares to answer them. You want answers to these questions? Read on... For 'secular' India, secularism is not divorced between the State and religion. For them secularism is exclusively for the benefit of the minorities. Extend it, secularism means pampering the minorities. Go further, it includes being allergic to the majority. That is, unless one explicitly appeases the minorities and is overtly allergic to Hindus, one is not 'secular' enough. How did secularism acquire these new dimensions? Simple: it became a tool of politics. Politics is all about uniting the supporters and dividing the opponents. In Indian politics, uniting a minority for votes is 'secular'. It is 'secular' to divide the majority into this or that caste for votes. Consequently, uniting the majority is anti-'secular'. And organising the majority is fundamentalist. In contrast, protecting organised minority is a 'secular' duty. This is the high point of 'secular' India. A novice in Christian history would know that secularism originated in Christendom as a rule of separation of the Christian church and the Christian State. But how come what started off as an issue of Christian church versus the Christian State has become an issue of majority versus minority? Now we need to trespass into some history - not an interesting subject for many. With Martin Luther's revolt against the 'Catholic Church' arrived the 'Protestant Church'. This weakened the Papacy and eventually broke up the Holy Roman Empire. The broken pieces of the Empire, by permutation and combination, became the modern Nation-States in Europe. But these separated Nation-States also owed allegiance to Christ and Bible. These developments were all intra-Christian, within Christendom. No other religion was in the picture. The Church had ensured that no indigenous faith survived after Christianity took charge of Europe. Till this point no one had heard of secularism. It was only when the national Christian churches clashed with the national Christian states for primacy that a formula had to be worked out. That formula was that the Christian State would prevail in worldly issues that were considered to be 'secular' in Christian theology. In the Abrahamic world all matters pertaining to the 'other world' were sacred, and the worldly issues 'secular'. This was how secularism was born. It separated what Christianity regarded as 'sacred' from what it classified as 'secular'. But the common denominator was the Christian theology and what it certified as sacred and 'secular'. In the European model, the Christian State was not actually creed-neutral. It was neutrality between the Christian State and the Christian church within Christianity. Secularism mandated that the Christian church would not interfere in matters of the Christian State. It was the advent of democracy, not secularism, which gave the survival space for non-Christian faiths in Christendom. The Christian States ruled by Christian monarchs began clashing with the people when the people began demanding more rights. This is where individualism began conflicting with monarchies. The clashes triggered movements for democracy. It was democracy that really shaped the institution of secularism as later understood in the modern West. With individualism becoming the supreme institution, the society in the West lost its legitimacy. So religion became a personal affair, an individual right. Still, secularism in the West was an all-Christian affair. It was an intra-Christian discipline. The State stood neutral between the Christian church and Christians, whether faithfuls or heretics. But democracy offered space for atheists and agnostics. Added to that was emigration from the rest of the world which turned the Christian West multi-religious and multi-racial. This brought in the issue of religious minorities. But in the West,
Re: [Goanet]Re: NEWS UPDATE - another Saddam mass grave found in Iraq
--- Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How could Saddam show WMD's that are not there? Even a primary school kid could be foxed by such a preposterous question that you put to us.The WMD's were decommissioned and in reality were not of such a magnitude as made out by the USA. That he used it against the Kurds did not mean he had tons of it. Mario replies, patiently: In the interests of education and correcting the record, I will attempt to explain the rationale to Gabe, one more time. See if you can follow this, Gabe. First of all, Saddam actually used WMDs against Iran and against his own Kurds in the mid-80s. Since you were born at the time, you should know this, unlike WW-II, where you said you could not be expected to know stuff that happened before you were born. In the cease fire agreement in 1991 Saddam agreed to destroy his WMDs and provide an accounting to the UN. The UN, Gabe, not the US. When he failed to do so, stringent economic sanctions were imposed on Iraq, which exempted food and medicines. There were 17 such UN resolutions, Gabe, from 1991 to the final one in 2003, which included an ultimatum that he would suffer severe consequences, not just more sanctions. When he again failed to account for the WMDs he was deposed. What you seem to have a hard time grasping, perhaps because you don't want to, is that, if he had, in fact, decommissioned the WMDs and had NONE, as you seem gullible enough to believe, he should have been easily been able to show this to the UN inspectors, which would have complied with the UN resolutions, the sanctions would have ended, he would not have been deposed and could have gone back to his cushy dictatorship, where he could kill, rape and torture people at will. He had from 1991 to 2003 to show the UN inspectors that he had no WMDs. He made his country suffer crippling economic sanctions, and deprived them of food and medicines that killed more of them than all the casualties since the war began, while he looted the oil-for-food program to build more palaces for his own use. He finally suffered the loss of his dictatorship. Only anti-Americans like you find it reasonable to believe that he went through all this, when he could have avoided it all by showing the UN inspectors what you claim he had done, which is decommission his WMDs. No, Gabe, he has either hidden them, because chemical and biological weapons do not require TONS, and are easy to hide in a vast country like Iraq, or he had them moved to Syria. Besides, as I have said, the WMDs, which you anti-Americans seem obsessed with, were only one of a whole list of reasons that were listed in the war resolution authorizing the liberation of Iraq in the US Senate. Look it up on www.senate.gov. Gabe writes: Poppycock, you will follow Bush blindly; what you do not answer on this Goanet is whether you would urge your progeny to do battle. You are full of praise for combating US troops - you should urge your kids to go there and do their bit. Mario replies: Poppycock, Gabe? What have I ever said that you can cite which leads you to believe I will follow Bush blindly? You are using big words for you, like poppycock, because you are too lazy to look up the facts. Look up the US resolution authorizing the war of liberation, and you will see it is no poppycock or any other cock. Besides, your attempts at