[Goanet] Re: re: Nelly Furtado
Nelly Furtado does not have any Goan or otherwise Indian ancestry. I believe the source of some confusion on her heritage was some of the promotional material when she released her first album - which alluded to her being able to sing in Hindi. Some media articles embellished it to say that she was in fact "fluent" in Hindi which she has admitted is *false*. Furtado grew up in Vancouver which has a huge Indo-Canadian population. During her teenage years, she was encouraged by some of her Indian friends to sing a few filmy songs and I believe that was the entire extent of her experience with Hindi until she got her record deal and started collaborating with Indian remix-artists and playback singers. Nelly's daughter however *does* have Indian roots. Her daughter's father is Jasper Gahunia - I'm assuming of Punjabi origin. For famous Canadians of Goan origin, check out Ian D'Sa - the brilliant guitarist from rock band Billy Talent - http://www.billytalent.com Neal Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pintomusic.com On 5/23/06, Jason Monserrate wrote: > > > Does Nelly Furtado have Goan roots?? > > _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Re: Konknni in Kadamba script
Cool... does anyone know how/if the matras work for this particular script? Neal Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pintomusic.com
[Goanet] Re: 2 new event albums - GOA LA
Those are great photos. Thank you for distributing them. I plan to visit L.A. sometime this year. It's great to see such a vibrant community out there. Neal Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pintomusic.com
[Goanet] Re: Konkani language Romi/Devanagari
-- | Add your name to the CLEAN GOA INITIATIVE | || | by visiting this link and following the instructions therein | || | http://shire.symonds.net/pipermail/goanet/2005-October/033926.html | -- If you're taking a poll, count me in as being able to read Konkani both Roman and Devanagari - bear in mind that, in tradition with many Goan in my age group, I may not always understand what I'm reading. ;) Having said that, I'm still unclear on the contraversy. Are there any places online I can go to read and get a balanced background of this Romi vs. Devanagari debate? Neal Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pintomusic.com
[Goanet] Re: Hindi adaptation of konkani song
-- | Add your name to the CLEAN GOA INITIATIVE | || | by visiting this link and following the instructions therein | || | http://shire.symonds.net/pipermail/goanet/2005-October/033926.html | -- Hi Patsy!! It's funny you should mention this song right now. I've been involved in a project composing music that is going to be pitched for use in Hindi film soundtracks. My music partner is Punjabi and works between Bombay and Canada. He was telling me how some filmy song composers in India as of late have been drawing inspiration directly from classic Hindi songs, recommended we do the same, and suggested we start by listening to the song "Na Mangun Sona Chandi" - not realizing that the music composition had already been plucked from a classic Goan folk song. Anyway... here are your lyrics: Na chaahoon sona chaandi, na chaahoon heera moti Yeh mere kis kaam ke Na maangoon bangla baadi, na maangoon ghoda gaadi Yeh to hain bas naam ke Deti hai dil de badle mein dil ke (Ghe ghe ghe ghe ghe, ghe re saahiba Pyaar mein sauda nahin) Na chaahoon sona chaandi, na chaahoon heera moti Yeh mere kis kaam ke Na maangoon bangla baadi, na maangoon ghoda gaadi Yeh to hain bas naam ke Deta hai dil de badle mein dil ke (Ghe ghe ghe ghe ghe, ghe re saahiba Pyaar mein sauda nahin) Na jaanoon mulla kaji, na jaanoon Kaaba Kashi Main to hoon prem piyaasa re Mere sapnon ki rani, hogi tumko hairaani Main to tera deewaana re Deti hai dil de badle mein dil ke (Ghe ghe ghe ghe ghe, ghe re saahiba Pyaar mein sauda nahin) Pyaar mein sauda nahin ¯¯¯¯ Take care, Neal Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pintomusic.com On 10/14/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > One of the first indian movies to hit portuguese cinema halls was a film > titled Bobby. In that film there were several scenes of goa, and a song > adapted to the tune of "aum saiba poltoli vetta". Is there anyone out > there > who could send me the complete lyrics of this song? > Thanks. > Patsy > > -- | 1st Young Goans International Essay contest 2005 | || | Theme: WHAT CAN I DO FOR GOA | | More details at| | http://shire.symonds.net/pipermail/goanet/2005-October/034190.html| --
Re: [Goanet]Caste... and all that
Something just occurred to me on the subject of casteism in matrimonial advertisements. I can't quite articulate it now but I'll give it a try: If a Goan were to marry another Goan, there may (depending on the family) be some pretentiousness regarding caste. If these SAME Goans families were presented with a fiancé/fiancée of Catholic European descent, would they be just as rigid in questioning the pedigree of this white person's lineage? Neal Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pintomusic.com On 7/4/05, Frederick Noronha (FN) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On the question of whether one can be a Brahmin and an anti-casteist at > the same time, perhaps the question would be better framed if it had > asked whether one can subscribe to Brahminism and believe in > anti-casteism at the same time. >
[Goanet]July 16th @ Holy Joe's in TORONTO!!
