[Goanet]Goanet News Bytes * June 2, 2005 * Poll day today, life goes on...
[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] G o a n e t - N e w s B y t e s JUNE 2, 2005 DATELINE: GOA / d8 Founded in 1994 e88~88e e88~-_/~~~8e 888-~88e e88~~8e _d88__ by Herman 888 888 d888 i 88b 888 888 d888 88b 888 Carneiro "88_88" | e88~-888 888 888 __888 888 --- / Y888 ' C888 888 888 888 Y888, 888 http://www.goanet.org Cb "88_-~ "88_-888 888 888 "88___/ "88_/ We're on your side! b Y8""8D http://www.goanet.org * http://www.goanet.org [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] IN TODAY'S EZINE: It's election day today in Goa, and politicians are cursing each other through the paid advertisement in local newspapers. But besides this political game, life goes on as normal. The most fascinating story is one about an unusual computer training centre in Santa Cruz. Read on! o By-elections today amidst tight security. (NT) o 116,000 voters eligible to cast votes in decisive battle. (H) o Congress, BJP blow their own trumpets. Congress wave will sweep polls, says Ravi Naik. We will win four seats, says Parrikar.(H) o Governor Jamir urges electorate to exercise franchise. (NT) o Voters will shun defectors, says Parrikar. (NT) o Congress-NCP will sweep by-polls, says Ravi. (NT) o Governor Jamir denies pressurising police in forgery case. (NT) o 11 candidates get notices for spending 'too little', going by their official explanations of what they've spent. (H) o What happened at Mala was nationalism, not vandalism, says BJP leader Arlekar. (GT) o Advantage Congress, but not yet game, set and match. (GT) o Common Entrance Test GCET2005 results declared. (H) SOME POLITICAL ADVERTISEMENTS IN TODAY'S NEWSPAPERS: o Those who can forge Filipe Neri's signature to win a vote of confidence can do anything to grab power! Defeat BJP. BJP has no moral right to seek your vote. They are only capable of chicanery, frauds and deception. Teach them a lesson today. Defeat BJP. Lok Shakti. For the sake of Goa. o Today, you will decide the destiny of Goa! Vote to bring back the *only government* that has performed and delivered. Vote to bring back the Parrikar Government. Vote BJP, your only choice for stability, governance and progress. o Save the Benaulim constituency from the Ayarams and Gayarams. Elect Monte D'Cruz to safeguard the prestige of Benaulim constituency voters. Don tarker don panam (Two leaves on 2 June). o When you vote today, remember Mickky The man who put words into deeds, and an end to communal forces ousting (the) Parrikar regime. The man who protested against (the) cancellation of Good Friday and Feast of St Francis Xavier as public holidays, forcing Parrikar to withdraw the communal notification. o It is reiterated that the ULP (United Legislature Party) still functions, and after the elections, a new government led by the Congress (and not any other party) shall be formed. The UGDP, which is part of the ULP, o In your heart of hearts -- Do you want a Chief Minister who indulges in forgery? Do you want a Chief Minister who instigates his Cabinet Ministers and other goons to attach Hotel Mandarin, (a) masjid and churches? Do you want a Chief Minister who calls the entire judiciary corrupt and was forced to tender an unqualified apology? Do you want a Chief Minister who vandalises the holy and historic precincts of Mala and Fontainhas and uses (the) police to suppress the criminal cases? Do you want a Chief Minister who injects the virus of communalism by creating the VCD that gives distorted views of the events and history and induces hatred towards the minority community? Do you want a Chief Minister who indulges in large-scale corruption under the garb of (an) International Film Festival and leave(s) the rest of Goa thirsty for water and languishing in darkness without electricity? Your answer in positively no. Vote Congress for secular and stable government. - DEATHS & OBITUARIES - COACH JOANNES IS NO MORE: Alberto Joannes, one of Goa's most-respected physical trainer, died unexpectedly at his Margao residence, early Wednesday. Joannes, former coach of the Fransa-Pax Football Club, was 74 and is survived by wife Maria and three children. Born in 1931 in Goa, Joannes was in Kenya fr
[Goanet]Battle of nerves for BJP & Congress to form government
Battle of nerves for BJP & Congress to form government By Mayuresh Pawar, Panaji, June 1, 2005: Political parties are claiming their victories in the bye-elections for the five assembly constituencies, but it seems to be a 'battle of nerves' for the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) and the Congress to form the government. Normally, the bye-elections are taken so seriously. But this time, the situation is completely different from the normal ones. Political bigwigs from both, the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) and the Congress marked their presence for the electioneering campaigns. The BJP on other hand has been beating the drums of victory in all the five seats, today claimed that they would win only four segments and the Benaulim constituency would go for the United Goans Democratic Party (UGDP). In this regard, Digital Goa interacted with the BJP stalwarts--former chief minister Manohar Parrikar and BJP president Rajendra Arlekar--who stated that their 'lotus' cannot bloom in the Benaulim seat. "After conducting extensive campaign in all the five assembly segments, we realized that the BJP will win only four seats," the confident Arlekar. According to BJP sources, the UGDP will tie-up with the BJP and form the government under the leadership of Manohar Parrikar. "It's the matter of formation of the government and we are confident that my government will be in power," former chief minister Manohar Parrikar said adding, "People want to see our government in power." Congress spokesman, Jitendra Deshprabhu said, "The BJP has 'looted and scooted' the people of Goa in the name of development, you tell me why the people should franchise their precious votes for the BJP." He further said that the Congress will provide the stability in the State henceforth. "We will expose the BJP, who swindle the government treasury and the people's money." It looks a joke when the Congress speaks about bringing stability to the Goan Democracy. There are already five contenders from the Congress camp--Babush Monserrate, Isidore Fernandes, Dayanand Narvekar, Luizinho Faleiro, Pratapsingh Rane--who wish to become the chief minister of Goa. However, Deshprabhu maintained that the High Command will take the appropriate decision to choose the leader. He certainly made it clear that the Rane is not there leader. When asked about his interest to be the chief minister, Deshprabhu keeping silence for a while said, "I can't think of that. There are senior leaders in the party and one of them will be chosen as our leader." Congress leader Shantaram Naik was very optimistic to claim that the Congress would win all the seats. "Our government is ruling at the Centre and we are sure of getting back to the power in Goa as well," he said. Replying to a question, Naik disagreed to the reports of Churchill working against the Congress-NCP alliance. Five assembly segments--Taleigao, Cumbharjuem, Margao, Benaulim and Poinguinim--goes to the poll on June 2 and the results will be declared on June 5. And then, the number game will begin in search of a new government. - Forwarded by http://www.goa-world.com/ Team
[Goanet]Kissa Kursi Ka?
