[Goanet]AICHEA DISSAK CHINTOP - August 13, 2005!

2005-08-12 Thread domnic fernandes

Sogglo sonvsar visovi dolleantlean anik porzollit dista.

(The whole world looks brighter through rested eyes.)

Moi-mogan,
Domnic Fernandes
Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA

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[Goanet]Goan Traditional Mandos/Dulpods (..some more Male/Female names)

2005-08-12 Thread JoeGoaUk


Istimosanv ROZA-chem, Roza mojea mogachem,
Kazar zaunk licence na go papachem .2

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MARIKIN tambde tuj polle, garxe tuje dolle, arxean vochon polle...2


Moga ieo modienicho,
Papacho bhar nidecho,
JOHNNY tum sodanch guttacho,
Surkar fudarcho,

==

Te bainchem udoku cheddva kadd gho soddsodditu...2
Ani alot dolot ieta go chedum nanv MORGORITU...2

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Hanv saiba poltodi voitam, DAMU-lea lognak vetam...2
Maka saiba vatt dakoi, maka saiba vatu kolona2


SANTAN mauxen bitor aplem kapodd sudoilem
LUIS Bakran zonelantlean distuch polloilem ...2



LUIZINHA mojea Luizinha, Luizinha mojea moga
Merces, Kalafura soddun divale vetai roddonaka

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Voilea voilea dongrar udoku kongrem2
Udok kongrem zalear, kolvontu MOGREM2

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Bai go JUANIT thamdde vonttamchem
Vhoniegher bhai zalam babre vonttamchem




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[Goanet]For the children of Goa - Aug 27 event in California

2005-08-12 Thread George Pinto
>From Goa Sudharop .

“Year of the Child” Telescope For Goa Appeal. Join our August 27, 2005 Family 
Science Day at
Chabot Space and Science Center in Oakland, California, USA.

As part of Goa Sudharop's efforts to interest Goan youth and families in 
science and astronomy, we
are planning family trips to Chabot Space and Science Center in the Oakland 
hills, located at
1 Skyline Blvd., Oakland, California, USA, 94619. Phone (510) 336-7300. Our 
first family
science day is planned for Saturday, August 27 to Chabot College.  We will 
participate in science
activities and see exhibits and films on space exploration, the search for 
life, the planets and
night sky, and the study of the human body, the cell, and the sea.   

Show times are as follows:
Solar Max 1:30 p.m. 
Cosmic Voyage 2:30 p.m.
The Human Body 4:00 p.m.
Sonic Vision 7 & 9:15 p.m. 
The Sky Tonight 8 p.m.  
Observatory 8:30 p.m.

You do not need to come at 1:30pm but can come anytime for the shows. After 
dinner at the
cafeteria
(not included in ticket price), we will be able to use Chabot telescopes to 
view the night sky
from 8:30 p.m. to 10:30 p.m. 

General admission is $13 for ages 13 to adult (does not include dinner).
$9 for children from 4-12 and Seniors (65+) (does not include dinner).  
Children 3 and under free (does not include dinner).
See complete list of ticket prices at 
http://www.chabotspace.org/visit/default.asp

Please email [EMAIL PROTECTED] or phone Filomena at 1-510-524-5802 to make your
reservations. Tickets also available at the door. Ticket prices cover entrance. 
In addition we are
requesting donations for the telescope below.

Visit http://www.chabotspace.org/visit/planetarium.asp to see a list of 
activities, show times,
and directions. 

Goa Sudharop gave a Fellowship Award in 2004 to Percival Noronha, founder of 
Goa Heritage
Foundation and the Friends of Astronomy in Goa society.  82 year-old Percival 
Noronha has
campaigned tirelessly to save the unique architecture of Goa and to educate 
Goan youth and the
public in the science of astronomy.  With the help of dedicated volunteers, he 
runs an unique
public instruction program in astronomy and Public Astronomical Observatory in 
Panjim, the capital
of Goa.  We invite you to send their tax-deductible donations to purchase a 
$6,000 - 14" German
telescope for this program for our “Year of the Child” contribution toward 
science education in
Goa.