personalizing this to me and my family is pathetic. You may think this is cute, but it is irrelevent to the discussion. Gabe writes: Again you are bringing us down to your level - primary school stuff - there is not one of us on this goanet site that loves Saddam; I would state though that there are not many of us that would follow George Bush or your view either! Mario replies: You (I did not say everyone on Goanet), may not LOVE Saddam, but the proof that you support him is based on the lengths you go to obfuscate the true facts, even refusing to look up things that are easily available on the internet. If your factless opposition to the US-led liberation of Iraq had prevailed, Saddam would have still be brutalizing the majority of Iraqis. This may not constitute you LOVING him, but it sure constitutes support. Gabe writes: Yes I know you don't care, nor does your President. What I am stating is that you are the one who plainly stated that peace would not come to Iraq in a short while and it would take time. You seem to have a lapse of memory perhaps when it suits or perhaps when you have no other avenue to turn to, like a cornered dog staving off the inevitable - being torn to pieces by the opposition. Mario replies: Torn to pieces is what is happening to your factless arguments, Gabe. Again, I think you are getting frustrated because you are losing track of what you are saying. Yes, I did plainly state, as did President Bush, that this would take time. It is taking time, as we said, so we were correct. Where is my lapse of memory? Gabe, since WW-II took place before you
Re: [Goanet]Re: NEWS UPDATE - another Saddam mass grave found in Iraq
Very good observation, Gabe! It was a mistake for me to mention Uganda. I should have said Tanzania, which was attacked on the same day as Kenya. However, this correction in a long list of attacks on the US and US interests throughout the 90s, none of which were responded to by the Clinton administration, makes no difference to the point I was making about Osama being emboldened by the appeasement and calling himself a strong horse as a result. Tyrants who are on the attack cannot be appeased as Neville Chamberlain found out years ago and Bill Clinton found out more recently. --- Mervyn Lobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you aware that Clinton's failure to respond to the series of attacks from WTC-I to Saudi Arabia, Kenya, Uganda, Somalia and Yemen only emboldened them leading directly to WTC-II on 9/11. Het Mario, Please try and get your facts right before you write here. Unless, of course, there was an attack on Uganda that only you and George Bush know about. Mervyn3.0 __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
Re: [Goanet]Re: NEWS UPDATE - another Saddam mass grave found in Iraq
Colin, You are distinguishing yourself on Goanet by routinely spewing generalizations that have no basis in fact. Can you please cite me one example where I have said that the Bush administration can do no wrong? You obviously cannot deal with the specific points that I have made, so I don't blame you for resorting to such tactics. --- Colin Britto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The author indulges in sycophantic fawning over the Bush administration - to him, it can do no wrong. Not even a single mistake... I must remind the audience that no one is infallible. One must ask: does the author keep a poster of the president and other members of the administration on his bedroom ceiling? All the better to gaze at adoringly --- Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... __ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail
Re: [Goanet]Goan Bird Festivals
From: Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: goanet@goanet.org To: goanet@goanet.org Subject: Re: [Goanet]Goan Bird Festivals Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 22:01:03 +0100 On 12/05/05, Frederick Noronha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.a2mediagroup.com/?c=55a=4926sid=64023d329c2ea84084f3ede20e675ed0 Goa Bird Festivals RESPONSE: Could we have pictures of these bevy of beauties Goan birds - preferably in bikinis? Cheers, Gabe Menezes London England. My good great Gabe, Your above request is, at best, as ambiguous as beavies fluttering in yonder skies What IS your preference in this matter? Without bikinis do they offend you? Or, do addaed apparel diminish the enhancement the bikinis provide+ I need your precise requirements t accordingly instruct/direct my enterprising ornithological photographer in situ, young C.P., to render you due satisfaction. You see, he has been watching them then so assiduously during his research in the matter that his lens leaves them quite unabashed. Complyingly yours, Alfred de T., a not undistinguished connoisseur of this on wing, or off! _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
Re: [Goanet]Re: NEWS UPDATE - another Saddam mass grave found in Iraq
From: Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: goanet@goanet.org To: goanet@goanet.org Subject: Re: [Goanet]Re: NEWS UPDATE - another Saddam mass grave found in Iraq Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 23:43:32 +0100 On 13/05/05, Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mario replies: Gabe, it would help the civilized discourse that we are supposed to have on Goanet if you knew what you were talking about. I have repeatedly made the case that the WMDs are still hidden somewhere, whereas you and the other anti-Americans keep repeating the fact that they were not found in Iraq, without explaining what happened to the ones Saddam had and used. RESPONSE: How could Saddam show WMD's that are not there? Even a primary school kid could be foxed by such a preposterous question that you put to us.The WMD's were decommissioned and in reality were not of such a magnitude as made out by the USA. That he used it against the Kurds did not mean he had tons of it. Secondly, if you had looked up the war resolution authorizing the liberation of Iraq you would know that there were several reasons for the action other than WMDs, including the need to depose Saddam and impose freedom and democracy. So, the notion that it was an afterthought is just flat out false, and reflects the biased propaganda being spread by the newspapers you and some of our Canadian friends seem to read. RESPONSE: poppycock, you will follow Bush blindly; what you do not answer on this Goanet is whether you would urge your progeny to do battle. You are full of praise for combating US troops - you should urge your kids to go there and do their bit. Cheers, Gabe Menezes. London, England Mario, please excuse me for butting in: Depose the demned dictator by any and all means, but does any political situation justify the need to . impose freedom and democracy. ? Alfred de Tavares _ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.com/
Re: [Goanet]Two Goans among the Four Indian students - won the Intel ISEF awrds
Bernardo Colaco wrote: Come to Goa, come to Goa and become a Goan! Why not? Goa needs them to keep Konkani alive. Keralite Goans and North Indian Goans speak better Konkani and are proud to speak Konkani than many of us. At least they will keep the language alive. Carlos
RE: [Goanet]Re: CATHOLIC ??? George!