Goanet News Service <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: IN TODAY'S EZINE: It's election day today in Goa, and politicians are cursing each other through the paid advertisement in local newspapers. Congress, BJP blow their own trumpets. Congress wave will sweep polls, says Ravi Naik. We will win four seats, says Parrikar.(H) http://www.goa-world.com/goa/poems http://www.mail-archive.com/cgi-bin/htsearch?config=gulf-goans_yahoogroups_com&restrict=&exclude=&words=Lino+B.+Dourado __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Brisk polling reported in Goa
Brisk polling reported in Goa By: PTI June 2, 2005 Brisk polling reported in Goa Panaji: Brisk polling was reported today for the crucial by-polls to five assembly constituencies in Goa, amidst strict security measures. Long queues were noticed outside the polling booths at Talegaon, Cumbharajua, Margao, Benaulim and Poinguinim, despite mild rains in the morning. Election office sources said till 10.30 am, Poinguinim has recorded 18 per cent polling, followed by Margao (16.60), Talegaon (12.29), Benaulim (10.7) and Cumbharajua (4.74). No untoward incident was reported from anywhere and polling was peaceful, the police said. An estimated 1.16 lakh voters are expected to exercise their franchise to decide the fate of 22 candidates. http://www.mid-day.com/news/nation/2005/june/110692.htm Forwarded by Eddie Verdes
RE: [Goanet]RE: Gaunkaries/Communidades - final
Dear Jose, Just a brief exchange of information; I am also a morador, in the village of my birth, just acroos the river Sal. My ancestry is from, and Gaoncari from Chinchinim. However I have no strong links; I am not bothered to find out who receives the Zhon on my ancesters bahalf. Also, in my vilage where I lived until migration; I used to get together with all the village people, including Gaoncares, one of whom was and is my best man/family friend. In fact I used to hold BBQ parties (first in Goa) etc for a lot of persons, friends, relatives from Dona Paula, Panjim, Porvorim, Madgaon, Benaulim etc. My home used to resound with the sound of music and friendship partying! But all that does not condone the tribal divide. However, to my surprise, I realised that these friendships in the village specially, did not run very deep, and were camouflaged to hide the real inherent differentiation; not hate, of course. When I talk of apartheid in the Church; I am talking of the Kunbis and Gawdas and those in the fishing trades and other labour intensive village work, who are not gauncares. When I was last in Goa, in Nov-Jan 2005; I was pleasantly surprised to find some of the Kunbi children, who used to befriend my kids among others, are well educated and spoke fluent English; everytime I tired to practice my Konkanni, I was lured back to English by the sheer fluency on the part of the kunbi kid. this young woman has been to Finland and lived in their Finnish Home, but yet to live in a Goan Gauncaree or higher caste home. How heinous the caste system?? That is commendable progress, limited though it may be for this woman. Whither Goa and India?? But , the Church affairs are yet the same old system, and yet to change for democratic and equality norms.The Gauncares still celebrate the main feasts and still administer and control the affairs of the Church, without any recognition or input from other residents. The only notable change in 'pews' I noticed is that the pews are now put right in front and the benches behind; perhaps trying to lure the church elite to sit and reflect closer to the altar.. The real difference I noted is that the Morador people and the working class people , no longer look up to the so called elite in the villages. They take pride in their own and have worked themselves up, to compete successfully with the old elite to become the new elite, to a great extent. Viva progress! Viva the new Goa! Nasci Caldeira Melbourne From: "jose colaco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [Goanet]RE: Gaunkaries/Communidades - final Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 20:40:10 + Dear Nasci, However, I must have missed something. I have not yet seen the voting for the Panchayat elections divided on the basis of who is Gaumcar and who is not. I truly must have missed something! Also, at St Francisco Xavier Church in Velim, I have not seen any differential seating for Gaumcars v Moradors. As my good neighbour in Velim Mr. Ben Antao (a Gaumcar of Velim) will attest, neither he nor I knew who was the "Morador" and who the "gaumcar" till the age of the Internet. In Velim, we visit each other's houses and celebrate feasts together. And I don't believe we care much to vote for the Panchayat elections - as all the elections produce, is another layer of crooks. That is an Indian Gorr-mental gift to Goa. Now did you just say that the Communidade System was akin in its effect to the Caste System? Really? my friend, you have NO idea of what the Caste System has done! jc
[Goanet]Besides, 'Dol Mojea Bai..' what else you remember??
Come on all mothers, Grandmas, Dads, Grandpas, uncles, aunties etc etc Youngsters, you just consult your elders and you can join too. We all had some experience or the other dealing with the babies, speaking their language, singing traditional kids songs etc Be it 'Dhu-dhu' (Dhud=Milk), 'No-No' (Mono=Monster), Kemkem (kellem=Banana), Pipit piprimitt (=Sweet/toffee) etc etc or DOL MHOJEA BHAI, NIDH MHOJEA BHAI, PIPIT ATTOLO PAI.. What ever you recollect, just fire it away on Goanet. Here is some more from me... INTUN INTUN BOS RE MORA, PIPAM KARA, PIPAM SANDDUN MOR UDDLO GHARA OR if you can't recollect anything that relates to kids then fire away any thing like 60s or 70s memories. Here some more... Whenever the monsoon was delayed... We use to join a local procession carrying statue of Our Lady or St.Anthony, thus singing.. SHETAMTULE KANNGINNI, PAUS GHAL GHE SAIBINNI. SANT ANTON ANJE, PAUS GHAL SANJE [EMAIL PROTECTED] for NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For info on Konkani VCDs (Films, Tiatr, Comedies and films on GOA...) http://konkani-vcd.swiki.net/1 ___ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet]Caste in East Africa
Hi Tony, Many thanks for enlightining me, and others, about the Catholic Goan caste situation in Tanzania. You sure have more horror stories than I have over caste based interaction! When I have some time, I will send Goanet a post on my observation, with others, of the temporary 'dilution' of caste awareness/intensity, borne out of necessity, when large numbers of young Goans came to London, singly, in the 1960s, prior to many of their parents subsequently joining them. This relatively short period also preceded the establishment of Goa village-based associations in London. These I have never approved of because I felt that they had the seeds of caste within them which would germinate and take root in time. Regards, Cornel I am also aware that at the Goan Gymkhana,Nairobi, non-Brahmin males who were admitted after independence, were refused dances by Brahmin girls; whilst male brahmins never danced with female non-brahmins even though in some cases, they were classmates their entire school life.
RE: [Goanet]Gaonkar
Hey Afra! The para who are delving on is from me; not Jose Colaco. Therefore this response. I would accept that 'Gaoncar' is equivalent to citizenship of a village; in that case, why is the village citizenship a 'closed shop'. Why are the moradores who have assimilated in their adopted village life, not considerd as the new gauncares and have thensame rights etc as other older gauncares??? You in London are eligible for UK citizenship; aren't you; so why the discrimination in Goa? food for thought?? Nasci Caldeira Melbourne From: afra dias Subject: [Goanet]Gaonkar Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 22:10:22 -0400 "This is my humble opinion and modern thought input to this issue. We have to give up our old ways and modernise. These days, there are no Clans Communes anymore; even families are disappearing under the impact of development and modern thinking. The Hindu unduvided family, has also disappeared by and large; I think its prevalent only for tax purposes; the tax office should outlaw this; certainly appears like a loophole for tax fraud." Dear Goencars, What Jose Colaco is saying is absolute 'tosh'. Gaonkar in English means Citzenship - not of the country, but of the village s/he is born. What right has a foreigner like Jose Colaco got to come to our village and tell us what we should do with their ancestral property which our grandfathers acquired by working on the ships etc? If he wants to buy, he is welcome to do so.The British are doing it, but to tell me to change my way of citizenship of my place of birth. I think Jose Colaco is seriously wanting in some areas of his reasoning. Sincerely. Afra Dias. (london)
[Goanet]TIATR Schedule for June (12 Tiatr to choose from)... with 43 phtos
June, 2005. Tiatr Margao Panjim Others 1.Devan Ghoddlem Tem 1 by Pascoal Rod 2.Mojem MaKa dhi (Rosy Alv.) 13 Keri 3.Gorv (Roseferns)34 5 Mapusa, 12 Sanvordem 4.Vann (Jhon d silva) 66 5.Mog-Fulam/kantte (M.Menezs) 8 6.Sonsar sudorlo (M.Boyer,AK) 7 19 4 Arambol, 5 Mapsa 7.Argam Tuka Dhonia(TonyDias) 4 25 5 Sanvordem 8.Tem Ek Sopon (Dominc Carv.) 12 9.Mhojim Porbin Tuka (JackRod)9 10.Tukach Rautali (AM Pachec) 5 4 3 Vasco 11.Sogle Bhagivont(M.Fdes)20 19 18Mandrem,19Sanvodem,25Ponda,26Mapsa 12.Jivitacho Sangati (M Mario 5 Could name some the tiatrists in this album? Just send the names by quoting the photo no e.g. DCP... Prem Kumar, Remie Colaso, SAbina, Babli, Samir etc etc all there, try to indentify and name them. Now click the link below and then click on 'play slideshow' and enjoy. Pl. dont try to steal my photos... All the photos are Copy Right protected (with digitally superimposed dates etc) i.e. No two photos can be identical. http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/joegoauk/album?.dir=/723c try this (below) for direct slideshow http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/joegoauk/slideshow?.dir=/723c&.src=ph [EMAIL PROTECTED] for NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For info on Konkani VCDs (Films, Tiatr, Comedies and films on GOA...) http://konkani-vcd.swiki.net/1 ___ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Under our Skin
There once was an oyster, Who found that some sand, had gotten into his shell. It was only a grain, but it gave him great pain "No," he said to himself, "Since I cannot remove it, I'll lie in my shell, and think how to improve it." The years went by and he finally died. Now the small grain of sand that had bothered him so, Was a beautiful pearl This story has a moral.. Think... What could WE do, If we'd only begin, With some of the things that get under OUR skin. Cynthia _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
[Goanet]Santa Claus and white lies
Melinda Powell wrote: Where do we get a standard of good values from?"Good" is a subjective word,what is good and acceptable for one individual might not be acceptable to another.eg white lies are acceptable to you,they arent to me. Dear Melinda, At the outset let me thank you for responding to my queries. I had thought that there would be other parents, specially mothers, on this forum who would be interested in the topic of 'bringing up children'. Looks like they are happy to just lurk around and occasionally complain about the never ending debates on Bush, homosexuality, religion etc. but not be proactive in participating in a discussion that is more immediately relevant. Melinda, I agree with all that you have said in your e-mail and I guess for a person with a strong religious conviction it is far easier to be an ethical parent than for a 'doubting Thomas' like me. I would like though to examine the concept of telling 'white lies' to children. I have occasionally had to take recourse to such white lies and feel guilty about not having a better solution. The best example is Santa Claus. At least it is as far removed as one can get from the taboo topics of 'religion' and 'sex' on this forum. On the one hand I feel I should tell my sons that there is no real Santa Claus. On the other hand I don't want to take away from them that sense of anticipation, mystery and wonder which surrounds the arrival of the Christmas presents. And the related myths. So how do I get past this by telling a harmless white lie; that a Santa Claus does indeed exist at the North Pole and that he does have a Toy Workshop and Elves and Reindeers and... Some years from now when they find out the truth about Santa Claus will they resent the fact that I lied to them? Did I hold any resentment towards my parents when I found out the truth? None at all. Do we put too much pressure on ourselves as parents to be completely truthful when our children themselves wouldn't be less bothered about the ethics involved and just take it as a part of growing up? Cecil =
[Goanet]First Class Friends and Second Class Citizens
Mervyn Lobo wrote: I made an investment in the Cuban tourist industry that has given me HUGE returns. Since it really seems that you could use a holiday, I am willing to send you, and all those at your address, a two week, all inclusive, stay in a five star hotel in Cuba. If the American govt does not allow it's SECOND CLASS citizens to travel to Cuba, I will also arrange for you all to fly over to Canada and then proceed to Cuba. --- Dear Mervyn, Who was it that supported you despite knowing you fell on your head one late night after drinking too much and falling off an Enfield? Who was it that spurred you along in your progression from 2.0 to 3.0? It was me! Cecil Pinto. Friend and supporter of all rich and generous Goans worldwide. First Class Citizen of Goa, India. Why is it then that you offer this Mario (who is constantly insulting you) and his family, a five star holiday and air fare via Canada when a much more deserving family exists here in Miramar? This is what I get for all my support? To be brushed aside for a, in your own words, 'second class' citizen? I hereby withdraw all support and friendship and may your progression to 4.0 be without my mature guidance. Cecil P.S. You could though make amends with a 3 Star hotel stay in Kashmir and AC train fare via Dehli for me and my family. Offer open till 14th June only. After which the wonderful monsoons will start and I would rather be here than anywhere else.