You can send in your checks for tickets and tax-deductible donations to: Goa 
Sudharop, 67 Kingston
Road, Kensington, California, USA, 94707.

Thank you for your support.

Sincerely,
Goa Sudharop




[Goanet]Flourishing Flesh Trade: It all begins with a whisper

2005-08-12 Thread carlos6143

http://www.navhindtimes.com/stories.php?part=news&Story_ID=081226
NT Staff Reporter
Panaji Aug 11: The modus operandi adopted by sex workers is unique. A 
telephone call goes to a party, the moment it receives a positive 
reply, the second party is ready with the girl of his choice and the 
customer is informed about the fees.
A driver of a cab or Maruti van drops the girl right in front of the 
customer within no time and that too at a destination where he desires. 
The third party is so prompt that it acts as per the command of the 
customer and is ever ready to serve him at their doorstep.
This job is perfectly done by tourist taxiwallas who are rarely seen on 
the stands. They operate on contract basis and they know their job very 
well. The moment they find a tourist alighting from Mumbai, Kolhapur or 
Pune-bound buses at the Volvo bus stand, they approach them.
The first sentence which they whisper in their ears is ?Sab, apko kahan 
jana hain. Sab, mai aapko saste mein le chalunga.? The moment a tourist 
shows interest in him, the driver achieves major milestone. And when a 
tourist asks the driver with a smile ?O kidhar milega??, the driver 
promptly replies, ?Sab samjho aap ka kaam hogaya, chalo gadi mein 
baitho.?
Then the real conversation begins on the mobile. Mind you, some times, 
before the customer could reach the destination point, the girl of his 
choice is already there. Still, sometimes these drivers are instructed 
to keep a watch on the girls coming from Mumbai or any other 
destinations so that they reach in safe hands at any hour of the night.
The girls do not come alone to Goa. They are always accompanied by 
somebody and they know who the boy is or who the girl is and the cab, 
provision for dinner or breakfast depending upon the time is made for 
them besides reserving a suit in a posh hotel, or simple lodge or a 
hired room in a rented house kept ready for them. Where these women of 
ill-repute can entertain their daily customers.
These girls usually wear jean pants and tops as per the prevailing 
latest fashion. And if anyone of them is caught in the act, then they 
say that he is their boyfriend and vice-versa.
Some poverty-stricken local girls are also involved in soliciting the 
tourists. They are just a phone call away. This is being done either by 
the well-managed receptionists or managers appointed to entertain such 
customers besides waiters and room boys.
The interesting thing in this kind of flesh trade is that there are few 
hotels and some lodges which have become brothels. In these there are 
permanently stationed girls/women living as guests and doing nothing 
but acting at the command of the hoteliers and lodgewallas.
Some girls come in groups everyday to the city from villages and 
pretend as if they are employed in some private firms or offices to 
their parents, families and friends but visit hotels, lodges and rented 
houses.

--
Regards,
Carlos





Re: [Goanet]East Indian - Correct terminology

2005-08-12 Thread Mario Goveia
--- Gilbert Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In the USA, in the past we went by Asian Indians in
> America. We were a unique group as other ethnic
> groups were called Irish Americans and German
> Americans etc.  We called ourselves the above
> because the title of American-Indians was taken and
> we did not want to be confused with any other
> groups.
> 
Mario replies:
Gilbert, it's not that WE decided to go as
Asian-Indians.  This was the name the US Census Bureau
gave the community in 1980.
>
Gilbert writes:
> NOW  the American-Indian terminology is NOT
> politically correct.  It was a left-over of
> Christopher Columbus thinking that America was
> India.  The American-Indians are correctly called
> TODAY as Native Americans.
> 
Mario replies:
This is false.  The term "American Indian" is as
acceptable as "Native American" to members of that
community.  To see what the Smithsonian Institue has
to say, click on
http://www.si.edu/history_and_culture/american_indian/

Their biggest organization is called the American
Indian Movement.  See http://www.aimovement.org/
>
Gilbert continues:
> So too the young generation of Asian-Indians are
> more comfortable calling themselves as "Indian
> Americans" in keeping with other groups, and as they
> have less of an emotional link with Asia compared to
> their parents. So I hope we stop calling ourselves
> and dissuade others from calling us "East Indians"
> or "West Indians" etc. etc.
> 
Mario replies:
The term Indian American fits with the usage of other
American ethnicities as a descriptive term among the
politically correct fringe, like African American,
Irish American, Polish American, etc.