The comment below is why I believe secularism is doomed in India and among Indians. When majoritarian elements indulge in religion based bigotry, it can perhaps be understood (but not excused) as a means to power. When minorities, whom secularism is designed to protect, indulge in blatant religious bigotry, whither secularism ? Why indeed do we need it? In coments made about Hindus, and or Muslims and Sikhs; it is their religion, and shows in their religious practices; in these cases it is not their human failure; but a practice of their religion; or so they say. These controversial practices have not been denied by them, as religious practices, ever. That's the difference! Nasci Caldeira Melbourne Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html
RE: [Goanet]Re: CATHOLIC ??? George!
--- Nasci Caldeira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In coments made about Hindus, and or Muslims and Sikhs; it is their religion, and shows in their religious practices; in these cases it is not their human failure; but a practice of their religion; or so they say. These controversial practices have not been denied by them, as religious practices, ever. That's the difference! Do the pious and religious people on Goanet agree with the above assessment? Do they have anything to say to Nasci Caldeira, here? I would love to see some of their selflessness, tolerance, and love and affection towards others in action. Cheers, Santosh
[Goanet]Wikipedia news that might interest you...
Today's featured article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page The Battle of Aljubarrota took place on August 14, 1385, between Portuguese forces commanded by King João I and his general Nuno Alvares Pereira, and the Castilian army of King Juan I. The place was Aljubarrota, between the towns of Leiria and Alcobaça in central Portugal. The result was a decisive defeat for the Castilians and the end of the 13831385 Crisis, establishing João as King of Portugal. Independence was assured and a new dynasty, the House of Aviz, was established. Scattered border clashes with Castilian troops would persist until the death of Juan I in 1390, but these posed no real threat to the Portuguese monarchy. To celebrate his victory and acknowledge divine help, João I ordered the construction of the Monastery of Santa Maria of Batalha and the founding of the town of Batalha (the Portuguese word for battle). The king, his wife, Philippa of Lancaster, and several of his sons are buried in this monastery, which is an important part of Portuguese heritage. Pope Benedict XVI waives the five-year waiting period usually required before beatification, expediting the process for his predecessor, John Paul II (pictured). Frederick Noronha 784 Near Convent, Sonarbhat SALIGAO GOA India Freelance Journalist TEL: +91-832-2409490 MOBILE: 9822122436 http://fn.swiki.net http://www.livejournal.com/users/goalinks fred at bytesforall.org http://www.bytesforall.org
Re: [Goanet]Shipping books to Goa
I have been making inquiries on shipping books to Goa/India for many years. It is not easy. The problem was (it may have changed recently) the Indian customs and India's strict regulations. As a student in 1960's some of us helped a South Indian Jesuit and a Professor pack scores of boxes with books donated by the libraries and shipped to colleges and schools in Kerala. Asia Foundation delivered it free and it still does this service to many countries, except India. They do not want to deal with the government roadblocks. About four years ago I talked to the Librarian at the Goa University if the University would be willing to take technical books if offered and he willingly accepted and even to pay the shipping costs, deal with the customs, etc. So I packed about 15 boxes, totaling 15 cu.ft. (over 200 books). An agent in Goa made all the necessary contacts, but later I was surprised to learn that the budget was cut and the University could not pay for it. The shipping cost was not much. It reached Bombay in about six weeks but languished at the customs for three months! If someone can get the attention of your representative(s) in Parliament and change the present restrictive policies, many libraries will be the beneficiaries. Themistocles on 05/14/2005 2:37 AM, Cecil Pinto at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cornel wrote: Akin to this, another possibility is to ship 'discarded' library books to institutions in Goa. Such discarded books are invariably not that old at all. They are simply discarded to make space for newer stocks. Clearly, there is the cost of sending them across to different destinations where they may be wanted but one embassy in London that I know has collected and shipped books from UK academics and their institutional libraries for use in home institutions in the Caribbean rather than see some excellent books pulped. - Dear Cornel, I too have heard of perfectly good condition Public Library books in the USA used as landfill to make way for new stocks on the shelves. What a crying shame. If some initiative is made towards shipping good condition books to Goa I would like to be part of it. For starters I can assure you of a safe well-maintained place for, and public access to, at least 2000 books at the Aldona Institute library which has some empty bookshelves and a paid library-in-charge. Also I am sure local schools will willingly accept and make good use of such books. Cecil ==