[Goanet]RE: Gaonkar ani AfraTosh
RE: the following from God Alone knows who <"This is my humble opinion and modern thought input to this issue. We have to give up our old ways and modernise. These days, there are no Clans Communes anymore; even families are disappearing under the impact of development and modern thinking. The Hindu unduvided family, has also disappeared by and large; I think its prevalent only for tax purposes; the tax office should outlaw this; certainly appears like a loophole for tax fraud." afra dias wrote the following: Dear Goencars, What Jose Colaco is saying is absolute 'tosh'. Gaonkar in English means Citzenship - not of the country, but of the village s/he is born. What right has a foreigner like Jose Colaco got to come to our village and tell us what we should do with their ancestral property which our grandfathers acquired by working on the ships etc? If he wants to buy, he is welcome to do so.The British are doing it, but to tell me to change my way of citizenship of my place of birth. I think Jose Colace is seriously wanting in some areas of his reasoning. Sincerely. Afra Dias. (london) === Dear Afra May I (in polite British Ingliss) ask which of Jose Colaco's Tosh writings Thou referest to? I do not wish to argue any village citizenship - BUT please advise IF you are stating that Jose Colaco wrote the segment you have quoted. good wishes as always jc (a foreigner to London) _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
[Goanet]Battle of nerves for BJP & Congress to form government
Battle of nerves for BJP & Congress to form government By Mayuresh Pawar, Panaji, June 1, 2005: Political parties are claiming their victories in the bye-elections for the five assembly constituencies, but it seems to be a 'battle of nerves' for the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) and the Congress to form the government. Normally, the bye-elections are taken so seriously. But this time, the situation is completely different from the normal ones. Political bigwigs from both, the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) and the Congress marked their presence for the electioneering campaigns. The BJP on other hand has been beating the drums of victory in all the five seats, today claimed that they would win only four segments and the Benaulim constituency would go for the United Goans Democratic Party (UGDP). In this regard, Digital Goa interacted with the BJP stalwartsformer chief minister Manohar Parrikar and BJP president Rajendra Arlekarwho stated that their 'lotus' cannot bloom in the Benaulim seat. "After conducting extensive campaign in all the five assembly segments, we realized that the BJP will win only four seats," the confident Arlekar. According to BJP sources, the UGDP will tie-up with the BJP and form the government under the leadership of Manohar Parrikar. "It's the matter of formation of the government and we are confident that my government will be in power," former chief minister Manohar Parrikar said adding, "People want to see our government in power." Congress spokesman, Jitendra Deshprabhu said, "The BJP has 'looted and scooted' the people of Goa in the name of development, you tell me why the people should franchise their precious votes for the BJP." He further said that the Congress will provide the stability in the State henceforth. "We will expose the BJP, who swindle the government treasury and the people's money." It looks a joke when the Congress speaks about bringing stability to the Goan Democracy. There are already five contenders from the Congress campBabush Monserrate, Isidore Fernandes, Dayanand Narvekar, Luizinho Faleiro, Pratapsingh Ranewho wish to become the chief minister of Goa. However, Deshprabhu maintained that the High Command will take the appropriate decision to choose the leader. He certainly made it clear that the Rane is not there leader. When asked about his interest to be the chief minister, Deshprabhu keeping silence for a while said, "I can't think of that. There are senior leaders in the party and one of them will be chosen as our leader." Congress leader Shantaram Naik was very optimistic to claim that the Congress would win all the seats. "Our government is ruling at the Centre and we are sure of getting back to the power in Goa as well," he said. Replying to a question, Naik disagreed to the reports of Churchill working against the Congress-NCP alliance. Five assembly segmentsTaleigao, Cumbharjuem, Margao, Benaulim and Poinguinimgoes to the poll on June 2 and the results will be declared on June 5. And then, the number game will begin in search of a new government. www.digitalgoa.com is Goa's premier and fastest growing portal. - Forwarded by http://www.goa-world.com/ Team
[Goanet]Link to Goa maps
Cecil Pinto pointed out this link to useful Goan maps. http://www.johnthemap.co.uk/pages/goa/goa_page1.html A number of places are covered. From Aguada to Vasco da Gama. FN .. Frederick (FN) Noronha | Freelance Journalist | Mobile +91 9822 122436 Tel +91.832.2409490| http://fn.swiki.net | http://www.bytesforall.net ..
Re: [Goanet] Emails from Mario Goveia's address
Hi Gabriel, Many thanks for your very reasoned and pleasant reply. I think most of us, (except perhaps Mario) are agreed that no one Western country has all the good points compared to any other. However, without a doubt, Australia has a great deal going for it, and perhaps, if I were younger, I might have been tempted to consider it as an alternative to the UK for several reasons. However, I have often wondered as to why such a huge continent has only about 20 million people (apparently the annual birthrate of India) even granted that the middle is largely desert. The view I consistently get is that "it is too far away from anywhere else...and one is too isolated there." Of course this depends on where one is looking from, but at present, flight times are incredibly long but once these are hopefully reduced, OZ should become a more favoured destination I think. My last trip there from London took 11 hours to Tokyo and then another nine to Sydney. Even though my family and I enjoyed the business class we happened to get at a reduced rate and our bit of the plane was virtually empty, the trip there and back was an absolute slog. Yet, I'd like to visit again but may have to travel on my own next time, to this great faraway destination! Regards, Cornel PS I particularly liked your city Melbourne, even though it just happened to be bitterly cold and windy there on a Christmas day-- something I had least expected!
Re: [Goanet]Caste in East Africa
On 02/06/05, cornel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Tony, > Many thanks for enlightining me, and others, about the Catholic Goan caste > situation in Tanzania. .. . This > relatively short period also preceded the establishment of Goa village-based > associations in London. These I have never approved of because I felt that > they had the seeds of caste within them which would germinate and take root > in time. > Regards, > Cornel RESPONSE: This is perhaps true of one may be two Village Associations, in London. The Union of Navelim has no such class/caste distinctions and it is gratifying to note that we have raised several thousands of pounds which have been sent to our Village for various charitable projects. Cheers, Gabe Menezes. London, England
[Goanet]Goanet Reader -- Looking back at the simple, slow-moving Goa
peter fernandes wrote: I have traveled in all the types of transport mentioned; the bullock cart, and the gaddo. My grandmother had to go for a feast from Parra to Aldona and we hired a gaddo to take us there . We started early as we had to reach the... __ I am confused, poor me! Please, someone please tell me what is the difference between the 'bullock cart' and the 'gaddo'!!!