However, the proper usage is to call all of us simply
Americans.






[Goanet]Dulpod

2005-08-12 Thread Jose Pereira

I
CECILIA   1. Cecilio mujem naum
 Moga moga cherhum curiozo y aum

CUMPARY   2. Tum curiozo zaleari
 Talhar kon-num darhi maka judi

CECILIA   3. Talhar korunko judi
 Moga moga burgi muji moti

II
CUMPARY   4. Tum curiozo zaleari
 Bordar kon-num fronhi  di go tori

CECILIA   5. Aum fronhi ditam tuka
 Utrachi mudi di re maka

CUMPARY   6. Utrach' mudi diucha' tuka
 Mainchem muje licens zai go maka

III
CUMPARY   7. Papak pagment porhche furhem
 Cecily' tum kon-num darhy go virhio

8. Papan dal-llam kaporho
 Cecily' tum lambo sorhy go mirio

9. Undiro mat-tai urhio
 Cecily' tum damun dory go mirio

   10. Cumparinum dal-llam pero
 Cecily' tuka quer ou não quer -o

   11. Cumparinum dal-llam cetim
 Cecily' tum kon-num galy go tsollio

   12. Sinaleko al-llea mudi
   Cecily' tunvem pot-tun kitea dal-lli ?

IV
CUMPARY   13. Cecily' karhi maka dero
  Uloucha' guttachi foboro

CECILI A  14. Aum-um karhy nam saiba dero
Mogacha marida' [poticha] bogoro

CUMPARY  15. Bailean sunneanchi bobatti
  Cecily' tuka disonaka fotti

   16. Cecily' karhy go matrech dero
  Uloichak guttachi foboro

   17. Cecily' maka konnom nam sangati
   Dovory maka ekech punnum rati

18. To putu majoralo
 Cecily' tunvem kon-num gexlo y aplo

CECILIA. 1. My name is Cecilia. Love, oh my love, I am a talented girl.

LOVER. 2. If you are talented, make me a jacket and send it to me.

CECILIA. 3. As to making a jacket, I am too young to know how to make it.

LOVER. 4. If you are talented, at least embroider a pillow -case for me.

CECILIA. 5. I will give you a pillow- case; give me an engagement ring.

LOVER. 6. To give you an engagement ring, I need mother’s permission.

LOVER. 7. Before your father gets paid, Cecilia make me some cigarettes and 
send them to me.


8. Father has sent you a sari. (When you wear it) leave large folds.

9. The mice are jumping. Cecilia, keep your folds close together.

10. Your lover has sent you a guava, Cecilia, do you want it or not?

11. Your lover has sent you a piece of satin. Make a blouse, Cecilia, and 
wear it.


12. I  have brought you a ring as a sign (of my commitment to marry you). 
Cecilia, why did you return it?


13. Cecilia, open the door for me. So we can talk our secret (lovers’) talk.

CECILIA. 14. I will not open the door to you sir, without my husband (being 
near).


LOVER. 15. The dogs are barking outside. This is no trick Cecilia.

16. Please open the door Cecilia, so we can talk our secret lovers’ talk.

17. I have no companion, Cecilia. Take me in for one night at least.

18. He is the son of a major. Cecilia, you acquired him for yourself.





[Goanet]If anyone have info on WILFRED ANDRADE from D-Mundo, UMBRA,

2005-08-12 Thread The People's Club - VASCO SPORTS CLUB


If anyone have info on WILFRED ANDRADE from D-Mundo, UMBRA, please reply to 
Syed Razak 

Jason.


