[Goanet]Re: India's controlled press.
I have in the past written on this topic. Even in India like in the USA, the press appears to be the State's nemesis. India claims to be a democracy and for a democracy to function, a free and independent press is a prerequisite. The strength of Western democracies rests on pillars, one of them being a free press. Highlighting the errors of the Government is the task of the opposition in parliament and the press in an ideal democracy. I had recently listened to an Australian Broadcasting broadcast on the gagging of the Press in India. I had sent the article to Fred and Joel to assist them in knowing the fact. India uses incentives to stifle journalists and today Bush in the US uses a cliché called 'embedded' to get the press to do his bidding and to stop the public from knowing the truth. Any failures of the War in Iraq have to be kept away from the minds of the public. Even Al Jazeera reporters have to be elliminated or silenced. The people have to be kept in the dark and then one goes on a spree waging an unjust war. This is a lesson learnt by the US from the Viet Nam war. The media was the main instrument (and demonstrations at home) that ended the war. I am unaware of the Tahelka affair and have been unable to understand this affair but I understand this was a Pandora's box opened by a journalist. The Government of India has created journalist colonies as in Goa to grant favours to pressmen for their co-operation in turning their heads the other way when the government misbehaves. Our earstwhile journo rarely speaks out against the misdeeds of the Goa Government. Rajan Narayan is a pukka Goan in the sense that he upholds the principles of good government. I have learnt that he is more Goan than a Goan and espouses Goa's cause and the principles of a free press. This has meant that he has had to criticise failures and individuals who are the cause. I understand that when he criticised the Goons who terrorised Goa, he was badly assaulted. A journalist whose name I cannot remember (Fernandes) who criticised Goa's goons and the Matka scam was badly assaulted and had to leave Goa and today lives abroad for his own safety. Goa's Chief Justice Nadkarni is ever willing to go to bat for these Goons. One of them has a mother who is a Member of the Legislative Assembly and she is dedicated in the freedom of her son who uses his muscle to see his mother elected. Rajan had withdrawn from active reporting for a while and since the coming to power of the BJP, one of the priorities of the government has been to stifle dissent and the media. It is good to learn that he has with his wife decided to branch out on his own. Will this enhance his security or if it will permit him to scrutinise the actions of the government in his new weekly, only time itself will tell. In the meantime Goa must undergo an unpredictable future and it's institutions specially the media will be silenced. I wish Rajan and Tara success in their dangerous mission. I commend Aiyres for standing up against the evils that beset Goa and Goans. It is a sad day for Goa and Goans of all walks of life. The government controls the air that the media breathe. Edgar Martins ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Re: Miguel & Dave...and 'charter thrash'
< My take 1) Miguel, if he did indeed ask David Futers not to visit Goa every year, is NOT justified in doing so. Nor in questioning Dave's or Marlon's contributions to Goa. He should have checked first. Both Dave's and Marlon's contributions to Goa are well recorded and appreciated. BUT ALSO.. 2) Marlon has no right to compare the relative contributions of Dave and Miguel to Goa and Goans. How can you compare one individual's contributions against another's, specially when you don't even know much about one of the individuals? Has Fred contributed more to Goa than Rajan Narayan? Has Marlon contributed more to Goa than Herman? Has Dr. Santosh Helekar done more for Goa than Uday Bhembre? These are stupid questions. We cannot compare. Also Marlon said to Miguel " ..more for Goa than you ever have or ever will." How can Marlon prophesize (?) what more Miguel will do for Goa? >> My take Marlon was comparing the contributions of both to date. Without delving into probabilities, it could be possible that Dave stops contributing to Goa and Miguel starts by being a philantropist. This is in the future and I will refrain from being prophetic. << 3) Maybe Fred is indeed pushing the discussion off track. Maybe it deserves to be taken off track before it becomes about personalities rather than issues. I believe that the average guy on the street here is not bothered about 'charter tourists' in general. It is the 'charter thrash' which is offensive. There are thousands of people who come in by the charters who are most welcome. The expat Goans who just use the flight facilities because they are cheaper. The wonderful people like Dave who give their time, talents and money for improving the lot of Goans. The researchers, cultural historians, nature lovers, birdwatchers, artists, business people, musicians And even the plain beachlovers, beer swillers, sunbathers and lazers around swimming pools. All these are most welcome. As long as they behave decently. But there are the others who I refer to as 'charter thrash'. They are slobs from the bottom of the barrel of British society. They are ill mannered rude and miserly. They spend precious zilch and bargain all the while. Their behaviour is atrocious and they seem to think that their skin colour and currency advantage makes them superior beings. >> My take is: The writer is doing exactly what he objects to in comparing individuals using the analogy of first two birds of the same flock and then different birds of different flocks. Words like Slobs, thrash, only inflames the will of the tourists. What criteria does Cecil use to differentiate between Charter tourists and Charter thrash. << They complain about everything. But yet they come back every year NOT because of any great love for Goa and Goans but only because they get the best value for their pounds here. And a little respect, which they would never have got in UK being the scum they are. >> My take: Here he is being judgemental. "They are trash and do not love Goa." How does he categorize them. The fact that they return to Goa indicates that they benefit from taking a trip to Goa. Many express the opposite view and I have met foreigners who indicate the worst of Goa's hospitality and refuse to return to Goa. Dave is different. In his so called thrash there could be many tourists of the calibre of Dave. How does he know that they get the best value for their pounds in Goa. I will presume the case of a drug adict. He finds Goa and its police lackadaisical and can be bought for a few ruppees. He is subsidizing the Goa Police who live like vermin or parasites or pimps on the avails of others. I wish he does not indicate that the grapes are sour. The Brits use this argument falsely. "Indians smell of curry", "They are cheap and do not spend money." Etc. They are envious of the industrious Indian. Even Idi Amin was, without putting himself in the shoes of an Indian who worked hard. << When the next big 'cheap' tourist destination opens up this 'charter thrash' will be there in a jiffy without a second thought to Goa. >> My take:Indians try to emigrate to Europe (including Portugal) travelling by cheap transport. They are willing to risk their lives just to be allowed entry. Many sponge on the social services and use false methods to collect unemployment benefits and welfare. Man is no different be he Brit or Indian. Many live just like the Kannadigas who live in Goa - many in one room. Some sleep in the day and work at night and others who work in the day use the same beds. Many will cook in their rooms clandestinely. << Then the cheap hoteliers will regret for having even entertained and pandered to them for short term and fragile benefits. >> My take: Show me a hotelier who is dissatisfied with a few ruppees which he would miss i
[Goanet]India's controlled press.
I have in the past written on this topic. India claims to be a democracy and for a democracy to function, a free and independent press is a prerequisite. The strength of Western democracies rests on the pillars, one of them being a free press. I had recently listened to an Australian Broadcasting broadcast on the gagging of the Press in India. I had sent the article to Fred and Joel to assist them in knowing the fact. India uses incentives to stifle journalists and today Bush in the US uses a cliché called embedded to get the press to do his bidding. Any failures of the War in Iraq has to be silenced. The people have to be kept in the dark and then one goes on a spree waging an unjust war. This is a lesson learnt by the US from the Viet Nam war. The media was the main instrument to see the war ended in this war. I am unaware of the Tahelka affair and have been unable to understand this affair but I understand this was a Pandora's box opened by a journalist. The Government of India has created journalist colonies as in Goa to grant favours to pressmen for their co-operation in turning their heads the other way when the government misbehaves. Rajan Narayan is a pukka Goan in the sense that he upholds the principles of good government. I have learnt that he is more Goan than a Goan and espouses Goa's cause and the principles of a free press. This has meant that he has had to criticise failures and individuals who are the cause. I understand that when he criticised the Goons who terrorised Goa, he was badly assaulted. A journalist whose name I cannot remember (Fernandes) who criticised Goa's goons and the Matka scam was badly assaulted and had to leave Goa and today lives abroad for his own safety. Goa's Chief Justice Nadkarni is ever willing to go to bat for these Goons. One of them has a mother who is a Member of the Legislative Assembly and she is dedicated in the freedom of her son who uses his muscle to see his mother elected. Rajan had withdrawn from active reporting for a while and since the coming to power of the BJP, one of the priorities of the government has been to stifle dissent and the media. It is good to learn that he has with his wife decided to branch out on his own. Will this enhance his security or if it will permit him to scrutinise the actions of the government in his new weekly, only time itself will tell. In the meantime Goa must undergo an unpredictable future and it's institutions specially the media will be silenced. I wish Rajan and Tara success in their dangerous mission. I commend Aiyres for standing up against the evils that beset Goa and Goans. It is a sad day for Goa and Goans of all walks of life. The government controls the air that the media breaths. Edgar Martins ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Niz-Goan as per George.