Re: [Goanet]Lighthouse
> Then one day it happened, his prayers were answered. > His generosity > became well known in the land. People in the city > began to volunteer > to come and help the man keep vigil during stormy > nights. Men began > to take shifts keeping watch and helping rescue > sailors. Then women > started cooking and preparing bandages for the > wounded sailors. The > children did whatever they could to help lift the > spirits of the sick. > > Ships still wreck along that treacherous shoreline, > but now because > there are so many people there to help the man, many > more lives are > saved than are lost. Together Everyone Accomplished > Much. Together > they made a difference. > Cynthia Cythia , what is the moral of your post ? rene barreto [EMAIL PROTECTED] at cybercafe -London > > _ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! > Download today it's FREE! > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > > __ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail
[Goanet]Gaonkar
Afra Dias wrote: Dear Goencars, What Jose Colaco is saying is absolute 'tosh'. Gaonkar in English means Citzenship - not of the country, but of the village s/he is born. What right has a foreigner like Jose Colaco got to come to our village and tell us what we should do with their ancestral property which our grandfathers acquired by working on the ships etc? Reading Afra'a views got me thinking... Would Afra let me know where she has property in Goa, and if she is willing to give it to me for free Wouldn't that be just great? Thank you Afra, you are so kind, and so generous. Just let me know when you manage to effect the transfer of title etc!!!
[Goanet]For Cecil, Holiday from Hedonland.
Because of my LARGE returns from an investment in a certain "late evening" business in Nevada, i will send Cecil and family to Kashmir before the rains - unless Mervyn beats my offer before sunset !!eric. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Herald has a new website
Hi there, A short note to inform you all that Herald has a new website. It is: www.oheraldo.in Check out the new website for the latest news and views of events and activities in and around Goa. Kindly pass on this information to your friends and relatives. Regards, Melvyn __ Melvyn S. Misquita, Asst Chief of News Bureau, Herald, Panjim, Goa - 403001 INDIA Ph 1 : +91-832-2224202 (extn 231) Ph 2 : +91-832-2224460 (extn 231) Cell : +91-9422064707 The Melvyn S. Misquita website: www.melvyn.misquita.in The Misquita Family Website: www.misquita.in The SS Britannia tragedy: www.misquita.in/britannia
Re: [Goanet] Why would anyone want to move to the UK?
--- Gabe Menezes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Forget about the USA aside from making money, there is not much else. Think of the size one would become if one assiduously followed the American way of life and diet! Mario replies: Hey, Gabe, all green card rejects say the same thing. > Gabe wrote: > Only, we (In the U.K.) can afford to move - very difficult and prohibitive for people elsewhere to come and afford a house here! > Mario replies: Why would anyone who has a choice want to move to the UK, with it's xenophobia, contempt for immigrants by white Brits, lousy weather, grimy cities and now murderous jihadis waiting to strike. White Brits are emigrating to Australia, Canada and the US in large numbers, while Gabe manfully defends HIS decision to live there. Good job Gabe.
Re: [Goanet]TIATR Schedule for June (12 Tiatr to choose from)... with 43 phtosRePLY
Dear Goan we have to thanks God for the Gift of Joegoauk who do the life so easy to gulf goan or worldwide goan as we can see what happen in Goa but Joe who do his hard work for each Goan we love u Keep it up God Bless you and your family too. yours fellow Goan Stephen fernandes Muscat/Divar --- JoeGoaUk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > June, 2005. > > >Tiatr Margao Panjim Others > > 1.Devan Ghoddlem Tem 1 > by Pascoal Rod > > 2.Mojem MaKa dhi (Rosy Alv.) 13 > Keri > > 3.Gorv (Roseferns)34 5 > Mapusa, 12 Sanvordem > > 4.Vann (Jhon d silva) 66 > > 5.Mog-Fulam/kantte (M.Menezs) 8 > > 6.Sonsar sudorlo (M.Boyer,AK) 7 19 4 > Arambol, 5 Mapsa > > 7.Argam Tuka Dhonia(TonyDias) 4 25 5 > Sanvordem > > 8.Tem Ek Sopon (Dominc Carv.) 12 > > 9.Mhojim Porbin Tuka (JackRod)9 > > 10.Tukach Rautali (AM Pachec) 5 4 3 Vasco > > > 11.Sogle Bhagivont(M.Fdes)20 19 > 18Mandrem,19Sanvodem,25Ponda,26Mapsa > > 12.Jivitacho Sangati (M Mario 5 > > > > Could name some the tiatrists in this album? > Just send the names by quoting the photo no e.g. > DCP... > > Prem Kumar, Remie Colaso, SAbina, Babli, Samir etc > etc all there, try to indentify > and name them. > > > Now click the link below and then click on 'play > slideshow' and enjoy. > > Pl. dont try to steal my photos... > All the photos are Copy Right protected (with > digitally superimposed dates etc) > i.e. No two photos can be identical. > > http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/joegoauk/album?.dir=/723c > > try this (below) for direct slideshow > > http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/joegoauk/slideshow?.dir=/723c&.src=ph > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > for NRI related info... > http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ > > For info on Konkani VCDs (Films, Tiatr, Comedies and > films on GOA...) > http://konkani-vcd.swiki.net/1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > How much free photo storage do you get? Store your > holiday > snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos > http://uk.photos.yahoo.com > > __ Discover Yahoo! Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html
[Goanet]Re: For Cecil, Holiday from Hedonland
I think Cecil's Kashmir holiday request was in jest (is it safe to travel there now)? I know Eric is very serious in his offer. However, cybergoans have greatly benefitted from Cecil's humour and it is only fitting we collectively thank him. We should share in the cost of Cecil's holiday to a place of his choosing in India. Cecil, tell us the total cost of a family holiday and I will chip in. I am sure others will contribute too not because Cecil is in need (I have no idea of his personal finances and he could very well afford to send us on holidays), but because it is important Goans acknowledge the joy a fellow Goan has provided through his humourous postings. I also wish to add that offline he has been very helpful and generous with his time. Over to you Cecil... Regards, George P.S. We should also thank Dominic in some way for his 'nostalgia' postings. Perhaps, in his case, we should pledge to buy a few copies of his book when it comes out. --- eric pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Because of my LARGE returns from an investment in a > certain "late evening" business in Nevada, i will > send Cecil and family to Kashmir before the rains - > unless Mervyn beats my offer before sunset !!eric.
[Goanet]Santa Claus and white lies/Melinda Coutinho Powell
Cecil Pinto wrote: "I would like though to examine the concept of telling 'white lies' to children. I have occasionally had to take recourse to such white lies and feel guilty about not having a better solution. The best example is Santa Claus" _ Many of us parents,Im sure ,are guilty of telling our kids the occasional white lie.Santa Claus is a good example- the problem is where do we draw the line? One very important thing that we must remember is that kids are excellent imitators .We are their role models.Kids are not concerned with ethics but their fragile little minds imbibe whatever they hear and see.Hence we ,as parents ,need to be careful about what we say to them. Parenthood is awesome and challenging.We along with our kids,learn new things,every step of the way. Happy parenting, Cheers, Melinda
[Goanet]Paes-Navratilova in mixed doubles final
Paes-Navratilova in mixed doubles final June 02, 2005 20:57 IST Leander Paes and Martina Navratilova stormed into the final of the French Open mixed doubles tennis championship with a straight sets win over Samantha Stosur and Paul Hanley of Australia in Paris on Thursday. The sixth seed Indo-USA pair got the better of the unseeded Australians, winning 6-2, 6-3 to keep alive their hopes of a third Grand Slam title together. The duo had won the Australian Open and Wimbledon title in 2003. They will now face the winner of the other semi-final between Daniela Hantuchova of Slovakia/Fabrice Santoro of France and fourth seed Anastasia Myskina of Russia/Jonas Bjorkman of Sweden. In the quarter-finals, Paes and Navratilova had beaten Corina Morariu and Jared Palmer of US 7-6 (7/5), 4-6, 6-3. -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/
Re: [Goanet]TIATR Schedule for June (12 Tiatr to choose from)... with 43 phtosRePLY
To: "Stephen Fernandes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thank you Stephen. Few People like you keep me going.. Thanks once again --- Stephen Fernandes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dear Goan > we have to thanks God for the Gift of > Joegoauk who do the life so easy to gulf goan or > worldwide goan as we can see what happen in Goa but > Joe who do his hard work for each Goan we love u Keep > it up God Bless you and your family too. > > > yours fellow Goan > Stephen fernandes > Muscat/Divar > > --- JoeGoaUk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] for NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For info on Konkani VCDs (Films, Tiatr, Comedies and films on GOA...) http://konkani-vcd.swiki.net/1 ___ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Do you want to be heard on the Radio?
Hello Goa-Netters, Faith Works! (India) is the producer of Good Morning Lord a Praise & Worship programme on FM Rainbow, Goa. It has over 300,000 listeners today. Its been on the air for the last 11 months, uninterrupted. I am planning to do a music programme but in Konkani this time. If any of you or those known to you have launched any Konkani 'Praise & Worship' music on CD's, & would like them to be on the radio, please get in touch with me on [EMAIL PROTECTED] as soon as possible. Keep Praising The Lord, Boromor Joseph Dias (Co-Founder of Faith Works! (India).
