[Goanet]Re : Fr. Ivo Da C. Souza
Dear Anthony, I know that you have concern for Goa and for Goans. Thank you for your appreciation. We know each other. We have even spoken about publishing my articles in Konkani. Unfortunately I did not continue to write on Dor Mhoineachi Rotti. I do enjoy, whenever I have the opportunity of learning more and sharing my knowledge with others, wherever it may be. I am presently in Germany and continue to learn from the world, from the Church and from the Internet... May God bless you! Ivo da C.Souza Hello Fr. Ivo, During the last few days I have been reading lot of interesting posts written by you and written on you by others. Though belatedly but rightly I must welcome you in this forum with open arms since person of your devine and intellectual calibre will give extra boost to this forum. A. Veronica Fernandes, Kuwait.
Re: [Goanet]RE : India's Right Wing: Hindu Nationalism, or Plain
Mario wrote: <> Lighten up guys. It was only a joke from Halur on how to identify FAke Goans. Halur, see what you started Namaskar! Carlos
[Goanet]Brigido scored at every match - By Vithaldas Hegde (Gomantak Times)
Brigido scored at every match - By Vithaldas Hegde (Gomantak Times) Siolim: Brigidio Fernandes popularly known as Egit was a prolific centre forward who gave a harrowing time to the rival defenders and was perhaps one of the few forwards during those days to score at every match. Another important characteristic of Brigido is tha the could read both the mind of the player and the game. Besides once the ball was passed to him, he could dodge past two players like nothing. He was introduced to soccer while studying at St. Joseph's High School, Arpora and continued at St. Britto's High School, Mapusa and shot into limelight when he was in the eighth standard. He palyed in the inter-village tournaments for Calangute Sports Club and two years later shifted to Siolim Sodlem Sports Club. He was roped in by the Bicholim Sports Club in the first division league in 1966 and continued even after team was adopted by Dempo D'Souza in the very next year. The Bicholim Sports Club was adopted by Dempo Souza in 1967 and was renamed Dempo Souza Sports Club. The dashing forward performed well for Dempo Souza during the 1968 season. He performed a hat-trick in the vital match of the senior division against Sesa Goa Sports Club. Brigido remembers an incident when in Bicholim Sports Club reached the finals in the league match against Benfica, Four anti-social elements came to his house and warned him that if he played against Benfica, they would break his bones and paralyse him for life. "I was a bit scared and so were my people at home", says Brigido. But my best friend Mathias Fernandes who also was my protector everywhere I went, accompanied me to the football ground at the last minute.l Tensions ran high as the news of the threat spread like wildfire and my supporters were ready to go to any length to protect me, recalls Brigido. "I promised my team manager that I could not let him down, and I kep to my world". "I shot the goal at the last minute and Bicholim Sports Club won the match by a solidarity goal, and I was declared man of the match". My rivals were all set to assault me while my fans all ready to protect me and before the incident could take any ugly turn, the then PI of Mapusa Aries D'Souza (Maternal uncle of Churchorem PI Nelson Alburquerque) whisked me off from the football ground and saved my life and avoided an untoward incident on that day. Brigido then switched to Sesa Goa team and played in the senior division league championship and other major tournaments in Calicut, Trissur and Cochin in Kerala. He also played in the Rovers Cup twice ata Mumbai where he was declared as the top scorer of the tournament in 1969. Though he played attractively, he had a short career due to knee injury substained against a Kerala-based FS CT team in the Rovers Cup. He was hit on the knee by a rival player of FSCT deliberately. Despite an injury, he helped Sesa Goa to win the match by scoring both the goals. On return, he was tread by Dr. Gaitonde at the Asilo Hospital, Mapusa and was advised to take complete rest for almost one year. After recovery, he played the last game against Salgaocars Sports Club in the finals of the Goa Police Cup in 1970 which Sesa Goa won by a solitary goal. But before he could decied on his future career, his brother Antonio Lourenco took him to Kuwait thus ending his football career abruuptly. Yet Igit (Brigido) shone in Kuwait where he played for the United Goans Club for about a decade. Igit is till date grateful to former Sesa Goa boss Conzem, who took keen interest in the progress of the team. "Conzen inspired me and was instrumental in shaping the team, I owe a lot to him", he says. Today he has a happy family well backed by his wife Wencesla, sons Garette, Gilmour and daughter Giselle settled in Kuwait and the happiest moment of my life was when my son Gilmour was selected by the Indian School football team in Kuwait to play against Dubai. (The above article was published in Gomantak Times in the column titled "FORGOTTEN HEROES"). - Forwarded by B.M. Viegas to http://www.goa-world.com/ Gulf-Goans e-Newsletter. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Re: Goa, National Geographic, Amazon and Congo...
Fred Noronha asks: Could anyone confirm that National Geographic had this mention? FN Fred, Check this link at National Geographic: *http://tinyurl.com/8eol5 *The blurb on the site says: Treasured watershed of India, these coastal mountains feed grasslands, forests, and a burgeoning human population. Biologist E. O. Wilson introduces a series examining such hotspotsamong Earths richest ecosystems. Peter >> The Western Ghats, which form most of eastern Goa, have been >> internationally recognised as one of the biodiversity hotspots of the >> world. In the February 1999 issue of the National Geographic Magazine, >> Goa was compared with the Amazon and Congo basins for its rich tropical >> biodiversity. >
[Goanet]Re: How did science begin?
Original Message --- "Fr. Ivo Da C. Souza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >It is impossible to have "objective evidence" in > this area. Santosh Helekar responds:> > Not true again. Hypotheses about the origins of the universe and of humankind can certainly be supported by objective evidence. Mario adds: "Not true again"? I find it ironic that Dr. Helekar now says, "Hypotheses about the origins of the universe and of humankind can certainly be supported by objective evidence." In a post on May 5, 2005, along with the now familiar refrains of superior "understanding and knowledge", he had said, "The derivations contained in these papers have been checked and rechecked by countless physicists and mathematicians over the past 35 years, and have been deemed to constitute a plausible description of the physical nature of the Big Bang. However, until this description is supported by objective physical evidence, it would remain a working hypothesis." So, what is it? A hypothesis that "can be supported by objective evidence" or merely a "plausible" working hypothesis that awaits objective physical evidence to be more than just plausible? There are many scientific scholars who continue to wrestle with this dilemma, spending entire careers developing theories that can never be proven. Some, like Dr. Antony Flew, have conceded that an alternative circumstantial hypothesis of a superior being is "reasonable" in the circumstances. Fr.Ivo adds: -*Eicosanoid Balance and Essential Fatty Acids by Ron Kennedy, M.D., Santa Rosa, California "The evolution of life on earth is, to say the least, a fascinating subject of study. It seems to plod along, being the same for eon after eon, punctuated by transformational events. These transformational events create entirely new spaces platforms for life to begin again, on which evolution can redefine itself. Each platform occurs at that point when, apparently, no further progress is possible. The greatest transformation was, of course, from inanimate to living: the creation of life. Without this transformation, nothing further was possible. The invention of living is a miracle which dwarfs all other wonders in the universe. Somehow, living material arose out of random chemical reactions, perhaps by chance, more likely by the hand of God". It is a scientist who speaks! Deo Gratias! Amen!
[Goanet]re: Gilberto on Santoshbab ani Catholic-bashing
Gilbertobaban boroilem: <1. I and many don't care how many people or religions Santosh insults. He is not going to insult ME and MY religion. (Period - End of story!) 2. Please read my original post. I clearly state there that Santosh DOES CHALLENGE Hindu beliefs. But those threads are short and he posts it on the wrong Forum. My prior post: >From the types of subjects (on Hindu beliefs), I would suggest (and I have made this point before) if you seriously want to take on the Right-wing Hindus, you got to take them / post them on their web site and not on Goanet. So who should be apologizing to whom for the misquoting their writings.:=)) response Dear Gilbertbab, The point has been made. Whether one is big enough to cast aside one's prejudices and withdraw an unfortunate remark, is another matter. Thank you for legislating where a Goan like Santosh Helekar should and should not post his views. My submission is as follows: If the Goan d-lists had more Hindu Fundamentalists (at the moment we have about 2 who post now and again), Santosh and Samir would have been debunking those fellas even more than at present. Unfortunately, we have a number of Catholic fundamentalists on the Goan d-lists. Do you believe they do Catholicism any favours? Have the Inquisitioners done any favours to the Catholic Church? Are the child abusers doing any favours to the Catholic Church? Are those who kept silent about the abuse done the Catholic Church any favours? BTW: Gilbertbab, If I may ask you this: WHAT is your position on the Child abuse scandal which hit the Catholic Church and WHAT did you as a Catholic write & do about it? Silence, my dear Gilbert (as George Pinto has rightly said) badly bruised the Church from within. That Silence gave unnecessary credence to those ex-Catholics and RSSites who hate SFX, Mother Teresa and Pope John Paul. Now please do not ask me about "statistics" of the Inquisition in Goa. There are Rt. Wing Hindu nuts who are asking if I have "statistics" of Hindu widows who were also burnt alive in the hundreds of millions by the violent and greedy people who feigned peace - until Afonso de Albuquerque (yes that PORTUGUESE fella), and later the Brits put an end to it via decree. jc ps: I wonder if Mario, Mervyn, et Gabe will watch the discussion of their favourite topic this morning on TV 9:30 EST. Recommended Goan Sites in Cyberspace Goa-World at http://www.goa-world.com * TGF at http://www.colaco.net The Goan Forum d-list is at http://www.egroups.com/groups/goa-goans To respond directly to any post [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Goanet]Re: CATHOLIC
Dr.Santosh has listed several topics being addressed by him in this Forum. Some of them are as follows: a) Prejudice based on religion, ideology, nationality. b) Erroneous assertions whether based on religion or not. c) Irrational or anti-scientific propaganda. d) Claims that faith should supplant science in explaining certain natural phenomena. e) Claims that science has proven the notions of a particular religion. f) Claims that there is no conflict between science and religion. *--1.Prejudice and error are to be shunned in very field. 2.Anti-scientific as well as anti-religious propaganda to be avoided. 3.I never said that Faith should supplant Science in explaining certain natural phenomena. 4.There can be harmony between "tenets" of Science and some "notions of a particular religion", which is to be proved. 5.There is no conflict between Science and Bible. Ivo da C.Souza
[Goanet]Why are people important !!!
People come into your life for a reason, a season or a lifetime. When you know which one it is, you will know what to do for that person. When someone is in your life for a REASON, it is usually to meet a need you have expressed. They have come to assist you through a difficulty, to provide you with guidance and support, to aid you physically, emotionally or spiritually. They may seem like a GOD send and they are. They are there for the reason you need them to be. Then, without any wrong doing on your part or at an inconvenient time, this person will say or do something to bring the relationship to an end. Sometimes they die. Sometimes they walk away. Sometimes they act up and force you to take a stand. What we must realize is that our need has been met, our desire fulfilled, their work is done. The prayer you sent up has been answered and now it is time to move on. Some people come into your life for a SEASON, because your turn has come to share, grow or learn. They bring you an experience of peace or make you laugh. They may teach you something you have never done. They usually give you an unbelievable amount of joy. Believe it, it is real. But only for a season. LIFETIME relationships teach you lifetime lessons, things you must build upon in order to have a solid emotional foundation. Your job is to accept the lesson, love the person and put what you have learned to use in all other relationships and areas of your life. It is said that love is blind but friendship is clairvoyant.