[Goanet]Anju finishes poor fourth
Anju finishes poor fourth Our Correspondent | May 14, 2005 08:06 IST Anju George, looking for a kick-start to the season, had a bad outing in the IAAF Qatar Super Grand Prix, finishing fourth in the women's long jump in Doha on Friday. The World Championships bronze medallist and defending champion could clear only 6.42 metres (+0.6 wind assistance). Olympic gold medallist and world number one Tatyana Lebedeva of Russia won the gold with a jump of 6.70 metres. Germany's Bianca Kappler cleared 6.55 metres to finish second while former World champion Fiona May of Italy won the bronze with a leap of 6.47 metres. Meanwhile, Olympic silver medallist Francis Obikwelu had a measure of revenge over champion Justin Gatlin by winning the 100 meters. The Portuguese clocked 10.05 seconds, finishing ahead of Olympic 200 meters champion Shawn Crawford, who timed 10.14 seconds. Gatlin also timed 10.14 but was edged out in a photo-finish. Gatlin had beaten the Nigerian-born Obikwelu at the Athens Olympics. The men's 110 meters hurdles was won by European champion Stanislavs Olijars with a year's best time of 13.11 seconds. He finished ahead of Olympic silver medallist Terrence Trammell of the United States in 13.18 seconds. Qatar's 3000 meters steeplechase world champion Saif Saeed Shaheen's made a brave attempt to establish a new record in a non-Olympic event, the 2000 meters steeplechase. But the Kenyan-born athlete failed by a whisker, clocking 5:14.53 seconds against the 15-year-old mark of 5:14.42 set by Kenya's Julius Kiriuki in Riveto, Italy, in 1990. -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/
[Goanet]Paes-Zimonjic in Hamburg semis
Paes-Zimonjic in Hamburg semis May 14, 2005 10:57 IST Leander Paes and Nenad Zimonjic beat the third seeded American pair of Mike and Bob Bryan in a thrilling contest to make it to the last four teams of the Hamburg Masters doubles on Friday. Paes- Zimonjic defeated the Americans 3-6, 7-6 (5), 7-5 and will match up against the tenth seeds Michael Lldora and Fabrice Santoro in the semi-final on Saturday. The French pair earlier upset the top seeds Mark Knowles and Daniel Nestor 6-4, 6-4. Paes and Zimonjic, of Serbia-Montenegro, started off on the wrong foot but the Bryan brothers were unable to finish off the challenge in the second set. The eighth seeds fought hard to drag the set to the tie-breaker and eventually won it 7-5. Though more comfortable on hard courts, Mike and Bob, kept the fight up in the third set as well but Paes' volleys and Zimonjic's serve combined well to take them to the next round. The other semi-final will be between the Olympic bronze-medal winning pair of Mario Ancic and Ivan Ljubicic of Croatia and second seeds Jonas Bjorkman and Max Mirnyi. -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/
Re: [Goanet]Two Goans among the Four Indian students - won the Intel ISEF awrds
Come to Goa, come to Goa and become a Goan! B. Colaco and Mallika Dhillon, 16, of ___ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com
RE: [Goanet]Re: CATHOLIC ??? George!
Response to George down after. From: George Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet]Re: CATHOLIC ??? Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 10:16:14 -0700 (PDT) there ought to be no limits on religious and ideological criticism on Goanet. In the 6 years I have been on Goanet, I have read justified and fact-based criticisms of the Catholic religion (pedophile priests, etc.). The only sick and depraved comments I have read have been made against Hindus, Indians, and Sikhs - at least one comment I protested a month ago. Regards, George By George!! Since when and where did you learn that pedophile priests etc. are a part of Catholic Doctrine?? Please let us know; is it Doctrine or human failing showing itself. Or may be a failure on your part to analyse the truth! Sin is part of man! No one denies that! The church doctrine tries to help man sin less or avoid it altogether. Kitea munttat re tum?? Christao oh heretic? In coments made about Hindus, and or Muslims and Sikhs; it is their religion, and shows in their religious practices; in these cases it is not their human failure; but a practice of their religion; or so they say. These controversial practices have not been denied by them, as religious practices, ever. That's the difference! Nasci Caldeira Melbourne
Re: [Goanet]When ignorance is truly bliss.....