Re: [Goanet]Re: For Cecil, Holiday from Hedonland
Thank you, George, yes we all owe him one, but i dont mind if it's only on me this time around, i do however share your misgivings about those hills ! Eric. --- George Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think Cecil's Kashmir holiday request was in jest > (is it safe to travel there now)? I know Eric > is very serious in his offer. However, cybergoans > have greatly benefitted from Cecil's humour and > it is only fitting we collectively thank him. We > should share in the cost of Cecil's holiday to a > place of his choosing in India. Cecil, tell us the > total cost of a family holiday and I will chip > in. I am sure others will contribute too not because > Cecil is in need (I have no idea of his > personal finances and he could very well afford to > send us on holidays), but because it is > important Goans acknowledge the joy a fellow Goan > has provided through his humourous postings. I > also wish to add that offline he has been very > helpful and generous with his time. > > Over to you Cecil... > > Regards, > George > P.S. We should also thank Dominic in some way for > his 'nostalgia' postings. Perhaps, in his case, > we should pledge to buy a few copies of his book > when it comes out. > > > --- eric pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Because of my LARGE returns from an investment in > a > > certain "late evening" business in Nevada, i will > > send Cecil and family to Kashmir before the rains > - > > unless Mervyn beats my offer before sunset !! > eric. > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet]Santa Claus and white lies/Melinda Coutinho Powell
--- Melinda Powell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Cecil Pinto wrote: > "I would like though to examine the concept of telling 'white lies' to children. I have occasionally had to take recourse to such white lies and feel guilty about not having a better solution. > The best example is Santa Claus" Melinda responds: > Many of us parents, Im sure,are guilty of telling our kids the occasional white lie.Santa Claus is a good example - the problem is where do we draw the line? Mario opines: I will let other Goanet philosophers comment on the curious color identification of "white" lies as OK and "black" lies as bad, but it seems to me you draw the line at whether any harm is being caused or not, which may be a parental judgement call. I once heard a psychologist ask a person who wanted to be brutally honest with a friend to consider whether the truth, in that case, would help or cause harm to the other person or their relationship. That seemed like a decent enough criterion to apply. BTW, I'd like to hear from Goanetters who have grown up to be psychological basket cases because they learned at about seven or eight years of age that their parents had "lied" to them about Santa Claus.
[Goanet]SARNews: Theology Is A Service To Foster Life: Felix Wilfred (Desmond de Souza CsSR)
Theology Is A Service To Foster Life: Felix Wilfred By Fr. Desmond de Sousa CsSR, SAR News PANAJI, Goa (SAR NEWS) -- Dr. Felix Wilfred is internationally recognised as one of the most distinguished priest-theologians of India. He was the head of the Department of Philosophy and Religious Thought, University of Madras, and a member of the International Theological Commission of the Vatican and secretary of the Theological Advisory Commission of the Federation of Asian Bishops Conferences. After eleven years of training in Europe, he returned to India and was confronted and haunted by the stark poverty, abysmal misery and destitution of millions of the people in the country. His classical mindset began to crumble in the face of the questions affecting the daily life of the people. His books, including 'On the Banks of the Ganges: Doing Contextual Theology', are a living testimony to his disciplined search for answers. For Father Wilfred, "Theology is a service to foster life, to protect it from various threats and uphold it." In the encounter between daily life and faith, theology is like the midwife, assisting in birth and growth of faith and enhancing life. The Ganges is the place of his reflections. "This mighty river, winding its way through most of the north Indian territory, stands for Indian life and context. On the fertile banks of this river, life is carried on uninterruptedly. Vegetation flourishes; people are born on its banks and after death their bodies get dissolved in the waters of the Ganges. On its banks people do cultivation, transact business; on its banks people squat and silently meditate on the Ultimate. The Ganges then symbolises the divine that passes through our lives making everything alive and flourishing; it signifies the continuous flow of divine grace right through our life and its innumerable expressions." Indian Theology has to take seriously India's multi-cultural and multi-religious context. The method of Indian theology is not so much 'faith seeking understanding' (classical definition) or 'love seeking understanding' (Jesuit Jon Sobrino), but 'faith seeking dialogue' - "a dialogue that is open-ended. It leads us into the depths of the mystery, to understand which we need to be in continuous journey with others. "Indian Approaches to the Divine Mystery will make a very original and significant contribution to the cause of women by its encounter with the Hindu tradition on the feminine aspect of the divine mystery." Indian Liberation Theology "is an attempt to overcome the violence on God-given life, help the people regain it and accompany them on their path to pooranam (fullness and integration). The place of this challenge of liberation is the Dalits (marginalised) of India, who constitute about 20% of India's population, 75% of Indian Christians and are among the 48% of Indian population living under the poverty line. Relevant interpretations of Christ in contemporary India present daunting challenges. Christ must become relevant to two diverse strands within Indian society. The classical, intellectual, elitist strand of Hindus like Bengali convert Keshub Chander Sen and others of the 19th century Indian renaissance, claim some mystical experience of Jesus Christ which has had a lasting influence on their life. The other strand is of the struggling poor and marginalised in India. The traditional spiritual richness of the one and the earthy power of meaningful interpretation of the other, provide possibilities of mutual critique and corrective. Relevant interpretations of Jesus Christ for India will emerge out of their creative interactions. Being a Christian community in India, characterised by many violent conflicts on the basis of religious identity, castes, ethnic assertions, presents a major challenge to the Church. The realisation of the Holy Spirit working outside the boundaries of the Church is crucial. The Church as a mystery of communion must forge close links of communion with their neighbours of other faiths. The ideal of a Church at the service of the Kingdom of God in India will be a great inspiration. It is in facing these and many other challenges in India's historical context and fulfilling its historical mission that a true Indian Church will emerge, according to Father Wilfred.
Re: [Goanet]Santa Claus and white lies/Melinda Coutinho Powell
On 02/06/05, Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- Melinda Powell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Cecil Pinto wrote: > > "I would like though to examine the concept of > telling 'white lies' to children. I have occasionally > had to take recourse to such white lies and feel > guilty about not having a better solution. > > Mario opines: > I will let other Goanet philosophers comment on the > curious color identification of "white" lies as OK and > "black" lies as bad, Response; That is being prejudiced, black lies are acceptable white lies are not and should not be tolerated. > > BTW, I'd like to hear from Goanetters who have grown > up to be psychological basket cases because they > learned at about seven or eight years of age that > their parents had "lied" to them about Santa Claus. Response: Santa Claus is alive and well, last Christmas I wrote him a letter and got a reply. For those that want to write to him the address is: Santa Clause. North Pole. Norway. http://www.santaclausonline.com/ -- Cheers, Gabe Menezes. London, England
[Goanet]POPE JOHN PAUL THE GREAT!
Dear Friends, I am writing to tell you about a wonderful new internet campaign that will publicly acclaim our dearly departed Holy Father as JOHN PAUL THE GREAT. As you may know, only two Popes in history have ever become known as "The Great." The first was Gregory the Great (d. 604) and the second was Leo the Great (d. 461). I have come to know that this only ever happens by public acclamation. The title "Great" is not given by the Vatican. It is only given by the public acclamation, by you and me. Did you know that at his funeral the people there in St. Peter's Square were actually chanting "Magnus, Magnus, Magnus" meaning "Great, Great, Great." It IS happening already! And you can help. Please go to this website --- http://www.c-fam.org/cgi-bin/jpthegreat.pl --- and sign the petition! And then, send this note around to as many family and friends as you possibly can! Just cut and paste this note to your whole address book. You can help in this great campaign. Again, the web site is: http://www.c-fam.org/cgi-bin/jpthegreat.pl Sign the petition and then cut and paste this message to your contacts! Thanks in advance for your help. Anne
RE: [Goanet] What have i given to Goa
I have observed that most Non-Resident Goans criticised our native Goans, also the land of our ancestors - Goa. Perhaps, the current generation of Non-Resident Goans follow the example of so-called East African Goans. Cip UK -Original Message- avertano teles Sent: 02 June 2005 03:20 So may intellectual goans all settling abroad.A few who have decided to stay back and give something back to goa for its development , Goa where i was born , i grew up , educated , married , now a father and now on my own feet. what i can give back to my mother land called GOA who nurtured me till this day? I could be just imagining but can all of us think as to what have i given back or can give back to GOA??