[Goanet]Re: SALIENT ONLINE SCAM
Hi Ms. e Mello (Blondie), A question for all that you wrote. You wrote so much and you wrote it so well. Do these messages reach the right people and do these people make the time in reading so. Many thanks. Joao. From: Maria Demello Subject: [Goanet]Re: SALIENT ONLINE SCAM Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 15:07:01 -0400 The Saleint Online scam is one of the biggest scams one has ever heard about and the way the Goa Police Department is handling the case, gives a doubt that they are hand in gloves to cheat the thousands of innocent investors. Isn't it ridiculous to send the police team to Chennai without the search warrant, it
[Goanet]Re: 1089 Salgaokars Petition The Governor
I hope others in Goa and overseas (Goans) will support the Salmona Springs cause. But the bharati governor is no excellency! B. Colaco > We the residents of Saligao, would like to preserve the entire > Salmona Spring area in our village as a protected forest, bird > sanctuary and conservation area. This needs to be done in order > to protect the rich biodiversity of this unique bit of natural > heritage left to us by our ancestors. > > Thank you. > Signed by 1089 villagers. > (petition ends) > > > muriel & mario,
Re: [Goanet]RE : India's Right Wing: Hindu Nationalism, or Plain
I think Halur was only making a humorous comment on Fake Goans because lots of labels have been used in this forum. Halur could confirm this if he wishes. I think Fake Goans is the latest one on this forum. We heard of Hindu Goan (our cousins) Muslim Goan (cousins they claim) Catholic Goan (the best brand on Earth) Sardaji Goan(the one who got married to my cousin, nice guy though) Aryan Goan (the ones who walked and walked all the way to South Asia) Dravidian Goan, also one of my cousins ( the smart ones, the software geeks) Punjabi Goan (no comment) Lalu Goan (the corrupt selfish ones) Taliban Goan (the militants, extremist) Half Goan (100/2/1/1) 1/4 Goan 1/8 th Goan (100/12/1/1/1) American Goan (the world's best, even better than the best brand available. Bush wanted to become one but was denied) Portuguese Goan (2nd best to American Goans, because of them we might be going to Heaven) Kuwaiti Goan (Oh yes) Iraqi Goan (looks little bit like Saddam, but not exactly) Chinese Goan (the ones with kinky eyes) African Goan (my friend's father-in law's brother's son) and so on. I made up some of these too for future use. Then there are others like Lapit Popot Poder Pedroo Lapiao Joao Botler Then the better ones still Macapao (Maka Pao Di) (you know we cannot live without bread) Goanese (better still) and so on. But all these great guys originate from a place now called India, have Indian brothers called Indians, and so on. We can run, but we cannot hide Interestingly, these comments have nothing to do with the posting related to the subject. Jai Hind! Carlos
[Goanet]SOME WORK FOR GOA'S POLITICIANS
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-1113594,curpg-1.cms PM plans a Rs120k-cr blitz in cities GIRISH KUBER TIMES NEWS NETWORK[ WEDNESDAY, MAY 18, 2005 12:25:09 AM] MUMBAI: Call it the Manmohan Singh government's first anniversary gift to 60 overcrowded, choked cities across the country. The Singh government is working on a programme to provide these cities with a facelift. This will entail a total investment exceeding Rs 1,20,000 crore over the next five years. As part of the National Urban Renewal Mission, the Centre has drawn up a plan to boost infrastructure development in seven mega cities - including Mumbai and Delhi - along with 53 other big cities. --- The job for our politicians: get around bureaucratic definitions of "cities" and see that "Goa state" qualifies as a "city" in this mega plan. Our job: to push the politicians to do this. Coz ultimately we have only ourselves to blame if politicians dont do things we want them to (and do things we dont want them to).
Re: [Goanet]Re: [Goanet: WAR IN IRAQ
On 16/05/05, Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- Mervyn Lobo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yep, I get it. > > Saddam did not keep a record of having destroying > > nothing. On a serious note, the UN inspector was two > > weeks away from reporting that Saddam did indeed > > have no WMD. George Bush sent 1,300 young Americans > to death, rather than believe the UN inspectors. > > Mario replies: > Mervyn, how many different ways do I have to explain > this to you, before we can break down your mental > block, probably put there by reading the propaganda in > the Globe & Mail? EVERYONE since 2003 has known that > no WMDs were found in Iraq. NO ONE knows what > happened to them. > > Even Saddam and al Zarkawi would be impressed with > your determined defense of one of the most brutal > dictators of modern times. I wonder if you are one of > those who were awarded oil-vouchers for your steadfast > loyalty to the movement. RESPONSE: Oil vouchers? Another fabricated USA story... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4556113.stm Galloway takes on US oil accusers The MP dismissed allegations against him George Galloway has told US senators who accused him of profiting from Iraq oil dealings their allegations were the "mother of all smokescreens". In a combative performance before a senate committee, the British MP accused the US lawmakers of being "cavalier" with justice. He said: "I am not now nor have I ever been an oil trader and neither has anyone on my behalf." The senators say he was given credits to buy Iraqi oil by Saddam Hussein. ...Sanctions busters? "The difference is Donald Rumsfeld met him to sell him guns and maps - the better to target those guns. I met him to try to bring about an end to sanctions, suffering and war," he said. The biggest sanctions busters were American companies "with the connivance" of the US government. Mr Galloway denied being an apologist for the former Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein. He said he had been a long-term opponent of Saddam, and had a much better record of opposition to the Iraqi leader than members of the American or British governments. He is not expecting a sympathetic hearing but hopefully the truth will out Comment: Makes all rightwingers wanna weep, egg on de face! Gabe Menezes. London England.
[Goanet]ALERT:Tax on drugs and medicines is 4% under the Goa VAT Act.
--- Do GOACAN a favour, circulate this email to your family members, relatives, neighbours and friends. Help others be BETTER INFORMED, The time is come for the people of Goa to ORGANISE not AGONISE !! --- -- Documented by Goa Desc Resource Centre Ph:2252660 Website: www.goadesc.org Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Press Clippings on the web: http://www.goadesc.org/mem/ -- - Tax on drugs and medicines is 4% under the Goa VAT Act. - Commercial Taxes Advertisement OFFICE OF THE COMMISSIONER OF COMMERCIAL TAXES GOVERNMENT OF GOA, PANAJI ATTENTION CONSUMERS !! ATTENTION DEALERS !! It is brought to the notice of the public that on consumer goods, Value Added Tax (VAT) is not payable over and above the Maximum Retail Price (MRP) marked on the packaged commodities. The MRP marked on the packaged commodities is inclusive of all taxes and as such no VAT can be charged by a dealer over and above MRP, as MRP includes VAT. However in respect of drugs and medicines where the packages are marked with MRP with local tax extra, VAT is chargeable on MRP. The rate of tax on drugs and medicines is 4% under the Goa Value Added Tax Act. The goods which were purchased on payment of sales tax by the dealer during the year 2004-2005 and which were in stock as on 31/3/05 for these goods the dealer is eligible to claim input tax credit in respect of sales tax already paid. Hence the dealer while selling these goods after 1/4/2005 should charge VAT only on the net price excluding sales tax, paid. As the sales tax paid is being set off for the these goods under VAT regime. Issued by: The Commissioner of Commercial Taxes Government of Goa -- HERALD 27/4/05 page 11 - --- GOA CIVIC AND CONSUMER ACTION NETWORK --- an initiative of GOA DESC RESOURCE CENTRE to promote civic and consumer rights in Goa --- GOACAN Post Box 78 Mapusa, Goa 403 507 Tel: 2252660 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.goacan.org ---
Re: [Goanet]RE : India's Right Wing: Hindu Nationalism, or Plain
--- Gabe Menezes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This would apply to those who assume Catholic identity - as opposed to 'Cafeteria Catholics' who pick and choose which tenets of the faith they like. The fake ones are those that commit identity theft! Elementary, my dear fellow. > Mario asks the mythical Halur Rasho: Halur, my dear fellow, I wonder whether this "elementary" definition - in the definer's own words - has increased or decreased your anxiety, because it sounds like a distinction without much of a difference. With due deference to the author of the old adage, "People who live in religious cafeterias should perhaps keep their fake stones in their pockets", if you know what I mean. Since most religions, even the "religion" assumed by our intrepid scientists (which they will stoutly deny), are based on large doses of faith (hypotheses that can never be proven is the scientific equivalent), is a discussion of comparative religious superiority ever anything more than an excercise in futility?
[Goanet]Re: Tutti-Sensitiviti
Gabe and Jose, In general I enjoy your posts even though I may not agree with everything you present. I really didn't remember who posted the joke and wasn't about to go back through all the digests to find the illustrious contributor (who ended up identifying his bias anyway). Also, I didn't want to get into the "Uganda/Tanzania" issue of wrongly crediting it but did want to point out how an seemingly innocuous event could adversly affect some members of a diverse groups such as on GoaNet. Why can't we all be held to same standards that are expected of Santosh? As a joke, it was marginal as it made use of a poor pun. As a statement, it titillated at the expense of an identifiable group. Gabe, you added insult to injury by stating the obvious. Do you not think there are any homosexuals on this list? Jose, what did you expect your "broken-wristed" colleagues to do but laugh while inwardly probably seething. It is exactly this type of sentiment that has to change if we are to respect each other on this forum and in life. I'm no "angel" myself as I may be offensive to the religiously inclined but I'm trying to be more sensitive and will expect to be reprimanded when I slip up as well. But for now, I have decided to state my objections whenever I perceive an injustice. Sorry guys, I'm not even on the Admin team yet ... so to pre-answer your question of... "So who died and made you the boss?" ... YOUR CONSCIENCE :-))) So far, I'm enjoying being back on GoaNet even though I may not contribute as often as I'd like to. Hope I don't get kicked off. Kevin Saldanha Mississauga, Canada ps. I have edited out Jose's comments as I didn't have his permission to repost them to the group. /ks jose colaco wrote: > On 17/05/05, Kevin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I would be remiss if I didn't point out my disgust at whoever posted the > "tuti frutti" joke. You definitely offended some members of this list with > it. This list is as good at it's lowest common denominator... let's try to > raise that standard. > > >From: Gabe Menezes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > RESPONSE: Sorry I touched a raw nerve, the only ones who might have taken > offence would IMHO have been gays.
Re: [Goanet]Constructive bashing
On 17/05/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Kevin. > > A good posting. > I would like to add that the best thing to do is to ignore the posting > when it gets personal or dirty. > Let's show respect to each other, maturity and decency. > The silent people on the net are smart enough to make a judgment on > every posting they choose to read. > Regarding the tuti frutty joke, I think I missed reading it. > > Best Regards, > Carlos RESPONSE: Are you inferring something I may have misssed? WRT when it gets personal or dirty. The posting was personal as far as Kevin is concerned? Or did it get personal because he felt is was denigrating the Pope and thereby Catholics? I would honestly appreciate a response from you Carlos. cheers. Gabe Menezes. London England. P.S. As far as I can make out, Kevin has not divulged his sexuality.
[Goanet]Re: CATHOLIC Religion posts
GL Hi Santosh, Thanks for your last post on this thread. Below YOU make my EXACT POINT - Precisely and Approximately.:=)) You bash / lambaste religion because of any crack-pot post that covers any of the following subjects that you have outlined below. And unfortunately there are many of those crack-pot posts which our moderators cannot or do not want to restrict. Most are benign and reflects someone's private belief. The harm is when the micro-dissection starts. The best is the recent gender examination of the God-the-Father and the sexist innuendoes that accompanied it. And when one starts or responds to those 10 categories of crack-pot post, on subjects below it becomes a Pissing Contest. As a pediatrician you know what I mean.:=)) Your list and points pretty much summarizes my perspective and we are on the same page. I am sure you get my point amigo. How much more sense do you want me to make.:=)) Finally, I and many don't care how many people or religions Santosh insults. He or anybody else is not going to insult ME and MY religion. Is it OK to be a rapist as long as one does not discriminate against any single woman? This is like saying that I should allow a man to urinate in my front yard because he does that in every body else's yard. What logic is this about being OK if one is an equal opportunity basher of religion? In fact because we are polite, we go easy on the individual poster (making the crack-pot post) and harsh on the religion rather than the reverse. I am sure the readers following this thread know this is not a personal issue between Santosh and myself. But rather the principle of the issues here. Regards, GL > Santosh: > I have no interest in posting private anti-Catholic messages to > anybody. My posts have always been in reaction to the following: > > a) Prejudice based on religion, ideology, nationality, etc., > b) Erroneous assertions whether based on religion or not, > c) Irrational or anti-scientific propaganda, > d) Claims that faith should supplant science in explaining certain natural > phenomena, > e) Claims that science has proven the notions of a particular religion, > f) Claims that there is no conflict between science and religion, > g) Holier than thou attitude of individuals whether on the basis of religion > or not, > h) Exhortations by individuals demanding immunity against criticism > for religion or some other such special status for religion, > i) Attempts by some to shut others up or expel them because of their > religious criticisms, > j) Repeated name-calling and abuse on account ofsimple disagreements, > k) Unwarranted generalizations based on isolated or infrequent occurrences.