On 13/05/05, Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The objection by the Democrats to Bolton is that he may actually call a spade a spade and induce the feckless UN to change its corrupt ways. People like you are afraid of him because he will shake up the currently useless and corrupt UN, and force them to perform the conflict resolution that is their primary job, which they are an abject failure at. RESPONSE: Mario have you been slumbering? It is your Republicans who cannot endorse Bolton; read some more:- http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,11069-1577549,00.html Republican blow to Bush UN nominee By Chris Johnston, Times Online President Bush was dealt a blow by senators from his own party last night when they asked for a delay to the ratification vote on John Bolton, the Republican nominee for UN ambassador, because of new abuse allegations. The Senate Foreign Relations Committee, which has a Republican majority, had been expected to approve Mr Bolton's nomination. But it decided to delay the vote until next month after Senator George Voinovich of Ohio stunned fellow Republicans on the committee. I've heard enough today that I don't feel comfortable about voting for Mr Bolton today, he told them Some accusers have approached the committee independently. Melody Townsel, a Dallas businesswoman, claimed that an angry Mr Bolton chased her through a Russian hotel and threw objects at her during a conference a decade ago. In a letter, she said he was genuinely behaving like a madman. I eventually retreated to my hotel room and stayed there. Mr Bolton then routinely visited me to pound on the door and shout threats. After the meeting, Senator Voinovich said he had changed his mind after an impassioned critique from Senator Christopher Dodd, a Connecticut Democrat. The passion on the other side on this, I don't think, is political, he said. I think they raised some legitimate issues. I think we ought to find out what they are, I think we ought to get the information, get a chance to have (the allegations) rebutted, he said. Two other Republicans also opposed voting yesterday: Senator Lincoln Chafee of Rhode Island, who had previously expressed doubts and Chuck Hagel of Nebraska, who gave warning that he may not support Mr Bolton's nomination if it did move to the full Senate. The dynamic has changed. A lot of reservations surfaced today. It's a new day, Senator Chafee said. Comment; Mario you should take a bow and gracefully exit from posting propaganda on this forum. No doubt, you will now inform us that the Times is a rubbish Newspaper! All we need is a mad man at the helm and another clout in the U.N., as well as a lackey on Goanet! I would have let this matter go 'where ignorance is bliss tis folly to be wise' but I feel it is my duty and obligation to wisen you up, as well as any reader who might believe your propaganda; you are not yet beyond redemption! Cheers. Gabe Menezes. London England.
Re: [Goanet]Glycerine in Indian beer
On 14/05/05, Cecil Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Gabe, Thanks for the information. I have heard of finings used as clearing agents for beer and wine but have never heard of GLYCERINE being used as a fining agent in BEER. Cecil RESPONSE: All in good time Cecil, I have given you information on what I have used for brewing beer in Saudi Arabia. We used to get malted drink made by the various beer companies, sometimes even fully brewed stuff with the alcohol removed. One of the best was Swan non alcoholic beer. The secret of making a good beer or wine is the yeast. Ordinary baking yeast will produce bad results; one must use the proper yeast or natural yeast. So I would take a bottle of non alcoholic Swan and put just a few grains of sugar into it and shake it thoroughly to mix. Leave it for a couple of days and there will be traces of the yeast culture. Then one is ready to brew the finest beer. Using a 20 litre plastic jerrycan empty 18 litres of the non alcoholic beer. Then mix two kilograms of sugar with two litres of water and stir well . Pour this mixture into the jerrycan making sure the sugar has been dissolved. Finally add the cultured yeast - three days later the beer is ready for bottling. Must be specific gravity 0. Otherwise the bottles will burst when the final fermentation takes place in the bottle. use a syphon and bottle into swing top Rauch or Pfenner empty sterilised bottles. leave for another two days and voila the finest beer available in Saudi! Some guys I knew used to use finings or glycerin to clear the yeast before bottling. I used to bottle straight and decant when pouring out - which gave a better taste and all round body. I intend making a trip to Belgium sometime this Summer so I shall get all the info possible from the source at Stella Artois. -- Cheers, Gabe Menezes. London, England
[Goanet]Untouchables in Goa
Cornel asked: Are there untouchables among the Catholics or indeed among the Hindus normally resident in Goa today? - Dear Cornel, To the best of my knowledge there are no untouchables in Goa but those who indulge in Multi Level Marketing come pretty close. People try to keep away from them and avoid getting anywhere close to them as they tend to have a single track motive of extending their down-line and will bore your head off explaining how many cheques they have received in the last few months. Another class of untouchables are the temporarily euphoric evangelists who have either recently returned from Pota in Kerala or from a Vipassana course in Poona and are determined to convince everyone they meet that this is the only true way of life. Cecil =
Re: [Goanet] False assertions
--- Fr. Ivo Da C. Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can time atart without Superior Intelligence? Certainly not. What is the rationale for the above statement? How did you arrive at this conclusion. Is it a self-evident truth? Objective scientific evidence indicates that the emergence of any kind of intelligence (superior or inferior) in nature requires the emergence of a brain or a nervous system. There is absolutely no objective evidence or rational basis for a disembodied intelligence. Let science not encroach in the field of Metaphysics and Theology. Science wil not, and cannot, answer this question. Why? Why is Metaphysics and Theology superior to Science in answering this question? And, theology of which religion knows the right answer? What if Buddhist and Christian theologies give conflicting answers? Ockham's razor cannot be applied, according to William Ockham himself, to the truths revealed by Christian Revelation. In the interest of truthful disclosure of conflicts of interest, it should be revealed that William of Occam was a Christian priest - a Franciscan monk. It is not surprising that he made an exception in regards to Christian revelation. Would he feel the same about Zoroastrian revelations? Cheers, Santosh