What would one call a Sikh who has been convicted in the Air India tragedy who claims that he 'never intended that the bomb he put together, to kill anyone'. It is purely bara baje logic from a turbine wearing person. I must remind Goa netters that this tragedy took the life of more persons, mainly of Indian origin, than any other in the history of aviation. Had the victims been US or British, this matter would have been solved long ago. The Canadian police have been incompetent in this matter and India ought to be subject to censure for not pressing the Canadian government to settle this matter. When a bomb is planted in Mumbai, Muslims are suspected and during and after the Golden Temple attack, suspicion pointed to the Sikh community and the Babra Khalsa which has recently been listed as a terrorist organisation. There is nothing to emulate from these characters. Edgar Martins ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Paulo Colaco and Goa
Goa was not part of a country called India for the simple reason a = country called India did not exist in 1510. At the most the Indian = sub-continent existed. But it was not a single well defined country = called India. -- This situation existed in many parts of the globe. Indonesia as a country was the creation of the Dutch. The islands of the archipelago were governed as seperate and independant entities. The Dutch joined them and split the island of Timor (which means East in Indonesian) with the Portuguese. Many African states as we see them today are creations of the exploiting West and this has caused immense suffering for various tribes. There are Somalis in Kenya's north, many Masai in Kenya while the majority are in Tanzania, The Ewe's split between Ghana and Togo, etc. The situation of the Southern Sudanese is very heart rending. Joined to the Arab and Muslim north, they have been exploited by the North, enslaved and converted forcibly to Islam. Children are captured and sold even outside the country and for those who are ignorant of slavery and feel that this has ended, it would be a shock to them to know that Southern Sudanese kids are sold to oil magnates in the ME. Kuwait is a creation of the Brits and is younger than Chevron - about 50 years ago. Ir was carved from Iraq and the Iraqis have tried to do what India did to Goa on two occasions. Ifni, South of Morrocco (I think called Rio de Oro under Spanish sovereignty) was vacated by Spain, occupied by Morrocco and over which Algeria and Morrocco have fought. The UN has attempted to mediate this dispute without success. Rich in Potash (used in the fertilizer industry) it is a cause of conflict between the Polisario and the Moroccan army. Then there is South America where recently Equador and Peru fought for border areas. The Vatican recently mediated a dispute between Chile and Argentina over the borders. The border between Guyana and Venezuela is in dispute too. The West has been mischievous in it's dealings with other countries including their own. They have practically redrawn the map of the world to suit them. And the greatest land grabbers are the US (confreres of the British) who after dispossessing the natives of America, grabbed huge areas from Mexico, France and Russia (Alaska) and went to War against Iraq for trying to recover stolen property (Kuwait). Russia today is smaller than under the USSR which was expanded as a result of Russian Imperialism. If Goa had vital mineral resources, oil (synonymous with vital interests) history would have taken a different turn. I agree with Paulo Colaco about the difference between Macau's status vis-a-vis China and Goa's to adjoining land masses. Whether some opinionated Goans would understand his assertions is difficult to gauge. One does not need a PHd to understand simple history. Before the advent of the computer more people were hung by their tongues than by a rope. Today they do it using the net. I look at this earth as a dog who is infested with fleas - no flea owns the dog but they fight for its ownership. They too have strategic interests and I wonder if they demarcate territory by urinating on the dogs body while sucking it's blood. Man is no different from a blood sucker. Edgar Martins ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Come one, come all to the USA
This is sincere advice and not the title of a song. I reproduce from Time Magazine a ticklish piece of information. California is in the midst of a ver un-democratic re-election for Governor. A approved proposition (I wish this was the case in Goa) permits people to sign up demanding a recall and an election is soon to be held. Among the candidates is one called Black-Nigger (never though that they could come in different shades. He went to America and built up his muscles and got roles in Films. One candidate, who suffers from affluenza, is called Arriana Huffington is also a candidate. $771 is the amount of Federal Tax paid in the past two years by Ms. Huffington, a political commentator and Calif. gubernatorial candidate who frequently rails against corporate "fat Cats". $7 million (US) is the value of her home in Los Angeles Brentwood. This (though not Goa related) is to inform Goans living in the US to increase exponentially the value of their homes to millions and pay less taxes. Expressly meant for Lenny Menezes who lives in the US and feels that this is the ideal place to live in. I agree. I pay more taxes to the government though my house is not worth a tenth of the value of Arriana's house. Edgar Martins ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Re: For all Indians
DR. APJ Abdul Kalaam's speech in Hyderabad." A must read for every Indian. >>"I have three visions for India.In 3000 years of our history, people from >>all over the world have come and invaded us, captured our lands, conquered >>our minds. From Alexander onwards. The Greeks, the Turks, the Moguls, the >>Portuguese, the British, the French, the Dutch, all of them came and looted >>us, took over what was ours. Yet we have not done this to any other nation. >>We have not conquered anyone.We have not grabbed their land, their culture, >>and their history and tried to enforce our way of life on them. Why? >>Because >>we respect the freedom of others. That is why my first vision is that of >>FREEDOM. I believe that India got its first vision of this in 1857, when we >>started the war of independence. It is this freedom that we must protect >>and >>nurture and build on. If we are not free, no one will respect us.My second >>vision for India is DEVELOPMENT.For fifty years we have been a developing >>nation. It is time >> we see ourselves as a developed nation. We are among top 5 nations of >>the world in terms of GDP. We have 10 percent growth rate in most areas. >>Our >>poverty levels are falling. Our achievements are being globally recognized >>today. Yetwe lack the self-confidence to see ourselves as a >>developednation, >>self- reliant and self-assured. Isn't this incorrect? I have a THIRD >>vision. India must stand up to the world. Because I believe that, unless >>India stands up to the world, no one will respect us. Onlystrength respects >>strength. We must be strong not only as a military power but also as an >>economic power. Both must gohand-in-hand. My good fortune was to have >>worked >>with three great minds. Dr. Vikram Sarabhai of the Dept. of space, >>Professor >>Satish Dhawan, who succeeded him and Dr.Brahm Prakash, father of nuclear >>material. I was lucky to have worked with all three of themclosely and >>consider this the great opportunity of my life. I see four milestones in >>my >>career: Twenty years I >> spent in ISRO. I was given the opportunity to be the project director for >>India's first satellite launch vehicle, SLV3. The one that launched Rohini. >>These years played a veryimportant role in my life of Scientist. After my >>ISRO years, I joined DRDO and got a chance to be the part of India's guided >>missile program. It was my second bliss whenAgni met its mission >>requirements in 1994. The Dept. of Atomic Energy and DRDO had this >>tremendouspartnership in the recent nuclear tests, on May 11 and 13. This >>was the third bliss. The joy of participating with my team inthese nuclear >>tests and proving to the world that India can make it, that we are no >>longer >>a developing nation but one of them. It made me feel very proud as an >>Indian. The fact that we have nowdeveloped for Agni a re-entry structure, >>for which we have developed this new material. A very light material called >>carbon-carbon. One day an orthopedic surgeon from Nizam Institute of >>MedicalSciences visited my laboratory. He lifted the material and found it >>so light that he took me to his hospital and showed me hispatients. There >>were these little girls and boys with heavymetallic callipers weighing over >>three Kg. each, dragging their feet around. He said to me: Please remove >>the >>pain of my patients. In three weeks, we made these Floor reaction Orthosis >>300-gram calipers and took them to the orthopedic center. The >>childrendidn't >>believe their eyes. From dragging around a three kg. Load on their legs, >>they could now move around! Their parents had tears in their eyes. That was >>my fourth bliss! Why is the media here so negative? Why are we in India >>soembarrassed to recognize our own strengths, our achievements? We are such >>a great nation.We have so many amazing success stories but we refuse to >>acknowledge them. Why? We are the first in milk production. We are number >>one in Remote sensing satellites. We are the second largest producer of >>wheat. We are the second largest producer of rice. Look at Dr. >>Sudarshan; >>he has transferred the Tribal village into a self-sustaining, self-driving >>unit. There are millions of such achievements but our media is only >>obsessed >>in the bad news andfailures and disasters. I was in Tel Aviv once and I was >>reading the Israeli newspaper. It was the day after a lot of attacks and >>bombardments and deaths had taken place.The Hamas had struck. But the front >>page of the newspaper had the picture of a Jewish gentleman who in five >>years had transformedhis desert land into an orchid and a granary. It was >>thisinspiring picture that everyone woke up to. The glory details of >>killings, bombardments, deaths, were inside in the newspaper,buried among >>other news. In India we only read about death, sickness, terrorism, crime. >>Why are we so NEGATIVE? Another question: Why are we, as a nation >>soobsessed >>with foreign
Re: [Goanet]Re: Your recent posting[Scanned]
You should not be afraid of hurtting me. Arre dukracher udok udoishi, taka kainch lagonam. Water on a pig does not do any harm. Take care and good wishes. Edgar Martins ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Re: Who is a Goan
Nationality and Goanness are not subject to definitions and using a dictionary by Pundits is a waste of time. Whether one is born in Goa, speaks Konkani or has parents who hail from Goa is immaterial. To claim to be attached to a certain place, country or nationality is useless if those persons who also claim that nationality do not accept you in cases where they have authority to deprive the individual of the nationality/priveleges he/she claims. I claim to be a Goan even though I was not born in Goa. But if Goans do not accept me as a Goan, it matters little. O can claim to be an Indian and no one can deny me this claim. I can claim to be Chinese or Tibetan. It is my birthright to claim any nationality. But if I am rejected by the Chinese or by the Tibetans, it is of no consequence unless I need recognition of these governments. Look into all the dictionaries or almanacs. It matters little and those Pundits that try to define who is a Goan can jump in the lake. I am a Goan even if I wear a turbine on my head and am called Daljit Singh. Who cares if you do not consider Dalgit a Goan. He does not need your definitions.This is true unless I need your recognition and apply for it. Edgar Martins ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]BS on Goanet
I will attack one snake at a time. I admire the tenacity of Bernardo and Rui and even though I donot agree with them, I defend their right to deflect the insults and barbs they undergo especially the insults of our pundit or wise PHd. Some strutt along the cybernet catwalk wiggling their behinds and while doing so, throw bits of their egotistic mindset. I do not need toknow someone whois instructed and possesses a PHd but someone who is educated,knows how todiscourse especially with his fellowmen and have the capacity of swaying the mind of his adversary. But this gentleman pontificates (because he has a PHd) and because he has a flower seller in Goa and a beer drinker in the UK to back him up even though he contorts the postings of goanetters. Kindly fellow Goans observe him carefully. I would like to knowif he dreams in colour. He suggests that Goans do what he has done. Return to suffer in a hell hole.I like many Goans like Coisorro who lives in Portugal with a Portuguese wife close to Cascais feels that he cannot live in a country where: 1:Children prostitute themselves in Baina 2: Where cows are found dead from eating plastic and are left dead by the roadside for days before being removed. 3: Where rape of children is not dealt with severely. 4: Where poroperty rights of Goans is not respected. So much litigation to recover ones defrauded assets. Even a tree belongs to everyone. 4: Where Ali Baba and 40 thieves rule theroost. 5: Where crime and corruption are rampant. 6: Where an Indian passport is not worth thepaper it is written on. 7: Where the driving habits and rule of law aretotally ignored. 8:Where the resolution of a simple crime takes infinity and whose judiciary iscorrupt and incompetent. I have travelled the world and am practical. I found Portugal a very nice place to live in and Cascais the best place in Portugal. Food is good, the people friendlier though they do not possess PHds and what can I say about the weather. The Brits colonised many places and though I have lived there, I can inform that beer drinker that I'd rather bein hell than in Britain. And now to you Pundit PHd. Please deal with my posting lineby line and do not quoteme out of context as is your habit. When you have stopped your pontification I willtackle the other snake. You do not have a licence to insult others. You are vulnerable Brutus for like Achilles you have a heel. Andyou were dipped into the river Styx but in the Mandovi whose waters in Mapusa are polluted. Edgar Martins ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Goa's social indicators
And what kind of liberation is this when an alien government takes over a territory by force, imposes their law and does not even care for the population's opinion? (ever!). Very good democracy indeed. And of course, almost the same happened in all the other princely states just after 1947. But at least in those states, the respective maharaja's were "democratically" forced (or shall I say persuaded) to sign the instruments of accession and merger (with perhaps the exception of Kashmir who never signed the instrument of merger). In Goa, we were not even given the choice (before or after 1961). It would have been nice to have been given the choice after 1961. I would have expected at least that from the so called largest democracy of the world. And please, do not try to convince me we were all Indians in Goa anyway and that India existed as a country for a million years so Goa should have been also given back to India. We were all Indians just like the Pakistanis were all Indians! So, why don't we call them Indians too? As for the country we now call the Republic of India, it is nothing else but a post-British period invention with 56 years now. And Goa, was never before a part of it! =20 Lastly, Miguel, in future, please talk for yourself. I cannot remember anyone asking you to represent all of us Goans in this forum. You certainly do not represent me. I respect your opinion but we are all different individuals and certainly have different ideas. Like Rui, I am here to discuss my opinions, not to advice anyone. BTW, will I ever have the pleasure of knowing your surname? Is it Braganca? Or are you too ashamed of your Portuguese surname to mention it? =20 No cheers today! Paulo Colaco Dias === I must add to the above the case of the Nizam of Hyderabad who chose to seccede from the Indian Union or to remain independant. He was served an ultimatum and invaded by the Indian Army. Valhabhai Patel was behind this move and Nehru encouraged the take over. Today, Hyderabad is divided and the Nizam is a nontity. India's politics have been duplicitious. Nehru spoke and endorsed panchasilla, one of whose tenets were to respect Goa's teritorial integrity. Nehru was two faced. The incident that led to India invading Goa was created by India. India does not permit people from other states to buy land in Kashmir and in disputed Assamese areas but in Goa, its free for all. Goans are being duped and defrauded of their land and they deserve this. Like Bandra and Santa Cruz in Mumbai, Goans will be outsiders in Goa. Mark my word. As per the above, Miguel distorts the postings by others to justify falsehoods. It is a pity that he only has one PHd and not more. Edgar Martins ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Despicable moronic babble.