Re: [Goanet]Re: [Goanet: WAR IN IRAQ
On 16/05/05, Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mario replies: > Mervyn, how many different ways do I have to explain > this to you, before we can break down your mental > block, probably put there by reading the propaganda in > the Globe & Mail? EVERYONE since 2003 has known that > no WMDs were found in Iraq. NO ONE knows what > happened to them. RESPONSE: Everyone knows the propaganda... Subject: NO WMD's fullstop! http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1484410,00.html Secret emails, missing weapons In an exclusive interview, a former arms inspector tells Antony Barnett that, a year after the Kelly affair, a spy chief tried to 'sex up' his Iraq report Sunday May 15, 2005 The Observer As one of the world's leading experts in biological and chemical warfare, Barton had been hand-picked by the CIA to be the special adviser to the Iraq Survey Group (ISG), the body to which George Bush and Tony Blair had given the task of finding Iraq's weapons of mass destruction. Barton, who worked for the Australian secret intelligence services for more than 20 years, was working on what was shaping up to be a highly controversial 200-page report. Despite all the publicly stated optimism of the British and US governments that the survey group would find Saddam's WMDs and help justify their decision to invade, the group was preparing to reach quite different and damning conclusions. Not only did Saddam not have any WMDs at the time of the US-led invasion, the report would boldly state, he had not had any programmes to manufacture such weapons after 1991. For the critics of the war, it would be used as evidence that Britain's 2002 WMD dossier was wrong. 'I had come to that conclusion within one week of arriving,' said Barton. But it seems on that cool January evening, his visitor from the UK had different ideas. Members of the intelligence services rarely speak about the secret world they inhabit. But for the first time in the British media, Barton has decided to talk about the extraordinary events he witnessed last year. His account gives a fascinating insight into the operation of the intelligence services and throws a light on a shadowy world. ... Comment: so once and for all forget the rightwing Newspapers, the rightwing rulers of the World and lastly but not least the rightwing people of this world; it was all hogwash! Cheers, Gabe Menezes. London England.
[Goanet]Re: Carlos, India's Right Wing Hindu Propaganda et al (F)
JC: However, IF a contract has been signed before the Accession of Kashmir, it should be honoured. in response the following From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Carlos: Hell with the contract (sorry to say that). The sub continent should not have been partitioned based on religion. Who got a better deal? == Mogal Carlos, The choice to go to hell is a very personal one, and legal. However, the choice to send a Signed Contract is neither personal nor legal. BTW (and this is my last public submission on this topic), I am begining to to wonder How much you know about the India you claim to Jai Jai so much. What has "who got the better deal" got to do with the Hindu Kashmiris from the Jammu area concerned about illegal Kashmiri residency certificates obtained by non-Kashmiris? Anyway...that is it from me on this topic. jc --- http://law.freeadvice.com/ What is a contract? A contract is an agreement between two or more persons (individuals, businesses, organizations or government agencies) to do, or to refrain from doing, a particular thing in exchange for something of value. The terms of the contract - the who, what, where, when, and how of the agreement - define the BINDING promises of each party to the contract. _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
[Goanet]All credit to Gilbert
Santosh Helekar wrote: "Gilbert, the problem with you is you give too much credit to yourself, which frankly you don't deserve." -- Dear Santosh, I disagree. I think Gilbert deserves all the credit he gives himself. Gilbert Lawrence has singularly proven that: - The Inquisition did not take place in Goa. - There is no caste discrimination of any sorts in Goa - There are no paedophile/homosexual Catholic priests etc etc. Besides he has also written and self-published a book on Goa. It is not an easy task for someone who has to sift through so many Goa related books and sites and compile other people's writing into a new book. We need people like Gilbert around to bring us back to the reality of armchair analysis and lengthy logical dichotomy. Please do not deny Gilbert the credit he gives himself. Cecil
[Goanet]Reuters two reports....
http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=businessNews&storyID=2005-05-16T233008Z_01_N16232616_RTRIDST_0_BUSINESS-FINANCIAL-MORGANSTANLEY-PERELMAN-DC.XML Morgan Stanley ordered to pay damages Mon May 16, 2005 7:29 PM ET By Michael Christie WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. (Reuters) - U.S. investment bank Morgan Stanley was ordered on Monday to pay $604 million in damages to Ronald Perelman, the billionaire investor who claimed he was defrauded by the Wall Street company over the sale of a business. -- http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2005-05-17T001108Z_01_N16479546_RTRIDST_0_NEWS-RELIGION-KORAN-DC.XML Newsweek retracts story on koran under pressure! WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Newsweek magazine on Monday retracted a report that U.S. interrogators at Guantanamo Bay had desecrated the Koran after the story triggered protests in Afghanistan that killed 16 people and the White House criticized it Comment: Just as well it was an USA News Report - else all hell would have broken loose! Cheers, Gabe Menezes. London, England
[Goanet]Goanet News Bytes * May 17, 2005 * Why Vasco's politics stink...
[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] G o a n e t - N e w s B y t e s MAY 17, 2005 DATELINE: GOA / d8 Founded in 1994 e88~88e e88~-_/~~~8e 888-~88e e88~~8e _d88__ by Herman 888 888 d888 i 88b 888 888 d888 88b 888 Carneiro "88_88" | e88~-888 888 888 __888 888 --- / Y888 ' C888 888 888 888 Y888, 888 http://www.goanet.org Cb "88_-~ "88_-888 888 888 "88___/ "88_/ Y8""8D http://www.goanet.org * http://www.goanet.org * http://www.goanet.org [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] IN TODAY'S EZINE: Why Vasco's civic politics stink... a Verna college ties up with Canada... and tiatrist Premanand Lotlikar is the BJP's candidate for the Benaulim seat. More below... MORMUGAO'S MUNICIPALITY MANY SINS: It is Goa's gateway to the world -- its airport, its seaport. It was to be the capital of the Portuguese Estado da India when Sambhaji annexed Bassein in 1712. It is the constituency of the Goa state BJP president. It is a city rife with chairpersons falling like nine-pins and, thanks to rampant corruption, the most dangerous city to live in. Tragically, inspite of Vasco being the melting pot of industry, enterprise and culture, it's a city that has no god-fathers, no protectors. Or even an identity. In a three-part series titled 'Vasco -- Goa's Orphan City', Gomantak Times looks at how betrayal, deception and corruption crippled the Mormugao Municipal Council. And the city of Vasco. (GT) AGNEL SIGNS MoU WITH CANADIAN COLLEGE; Agnel Charities of Verna and Algoquin College of Ottawa signed a memorandum of understanding on rural health education. Both institutions will work in areas concerning nutritional problems, HIV, sanitation and other areas concerning the health of rural people in South Goa. CIDA, the Canadian International Aid Agency, has provided Can$400,000 and Algoquin College will provide Can$132.000.(GT) COPS DANCE TO MATKA KING'S TUNE: In Ponda town, a grand party thrown by a kingpin involved in 'matka' (two-digit illegal gambling) had many police officials on its guest list. The nexus between law enforcers and law breakers is growing. In Ponda, matka flourishes with the blessings of the Ponda police.(GT) o Two convicts flee Aguada in jail break. (GT) o Zantye panel sweeps Bicholim Urban Co-op Bank elections. (GT) o No trust move against Carambolim sarpanch, Sunil Anand Naik. (GT) World of politics - TIATRIST Premanand Lotlikar is the BJP candidate for Benaulim. Asked whether he had embraced the BJP because of ideology or any other reason, former Congressman Lotlikar said "the Congress once denied me the ticket on grounds that I am a Hindu. Given this position, I do not find any differences on the ideology of the two parties." (Herald) o 26 candidates in all to contest Goa's 5 by-election seats. (GT) Goa Su-Raj party president Floriano Lobo filed his nomination for the Taleigao constituency on Monday. (GT-photo) o Janata Party candidate Nilkant Bhomkar gives the slip, runs away from the race. Party leaders found him untraceable when it came to filing his nomination form for the Cumbharjua seat.(GT) o Parrikar getting frustrated as (Digambar) Kamat gains support in Margao, claims Congress. (GT) o Computer teachers threaten stir over unemployment fears. (H) Sangh (RSS) Parivar members suffered a setback in the elections of the apex institution for co-operative societies in the state, and a panel fielded by Ramchandra Mule made a clean sweep. Prominent losers in the Goa Rajya Sahakari Sangh Maryadit elections were the president of the co-operative wing of the RSS (Sahakar Bharti) and vice-chairman of the Goa State Co-operative Bank Rajkumar Desai, and others. (Herald) There's a lot more than meets the eye in co-operative politics in Goa. NIRMALA SAWANT'S ASSETS: Deposits, Rs 2.77 crore, three cranes, seven cars (including a Mercedes Benz), two two-wheelers, agricultural land in Sanguem worth Rs 2.90 crore (Rs 29 million), etc. (H) - DEATHS & OBITUARIES - BAINA-VASCO: Franky D'Cruz of Alto de Pritas. b 1984. Son of late Andrew and Minguelina D'Cruz. MAINA CURTORIM: Domingos J Dias, b 1933. Husband of Eularia. Father/in law of Paul/Gina, Margaret/Joe, Pasquella, Patrick and Connie/Lober. - GOA SPORTS
[Goanet]Andaman tribals: Study shows African ancestry
Andaman tribals: Study shows African ancestry http://www.ndtv.com/morenews/showmorestory.asp?slug=Andaman+tribals:+Study+shows+African+link&id=73133 T S Sudhir Tuesday, May 17, 2005 (Hyderabad): It's a fact that's been suspected for years, and has now been confirmed. A study by the Centre for Cellular and Molecular Biology (CCMB) establishes that the tribals on the Andaman and Nicobar Islands have African ancestry and have nothing in common with the Indian sub-continent. According to the study, the first persons to leave Africa landed in India and thereafter settled down on the Andaman Islands. And now, the tribal population from Goa down to Kerala, will be the object of a DNA study to be conducted by the CCMB. Conducting tests Scientists will study tribes along India's west coast because that is the route the early humans apparently took to travel from Africa through the Red Sea, and finally to the Andamans. The scientists believe there could be tribes with traces of African origin and older than the ones found in the Andamans. The Hyderabad-based CCMB's three-year long research has established that the Great Andamanese and Onges tribes on the Andaman islands are closer to the Africans rather than to any tribes in the Indian sub-continent. "The first man who left Africa took the sea route and reached the Andamans. And he stayed put there," said Dr Lalji Singh, Director, CCMB. Warning sounded The scientists, who established the origin after comparing a specific kind of genetic material called mitochondrial DNA of the tribes with those of existing populations in Africa, however sound a warning. "They are more threatened today than they were before. Just like our lions and tigers are threatened as the natural habitat is dwindling. We are forcing them to indulge in inbreeding and inbreeding leads to extinction in future,'' said Lalji Singh. The tribals bury their dead, but with many of them hostile to outsiders, it has not yet been possible to study the bones of the dead. Scientists believe the graves could provide answers to what may have happened thousands of years ago. - Jai Hind! Carlos
Re: [Goanet]RE : India's Right Wing: Hindu Nationalism, or Plain
On 17/05/05, halur rasho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How does one identify FAKE Catholic Goans? I have a > number of friends who are goan catholics(or claim to > be!), but until now I had no idea they could be > fake > > Anxiously > Halur > > > > > 3i. Is it true that most of these FAKE Catholic > > Goans are now illegally > > settled in the UK and France? RESPONSE: This would apply to those who assume Catholic identity - as opposed to 'Cafeteria Catholics' who pick and choose which tenets of the faith they like. The fake ones are those that commit identity theft! Elementary my dear fellow. cheers. Gabe Menezes. London England.
Re: [Goanet]RE : India's Right Wing: Hindu Nationalism, or Plain
re: < 3i. Is it true that most of these FAKE Catholic > Goans are now illegally settled in the UK and France? > From: halur rasho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> How does one identify FAKE Catholic Goans? I have a number of friends who are goan catholics(or claim to be!), but until now I had no idea they could be fake Anxiously Halur Dear Halur, Thank You for asking. Am heppy to clarify. These individuals are neither Goan nor Catholic. These are Gujratis, Bhaiyyas, Sardars et al who got FAKE certificates that they are the Catholic Goans (who incidently lie in the cemeteries of Goa) i.e. They are FAKE Catholic Goans. for reference An excerpt of "dead men flying" + related articles at http://www.colaco.net always happy to assist in anxiety situations jc _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
Re: [Goanet]Brits blamed for farmers' suicides in India
--- halur rasho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If Dalip Mukarji is so against trade, why does he live in the one country whose properity is linked to trade? Mario replies: Arre, yaar, for the same reason that the most vehement opponents of democracy for those who don't have it are people who live safely in democracies.