Dear Sir, 
 
I am Syed Razak, Ex-Indian Air Force personnel. While I was in Service at 
Shillong (Meghalaya) in 1980, I was having one Goan friend. His name is WILFRED 
ANDRADE from D-Mundo, UMBRA. I lost his contacts since 1981. Now I woudl like 
to re-establish communication with him to share the good old memories. 
 
Could you kindly help me tracing out the current address of WILFRED ANDRADE. 
 
Please let me know by e-mail on my e-mail ID. 
 
Appreciate all the member of the club for your great help. 
 
 
Thanks & regards 
Syed Razak 
Manager 
S & A Abahsain Co. Ltd. 
Commercial Division 
P.O Box : 42127 
Riyadh - 11541 Saudi Arabia 
Tel : 00966-1-474-0627 Mobile : 00966-508-314-912 
Fax : 00966-1-476-2660 
E-Mail : 
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Re: [Goanet]Konkani TV Channel

2005-08-12 Thread rene barreto

 TO ALL THOSE who would like to see a KONKANI TV in
Goa. 


   . Konkani TV Channel

  

  I thank you very much for your email , I will - of
course do all I can to MAKE THINGS HAPPEN for the Goan
Community - even support those who do not support the
idea of WORLD GOA DAY ! 

  To set the ball rolling is no problem , but I must
know - what the ball is made up of ?   : -) 

  To begin with , please let us know - the idea of GOA
 Konkani TV is all about , maybe you and others could
share your thoughts , lets discuss those thoughts -
here on Goanet. We will also need to have some GOAN
WHO has an interest of Goa - who has a good command
over the english language and has the TIME  ...to
draft a memorandum , we would need to have the details
- as to whom this memo should be sent ETC., 

 V.Fernandes , I believe you reside in Mumbai , a
month or so ago - I asked for email addresses of Goan 
organisations in Mumbai , you did not respond to that
request - nor did the many Goans who reside in
Mumbai...but that is not a problemBUT WHY ME ?
We have Great Goan Leaders , do they not share the
common men thoughts ? busy ? too busy ? OR is it ...

 I remember that a few other Goans on this forum - did
write about this TV - please do share your thoughts
.and yes , LETS MAKE IT HAPPEN .. lets JOIN
TOGETHER and make it happen. 

  We may wish to have the memo put together by the
2oth of August 2005.

  rene barreto
  

--- "v. fernandez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> While it's true that " many of our Goans - are
> beginning to
> believe that the ONLY WAY we can achieve any thing
> GREAT. is by WORKING TOGETHER .Lets WORK
TOGETHER - Can we ? Yes ..we
> can !.Goans Can! We need more- we need ACTION " 
> We got to start somewhere. Since"rene barreto"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> is the 'ORIGINATOR' OF GOA DAY
> and was able
> to motivate and mobilize goans ALL OVER THE WORLD to
> celeberate
> it,I think he is the right person to set the ball
> rolling.
> Everybody else will just follow, and make 'IT' (GOA
> TV) happen.
> v.fernandez (mumbai)
> PS On the spot guys like Frederick Noronha
> (FN),Floriano C. Lobo,
> Cecil Pinto,Santosh Helekar,Tomazinho Cardozo each a
> stalwart in
> his own right,can make matters move,and fast.  





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[Goanet]Goan Traditional Mandos/Dulpods (.. with double meanings?)

2005-08-12 Thread domnic fernandes

IV

"Chandnem udhelam, cheddva tuge dhamp go zonelam (repeat)."

When there is a moonlight outside, why one should close her windows?


Here is why!

Until the early 1970’s, most parts of Goa lived in the dark without 
electricity.  Whenever people wanted to visit their neighbors or go to a 
“posro” (shop) at night, they used natural torches made out of dried coconut 
leaves or carried a candle in a coconut shell.  But, they did not need these 
things when the moon shone brightly in the sky.  During moonlit nights, 
people traveled freely without worrying that they might stamp a snake and 
get bitten by it or dash another person coming from the opposite direction.  
In fact, people scheduled their visits to far away relatives during full 
moon time.  The moonlit nights meant better opportunities for boyfriends to 
visit their girlfriends and for mischievous boys to make sudden entries into 
houses and attack girls – yes, these things happened even in the past but 
not on a large scale; hence, the suggestion to Cicil in the Dulpod to close 
her windows in order to avoid untoward happenings.