It is incredible that one Miguel, who claims to possess a PhD, inflicts on goanet readers his obsenities by abusing Bernardo who has all the right to maintain a political point of view. I have very little respect for persons who feel that they can villify others instead of convincing them that they are in error. Does this character possess more than one PHd? Can any netter throw some light on the number of PHd's that Christ possessed? And yet he was, reputed to enter into debate with the his Yiddish compatriots and intelligencia. I agree with Tim De Mello who expresses the view of the 'silent majority'. I would reccomend to goa netters to ignore the barbs of such characters and maintain your ground. The Fundacao I know have contributed to embellishing Goa's heritage buildings like painting the police headquarters. They have funded many worthwhile projects and artistts. But some are like donkeys who express their gratitude by belching. We are subjected to a comparison of the Fundacao to a whore. The pimp is equated to the whore. I repeat, I have no respect for such vile creatures. And for our earstwhile journalist who has in the past condemned persons and their views like those expressed by Bernardo to please the authorities in Goa and then plead for understanding I must say, his attitude displays cowardice. Goanet was a very pleasant forum some years ago and I can remember enjoying the opinions of many goanetters. Bickering and recriminations have forced many to quit. I live in a Western city where nearly 20,000 Goans live and it is sad that only about a half dozen of them take any interest in this forum. Our bankers, flower sellers, administratiors and PHd's are all hell bent on driving away goanet's members and monopolise the discussions. Nero, who created this forum is probably playing the fiddle. Good luck Terminator and hope that you succeed where others have failed. As I have been inflicted over and above with the recent power failure, the virus and my absence from my domicile, I have been unable to participate in these worthless discussions. Sometimes it is better to sit on a hill and see lions fight. Here we see gladiators torment a Goan who feel that his allegiance lies with the Lusitanians. God bless him. Edgar Martins ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]No Punditry here.
There was this report on TV yesterday, about the proposal for a pipeline from Kirkuk to Haifa in Israel, via Jordan. Well, I think the Bush team miscalculated a lot of things while going in to Iraq. All the contracts for rebuilding of the Oil industry had already been allotted, well before the war started. The war ended rather quickly, but the insurgency and lawlessness has made it impossible for the American companies to even step into Iraq. The likes of Cheney, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz thought they were the smartest folks in the world. The vacuum created by Saddam's brutal police, is hard to fill for the American troops. All along the US has said that they have 35 coalition partners in Iraq. Last week, the Poles packed their bags, after the attack on UN. Nobody wants casualties. I think the Indian government was smart enough in not getting involved. And now one hears the US and UK talking about UN involvement!! Blair is in trouble because of falsifyiing the WMD intelligence and also read about the Australian government being under pressure. The US, UK and Australia were the 3 main countries, of the so-called 35 strong coalition. If Iraq did have WMD, the coalition better find it NOW! Wonder if Saddam could himself find them, if his regime was still in power. Most of the MIGs and Mirages hidden in the sand are now good for only the museums. Nagesh Bhatcar == The US and its leader are like fools who rush in where angels feared to thread. They are in a quagmire now and want others to help bring back Iraq to pre-war levels. Thay will however not relinquish their leadership and they deserve to stand on their own feet. India has been contemplating or expected to send 17,000 soldiers there where they could rub shoulders with their Pakistani counterparts. I feel that India should stay out but India may fall for the lucre that sending its jawans to Iraq will bring. An Indian soldier will receive a bonus that will be shared with the Indian Government who will stand to benefit. Besides, they will be admitted to the weapons club -free to buy F 16s and smart bombs. They have already allied themselves with Israel who have promiased to help India's weapon industry. Now, is the time when the Russians could get their revenge by supplying arms to the Iraqi rebels just like the US did in Afganistan. God Bless America and its nefarious activities. Edgar Martins ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Re: Posting by Laxman Saval
Laxman like many on Goa net who pander to individuals have muddied the issue about criticism of Fred. In the first case, Fred posted an article regarding Sikhs and their international achievements. I objected to this as it as goanet requests its members to stick to the subject of Goa. I do not subscribe to Sikh-net. He does in a subtle manner admit to his misleading posting. Goans cannot be compared to Sikhs as we do not possess the tools that they have access to. I contend that Fred is a very hard worker and renders goanet a mighty service but in doing so, he ignores the problems facing Goans and does not suggest any remedies to Goan political situations. The reasons are that he does not wish to lock horns with the political bosses in Goa. Aiyres Rodrigues often does what Fred should. Kindly read the trend of postings. I too know Fred and have been to his place. I appreciate his services. I was only exposing the corrupt state of affairs in Goa, its banking and political machinations. No one was asked to solve a problem that is outside their capacity. But Goans as usual have caught the bull by the tail. Edgar Martins Message: 10 Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 12:22:02 +0300 From: Laxman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Goanet]Fred's delayed response. To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear All, I had been watching Fred bashing too just like Floriano mentioned. As a kid I stayed in Monte De Guirim bordering Sangolda for study purpose and often passed Fred’s house Cycling. Though Fred's house is so close and Saligao was the walking distance, I did not know Fred then. It is through Goa Net that I met Fred. His writings itself speak the level of knowledge and understanding on the subject. Some may criticize that Fred is posting extract from various newspapers, but these extracts are very useful to enhance our knowledge too. Through various interaction that along with my family we met Fred in March last year, when we went down to Goa on holidays. Fred is a very warm and friendly person. My son enjoyed in his company and had high regards for him. People who are not in the Information Technology will not realize how valuable asset we have for Goa. As a person from IT Field , I have seen Fred’s posting for ILUG Goa and Computer Society of India and various other groups in the Middle East too. He had been doing research too which very few notice. His contributions are enormous for GoaNet. Besides this, his contributions are there elsewhere which I do not know. Those who claim to know him and still criticize him ought to think twice. Best Regards Laxman Sava >> ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Re: Correction of false statements
An answer to Miguels posts. I am copying a part of his e-mail written sometime ago. You have just written an apology regarding the money that Fundacao Oriente and their link to gambling casinos. I am no dud and want him to know that gypsum is alkaline and not acidic. It will raise the ph value of the soil if used. Dear Goanetters, There is a thing called 'appropriate technology'. Farmers in the interior districts of Maharashtra and Karnataka apply gypsum to their fields. If you apply gypsum in Goa it will spell disaster. Their soils are alkaline,our soils are acidic. Putting roof-top water in the well makes sense in arid and transitional regions where the wells never get full. In the land where we celebrate Sao Joao by jumping in the wells full to the brim,where is the sense in putting the roof-top water in the well ? Very limited benefit may exist if this is done in late September,if the water level in the well goes down. Otherwise it will be like trying to fill an overflowing pot.Futile. A well does not depend directly on the rain water but on the water table. A well that is disconnected from the water table goes dry partly due to evaporation and usage. Filling the well with rainwater replenishes the water table (it rises) and this rise helps wells connected to this water table. Rain water falling on the earth runs into streams, culverts and then goes to the rivers and then to the sea. To replenish the wells, water must seep into the ground and will then raise the water table connecting it to the wells. In the monsoons, the wells get full as the springs connecting the well water to the water table are very fine and the well water does not seep fast enough into the water table. After the rains, the water level in the well falls rapidly to level with the well water. Put a bucket with a hole in the bottom in a tank full of water and bring the hole beneath the level of the water in the tank. Here we see the bucket filling up with water depending on the depth of the bucket via-a-vis the water in the tank. As the water in the tank decreases, the water in the bucket also decreases to the level of the water in the tank. When rain water goes into a well, we have a reverse action. Regarding bicycle paths in Panjim (Panaji) your suggestion is a pipe dream. You are living in Hell, and you ought to get used to the fire. Goans do not have pavements or foot paths, let aside cycle tracks. Maybe in the next world. Parrikar will build beautiful islands at the main junctions of Panjim but he will not have the water to see the plants and flowers grow. Edgar Martins >> ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Re: Response to a deranged netter. For your laughing pleasure.