[Goanet]Goanet News Bytes * May 16, 2005 * Pulse polio drive in Goa
[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] G o a n e t - N e w s B y t e s MAY 16, 2005 DATELINE: GOA / d8 Founded in 1994 e88~88e e88~-_/~~~8e 888-~88e e88~~8e _d88__ by Herman 888 888 d888 i 88b 888 888 d888 88b 888 Carneiro "88_88" | e88~-888 888 888 __888 888 --- / Y888 ' C888 888 888 888 Y888, 888 http://www.goanet.org Cb "88_-~ "88_-888 888 888 "88___/ "88_/ Y8""8D Full details about Goanet are at http://www.goanet.org You can subscribe to the Goanet/GoanetDigest via that site. To unsubscribe from this list, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you find this ezine useful, please recommend it to your friends and others from Goa. To sign-up http://newsfromgoa.swiki.net http://www.goanet.org * http://www.goanet.org * http://www.goanet.org [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] IN TODAY'S EZINE: Goa goes on a pulse polio campaign. St Xavier's College helps the nearby village of Assagao. News from the political front, sports and a special series of crab recipes crafted specially for Goanet. SALCETE'S COAST NEEDS ATTENTION: With business activities along Salcete's coastal belt growing at a fast pace, crime prevention, traffic management and law-and-order in this area have become an onerous task. Thousands of tourists stream into Colva, and nearby areas, considered fine beaches. But with the increasing business and social activities, urgent attention is needed from the authorities.(NT) BJP LEGACY: The new building complex 'Dindayal Bhavan' of the Dindoyal Urban Co-operative Society was inaugurated by North Goa MP Shripad Naik. (NT) The good news - o No polio case detected in Goa during the past decade. (NT) o Over 1,20,000 given polio dose in Goa, as part of national campaign to eradicate polio in India. (H) o At 125 years old, St Stephen's in Delhi is one of India's most elite colleges. (IANS) o St Xavier's College is using knowledge and energy of its students to help the nearby village of Assagao. Environmental cleanliness is sought to be promoted; there are plans for a mental health survey. (Nerita Baptista in the Herald) TRIBUTE TO FELICIO CARDOSO, the Konkani journalist who died a year back (with Fr Freddy Da Costa) from the prominent Konkani-to-English translator Xavier Cota, formerly in Tanzania: "Who knows, the spirit of Felicio Cardoso, who recognised the Romi-script as a necessary bridge to lead thousands of marginalised Goans back into the Konkani mainstream, may yet inspire a high-quality self-sustaining Romi Konkani daily, which will be a by-word for courageous, credible journalism for a new Goan renaissance!" (Herald) >From the world of politics -- o Contesting politicians declare assets (NT) You'll be surprised how rich and unrepresentative some candidates actually are! o Congress lodges complaint against Parrikar with Election Commission for calling Governor Jamir a "Congress agent". (NT) o Late-comers to file their nominations today. (GT) o Barely 13.8% cast votes in elections for Bicholim co-op bank. (NT) o Election commission bans use of official vehicles for electioneering.(NT) o With 1200 votes at stake, the shanties of the migrant-dominated Monte Dongor spread over 20,000 sq metres is seeing hectic politicking. In Margao's lone notified slum, political parties jostle to pocket the migrant 'block' vote. (Guilherme Almeida, H) Actual issues, such as conservation of the green cover, fertile farms, providing drainage, solid waste management and sewage treatment, health and sanitation in Taleigao constituency need to be addressed by the candidates before it is too late to do anything. -- Nandkumar Kamat, in the Navhind Times. "Goa hails the real man of the masses, Churchill Alemao," from a full-page newspaper advertisement on his 56th birthday. In a photo, the South Goa MP is shown with his wife, five daughters, and one son. - DEATHS & OBITUARIES - Rajan Panikar of Potta, Kerala was brutally killed by some gang near the Tivim railway station, at midnight. (NT) GOMANTAK TIMES SAYS: Altercation after a drink leads to a murder. BORIM: D S Angadi, headmaster of Pragati Vidyalaya. CARONA: Apolone Francisca Castelino e Correa, b 1933. Wife of late Nicholas Correa, sister of late Afra Lobo, late Ofelia Bocarro, late Eremita Sequeira. Mother/in-law of Margaret/Edmund, Hillary/Judith, Mescia/Joseph, Myrtle/M
[Goanet]Churchill's claims over Dabolim airport
Hi Philip (Thomas): Since you've been following this issue so closely, just thought of asking your comment. In the NT of May 16, 2005 the North Goa MP Churchill Alemao makes these claims about the Dabolim airport in a full-page ad full of self-praise: As a candidate for the South Goa Parliamentary Constituency, Churchill had promised to ensure that the present domestic airport at Dabolim continues to function and thus ensure that the lifeline of the people of the coastal belt, who thrive on the tourism trade is not affected. By putting up a spirited defence in Parliament, Churchill has managed to achieve this and ensure that Charters are allowed to land on Fridays, which was never allowed in the past. The resultant unprecedented increase in charter tourism is a proof of this move. What's the position, in you view, of the achievements -- or lack of them -- by politicians over Dabolim? On a wider plane (no pun intended), is there some way concerned citizens can monitor what politicians are promising, and what's accomplished or forgotten? Is there some way the issues that matter could also be put on the agenda for the political class, which otherwise seems least bothered? FN .. Frederick (FN) Noronha | Freelance Journalist | Mobile +91 9822 122436 Tel +91.832.2409490| http://fn.swiki.net | http://www.bytesforall.net ..
[Goanet]Dr Helekar
Netters , For what its worth, I would just like to add my words of support to what Dr Helekar has posted. Never in all my years (its been a while) on the goanet have I ever seen any post by him that would suggest that he has a special dislike for one particular religion. While I may not always agree with his posting as a mostly silent ( that's not a virtue :) ) goanetter I have enjoyed reading his verbal duels with people of different religious backgrounds. Calling him ' anti-Catholic ' is flat wrong and disingenuous at the very least. Keep posting Santosh . Its been a while since we heard from President Pandurang Fernandes :) it might be time for him to step out with some much needed common sense . On an unrelated note where is Sunila Muzawar, there is another Goanetter I miss. May be we should have a where are they now section .. Fred ? Sidney -- *** Sidney Fernandes[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Message: 12 Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 20:33:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Santosh Helekar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Goanet]Re: CATHOLIC Religion posts To: goanet@goanet.org Reply-To: goanet@goanet.org Gilbert, I am sorry to say this but you have not cut out the nonsense. So I will just wade through all the innuendo and respond briefly to some specific canards you pull against me. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >"There ought to be no limits on religious bashing on >Goanet." > >So do you really agree with the above statement you >made. If you do, please explain yourself. > Yes, there ought to be no limits on religious bashing on Goanet.The reason is simple. It is my contention that religion should receive no special treatment. There is nothing special about religion. It is just like any other issue. > >As regards you laundry list of Anti-Hindu posts (I >only take it as an educational tid bit) is not as long >as you make it out to be. Those threads are short and >end fast becasue no Goanetters argue with you about >those subjects. > Bunch of nonsense! Please go look up my long arguments with Sunila Muzawar, Filomena Giese, Samir Kelekar, among others, on Ayurveda, Vedic Astrology, Vastushastra and ancient Indian wisdom. But you leveled a charge against me that I did not criticize Hindu beliefs. Are you big enough to admit that you were wrong? Will you retract your charge? Or will you keep moving your goal posts? > >Let me be more helpful, if you want to post an >anti-Catholic message, why don't you just send a >private post to George Pinto? > I have no interest in posting private anti-Catholic messages to anybody. My posts have always been in reaction to the following: a) Prejudice based on religion, ideology, nationality, etc., b) Erroneous assertions whether based on religion or not, c) Irrational or anti-scientific propaganda, d) Claims that faith should supplant science in explaining certain natural phenomena, e) Claims that science has proven the notions of a particular religion, f) Claims that there is no conflict between science and religion, g) Holier than thou attitude of individuals whether on the basis of religion or not, h) Exhortations by individuals demanding immunity against criticism for religion or some other such special status for religion, i) Attempts by some to shut others up or expel them because of their religious criticisms, j) Repeated name-calling and abuse on account ofsimple disagreements, k) Unwarranted generalizations based on isolated or infrequent occurrences. > >And the rest of us will be spared your and others >religion-related hate-filled posts. > Show me one post from me that is hate-filled. > >And by the way, your alter-ego George Pinto should >know this is a Goanet chat channel. > George Pinto is not my alter-ego. I have only one alter-ego. His name is President Pandurang Fernandes, and he is a very religious man. In fact, God speaks to him in his ear every single day. Actually, nowadays He calls him on his cell phone every single hour. Cheers, Santosh P.S. If you want to respond to this post, please cut out the nonsense, and this time use Cecil Pinto's name, instead of George Pinto or Mario Goveia.
Re: [Goanet]Brits blamed for farmers' suicides in India
If Dalip Mukarji is so against trade , why does he live in the one country whose properity is linked to trade? Mr. Mukarji would be well advised to study econ 101, trade benefits everybody!! Western charities primarily act to perpetuate poverty in India!!1 --- Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Britain blamed for farmers suicides in India > Sify News, Monday, 16 May , 2005, 16:18 > > London: Trade reforms backed and funded by the > British > government caused an agricultural crisis in India, > leading to a large number of suicides among > impoverished farmers, particularly in Andhra > Pradesh, > a leading charity in London has said. > > More than 4,000 farmers had killed themselves in > Andhra Pradesh since a programme of free-market > measures was implemented by a "hardline liberalising > regime" (Chandrababu Naidu regime) with the help of > 1.65 million pounds (approx Rs 84 crore) grant from > Britains Department for International Development > (DfiD), a study for the Christian Aid claimed. > > According to the report, the dramatic increase in > the > suicide rate, which saw 2,115 farmers take their > lives > last year compared with 588 in 2003, is directly > linked to British support for policies joining aid > to > economic liberalisation in developing economies. > > "It is a scandal that the British government has > backed policies and pumped British taxpayers money > into schemes which have contributed to poor Indian > farmers killing themselves," director of the > Christian > Aid Daleep Mukarji said. > > "The report shows in stark detail the damage that is > done to poor people when the dogma of so-called free > trade is pursued in the name of poverty relief," he > added. > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet]RE : India's Right Wing: Hindu Nationalism, or Plain
How does one identify FAKE Catholic Goans? I have a number of friends who are goan catholics(or claim to be!), but until now I had no idea they could be fake Anxiously Halur > > 3i. Is it true that most of these FAKE Catholic > Goans are now illegally > settled in the UK and France? > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet]Navelim Youth Centre lift G.O.A. Trophy (Kuwait)
On 17/05/05, Goa-World.Com <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Navelim Youth Centre lift G.O.A. Trophy Congratulations to, ostensibly the best footballing Village in Goa, on this fine achievement. We await Bahrain Navelkars to follow suit. cheers. Gabe Menezes. London England.
Re: [Goanet]Constructive bashing
On 17/05/05, Kevin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would be remiss if I didn't point out my disgust at whoever posted the > "tuti frutti" joke. You definitely offended some members of this list > with it. This list is as good at it's lowest common denominator... > let's try to raise that standard. > > Kevin Saldanha > Mississauga, Canada RESPONSE: Sorry I touched a raw nerve, the only ones who might have taken offence would IMHO have been gays. You know full well who posted the joke - have the courage to come out and speak your mind my 'man' as well as point the finger instead of - whoever posted it - quite preposterous. The joke emanated from cold, chilly Toronto the city of gay culture. Forget 'Frisco! cheers. Gabe Menezes. London England.
