[Goanet]Any one bachelor/spinster here ??
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[Goanet]branco
When I read somewhere that Micky Pacheco wears rings on his fingers and thick gold chains, I was reminded of Franciso Branco. When I first met him on his victory as Panaji mayor, I was stunned by the jewelry he was wearing. If I remember correctly, he was short and portly. With that physical stature and the jewellery he looked like a mobster. I forget what profession he held before becoming the mayor. I saw pics of Pacheco during the rally in the Goan Observer. Can't believe that elections in Goa are much bigger than the famed carnival. Seems like all this is sizzle but no substance. Nowadays it matters little who wins and who loses. All are painted with the same brush of being corrupt and arrogant. The GO story on Monte Cruz is illustrative of how deep corruption is in Goa. No politician is above board. The people have become complacent. Probably so because there's no alternative. Even a promising party such as UGP has to fall back on Monte Cruz is surprising. If Benaulim projects such a poor picture, Taleigao is not far behind. Or perhaps worse. Floriano Lobo's jumping into the fray maybe akin to committing political harakiri. Good intentions apart, it seems to be from this distance and from reading newspaper reports that Lobo is a non-starter. If he can be a giant-killer, than Lobo would be a political miracle. And miracles is what we need in dear old Goa. Come June 2, we will know. Eugene Correia __ Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/
[Goanet]Gaunkaries/Communidades
--__--__-- From: Nasci Caldeira [EMAIL PROTECTED] Let individual property be private and let all 'commune' property be public either state or village public. Of course it will not be 'shared' but for public use and with a public purpose; and if so decided then it can be sold or whatever according to common wishes and not only of the Gaonkars. after all, all Gaonkars are not really resident anymore, the style/ system of living is no more! So the old 'Commune property' should be rightly declared like 'Evacuee' property, and become public. This is my humble opinion and modern thought input to this issue. We have to give up our old ways and modernise. These days, there are no Clans / Communes anymore; even families are disappearing under the impact of development and modern thinking. The Hindu unduvided family, has also disappeared by and large; I think its prevalent only for tax purposes; the tax office should outlaw this; certainly appears like a loophole for tax fraud.. Response: If family members are not staying in their ancestal house can the neighbours use this house for public purpose or sell it or share it amount themselves and give some part of the money to the decendents of the people who stayed in it? Or if some Ltd. company is not functioning well can some other persons sell its asserts or use it for their own purpose and tell the patners we have equal rights because the company in not funcationing properly? It is only the family members/patners will decide the future of their property. So why then communidades future be decided according to common wishes and not only of the Gaonkars.? all Gaonkars are not really resident anymore, but many of them are. Some people still use these land during their bad financial days. And many consider this as a assurance/security if any crises happen to occur. Disclaimer The message contained in this e-mail is meant for the use of the intended recipient only. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately. Any unauthorized disclosure, copying, distribution of or taking any action in reliance on the contents of the information contained herein is strictly prohibited.
[Goanet]Goanet News Bytes * June 1, 2005 * Big navy military project launched
[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] G o a n e t - N e w s B y t e s JUNE 1 , 2005 DATELINE: GOA / d8 Founded in 1994 e88~88e e88~-_/~~~8e 888-~88e e88~~8e _d88__ by Herman 888 888 d888 i 88b 888 888 d888 88b 888 Carneiro 88_88 | e88~-888 888 888 __888 888 --- / Y888 ' C888 888 888 888 Y888, 888 http://www.goanet.org Cb 88_-~ 88_-888 888 888 88___/ 88_/ We're on your side Y88D http://www.goanet.org * http://www.goanet.org * http://www.goanet.org [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] IN TODAY'S EZINE: Major naval military project gets launched in Karwar, outside Goa... Girls continue to outshine boys in the SSC exams... Ambelim takes on an interesting reading initiative... Parrikar put to embarassment over forgery case... Adverts take to a war of words, on the eve of a crucial bye-elections... Great pork vindaloo recipe specially from Daisy, exclusively for Goanet. FORMER CM Manohar Parrikar was put to a major embarrassment, as his charge against Governor S C Jamir and Deputy Inspector General of Police Ujjwal Mishra for violating the code of conduct in the Filipe Neri Rodrigues signature forgery case was proven wrong. Chief Electoral Officer Raajiv Yadhuvanshi made it clear that the governor has not violated any code of conduct. (H) Official statements emerging recently have suggested that the claim that Filipe Neri Rodrigues had joined the BJP (an issue which lead to his disqualification) was based on forged documents. o India commissions its Seabird (Kadamba) naval project in Karwar, just outside Goa. This is one of the biggest naval bases in Asia. (H) -- Does India really need such a heavy military expenditure, or should its resources go into giving a better live to those who need it so desperately? o Girls outshine boys at Goa SSC Exam. Some 15,708 candidates appeared for the March-April 2005 exams. 9,268 passed, showing a pass percentage of 59 percent.Boys had a pass percentage of 51.3% while girls had a 56.3% pass percentage. (NT) o Campaigning for by-elections ends in Goa. Polls on June 2. (NT) o Vehicle damaged in BJP-Congress clash at Tonca. (NT) o Congress demands Parrikar's resignation over signature forgery allegedly committed by his partymen on the admission form of of former deputy CM Filipe Neri Rodrigues. (NT) THE GOOD NEWS: Library for Ambelim. Anthony D'Silva of Brain Box Classes Ambelim and Ambelim sarpanch Benju D'Silva have recently launched a reading library. It is for people who can't buy the newspapers; and for those who can, but do not take the initiative to read. Each library will have a newspaper in each ward of the panchayat of Ambelim, in memory of the late Mauricio Fernandes. Ten more structures are to be put up in different wards in two months time, it was stated. (H) o Sesa Goa Ltd has reported an unaudited profit of 3877 million rupees in the quarter ended March 31, 2005. It has capital employed in iron ore, metallurgical coke, and pig iron. One of the first companies to start mining in Goa during the Portuguese era, this was an Italian-controlled firm till it shifted over to the hands of the Japanese o In Benaulim, till Monday night, a single vote commanded a price as high as Rs 1000 in certain areas of the constituency. (H) ADVERT IN THE NEWSPAPERS: 'Parrikar sworn in as CM'. In heart of your hearts (sic) don't you really want to read this on the 6th of June? Yes! You want stability! Yes! You want the development to continue! Yes! Definitely yes! You don't want Goa to be another Bihar! Listen to your conscience. Bring back the Parrikar Government. Vote BJP. Your only choice for stability, governance and progress. AN AD CLAIMING TO COME FROM A 'CONGRESS SYMPATHISER' says: Congress has seven chief ministers including one of NCP. Do not add to it by voting in Digambar Kamat... He has suffocated for 51 months, let him rest awhile. -- From Congress Sympathiser. 'STOP THIS MICKY MOUSE POLITICS' reads an advert from Monte D'Cruz. It accuses the 'other candidate' (no prize for guessing who!) of ruining the Betalbatim club, creating no jobs, no self-employment, political disloyalty and 'misconduct'. It says the other candidate was ill-tempered, prone to physically assault(ing) opponents, resulting in criminal courses filed in courts against him. COMMENT TITLED 'Parties may win, but Goan electorate will lose'. Constitutional offices in the past few months have touched such a
[Goanet]RE: Navy should quit Dabolim!
Karwar will house some of the navy's most potent weapons - destroyers, stealth frigates and possibly even the soon-to-be acquired Scorpene submarines. A natural harbour, Karwar has been developed by the navy at a cost of more than Rs 2,500 crore to have an 11,200 acre mega base and with its inauguration by Defence Minister Pranab Mukherjee, the first phase of Project Seabird will be completed.[June 1] But the Navy seems to have goofed up in planning air defenses for this big ticket base. An air station is expected to materialise only during the second phase and that too if funds allocations permit! The 6000 foot runway will be little more than half the size of the one in Dabolim. The terrain does not allow liberal airport construction. All in all not a very complimentary example of airport planning. But then the Navy cant be expected to know much about airport design, right?
[Goanet]Manifesto highlights needs of Divar consumers
- Documented by Goa Desc Resource Centre Ph:2252660 Website: www.goadesc.org Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Press Clippings on the web: http://www.goadesc.org/mem/ --- - Manifesto highlights needs of Divar consumers - In view of Bye Elections scheduled for 2nd June, 2005, the Divar Civic and Consumer Forum would like to place before the candidates seeking election in the Constituency of Cumbarjua a Manifesto on behalf of the Consumers of Divar island. INFRASTRUCTURE: Consumers must have Twenty Four hours water supply in the taps, good roads and open spaces, gardens etc. Regarding the bridge across the river Mandovi, views of people should be ascertained by way of referendum whether they want a bridge and if so what type of bridge and the cost and design of the same. In the meantime there should be two Ferries plying both at Ribandar and Old Goa 24 hours a day and inhabitants of the island should be able to use the Ferry Service free of charge for self and vehicle. PUBLIC TRANSPORT: Consumers would like KTC to ply buses on the island side by side with private operators. Consumers would also like to see that Inland waterways transport is revived to start from Naroa to Panjim via Vanxim, Chorao and Divar. For this purpose dredging of the rivers should be undertaken which will also save the island from future inundation. HEALTH CENTRE: Consumers would like to have full-fledged Primary Health Centre with 24 hours service. The Centre should have a Resident Doctor, two nurses, two beds, an Ambulance and necessary medicines specially anti-snakebites and anti-rabies injections LAW AND ORDER: A full-fledged Police Outpost is necessary in the island of Divar with wireless sets, motorcycles and at least two constables and Beat Police. ELECTRICITY: Improved service and infrastructure to restore supply even at nights. ESSENTIAL COMMODITIES: Availability of essential consumer items at reasonable prices on the island is important for the consumers. For this purpose a village market should be established so that people can sell their wares. Milk from Goa Dairy should be available at MRP shown on the packet which at present is not the case. For this purpose milk booths should be established by Goa Dairy. At present the people of the island are paying around Rs. 1,36,875 extra per year over and above MRP on the packet. AGRICULTURE: Special promotion and education to farmers in special techniques of modern agriculture, protection of crops and special protection and funds for repairs and maintenance of Bundhs to protect fields and stop saline ingression in wells. Efforts to be made to reclaim the barren paddy fields. SPORTS AND YOUTH DEVELOPMENT: Special facilities for youth like playgrounds and other sports materials be provided to the island. SELF EMPLOYMENT: Promotion of State and Central schemes and subsidies and awareness of the same be provided to the islanders. GARBAGE MANAGEMENT: The local MLA being the Chairperson of the Garbage Management Committee should activate the functioning of the committee so as to ensure that the island is free from the garbage menace and plastic bottles bags are collected and taken away. Encouragement to be given to conversion of garbage into compost and manure for plants. Last but not the least is VOTER CONSULTATION:Quarterly consultative meetings of the voters must be organised and the MLA should be available at these meetings. --- Issued by the Divar Civic and Consumer Forum for the bye-election in Cumbarjua Constituency. --- --- GOA CIVIC AND CONSUMER ACTION NETWORK --- an initiative of GOA DESC RESOURCE CENTRE to promote civic and consumer rights in Goa --- GOACAN Post Box 78 Mapusa, Goa 403 507 Tel: 2252660 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.goacan.org ---
[Goanet]Re: *** Goanet Reader -- Looking back at the simple, slow-moving Goa
Hi, A quick email to let you know, how much I enjoyed reading the above article. It was so nice to roll back the clock, even if it was for only a short time while reading the article. I myself love the good old days, when people cared and helped each other. Unlike these days where everyone is so obsessed with material and trying to out do each other. I will keep this article in a safe place. Brilliantly written, please keep up the good work. Anna D'souza.
[Goanet]Re: Goanet Reader -- Goa's transformation by stealth....