RE: [Goanet]Goanet Reader -- Looking back at the simple, slow-moving Goa
From: Salus Correia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: goanet@goanet.org To: Goanet Subject: [Goanet]Goanet Reader -- Looking back at the simple, slow-moving Goa Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 23:32:20 +1000 peter fernandes wrote: I have traveled in all the types of transport mentioned; the bullock cart, and the gaddo. My grandmother had to go for a feast from Parra to Aldona and we hired a gaddo to take us there . We started early as we had to reach the... __ I am confused, poor me! Please, someone please tell me what is the difference between the 'bullock cart' and the 'gaddo'!!! Gaddo and bullock-cart are same. However, what Peter probably refers to is the "gaddi", the "boilanchi-gaddi": It was a quaint wooden box on "gaddo" wheels and pulled by a pair of oxen. Garishly painted, with tiny windows and entrance from the rear, it was very convenient "sossegado" mode of travel, but exclusively, within Bardez. Nowhere else, in Goa, was it known. By a considerable stretch of imagination, it was a remote cousin of the "fiacre". In our property, in Paliem, Uccassaim there were at least a dozen of them with, everyday, one on duty for the use of inmates of our house, for church, "tintó" and visiting purposes. Pity, not even a single one exists. I tried to get one. Alfred de T. _ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement
[Goanet]Re: Caste in East Africa
Hi Cornel & Tony: Thanks for the very informative posts. I notice many ex-East Africans Goans write elegantly, your schools taught well. Stylistically, you have much in common - including Gabe, Milton, Eddie Fernandes. I am curious now about the caste issue in Goan Associations in other migrant populations - Goans in Portugal, North America, Australia. Sometimes people trade one prejudice for another. So if they gave up a caste prejudice, have they taken on another? In the USA, the Goans I have met do not carry their caste credentials openly. However, I wonder sometimes if they look at African-Americans as favorably as they do others. Regards, George
[Goanet]NEWS: India trip turned into a 'nightmare'
http://www.getreading.co.uk/story.asp?intid=12087 27/5/2005 - India trip turned into a 'nightmare' 'Terrified': ordeal of mum unable to pay hostel bill Prudence Fenn hoped joining her daughter on a trip to Goa would be an idyllic start to the teenager's gap year travels. But Mrs Fenn, 53, told last night how the dream holiday turned into a nightmare that has put her off returning to the sun-soaked region. Mrs Fenn, from Kidmore Road, Caversham Heights, joined daughter Lucy Pearson in the popular Indian resort of Bardez at the start of the 19-year-old's trip. Mrs Fenn said she thought the ?6-a-night tariff for the hostel they were staying in included activities such as elephant washing and did not realise these were actually extras which cost around ?12 each. The pair had to cut their three-day stay short by a day and on settling up faced a ?150 bill, Mrs Fenn said. They were forced to write and read out a letter of apology to the hostel owner and promise to pay him the balance of the bill, which they did not have the funds to cover. "The most we could find was about ?120. He wasn't letting us go and wasn't negotiating," she said. "I was becoming more crippled with fear. He was getting angrier and angrier, screaming and shouting. He thrust himself forward, tore the money out of my hands. "I was beside myself with fear. "He said I was an absolute disgrace coming to his country with this amount of money. Lucy was sobbing her heart out. She thought he was going to kill us." Lucy, a former Highdown School and Henley College pupil, had to write and read out: "I, Lucy Elizabeth Lourde Pearson owe the owner Rs 2,100 [about ?25]. I will send this to him as soon as I have cashed my traveller's cheques. I apologise for the way my mother has behaved and I'm aware we have both behaved unreasonably." The pair left for another hostel in Anjuna. Mrs Fenn said she should have reported the incident to police but did not want to spend the last few days with her daughter worrying about it. She added it would be their word against the owner's. Mrs Fenn also said she was unsatisfied with the Foreign Office's response when she approached it. "They have done absolutely nothing," she said. "They said we should have contacted the police out there. I'm well aware of that but I was in a state of complete fear and terror and terrified for my daughter's safety. "The local people said the police are corrupt." Mrs Fenn said the experience has put her off returning to India. She said: "I think it's absolutely wicked and evil." Foreign Office spokesman Pasquale Lamanno told the Evening Post: "It seems to have been a private dispute between Mrs Fenn and the hostel owner over paying some money. "I think the point she was trying to get across is she didn't receive any help from us in paying that money and that's something we do not and cannot do." The hostel owner could not be contacted to comment. [Thanks to http://www.goanvoice.org.uk for providing the link. -FN]
[Goanet]RE: Gaunkaries ani Communidades et the rest
From: "Nasci Caldeira" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> #1: < When I talk of apartheid in the Church; I am talking of the Kunbis and Gawdas and those in the fishing trades and other labour intensive village work, who are not gauncares> #2: bahalf> #3: < But , the Church affairs are yet the same old system, and yet to change for democratic and equality norms.The Gauncares still celebrate the main feasts and still administer and control the affairs of the Church, without any recognition or input from other residents. The only notable change in 'pews' I noticed is that the pews are now put right in front and the benches behind; perhaps trying to lure the church elite to sit and reflect closer to the altar..> #4: < The real difference I noted is that the Morador people and the working class people , no longer look up to the so called elite in the villages. They take pride in their own and have worked themselves up, to compete successfully with the old elite to become the new elite, to a great extent.> #5: < Viva progress! Viva the new Goa! > Dear Nasci, Thank you for your comments Re: #1: I must confess that I have seen none of that in Velim. And this whole concept of "Gaumcars" and "Moradors" which is high-velocity in Cuncolim is totally meaningless in Velim. Ownership of land is private and "leases" of land (for agri or mariculture) continue as per the much maligned Portuguese system of "auction". re: #2: There is NO "zhonn" of significance available these days. Some "zhonncars" get a rose as their annual return. Even Carambolim which used to provide the highest zhonns in Goa ( ~ 30,000 esc per zhonncar per year in the pre-1961 days ) has been properly "swiped". So...this Communidade which (because of the lake and 2nd crop) used to be the granary of Goa, has been reduced to rubble courtesy Candeth, Bandit-ker, Corruption and the Konkan railway. No wonder - the zhonn vaults are empty, and Goa imports rice from Out of state. re: #3: Again, my experience in Velim has been quite different. I have not seen any special pews for anybody though I do see a lot of OUTSTANDING CATHOLICS (those who stand outside the church). Not that being inside the church would make any difference to these "outstanding catholics". The language the sermao is preached ... is kind of a bad version of Nasal Marathi. re: #4: Respect is no longer a given. It has to be earned. And while fleeting respect may be bought, long term respect for a person has other markers which include Education and the Un-Buyability. Money is important but can no longer be the sole criterion for respect. Even dope dealers and con artists have money ... The questions have been, and always will be: CAN the person be BOUGHT? and IS the person going to PERFORM solely for poixe? As far as Velim is concerned, every single Kunbi family has somebody in the Gulf. Almost all young children are being educated at St. Xavier's School and on to either Loyola and Fatima in Margao. Sodon't knock the Catholic Church that quickly. Despite ALL the deficiencies, the Catholic Church has been the single most effective dismantler of the Horrid Caste System. That is the reason why the Rt Wing Hindus hate the Catholic Church. For "converting" (i.e. educating) the poor. I'll wager this bet anytime. More than half of the virulent Rt. Wing Hindu idealogues have taken advantage of the Catholic education systemwhether it be the Jesuit system (eg St Patrick's In Karachi or St. Paul's in Belgaum) or the Salesian system (Don Bosco's Panjim) Have the ungrateful &*&&^% given back anything to the Catholic System ? Yes Unmitigated Abuse. The same thing with those in Goa who have benefitted most from the Portuguese. Education makes a difference. The educated know the difference between a thiefing "social worker" and an honest "joe or jane". re: #5. I second you on that. good wishes jc _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
[Goanet]a query re Caste in East Africa
From: Tony Barros <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> were admitted after independence, were refused dances by Brahmin girls; whilst male brahmins never danced with female non-brahmins even though in some cases, they were classmates their entire school life.> Considering that Tonybab is talking about Africa, I wonder if ANY Africans were allowed to attend these dances. And IF they were , IF any of the alleged non-Brahmin girls were 'allowed' to dance with the African guys. PS: When we speak bad about the Caste System, we sometimes forget to remember the COLOUR origins. "Non-Brahmins" often speak ill of the prejudice of the "Brahmins" against "non-Brahmins". Was there NO prejudice displayed by the "Non-Brahmins" to individuals of other races and colours? jc http://www.colaco.net/1/caste.htm _ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963
[Goanet]Dear 'Whoever you are',
Afra Dias wrote: Dear 'Whoever you are', Typing in Bold letters in itself tells me that u r Psychologically Traumatised and deserved every bit u got. You are still not mentally OK. You went to Jesus coz he does not shout back at you while the others on earth DO... please, thats not in good taste.