[Goanet]Gabe menezes on Market Forces
Gabe Menezes made this comment: I too agree with this disagreeable policy of the USA and Britain, trying to impose market forces on people barely able to feed themselves, a bloody shame! -- Gabe, FYI, market forces cannot be imposed on anyone by anyone. By definition they are dynamic and can't be controlled. They are subject to variables such as supply and demand. Peter D'Souza
Re: [Goanet]Constructive bashing
Kevin. A good posting. I would like to add that the best thing to do is to ignore the posting when it gets personal or dirty. Let's show respect to each other, maturity and decency. The silent people on the net are smart enough to make a judgment on every posting they choose to read. Regarding the tuti frutty joke, I think I missed reading it. Best Regards, Carlos
[Goanet]Navelim Youth Centre lift G.O.A. Trophy (Kuwait)
Navelim Youth Centre lift G.O.A. Trophy Navelim Youth Centre lifted the Goan Overseas Association (GOA) Rolling Trophy for the second time edging out Bombay Boys by an odd goal in two in a pulsating final watched by a large crowd. The final match of the XII edition of this prestigious tournament, sponsored by Bassem International Trading Co. was played on 29 April 2005 under the auspices of the Kuwait India Football Federation (KIFF) at Soor Grounds, Kuwait. Navelim Youth Centre (NYC) sponsored by City International Exchange Co. took the lead in the 26th minute of the first half through Cruzedio Rodrigues, who always an opportunist, slotted home from an acute angle. This was a wake up call for Bombay Boys and only the upright denied them twice the chance to level scores. Americo Fernandes scored Navelims second, sidestepping Bombay Boys keeper immediately after the change of ends. Fifteen minutes later, Bombay Boys earned and converted a penalty kick. Buoyed by this, Bombay Boys went all out in search of the equalizer. It was then Navelims turn to desperately defend their lead and they did manage to see out the clock to lift the coveted trophy. Britto Pereira was excellent in goal for Navelim. This is the third time Bombay Boys featured in the finals of this tournament but are yet to inscribe their name on the trophy. The match was officiated by Julio Cardoso who booked three Navelim players and one from Bombay Boys to keep his authority on the game. He was assisted by Andrew, Jerry and Pillai. Charles DSa, General Manager - Bassem International Trading Co. and tournament sponsor congratulated the organizers and presented the GOA Rolling Trophy to Navelim captain Gasper Crasto and Individual Trophies to the winners. Assumption DSa, team manager of GOA Maroons presented the winners trophy. Lawry Pinto, Team Manager of Rising Stars, presented the runners up trophy. Ms. Melissa Fernandes, captain of the Goa State Basketball team and a long distance running medalist, presented the runners-up with individual trophies. Man of the Match, Duarte Ferrao of Navelim Youth Centre received his trophy at the hands of Tony Correia, Vice President of Goan Overseas Association and ex-president of Kuwait Indian Football Federation. Tony Dias, President of KIFF, presented the match officials with special trophies. (News and photo as published in Arab Times dated May 15, 2005) Additional link items as archived by http://www.goa-world.com Navelim Youth Centre (NYC) wins GOA's 25th Silver Jubilee Year Rolling Trophy in Kuwait Congratulations to all Navelim Youth Centre (NYC) President Agnello Fernandes, Committee Members, Members, Team Players, Coach, and in a special way Team Captain Gasper Crasto and Goalkeeper Britto Pereira, on winning the 25th (Silver Jubilee) Goan Overseas Association (GOA) Trophy. Navelim Youth Centre (NYC) team is sponsored by City International Exchange Company, Kuwait. Interestingly, I recollect that Navelim Youth Centre (NYC) has earlier won the 25th (Silver Jubilee) Trophy of United Goans Centre and the 25th (Silver Jubilee) Trophy of the Youth Recreation Centre (Rising Stars) Trophy. Keep up the winning ladder and the Silver Jubilee collections of Trophies ! Also keep the discipline graph on the Soor Grounds growing - a rare achievement of Navelim Youth Centre (NYC) team in the last decades !!! With best wishes and sports salutations. Gasper Almeida, Associate, & http://www.goa-world.com Team members in Kuwait. 29/4/2005 Time: 11:11 a.m. ___ Gasper Crasto appointed Kuwait Representative for Indian Football Supporters Club-International Dear Friends ! I am pleased to inform you that Gasper Crasto, Gen. Secretary - Navelim Youth Centre (NYC), Kuwait has been appointed as a representive of Indian Football Supporters Club-International in Kuwait by Arunava Chaudhuri, the IFSC-International's Chief Supervisor and Editor-in-Chief of IndianFootball.com http://www.indianfootball.com/ About Gasper Crasto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gaspers World http://gaspersworld.tripod.com/ sports Life page - http://gaspercrasto.tripod.com/id8.html http://www.goa-world.com/goa/sports/ Rene Barreto Indian Football Supporters Club International Navelim Youth Centre (NYC) won the Goan Overseas Association's 25th Silver Jubilee Year Rolling Trophy in Kuwait today. The team was captained by former Salgaocar SC player Gasper Crasto. (Indianfootball.com) The http://www.goa-world.com team and its associates join to wish Gasper Crasto on his nomination as a represenative of the IFSC. __ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail
[Goanet]Biodiversity hotspots
The delicate ecology of the western ghats (including Goa) can be verified online, this site being one by Conservation International to highlight the need to preserve our natural heritage before it is all logged, mined or developed. http://www.biodiversityhotspots.org/xp/Hotspots/ghats/ Kevin Saldanha Mississauga, Canada
[Goanet]Constructive bashing
I am amazed by the patience of some contributors to GoaNet and by the insolence of others. I have been trying to keep up with all the various threads and every now and then something jumps out that needs to be addressed but as Bosco mentioned in his Admin message, we members too have real lives away from the list. There will be opinions from every quarter that will be argued for and against but if we all keep in mind that apart from being a goan cybertinto for chatting, this list hopefully will generate ideas for the betterment of Goa and will not just be used to feed individual egos. Let us learn from rather than try to teach each other. A byline from a colleague struck a chord - "Quit asking people what they think. Begin watching what they do. Ignore their words; study their actions" which revealed an interesting site and article when I googled the phrase... http://www.wizardacademy.com/showmemo.asp Some threads (eg. the US led war in Iraq) have little to do with Goa but others (eg. Catholic religion) is a hot issue as after the Portuguese led domination and conversions, it has left deep rooted influences on Goan traditions, culture and society. But the fact that Konkani posts outnumber Portuguese ones (English being taken for granted as the dominant medium of communication) goes to show that the main intent of this list is our geographic commonality rather than religious or political affiliations. Having said that, there are certain norms of decency that should be observed when dealing with others in a public forum and that is the avoidance of personal insults to identifiable entities, whether they be individuals (clergy, devotees, professionals, etc.) or groups (eg. ethnic, religious or based on sexual orientation), the members of which often have no influence on their inclusion. I would be remiss if I didn't point out my disgust at whoever posted the "tuti frutti" joke. You definitely offended some members of this list with it. This list is as good at it's lowest common denominator... let's try to raise that standard. Kevin Saldanha Mississauga, Canada
[Goanet]In per capita list, Goa comes first, Delhi comes second
http://cities.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=129644 Financial health report, released by Walia, says Delhiitesâ per capita income (2003-04) is more than double that of the national average at Rs 51, 664 compared to Rs 20, 989. Express News Service New Delhi, May 16: DELHI gets prosperous. This is the loud and clear verdict from Delhiâs financial health report, released by Finance Minister Dr A.K. Walia today. The Estimates of State Domestic Product of Delhi said the Capitalâs per capita income is about two-and-half times the national average and is the second-highest in the country (after Goa). While Delhiitesâ per capita income is at Rs 51,664 for 2003-04, the national average is Rs 20,989 for 2003-04. The report said it grew by 8.9 pc from the previous yearâs (2002-03) Rs 47,441 as the per capita income. The Gross State Domestic Product grew by 12.1 pc, compared to 11.7 pc in national GDP. ââDelhiâs contribution is about 3.1 pc in national income, compared to its 1.4 pc share in total population of the country,ââ Dr Walia said. Comparing the Delhiâs GSDP at current prices, the highest growth of 25 pc was achieved in the communication sector during 2003-04, followed by 17 pc in the transport sector, 13 pc in trade, hotels and restaurants and 12 pc growth was achieved in each sector like manufacturing, construction and real estate and business services sector. The minister said the tertiary sector has an important role in the Capitalâs economy and its contribution, in real terms, is about 78 pc. The secondary sector is contributing 21 pc and remaining 1 pc is the contribution of primary sector. In the tertiary sector, banking and insurance, real estate and business services sector is contributing about 29 pc in Delhiâs economy followed by 21 pc by trade, hotels and restaurants, 15 pc by transport, storage and communication, 13 pc by community, social and personal services. In the secondary sector, the registered manufacturing sector is contributing about 5 pc and unregistered manufacturing sector contributes about 7 pc, while 8 pc contribution is from the construction sector in Delhiâs economy - Jai Hind! Carlos
[Goanet]SpiceJet launches flights for Rs 99
SpiceJet launches flights for Rs 99 http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1113247.cms IANS[ TUESDAY, MAY 17, 2005 06:24:12 PM ] NEW DELHI: India's growing budget air travel market spiced up on Tuesday with the launch of low cost carrier SpiceJet, which begins operating on domestic routes next week with a debut price of Rs 99. With a fleet of three Boeing 737-800 aircraft and an initial investment of $25 million, SpiceJet will operate its first flight on Monday on the Delhi-Ahmedabad-Mumbai route. On May 27, the airline will fly to Goa and on June 13, to Pune and Bangalore. "We see ourselves taking train traffic and putting it in air, creating a new market for seniors, students, leisure and train travellers," said SpiceJet CEO Mark Winders. Some 30 pilots are on board the new budget operator. "Right now we are only looking at the domestic market. We are offering one-and-a-half to two-hour flights as an alternative to train journeys of more than six hours." He said by January 2006, the airline would have 10 brand new aircraft. "We see ourselves with a fleet of 20-30 airplanes eventually." The company aims to issue convertible bonds in June to raise $90 million for its fleet expansion plans. Within hours of its online booking facilities opening at 0600 IST. Tuesday, the airline had registered 5,000 bookings. Winders said to celebrate the launch of the airline, SpiceJet would offer over 30,000 "Red Hot Special Fares" starting at Rs 99 for the first 99 days of its operation. These fares would also be available at Rs 499 and Rs 799. Over 9,000 seats would be available under the introductory offer and all flights would offer between five to 10 seats daily at low prices. The airline offers a single class in all its 189-seater planes, with complementary snacks and water. Initial destinations include Delhi, Ahmedabad, Mumbai, Goa, Bangalore and Pune. "It is not just the price, but what we offer at that price and our commitment to high quality service that will differentiate and position SpiceJet," Winders asserted. Company director Ajay Singh said SpiceJet, a reincarnate of ModiLuft, was 20 per cent owned by foreign institutional investors and other institutions such as Citibank, ABN Amro and Goldman Sachs. Royal Holdings Services Limited, a Nevada-based company, has a major stake in SpiceJet. -- Jai Hind! Carlos
[Goanet]Fly GOA-BOM OR GOA-DELHI for just Rs.99
SpiceJet launches flights for Rs 99 IANS[ TUESDAY, MAY 17, 2005 06:24:12 PM ] NEW DELHI: India's growing budget air travel market spiced up on Tuesday with the launch of low cost carrier SpiceJet, which begins operating on domestic routes next week with a debut price of Rs 99. With a fleet of three Boeing 737-800 aircraft and an initial investment of $25 million, SpiceJet will operate its first flight on Monday on the Delhi-Ahmedabad-Mumbai route. On May 27, the airline will fly to Goa and on June 13, to Pune and Bangalore. "We see ourselves taking train traffic and putting it in air, creating a new market for seniors, students, leisure and train travellers," said SpiceJet CEO Mark Winders. Some 30 pilots are on board the new budget operator. "Right now we are only looking at the domestic market. We are offering one-and-a-half to two-hour flights as an alternative to train journeys of more than six hours." He said by January 2006, the airline would have 10 brand new aircraft. "We see ourselves with a fleet of 20-30 airplanes eventually." The company aims to issue convertible bonds in June to raise $90 million for its fleet expansion plans. Within hours of its online booking facilities opening at 0600 IST. Tuesday, the airline had registered 5,000 bookings. Winders said to celebrate the launch of the airline, SpiceJet would offer over 30,000 "Red Hot Special Fares" starting at Rs 99 for the first 99 days of its operation. These fares would also be available at Rs 499 and Rs 799. Over 9,000 seats would be available under the introductory offer and all flights would offer between five to 10 seats daily at low prices. The airline offers a single class in all its 189-seater planes, with complementary snacks and water. Initial destinations include Delhi, Ahmedabad, Mumbai, Goa, Bangalore and Pune. "It is not just the price, but what we offer at that price and our commitment to high quality service that will differentiate and position SpiceJet," Winders asserted. Company director Ajay Singh said SpiceJet, a reincarnate of ModiLuft, was 20 per cent owned by foreign institutional investors and other institutions such as Citibank, ABN Amro and Goldman Sachs. Royal Holdings Services Limited, a Nevada-based company, has a major stake in SpiceJet. SOURCE: TOI find more on spicejet.com for NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ for SFX Expo & cheap Goa flights info.. http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/LetsGotoGoa/ ___ Yahoo! Messenger - want a free and easy way to contact your friends online? http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Brit Airline flies to Bombay.