Hi , great to read accurate description of foreign spurred economy in Goa to some extent it's happening in other states /towns (Bangalore ) - effect of globalization while no nation can live in isolation any more-if only one could take the good part of foreigners invading Goa reject the bad ..part .! but life is not a simple demarkation of balck and white-the shades of greyabound can we not ask some public minded foreigners to head a team...and make one suburb Little England (name can be changed...as Indians are over-sensitive to nomenclature) adopt all good practices to make one model areato be followed by the rest make Israelis spread Sabra culture in Goa...neat clean,well planned townships-lot of discipline hard workfor all inmates () i agree let the foreigners come but also -let Goans (police courts ) ensure there is no spread of drugs, and flesh trade for this there should be no interference from Politicians there should be an organization like Janagraha ( Of ex-citibank's Ramnathan) in B'lore where citizens moniter what govt authorities are doing (Right to Information Act...with all it'slimiting proivions ) if the Municipal corp is not cleaning roads drains/cutting down trees for profit ...or not giving information abt their budget spending instead of losing courage-citizens have to pursue -even go to court-to get the correct info-and THEN enforce beneficial policies and keep politicinas out basic services are avialble abroad 'coz- their politicians do not interfere in Roti-kapda -makan price of bread does not go up for yrs. easier said than done...requires a Gandhi
[Goanet]RE: *** Goanet Reader -- Looking back at the simple, slow-moving Goa
The article from Domnic Fernandes makes nostalgic reading. Having been born in 1941 and brought up in Goa, I have witnessed the Machilas, which we have two in our family, Boilachi gaddi and so forth. Tom de Sousa in Hong Kong LOOKING BACK AT THE SIMPLE, SLOW-MOVING GOA THAT ANOTHER GENERATION KNEW Domnic Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Life in Goa in the 1940s and 1950s was not a piece of cake. Those of us who were born during this period have witnessed tremendous changes including the changing of the guard -- from the Portuguese regime to a democratically-elected government. I look upon the past with nostalgia because I have experienced many things, the most important of all being the transition period from almost the Stone Age to the modern world and the determination with which we forged our lives and came out victorious.
[Goanet]Navy should quit Dabolim!
http://www.zeenews.com/links/articles.asp?aid=220129sid=NAT Defence Minister to inaugurate Asia�s most advanced naval base Karwar (Karnataka), May 31: Asia's most advanced naval base and India's first ship-lift system will be dedicated to the nation today at this Arabian sea coast fulfilling the Indian Navy's dream of having a base that is safe from possible Pakistani missile and fighter attacks. Located in the centre of the western seaboard in Karnataka amidst breathtaking crescent-shaped beaches where the Western Ghat hill ranges touch the sea, Karwar will house some of the navy's most potent weapons - destroyers, stealth frigates and possibly even the soon-to-be acquired Scorpene submarines. A natural harbour, Karwar has been developed by the navy at a cost of more than Rs 2,500 crore to have an 11,200 acre mega base and with its inauguration by Defence Minister Pranab Mukherjee, the first phase of Project Seabird will be completed. UPA chairperson Sonia Gandhi will also grace the function. This naval base is less vulnerable from Pakistani attacks if you compare it with Mumbai, Admiral Arun Prakash told reporters. The base is about 900 nautical miles (nm) away from Karachi and over 1500 nm from new Pakistan bases coming up at Gwadar and Ormara, unlike Mumbai which is only 580 nm away. Its easy connectivity to Goa and Mumbai were other critical components in the 1980s planning process. This is the only harbour which will be exclusively used by the navy, Admiral Prakash said. -- Cheers, Gabe Menezes. London, England
[Goanet]Re: Benevolent dictatorships
Dear Cecil, Question everything. So you follow the Marxist dictum? Fred also has some Marxist theories. Marxism is dying. Time to adopt some capitalist dictum. Any schemes from the World Bank that you know we can avail in Goa...other than constructing the concrete gutters? Miguel: Benevolent dictatorships is what Fred beleives is a successful model for operation, to find a way forward amidst the crabs and snails. It does not always work. Cecil: Well if GoaNet subscribers are going to be guinea pigs for Fred's experiments and 'visions' the least he can do is come out clearly and state so. Miguel: Your choice. I am no dictator, benevolent or malevolent. I am a democrat...as long as everyone agrees with me , or agrees that he is wrong! Cecil: I will remain the person who will question anything that does not sound right. Some are born leaders, some become dictators, some have benevolence thrust upon them. Some, like me, will remain curmudgeons who make others uncomfortable by asking questions. Such is life. === You can interact with Fred on this issue. I was just hoping it could be wound up. We have gone through this before. Viva goa. Miguel
[Goanet]Forts in Goa
Dear Joe, Maybe I can help with some of the forts. I live in Betim, on the banks of the Mandovi River. From my balcony can see the Reis Magos Fort. If you can be a little more precise as to what excatly you are looking for, there are a couple of friends who have gone and studdied some of the forts. l) Reis Magos, 2) Banastarim, 3) Kadamba Plateau at Chimbel, 4) Aguada fort, etc. Regards Ana Maria de Souza-Goswami
[Goanet]Goan elections
Hello Goanetters Leadership begins with ordinary people who exhibit extraordinary faith and responsible action. I hope Floraino Lobo is given a chance to show his leadership skills. May this election give us such a leader who takes Goa to its zenith. Jerry Fernandes.
[Goanet]* View From The Outer Harbour * (30-5-2005)
View From The Outer Harbour by : Thalmann Pradeep Pereira OF MAJORITY AND MATURITY ! 30th May is the Goa Statehood Day. The 25th State in the Sovereign, Socialist, Secular, Democratic Republic of India is now 18 full years old! In the early 1980s, as we, in the Students Federation, campaigned for the right to vote at the age of 18, some well-meaning elderly persons posed us the question: Do you think that an 18-year old is wise enough to choose his legislator for five years? It was our lady-members who shot back with the reply: If a young 18-year old girl can be considered socially and legally to be of marriageable age and wise enough to choose (or be saddled with) a partner for a whole life-time, then why should she not have the right to choose her legislator for a mere 5 years? 18 is the age of majority. The State of Goa is today a major. But does majority imply maturity? When a child is born, it starts learning. No doubt, parents, elders, teachers, community leaders, all constantly teach the child. There are books and schools, preachers and sermons, films and actors who constantly teach the child. And yet, it is ones own experiences which are the best teachers. Theory can only serve to guide Action. But theory is no substitute for action. It is each childs 18 long years of daily, nay hourly, experiences which endow him or her with a certain degree of maturity on attainment of majority. Has Goa, as a constituent part of the polity, economy and society of India, achieved any considerable degree of maturity? Most definitely, YES! Our defector-dominated polity, our largely mining-tourism-and-emigration- dependent economy, and our caste-and-faction-ridden society are veritable proofs of our rich experience of learning that fire burns by actually putting our finger into the flame. Rich and varied experiences indeed in almost every walk of life! No one can accuse Goa and its residents of being inexperienced or immature. And yet, the nagging question will always remain: Could we have done better if we had a proper theory to guide us; better preceptors to lead us by the finger? Goa, it is said, is a land of people who would not dare to cross a bridge unless it was first used for a dinner party by a politician. Or, as a wag once put it, a land of people who would not dare to use a public toilet, even in an extreme emergency, unless the marble plaque outside proclaimed for all eternity that it had been inaugurated by a politician. We shudder to think what conclusions a 24th century archaeologist would draw about the maturity of 18-year old Goa, upon digging out those toilet- inauguration activities of our legislators. Perhaps our BJP-wallahs who are experts in Ayodhya-style archaeology can furnish us the answers. May be that is why the BJPs top state leaders are now emulating their illustrious Congress predecessors by inaugurating toilets; just as their top national leaders keep claiming that during their six-year tenure they were only emulating the economic policies of Narasimha Raos Congress government. A sad commentary, indeed, on the originality of the good governance-wallahs and their 25 fool years! Till the next Monday, then, Happy Thinking! [EMAIL PROTECTED] Harbour Times (30-5-2005)
[Goanet]Goa plays host to political carnival
Goa plays host to political carnival Sandesh Prabhudesai in Panaji | May 31, 2005 It might be off-season for tourism in Goa but that doesn't stop hordes of celebrities and top-notch politicians rushing to the coastal state. The political bandwagon is not heading to Goa for pleasure but for work. The leaders will be in the state to campaign for the June 2 by-election. And everyone from Kyunkii's Smruti Irani to Congress star Govinda to top politicians like Lal Krishna Advani, Pramod Mahajan and Sushama Swaraj are braving the heat in the tourist state to woo the electorate. And other leaders who are gearing to grace the state are Finance Minister P Chidambaram and Maharashtra CM minister Vilasrao Deshmukh. Even Congress chief Sonia Gandhi is planning a visit to the state. The state, which is under the President's rule since March this year, will go to by-elections in five constituencies. The 40-member assembly is presently under suspended animation. The five vacancies in Goa -- Taleigao, Cambarjua, Benaulim, Margao and Poinguinim -- have been caused following the resignation of incumbent members of Legislative assembly in the month-long political drama. The BJP will field their cadres instead of popular figures in most of the constituencies against the five Congress candidates, who were former BJP men. The election also turns crucial with the local bench of Mumbai high court, on Friday, setting aside election of two BJP legislators -- local BJP president Rajendra Arlekar and former minister Dayanand Mandrekar. Though the BJP has succeeded in seeking a 30-day stay on the order to approach the Supreme Court, the Congress has taken advantage of the weakened position of the saffron camp due to the court order. Also read: Bypoll crucial for Goa government Bombay HC sets aside election of two Goa BJP MLAs Column: The two Congress misfits http://in.rediff.com/news/2005/may/30goa.htm Random Thought: Television is an invention that permits you to be entertained in your living room by people you wouldn't have in your home. ~David Frost~
[Goanet]The Carpenter's House
An elderly carpenter was ready to retire. He told his employer-contractor of his plans to leave the house building business and live a more leisurely life with his wife enjoying his extended family. He would miss the paycheck, but he needed to retire. They could get by. The contractor was sorry to see his good worker go and asked if he could build just one more house as a personal favor. The carpenter said yes, but in time it was easy to see that his heart was not in his work. He resorted to shoddy workmanship and used inferior materials. It was an unfortunate way to end his career. When the carpenter finished his work and the builder came to inspect the house, the contractor handed the front-door key to the carpenter. This is your house, he said, my gift to you. What a shock! What a shame! If he had only known he was building his own house, he would have done it all so differently. Now he had to live in the home he had built none too well. So it is with us. We build our lives in a distracted way, reacting rather than acting, willing to put up less than the best. At important points we do not give the job our best effort. Then with a shock we look at the situation we have created and find that we are now living in the house we have built. If we had realized that we would have done it differently. Think of yourself as the carpenter. Think about your house. Each day you hammer a nail, place a board, or erect a wall. Build wisely. It is the only life you will ever build. Even if you live it for only one day more, that day deserves to be lived graciously and with dignity. The plaque on the wall says, Life is a do-it-yourself project. Your life tomorrow will be the result of your attitudes and the choices you make today.
[Goanet]Re: Historian on Goa Inquisition or a Novel form of misusing Goanet?
Dear Goanetters and Goanet Administration, As a student of Goan history I have followed the writings of Teotonio de Souza for quite a number of years now, and was quite surprised at the tenor of the article attributed to him by Sachin Phadte and his mysterious friend. Dr. de Souza is a highly respected, internationally renowned historian, and to fabricate material in his name, and then post it on Goanet, is a very serious offence. I call on Mr. Phadte to reveal the name of his friend, and also the source from which he extracted the alleged article. I also call on the Goanet Administration to take appropriate action if the article is found to have been a blatant and mischievous fabrication. Victor Rangel-Ribeiro, Porvorim and the U.S.A.