> The Indian Government like most Governments specially the US, is very > sensitive to Journalists exposing in the media their corrupt practices. Journalists are intimidated in India and some have disappeared when they > have been too bold. Our Frederico knows the perils if he steps out of line > (in a democracy). Response: I fully agree, so what would you have Fred do ? Disregard the fact that he is a family man and above all a father of two young children, would you, that he put them aside to chase glory, and perhaps employment martyrdom, To put your million rupees above his life and that of his family? >Let me ask Fred to investigate Crores of Ruppes deposited fraudulently > by the EDC and the Housing Board in one of Goa's most corrupt Banks, the > Centurion Bank. With middle-men involved in this scam, money is borrowed to the > extent of the deposit in crores thereby eliminating all risks. The difference in > interest earned and interest paid is shared by the Bank and the middle man > who in turn shares this with the Goa Government. The Goa Government has made a > determined and sinister attempt to embezzle its citizens. Response: You should do that, just months ago you were extolling the virtues of the C.M our very own .I.I.T. Please send him an email and copy it to goanet so that we can all get totally involved and immersed in the proceedings. > I was defrauded by this bank and another individual using forged > signitures while out of India. When I approached Parrikar, he asked the Police to > investigate the matter. When the Police arrested one Bansilal Shetcar, Manager > of the Mapusa Branch, Mr. Parrikar (I was informed by the police) was > approached by the Bank. He in turn requested the Police to release the Manager. Is > this not double dealing? Response: Wow! you, who knows it all, was actually taken for a jolly ride? Christmas or Divali came early to someone. You claim that you are a bull terrier, so please don't ask for help from the likes of Fred. I have a Japanese Akita and I can tell you that many a bull terrier has ended up badly mauled at the vets. Incidentally my dog is always on the lead it's the other dogs ( bull terrriers) that fancy their luck. Shri Manohar Parrikar is the greatest C.M. that Goa has ever seen, if Solomon wasn't there then he would have been Solomon! Anyone who disagrees with me kindly post your remarks on this site, pronto! Lastly please do not send any email directly to me. This time round I shall be reporting any abuse to my local Police station. In due course the Canadian Bounties will show up at your door. Anything you wish to state please do it through this forum. Maybe you are grumpy because you lost a million Rupees, I would have been inconsolable, and Stella my beloved blonde would have taken her toll on me! Thanks in advance, Gabe Menezes Utter nonsence and irrelevent garbage. Exposes your type. You have not been asked to help. Read my mail which I wrote very slowly as I know you cannot read too fast. "When one argues with ones inferiors one convinces them of only one thing: they are as cleaver as you". Edgar Martins >> ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Re: Cowardice
In a message dated 8/19/03 1:07:50 PM Pacific Daylight Time, EdgarStmartins writes: << << Okay, Edgar. Now we're coming to the point. Because you lost a million rupees in that particular bank, you expect a journalist to do an investigator's job? I don't think you have told this forum all the details of this transaction you discussed when seeking my earlier help on how to get in touch with the banking Ombudsman in Mumbai or Delhi. >> EM:You are off at a tangent Fred. Read my posting again please. I have stated that I can sustain the loss of the embezzled sum. I will however always use the fraud perpetrated on me by Indians (a common fact in India), the banking sector and the judicial process in Goa to warn others. If I requested you for the address (and you have an elephant's memory) it was because I had considered you as a person who had kept all these minute details and e-mail addresses and had indicated them on goa net. That you bring up such a minor point exposes your mentality. << Who was really responsible for the fraud? Did you place undue faith in your chartered accountant, by giving him your chequebook? Who actually forged the signature? Was some bank insider involved, and did he do it with the knowledge of his higher ups or just of his own? Was the bank itself directly responsible as you have loosely insinuated -- if so, how? Here again you go off at a tangent. You are not being asked to fight my battle. You have enough in your plate. Re-read my posting to realise that you are not being asked to recover the money as you are not capable of doing so and neither have I sought the intercession of another. >> Why do you concentrate on a matter that you can do nothing about? Furthermore I was only citing an example of a matter you are aware of. I want you to emancipate yourself and stop attacking others for being pro-Portuguese just because you score points with the Goa police. When did you last criticize the police or politicians. << Agreed, the Indian justice and police-detection system can be notoriously slow. Why drag in a journalist just because you encounter one on a mailing list? >> EM: It is incredible that you are not concentrating on the issue but detracting from it. Those that write praising you, do not even care to know the issue. You re-produce something about the Sikhs which is irrelevent to the Goan psyche. The GoaNet has a policy to stick with issues relating to Goa and you as a Administrator ought to know the rules. I objected to this and you have left the Sikh issue and made it a sick issue with those like Cecil, Ribeiro and Teotonio writing your praises. You waste more time reproducing stuff from other sourses and spend less time on the issues relating to the Goan community. I would not like to place you in a situation where the Police (David Lalrinsinga) calls you in to warn you about siding with people like Bernardo and pro-Portuguese elements. You are playing a game and unwilling to take on the Goan authorities. The Indian Judicial and police system are not only slow, they are at the mercy of the highest bidder. I have given you an example. The crook in Goa has a vote, I don't. The crook damages Goa's reputation and I am being asked as an NRI to mend it. Ha! Ha! If you feel intimidated make room for another person. Become an engineer Fred. You cannot help me with defrauded funds and please concentrate on exposing the system. << You can afford to write loosely via the Net, knowing fully well that you could get away with slander or defamation. >> EM: Since when is slander or defamation (which is illegal) become a synonym for truth? Move out from Hell Fred. You were born in Brazil and your Pa is called Braziliero. If you were intelligent, you would not live where the police keep an eye on you and the Government offers you benefits in the Journalists Colony. Stop playing games and have some guts. << Re "Bernado" Colaco, we can as well forget a faked identity, created to rake up a particular point of view. By now, many of the old-timers can easily detect who is an 'artificial person', created for the special purpose of tail-twisting. You only need to refer to the current postings on the various Goa fora to understand who's behind pushing the handful of arguments that keep repeating. Sometimes, one needs to give others a long rope to hang themselves >> EM: Is your wife faking her identity by avoiding her married name? Hilary Clinton uses her maiden name but also the name of her husband. I again ask you to disect what Bernardo writes and not HIM. You are following in the footsteps of Miguel who hits the messenger like a coward instead of the message. Its is immaterial as to where Bernardo is based a
[Goanet]Re: Goanet digest, Vol 1 #358 - 15 msgs
In a message dated 8/18/03 11:16:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Dear Goanetters, I do not know if a Salazar apologist qualifies to be a judge of journalism in Goa. A bigot cannot judge without bias, this I firmly believe. That rules out Bernado Colaco from any jury, even self-appointed ones that are becoming rather too common on Goanet. I do not know who Edgar StMartin is.Is he an 'American On Line' or a non-resident Goan or a foreign national of Goan origin and of what vintage. Bernado is confused about when he was born and has not yet decided on a birth date. I wish him Godspeed in this task. Why do Edgar Martins and Bernado Colaco 'not take on the Goa Government on corrupt practices.' as they would want Fred to. If they can judge the quality of a journalist,they must lay claim to being superior in that profession. A primary school teacher does not evaluate a Ph.D thesis ! The Goa Chief Ministers email ID is [EMAIL PROTECTED] . It has been mentioned on Goanet before. Let these self proclaimed Journalists use it to their heart's content and cc to Goanet to let us know what they are capable of. Otherwise,they can apologise to Fred ...or just shut up! Et tu Brute? Prove yourself. Regards, Miguel = This new kid on the block is trying to judge others who call on question the nonsence about Sikhs and Freds inability as a journalist to call on question the machinations of the Goa Government. I have been on goanet for longer than this kid and have often criticized the Goa Government. I have publicly done so when I spoke at the Kala Academy in December 2002. I have never been afraid to take on another netter or any Government official. Miguel ought to be superior to Bernado or I to judge us. I do not agree with Bernardo and have communicated on his pro-Portuguese stance but I will do everything to safeguard his democratic right to say what he wishes and to his preference for any dictator. This is the joy of democracy which you are attemppting to stiffle. Yes I am on line - a fishing line, fishing for those that write nonsence and feel that they are some people of importance. Bernardo is of 1955 vintage and his date of birth is of very little importance. You ought not to consider him like you do a bottle of wine. And my posts are signed 'Edgar Martins' which your sight has overlooked. Goanet has many who are not Goans and many who are Goans. Some are opinionated agricultural pundits who pontificate like empty vessels. Thanks for your advice Miguel. Could you please shut up. Edgar Martins ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Re: Fred's delayed response.
The Indian Government like most Governments specially the US, is very sensitive to Journalists exposing in the media their corrupt practices. As per the Australian Broadcasting Corp., they have created Journalist Colonies all over India to cater to the comforts of those who could stir up public sentiments. One in Goa exists behind the Sai Garage in Porvorim (where the Housing Board exists). Journalists are intimidated in India and some have disappeared when they have been too bold. Our Frederico knows the perils if he steps out of line (in a democracy). Let me ask Fred to investigate Crores of Ruppes deposited fraudulently by the EDC and the Housing Board in one of Goa's most corrupt Banks, the Centurion Bank. With middle-men involved in this scam, money is borrowed to the extent of the deposit in crores thereby eliminating all risks. The difference in interest earned and interest paid is shared by the Bank and the middle man who in turn shares this with the Goa Government. The Goa Government has made a determined and sinister attempt to embezzle its citizens. I was defrauded by this bank and another individual using forged signitures while out of India. When I approached Parrikar, he asked the Police to investigate the matter. When the Police arrested one Bansilal Shetcar, Manager of the Mapusa Branch, Mr. Parrikar (I was informed by the police) was approached by the Bank. He in turn requested the Police to release the Manager. Is this not double dealing? Could Fred investigate this using the Freedom of Information act? The finances of the EDC and the Housing Board which are Corporations ought to be accessible to the public to investigate their nefarious machinations. Your response Fred is very contradictory. I know you work hard to post and administer goanet but the fruits of your labours are yet to be acknowledged. Fred, please look under 'N' in your dictionary for the meaning of nonsence. Throughout my life, I have observed the Sikhs in Africa and in many countries. These are these are a people who are very hard working, use bombs to blow our planes and kill innocents and number about 10 million. Thanks to Goa, I do not have to wear a turbine on my head and kill an Indian Prime Minister. We Goans who number just a bit more than a million cannot be expected to rival the Sikhs. No Goan would have the guts to take on the Indian Government like the Sikhs. They were used by the British to fight other Indians. In Bangkok they number over 20,000. In that city there could be 2 Goans pushing pens there. Edgar Martins The word 'nonsence' doesn't exist in my dictionary. > (On the other hand, > the word 'nonsense' does. Like all failable human > beings, I do plead > guilty of probably putting out more than a fair > share of this... ) > > Yes, I too see myself as a mediocre journalist (if > not a hack). But > perhaps you can't grude me the credit for being a > hardworking one, i.e. a > hardworking mediocre journalist. > > However, the point one was trying to make below > simply is, if Punjabis can > have books on their diaspora, then surely Goans -- > who have been migrating > for many decades, if not centuries -- have stories > to tell in print. As a matter of detail, I seldom if ever forward beyond-Goa stories from > The Asian Age. You must be referring to the > Indo-Asian News Service, > which again am guilty of sending out, whenever it > seems to be relevant to > at least some of the readers of Goanet. Thanks for your feedback anyway. FN > PS: Sorry for a delayed reply, for explainable > reasons... ;-) ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Re: Fraudulent medical practitioners.