Re: [Goanet]Music of Goa: from Ovi to Fred Disko
It is a shame that Maestro Antonio Figueiredo the father and protagonist of the now Kala Academy is not mentioned in this report. B. Colaco --- Frederick Noronha (FN) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_of_Goa Goa is a part of India, and has had historically closer connections with Western classical music than the rest of the country. Indigenous Goan music was incorporated into European music. Goa has also produced several pop stars, most famously including Remo Fernandes. ___ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet]MUSIC IN GOA
Oscar C. Lobo wrote: The resort had regular shows i.e. Magician, Indian dancers, duo's etc. which were very exciting. However, one evening my heart broke into two when a group of Non-Goans came to sing Konkani songs. They sang songs like Undra magea mama and others. For me to listen to them was a disaster. For others who knew nothing about the language i.e. people from Europe, it was a good form of entertaining as the troupe dressed the Indian costumes instead of Goan attire. I was embarrassed that we do not have our Goan people to sing Konkani songs in Goa. I have no grudges against any one singing Konkani, however, if someone wants to sing, they need to practice until one gets the accents to near perfection. I'm curious to know how you came to this conclusion about the ethnic identity of the singers resort. You might be right, but I've not come across people from other states entering this field -- e.g. being musicians in local hotels and deployed for singing Konkani songs. Had this been done, it would be a rather unique contribution to the melting pot that is Konkani; but I don't think it has yet happened. Correct me if my belief is untrue. (I've seen Sikhs printing press employees and Oriya watchmen speaking fluent to better-than-average Konkani, but none employed as singers in that language in local hotels.) I am also painfully aware that a number of expat Goans seem to believe that only Catholics are Goans. Those suffering under such a perspective need to check their history and their geography. It is no less serious an attempt as the recent attempts to rewrite the history of India based on religious bias. If there was a performance put up by Kanta Gaude's folk troupe from Ponda, I wonder how an expat would categorise them. Where does Goan attire end and Indian costume begin? Probably the average Indian tourist has similar stereotypes about the young women and men dancing on the river cruises at the Mandovi, when they switch from the red-and-black of the corredinho to the dekhni-style garb or, horror of horrors, the kashti that lends legitimacy to the Goan fishermen's song. Goa's reality being a multi-ethnic, multi-linguistic and multi-cultural mix, how would one describe the less Westernised, less Catholic forms of culture that comes from say Canacona, Sanguem or Bicholim? If we would like to erase certain cultural practices out of the definition of Goan, then in what way are we different from the religious bigots who do the same while in power? On the other hand, in the world of playback music, a number of singers from outside Goa have actually sung in Konkani. That they have had a clearly 'foreign' accent hasn't stopped a generation of Goans from enjoying their music. Quite some bit of Konkani music comes from Mangalore -- whether it's from the great Wilfy Remembus or the dedicated and younger Eric Ozario. Beyond that, singers with names like Kaur (Sikh suffix for a lady) and the Calcutta-based Usha Uthup (who sings probably in a dozen languages, including English) have lent their voice to Konkani. Here, one probable explanation could be: in those times, the recording industry was based in big cities like Bombay and Calcutta. It was also dominated by big players, as cutting and marketing a record was a huge investment. (Even a Remo Fernandes had to struggle with his first cassette, and roam around on his scooter selling it.) Today, with recordings becoming possible even in Orlando Fernandes' flat-cum-studio at the Four Pillars (and many bigger places in Margao, Panjim, Bastora, etc) the situation has changed. Just some provocative points to a provocative post. FN .. Frederick (FN) Noronha | Freelance Journalist | Mobile +91 9822 122436 Tel +91.832.2409490| http://fn.swiki.net | http://www.bytesforall.org ..
[Goanet]Glycerine in Indian beer
Gabe Menezes wrote: Glycerine or finings is used to clear the beer, traditionally made beer will have the yeast settle at the bottom of the bottle or barrel. The beer we get has been cleared of the yeast to the best possible extent using finings and sometimes glycerine. -- Dear Gabe, Thanks for the information. I have heard of finings used as clearing agents for beer and wine but have never heard of GLYCERINE being used as a fining agent in BEER. Glycerine is used to fortify the viscosity of liqueurs and red wines, not beer. Gabe you obviously are more well informed than most in these matters. Could you please check if: 1) Glycerine is indeed an additive as a fining agent for beer 2) Or is it a byproduct of the fermentation process 3) Is it present in Indian beers 4) Is it present in European beers. Thanks Cecil - A scientific explanation of the fining process is at: http://www.murphyandson.co.uk/all_bright.htm Common finings and their properties are listed at: http://www.brewerylane.com/finings.html ===
[Goanet]RE: Goanparty.com
Fred, I think Konkani editor, similar to MS-word editor, with spell-check, grammar help, thesaurus, English to Konkani translator, will be a very useful tool to learn and write in Konkani. It will standardize the spellings and create new breed of writers. Fred, can you throw light on the feasibility of producing a Konkani editor? Avelino Bastora/Kuwait _ Frederick Noronha wrote: Hi Darren: Don't take that seriously! We actually need thank the sources of such criticism. In my case, it tempted me to visit your simple (yet, probably effective) site. I think you'll guys are doing a good job. Don't bother too much about the finger-pointing about the Konkani used. In Goa too, there are some who will tell others that the language they've spoken for generations is wrong, incorrect, un-standardised, improper and somehow inferior. That you'll have worked on using the language is itself to be appreciated. Keep up your work! FN Darren Fernandes goanet@goanet.org Thu May 12 11:32:36 2005 I am enquiring as to who posted a comment relating to goanparty.com in regard to some spelling mistakes in konkani. They obvioulsy have nothing better to do in their lives than criticise. I was forwarded this post and quite frankly whoever this is cannot appreciate how some young goan people are trying to keep the younger generation of the community together.