http://in.rediff.com/money/2005/may/17bmi.htm bmi launches Mumbai-London service May 17, 2005 17:03 IST British air carrier bmi on Tuesday announced launch of its four-times-a-week Mumbai-London service to be converted into a daily service and said it was exploring the idea of introducing services to other Indian cities. "We have long campaigned to bring service to key long-haul route destinations in India which we believe have been underserved and short of direct capacity. The introduction of our facility will bring greater value and choice for Indian customers," bmi Chairman Sir Michael Bishop told reporters in Mumbai on Tuesday. Bishop said the four-times-a-week service would be converted into a daily service by October 28. Passengers can now fly to London's Heathrow airport in bmi's Airbus A330 aircraft on Tuesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays and Sundays. The fares on bmi flights are: Rs 96,045 for Business Class Rs 61,110 for Premium Economy Class. The airline offers two Economy Class fares: Rs 39,040 and Rs 29,560. Bishop said that with the introduction of bmi's service in the Indian market, there has been a fall in fares which has created tangible benefits for Indian passengers. bmi, which is largely a domestic and European carrier, will challenge British Airways and Virgin Atlantic in the long-haul Indian market, he said. The launch comes after the decision of India and the United Kingdom governments to open additional air routes between the two nations. Bishop said that a lot of revenue generated on the Indo-UK route was given away to foreign carriers as the route was served by third country carriers and stressed that Indian and British carriers should come forward to take benefit of the increased traffic between the two countries. "Allowing greater direct capacity between India and the UK will benefit both the countries' carriers. Previously more than 53 per cent of the market between the two countries has been forced to travel via connecting airports in the Middle East to the disadvantage of home carriers," Bishop said. The bmi chief said the airline would also be starting a direct flight from Heathrow to Riyadh in Saudi Arabia by June this year. Senior official of the airline said that the carrier would offer 7 per cent commission to travel agents for ticket bookings. -- Cheers, Gabe Menezes. London, England
Re: [Goanet] WAR IN IRAQ
Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > To pick out the one exception that one has to be > native born to run for the presidency of the US as a > justification for calling foreign born Americans > second-class citizens is as irrelevent and pathetic > as it gets. Het Mario, Face the facts, ol' boy. You belong to the worst caste in your country. Some Americans can run for any office they please but you, thanks to your parents and place of birth, belong to the caste that is barred from contesting all offices. Imagine! The strange thing is that you WILLINGLY accepted this caste when you became a citizen. You had the choice of being a free man, but instead, you chose to accept what the good folks handed out to you. Pathetic! Lastly, my brother-in-law read your words above and started "rolling on the floor with laughter." He asked me to present you the following question one last time: > I am wondering if it's possible to refrain from > name calling here on this forum. Can we come to > a gentlemans sgreement on this? Mervyn D'thru Lobo __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
RE: [Goanet]Re: Fr. Ivo Da C. Souza
Hello Fr. Ivo, During the last few days I have been reading lot of interesting posts written by you and written on you by others. Though belatedly but rightly I must welcome you in this forum with open arms since person of your devine and intellectual calibre will give extra boost to this forum. Very few of your intellectual capacity are seen on cyber today. Your knowledge on many subjects especially on Biblical are like a source of fountain for less knowledgeable to enjoy. Some years back we both us had very good and fuirtful discussion on religious matters in "Dhor Moineachi Rotti" which I still feel one of the best magazines in Goa and those who read it regularly will justify my statement. Your responses to certain queries in this monthly Holy magazine were of very high calibre. The late Pe. Chico Monteiro from your neighbouring village Candolim used to speak very high of your wisdom and knowledge. My great pleasure was during some of the times we both of us used to meet and dsicuss many of the topics relevant to Goa, Goans, Konkani and society as a whole. God has blessed you with vast power of knowledge. Please share it with many of the readers of this forum. Reading you in D.M. Rotti I enjoyed the blessing and power of your knowledge and wisdom and thus gained a lot of knowledge. Let others like me too acquire something from you thru this forum. May God Bless you abundantly to share your knowledge and wisdom with those who are hungry and thirsty for the same. With Kindest Love, A. Veronica Fernandes, Kuwait. From: "Fr. Ivo Da C. Souza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: goanet@goanet.org To: goanet@goanet.org Subject: [Goanet]Re: Fr. Ivo Da C. Souza Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 22:25:17 -0400 Dear George, Thank you for your sincere appreciation. I am not the Rector of Rachol Seminary, but a Professor of Biblical Exegesis and of Sociology. I am also the Secretary of the Theological Commission of the Conference of the Catholic Bishops of India (CCBI). I do appreciate any discussion that leads us to know better the problems. I do not claim to be the last word in any field, not even in my own subject. But I shall try to deepen the issues in any field. I respect the opinions of those who do not agree with me. Yet, I would like to know the reasons that lead them to do so. A discussion at a higher level, without hurting the feelings of anyone, is always constructive. May this Forum unite all Goans scattered throughout the globe and help them to lead a fuller, happier life! Ivo da C.Souza George wrote: --*I would like to commend Fr. Ivo Da C. Souza for his thoughtful responses on this forum although I may not agree with him on certain issues. He has certainly added a different perspective. One goanetter wrote to me privately that he is Rector at Rachol Seminary. I do not know if this is true but I appreciate he offers his comments in an insightful way. _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
[Goanet]THE BIG FIGHT -- ASSEMBLY BYE ELECTIONS
With scrutiny of nominations complete it is clear that the candidates below will be the notable contenders in the fray, the others may withdraw by the 19th May 2005 the last date for withdrawal or lose steam in pursuing the high pitched big money electoral battle at the fag end of electioneering (ending 31st May 2005) 11 Taleigao Assembly Constituency 23 booths areas of Corporation of City of Panjim Ward Nos: I II III IV V VI VIII XII XIV i.e St Inez Camarbhatt Tonca Caranzalem Govt Quarters Portais Bhatulem etc electorate 13426 males and 13181 females total 26603 voters excl service and new voters INCAtnasio (Babush) Monserate (ex-UGDP, ex BJP ) BJPPradip Nagvekar in the last election (June 2002 ) the UGDP (Atnasio (Babush) Monserate ) won the seat in 14 Cumbarjua Assembly Constituency 31 booths areas of Chorao Capao Malar Navelim Goltim Zua Cumbarjua Gandaulim Bainguinim Ela Corlim Carambolim etc electorate 12870 males and 12891 females 25761 total voters excl service and new voters INC Pandurang Madkaikar(ex MGP ex BJP) BJP Krishna Kuttikar (ex INC) IND Nirmala Sawant (ex INC) MGP Vijaykumar Shet in the last election (June 2002 ) the MGP (Pandurang Madkaikar) won the seat in 28 Benaulim Assembly Constituency 23 booths areas Utorda Clata Majorda Betalbatim Nagwado Sernabattim Vanelim Colva Gandaulim Benaulim Mazilwado Vasvaddo Pulwado electorate 11285 males 11590 females total 22875 voters excl service and new voters NCP Francisco (Micky) Pacheco (ex UGDP ex UGDP (S) now also backed by INC alliance partner UGDP Francisco Monte Cruz (ex INC ) BJP Premanand Lotlikar in the last election (June 2002 ) the UGDP (Francisco (Mickey ) Pacheco won the seat in 30 Margao Assembly Constituency 25 booths areas Aquem Tlasanzor Tolleaband Aquem Alto Aquem Baixo Caloconda Sirvodem Sarvodem Colmorod Ratwado Dando Pedda Comba Murmutti Pajifond Malbhat electorate 12565 males 12079 females total 24644 voters excl service and new voters INC Digamber Kamat (ex BJP) BJP Sharmad Raiturkar in the last election (June 2002 ) the BJP (Digamber Kamat ) won the seat in 40 Poinguinim Assembly Constituency 21 booths areas Ardhophond Talpona Sadolxem Poinguinim Pratagal Polem Borus Shelli Loliem Cotigao Keri Ponsulemol Gaondongorim Shristhal electorate 7438 males 7176 females total 14614 voters INC Isidore Fernandes (ex IND ex BJP ) BJP Ramesh Tawadekar in the last re-election (Oct 2004) the BJP (Isidore Fernandes) won the seat As things stand it is clear that those 5 MLA's who have "sacrificed by resigning to bring down the Mr Manohar Parrikar (BJP + UGDP combine ) Government have been rewarded by the INC/NCP alliance with a ticket to contest. Resignation and re-election is the new criteria under the amended "Anti Defection" law in force. The 34 MLAs of the House placed under suspended animation excluding Mr Filipe Neri Rodrigues (Ind) whose case of disqualification is subjudice are as below: Thus after 5th June 2005 counting of votes there will be just 39 seats requiring a simple majority of 20 to form the Government. *** BJP (16) Mr Manohar Parrikar, Mr Manohar (Babu) Ajgaonkar, Dr Suresh Amonkar, Mr Francisco D Souza, Mr Ramrao Desai Mr Dayanand Mandrekar, Mr Vinay Tendolkar, Mr Vishwas Satarkar, Mr Narhari Haldankar, Mr Damodar Naik ,Mr Laximikant V Parsekar, Mr Sadanand Shet, Mr Rajendra Arlekar, Mr Rajesh T Patnekar, Mr Vasudeo M Gaonkar Mr V Pai Khot UGDP (1) Mr M Saldhana Total 16 + 1 =17 *** INC 15 Mr Pratapsing Rane, Mr Agnelo Fernandes, Mr Aleixo Sequeira, Mr Chandrakant Kavlekar, Mr Dayanad Narvekar, Mr Francisco Sardinha ,Mr Francisco Silveira, Mr Giovani Karl Vaz, Mr Harish Zantye, Mr Jeetendra Desprabhu, Mr Joaquim Braz Alemao, Mr Luizinho Faleiro, Mr Ravi Naik, Mr Subhash Shirodkar, Ms Victoria Fernandes NCP 1 Dr Wilfred De Souza MGP 1 Mr Ramkrishna Dhavlikar 15 + 1 + 1 = 17 *** As of date it is the INC + NCP combine which has a comfortable position given that there is also a possibility that the cases filed by the NCP against Rajendra Arlekar MLA Vasco da Gama also BJP State President and that of Dayanand Mandrekar MLA Siolim for holding an "office of profit" at the last election June 2002 will go against them reducing the figure of the BJP strenght to 14. Now that the BJP has filed their candidates in all the five constituencies including the Catholic dominated Benaulim Constituency the options before the voters are Does the voter wish to put back on the Treasury benches I a) Mr Manohar Parrikar led Govt who stands for stability, development of the State and thereby allow him to complete the unfinished development works in his agenda until the end of the term May 2007 OR b) an INC NCP government who have a PAST RECORD
Re: [Goanet]Bushy?