All of the Goan Mandos, Dekhnnis and Dulpodam are based on Goa’s history, 
and every word/line conveys a different meaning.


Moi-mogan,
Domnic Fernandes
Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA

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[Goanet]Re: Matahny Saldanha's Disqualification

2005-08-12 Thread raju gonsalves
Sir,

The disquaitifation of mathany saldana is an outright
abuse of the  process, nonetheless, I remember mathany
saldana's words on this very issue" I am not a weather
cock "  His disqualitifcation is proven fact that
his disqualifiers too have accepted the fact that " he
is nto a weather cock " which is proven by their act
of disqualification, thus mathany's biggest
qualificatin is that he is nt a weather cock, and it
has been endorsed herein too. the people of goa,
should realize and accept this fact, that here is 
their only one and only reliable candidate whom they
can trust.

Raju gonsalves.



[Goanet]Some Trains on Konkan Railway diverted till 17 Aug 2005

2005-08-12 Thread Lawrence Rodrigues
See
http://www.konkanrailway.com/website/press_2005/press_extn_diversion_120805.htm

12th August, 2005

TRAINS DIVERTED TILL 17TH AUG

While normal train services have started via Konkan Railway route, the following
trains will run via diverted route, as mentioned, from originating station upto
and including 17th August, 2005.

·6333/6334 Veraval-Trivandrum Exp via Surat, Jalgaon, Manmad

·6335/6336 Gandhidham-Nagarcoil Exp via route as above

·6337/6338 Hapa-Ernakulam Exp via route as above

·6311/6312 Jodhpur-Trivandrum Exp via route as above

·2978/2977 Jaipur-Ernakulam Exp via route as above.

·2431/2432 Rajdhani Exp via Renigunta, Nagpur, Itarsi

·2617/2618 Mangala Exp via Renigunta, Nagpur, Itarsi

·2653/2654 Kochuveli-Chandigarh Kerala Sampark Kranti Exp via Renigunta,
Nagpur, Itarsi.





[Goanet]EXPOSE OF MUMBAI AIRPORT (LESSONS FOR GOA)

2005-08-12 Thread Philip Thomas
Ever since the Mumbai deluge made headlines, there has been a steady flow of
information about Mumbai airport which as it turns out was practically at
the epicentre both in causal as well as effect terms. We all know about the
flights which were delayed and cancelled on an unprecedented scale. Now we
are hearing about the nearby Mithi river being the key reason for the
flooding of not only the airport but of Mumbai itself!

Three recent articles in TIMES OF INDIA provide glimpses into the situation.
On Aug 8 there was "How the airport ate up the Mithi River" which is self
explanatory. Basically it shows how "the river has been artificially
diverted by the airport" over the decades. (Reportedly, the area was
originally known as Salsette!)

In "Where eagles dare" (Aug 11), a graphical picture is presented about the
airport layout, especially focusing on the inadequacies of the seondary
runway (14-32) which had to be employed as the main runway (9-27) was put
out of action when its landing aids were washed out. Incidentally, the main
runway is the same length as Dabolim (3.5 km or 11K feet).

The secondary runway not only has two obstructions, (one at each end  i.e
the control tower itself! and  a hill), but is shorter at 3km and of this
only 2.2 km is useable, and it is subject to both crosswinds and tailwinds
(while the main runway only has headwinds, the favourable kind). As a result
"most pilots would not want to use [it] more than once in a lifetime"! Oh
and btw, the runway has been made in patches (sort of like Panjim's 4-lane
DB Marg!) and even take-offs  can be bone-rattling experiences.

The third article is "CM to set up two panels to probe Mithi disaster" (Aug
11). One of these is the Mithi Nadi Development Authority (MNDA) and the
other is a Disaster Management Authority (DMA). MNDA has the task of
identifying obstacles in the free flow of the Mithi River and removing any
encroachments. No mention is made of the airport as a potential culprit!
Watch this space.