Re: [Goanet] Emails from Mario Goveia's address
--- Mervyn Lobo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > After completing my formal education in the US > (complements of the Commonwealth of Virginia and the > State of Alabama) I moved to Canada. Mario replies: No one in their right mind moves to Canada if they can get a US visa. You moved to Canada because you could not get a visa to stay in the US. That is why you are so bitter about everything American. > Mervyn writes: > The fact remains that there are two types of citizens in the US i.e. those who can run for public office and those who cannot. You, dude, cannot and thus are a SECOND CLASS citizen. Mario replies: The fact remains that you like to spread hoaxes about the country that rejected you. The ONLY "public" office an immigrant cannot run for in the US is the US Presidency. > Mervyn writes:> > I have not heard anyone utter the word "paki" in Canada or elsewhere. Mario replies: It is a well known fact that immigrants from the Indian sub-continent are referred to derisively as "Pakis" in Canada and the UK. It is Mervyn who said that his white Canadian in-laws have this notion of immigrants trying to be more native than the natives. Guess whom they were referring to? That's right. Their own Indian in-law. >
Re: [Goanet] Why would anyone want to move to the UK?
On 02/06/05, Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- Gabe Menezes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Mario replies: > Why would anyone who has a choice want to move to the > UK, with it's xenophobia, contempt for immigrants by > white Brits, lousy weather, grimy cities and now > murderous jihadis waiting to strike. White Brits are > emigrating to Australia, Canada and the US in large > numbers, while Gabe manfully defends HIS decision to > live there. Good job Gabe. RESPONSE: Sour grapes you most probably got deported from here. I shall check next week on your status, I have friends in the Home Office who will confirm this! -- Cheers, Gabe Menezes. London, England
[Goanet]NEWS: India opens huge new naval base
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4596581.stm India opens huge new naval base Indian warships The facility will eventually be able to berth 42 ships India has opened a new naval base on its Arabian Sea coast which it says will become one of the largest in Asia. The base at Karwar in south-western Karnataka state will have space for 42 warships and deep water for an aircraft carrier and nuclear submarines to dock. It fulfils a long-standing demand by India's navy for an exclusive facility. Until now Indian naval bases have had to share space with commercial ports, leaving them congested and vulnerable to attacks. The BBC's Sunil Raman in Bangalore says the INS Kadamba base covers 4,400 acres and will become the biggest operational base in India. Delays "This base is of strategic importance," Defence Minister Pranab Mukherjee said at the new base in Karwar. "With the commissioning of this base, the navy will fulfil the responsibility of defending the country and safeguarding its exclusive economic zone." The base has been commissioned 19 years after its foundation stone was laid, mainly because of delays due to funding problems. But in 2000, the Indian government decided to make it a priority and channelled huge funds towards the project. Presently, the base can berth around 11 ships but the number will rise to 42 in the next couple of years. A ship-lifting system built by European engine maker Rolls Royce at a cost of $35m will become operational by the end of this year. [Thanks to http://www.goanvoice.org.uk for providing the link.]
Re: [Goanet]Re: Caste in East Africa
On 02/06/05, George Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Cornel & Tony: > > Thanks for the very informative posts. I notice many ex-East Africans Goans > write elegantly, your > schools taught well. Stylistically, you have much in common - including > Gabe, Milton, Eddie > Fernandes. RESPONSE: What can I say? Thank you very much for the compliment. I do think that you too, write elegantly, so also does Fred, Mario the ma*. man; Not forgetting our resident scientist - no names mentioned - his preference is to combat, not to be praised; guess he is shy? Many more and I am sincerely sorry I can not mention you all, but as Elvis sang 'you are always on my mind' and last not least Cecil the trainee poder. The strength of Goanet is in its lowest common denominator. Yours humbly ever. cheers. Gabe Menezes London England. P.S. I have noticed Goanet posters are growing in number and the Goanet administrators are accommodating the fairer sex with their postings - mis-responses and chain emails! All in all, just to give them Dutch courage! I'll drink a Johnny Walker Blue to that!
Re: [Goanet]NO POPE JOHN PAUL THE GREAT!
--- ANNE MARIE BORGES wrote: > Dear Friends, > > I am writing to tell you about a wonderful new internet campaign that will publicly acclaim our dearly departed Holy Father as JOHN PAUL THE GREAT. > > As you may know, only two Popes in history have ever become known as "The Great." The first was Gregory the Great (d. 604) and the second was Leo the Great (d. 461). > Mario replies: Anne Marie, I hate to burst you bubble, you can call Pope JP-II Great if you want to, but if he becomes a saint it will be an insult to all the eternally scarred young victims of the pedophile priests that the Pope failed to address and give comfort to, while appointing ex-Cardinal Bernard Law of Boston as "arch-priest" of Santa Maria Maggiore, one of the Vatican's Basilicas. Law had resigned in disgrace and escaped from the US to avoid prosecution for enabling pedophile priests for several years, trying to hide what they had done and covering it up. Yes, he Pope JP-II did many good things, but some of what he did and failed to do will be an eternal blot on the Catholic Church.
Re: [Goanet]First Class Friends and Second Class Citizens
Cecil Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Who was it that spurred you along in your > progression from 2.0 to 3.0? It was me! Cecil Pinto. Yes, Cecil. The Boss is forever grateful for that one and says that she wants to thank you in person. > Why is it then that you offer this Mario (who is > constantly insulting you) and his family, a five > star holiday and air fare via Canada Cecil, You made us work for the last prize offered on Goanet. However, I did prove that I was in a class of my own, and won ;-) The first prize, flowers from EXPRESSIONS, were excellent! The prize awarded to Mario et all using his address, was for the absolutely worst posting on Goanet. And I am talking about the absolute worst posting in ten years. Even if we did hold a competition for the worst writer, I do not think anyone would be able to beat the persons the prize was awarded to. Mervyn3.0 Cannibals aren't vegetarians, they're humanitarians. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet]Santa Claus and white lies
Cecil Pinto wrote: > Melinda, I agree with all that you have said in your e-mail and I guess for > a person with a strong religious conviction it is far easier to be an > ethical parent than for a 'doubting Thomas' like me. Try explaining to teenagers why their father went from encouraging them to accompany him to daily Mass and reflecting on the mysteries of the Rosary to the inability to honestly make the 'sign of the cross' any longer. It IS all about telling 'white lies'. Children have an innocence and simple faith in believing what we, their life support system, tells them is true. We, in turn, believe what we are told by those we hold in highest esteem, as the Truth. However, on deep questioning of these 'truths' we find inconsistencies that are irreconcilable, it is easy to become a 'doubting Thomas' and more! I have resolved not to tell any more 'white lies' that I am not completely convinced of the truth. > I would like though to examine the concept of telling 'white lies' to > children. I have occasionally had to take recourse to such white lies and > feel guilty about not having a better solution. > > The best example is Santa Claus. At least it is as far removed as one can > get from the taboo topics of 'religion' and 'sex' on this forum. Unfortunately, you chose the one example that has everything to do with religion with a healthy dose of consumerism ;-) > On the one hand I feel I should tell my sons that there is no real Santa > Claus. On the other hand I don't want to take away from them that sense of > anticipation, mystery and wonder which surrounds the arrival of the > Christmas presents. And the related myths. So how do I get past this by > telling a harmless white lie; that a Santa Claus does indeed exist at the > North Pole and that he does have a Toy Workshop and Elves and Reindeers and... Did you see how many adults have tears in their eyes when watching the annual December re-releases of "Miracle on 34th Street"? These would be the same adults who will go to see the annual Lenten re-releases of the "Passion". Successful parenting is finding a way of easing the transitions between literal to figurative truths without losing face. > Some years from now when they find out the truth about Santa Claus will > they resent the fact that I lied to them? Did I hold any resentment towards > my parents when I found out the truth? None at all. Do we put too much > pressure on ourselves as parents to be completely truthful when our > children themselves wouldn't be less bothered about the ethics involved and > just take it as a part of growing up? Kids are getting smarter and smarter every generation and what worked for our generations may not work for theirs when they get their information from so many other sources than their parents. My solution is to be as truthful as possible leaving yourself enough wiggle room to mature the story-line as your child grows up. However, past the age of mid-late teens, you will have to accept that they are young adults and need to be treated as such, including frank discussions on all taboo subjects before they have their immature minds filled by other sources. Kevin Saldanha Mississauga, Canada.