In a message dated 8/16/03 6:08:59 AM Pacific Daylight Time, EdgarStmartins writes: << << Hi, Never trust the Doctors they are butchers, u r better off going to the tailor. Moidekars are not mad after all. Joe. >> With due respect to Jose Colaco, Santosh and to our oncologist, Gilbert. I partially agree with the above wrt most doctors who are in my opinion equivalent to drug pushers and who are money conscious. They are so busy that they live in a world of their own. They are opinionated and consider themselves erudite. Note their language as they speak and write as if they are in a pulpit or on a pedestal. Please note that I am not referring to every doctor but to most. Very few have time for improving their general knowledge. The Democratic front runner is an exception. At twelve, they say, Christ debated with Doctors and Scribes. Today, Doctors have no time for debating and would rather pontificate. Aspirin for example has its origins in alternative medicine. Malaria found an initial cure in Peru and the Quinona Tree which was used to manufacture Quinine till synthetic drugs were introduced. Even today, I will venture to write that Quinine is more efficient as a cure than Chloroquine and nivaquine. Many plants have been known to cure mans ills. Amerindians cured the white man of his scurvy and our Goan Pundits cured many a Portuguese with herbal and ayurvedic portions when the only cure the European knew was bleeding a patient at the hands of a barber. I have just read a book by Josip Gabre on How I beat Cancer. He was told that he had papilliary transitional cell carcinoma Grade III/IV with the invasion of sub-mucosa and smoothe mussle. Bacillus Calmette Guerin was inserted into his bladder, he claims, and he ended up worse than before. He lost his bladder and was told that his cancer had spread. He cured himself with Taheebo Tea which is a tree from Chile.Could Gilbert explain the role of BCG in curing bladder cancer. Mr. Gabre claims that the BCG damaged irreversibly his bladder which had to be extracted. When Medics cannot cure a person, why should he not look for a cure in alternate medication or even in prayer and miracles? Doctors should admit the efficacity of herbal drugs and not ask for scientific proof of its operation. One is only interested in the cure before he can ask questions. When a glass, some cotton and a match was used to extract pain in a procedure call VENTOS when I was a kid, I never asked my grandmother proof of its efficacity as the pain was uppermost in my mind. I personally seek the advice of doctors before I drink some strange infusions. I do this as a last resort. Most doctors are frauds whose main objective is money and the interests of the patient are secondary. Finding an honest and conscientious doctor today is like finding a nugget of gold in the Mandovi. This is also true with those who practice alternative medicine. We live in a very strange world where the media and opinions play a strong influence on our minds. Edgar Martins ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Re:
In a message dated 8/16/03 5:30:01 AM Pacific Daylight Time, EdgarStmartins writes: << << > > Blasphemy died more than 300 years ago in the civilized and free world. > Not really. People still continue to abuse other religions, even in this free and civilized world. -- Tariq Siddiqui [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Blasphemy has not died in the Islamic world. Any reference to a charlatan that is not acceptable to the Mullahs is tantamount to death. Note the case of a young illiterate boy called Masih who was accused of writing something derogatory against Mohammed the so-called prophet. He faced execution in Pakistan where the Christian minority is undergoing a similar treatment that Jews experienced under the holocaust. Massih, a Christian, it was discovered, was so illiterate that he could not write and he was accused of slandering Mohammed in written notes. This was done definitely by a Muslim to falsely accuse Massih who faced death. I am not certain of his fate and I think he was exhonorated due to external pressure and now lives in Europe. And then there was Salman Rushdie and the Bengali, Taslima Nasrin who also lives abroad. I suggest that Goans read a very interesting book entitled 'The Clash of Civilizations and the remaking of world order' by Samuel Huntington where he writes about the Clash of Islam with the other civilizations (Hindu and Christian). A very interesting analysis of civilizations and of the future. It is a wonder how perverted democracy is permitting Muslims to abuse Christ while living in the West. Christ is free for all to bash but please do not refer to our prophet. Today I mourn the death of a benefactor referred to as the vilest creature born to a black mother and who took refuge in Saudi Arabia where he was inaccessible to the World Court and a guest of the Saudi Family. He helped many a Goan to reach the shores of America and Britain. We should thank this animal. Edgar Martins >> ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Re: Goanet digest, Vol 1 #351 - 12 msgs
In a message dated 8/16/03 12:01:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 9. Aug. The Guardian. Seaside snapshot: Bridlington, Yorkshire. Best restaurant: Sylvia de Souza's (01262 673210) High Street, Bridlington. A Goan restaurant, serving imaginative Anglo-Indian dishes at around UKP 6 per main course. For the brave, try the oxtail vindaloo (you can always cool it down with the coconut rice or yoghurt chutney). Also, check out Derek De Souza's Bridlington hotel at http://web.onetel.net.uk/~desouzashotel/ [bridlington_small.jpg] Click to enlarge A Goan restaurant that serves Oxtail vindaloo, cocoanut rice or Yogurt Chutney is not a Goan Restaurant. It could be run by a Goan but not for a Goan.
[Goanet]Re: Fraudulent medical practitioners.
In a message dated 8/16/03 12:01:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, Never trust the Doctors they are butchers, u r better off going to the tailor. Moidekars are not mad after all. Joe. With due respect to Jose Colaco, Santosh and to our oncologist, Gilbert. I totally agree with the above wrt most doctors who are in my opinion equivalent to drug pushers and money conscious. They are so busy that they live in a world of their own. They are opinionated and consider themselves erudite. Note their language as they speak and write as if they are in a pulpit or on a pedestal. Please note that I am not referring to every doctor but to most. Aspirin for example has its origins in alternative medicine. Malaria found an initial cure in Peru and the Quinona Tree which was used to manufacture Quinine till synthetic drugs were introduced. Even today, I will venture to write that Quinine is more efficient as a cure than Chloroquine and nivaquine. Many plants have been known to cure mans ills. Amerindians cured the white man of his scurvy and our Goan Pundits cured many a Portuguese with herbal and ayurvedic portions when the only cure the European knew was bleeding a patient at the hands of a barber. I have just read a book by Josip Gabre on How I beat Cancer. He was told that he had papilliary transitional cell carcinoma Grade III/IV with the invasion of sub-mucosa and smoothe mussle. Bacillus Calmette Guerin was inserted into his bladder, he claims, and he ended up worse than before. He lost his bladder and was told that his cancer had spread. He cured himself with Taheebo Tea which is a tree from Chile. Doctors should admit the efficacity of herbal drugs and not ask for scientific proof of its operation. When a glass, some cotton and a match was used to extract pain in a procedure call VENTOS when I was a kid, I never asked my grandmother proof of its efficacity as the pain was uppermost in my mind. I personally seek the advice of doctors before I drink some strange infusions. I do this as a last resort. Most doctors are frauds whose main objective is money and the interests of the patient are secondary. Finding a honest and conscientious doctor today is like finding a nugget of gold in the Mandovi. This is also true with those who practice alternative medicine. We live in a very strange world where the media and opinions play a strong influence on our minds. Edgar Martins
[Goanet]hE WHO KNOWS DOES NOT SPEAK, HE WHO SPEAKS DOES NOT KNOW
Where in the world does the writer live in? He writes sparingly and makes pronouncements about topics he least knows. Here one reads an impossibility. The culture of conserving water in catchment systems does not exist in Goa. This suggestion is an impossibility and just a cannard to create an extra hurdle in the construction of a hotel and to line the pockets of unscrupulous bureaucrats. In a place where structures are constructed close to the sea, where leaking septic tanks are built near a well and where he wants hotels to collect water under the floor is wishful thinking. Where would he want the septic tank to be built in a place that has no sewage system for collection and disposal? How long will water collected in a hotel underground reservoir last? Would hotel customers depend on this conserved volume or what has the hotel to do when the reservoir is empty? This topic is a serious one and ought to be tackled by those who know. His suggestion is a recipe for disaster to the hotel industry. Edgar Martins Response: The Government has to act and to act now. All new hotels being built should have planning permission approved only if they install large basements for holding water. Cheers. Gabe Menezes ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Re: Goanet digest, Vol 1 #341 - 15 msgs
In a message dated Wed, 13 Aug 2003 7:53:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, EdgarStmartins writes: >In a message dated 8/12/03 9:57:16 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > >> >> Au contraire! I said that jazz was probably popular in Bombay as people in >> Bombay were more tuned to music in English unlike Goans who appreciated >> Portuguese and Konkani music. The only jazz I heard was when my neighbor was >> trying to impress us village types with his rendition of Satchmo's 'What a >> wonderful world' on his wacky guitar! >> --Helga >> > I agree with Helga that Jazz was more appreciated in Mumbai than in >Goa as much as Jazz is more popular in the US than in Brazil where the >proportion of Blacks in the two countries is high. Even Brazilian Jazzmen like >Laurindo >Almeida, Jobin and Astrid and Carlos Gilberto had much exposure to Jazz >emanating from the US. > > Jazz in Mumbai had its roots in English Films (rarely seen in Goa) and >in the concerts (under the auspices of the US Information Services who wanted >Indians to know American Culture) held in Mumbai. I heard Jack Teagarden, Red >Nicols and Louis Armstrong in Mumbai and Dizzie Gilespie, Charlie Parker and >Quincey Jones in Karachi. These were held under the auspices of the US Embassy >and USIS. > > Portuguese music (like the Fado) though pleasant are incomparable to >Jazz. Listen to Cesaria Evora (who hails from Cabo Verde and lives in >Portugal) and you get a good idea of Portuguese melodies. Comparing the two styles of >music is like comparing apples and oranges. They are both excellent styles >depending on the listener. > > Jazz records were not easy to get in India and rare in Goa. >Furthermore only some had gramophones or disc players. The Clubs in Dhobitalao did >not >possess a culture of owning Disc Players but one often heard a lone musician >play his horn and the music waft above the Din of the traffic in Dhobitalao. >They probably played for the Film industry and to Hindi Music. Chic Chocolate was >a great Goan musician who was often wrongly compared to Satchmo (probably for >his complexion and not for his standard). Dizzie Sal who briefly came to >Mumbai came from Singapore or Maylasia where Jazz was popular due to the tourist >trade there. > > Jazz (like sport) is in the blood of the 'Negro' and is identified >with their roots in Africa and their desire to express in verse their sufferings >in America. Pseudo jazzmen copied these expressions as it was popular. The >Swedes, English, Polish, Czechs, French (who produced Dgango Reinhardt and >Stephan Grapelli) and Dutch have excellent Jazz and Swing groups but their music >is no where comparable to the expressions of US Negro Jazzmen who I do not have >space to mention. They have yet to scratch the outer fringes of Thelonious >Monk, Charlie Bird, Parker, Bechet, Miles Davis and Satchmo. > > That neighbour of Helga was learning to play the guitar (I could have been > the culprit trying to woo Helga) and I doubt >if she knows the standards of guitars to classify his guitar as WACKY. 'What a >wonderful world' if Jazzy as played by Satchmo could sound like a fado or >falear if played by a Wacko on a Contreras guitar. Depends on the musician and >the listener. > > Edgar Martins > ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet] My response to Bosco, Fernandes and Menezes.