[Goanet]Shipping books to Goa
Cornel wrote: Akin to this, another possibility is to ship 'discarded' library books to institutions in Goa. Such discarded books are invariably not that old at all. They are simply discarded to make space for newer stocks. Clearly, there is the cost of sending them across to different destinations where they may be wanted but one embassy in London that I know has collected and shipped books from UK academics and their institutional libraries for use in home institutions in the Caribbean rather than see some excellent books pulped. - Dear Cornel, I too have heard of perfectly good condition Public Library books in the USA used as landfill to make way for new stocks on the shelves. What a crying shame. If some initiative is made towards shipping good condition books to Goa I would like to be part of it. For starters I can assure you of a safe well-maintained place for, and public access to, at least 2000 books at the Aldona Institute library which has some empty bookshelves and a paid library-in-charge. Also I am sure local schools will willingly accept and make good use of such books. Cecil ==
[Goanet]RE: Audience v/s Participation
Cecil Pinto wrote: The term 'audience' in fact is curious. One is a 'participant' in an e-group. An audience on the other hand is expected to be kept entertained in the manner of their taste. If more devout GoaNetters participate, and stop considering themselves an audience that can quit, then perhaps things will improve. Pat's response: When one considers the percentage of those dishing it out in contrast to the total number subscribed or on the receiving end, the latter would IMHO fall in the audience category. And, make no mistake there is plenty of 'tamasha' for entertaining or turning off the audience! A couple of detractors, iidentifiable by their dos-a-dos (or covering up each other's back) postings, hold sway! There are e-groups with only one way transmission of messages. Things will and can improve with a change from selfish to selfless attitudes, paving the way for true Goanet interaction or participation.
Re: [Goanet] How did science begin?
--- Fr. Ivo Da C. Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The scientists are trying to find the origins of the Universe and of humankind. In this process of research Science has recourse to conjectures, assumptions, opinions, probabilities, beliefs, guess... Fr. Ivo, Do you have any reason or objective evidence to believe that the evolutionary origin of humankind is still a conjecture, assumption, opinion or guess? If so, please let me know what it is. Instead of god-of-gaps, they are embarking on probabilities-of-gaps... Not true. Science is always trying to find coherent rational explanations to fill in the gaps. These explanatory scientific hypotheses can be tested by observation or experiment. It is impossible to have objective evidence in this area. Not true again. Hypotheses about the origins of the universe and of humankind can certainly be supported by objective evidence. For instance, the 2.726 degree Kelvin cosmic microwave background radiation is an objective evidence in support of the Big Bang. For this discovery Penzias and Wilson got the Physics Nobel Prize in 1978. Systematic molecular genetic similarity between humans and other organisms is objective evidence of common ancestry of life on earth, and of the evolutionary origin of humankind. Let them deal with empirical knowledge and leave aside metaphysical and theological realm. Philosophers and theologians will take care of it. Why are the conjectures of philosophers and theologians superior to those of scientists? And, theologians of which religion hold superior knowledge? How does a person interested in our origins decide which theological conjecture is right, if the Hindu conjecture directly contradicts the Christian one? Cheers, Santosh
Re: [Goanet]NIRMALA SAWANT to contest as INDEPENDENT
godfrey gonsalves wrote: The people of Goa were shocked to learn that Ms Nirmala Prabhakar Sawant ex MLA of 14- Cumbarjua Assembly Constituency, Tiswadi ex Minister for Power, ex-Goa Pradesh Congress Committee, President, a staunch loyalist, quit the Indian National Party She must be regretting why she did not resign from INC much earlier. A party of the corrupt, for the corrupt, and by the corrupt. Regards, Carlos
[Goanet]WHAT ARE THE CORRESPONDING GOA STATS?