[Goanet]Advani Betrayed the Hindus
PTI[ THURSDAY, JUNE 02, 2005 03:39:57 PM ] http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1130273.cms?headline='Advani~betrayed,~insulted~Hindus' CHENNAI: Accusing BJP president L K Advani of having "betrayed" the Hindus, VHP working president Ashok Singhal on Thursday demanded a public apology from him for describing the December 6, 1992 Ayodhya incident as the "saddest" day of his life. "He (Advani) should publicly apologise. He has betrayed the Hindus of our country. Regretting now, particularly from Pakistani soil, is an insult to 90 crore Hindus," Singhal told reporters here. Alleging that Pakistan was behind the jehadi movements in various parts of the country and for the Kargil war, he said Advani's statement, that too from Pakistani soil when he had himself accused Pakistan of waging proxy war in India, "is most shameful". On friendship with Pakistan, Singhal countered "friendship for what? To enhance jehadi movement?." He claimed 43 per cent of districts in India were facing the problem of terrorism. "Who is teaching them, (terrorists) who is providing training to them," he asked. Referring to the "desaffronisation" of history lessons from schools by the Union Human Resource Development Minister Arjun Singh, he claimed that despite strong historical evidence, the students were now being taught "obsolete" theories like Aryans invaded India. -- Regards, Carlos
[Goanet]FLESHING OUT THE KOCHI PICTURE (FOR MOPA)
http://in.rediff.com/money/2005/jun/02spec.htm Coming soon: Low-cost Kerala Airways George Iype | June 02, 2005 -- In comparsion, Bangalore International Airport and Hyderabad International Airport have involved, among other things, acquisitions of 4-5 thousand acres of land, three to four times what seems sufficient in CIAL's case.
Re: [Goanet] Emails from Mario Goveia's address
--- Gabe Menezes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Shree Krishna is in Colliers Wood - although > recently the Holiday Inn > and another place have called themselves as being > situated in > Wimbledon South! Thanks for the correction, Gabe - my geography has become way too hazy, in fact had some difficulty in driving 'round that part of the woods last year, especially around Wimbledon. It has changed a lot, and the new tram-line too at Croydon. Cheers, Gabriel de Figueiredo. Melbourne - Australia. Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com
[Goanet]NEWS: Among the Hindus, learning their ways
http://www.commercialappeal.com/mca/midtown_downtown_appeal/article/0,1426,MCA_17776_3791636,00.html Among the Hindus, learning their ways May 22, 2005 Midtown Yoga teachers Kathy Fish and Margot McNeely enjoyed a yoga retreat in Goa, India, with two accomplished veteran teachers. Fish shared the experience with her sister, Sheila Cullen, a yoga instructor from Toronto. They studied the Hindu-based system of exercises meant to help achieve bodily and mental control and well-being with Canadian teacher Hart Lazer, who has been teaching and practicing yoga for more than 20 years. They also had the opportunity to study with Father Joe Pereira, a Catholic priest and Iyengar-trained yoga teacher who runs Mother Teresa's 28 Kripa Centers throughout India. Additionally, the group got to participate in Holi, the festival of colors, a Hindu celebration similar to a rites of spring where people roam the streets with packets of dye and colored water bombs. And helping bring the experience back home, Midtown Yoga on South Cooper will host a yoga workshop with Hart Lazer the weekend of June 3-5. There will be two sessions available, one for beginning students and one for intermediate/advanced. This is Lazer's second time to visit Memphis. Lazer will blend his knowledge of the alignment principles of Iyengar yoga with an ashtanga-focused practice. His knowledge of yoga and anatomy is inspiring to students and teachers. For information, call 276-2290. [Thanks to http://www.goanvoice.org.uk for providing the link]
Re: [Goanet]Re: Caste in East Africa
In my part of the world the association is called the Indian Catholic Association. The extended community are called GEMS, which stands for Goans, East Indians and Mangaloreans. Non-GEMS are welcome to join. I wouldn't know an African Goan from anyone else unless he or she told me they lived there. It's irrelevent. So much for caste being the basis for any such organization. --- George Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Cornel & Tony: > > Thanks for the very informative posts. I notice > many ex-East Africans Goans write elegantly, your > schools taught well. Stylistically, you have much > in common - including Gabe, Milton, Eddie > Fernandes. > > I am curious now about the caste issue in Goan > Associations in other migrant populations - Goans > in Portugal, North America, Australia. Sometimes > people trade one prejudice for another. So if > they gave up a caste prejudice, have they taken on > another? In the USA, the Goans I have met do > not carry their caste credentials openly. However, > I wonder sometimes if they look at > African-Americans as favorably as they do others. > > Regards, > George > > > >
Re: [Goanet]Goanet Reader -- Looking back at the simple, slow-moving Goa
A bullock cart moves. A gaddo stands still selling beedis, Charminar and ladoos! B. Colaco === --- Salus Correia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > I am confused, poor me! Please, someone please tell > me what is the difference between the 'bullock cart' > and the 'gaddo'!!! > > > > ___ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Re: What have i given to Goa
I know nonresident Goans, including members of my family, who have given back lakhs and lakhs of rupees, in cash and in kind. It might be equally pertinent to ask what the vast majority of resident Goans are doing, aside from their job, to improve the situation in the land of their birth and residence. I know quite a few who are doing a superlative job; they include several Goanet members whose names are very familiar to all of us. The point I am trying to make is that Goans who live in Goa should be even more concerned about the state of their state than Goans like us who live overseas, and have put down roots overseas. Best regards, Victor Rangel-Ribeiro
[Goanet]Goa bye elections, Congress, BJP claim wins
The voter turn out in the bye elections in 5 constituencies was an average of 68%, with rural to remote Poinguinim Constituency recording the highest polling figures of 74% plus. The Taleigao constituency possibly had the lowest turn out of less than 60%. The final figures will be available later tonight, but the variation will not be much. The likely winners are the Congress candidates with a touch-and-go with Congress woman-turned-independent Nirmala in Cumbarjua and possibly an upset win for Congressman-turned -UGDP candidate Monte Cruz in Benaulim. Enjoy a free cruise if Nirmala wins and celebrate with Belo beer if monte comes through. Good chances for BJP's Tawadkar in Poinguinim, but Isidore is expected to win. However, psephology is like astrology and exit polls often excite...but do not deliver. The results will be out by 11 A.M. IST on Sunday, 06 June but I will be in Bhutan on a work assignment by then. By the time I am back many would have pulled their hair in dispair at losing the seat or not becoming the CM/Minister. I doubt Parrikar will be one of them as he is likely to be the Leader of the Opposition with cabinet rank and perks. It is the dumbos in his circus who will have to earn a living and travel by their own vehicles, albeit with Govt.supplied petrol/diesel. Besides Parrkar makes a better opposition leader then a leader. Now he does not even need to keep his flock together, because one third of them still cannot defectand two[Mandrake and Arlek cars]of them may find it tough to get re-elected on a BJP ticket when the Congress is in the driver's seat in Delhi and Panaji/Porvorim. Arlekar may still get to taste his "Karma-cho bhog" or balchao courtesy Karl Vaz at the next hustings. He may also regret hustling the hustlers in a hurry as his guru did about the VCD. In the meanwhile, my neighbour Matthew Braganza is waiting for the ex-Law Minister to pay up for taking law in his own hands and joining Mandrekar in breaking his Mandarin Hotel in Mapusa. Sadanand[meaning" Always happy"] Shet Tanavde will no longer be happy and may be thinking why he has to go through this "tanhayi"...as ex-Chairman of GTDC he could possibly wish Ethel da Costa had planned a "Great Escape " for him instead of the 'Grape Escape' for his GTDC. Instead of a tour abroad, he would be happy to take a walkaway from it all. But the criminal case apart, Matthew has slapped a civil suit for damages to a tune of Rs.2.35 lakhs. There is alway a price to pay...when the party is over. ;-( Ms Megha Dhond, who a relative of BJP's Margao candidate Sharmad Raiturkar, may be having a similar chain[ or handcuff] of thought. Impersona non grata? - Original Message - From: Digital Goa To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 6:20 PM Subject: High voter turn in bye elections, Congress, BJP claim wins One arrested for bogus voting A case of bogus voting was reported in Margao this afternoon.According to reports reaching here one Ms Megha Dhond who a relative of BJP candidate Sharmad Raiturkar was arrested for trying to cast bogus vote in Margao. Congress confidant of winning all five seats. Congress observer Margaret Alva has expressed confidance of winning all five seats to which polling was held today. Speaking to reporters at the end of the polling some time back, Ms Alva said that the high voter turn will work in favour of Congress. Meanwhile, speaking to Digital Goa, Congress spokesperson Shantaram Naik said that Congress will form the government. He said, Ms Alva and GPCC President Ravi Naik today toured all five constituencies and it was found that the atmosphere is fully in favour of Congress.However, he said Congress will stake claim to form the government after the results are declared. He said the average percentage has almost touched 60 percent at 4 pm and may even cross 70 percent by the time voting ends at 5 pm.He said, the incidents of bogus voting are minimal this time due to insistance on voter ID cards. However, our Margao reporters informed that one Ms Megha Dhond who a relative of BJP candidate Sharmad Raiturkar was detained for trying to cast bogus vote. BJP will secure four seats: Mr Parrikar Former Chief Minister and BJP leader Manohar Parrikar mantained that BJP will secure four seats when asked about this reaction to the voting trend. He termed high voting turnout reported in all five constituencies is a \"good trend\" and added that high turn out means people have voted for change especially in Margao. . Viva Goa. Miguel