I waited to see if I would trap any more crabs in my chamber pot. I have managed to trap three obnoxious ones. Here goes my story. Hope the Jury are reading. This has been written very slowly as I know that crabs cannot read fast. I often receive postings which others feel might interest me. I have had since childhood a gift from the above - to share good things with others. I would compare it with food that is sent to me. I see no harm in improving the food to suit the palate of a Goan and handing it out. I do not feel that I ought to declare the sourse of the food specially when it is free. But some Goans will bite the hand that feeds them when they do not pay for the food. One must learn to appreciate and the art of gratitude. I have known this trait which is characteristic. A Cheryll Roy of Goan/Indian origin had sent me a posting. I remembered my youth and the games I played and I included these reminiscences in the posting and sent the same to Goanet. I did not feel it necessary to implicate others and the source of the posting. I did not expect an appreciation from anyone and in fact it was rare that the Goans found the item interesting and one in particular remembered the games (no longer played today) and was complementary. The above three who are the subject of this posting did not in any way appreciate or express an opinion of the contents. Till one spent his time in investigating the garbage can and felt that he had trapped me. I had assumed that the lady, Cheryll Roy had written it (I did not go into the garbage can called the website) and after changing it, I telephoned her and even sent her a copy much before I was accused of plagiarising. She did not go into details and did not object. Most of what I write on the situation in Goa and global politics are my own creations. I read on every topic I can lay my hands on. I do not copy from newspapers like the Observer, The Times or even the British dailies. I prefer to create but it is possible that I quote from the papers. Jayson Blair was a paid servant of the NY Times and his work involved writing for the paper. In contrast, I am not a paid servant of goanet and for the past few years I have contributed often and I will admit that what I write is controversial to the extent that I have named names without fear. I have been warned but I persist. I will not accept slander and a comparison with Jayson. He did what he did and has to bear the consequences. In his ambition to secure his position with the Times he acted, was caught and was fired. In a modern bureaucratic world, Blacks need a passport to be one step above the White man to stay afloat and poor Jayson is black. I commiserate with his plight for he must have been a bright lad to break through the all White club. Crabs exist in other spheres too. I will append the posting I sent to Cheryll Roy with her address for those who wish to verify directly with this lady. That I phoned her too can be verified by the crabs that villified me. Edgar Martins === The iten was sent to Cheryll Roy before this controversy erupted. The entire posting has not been reproduced to conform with Herman's dictates/orders. = Subj:Re: Now we are afraid to die. Date: 6/3/03 5:48:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time From: EdgarStmartins To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Friends, Goans and countrymen! Everyone wants to go to heaven but nobody wants to die. So he will avoid to wear a helmet to bed:-) = According to today's regulators and bureaucrats, those of us who were kids in the 50's, 60's, 70's and early 80's probably shouldn't have survived, because.. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet] Bail denied to alleged rapists.
I object to the sympathy shown to the alleged culprits and expressing doubts about the accuser, by one who has not listened to both sides of the story. No one has the right to judge a matter based on hearsay or scurrilous reports based on gossip. The Police, Judiciary should be left to investigate this matter and take appropriate action. It is within the jurisdiction of the CM to intercede. Mr. Parrikar is a very astute and intelligent person as I know him and he will not intervene in matters where he has no jurisdiction as the writer does. No one has the business to pass judgement for there are those whose job it is to investigate and indict criminals. I make no suggestions. I condemn no one when I do not know the case. We can only hope that justice will prevail. Unless the vicrtim is mentally deranged she would not accuse the accused. Women groups should take note of this and condemn those who have no business to pass judgement. Read the garbage below. Edgar Martins In a message dated 6/4/03 1:26:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << I find it preposterous that the Youth accused of rape were denied bail. It should be plainly clear to any person thinking rationally that what the Judge pronounced was just to appease the powers that be. It was said that just because the girls virginity was intact did not mean she was not raped. Heaven forbid if she was not a virgin. What is the Judge implying? That only partial penetration took place ? The girl it seems now contends that she was sodomized. I have it from a good source that if this had happened she would not merely have had a sore bottom but would have been brutalized and the medical panel investigating her would have had no doubt what so ever of this. The Doctor's are bound by the hippocratic oath they took, the judge too took an oath to uphold the law. It is a sad, sad day indeed for all Goans when fairness cannot be shown because of pressure brought down to bear. I hope those responsible are happy with what they have done. When and if it eventually turns out that the girl made up the story will the authorities concerned bring charges to bear against her ? In the mean time the boys are languishing in jail. Cecil Pinto has written a nice article on this subject - a bit of investigative journalism. It warrants to be posted on this site. I feel for the youth and hope that very soon reasoning will prevail and they will be set free. Cheers Gabe Menezes >> ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet] Because We Could -- By Thomas L. Friedman (From the NYTimes)
Naguesh Bhatcar, reproduces unadulterated hogwash written by a Jew Boy (yes written derisively) as he white-washes the activities of George Bush. I read the article with scepticism. Oil was the main reason for the US to get involved in an Iraqi quagmire. Basic Ramboism and flexing of muscle. There is an unstated reason. Iraq was the most progressive Arab country, more advanced than any other, rich and more tolerant of it's minorities than the friendly states like Kuwait or Saudi Arabia or even Pakistan or Afghanistan. In 1948 Iraqi armies entered Palestine and stood by the Arabs. They. in my opinion, were the nemesis of the Israelis. Everyone knows that the media and economy of the US is controlled by those who believe that God has willed another man's land to the Jews. Sadaam attempted to develop nuclear weapons that Israel already possesses and which the US casts a blind eye. In fact the Israelis destroyed the nuclear reactor in a strike some time ago. This war was waged illegally and against the wishes of the world community without the consent of the members of the UN Security Council. Bogus reasons which were cooked up by No. 10 Downing Street and the Pentagon were used to invade Iraq. Fearing that the World Court could indict men like George Bush, they have vetoed it's creation like the Kyoto Protocol on pollution. It is this country that will make a graveyard of the globe. Mr. Bhatcar has the habit of telling us that he reads the N.Y. Times and other prestigious journals. I now know that he belongs to the class that will not read a tabloid or Penthouse. I have compartmentalised your status Mr. Bhatcar. Please send us more of your reproductions but I would suggest that you read in between the lines. A sceptical Goan, Edgar Martins ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet] Edgar Martins article on the way things were.................
In a message dated 6/4/03 1:24:52 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << One can focus on all the things that are wrong in Goa and give a dismal picture or one can choose to look for the positives that improve the life of the average citizen. Sure there are lots of things wrong in Goa. My dear Goan Friends, The trains come and go. In Germany and Japan they leave and return on time. Why would any one write about a train that arrives or leaves on time. But, it is unusual when a train comes or leaves late. This is what we consider worthy of journalism. It is preposterous for the train other than to come on time. So I complain about trains that do not keep time. This is contrary to convention. Bear with me when I moan. When will a baby be suckled if it will not cry. It is a thing of no great difficuilty to criticize. Nay, it is a very easy matter. The difficult part is to find a compromise. --- Putting those things aside, we Goans are friendly, helpful, kind, compassionate, religious, and love to dance and sing (with a little Feni to lubricate our vocal chords). Very fine reminiscences Tim. And very true too. >> We are unique and in our hands we can resolve our problems facing Goa. If we stay united we will prosper or else we will perish like fools. Edgar Martins ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet] Rape and repercussions.
A friend sent me this interesting story. It is strange how the mind works when there is a rush of adrenalin during the commission of a crime. Edgar Martins = A judge in England a few years ago dismissed a rape case because the woman had been walking in a dark area wearing a mini skirt. What a load of ballocks! One of the most pathetic cases I've heard of happened in England in the mid 70's. An American girl was in the pub with her friends. It was election night and she got fed up with all that crap on the TV and decided to go home. On the way she was set upon and raped. When he'd finished the bloke took her purse and told her that he would now have to kill her because she had seen his face. She pointed out that he had broken her glasses and that she couldn't see a thing. He considered this for a minute and then held up his hand and asked her how many fingers he was displaying. She said the wrong number so he decided to let her go. She pointed out that he had taken all her money so he gave her 50p for her bus fare. Needless to say she was able to recognise him and he was convicted and jailed. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet] Rape and repercussions.