Let's hope Goa govt learns the right lessons from the experience with Mumbai
airport's growth and evolution in planning for Mopa. Let's also hope it does
not let AAI chicken out from Dabolim  when Mopa is ready.



[Goanet]BEWARE OF GOG!

2005-08-12 Thread Philip Thomas
GOG is not a typo. It stands for Government of Goa! And we better watch out
for what it's going to do to what's left of our huffing and puffing road
transport system.

Yesterday's (Aug 11) TIMES OF INDIA had two stories belly to belly. One was
"Delhi goes KL way, opts for monorail". The other says "In Goa as well".

Delhi is to build a 60 km system as feeders to the Metro. A 15 km stretch is
to be taken up as a pilot project which would take 2-3 years. Note that
Delhi would be trying frantically to spruce things up for the 2010
Commonwealth Games.

It is common knowlege that though monorails have been around for 50 odd
years, internationally they have mostly been used so far in a light duty way
i.e. in amusement parks, connecting tourist destinations or for relatively
short distances. Its big advantage is that it is supposed to be relatively
cheap at Rs 35-40 crore per km.

Now let's take a look at GOG's plan. It is to link the big urban points of
Mapusa, Panjim and Margao, spanning a distance of about 40 km.  The "tracks
are expected to run along side the [highway]". The project is expected to be
completed in 18 months. The cost can be put at around Rs1.4K crores.

Now wait a minute. Will the construction of the untried and untested Indian
monorail in Goa interfere with the operation of heavy traffic on the
existing highway?  The Delh monorail though it totals 60 km does not run
this risk as it is intended as feeders. Each feeder is isolated from the
other and from the main Metro rail line.

Turnpike traffic in Goa is however likely to be in a real mess for the
duration of the construction and, if there are the inevitable remedial jobs
to be undertaken after a monsoon or two, for a long time thereafter. The
state of DB Marg in Panjim may be a good forerunner of things to come. Only
the scale will be different. Dont say you have not been warned!

The HERALD (Aug 12) has a good editorial "Think Simple" questioning the
wisdom of monorail in Goa.





Re: [Goanet]Matahny Saldanha's Disqualification

2005-08-12 Thread Gabe Menezes
On 11/08/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Letter to the Editor of Gomantak Times:
> 
> The editorial comments in today's issue of your paper on
> the disqualification of Matahny Saldanha by the Speaker of the Goa
> Assembly as well as the assessment of his political career are unfair
> and unjust and not borne out by the facts of the case. A number of
> judicial pronouncements have made it clear that the authority to
> issue whips and to take decisions for voting on issues before the
> House rests with the Legislature Party and NOT with its political
> wing or hierarchy.

RESPONSE: I too believe that the Speaker has acted wrongly in
disqualifying Matahny Saldanha. All is not lost though Shri Saldanha
has recourse to the Courts, which I am sure he will proceed to, in
order to gain justice.

Gabe.

P.S. Politics and Politicans in Goa reach a new low everyday.



[Goanet]Goan Traditional Mandos/Dulpods (.. with double meanings?)

2005-08-12 Thread domnic fernandes
Hello Jorge!  Here is my version of the following from my personal 
experience:


“Undir martai re uddieo, Cicil tujeo dhamun dhor go mirieo.”
(Rats are jumping around, Cecilia catch tight your plaits.)

In the olden days, when people chased rats in a house, if a door of a room 
was closed and they couldn't run away, they would climb up the chaser’s 
legs.  Most women in those days wore a “kapodd” (cotton sari.)  In order to 
wear a kapodd/sari, one has to first wear a “dubji” (undergarment/skirt) 
which is fastened to the waist with a “lugttacho doro” (cloth cord).  The 
inner end of a kapodd/sari is tucked on to the “dubji” cord in the center 
and then its top edge is tucked all around the waist in one round.  A 
“pallu” (top end of sari) is then formed and thrown on the shoulder.  The 
balance middle length of kapodd/sari is gathered into a bunch of plaits and 
tucked at the “dubji” cord just below the navel – the more the plaits, the 
better the appearance/show of a sari.  If the bunch of plaits is pulled, the 
kapodd/sari falls loose.  When women drove away rats from their paddy barns, 
the rats jumped around and sometimes climbed up women's legs.  When this 
happened, they screamed, jumped and pulled their “kapodd” in order to get 
rid of the rat(s) from their bodies resulting in looseness and fall of 
(kapodd!)  Even though women always wear a "dubji" under a "kapodd" it still 
mattered in those days if a "kapodd" came off!  Hence, the suggestion to 
Cicil in the Dulpod to catch tight her plaits so that the kapodd/sari does 
not come off/fall down!