[Goanet]Tobacco is top killer in Goa according to NOTE survey
-- Documented by Goa Desc Resource Centre Ph:2252660 Website: www.goadesc.org Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Press Clippings on the web: http://www.goadesc.org/mem/ -- WORLD NO TOBACCO DAY - 31st May 2005 --- Tobacco is top killer in Goa, reveals survey -- Every year, 40 to 50 per cent deaths in the State are caused by tobacco related diseases, reveals a survey conducted by the National Organisation for Tobacco Eradication (NOTE). According to NOTE, approximately 27.4 per cent men over the age of 18 use smoke as well as chew tobacco; 22.8 per cent are smokers and 13.2 per cent use smokeless tobacco products. Around 13.6 per cent of women in Goa found to be using tobacco; 6.4 per cent smoke cigarettes and 10.4 per cent use other tobacco products. However, the survey has also revealed a positive aspect. Research officer of NOTE Dr Umesh Naik said that the overall smoking instance among people of all age groups has come down by five per cent over the last ten years. Dr Shekhar Salkar, general secretary of NOTE attributed this decline in tobacco use to the 'No Tobacco' campaign launched by the World Health Organisation (WHO). According to Dr Salkar, another reason for the decline in smoking is the ban on the advertisement of tobacco products in Goa and the Goa Prohibition of Smoking and Spitting Act of 1999. However, other tobacco habits such as chewing of tobacco has remained unchanged, said Dr Umesh Naik, adding that although the sale of gutka is banned, the product is sold clandestinely and the chewing tobacco habit is observed among the younger age group. According to Dr Salkar the reason for persistence of chewing habits is that gutka and other type of products are available at a much lower rate as compared to cigarettes. Another finding of NOTE according to Dr Salkar is that education levels have had an impact on smoking habits in the case of women in the State. He informed that the instances of smoking among females educated up to primary level are approximately 55-60 per cent. In the case of women educated up to standard eighth, the instances of smoking is about 10 per cent and in the case of females educated up to HSSC the instance of smoking levels is as low as 0.4 per cent informed Dr Salkar. -- HERALD 31/05/05 page 1 -- --- GOA CIVIC AND CONSUMER ACTION NETWORK --- an initiative of GOA DESC RESOURCE CENTRE to promote civic and consumer rights in Goa --- GOACAN Post Box 78 Mapusa, Goa 403 507 Tel: 2252660 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.goacan.org ---
[Goanet]BJP running scared of the small party
Small parties should be barred: Mahajan PANAJI: BJP national general secretary, Pramod Mahajan, said that in the interest of political stability, Goans should wipe out candidates fielded by small parties and independent candidates as they contribute to instability. (GT) Comment: Floriano Lobo it seems that they are running scared of you. Keep at it one day you are sure to get there. Must applaud Samir's stance too, the lily-livered Goankears must wake up and vote for honest people. -- Cheers, Gabe Menezes. London, England
[Goanet]Promoting Goa University
Dear Kevin, Nice to hear from you. While we are on the move, greening Goa, there are others who see everything in shades of greyconcrete. It is still an uphill task trying to prevent the building from coming up right next to the collection tank below the Salmona Spring. The Salmona Paryavaran Manch, the Mario and Muriel Mascarenhas[MMM] duo and Sandeep Azrencar's NISARG Nature Club are leading the protest with the support of other organisations including the Botanical Society of Goa [BSG] and the Centre for Environment Education[CEE]. Rico is doing his bit to get Saligaokars[ either gender] to plant more trees. The BSG has spread the green message through its member schools, HSS and Colleges. It is having a ripple effect. This month the CEE, BSG and NISARG have decided to come together to celebrate the World Enviroment Week beginning 05 June. The BSG ,WGKF and WWF-N are already working together. The more we are together, the happier we shall be. Your father, Edwin Saldanha, has been an inspiration to a generation of boys and girls who have camped at the Salmona Spring camp site. His book on Successful Goan Home made Wines is helping people to make fruit wines. There is renewed interest in planting what used to be called Minor Fruits. The Agriculture Officers' Association [AOA]is coming up with a new book on these plants. the one that I had compiled and edited a decade back has been out of print and become a little outdated too. I am joining the AOA effort again after a few years' gap. Viva Goa. Miguel : Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Miguel, We must have been having a telepathic moment here. How can we redirect a lot of the 'hot air' on this list towards this 'greening' initiative? Are you aware of any other such plans and what is the state of Goa's virgin forests currently? Kevin Saldanha Mississauga, Canada From: Miguel Braganza [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Goans/ Goa lovers, I am happy to inform you that the oHERALDo carried on the same day a news item that the Western Ghats Kokum Foundation [WGKF]has signed a MoU with the goa University to plant different tree species on the Goa University campus and the road leading to it from NIO Circle, Dona Paula. The State Bank of India, which had funded a mini orchard at Goa University in the early 1990s has loosened its purse-strings again. The funds are routed through the WGKF. The Multi Commodity Exchange of India [MCX] is also funding the project. The Chowgules[ Ravi Chowgule] have assured that they will make rock breaker JCB and other equipment available for excavating pits on the rocky campus. I am putting the experience gained in doing just this at Goa University[ in 1991-93] at the disposal of the University for free. You are invited to join the effort. Write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you would like to contribute to the building up of the Goa University's environment. Let it showcase the best of Goa and not become a poor second to Aldeia de Goa, Paradiso de Goa or any other private housing project. Let it be different, not inferior. It is our University. Viva Goa. Miguel
[Goanet]RE: Gaunkaries/Communidades
From: Nasci Caldeira [EMAIL PROTECTED] It is true that Communidades existed for over a thousand years, or whatever; But this is no reason why this system should not change! It smacks of 'Commune' living and also of 'feudalism'. Nobody likes feudalism and nobody lives in communes anymore; the world is now in the 21st century. Let individual property be private and let all 'commune' property be public either state or village public. Of course it will not be 'shared' but for public use and with a public purpose; and if so decided then it can be sold or whatever according to common wishes and not only of the Gaonkars. after all, all Gaonkars are not really resident anymore, the style/ system of living is no more! So the old 'Commune property' should be rightly declared like 'Evacuee' property, and become public. == Dear Nasci, Intriguing proposition. 1. Are you saying that when Gen Candeth struck a body-blow to the Communidade System, the owners of the Communidade were living on it as a Commune? 2. Perhaps I could suggest that we look carefully at the history (even if it is at the past 200 years) of the Communidade lands, How the Zhonn came about, What Zhonn meant, How Zhonn was calculated..and WHAT the Portuguese Govt negotiated with the Communidade land owners and WHY.and IF negotiated 'contracts' can legally be broken by unilateral action. 3. As far as I know, India follows the same common + civil law systems as Britain. I believe that Australia, NZ, most of Canada and the US and the Caribbean follow the same legal systems. Goa is in the same position as Quebec, California, New Mexico, Texas and possibly Louisiana - where the European (Roman Law) systems overlap with the British common + civil law systems. Under which system would you rename these Private properties as Evacuee properties? 4. I believe that the Indian Constitution has special Acts dealing with Evacuee properties. Please vide the 1950 Act - ammended in the early 1960s. It might be worth one's while to look at recent Indian Supreme Court rulings on Evacuee property with special reference to Kashmir. How do Goans fit in it . 5. What you are suggesting is a Marxist (Cuba style) take over of private property. Should they stop at the land only - or even go to houses? The Bandodkar-Shashikala Kakodkar combine organised land to the Mundcar phenomenon. Why did they spare the mines ... and NOT give the ownership of the mines to the miners? There was a clever little provision put in place BEFORE Bandit-ker initiated the process of the Mundcar take over of private property. Think about it IF the Agricultural Land should go to the Tiller .Why not Mines to the Miners? BTW: Has anyone worked out to WHOM the land really belonged before the present Mine-Owners came and prospected for minerals .kept on good terms with the Portuguese, USED Portuguese law and became OWNERS of the land. DID they BUY that land on which they mined and continue to mine? Today with the state of the Laws ...if you rent out a Room in your house ... in which you are living ...OR even take pity on a homeless person and offer him shelter for a day ...How long do you think it will take to get him out? The Banditos knew the legal difficulties with the Communidade land ... so they converted it step by step. I shall stop here ...and wait for your comment. jc _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
Re: [Goanet]News: It's Official - Kannada Script for Konkani in Schools
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sixty-seven people responded. Of these, 44 opted for the Kannada script, 19 for the Devanagari script, two for the Roman script and two were not clear about their choice. What happened to Goenkars? Is Konkani now outsourced to Karnataka? Carlos
[Goanet]Back from Goa --- Goa Suraj etc 2
Dear Dotor, I fully agree with you on this score. It is all about money,honey. Dr.Samir Kelekar does seem to have convoluted[ if not eniterely contorted] thinking. What does Costao's bravado in killing Alvernaz alemao got to do with elections? Why does he not reside in Goa to fight the 'Cowboy-and-Red Indian' games he prescribes to the resident natives? He could also investigate the 100 girls story while he leads us in a fight. Says he,It is better to fight and be dead, rather than be live as an impotent. If he is not fighting and yet living, do we surmise that our worst fears about him are true? Do we treat Floriano Lobo[ atleast one newspaper abrreviated his name to 'Flory'] as a hero or a true Moidekar? .. jose colaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote In response to this from me: I also disagree with you that Goans should arm themselves to defend themselves. Any arm the average Goan buys, the GOONS will buy better. In this arms race, Goans will not only be impoverished - they will also be quite Dead. Samir Kelekar wrote: Well, that needs to be seen. It is better to fight and be dead, rather than be live as an impotent. And surely, there are complexities to the situation. Remember the brave customes officer, who had the guts to kill Churchill's brother, in his own self-defense. Dear Samirbab, I don't know the facts of that Alemao case. I hear you when you describe the helplessness of the present situation in Goa. I hear you. I agree with your evaluation, but disagree with the remedy you prescribe. It all revolves round Poixe my dear friend all round Poixe. jc === 1. Vivian D'Souza: In my humble opinion communidade property should be considered to be public property for the good of all the citizens and not just the Gaunkars. Abolishing the Communidade system will also save expenditures on a layer of bureaucracy - The Administrador which is a legacy of colonialism .. It is not funny when Vivian from Badem- Salvador do Mundo suggests that Communidade land be treated as Public property. Perhaps he is blissfully unaware of the history and land titles of the Communidades.Would he let his private property to be treated as such/ or suggest that the land held by the Ranes, the erstwhile Visconde the Pernem and Conde de Mayem be likewise treated as public property.[ These worthies never bought the land that they now possess/occupy.] Bad enough that the Government is taking over communidade lands for Central Government employees to build houses in Goa and the politicians are encouraging slum vote banks in Communidade land. Charity begins at home. Is Vivian willing to lead the way to sharing property with the havenots? We can then abolish the Goa Government, the Zilla Panchayats, the Village Panchayats and live forever in Utopia...waiting for the manna to fall from heaven. Viva Goa. Miguel
[Goanet];TALEIGAO CUMBARJUA CONSTITUENCY ROUND UP
Dear Godfrey, You may be right in most of the things you wrote about Taleigao but you sure got the church next to Villa Monseratte absolutely wrong. The church is not dedicated to St.Agnes[ St.Inez] but to St.Michael[ Sao Miguel]. Bullfights used to be organised on the feast day in the church yard that has now been converted into a nice sit-out. I do not know if Babush would allow anyone to look at his house with naked eyes...he would cover their nakedness immediately. Viva Babush,[ He is going to win anyway!] Miguel [ not the saint] - Original Message - From: godfrey gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ;; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; ;goanet@goanet.org Taleigao Assembly Constituency CORE ISSUES: St Inez storm drain, the undercapacity Tonca sewerage system, the unreliable inefficient bus transport, the migrant influx . Loyalty to the light blue eyed fair dimunitive highly volatile versatile self confessed juvenile brat - Atnasio Babush Monseratte son of a money lender who resides in a closed fortress near the St Inez Church--- (there is a massive gate which bars the naked eye from peeping into the castle)
[Goanet]Video Forum
Video Forum: June Screening On Saturday, 4th June 2005, at 4.00 p.m. we will be having the screening of DAYABAI : THE LADY WITH FIRE Length: about 1 hr. Born Mercy Matthew in Kerala, from childhood Dayabai was spiritually inclined. She wanted to become a nun. For her, serving God has always meant to serve the poor, and that means living and working among them. This film chronicles the life of this remarkable woman, living amongst Gond tribals in Madhya Pradesh, struggling along with them to improve their lives. The venue will be the same: Dominican Training Centre (DTC) For further details see below. To reach the DTC, take the Mapusa-Aldona route. Soon after the Sopier bus stop in Moira, on the left you will see a black board with white lettering Dominican Training Centre. Turn left here and go straight along for about 600 metres, past St. Xavier's School. The DTC is a cream-coloured building on the right. - For further information on the Video Forum contact Prakash Lohale, O.P., at the above tel. no. Or at email [EMAIL PROTECTED], or Vidyadhar Gadgil at [EMAIL PROTECTED] - DTC - Training For Change --- Dominican Training Center (DTC) 350 Pirazona, Moira. Bardez. Goa. 403507. India. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 91-0832-2470398 --- Documentation + Training + Communication
[Goanet]Re: Male nuns (since Fred insists on maintaining the original thread even if it is no longer significant)
Frederick Noronha wrote: Cecil, Please respect my silence on this issue; I *am* trying to ignore you. Cecil: Since you have asked politely I will respect your request for silence on this issue. In future let me know when you are ignoring me. Sometimes silence can be read as an admission of error. - Fred: I have neither the time nor the inclination to get dragged into controversy for controversy sake; Cecil: Someday when you have the time and the inclination we will revisit the matter and I will show you the relevance of the points I was raising. Although I have no doubt that you can very clearly see it right now. - Fred: in the past too, I've got caught up with such issues as far as you are concerned, including in the famous 'Goa Today' case. Cecil: The Goa Today case is brought up every time as a red herring to take away from the issue at hand. I made an error in judgement then and have since explained and made amends. -- Fred: What I said is on record, and I stand by what I've said. You are going out of your way to misconstrue my words and intentions, and then expect me to respond to all kinds of debate. Sorry, won't oblige. Cecil: That is your prerogative but spare me the patronising attitude. The one month silence between my questions and this your 'I will not oblige' response now, speaks volumes for what is being 'misconstrued' and what are the facts. Strange that a normally verbose person like you allowed 'misconstruing' of your words to go on for so long. Maybe you thought I would just give up. Well now I will, since you asked politely. ==
Re: [Goanet] Emails from Mario Goveia's address
--- halur rasho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No idea what the quarrel is about, but as a THIRD CLASS AMERICAN (indian citizen) I have nothing against canadians first class or otherwise. Recently visited Canada and found the natives reasonably friendly and the women pretty.. Mario explains: Hey, Halur, I suspect we have a case of green card envy going on here by someone who then created the rationale that he really wanted to run for US president and moved to Canada so he could run for Prime Minister. You are right, most Canadians are reasonably fine people, notwithstanding a couple of exceptions.