In a message dated 6/2/03 10:15:52 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Women today are too sensitive? Remarks like that got a High Court Judge into trouble , but then, maybe HE had one chromosome missing. Noel Almeida Brisbane. >> Please discuss the issue or message and not the repercussions. Getting into 'hot water' has never been my problem. I am in so much hot water that raising the temperature a notch will not do me any harm. I am in quest of disseminating the truth and to do what Goan reporters are afraid to do. Thanks for the warning though from down under. I live up yonder. Edgar Martins ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet] Re: Now we are afraid to die.
In a message dated 6/3/03 5:48:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time, EdgarStmartins writes: << Friends, Goans and countrymen! Everyone wants to go to heaven but nobody wants to die. So he will avoid to wear a helmet to bed:-) = According to today's regulators and bureaucrats, those of us who were kids in the 50's, 60's, 70's and early 80's probably shouldn't have survived, because.. Our baby cots were covered with brightly coloured lead-based paint which was promptly chewed and licked. We had no child-proof lids on medicine bottles, or latches on doors or cabinets and it was fine to play with pans. When we rode our bikes, we wore no helmets, just flip flops and fluorescent 'clackers' on our wheels. We never crossed the laws as we did not possess 2-wheelers. We did not know that drugs existed and we could not afford cigarettes let alone lace them with drugs. As children, we would ride in cars with no seat belts or air bags. Riding in the passenger seat was a treat. We rode our bikes, fell, had sores on our body and survived. We drank water from the garden hose and not from a bottle - it tasted the same. We respected everyone older than ourselves and often called strangers who were old enough, uncle or aunt. We ate sorpotel, sanna, cocoanut curry, tons of cholesterol and drank limbu soda with sugar in it, but we were never overweight because we were always outside playing. We shared one drink with four friends, from one bottle or can and no one actually died from this. SARS did not exist, the Nile was far away and the mosquito was a friend. We had candles and no candle power, water from a well and took our baths next to the banana plant to share the source of life with a tree which finally gave us potassium and calories. We would spend hours building go-carts out of boxes with elliptical wheels and then went top speed down the hill, only to find out we forgot the brakes. After running into stinging nettles trying to collect kantans for pickle and to eat. We learned to solve the problem with a pin that was not sterilized.. We would leave home in the morning and play all day, as long as we were back before it got dark. No one was able to reach us all day and no one minded. We did not have Playstations or X-Boxes, no video games at all. No 99 channels on TV, no videotape movies, no surround sound, no mobile phones, no personal computers, no Internet chat rooms nor goanet which could be used to put down anyone we envy like crabs. We had friends - we went outside and found them. We played gilly dando, godde and 7 tiles and street rounders, and sometimes that ball really hurt. We fell out of trees, got cut and broke bones and teeth, and there were no lawsuits. They were accidents. We learnt not to do the same thing again. We had fights, punched each other hard and got black and blue - we learned to get over it. We walked to friend's homes. No one molested us. We made up games with tiles and tennis balls and ate live stuff, and although we were told it would happen, we did not have very many eyes out, nor did the live stuff live inside us forever. We rode bikes in packs of 7 and wore our coats by only the hood. Our actions were our own. Consequences were expected. The idea of a parent bailing us out if we broke a law was unheard of. They actually sided with the law. Imagine that! My Dad permitted my Latin master to whip me with a cane and I bear the marks of many a punishment. This generation has produced some of the best risk-takers and problem solvers and inventors, ever. The past 50 years have been an explosion of innovation and new ideas. We had freedom, failure, success and responsibility, and we learned how to deal with it all. And you're one of them. Congratulations! We have had the luck to grow up as real kids, before lawyers and government regulated our lives, for "our own good". Today they do it toline their pockets. We ate organic and not GM foods. We aimed not to dig ourgraves with our teeth. When today's kids eat dough nuts and baigles, we ate the centre of these goodies - nothing. We learnt to cook instead of demanding food on the table or a trip to eat junk food and we were less obese. Edgar Martins ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet] Would a helmet have helped?
There was no need for this smart posting which was critical of a humourous posting. I would nominate the posting by Aloysious as a very interesting post suggesting one wear a helmet when going to bed. I consider this an ideal suggestion for a Brahmachari and Tim is not one of them. Wearing a helmet to bed would impede his libido. Edgar Martins = In a message dated 6/1/03 10:13:42 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Aloysius D'Souza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear Time, > > Maybe you should wear a helmet in bed -- far more > people die in bed than > from the consequences of two-wheeler accidents -- > > Sleep well with a helmet on > > Aloysius D'Souza Folks, I believe I am going to start awarding prize's for the dumbest post here on Goanet. I already have the cash for the winners. CAD$50 for the worst posting CAD$75 for the next worse and CAD $100 for the third placed. And don't you worry. The loser's will be chosen only from the posting made BEFORE 31st May 2003. Those of you who want to nominate your postings for the prize, please contact me. Mervyn D'thru Lobo Toronto, Canada ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet] Rape and repercussions.
This is a very bestial and serious matter that is being hashed out by people who understand not the head nor the tail of a matter like this. I categorically state that rape is a reprehensible act and in many countries and even in some states in America, a rapist ended his life at the end of a rope and it was used by many to frame blacks they detested. Read the Scotsboro Affair where the last innocent black youth gained his liberty after nearly 30 years. Indian democracy is a joke. Democracy is a front used to plunder and we ought to consider our form of Government a Cleptocracy. The police are badly paid and tend to file complaints without taking action. A netter wrote that the CM ought to butt out of Police matters. What nonsence. One must be educated on Politics and Police administration of justice. As I have just written, police tend to be lethargic and are not inclined to act on a complaint unless one greases the palms of the officer supposed to investigate the matter. When I, in my trials and tribulations, learnt that I was defrauded, Sub-Insp. Jullander Naik was deputized to deal with the case. Imagine I had lost money from being defrauded and he kept pestering me to pay him a bribe, buy him and his staff drinks and stationary. When I met with Parrikar, he immediately wrote to the Chief of Police requesting action and the wheels started moving - slowly, as the matter is still with the Criminal and Civil authorities. In a rape case, evidence is very important as it is known that there are women who are capable of framing men by claiming to be raped. Many medics who treat sexual cases refrain from attending a woman unless there is a third witness who can testify that the medic did not fondle the female. Class action suites are examples of persons trying to make a buck or to incriminate a doctor.There have been cases of medics exploiting a woman's problem. Even married women have been known to lodge a police complaint saying that they have been raped by their husbands. Sex is supposed to be a consensual matter. Imagine being murdered. The family cleans the weapons using bleach, burns all evidence of the crime and then they go to the police to complain. The police must gather every evidence to convict the culprit. Failing this, the police have no ground to stand on. Police prosecutors will not entertain a case that make them a laughing stock (as in the Simpson case or in the case of the current Peterson Case). This occurs when a defense attorney is a weasel. It was a grave error committed by the victim of the rape case in the Art School, probably due to trauma. Women should be educated on the danger of playing with 'fire' and going close to where there is 'fire'. Parents have the obligation to warn children. Where I live, children are warned not to speak with strangers. A ten year old girl was recently found in parts a day after she vanished. Killed by a person known to this innocent victim. I am not one to dangle a needle and ask the rape victim to thread the needle eye while I moved it. This is how a judge once attempted to lay the blame on the victim. He contented that had the victim moved, she would not have been raped. I am not trying to provoke the sensitivities of the fairer sex. Women today are too sensitive. They do not consider themselves apart from men but wish to play games (golf) with men but not tennis or on the front lines of a war. They wish to have their cake and eat it. The world is a'changin. But crimes are also multiplying. But I agree that they have their 'beef' or complaints and many are valid. I state that a woman who is raped ought to leave the scene of the crime as soon as she is aware of her predicament and then see a lawyer, a gynaecologist and the police immediately. Every piece of evidence should be supplied by the victim to assist the assailant to be convicted. In my case, I had to do 75% of the Police work even though I will not benefit from the conviction just because of my determination (I have the genes of a pit-bull terrier) to see the culprit convicted. For those who have suggestions, I am open to discussion. I like to learn but am fed-up with Goans (who have one cromosone missing) who feel that every posting is an invitation to contradict without doing their homework. Only serious people need 'apply'. Edgar Martins ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet] NEWS-Goa: Women's groups angered at rape case handling
In a message dated 6/2/03 2:53:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << The girl's mother was able to register a complaint nearly a week after the incident as the heavily drugged victim was intially coping with the drug's hallucinatory effects and the inability of two state run hospitals to adequately detoxify her. >> What utter unadulterated nonsence. Pardon me. One cigarette or even two could never have a lasting effect of one week. Even alcohol, cocaine or heroin does not have a lingering effect of a week. Yes trauma which could last the girls life but not a drug that is inserted in a cigarette. I had written last year of a 'date' drug that is used in many countries including in the west and had warned of the consequences. A woman who was raped in Goa comitted suicide in the UK - all due to her consent to have a soft drink with a bunch of sexually depraved men. Beware of drugs and false propaganda. Edgar Martins ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet] KONKANI - NOT A DIALECT OF MARATHI -
Mr. Magno like I, have been experiencing difficulties to post on goa net. We are reminded to post using Plain instead of HTML. I have contacted the carrier, AOL who inform me that HTML is a superior language to plain and they have switched to HTML but this does not help a netter to post on Goa Net. The newest version of AOL - 8.0 uses HTML and I am compelled to use AOL.5.0 as I feel I am in a 1945 model T Ford who cannot drive a Caddillac 2003 because the road is too narrow. I may be wrong. I would appeal to the Admin. of goa-net to rework their software to make it easier for netters to post using HTML. I can understand Bosco and Viviana when they write to explain why postings cannot be sent, Thanks. Edgar Martins ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet] Re: Application for a Driving Licence in Goa
In a message dated 5/31/03 7:06:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time, EdgarStmartins writes: << << STATE of GOA DRIVING LICENSE APPLIKASON PHARM gt; NOTE: 1. If you dont know the answers, please copy from another applikason phorom and submit. For further instructions, see bottom applikason. 2. Please do not shoot the person at the applikason kounter. He will give you the lisence immediately. Last name:; (_) Fernandes ; (_) Rebello (_) Dias ; (_) Menezes (_) do not know First name: (_) Agnelo (_) Leo (_) Gabriel (_) Eddie (_) Dont know (Check appropriate box) Age: (_) Less than zero (_) Zero (_) Greater than zero (_) Don't know Sex: M _ F _ not sure _ not applicable Chappal Size: Left Right Occupation: (_) Politician (_) Botler (_) Paovalla (_) Kharvi (_) Un-employed Number of children living in household: ___ Number that are yours: ___ Mother\'s Name: ___ Father\'s Name: ___ (If not sure, leave blank) ; Ejjucason: 1 2 3 4 (Circle highest grade completed) Do you bathe? (_) Yes (_) No Not applicable If yes, how often do you bathe? (_) Weekly (_) Monthly (_) Yearly Color of teeth: (_) Yellow (_) Brownish-Yellow (_) Brown (_) Black (_) Others - Give exact color (call nearest Asian Paints dealer if U dont know the color of your teeth) How far is your home from a paved road? (_)1 mile (_)2 miles (_)don't know Your thumb imparesson If you are copying from another applikason pharom, please do not copy thumb impression also. Please provide your own thumb impression. · PLEASE DO NOT USE FINGERS OF YOUR LEGS. · Use thumb on your left hand only. If you dont have left hand, use your thumb on right hand. If you do not have right hand, use thumb on left hand. NOTE : IF YOU DONT HAVE BOTH HANDS, YOU CANNOT DRIVE __ Go to Punjab and you can be sure of getting a licence. Form printed by Govt. Press, Delhi >> >> ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet] Art College Incident not the first case!