Moi-mogan,
Domnic Fernandes
Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA

Re: Goan Traditional Mandos/Dulpods ( .. with double meanings?)
Thu Aug 11 00:42:13 2005

There are many variations to this "dulpod". Here is the version printed in
Maestro Lourdino Barreto's "Goenchem Git": "Cecilia mhojem nanv / Cheddvam
bhitor cheddum kurioso hanv. / Tum kurioso zaleari / Mogê (Mhoji?) matxi
judi talhar kori. / Tugê (Tuji?) judi talhar korunk / Irmanv mhogê (mhoji?)
bhurgi nhõi rê moti. / Sinalako ditam pero / Cecilia você quer ou não quero
/ Maka (Mhaka?) naka tujem pero /Dilear puro mogachem utoro. - "Kurioso",
from the Portuguese "curioso" ("curiosa" in the feminine), though literally
meaning "curious", in this context it should be taken as "most gifted"
("mais prendada" in Portuguese). "Judi" comes from the old Portuguese word
"judia" which meant "coat" (does not have this meaning any longer; nowadays
"judia" means a female jew, masculine being "judeu"). "Talhar" is also a
Portuguese word meaning "To cut out". So «Mhoji (or "Mhaka") matxi judi
talhar kori» is «Please cut out a coat for me». "Sinalak" = "As a token".
"Você quer ou não quer" means "Do you want or don't you?" "Per" comes from
the Portuguese "Pera" and, in Goa, means "guava". In the above Fr. Lourdino
version there is no «sang maka kitem ditoloi feti». But, in this sentence,
"feti", from the Portuguese "feitio", would, in this context, mean "labour
charges", "payment" («Sang maka kitem ditoloi feti» = «Tell me what you will
pay me»). The verses «Udir martai re uddieo, Cecil tujeo dhamun dhor go
mirieo» and «Bailean chandnem udelam, Cecil tujim dham gho zonelam» also are
not in Lourdino's book. I suppose "Udir" is actually "Undir". In this case,
«Undir martai uddio, Cecil tujeo damun dhor go mirio» would mean «Rats are
jumping, Cecilia keep tight your plaits» (probably "the plaits of your
skirt"), and «Bhailean chandnem udelam, Cecil tujim dhamp go zonelam» would
mean «The moon has risen outside, Cecilia close your windows».

Jorge

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[Goanet]RE: Goa as IT Hub

2005-08-12 Thread gerry ferns

Someone in Goa remarked that IT in Goa is MT!
Substantially this could turn out to be correct
considering the fact that the  hundreds and hundreds
of acres of land accquired by one of Goa' s numerous
dispensations went unutilised, and now there is talk
by some other responsible Govt functionaries about
biotechnology! To be candid even  D-Link which is the
most tom-tommed Company by the Goa Chamber of Commerce
and others like Nand Kamat,has recourse to "sweated"
labour. It is this aspect of wages that needs to be
highlighted whether it is IT, SEZ, Biotech, etc etc
etc. What is the use of business which uses abysmally
low wages as "competitive advantage". Ofcourse this
does not imply that wages comparable to those paid in
UK, USA must be paid in Goa. This would be an unfair
thing, but it must be ensured that a "fair wage" is
paid. It is suggested that wages in new-fangled
business models must be atleast 30 percent above the
currently prescribed "minimum wages" in Goa. This
would result in an even playing field for both LABOUR
and CAPITAL 
 




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