--- Cecil Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear Gabe, > I understand that you do not agree with the policies of George Bush Jr. but that does not give you the right to call the President of the most powerful country in the world "Bushy". I understand that you must have been upset when Mario chose to refer to Pope Benedict XVI as "Benny". > Please let us have some decorum here. I request Mario to kindly refer to the His Holiness the Pope with due respect for the leader of a major world religion. And as for Gabe, I am sure there are names for President George Bush Jr. that are more appropriate than "Bushy". > Mario replies: Cecil, I appreciate your opinion, but, with all due respect, when you say, "I understand that you MUST HAVE BEEN upset when Mario chose to refer to Pope Benedict XVI as "Benny"." aren't you putting words in Gabe's head that he has not expressed? Actually, I referred to him respectfully as Pope Benny XVI, not "Benny", which would have been disrespectful, in my opinion, of course. Can we lighten up here with the fussy and fastidious and free-speech-restricting indignation? Laura Bush calls her husband "Bushy", so I had no problem with Gabe calling him the same. He could have called him a lot worse, as the AWOL Tariq used to do. Re. Pope Benny XVI, as a staunch practicing Catholic and one of his big fans, I took a little affectionate American-style poetic license here, little realizing that some who find little to admire in the Catholic Church or faith, would take umbrage, and accuse me of violating decorum. >
[Goanet]BSNL: Calls charges to Gulf etc now reduced to Rs.12 from Rs.18 (upto 33% reduction eff 21st May)
International call rates slashed by 33% May 17, 2005 16:08 IST Initiating another round of tariff war in he telecom sector, state-owned Bharat Sanchar Nigam on Tuesday announced a major reduction in the international long distance call rates for Australia, New Zealand, Saudi Arabia, Africa, Gulf and SAARC countries to Rs 12 per minute from the existing Rs 18 a minute. The new tariffs will come into effect from midnight of May 20, BSNL chairman and managing director A K Sinha said during World Telecom Day celebrations in New Delhi. The reduced rates will be applicable from landline, cellular and WLL networks of BSNL, he said, adding the highest ISD tariff to any part of the world from BSNL network will be Rs 12 per minute. BSNL also announced a hefty discount of up to 25 per cent on domestic bandwidth, which may result in reduction in broadband tariff. The discount on domestic bandwidth would be applicable in 74 major cities, including all state capitals and Union Territories. Source: Rediff for NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ for SFX Expo & cheap Goa flights info.. http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/LetsGotoGoa/ ___ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com
[Goanet]In all fairness to people in the dark
George Pinto wrote: I did not see the movie "Bride and Prejudice" but I am told it is along the same lines as "Bend it like Beckam" where the Indian girl finds happiness in a romantic relationship outside her cultural group, specifically with a white English boy. Interestingly, the movie was directed by an Indian woman. I think a neo-colonial mentality (self-inflicted) was at work. To be happy she had to be with a white boy, an Indian was not good enough. In "Bride and Prejudice", an Indian woman falls in love with a white boy. We do not see the reverse as if Indian or Asian men are not good enough. This racism in the movies continues today. Bollywood has it own racist version where light-skinned actors & actresses are preferred to dark-skinned ones who usually play the villain roles. -- Dear George, I am surprised at the extremely prejudiced statements above from a person like you whose views I have come to admire. How can you focus on just one movie and from just that one movie draw such far fetched conclusions? There are hundreds of movies released every year where the Asian falls in love with the Asian. And villains are fair skinned. And heroines and heroes are dark. In fact if you look at the Hindu pantheon all the major deities are dark skinned "Ram, Vishnu, Kali, Durga, Amitabh, Shah Rukh, Mithun..." How can you ignore all that? And if a white loves/marries a black so what of it? We're not in the middle ages are we? In this constantly shrinking world, thanks to modern technology, we now communicate with and meet with people from all over the world who interest us. Skin colour no longer has the relevance it did before. Please read by doctoral thesis "Complexities of Complexion in Post-Colonial Societal Constructs". It is obvious an academic dissertation. I will try and explain below in layman's terms. If you want a even more basic explanation try reading 'Skin" by Margaret Mascarenhas or contact Herman Carneiro who is studying dermatology. There are basically two factors at work 1) Wanting the "other's" complexion 2) Wanting to exploit the person with the 'other' complexion. Let's analyse the first point. 1) Wanting the "other's" complexion The dark skinned Goan girl aspires to have a white skin because it represents the 'other'. Nothing to do with superiority or inferiority. Just the 'other'. So she uses fairness creams which leave her with a complexion mid-way between mauve and purple and with panda like dark circles around the eyes. The Caucasian female on the other hand spends her two weeks charter holiday in Goa trying to get tanned to a crisp (when she's not getting her teeth or spectacles seen to at one fifth of what it would cost in her own country). For her a dark skin represents the 'other' and that's what she aspires to be. That she's going to get skin cancer, her face is bright pink/red and not brown, and her untanned bikini straps look ridiculous in a backless dress does not seem to bother her. That's why a dark skinned culture celebrates fair skin (see the matrimonial adverts) and a fair skinned culture celebrates dark skin (ever heard tall 'fair' and handsome in the West?) This is of course mainly in the female gender. Men wouldn't care less about the colour of their skin. See how much more interesting the colour of beer is. Second point 2) Wanting to exploit the person with the 'other' complexion. The best example is our regular young (dark) Goan beachbelt stud dating a (fair) European woman old enough to be his eldest aunt. He is exploiting her money and hoping for a chance to make a life abroad using her as his ticket. That failing he will start work on obtaining a Portuguese Passport. She on the other hand is exploiting his young body and his modified bike (normally an Enfield). But exploitation in both these cases does not have a negative connotation. It is akin to use-and-be-used. In this case the other's skin colour is being used as a metaphor for an aspiration which is suggested by that colour. Or whatever! I find it difficult to speak layman's language. And I quite forgot what was the point I was trying to make and have to get back to work. Jai Hind! Cheers! Cecil =
Re: [Goanet]Brits blamed for farmers' suicides in India
--- Gabe Menezes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I too agree with this disagreeable policy of the USA and Britain, trying to impose market forces on people barely able to feed themselves, a bloody shame! Mario replies: Gabe, your own post says, "The report claimed western nations were backing free trade policies devised by the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and the World Bank, aiming at an end to barriers, tariffs and subsidies." I didn't see any specific mention of the US. Nice try, though, at using this as an opportunity to add the US to the list of entities to blame for the policy. The problem was not with the imposition of market forces, without which Indian farmers would continue to be mired in the 19th century. The problem was with the faulty implementation of the changes from a system which made the farmers inefficient and dependent on government, to the free market. This is not an easy change to make across a huge economy, and the farmers should have been eased into it over at least a decade with the use of self-governing co-operatives and graduated financial subsidies.
Re: [Goanet] WAR IN IRAQ
--- Mervyn Lobo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey Mario, > Perhaps you did not see the following, it's from the > very same email that you wrote the above. Just > asking > :-) > > > Only gullible anti-American, anti-liberation, > > anti-democracy, pro-Saddam propagandists like you Mario replies: What names do you suggest I use for blatantly anti-American, anti-liberation, anti-democracy, pro-Saddam propagandists? > Mervyn writes: > Again, according to my brother-in-law, new immigrants in the US do not have the same rights as other citizens. For example, you Mario, cannot run to become the President of the USA. To us here in Canada, that sounds like a second class citizenship i.e. some are "more" and others are "less' American. Mario replies: Your obviously anti-American brother-in-law has no idea what he is talking about, with all due respect. This is typical of some Canadians who suffer from a self-esteem problem relative to their dominant neighbor to the south. To pick out the one exception that one has to be native born to run for the presidency of the US as a justification for calling foreign born Americans second-class citizens is as irrelevent and pathetic as it gets. Based on this criterion everyone in the US who is younger than 35 years of age is also a second-class citizen. At the same time this brother-in-law seemingly ignores a far more relevent fact, which is that the top ethnic groups in the American spectrum ranked by family income are recent immigrant groups, including Indians who have been No.1 since the 1980 census. How do second-class citizens get to these levels?
[Goanet]My 1970s Memories (check some photos)
Photos like Gurgureth, Chimney Lamp, Buanv, Ail or Dhonn, Kumbllo etc are just added. check the link below... Others items like Petromax, Iron (Coal), Sheugo, kopro etc will be added soon. http://in.photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/goan-nri/lst?.dir=/My+1970s+Memories&.src=gr&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//briefcase.yahoo.com/ for NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ for SFX Expo & cheap Goa flights info.. http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/LetsGotoGoa/ ___ Yahoo! Messenger - want a free and easy way to contact your friends online? http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet]Goa, Cominterm and old records
Fred, How interesting. I am sure there must be some references to the anti-colonialists in Africa and elsewhere. I hope that it won't be too long for them to become accessible. Regards, Cornel - Original Message - From: "Frederick Noronha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 2:56 PM Subject: [Goanet]Goa, Cominterm and old records Somewhere in cyberspace I came across this link to the electronic records of the Comintern http://www.comintern-online.com/ A number of Goans involved in political campaigns of the past (T B Cunha in Goa and Mumbai, Pio Gama Pinto in Kenya, Aquino Braganza who was an aide to Samora Machel in Mozambique, the respected writer and theorist D D Kossambi etc) were involved with the Left in their campaigns against European colonial rule. Even the end of Portuguese rule in 1961 was also tied up to the Cold War, and had this not been around, the history of Goa might have been different. (We could speculate and shift to a what-if situation here.) Strangely, an attempt to search the Comintern electronic records threw up no links to Goa. Or was one searching wrongly? Maybe some scholars from the world of history could give us an insight into other interesting links to Goa available in cyberspace. (In the Comintern site, one needs to register before searching. You could call it a triumph of capitalism, but one has to pay a hefty fee to access some of the records too! Probably there's a case for such records belonging to the commons, not a private party!) FN Frederick Noronha 784 Near Convent, Sonarbhat SALIGAO GOA India Freelance Journalist TEL: +91-832-2409490 MOBILE: 9822122436 http://fn.swiki.net http://www.livejournal.com/users/goalinks fred at bytesforall.org http://www.bytesforall.org
[Goanet]Emerging... as a digital photgrapher
Just as I finished catching-up with my old college-mate the Ponda-based businessman turned social worker Mario Coelho in-front of the Panjim muncipality, Dadu Mandrekar lay in wait for me. "What are you doing *now*?" he wanted to know, and insisted I go along with him to the Kala Academy... for something of a surprise. Dadu has been a friend for a decade-and-half or more. In the Goan-styled apartheid system -- where one doesn't often get a chance to interact across religious, caste, linguistic or taluka lines unless you have to -- knowing Dadu gives one quite another insight into how 'the other Goa' (or is it the main Goa?) works. As an aside, the breaking down of the good old world is, fortunately, diminishing this ghettoisation too. One got to know Dadu through friends from out-of-state like Camil Parkhe, who came to Goa from Ahmednagar to become a Jesuit priest but ended up a journalist in the Navhind Times. (In our college days, we all admired Camil and others like John Aguiar... they could write *and* get published!) Some may know Dadu as the Dalit activist (of course, casteism isn't just about the Dalit problem, it has many other dimensions, but this is clearly one extreme end of the problem). Dalits are found in rather small numbers in Goa, compared to say the large aboriginal population (Kunbi, Velip, Gauda and Dhangars that have cut across religious lines and struggled for decades to get even a Scheduled Tribe status). But the Dalits are ghettoised in their enclaves often located almost at the end of the village or town. Dadu won the Goa Sudharop award in the recent past. With friends like Debashish Munshi was very helpful in opening our eyes to the rural reality of Pernem and issues like poverty in rural Goa, quite some time back. To cut a long story short, I was surprised to see Dadu's stall at the Kala Academy. It was packed with very interesting A3-sized digital prints, mostly scenic shots of rural Goa. Dadu had morphed into a digital photographer! Nice to see that technology can be utilised by all, regardless of the caste and class handicaps they may be born into. Being one of those who actively egged on Dadu to leave his government job -- talented people like him have much more to offer the planet -- one is really glad to see his work. He's planning a one-man exhibition of his photos from May 23 at the Institute Menezes Braganza, and the show opens at 4 pm. Do make it if you're around. It would be nice if the work of people like Dadu could also be show-cased in cyberspace. Just before leaving him, I mentioned looking forward to his work on the marginalised in Goa! --FN PS: Being dragged to the Kala Academy was nice for another reason -- there was an exhibition of (mainly Marathi) books on Goa inter alia, at an event organised by the government of Maharashtra. This is one section that my GoaBooks website is surely lacking! Frederick Noronha 784 Near Convent, Sonarbhat SALIGAO GOA India Freelance Journalist TEL: +91-832-2409490 MOBILE: 9822122436 http://fn.swiki.net http://www.livejournal.com/users/goalinks fred at bytesforall.org http://www.bytesforall.org
Re: [Goanet] How did science begin?
--- Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >So, what is it? A hypothesis that "can be supported >by objective evidence" or merely a "plausible" working >hypothesis that awaits objective physical evidence >to be more than just plausible? > Simple! Theories regarding the origin of the universe CAN be supported by objective evidence. For example, the original hot Big Bang theory IS supported by the 2.762 degrees Kelvin cosmic microwave background radiation, for which Penzias and Wilson received the 1978 Physics Nobel Prize. What I referred to as the "plausible working hypothesis" is a further elucidation of the physical nature of the Big Bang - the Hawking-Ellis-Penrose space-time singularity. As yet, there is no objective evidence to support this scientific hypothesis. But that does not mean that it CANNOT be supported by such evidence. From the long history of successes in Science, it is reasonable to think that this hypothesis or one of its alternatives CAN be supported by objective evidence. Cheers, Santosh
[Goanet]Goa, Cominterm and old records
Somewhere in cyberspace I came across this link to the electronic records of the Comintern http://www.comintern-online.com/ A number of Goans involved in political campaigns of the past (T B Cunha in Goa and Mumbai, Pio Gama Pinto in Kenya, Aquino Braganza who was an aide to Samora Machel in Mozambique, the respected writer and theorist D D Kossambi etc) were involved with the Left in their campaigns against European colonial rule. Even the end of Portuguese rule in 1961 was also tied up to the Cold War, and had this not been around, the history of Goa might have been different. (We could speculate and shift to a what-if situation here.) Strangely, an attempt to search the Comintern electronic records threw up no links to Goa. Or was one searching wrongly? Maybe some scholars from the world of history could give us an insight into other interesting links to Goa available in cyberspace. (In the Comintern site, one needs to register before searching. You could call it a triumph of capitalism, but one has to pay a hefty fee to access some of the records too! Probably there's a case for such records belonging to the commons, not a private party!) FN Frederick Noronha 784 Near Convent, Sonarbhat SALIGAO GOA India Freelance Journalist TEL: +91-832-2409490 MOBILE: 9822122436 http://fn.swiki.net http://www.livejournal.com/users/goalinks fred at bytesforall.org http://www.bytesforall.org
[Goanet]Club 9 - Goan Food Festival
Club.9-Goan Food Festival. The second annual Goan Food Festival organized by Club.9 will be held on Friday, June 10, 2005 at the Indian English Academy School(Don Bosco) Salmiyah from 1130 am onwards The festival will be fun filled day of variety entertainment programs, games of skill, DJ music, dedication of songs for the trendy and groovy. A special highlight will be a fancy dress competition for children in the age group of 3-7 years and 8-12 years based on Goan culture, tradition, heritage, ethnicity and anything else that reflects Goan life.(no religious, political displays) A musical competition with unplugged instruments like guitar, violin, flute, bongos will delight any young and talented musicians. Satiate your taste bud with Goan culinary delights like vindaloo, chicken cafreal, roast, xacuti, fish-curry-rice, recheado mackerels, various pickles and the typical Goan sweets. For more information on the festival contact, Albano 9029024, Dr.Jagganath 6613512. Parents who wish to register their children for the fancy dress competition are requested to contact Ms. Carmen - 2982073 (between 3.00pm-4.00pm only). http://www.goa-world.com/goa/poems http://www.mail-archive.com/cgi-bin/htsearch?config=gulf-goans_yahoogroups_com&restrict=&exclude=&words=Lino+B.+Dourado __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet]Bushy?