Re: [Goanet] Emails from Mario Goveia's address
Hi Gabriel, Australia sure sounds attractive. I have been there and saw lots of nice things there particularly, much open space. However, I do not believe it is as rosy as you make out. Apart from a weak currency where the income is some 25% lower than here for the same work, thousands of Aussies are escaping for work and career progression to the UK and other countries not only to earn a lot more than their compatriots in OZ, they also get the kind of jobs they could not get at home because Australia has a more limited social and economic infrastructure. Indeed, the Australians are the largest number of immigrants to the UK at present, even though the cost of living is much higher here than in OZ. Many sink roots here and all the indications are that they will visit OZ but not choose to live there permanently, irrespective of glorious weather and beaches etc. Of course it is true that there are UK immigrants heading for OZ but their rate of return is surprisingly high. Some of these are white working class escapees from multicultural Britain and I want to suggest that they are hardly likely to have a liberal view of new immigrants to OZ unless they are white! I have also read of discrimination by colour including the exclusion of Indian kids in sporting events when playing in more prestigious settings. I therefore ask whether you honestly believe that the White Australia Policy which only went off the books, after ages, as recently as 1973, because of a marked reduction (I have the figures) of white immigrants from Europe, has been so expunged that the woman leader of the One Australia party/policy, or whatever it is called, and her compatriots have now gone to sleep? Even if half of what I said above is rejected by you on your former justification of cronyism please bear with me when I say that OZ is definitely not as rosy as you make it out. I have really good friends in Australia ( white and non-whites) who definitely would disagree with your view through what seems like rose tinted glasses. Finally, I well expect some kind of onslaught over the above. This happened when George Pinto was attacked for similar views as mine. Therefore, I am quite ready, Gabriel, following this spontaneous post from me. Regards, Cornel DaCosta, London, UK. - Original Message - From: Gabriel de Figueiredo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@goanet.org Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 1:04 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Emails from Mario Goveia's address Come down to Australia, guys, and you'll be first class citizens of this country downunder within two years; provided of course, you come in legitimately and don't try to jump the queue. You can rise to be the PM (as anyone can) with a little bit of luck and pluck. We have a 1st-gen. Chinese as the Lord Mayor of Melbourne for the second time running. So you've got a chance too. Cheers, Gabriel de Figueiredo. Melbourne - Australia. --- halur rasho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No idea what the quarrel is about, but as a THIRD CLASS AMERICAN (indian citizen) I have nothing against canadians first class or otherwise. Recently visited Canada and found the natives reasonably friendly and the women pretty.. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Want your daughter to be Miss Universe?
Then come over to Canada ;-) The following is from The Globe and Mail. Mervyn3.0 -- Toronto model wins Miss Universe contest Tuesday, May 31, 2005 Page A10 Bangkok -- Blue-eyed Canadian brunette Natalie Glebova was crowned Miss Universe 2005 in the Thai capital today in the 54th annual pageant. The 23-year-old model from Toronto was picked over runner-up Cynthia Olavarria of Puerto Rico after answering a final question about what she considered the biggest challenge of her life. I always try to maintain a positive outlook on life, she said, adding that remaining optimistic was most challenging. Ms. Glebova, who studies information technology management at Toronto's Ryerson University, was born in Russia. She moved to Canada with her parents at age 12. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[Goanet]TALEIGAO CUMBARJUA CONSTITUENCY ROUND UP
Campaigning in the five assembly constituencies which officially commenced on 19th May, 2005 ( the last date of withdrawal ) came to an end on 31st May,2005. The intervening period until the day of reconing 2.6.2005 June 2005 will be filled with lies lies and more lies by each of the aspirants. The voter should be aware. This writer covered the five constituencies interacting with some of the candidates their electoral agents the party office bearers and some voters to ascertain the electoral prospects of the candidates in the fray. Taleigao Assembly Constituency CORE ISSUES: decade old unhygienic St Inez storm drain, the undercapacity Tonca sewerage system, the unreliable inefficient bus transport, the migrant influx mostly belonging to the minority community, the economically deprived tribal community nav gawdas and gawdas. The municipal area elite and the village panchayat villagers have living standards that contrast by comparison. Loyalty to the light blue eyed fair dimunitive highly volatile versatile self confessed juvenile brat - Atnasio Babush Monseratte son of a money lender who resides in a closed fortress near the St Inez Church--- (there is a massive gate which bars the naked eye from peeping into the castle) is reflected by the INC flags banners ( photo of Sonia Gandhi and Babush ) in front of the houses establishments of his voters. Youthful voulunteers wearing T shirts screaming BABUSH. Moslems mainly from Karnataka living alongside some of the narrow roads of the Constituency are clearly in violation of building bye laws.. They form themeat of his vote bank. Dont ask whether the structures are legal illegal -- says a resident to this writer --we have been residing here for over 30 years. They are mainly autorickshaw owners etc. Then down the village side there are the gawda community even the nav gawdas and they are all for Babush to amcho kama korta --amka pavta The elitist voters are a little secretive -- we have not decided yet --- here lies the big question. will they will they not voter for BJP. Babush meets the voters on his several rounds no bashan lectures and he carried the campaign himself --- he believes in himself none other. When asked Who should get the credit for the development of the Constituency ? yes the roads are well, laid at Dona Paula the Goa University the bye pass the garden in front of the St Inez Church the pavement excellent. Babush tells his voters the BJP never had a mandate to rule niether in October,2000 nor in June 2004, and to press his point he states --they will never ever. So without us (meaning those from other partiest that extended support to BJP and later turned noveau BJP like Babush) Mr Parrikar would not have achieved anything. Yes the credit should go to them --- look what happens without us --- referring to the present bye elections -- heads nod in agreement. Every thing is well organised the voters on the list matter none other he cross checks himself . Loyalty at the booths ought to be 100% he tells his volunteers. The other candidate Pradip Nagvekar the BJP candidate started his campaign late but he too moves around with a few voters and their message is clear -- you need two hands to clap -- this counters Babush's claims . Meaning without the direction of Mr Parrikar to the development agenda in 51 months the state would have nothing to mention. They bank on the Hindu votes the government employees the traders the upper castes and the intelligentia and these silent votes could turn the apple cart for Babush. Yes Babush has admitted that he had not time enough for his children and the June 2005 results could provide him the much needed time if the tide turns against him. Allow us to complete the unaccomplished task for the remaining years. Some remark the candidate is weak Mr Parrikar assures - just vote for him -- I will take care of the rest--- this infact reflects the 51 month old Mr Parrikar image -- he is the master of all -- Their campaign is a much on low profile. Mr Parrikar himself has met many of the constituents personally --thats his style, and he blames Babush who in his opinion would turn Goa into a concrete jungle -- paddy fields into real estate hills downsized to erect apartments. Hence there was no alternative the demands were too much and I had to get him out says Parrikar --- give us an absolute majority we need not depend on these turncoats (Babush) Despite contradictions the battle is friendly. The ex MLA Mr Somnath Zuarkar is supporting Babush -- but could it be a quid pro qua there are too many cases involving Zuarkar and Parrikar had pinned him down to silence. Cumbarjua Assembly Constituency Core Issues --Erratic or no regular water supply, inefficient transport,power failures, promised bridges. system , accute unemployment among the fishing community community and agricluturists bridges The veteran ex INC MLA ex-GPCC President a loyal Congress woman is in
Re: [Goanet]RE: [Bosco] who controls Goa?
--- jose colaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JC2: True ...populace elects the politicians WHO have been selected (except for Independents) by Delhi. Hey! didin't the people of Saddam's Iraq also vote all these years? Hey, that's no different than what was happening during Salazar's time in Goa. Candidates of the National Party (selected by Lisbon) and Independents competed to represent Estado da India Portuguesa in the Portuguese Parliament at a voting... One of the independents who was voted to Parliament was Dr. Froilano de Mello ... All that was missing then was full freedom of speech. But then, it is missing now also, in many ways. Ask Parrikar. Gabriel de Figueiredo. Melbourtne - Australia. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet] Emails from Mario Goveia's address
--- Mervyn Lobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The fact remains that you, because of your parents and place of birth, do not have the rights that other Americans have. That means you are a SECOND CLASS citizen. In all my years studying/teaching in US, not once did I come across anyone who was called Paki. Mario replies: Mervyn, you have the typical attitude of someone who could not get a US green card, and had to move to Canada or go home. I guess you tell your friends in Canada that you moved there because they would not let you run for US President. I can see the Canucks nodding their heads in agreement and patting you on the back for displaying such wisdom. In the US, once you are a citizen, no one considers you as anything else. This notion of second-class citizens and names like Paki are used in the UK and Canada, not in the US, as you have correctly stated.