In an op-ed piece titled The Pinocchio Economy [of West Bengal] in TOI yesterday (May 13), a leading economic journalist, Omkar Goswami, tossed out the following national and state level stats. Statistically between 1993-94 and 2003-04 the average [inflation adjusted] GDP growth for India has been a little over 6% [and] the variation around this average has been 1.5%. The corresponding rates for some Indian states were given as: Maharashtra 5%; Andhra 5.5%, Karnataka 6.3%, Tamil Nadu 5.2%, Haryana 5.9%, Gujarat 7.5%. In addition some reference was made to rural stats from the National Sample Survey (NSS) in 1999-2000: National average of rural populace below the poverty line: 27%. Average per capita rural expenditure lowest in Assam, Madhya Pradesh, Bihar, Orissa and Chhattisgarh. National average of pucca houses in rural areas: 41%. National average of rural households with electricity:43.5%. National average of rural households owning TVs: 19%. How does Goa's growth rate compare and how does its rural heartland fare in terms of expenditure, assets and amenities?
[Goanet]Course in Fruit and Vegetable preservation
Dears, The Food Nutrition Extension Centre, glovt. of India, located at House No.1120, Old Housing Board Colony[ Teen Building stop] Alto Porvorim [ Phone 0832-2414713 ] regurlarly conducts hands-on courses to teach fruit and vegetable preservation as pickles, candies, syrups, squashes, sauces, ketchup, jams, etc.. the courses are of one session a day spread over a week. The registration fee is Rs.25/-. participants have to bring the materials or share the cost. The prepared items are to be taken back by the participants. The next course is being held from Monday 16 may to 20 may, 2005 from 2P.M. to 5 P.M.. Call 2414713 for details/registration. Courses are also conducted ex-Centre for groups on demand. Mango is the flavour of the season. Guavas, chickoos, papaya, banana and other fruits are also available. go ahead, spoil yourself. Save the fruit from spoilagefor a rainy day! Viva Goa. Miguel
[Goanet]By -Elections in Goa.
BY ELECTIONS IN GOA. So the by-elections in Goa are announced and the candidates have been filing their nomination papers. Once again all the old faces are seen queuing for contesting the elections to get themselves re-elected and once they are re-elected, what will be their decision? That there are possibilities for them to get re-elected is certain because their individual charisma and pull towards their voters are tremendous. The parties that they represent will not be of much significance. Once these candidates get re-elected, it is my firm belief that they will defect to any other party that will give them their rewards. All the candidates who betrayed communal and Salazarist type Parrikar by withdrawing their support to him will definitely defect once again from the parties that they are representing now in the by-elections. Defection is become their forte and only thru this forte they will be able to make money. These defectors have no principles. Their only principle is money and grab more and more money by any means. That they have overthrown the Parrikar Governemtn in Goa was a blessing in disguise but that does not mean that these defectors from Parrikar Ministry are innocent. They are crooks to the core and because they are crooks they revolted against Parrikar not for any principle but only for their own personal gains. They dont care for the people, they dont care for the good of Goa, they care only for themselves. Some of them said that they have defected from Parrikar because Parrikar was communal. Fine. But didnt they know that BJP means communalism? How can BJP be secular and inspite of this that they joined Parrikar itself is a proof that the defectors who joined Parrikar by defecting from their parent parties were only for selfish motives. The excuse of VCD and withdrawing of Good Friday Holiday was a fake excuse. The Cristao who supported Parrikar Ministry by defecting from their parent parties are worst than criminals. The Cristao voters and all the secular voters as well must teach them a very good lesson. These voters must in unison ask all the candidates especially those who withdrew their support to Parrikar whether they will remain with the parties from whom they get elected or will they join any other party that they gives benefits for them? Babush, Mickey, Digambar and others must be made to give an undertaking if possible by using some legal methods that they will not join BJP in formimg the next Ministry nor they will join any other party but will remain in the same parties that got them elected. People must bring pressure on UGDP where it is become a fashion to get the candidates elected and after that leave them alone on their own to flirt with any party that gives them good dividends. If possible, people must boycott UGDP which is become a big joke and moreover their party stalwarts are not learning any lesson from the past experience. Radharao Gracias is become a big joke by issuing silly statements when his partymen defect to other party. Voters where UGDP candidates are contesting in the by-elections should ask and get firm assurance from their candidates that they will not defect to any party and the party itself should be made responsible to maintain this assurance. I have noticed one thing from UGDP during the last so many elections that this party is not only creating more defectors but also promoting defectors and it looks like that they are fielding their candidates only to encourage defections. In such a case, is it not advisable for the voters to boycott the candidates of UGDP? From the available information, Isidore, Babush and Mickey whom many called Cristao Traitors and Judases must be made to openly declare that they will never support Parrikar again and will remain firm with Congresses on whose symbols they are contesting the elections. So also Digambar Kamat who flirts from one party to another for gaining personal benefits. All who withdrew their support to Parrikar are first class traitors and as such they should be treated as traitors only in the coming by-elections. Knowing this factor, during the electioneering in the next few days voters and intelligent voters however small in number they may be, must grill them thoroughly on the topic of defection. The young generation who are on the threshold of embarking on their future must ask their candidates what provision they have made to create jobs for the jobless educated in their constituencies and as a proof they must ask the blueptings of their plans. Not a single candidate is thinking of creating jobs for the Goan jobless youths. The young and educated must show their kratia now and get their demands from their candidates otherwise once the candidates are elected they will say to hell with your demand because they will think that they got elected to fulfill their own demand of making more money,