On 17/05/05, Cecil Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Gabe Menezes wrote to Mario Goveia: > "In another posting you have stated that you do not support George Bush > totally - at the same time there is not a single posting on Goanet > which has come out against Bushy, which you have not come up to > defend." > > - > > Dear Gabe, > > I understand that you do not agree with the policies of George Bush Jr. but > that does not give you the right to call the President of the most powerful > country in the world "Bushy". I understand that you must have been upset > when Mario chose to refer to Pope Benedict XVI as "Benny". > > Please let us have some decorum here. I request Mario to kindly refer to > the His Holiness the Pope with due respect for the leader of a major world > religion. And as for Gabe, I am sure there are names for President George > Bush Jr. that are more appropriate than "Bushy". > > Thank you. RESPONSE: I made a mistake in the spelling it should have been Bushie:- ABC News: What Do You Know About George W. Bush? ... Bush's nickname is Bushie the same nickname he has given his wife. ... Bush's middle name comes from his dad George Herbert Walker Bush. ... abcnews.go.com/Politics/ Inauguration/wireStory?id=418660 - 24k - At least I kept it as it is...unlike Mario who is most irreverant, then tells us to lighten up. I distinctly remember an earlier posting when someone did not show due respect to his President - he chided the poster and request that due respect be proferred. What is sauce for the goose is clearly not sauce for the gander; this is according to Mario and also his President and Government as we have seen and shall continue to see. Cheers. Gabe Menezes. London England.
[Goanet]CPI(M) Goa State Committee calls for defeat of communal forces
- Documented by Goa Desc Resource Centre Ph:2252660 Website: www.goadesc.org Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Press Clippings on the web: http://www.goadesc.org/mem/ --- -- CPI(M) CALL TO DEFEAT COMMUNALISM --- The Communist Party of India ( Marxist ), Goa State Committee, has called upon the electorate in the 5 Assembly Constituencies going to the polls on 2-6-2005, to exercise their franchise to resoundingly defeat the communal forces. The CPI(M) has however cautioned that the bye-elections to the 5 seats, will not give any political stability, since the local Congress and BJP leaders are still bent upon manipulative politics within the House, to the complete detriment of people's welfare. The choice of candidates by these parties portends a further round of political horse-trading in the near future. The CPI(M) has called upon the people of Goa to actively support the Left parties' programme of struggles for alternate pro-people policies as the lever to force the Congress-NCP alliance to come out with a Common Minimum Programme for Goa on the basis of secularism and democracy. The politics of defections and manipulations cannot be prevented unless the passive nature of Goa's political landscape is changed. The CPI(M) specially calls upon all left-oriented intellectuals and activists in Goa to discharge their historic responsibility of giving leadership to the people of Goa in their struggle for a better future. SOURCE:16/05/05 Press Statement issued by Suresh S. Naik , Secretary Goa State Committee The Communist Party of India ( Marxist ) Email: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> === GOA DESC RESOURCE CENTRE Documentation + Education + Solidarity 11 Liberty Apts., Feira Alta, Mapusa, Goa 403 507 Tel: 2252660 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.goadesc.org -- Working On Issues Of Development & Democracy ===
[Goanet]Bushy?
Gabe Menezes wrote to Mario Goveia: "In another posting you have stated that you do not support George Bush totally - at the same time there is not a single posting on Goanet which has come out against Bushy, which you have not come up to defend." - Dear Gabe, I understand that you do not agree with the policies of George Bush Jr. but that does not give you the right to call the President of the most powerful country in the world "Bushy". I understand that you must have been upset when Mario chose to refer to Pope Benedict XVI as "Benny". Please let us have some decorum here. I request Mario to kindly refer to the His Holiness the Pope with due respect for the leader of a major world religion. And as for Gabe, I am sure there are names for President George Bush Jr. that are more appropriate than "Bushy". Thank you. Phwet! Interval over! Cecil - He that uses many words for explaining any subject, doth, like the cuttlefish, hide himself for the most part in his own ink. -John Ray, naturalist (1627-1705) =
[Goanet]Ha ha hee hee
Half Goan Laila Rouass stars in this. Formerly she was with the T.V. series footballer's wives...please see Goan Voice U.K.for pics and more..Boy can she snog! http://www.goanvoice.org.uk/supplement/LailaRouass.htm http://www.bbc.co.uk/drama/hahaheehee/ Tuesdays 9pm, BBC ONE. Sunita, Chila and Tania thought they'd be friends for ever. But when men, babies and ambitions all start to interfere, the cracks begin to show. Meera Syal, Laila Rouass and Ayesha Dharker star in a three-part adaptation of Life Isn't All Ha Ha Hee Hee, Meera Syal's best selling novel. -- Cheers, Gabe Menezes. London, England
[Goanet]FRIDAY BALCAO:Impact of Multi Level Marketing and NBFC's scams on investors in Goa.
-- Welcome to the FRIDAY BALCAO Read the Balcao Synopsis on the website http://www.goadesc.org/balcao/ -- Dear Cybergaokars on GoaNet, We continue with FRIDAY BALCAO on 27th May from 4pm. to 6pm. at Goa Desc Resource Centre No. 11, Liberty Apartments, Feira Alta, Mapusa Goa Ph. 2252660 TOPIC: Impact of Multi Level Marketing and NBFC's scams on investors in Goa. SPEAKER: Open Discussion We invite you to express your viewpoint by attending the Friday Balcao event but if you cannot attend, then please send your views and action plan suggestions by post to FRIDAY BALCAO Post Box 78, Mapusa 403 507 or by email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] best wishes, Roland Martins - Don't miss out on the discussion. Get the BALCAO Synopsis monthly for Rs.100/- Information is power, Share it equitably. Lets make things happen in Goa !! -- The FRIDAY BALCAO BOOKLET is available for RS.70/- only Buy your personal copy and gift one to your relatives, neighbours and friends. The information handbook that is a must in every Goan home. -- === GOA DESC RESOURCE CENTRE Documentation + Education + Solidarity 11 Liberty Apts., Feira Alta, Mapusa, Goa 403 507 Tel: 2252660 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.goadesc.org -- Working On Issues Of Development & Democracy ===
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Dear Sir, We need your kind help to contact the de Valadares family as we are researching our common family history in Calcutta/Bombay pre 1825 & post 1850s. In particular the family of Mr. MJ de Valadares, a violinist and multi linguist believed to have originated from Goa. It is also known that you have a Father Valadares who has been mentioned several times in your bulletins. Perhaps he may be able to help? Pleases pass this on. Looking forward to your kind reply. If you are unable to help, would you be so king as to put us in contact with your local authority who may be able to assist us. Many thanks André Saubolle (London England) CC Sue Broomer nee de Valadares
[Goanet]Shipping books to Goa
(one response on AldonaNet) Hi Cecil My immediate reaction was that I felt that it would be a wasted effort to hand over such books to the Aldona Institute if for the only reason that very few people will make use of these books. But then my positive side took over and I agree with you it is an idea worth trying. Sometimes we prejudge people and results which is unfair. As a friend of mine would say " Let the attempt be a failure , but there should not be a failure to attempt". It is our duty to encourage the current generation be read. I offer my services for the attempt to bring such books to Goa & Aldona. Just voicing my thoughts : we would have to get in touch with one such public library and get a list of the books . We could then request one of the MNC's in Goa who import products from abroad to lend us some space in their containers in which they ship these goods. I will talk with some knowledgeable person regarding the import/customs formalities. Request Aldona Netters abroad to get in touch with Public libraries there and begin the process. Instead of importing hazardous waste, let us import one of the sources of wisdom. Regards Savio - Note from Cecil: Savio Figueiredo is the moderator of AldonaNet. He is also the immediate Past President of the Aldona Institute and actively involved in social benefit activities in Aldona. Savio is a man of his word. If he is willing to putting in his efforts and contacts into this project then I am sure it will be a success. Can some cyber Goan based in USA/UK find out the other side of the matter? Let's just make a small effort to shift some (maybe a few hundred) 'discarded' books across. If it works then we will know the procedures and the problems. If we can get past the problems then we can expand the project to get much more books - and specific to requirements here . ==
Re: [Goanet]Brits blamed for farmers' suicides in India
On 17/05/05, Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Britain blamed for farmers' suicides in India > Sify News, Monday, 16 May , 2005, 16:18 > > London: Trade reforms backed and funded by the British > government caused an agricultural crisis in India, > leading to a large number of suicides among > impoverished farmers, particularly in Andhra Pradesh, > a leading charity in London has said. > > More than 4,000 farmers had killed themselves in > Andhra Pradesh since a programme of free-market > measures was implemented by a "hardline liberalising > regime" (Chandrababu Naidu regime) with the help of > 1.65 million pounds (approx Rs 84 crore) grant from > Britain's Department for International Development > (DfiD), a study for the Christian Aid claimed. Further input:- Not only Britain! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4548927.stm ... 'Not free, not fair' The report claimed western nations were backing free trade policies devised by the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and the World Bank, aiming at an end to barriers, tariffs and subsidies. In Andhra Pradesh from 1999-2004, many farmers killed themselves because policies followed by the former state government resulted in increased debts. Comment: I too agree with this disagreeable policy of the USA and Britain, trying to impose market forces on people barely able to feed themselves, a bloody shame! Cheers, Gabe Menezes. London England.
[Goanet]national Geographic article on the Western Ghats
As a suscriber of many decades to the National Geographic Magazine, I can vouch for the fact that an article about the Western Ghats appeared in the magazine in 1999. However, I do not recall any mention of Goa at all. To my recollection in was an excellent article about the bio-diversity of the Western Ghats and there were some mention of some flora and fauna that were unique to this area. If you need it, I can ask National Geographic to get me a copy of that article, if it is not available on their site.
[Goanet]Travelling on Miranda Bus
Hello Netters Being on a short holiday, decided to Go to Mumbai and booked a ticket By Kadamba bus, the journey was excellent, and there was one stuff member there to help whenever needed. But sad to say, the return journey was booked by our own Aldona bus Miranda GA-01 Z 6978. The seat that I got had one window missing, and hence the whole journey had excess breeze to make my journey uncomfortable. Besides that, the whole journey we had lights on to make sleeping uncomfortable, and there was no one to listen to my complaints as being on the window seat, I did not like to disturb my neighbor. Also the curtains were smelly, wonder when they were washed. I wonder how these bus got the permit to ply on this long journey. Miranda being a long time player in this trade, am surprised that he let such a bus ply on this route without checking these faults. Passengers pay big fare to travel comfortably, and not in such conditions. Jerry Fernandes
[Goanet]Ek Kovita: Nim'nnem Git
Nimnnem Git Modhur talleantlean mhoji thoknnai kortana Gitantlo ek-ek ucharlolo sobd kallzak toptalo Mattvan talliancho avaz goddgoddtana Mhojea dolleantlean dukhamcho pavs golltalo Ti ek kolavont, kola tichea angan khelltali Songit sonvsarant famad gavpin zaunk axetali Jedna tigeli itsa mhoje nodre mukhar haddli Eka potrakar natean tichi kola uklun dovorli Je-je svater songit proiog zalele kodden Tigelem khas amontron astalem mhaka Sukhi jivitacho marg chollunk mhoje vatten Noxiban, mogacho sorg jikonk nirmunk na tika Machier, nimnne git dukhin gaitana Mollbavelim nokretam legun udas zalelim Hajir aslelea borea magpeank adeus kortana Prekxokamchea dukhani zomin bizleli Potr-masikar chhapun ailelem ek-ek tigelem chitr Sompun geleli dor ek ghoddiechi iad korteli Hanv tichi maea kortalom zaun ek visvaxi mitr Kazarachi axea tigelea kallzatuch sompoili Lino B. Dourado (Utodddekar) http://www.goa-world.com/goa/poems http://www.mail-archive.com/cgi-bin/htsearch?config=gulf-goans_yahoogroups_com&restrict=&exclude=&words=Lino+B.+Dourado Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html