Re: [Goanet]Goa and electricity
Hi Rahul, Data Loggers are available that might do what you're looking for. The company I work for, LogicaCMG, have a SCADA division, unfortunately am not familiar with the team (they're based in these part of the woods, though) - but I'll try and contact one of them and see if there's a solution based on your requirements. In the meanwhile, a hunt for Data Logger voltage SCADA might throw up some good results ... Sorry I could not be of greater assistance at this time. Cheers, Gabriel de Figueiredo. Melbourne - Australia --- Rahul Goswami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Living and working in Goa and electricity ... A recording device that generated data about power would have been very helpful. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Response to query from George Pinto
Hi George, Nice to hear from you. I was away for several days, enjoying unexpected good weather and a Bank holiday--hence the delay in replying but this is done with some haste I'm afraid. Please note that no apology is needed because you were led to single out East African Goans... In my view, it is rather important to know what happened there regarding a long period of shameful Catholic Goan caste practice. Indeed, I believe that it should never be forgotten because the exclusionary caste practice caused so much pain and distress to significant numbers. That there was significant caste practice among the Goans in East Africa has fortunately been well documented in at least two PhD theses which I carefully read from cover to cover some years ago. Both focused on caste and club as analytical themes among the Goans in Kampala and Nairobi. From memory, the one in Kampala was by Jessica Kuper, University of London. The second one was by Donna [de Quadros?], University of Nairobi. I think both were undertaken in the late 1950s or early 1960s. I regret, I can't find the references on Google but hopefully, a Goanetter may be able to help on other search engines re the titles of the two interesting studies. Both studies largely used indepth interviews with the Goans associated with their clubs. To put these studies in context, we should note that what was generally termed British East Africa comprised Uganda, Kenya and Tanzania. Independence was gained in 1962, 1963 and 1964 respectively. All three countries had sizeable Goan populations and actual details are provided in sources such Albuquerque (1986?) and Salvadori (1989). The independence dates above, are significant in that, a process of Africanisation took place before or soon after independence resulting in the outflow of the Goans, largely to the West. In the case of Uganda, this was sharply accelerated in 1972 when Idi Amin effectively threw out the vast majority of Asians through a decree. However, not absolutely everyone left. For complex reasons, a few stayed behind, and more recently, many were called back by the current President who realised that the Asian population had a lot to offer Uganda's development. In the case of Kenya, there was a sharp exodus in 1968, but again, significant numbers remained behind and there are sufficient numbers there to sustain Goan social activity to this day. I am less clear about exactly what happened in Tanzania but there was no sudden exit as far as I can tell and Goan numbers there have remained. In all three territories, former, and new people have been able to obtain work permits on short term contracts to make up for a skills shortfall. Coming back to the Catholic Goan caste issue, in my view, a critical mass was needed to bring out the odious segregationist features of caste practice in the Goan clubs/social institutions and this endured until about the time of independence when people were making a bee-line to leave. I will illustrate this with the example of Nairobi, capital of Kenya, and which had a large Goan population. What I knew from experience is rather nicely captured in Donna's thesis. Thus, in the heyday of the Goan club, where caste was a significant factor, Nairobi had a club called the Goan Gymkhana which catered primarily for self-defined Goa village based 'elite' castes. Then, there were four other clubs, the Goan Institute, the Railway Goan Institute, the SFX Tailors Association and a small one, the Santa Cruz Club for those in catering, the bar trade, and others. Basically, those in the last two listed above, and particularly the tailors, were socially ostracised by some members of their community irrespective that they may have enjoyed a certain affluence because of a strong market for their skills. Nairobi had a critical mass of Goans until the 1960s to make it possible to have several Goan clubs. After that, numbers in Kenya declined due to Goan emigration to other countries. Also, with independence, the names of the clubs changed and the word Goan could not be used exclusively as before. Thus, the Goan Institute in Mombasa simply became the Mombasa Institute, even though its membership largely remained Goan. In the above, I have referred to the term a critical mass this is because, in Mombasa, just 300 miles from Nairobi, we had a much smaller Goan population compared to Nairobi. Consequently, there were just two Goan clubs which were characterised by occupation moreso than by caste per se. Thus, white collar workers could become members of the Goan Institute but not the Goan tailors for instance. The tailors therefore formed their own SFX Tailors Association quite early on. I was reliably informed that one irony was that the President of the SFX Tailors Association in Mombasa, had repeatedly applied (once with my personal support, before I left Kenya), and been rejected as a member of the Goan
[Goanet]OFFTOPIC: Maps, Goa, GIS (was goa map)
Talking about maps, here's an article written some time back. Apologies for an offtopic post, not directly related to Goa. Just sharing it because the maps issue was being discussed in Goa, including on the Vascokars list.FN Finding your way around: Why India simply needs good and better maps... --- By Frederick Noronha What is GIS? And why is India so secretive about this field? A young engineer who trained in one of the country's most prestigious engineering institution has set about de-mystifying this computer-based tool for mapping and analysing geographical information, which could have immense use in India's attempts to surge ahead. Ravi Gupta, in his mid-thirties and alumni of the prestigious Indian Institute of Technology--Kanpur, is deep into Geographical Information Systems (GIS). In fact, he's the founder and head of an insitution that's difficult to understand from just its name -- the Centre for Spatial Database Management and Solutions (CSDMS), at Noida just outside Delhi. But in a talent-rich, resource-poor country like India, Gupta sees a fascinating role for Geographical Information Systems in ensure citizen's access to information -- including scientific information, and specially geographic information. If only, the powers that be would loosen their decades-old outdated grip on this technology, and realise how it could benefit the very pressing problems of hundreds of millions of citizens today. But let's begin at the start. Put simply, a GIS is a computer-based tool for mapping and analysing geographical information. It helps us visualise database queries and statistical analysis. Besides, geographical analysis done with GIS helps in explaining events, predicting outcomes and planning strategies. GIS, to go by the technical jargon, represents and analyse features present on earth and events that take place on it. Components that go into it are the database, the methodology, software and the hardware. Data can be collected by modern tools like the GPS (global positioning system), or age old field-surveys, the use of a satellite, or aerial photography. This is more than relevant in a country like India, struggling as it does with inadequate resources. GIS can play in crucial role in government, the private sector, and even the common people's lives. Its promises: a more effective planning of resource development and deployment. What does all this mean in practical terms? Recent issues of Gupta's monthly magazine, called 'GIS Development', have touched on include detailed studies on very down-to-earth subjects. From disease early-warning systems, to urban rail transport corridor identification, geospatial tools for natural disaster management, coastal resource management, natural resource exploration, the use of Internet maps for the community in Hong Kong, and how hi-tech tools can help watershed management or ground-water estimation. His stories also graphically demonstrate how governmental plans to involve school children in 'neighbourhood mapping' in India, and even how Australia's largest cemetery is offering a better service to visitors by GIS-based mapping information. GIS has, by now, grown far beyond its cartographic origins into a useful tool for planning and decision-support. It allows us to visualise information not only as tables, diagrams and reports but also in maps, says Gupta. In addition, he points out, GIS includes tools to solve complex planning and management problems by managing, manipulating, analysing, modelling, querying and display of spatial -- or, area-related -- data. Why GIS? Gupta explains: Imagine that you are in Mumbai, the commercial capital and the leading industrial centre of India. A chemical factory has a leak in its plant. Disaster managers want to know how many people are likely to be affected, how to get them evacuated, and where will they go. (Using GIS solutions) we can get to know the speed of the chemical vapour flow, how much area will be affected and where, how to identify the hospitals, the routes for the ambulances, and can immediately implement a disaster management plan. GIS offers a useful solution in such a case. Gupta says with undiluted enthusiasm: It can be applied in anything you can -- imagine agriculture, business marketing, forestry, transportation, utility. Anything for which we know the geographic coordinates, needs geographic analysis. If you still aren't convinced, Gupta has the figures. A survey undertaken half-a decade ago in 1999 by Asia-Pacific Property Trends, says that -- in proportion to the local earning capacities -- property in New Delhi is 100 times costlier than Kuala Lumpur, Sydney, Bangkok or Tokyo or Singapore. Earlier this decade, when India asked leading international consultants what India needed to do to significantly hike (or possible nearly double) its rather modest 5.5% per annum growth
Re: [Goanet]You are with us, or you are with the terrorists
--- Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am quite sure, that there is not one person on Goanet who supports or had supported Saddam Hussein. Now why don't you jump on yer bike and take a ride, as stated by a former U.K. Government Minister Norman Tebbit. Truly, you have one heck of a way of bringing people to dislike you to the point, of getting them to the brink of being abusive towards you - but heck you couldn't care less, as usual! Mario replies: Gabe, what bike are YOU riding? You can rant and rave and talk gibberish about some ex-Minister all you want, but the fact remains that you are tacitly, if not openly, a supporter of the Saddam Hussain regime, and the Sunni Baathists currently trying to disrupt the nascent democracy in Iraq with deadly force. You support them by relentlessly opposing those who are trying to liberate Iraq and stop the killing. No one who opposes the removal of such a tyrant as relentlessly as you do, a tyrant who from a minority community oppressed his majority population by brutal and deadly force, defied the UN for over 12 years by refusing to disclose what he did with WMDs he had used, looted the oil-for-food program to deny food and medicines to his own people while building palaces for himself, paid bounties to the families of suicide bombers in Israel, and provided sanctuary to al Qaeda, can then turn around and claim that you oppose his removal on principle. Then you continue a drumbeat of opposition to the pacification and democratization of Iraq, after they have conducted elections and are valiantly trying to form a government, while the Sunni Baathists whom you sympathize with are using suicide bombers to continue to kill the Shia and Kurds in an attempt to deny them the freedom and democracy they so desperately want. And I'm supposed to be worried about someone disliking me when I point this out? You must be joking!
Re: [Goanet]Ismael Merchant Dies - Correction..addenda
Hi Alfred, By 1964, when I commenced my studies at D. Bosco's in Year IV, I was quite past that Fauntleroy phase! My rough guess is that the Kendalls gave a show at DB's circa 65, which puts it in mid- rather than early- 60s. They were short excerpts from various plays rather than one whole play. I still remember the part from Lady MacBeth's Here's the smell of blood still. And all the perfumes of Arabia will not sweeten this little hand! To bed, to bed! theres knocking at the gate: come, come, come, come, give me your hand. Whats done cannot be undone as performed by Mrs. Kendall. --- Alfred de Tavares [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not in the 60s, unless they made a second visit. ... The one you recall at D. Bosco's may have been a full play performed for general, more adult public. ... Gabriel weren't you far too young then to attending, and enjoying, s. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com
RE: [Goanet]Semantics of migration - Jorge