In a message dated 5/31/03 8:44:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The rule applied in Goa is this, like in Iraq and with Sadaam's sons is: If politicians are involved in any fiasco as happened just a year ago, nothing is heard of the matter and these scandals are placed on the back burner. Sadaam's Son Uday has killed his father's Christian bodyguard and nothing happened. Goa on the surface is a tourist paradise and tranquil (it has to be so or else tourists will not come) but underneath it is a veritable inferno, a hornets nest. It is one thing to learn about a scandal and it is another when the matter is persued. How about the cricket scam when Narvekar and Phadke were involverd. I spoke with Phadke recently and he said that nothing will be done. We never hear of this matter. Edgar Martins << Way back in the early seventies, it was alleged that a group of Dhempe College hostelites gang raped a sex worker and left her for dead very close to the memorial of Bhausaheb Bandodkar. I am not to sure if the culprits were ever brought to book. Colaco >> ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet] Save Our Spooks -- From the New York Times
Mr. Bhatcar, be forewarned that you are deliberately provoking some Goans, some of who live in the US. These fellows possess a servile mentality and feel superior to their fellow Goans who do not stand in queues to enter the US. Outside the Houses of Parliament in Westminster, London is a man who has camped there for over 700 days criticising Bush and Tony Blair for lying to the people to fabricate a reason to attack Iraq. This man who has braved wind, rain and snow for over two years in a protest against the UK and US government is a white Britisher. Hilary Clinton and many Members of Congress and citizens of the US have called Bush's ploy a bluff. MP's like Tony Benn, Robin Cooke and many others have criticised Tony Blair including one who even went and met Sadaam Hussein. Even the Pope pleaded against this atrocity which according to International Law was illegal. Those like Powell, Condy Rice, Jack Straw, Rumpfeld, Chenney and their bosses Bush and Blair have acted like Uncle Toms. Currently there is a controversy regarding the inhumane treatment by the British of captured Iraqi soldiers in contravention to the Geneva Convention and the pictures taken by a British member of the service have been impounded by the authorities as this is considered incriminating evidence which can be used in a criminal court. But a Goan must shut his mouth up because there are some who like crabs will gnaw your vitals because you are climbing the mountain and speak the truth. Goans do not participate actively on goanet by posting their views and those who write ought to allow others to state their case and not to stab him in the back. I plan to write an expose on Bush and Blair complementing them for duping the world with their claim that WMD would be used in 45 mins after the outbreak of hostilities. The US and UK Government are looking for evidence when there has been no crime. Maybe one day, they will cook up some evidence to justify their acts that have laid waste to Iraqi territory and lives of it's citizens including over a million children from an illegal embargo and no fly zones. Edgar Martins ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet] Re: Goenchem Prize
In a message dated 5/30/03 11:42:26 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Please read a follow up post on this thread (Should I say before you open your mouth?) >> Miguel! Say sorry and end this blah blah. More people are hung by their tongue than at the end of a rope. Edgar Martins ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet] Re:Corruption in the Customs_Goa
In a message dated 5/30/03 5:49:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mr. Dias, I am happy that you did not criticize me when I wrote about corruption in the Customs. India is one of the most corrupt countries in the world and one must refer to the international standings of countries that are corrupt. Let us not take comfort in stating that India is less corrupt than Bangla Desh or Nigeria. We ought to compare our performance with that of the least corrupt which I think is Norway. But I disagree with you that Catholics are less corrupt than the others. There is no difference today in Goa and if you have confronted the Police, Government bureaucracy and the Justice system, you will observe that Goan Christians have no qualms to persecute the poor by demanding bribes. I see no difference between Agnelo Fernandes, ex-Sarpanch of Candolim and Gobind Nagvenkar or Sanjiv Naik in Salvador do Mundo. Those days are gone when we feared the wrath of Goa and believed in the Ten Commandments. Worse still, these people all make the bee-line to Church on Sundays. Yes the hypocrites. Edgar Martins _ Yahoo! Plus - For a better Internet experience http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/yplus/yoffer.html >> ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet] Re: On This Day In History... 29 May 2003
A posting on this subject deserves to be read only once and then thrashed - into the garbage can without being shredded. Waste of time for little minds. Then there is the posting on a saying for the day. I just junk this type. Go to a library and read the sayings of a thousand wise men all under a marble slab. Copy and dispatch this to other simpletone. I would appreciate goan proverbs in Konkani as they sound so poetic and full of wisdom. I like the one in Konkani 'Suneachi shempdi soddanch vandkri' which means a dogs tail will never be straightened. Goan women of days gone by were full of beautiful ideas. They thought deep and were poetic. Edgar Martins ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet] 2MINUTEREVIEWS: Police eye's view of things...
In a message dated 5/28/03 9:42:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << o 260 persons died on the roads in 2002 o 99 motorcyclists died last year for not wearing helmets o Non-use of the helmet is an offence ... >> ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet] Re: Corruption in the Customs - Goa.
In a message dated 5/28/03 6:55:24 AM Pacific Daylight Time, EdgarStmartins writes: << As a young man, I often travelled by ship to Bombay from Africa. I also travelled from Goa to Bombay overland through Londa and Castle Rock. I have always been curious and had observed the ease with which one entered Goa and Africa from Bombay without much harassment from the Customs authorities and without having to bribe the Goan or African Customs authorities. This goodwill shown to travellers leaving India is not reciprocated by Indian authorities. I can imagine the 'fight to death' attitude of Indians trying to succeed monetarily, to get a position in the Indian Customs, They, most probably amass wealth and live in palaces having been born in mud houses. Ha! Nothing but parasites preying on their own kind who would sell their mothers and sisters for the proverbial thirty pieces. I even feel that Judas was more honourable as he felt guilty and threw the money back at those who bribed him. I know of a handicapped person in my village needing a wheelchair. He moves around in a rusty wheelchair and I am sure that he would appreciate a better one. I know of hospitals that need beds and equipment. It is true that India manufactures these items (some of which lack quality) and has laws to protect industry. I know of schools that need books, computers, software and many poor Indians who would appreciate clothes. But the problems of sending these from abroad are insurmountable. The hawks in the Customs will not allow anything to pass their departments unless their hands are heavily greased. India is a seething,corrupt and nefarious hinterland where religion, nationalism and moral valuesare openly bartered for personal gain. I had sent quite a few books to Goa a few years ago. The Goans here had sent medicines, clothes and other things in a container. Hurdles erected by greedy customs led Caritas to refuse gifts from outside India. Two years ago, I took an old CPU in my baggage which being electronic was easily detected and the hawk at the Sahar Airport demanded Rs.8000.00 as a bribe to allow me to get through. I wish that the Government of India would as a gesture of goodwill to the NRI's allow gifts to charitable institutions without custom duties. We should not beg for anything only when there is a calamity like an earthquake (as in Algeria) or flooding (as in Sri Lanka) or even famine as in Ethiopia. I know the reasons for this callous behaviour but disagree with the hardships meted out to people who deserve respect and consideration. Edgar Martins ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## ___ Goanet mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.goanet.org/mailman/listinfo/goanet
[Goanet] Corruption in the Customs - Goa.
As a young man, I often travelled by ship to Bombay from Africa. I also travelled from Goa to Bombay overland through Londa and Castle Rock. I have always been curious and had observed the ease with which one entered Goa and Africa from Bombay without much harassment from the Customs authorities and without having to bribe the Goan or African Customs authorities. This goodwill shown to travellers leaving India is not reciprocated by Indian authorities. I can imagine the 'fight to death' attitude of Indians trying to succeed monetarily, to get a position in the Indian Customs, They, most probably amass wealth and live in palaces having been born in mud houses. Ha! Nothing but parasites preying on their own kind who would sell their mothers and sisters for the proverbial thirty pieces. I even feel that Judas was more honourable as he felt guilty and threw the money back at those who bribed him. I know of a handicapped person in my village needing a wheelchair. He moves around in a rusty wheelchair and I am sure that he would appreciate a better one. I know of hospitals that need beds and equipment. It is true that India manufactures these items (some of which lack quality) and has laws to protect industry. I know of schools that need books, computers, software and many poor Indians who would appreciate clothes. But the problems of sending these from abroad are insurmountable. The hawks in the Customs will not allow anything to pass their departments unless their hands are heavily greased. I had sent quite a few books to Goa a few years ago. The Goans here had sent medicines, clothes and other things in a container. hurdles Two years ago, I took an old CPU in my baggage which being electronic was easily detected and the hawk at the Sahar Airport demanded Rs.8000.00 as a bribe to allow me to get through. I wish that the Government of India would as a gesture of goodwill to the NRI's allow gifts to charitable institutions to overcome customs duties. We should not beg for anything only when there is a calamity like an earthquake (like in Algeria) or flooding (as in Sri Lanka). I know the reasons for this callous behaviour but disagree with the hardships meted out to the poor. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## ___ Goanet mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.goanet.org/mailman/listinfo/goanet