From: Cecil Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet]Semantics of migration - Jorge Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 22:18:55 -0400 Nasci Caldeira has made an attempt: I would think that: one's citizenship, acquired or birth right, is and should be, the criteria for this. A Canadian Goan would mean, that the person is a Canadian citizen and happens to come from Goa India, the previous nationality. Similarly, a Goan Canadian would mean that he is a Goan Indian, or of Indian origin but residing in Canada; aiming or not for Canadian citizenship. - I don't quite agree with Nasci. So Canadian-Goan would describe a person who is Goan by ethnic origin but is now permanently settled in Canada. A Goan-Canadian on the other hand would mean a person of Canadian ethnic origin who is now settled in Goa. There are no Goan-Canadians to the best of my knowledge. Not yet at least. Nasci's views and logic: How can a Goan be of Canadian 'ethnic' origin? That way, it means : a Goan Canadian is one who resides permanently or temoporarily in Canada and is yet an Indian Citizen (Goan) I have given more importance to the first Nationality in the syntax because, when a person surrenders his initial citizenship for the one of his/hers adopted Country, one has to swear allegience of 'do or die' for the Country, more or less. Hence one becomes a full fledged Citizen whilst happenning to originate ethnically or ancestrally from one's earlier Country. Before Goa became part of the Indian Union, we Goans, in Bombay and other parts of India used to have an inconclusive debate about this; if a Goan is an Indian Goan or Goan Indian; because then Goans born in Goa had by birth right a Portuguese Citizenship. And living in India would have meant the person is a Goan Indian rather than an Indian Goan. And Goa and India did then exist as seperate entities! Of course this argument does not apply now; as it is a 'fait accompli' if anyone likes it or not, that all Goans are granted Indian citizenship; unless a Goa born person demands a Portuguese citizenship as one's birthright, like many have done and continue to do so. Then again, RKN's suggestion has merit; re adjective and noun; but! though a noun can have capital first letter, an adjective cannot have a capital first letter. So this looks a bit messy. Therefore I would venture that terms like African American / American African and Gulf Goans etc. is a different kettle of fish; precisely because Gulf and Africa are not countries/ nations. Africa is a Continent and the Gulf is a big region with so many nation countries. Though America is generally taken to mean the USA. Afirca shows the ethnic origin and Gulf only shows the residence in the region. U should also note that these Gulf countries do not give citizenship to non ethnic gulfies; not even permanent residence like we know of it in advanced western countries. In the 'Gulf' one is forever an expatriate! At least this is what I know it is; unless a gulf goan can say otherwise. Nasci Caldeira Melbourne . Of course people like Jose Colaco would be problematic. Bahamian-Portuguese-Indian? I think yes. Current permanent residence must take priority over actual citizenship. If we went purely by citizenship there would be no Gulf-Goans! To my mind this simple syntax would solve the problem but there is obviously more to it? Because by my rule a 'black' man in the USA would be an American-African and yet the term used is African-American. Cecil da Pedantic
Re: [Goanet]RE: Five thoughts for double-digit inclusive growth -
There was an article in yesterday's Herald Sun newspaper (a major daily in the state of Victoria, Australia), relating to India's bureaucratic mess. (India's red tape survives reform - Herald Sun, 30-05-2005: SHOULD Indian civil servants use red ink or green? That question is enough to hold up government decisions for a year in Asia's fourth-largest economy. Former disinvestment minister Arun Shourie recounts the story in his book ). IMHO, India's bureaucracy will perpetuate as long as there is a need to make a quick buck on the side, and as long as there are people who will love to be a small part of a large chain. And as long as there is bureaucracy, as long as there is a need for five people to do one person's job, India will never make it to the two-digit growth. At this moment in time, India is lucky with getting most out-sourcing jobs from the western world because of its Engkish-speaking population, which has figured mightily in raising India's profile; but China will soon catch up in spite of its non-English-speaking population, and beat India to it. The main reason is the bureaucracy inherited from the British Raj, which India has expanded to the huge juggernaut it has become. P.S. The article in the paper was about rules because annotations in a file were in red and green ink, never mind what the annotations were about. The colour of the ink appears to have been more of a problem that took over a year to resolve than what the annotations were trying to convey! Cheers, Gabriel de Figueiredo. Melbourne - Australia. Can India achieve double-digit growth? Yes, we most certainly can. [Goanet/Carlos, May 20] Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com
RE: [Goanet]Semantics of migration - Jorge
Nasci responds! From: Cecil Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet]Semantics of migration - Jorge Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 22:18:55 -0400 Nasci Caldeira has made an attempt: I would think that: one's citizenship, acquired or birth right, is and should be, the criteria for this. A Canadian Goan would mean, that the person is a Canadian citizen and happens to come from Goa India, the previous nationality. Similarly, a Goan Canadian would mean that he is a Goan Indian, or of Indian origin but residing in Canada; aiming or not for Canadian citizenship. - I don't quite agree with Nasci. So Canadian-Goan would describe a person who is Goan by ethnic origin but is now permanently settled in Canada. A Goan-Canadian on the other hand would mean a person of Canadian ethnic origin who is now settled in Goa. There are no Goan-Canadians to the best of my knowledge. Not yet at least. --- Nasci's views and logic: How can a Goan be of Canadian 'ethnic' origin? That way, it means : a Goan Canadian is one who resides permanently or temporarily in Canada and is yet an Indian Citizen (Goan) I have given more importance to the first Nationality in the syntax because, when a person surrenders his initial citizenship for the one of his/hers adopted Country, one has to swear allegience of 'do or die' for the Country, more or less. Hence one becomes a full fledged Citizen whilst happenning to originate ethnically or ancestrally from one's earlier Country. Before Goa became part of the Indian Union, we Goans, in Bombay and other parts of India used to have an inconclusive debate about this; if a Goan is an Indian Goan or Goan Indian; because then Goans born in Goa had by birth right a Portuguese Citizenship. And living in India would have meant the person is a Goan Indian rather than an Indian Goan. And Goa and India did then exist as seperate entities! Of course this argument does not apply now; as it is a 'fait accompli' if anyone likes it or not, that all Goans are granted Indian citizenship; unless a Goa born person demands a Portuguese citizenship as one's birthright, like many have done and continue to do so. Then again, RKN's suggestion has merit; re adjective and noun; but! though a noun can have capital first letter, an adjective cannot have a capital first letter. So this looks a bit messy. Therefore I would venture that terms like African American / American African and Gulf Goans etc. is a different kettle of fish; precisely because Gulf and Africa are not countries/ nations. Africa is a Continent and the Gulf is a big region with so many nation countries. Though America is generally taken to mean the USA. Afirca shows the ethnic origin and Gulf only shows the residence in the region. U should also note that these Gulf countries do not give citizenship to non ethnic gulfies; not even permanent residence like we know of it in advanced western countries. In the 'Gulf' one is forever an expatriate! At least this is what I know it is; unless a gulf goan can say otherwise. Nasci Caldeira Melbourne . Of course people like Jose Colaco would be problematic. Bahamian-Portuguese-Indian? I think yes. Current permanent residence must take priority over actual citizenship. If we went purely by citizenship there would be no Gulf-Goans! To my mind this simple syntax would solve the problem but there is obviously more to it? Because by my rule a 'black' man in the USA would be an American-African and yet the term used is African-American. Cecil da Pedantic
RE: [Goanet]RE: Gaunkaries/Communidades
Jose, It is true that Communidades existed for over a thousand years, or whatever; But this is no reason why this system should not change! It smacks of 'Commune' living and also of 'feudalism'. Nobody likes feudalism and nobody lives in communes anymore; the world is now in the 21st century. Let individual property be private and let all 'commune' property be public either state or village public. Of course it will not be 'shared' but for public use and with a public purpose; and if so decided then it can be sold or whatever according to common wishes and not only of the Gaonkars. after all, all Gaonkars are not really resident anymore, the style/ system of living is no more! So the old 'Commune property' should be rightly declared like 'Evacuee' property, and become public. This is my humble opinion and modern thought input to this issue. We have to give up our old ways and modernise. These days, there are no Clans / Communes anymore; even families are disappearing under the impact of development and modern thinking. The Hindu unduvided family, has also disappeared by and large; I think its prevalent only for tax purposes; the tax office should outlaw this; certainly appears like a loophole for tax fraud.. From: jose colaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet]RE: Gaunkaries/Communidades Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 11:05:00 + In response to this : Why, in this modern age, should we have the haves and have nots, with only a few people belonging to to the communidades and getting johnos or dividends, because of some ancestral right ? We should have private property belonging to individuals and public property belonging to everyone. In my humble opinion communidade property should be considered to be public property for the good of all the citizens and not just the Gaunkars. Savio Rodrigues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Response: I totally disagree with the above statements. Our ancestors worked hard and maintained the communidades property for their decendents and not for every public person. If after the death of a person his private property belongs to his decendents why should the property of a group go to public. JC's reponse: Very well said Savio. The writer (to whom you responded) is probably unaware that the Goan Communidades existed for over a 1000 years. If one takes his position that the Haves and Have Nots must share all and I agree WHY not open the doors and windows of our Goa Houses to the have Nots? What?! Houses are private property? Really? and what about the Communidades ? jc
Re: [Goanet] Emails from Mario Goveia's address
Come down to Australia, guys, and you'll be first class citizens of this country downunder within two years; provided of course, you come in legitimately and don't try to jump the queue. You can rise to be the PM (as anyone can) with a little bit of luck and pluck. We have a 1st-gen. Chinese as the Lord Mayor of Melbourne for the second time running. So you've got a chance too. Cheers, Gabriel de Figueiredo. Melbourne - Australia. --- halur rasho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No idea what the quarrel is about, but as a THIRD CLASS AMERICAN (indian citizen) I have nothing against canadians first class or otherwise. Recently visited Canada and found the natives reasonably friendly and the women pretty.. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com
RE: [Goanet]Re: Goa's Forts ---- thanks to you all (check some photos)
I'm impressed Now that's a nice way to show appreciation!!! Good on you Joe... All the best... -Original Message- From: JoeGoaUk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 31 May 2005 12:14 To: goanet@goanet.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet]Re: Goa's Forts thanks to you all (check some photos) Thank you Jorge, Alfred, George, Constantino, Allwyn, Ana Maria, Brendan Wellington for your feedback. Thanks again. I am now gathering all info so that I can fix one day or two to visit them all. (if any one interested to join us pl let me know, we can hire a Qualis (up to 11 seaters) I will pay half the transport cost. One Tourist Map was showing (Taluka Wise): Pernem: Tiracol, Alorna Fort Bardez: Chapora, Corjuem, Aguada, Reis Magos. Tiswadi: n/a Bicholim: n/a Mormugao: n/a Ponda: n/a (but there is one Shivaji Fort? near Farmaguddi? Satari: Nanus Fort Salcette: Chandorgoa Canacona:CApe de Rama Sanguem: Rivoria fort (Rivona?) Quepem: n/a Besides, there are.. At Betul ? Tivim ? Mormugoa? (I wish I could understand Portuguese from the Supergoa.com site) Rachol Old Goa? Banastarim? Chimbel ? kadamba pleateau? Sanquelim? I am all confused. Some one please help giving a brief description on location (how to get there etc) Info/help may not be required for the foll forts: Tiracol Aguada Sinquerim Anjediva Reis Magos Chapora Recently, we also visited Malwan fort (just outside Goa),upon reading a news item in Herald, it was a massive fort. The whole island is fort with people living on the island. It takes about 20minutes to get there by boat from Malwan beach. Inside the fort, there are temples (shivaji frequently visited there, he even helped in the constructions (fort/temples), there are houses, caves etc Check this beautiful photos http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/joegoauk/album?.dir=/c08a.src=ph any problem, let me know so that i can re-send the photos. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Goanet]RE: Gaunkaries/Communidades
In response to this : Why, in this modern age, should we have the haves and have nots, with only a few people belonging to to the communidades and getting johnos or dividends, because of some ancestral right ? We should have private property belonging to individuals and public property belonging to everyone. In my humble opinion communidade property should be considered to be public property for the good of all the citizens and not just the Gaunkars. Savio Rodrigues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Response: I totally disagree with the above statements. Our ancestors worked hard and maintained the communidades property for their decendents and not for every public person. If after the death of a person his private property belongs to his decendents why should the property of a group go to public. JC's reponse: Very well said Savio. The writer (to whom you responded) is probably unaware that the Goan Communidades existed for over a 1000 years. He is also (perhaps) unaware that the Goan Communidades were dealt a heavy blow by Gen Candeth (Please read Claude Alvares et al in Rice Curry) If one takes his position that the Haves and Have Nots must share all and I agree WHY not open the doors and windows of our Goa Houses to the have Nots? What?! Houses are private property? Really? and what about the Communidades ? jc http://www.colaco.net JC is a member of whatever is left (after the thiefing) of the Communidade of Carambolim _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
[Goanet]RE: Semantics of migration
(Cecil wrote: To my mind this simple syntax would solve the problem but there is obviously more to it? Because by my rule a 'black' man in the USA would be an American-African and yet the term used is African-American.) Yes, Cecil! There's a little more to it. The thumb rule for such cases is that the first word is taken as adjective while the second word is the noun. Independently, both 'African' and 'American' can be either noun or adjective. So when you say 'African-American' the word 'African' is the adjective. It qualifes 'American' (of African origin). It's almost like saying 'patriotic Indian' or 'proud Portuguese'. When there are more than two such words, the last word is the noun while the preceding words are qualifiers. So I agree with Nasci that when you say Goan-Canandian, it means a Canadian citizen of Goan origin. So methinks Bosco was right in describing himself as a Goan-Canadian. Cheers, RKN _ Send nudges, winks n more. http://messenger.msn.co.in The all new MSN Messenger!
[Goanet]RE: [Bosco] who controls Goa?
From: Bosco D'Mello [EMAIL PROTECTED] BD'M1: As the State of Goa celebrates it's 18th Statehood Day today, are we still assuming that Delhi controls our fate?? JC1: No assumption made. == BD'M2: Is it not the local populace that elects the politicians that make/break our laws to assemble wads of moolah. Almost everybody despises them (at least privately). JC2: True ...populace elects the politicians WHO have been selected (except for Independents) by Delhi. Hey! didin't the people of Saddam's Iraq also vote all these years? == BD'M3: Never mind the Freedom Fighters, what about the loss of life and limb in 1986?? JC3: For the time being I will not mind the Freedom Fighters (not even the BOGUS ones who were inducted last year) what about 1986 again ? and WHY did Goans have to lose life and Limb then? == BD'M4: On my recent visit to Goa I didn't meet any family or friends that were driven to despair when talking about their own lives except when they spoke of politicians of all hues, from the panchayat to the Ministers of the state. JC4: the point being? Do you not know WHY ? == BD'M5: By constantly ridiculing Goa are we also ridiculing our own people ?? JC5: Goa is beautiful. Nobody (I know) is ridiculing Goa. It is the state of affairs imposed by Delhi which is being criticised. These gangster Alibabas may be your people - not mine. my people are like Floriano Lobo, Arvind Bhatikar, Francisco Colaco et al == BD'M6:* Light the CANDLES - to Dispel the Darkness * JC6: Please Light the candles ...especially when the current goes off every flipping day in this Hi-Tech No 1 (in Thiefing) State jc _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
[Goanet]Fr. AGNELO (not neccesarily means Pilar )
For most of us, Fr. Agnelo means Pilar. Did you know that Fr. Agnelo was died at Rachol Seminary Chapel whilst saying mass? Did you know Fr.Agnelo was first buried there (at Raitura Cemetery)? I think he remained buried there for about 11 years. His mortal remains were then shifted to Pilar. Once can still see Fr. Agnelo's Tomb (not maintained at all, perhaps, forgotten by the church ?) See photo. The 'Sakristao' from Raitura church was kind enough to walk with us (about 10 minutes) up to the cemetery as its gate always remains closed/locked. We saw him running first (before us) only to clear up the mess on top of the tomb. It was full of dust and dry leaves etc. We saw him wiping the tomb with a cloth. (Even my mother's tomb was well maintained for up to 3 and a half years before some else was buried there) Many people from all over Goa go to Raitura Church every month (on last friday of the month i think) but it seems no one Visits Fr. Agnelo's Cemetery/Tomb (is it because they are not aware of it?) At Rachol Seminary, one can also see Fr.Agnelo's room where he stayed. See photo (his bed is also seen) http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/joegoauk/album?.dir=/47f2.src=ph any problem viewing the photos, pl let me know. [EMAIL PROTECTED] for NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For info on Konkani VCDs (Films, Tiatr, Comedies and films on GOA...) http://konkani-vcd.swiki.net/1 ___ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Set up Island Task Force says St. Estevam Consumer Forum
- Documented by Goa Desc Resource Centre Ph:2252660 Website: www.goadesc.org Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Press Clippings on the web: http://www.goadesc.org/mem/ --- Set up Island Task Force says St. Estevam Consumer Forum The St. Estevam Civic and Consumer Forum is a voluntary organisation working for the promotion and protection of Civic and Consumer rights of the villagers. The forum during its recent interaction with the villagers in view of the bye-election, found themselves overwhelmed with a flood of issues and expectations from the people. These issues are now compiled in the Voter Manifesto which needs to be addressed by the prospective people's representative as given below: 1. INFRASTRUCTURE: WATER, ROADS BRIDGES The present water supply position in the village is woefully inadequate. The supply schedule barely meets the demands except for a few areas while the major chunk gets little or no water at all. There is no reservoir or overhead tank facilities in the village which could help provide 24 hours water supply. The main roads of the village are used by the public transport system and other services. The roads are narrow, uneven / potholed and at many places worn out. There is no proper maintenance particularly the road shoulder which results in further damage and deterioration with every monsoon. The immediate need is to broaden the roads wherever possible and hot mix them. The island is connected to the main land by a bridge at Tonca. The condition of this bridge is very bad, and added to the fact that there has been no maintenance work done ever since it was thrown open to the public some 25 years back. The top tar layer of the bridge has been completely washed out over the years exposing the concrete slab. The rain water accumulating on the bridge slowly percolates into the slab and the superstructure thereby causing irreversible damage. The people of the village are now fully conscious of their needs and demand a new bridge at Tolto/Daugim. This bridge will be a boon to the islanders since it will cut short the distance to the Capital City Panjim by 10kms (both ways). 2. IMPROVED TRANSPORTATION The public transport system which is currently managed by the private operators does not meet the public's expectations. It is strongly felt that with the introduction of KTC buses (Cupa Panjim) will bring about the desired change. 3. IMPROVED ELECTRICITY The electrical infrastructure in the village needs to be further improved. The present supply position though improved considerably, it suffers from constant power failures. There is a need to look into the tripping and resetting systems. Only a section of a village receives 3-phase supply. This has to be made available now to all consumers. 4. UNEMPLOYMENT There is an alarming number of unemployed youth in the village with no scope for gainful employment. Self employment is also out of the question in the absence of government help. There is a need to provide unemployed youth with some incentives through schemes and subsidies which could help improve the situation to some extent. 5. MLA INTERACTION The villagers strongly feel that their representative (MLA) should interact with them at least on a quarterly basis in order to hear their views on developments and other issues. 6. VILLAGE MARKET The village market is currently in a pathetic state with its surroundings polluted with sewage waste, water logging etc. A concrete effort is required to improve the condition of this market and provide necessary infrastructure by way of water, electricity and other amenities. 7. AGRICULTURE The agricultural activity in the village has almost come to a stand still. This is because of increased cost of labour and scarce resources rendering it unviable. The need of the hour is to look into the matter closely and create a kind of a mechanism whereby a prospective agriculturist is provided some kind of an incentive and protection against damage to crops / crop failure etc. There is also a need to look into the aspect of protecting bundhs, prevention of damage deliberate or accidental. A special fund should be created to provide for repairs to bundhs, prevent ingression of saline water in the wells. 8. FERRY SERVICE The ferry service between Tonca and Sarmanas (Bicholim Taluka) needs to be improved further. The main handicap for improvement if of course the river itself which at some point being shallow hampers the movement of the vessel at low tides. This particular stretch requires dredging which should be done as early as possible not only in the overall interest of the traveling public but also to contain flooding of the low lying areas during the
[Goanet]SEZ, CRZ, TOURISM ... AND AVIATION?
Goa should set up Special Economic Zone (SEZ) says Chidambaram [GOACAN, May 31] 1. How would this SEZ plan jell with the stiff CRZ regulations? 2. Would an SEZ for the whole of Goa be feasible and if so would it approximate city-state treatment for Goa? The Union Finance Minister further appealed to the Goan tourism industry to sharply increase the number of people who visit Goa and continue this effort throughout the year, adding that peak period and lean period are the mind-sets which must be shed. The central and the state government can make Goa a hot spot on the tourism map, he opined. 1. What about the daily/weekly unevenness at the airport itself due to archaic Navy restrictions on civilian flights? Is the FM willing to approach the Defence Minister to get the military to lift onerous restrictions at Indian air bases for the sake of low cost air travel which stimulates tourism? 2. What are the prospects for the Goa government eliminating sales tax on ATF and getting an offset from the centre if necessary?
[Goanet]Re: Goa's Forts ---- thanks to you all (check some photos)
Thank you Jorge, Alfred, George, Constantino, Allwyn, Ana Maria, Brendan Wellington for your feedback. Thanks again. I am now gathering all info so that I can fix one day or two to visit them all. (if any one interested to join us pl let me know, we can hire a Qualis (up to 11 seaters) I will pay half the transport cost. One Tourist Map was showing (Taluka Wise): Pernem: Tiracol, Alorna Fort Bardez: Chapora, Corjuem, Aguada, Reis Magos. Tiswadi: n/a Bicholim: n/a Mormugao: n/a Ponda: n/a (but there is one Shivaji Fort? near Farmaguddi? Satari: Nanus Fort Salcette: Chandorgoa Canacona:CApe de Rama Sanguem: Rivoria fort (Rivona?) Quepem: n/a Besides, there are.. At Betul ? Tivim ? Mormugoa? (I wish I could understand Portuguese from the Supergoa.com site) Rachol Old Goa? Banastarim? Chimbel ? kadamba pleateau? Sanquelim? I am all confused. Some one please help giving a brief description on location (how to get there etc) Info/help may not be required for the foll forts: Tiracol Aguada Sinquerim Anjediva Reis Magos Chapora Recently, we also visited Malwan fort (just outside Goa),upon reading a news item in Herald, it was a massive fort. The whole island is fort with people living on the island. It takes about 20minutes to get there by boat from Malwan beach. Inside the fort, there are temples (shivaji frequently visited there, he even helped in the constructions (fort/temples), there are houses, caves etc Check this beautiful photos http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/joegoauk/album?.dir=/c08a.src=ph any problem, let me know so that i can re-send the photos. [EMAIL PROTECTED] for NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For info on Konkani VCDs (Films, Tiatr, Comedies and films on GOA...) http://konkani-vcd.swiki.net/1 ___ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Re: Male nuns? [Subsequently changed to other subject-lines, including 'Goanet Rules Benevolent Dictatorships']
First Bosco and now Miguel speaking on behalf of Fred. I wonder why? If Fred is 'on the move' and too busy to defend his statements on 'benevolent dictatorship' and a 'vision' for GoaNet, he can at least say so and I will keep silent till he is no longer 'moving' and is able to speak for himself. Cecil, Please respect my silence on this issue; I *am* trying to ignore you. I have neither the time nor the inclination to get dragged into controversy for controversy sake; in the past too, I've got caught up with such issues as far as you are concerned, including in the famous 'Goa Today' case. What I said is on record, and I stand by what I've said. You are going out of your way to misconstrue my words and intentions, and then expect me to respond to all kinds of debate. Sorry, won't oblige. Apart from repeating what I said, which is as below: http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2005-April/027432.html Cecil Pinto wrote: Should the selection of GoaNet Moderators and Administrators be by popular opinion or by Founders and current rulers? My personal view is that Net-based ventures are best run as benevolent dictatorships. With people getting peer-acceptance on the basis of the work they put in. Too much of politics ruins the possiblities. For instance, if Cybermatrimonials seems to playing a socially-useful role, then I see no reason for an election to be held to decide how to run it democratically. Along the way I would surely get tired of it, and would love to hand it over to someone else -- but provided that someone shares the vision it was set up with, and is going to run it as well, if not better. Finding volunteers is never an easy task. Fighting elections and squabbling over posts is a game anyone can indulge in. This is the way many volunteer-driven Free Software projects are run too. Often, they get handed over from one team or person to another. Linus Torvalds is the benevolent dictator when it comes to maintaining the kernel. Richard Stallman remains the founder and chairman of the Free Software Foundation. There's no democracy in an electoral sense here. If arrogance creeps in, it would have to be beaten back with competition. Volunteers are always welcome; after all, we're not fighting over an empire here but rather working to build the difficult-to-create social capital. FN .. Frederick (FN) Noronha | Freelance Journalist | Mobile +91 9822 122436 Tel +91.832.2409490| http://fn.swiki.net | http://www.bytesforall.net ..
[Goanet]News: It's Official - Kannada Script for Konkani in Schools
News -- Mangalore: It's Official - Kannada Script to be Used for Konkani in Schools The Hindu, Mangalore Mangalore, May 31, 2005: The general body of the Karnataka Konkani Sahitya Academy, which met here on Monday, decided to adopt the Kannada script for Konkani taught as an optional language from the sixth standard onwards. It has left the choice of dialect to linguists, according to the consensus arrived at after the academy contacted a number of people for their opinion. The move to decide on the script and dialect for Konkani textbooks gained momentum after Eric Ozario took over as chairman of the academy. In all, 121 representatives, including one representative each from Konkani associations, institutions and Konkani newspapers, all past and present members of the academy as well as winners of awards instituted by it were sounded out for their opinion on the issue. A meeting of these 121 representatives was convened here on May 15. In order to make the process more broad-based, the academy sent out mailers to those who did not attend the May 15 meeting to seek their opinion. Sixty-seven people responded. Of these, 44 opted for the Kannada script, 19 for the Devanagari script, two for the Roman script and two were not clear about their choice. This view on the script was ratified at the general body meeting here, Ozario told presspersons later. Noting that 65.67 percent of the respondents had opted for the Kannada script, he said only 28.36 percent had opted for the Devanagari script, 2.98 percent for the Roman script and 2.98 per cent were undecided. Stating that the choice of dialect to be used in preparing textbook has been left to linguists, he said a 20-member committee has been set up for the purpose, and it will meet on June 11. A seven-member expert committee will be set up on the directions of Department of State Educational Research and Training after the June 11 meeting to prepare the textbooks. The first meeting of the textbook committee will be held in Bangalore on June 16, he said. - Forwarded by http://www.goa-world.com Random Thought: Television is an invention that permits you to be entertained in your living room by people you wouldn't have in your home. David Frost
Re: [Goanet]Historian deSouza on the Goa Inquisition
TR denies the story. But as a historian and if the story is fabricated should he not contra write? Where are we heading? B. Colaco = --- Sachin Phadte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I received this from an email friend of mine. I think the information provided here is highly exaggerated. Can anyone enlighten me on the subject? And who exactly is Dr TR de Souza? Is he another historian with a Christian name but in the payroll of the now defunct Parikkar government? Sachin Phadte ___ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Hindunet permits violations of its Guidelines with impunity?
Dear Santoshbab Thank you for your mini-investigation and the link to Hindunet. I checked the link and as I had mentioned in my posting to Goanet two paras (not three) from my published text have been doctored and the rest is pure fabrication to suit Hindu fundamentalist interests with words that have never been used by me anywhere any time, and with misspellings of several names of persons and places. It is not shown within quotes, but appended directly, so as to give an impression that it is all from the same author. Those interested could check this in the book edited by M.D. David mentioned by you below. I shall bring this abuse to the notice of the Hindunet administration. I presume that Internet has this wonderful capacity of taking the uncritical readers for a ride! But it also permits quick cross-checking and timely warnings! That was more difficult when someone wrote / printed something somewhere and was not easily available for checking and timely correction. Teotonio From: Santosh Helekar Date: 05/31/05 05:11:00 To: goanet@goanet.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet]Historian on Goa Inquisition or a Novel form of misusing Goanet? --- Teotonio R. de Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the information quoted by you is attributed to me, I can only say that it is a malicious fabrication of someone. Teotoniobab/Sachin, This garbage has been strewn all over the net by various Hindu fundamentalist websites. For example: http://www.hindunet.com/forum/showflat php?Cat=Board=christianityNumber=53911page=0view=collapsedsb=5o=fpart= One such copy lists the original source for this as: Western Colonialism in Asia and Christianity - edited by M. D. David Bombay 1988. p. 18-19 I have noticed that instances of blatant fabrication, plagiarism and doctoring of other people's writings have greatly increased on Goanet lately. These things have happened in the past as well. People should be constantly on the guard for such transgressions. There is no easy way to discourage the careless and the unscrupulous from engaging in these things. Cheers, Santosh
[Goanet]THE NEW AVIATION MANTRA
http://www.business-standard.com/strategist/storypage.php?hpFlag=Ychklogin= Nautono=190197leftnm=lmnu7leftindx=7lselect=0 Plane sailing? Meenakshi Radhakrishnan-Swami / New Delhi May 31, 2005 How are Indian low-cost carriers keeping their costs low? Use it or lose it Quicker turn time is critical for LCCs' cost structures - turn times of under 20 minutes can help an aircraft reduce its costs by 10 per cent. The sooner an aircraft flies back after a landing, the more it can be put to use, and considering the plane is an airline's most expensive asset, it needs to use it as much as possible. --- In Goa's case this esp applies to flights originating elsewhere. Is the Navy listening?
[Goanet]Goa should set up Special Economic Zone (SEZ) says Chidambaram
- Documented by Goa Desc Resource Centre Ph:2252660 Website: www.goadesc.org Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Press Clippings on the web: http://www.goadesc.org/mem/ --- - Goa should start work on setting up SEZ: Chidambaram - The Union Finance Minister, Mr P Chidambaram said that the popular government which will come to power in the state, next month should initiate setting up of country's first major special economic zone (SEZ) that would address many key issues faced by the Goan industrial sector, such as taxation, tax exemption and various concessions. Mr Chidambaram delivering a speech during a special function organised in the city, by the Goa Chamber of Commerce and Industry, today also hinted that provision of special tax holidays and concessions in income tax as well as excise duty for the industrial sector, in selective states, would be gradually discontinued. Acknowledging that some mistakes had been committed by the past governments such as doling out area-based concessions, for short-term political considerations, Mr Chidambaram said that these facilities had resulted only in trade diversions taking place, in the long run. The SEZ will be an enclave where the foreign investments would come in for product manufacturing and service generation, aimed at markets abroad, while the domestic markets are being served, the Union Finance Minister predicted, adding that human resource in the form of young men and women from Goa - a state whose literacy rate stands at staggering 82 per cent, should be galvanised during the establishment of the zone. He also revealed that the Congress government had envisaged the special economic zone status for Goa in 1995 and lamented that the idea was not followed by the successive governments. In reaction to a presentation earlier made by the GCCI president, Mr Nitin Kuncolienkar, requesting the Centre for various concessions, Mr Chidambaram said that Goa should not display a tag of backwardness as the state has registered a high growth rate over last few years, especially in the tourism sector, and said that with the special advantages that the Goan industry enjoys, it would continue to grow. You need to work out a model for economic growth, unique to Goa, which would maximise advantages that the state enjoys, he advised. Mr Chidambaram also said that he is aware about the lack of job opportunities in the state for highly educated Goans and suggested that economic activities that would generate jobs for these youth must be undertaken. Tourism is a clear growth area and the current budget has a provision for inter-institutional groups that would supply funds to different sectors and identify tourism as one of these sectors, he informed. The Union Finance Minister further appealed to the Goan tourism industry to sharply increase the number of people who visit Goa and continue this effort throughout the year, adding that peak period and lean period are the mind-sets which must be shed. The central and the state government can make Goa a hot spot on the tourism map, he opined. Speaking further, Mr Chidambaram said that Goa needs an outward looking industry, which would function like its existing mining and the shipping industries. Mr P Chidambaram said that the Value Added Tax system is the modern form of taxation that has been chalked out by the state governments, and hence the problems arising out of it, if any, should be tackled by the respective governments. The Union Finance Minister also stated that the central government would soon implement its Rs 1.74 crore 'Bharat Nirman' programme which is a vision for improvement of the rural infrastructure of India. It is a 'business plan' which would be run in a professional way on a time-bound scale, he noted. Mr Chidambaram said that the United Progressive Alliance government has refined and re-tuned its policy instrument so that while emphasising on high growth, it also takes care of the needs of farmers, women, students and youth. The 8.5 per cent Gross Domestic Product (GDP) which the country witnessed is partly a statistical illusion because the UPA government inherited this very high growth rate on the back of a very low growth rate, he said, adding nevertheless the UPA government managed to deliver 6.9 per cent GDP at the end of its first year rule. Recalling that the end of controls, regulations and licence raj during the Congress regime, in early 1990, with Dr Manmohan Singh as the then finance minister, had been responsible for the arrival of an open economy in the country, Mr Chidambaram said that as a result, India became a stronger economy. The past 14 months saw the rate of growth of the industrial and
Re: [Goanet] Emails from Mario Goveia's address
No idea what the quarrel is about, but as a THIRD CLASS AMERICAN (indian citizen) I have nothing against canadians first class or otherwise. Recently visited Canada and found the natives reasonably friendly and the women pretty.. --- Mervyn Lobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dudes from [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you think US immigrants are second class citizens because we cannot run for US President, while Canadian immigrants are first class citizens while being called Pakis by their own in-laws, then so be it. dudes, The fact remains that you, because of your parents and place of birth, do not have the rights that other Americans have. That means you are a SECOND CLASS citizen. Secondly, you really must be having vile in-laws to reach the bitter and DISGUSTING contention you wrote above. Thirdly, you are extrapolating the experiences you are going thru and trying to project/assume that the rest of us are experiencing the same. I can assure you that some on us are really, really enjoying life. In all my years studying/teaching in US, not once did I come across anyone who was called Paki. Most first class Americans don't even know what the term is. I feel pity on you as it really must be frightful to experience what you must be receiving from YOUR in-laws (at this late stage in your life.) This reminds me of my psychiatrist friend who warns me that it is futile to feel sorry for his patients, most of whom feel sorry for the rest of us. I am glad you a taking treatment for your problems. The bad news is that your psychiatrist is NOT your friend. You have been giving him your money for the past thirty three years and he has not been able to help you. Look at the state you are in! The people you claim are your friends are those that you give money to i.e. your psychiatrist and Canadians. The rest of the people you know, including your in-laws, hurl insults at you. Since only YOU seem to have a problem figuring out who is sending emails from my address, you will have to either figure out your dilemma on your own, or be kept in a state of suspense of your own making. dudet, Reading what comes from your address is like reading several authors. You contradict yourself on every second email. Either the output from your address is from several authors or it the output of a person sinking into a multi-personality disorder. Mervyn3.0 BTW, my wife is Texan. My in-laws, like all other first class Americans, have absolutely no idea what a Paki means. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[Goanet]PUNCHING BAGS BENCHMARKS
Documented by Goa Desc Resource Centre Ph:2252660 Website: www.goadesc.org Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Press Clippings on the web: http://www.goadesc.org/mem/ Goa's ready with plan for world-class airport PRANAB DHAL SAMANTA IN 9 YEARS: Check-in under 3 minutes, immigration in one, runway for A-380 [GOACAN, May 30] This report sourced from the INDIAN EXPRESS may be a first rate punching bag for observers of the aviation scene in Goa! Almost every sentence can be trashed vigorously. The omission of the military status of Dabolim is probably the biggest blemish. And to think that it is based on a report by the International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO) of Montreal Canada! How did they ever come to such a sorry pass? Originally I was planning to issue a correction of the subject line of a previous post viz CAN GOA (REPEAT GOA) SHAPE MOPA ECONOMICS? It struck me after seeing a TV report about land scams that the right question would be CAN GOA SHAPE MOPA ECONOMICS -- FOR THE BETTER? This is because in the natural course of things, Goa (like most other Indian states) WILL undoubtedly shape the airport economics --FOR THE WORSE! Somehow we have to reverse this tendency for which maybe one solitary benchmark may be available. But more of this later. In a nut shell, the way airport economics apparently gets corrupted literally and figuratively is by the private investor asking for large parcels of land well beyond operational needs. The state government arranges for clearance of settlers usually at a pittance and then puts up the entire block as its share of the equity. The private investor then re-sells excess property usually for non-aeronautical purposes at high profit and cross subsidises the actual airport operation to make his money. The GOACAN post neatly sets up the basis for acquistion of gigantic parcels of land -- i.e. for a futuristic A380 airport! The fact that Goa has not had experience with a purely civilian airport (esp post liberation thanks to the Navy dropping anchor at Dabolim) is not considered a handicap in thinking big! Of course the time line is kept conveniently long so anything can happen in the interim. Usually people start with plans for tight schedules which then inevitably get stretched due to delays. So if we start with 9 years of phase I then the actual may turn out to be 15 or even 20 years! To cut a long story short I would seriously suggest that we keep in mind the successful history of Cochin International Airport (CIAL) as a useful benchmark for the planning of Mopa.
[Goanet]cricket and tendulkar's star
The International Cricket Council did a ground breaking ceremony to construct a building in dubai. They are going to be located in the Dubai Sports City, which is one of the many cities coming up here. Abdul Rahman Bukhatir, the man behind cricket in the gulf, said, This is a historic event. we certainly have come a long way in cricket in theis part of the world. This is a very proud day in that we've been able to bring this level of seriousness to the whole matter. Ehsan Mani said that the dubai ceremony represent a fantastic new chapter in the history of the ICC and the game of cricket. The office will open in media city (where i work) on Aug. 1. Chef executive Malcolm Speed that it's very exciting. we're coming to a new culturee. It's not just relocation. we also share the vision of what is going on in dubai. dubai becomes the wrold headquaters for cricket. we're confident other sports will come here too'. speed said that an annual meeting of delegates at Lord's would continute to be held there to maintain tradition. Bukhtair is partner in Sports City. eugene Tendulkar's star http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/4589949.stm __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/
[Goanet]Goanet Rules Benevolent Dictatorships
Miguel Braganza wrote: Fred is currently on the move..and perhaps in no mood to engage in your eternal discussion on the subject. Cecil: First Bosco and now Miguel speaking on behalf of Fred. I wonder why? If Fred is 'on the move' and too busy to defend his statements on 'benevolent dictatorship' and a 'vision' for GoaNet, he can at least say so and I will keep silent till he is no longer 'moving' and is able to speak for himself. Miguel: Benevolent dictatorships is what Fred beleives is a successful model for operation, to find a way forward amidst the crabs and snails. It does not always work. Cecil: Well if GoaNet subscribers are going to be guinea pigs for Fred's experiments and 'visions' the least he can do is come out clearly and state so. - Miguel: For the rest, discuss with Fred directly. I think it may be better for the two of you to agree to differ. Cecil: Fred made his statements in a 'public' posting here on GoaNet. It is but natural that I question his statements here rather than in private. Since Fred has chosen not to answer my questions in public or in private (as is often done) it makes the statements even more suspect. -- Miguel: Your choice. I am no dictator, benevolent or malevolent. I am a democrat...as long as everyone agrees with me , or agrees that he is wrong! Cecil: I will remain the person who will question anything that does not sound right. Some are born leaders, some become dictators, some have benevolence thrust upon them. Some, like me, will remain curmudgeons who make others uncomfortable by asking questions. Such is life. Cheers! ===