Fellow Goanetters, If any of you are near the Toronto area on Saturday July 16th, I'm playing HOLY JOE'S (651 Queen St. West). Just to let you know, I am a Goan-Canadian singer/songwriter who is influcened by Ben Harper, Bob Marley, Duncan Sheik, Ian Thornley and Peter Gabriel. I will be doing a solo set with electric-guitar and stage-piano. There are more details on my site at http://www.nealpinto.com I'm looking forward to seeing you there and please spread the word! :) If anyone would like to contact me directly for more details, please e-mail me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] - my address on GOANET receives too much traffic for me to notice individual e-mail. Thanks, Neal Pinto www.nealpinto.com
Re: [Goanet]The United States of Canada
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Hello Mervyn and other Goanetters, On first impression, I found that picture funny but then I got thinking: Is it really right to call the block of Republican electorates "Jesusland"? I believe that following Jesus involves alot more than self-righteous finger pointing. I get into this further on my own message-board that I have set up at http://pintomusic.proboards30.com It was originally set up for people who listened to the music that I write but, as a diversion, I set up a section specifically for the discussion of politics and that area seems to see the most action. If any of you are into that sort of thing, feel free to sign up and join in! Neal Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pintomusic.com On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 19:24:02 -0500 (EST), Mervyn Lobo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Folks, > Here is the new map ;-) > Mervyn2.0 > > <http://idisk.mac.com/glwebb-public/new_map.jpg>http://idisk.mac.com/glwebb-public/new_map.jpg > >
Re: [Goanet]outsourcing and the US elections
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## There's another choice in this year's elections: http://www.badmash.org/dishoom.php :) Neal Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pintomusic.com On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 11:31:19 -0700 (PDT), Marlon Menezes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Re: [Goanet]caste and all that
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Antonio, Thank you for your response. I already understand the theoretic and theological reasons why the Hindu caste system is not compatible with Christianity. My question was an inquiry on the "popular opinion" of Hindus regarding the employment of the caste system by Catholics in Goa. In other words, what does the average Hindu think of a Goan Catholic trying to call himself a Brahmin? Neal Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pintomusic.com On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 19:00:05 +0530, A.C. Menezes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > in this modern tv medium age, one cannot indulge in extensive writting for > fear of being ignored and if one tries to be concise one is liable to be > misunderstood. as for me, i would rather prefer to be misunderstood than to > be ignored. > > thank you, neal, you have raised an important point. how do our hindu > brothers look at catholic casteism. > > from the dharmic (i.e.hindu) point of view, to be born in a certain caste ( > varna) is the result of one previous life i.e. karmic justice. one follows > the strict rules of dharma and one is liberated from the chain of births > and rebirths i.e.reincarnation. if there are a few flaws in one !s previous > life, one is certain to be born a brahmin to be ultimately liberated > (moksha). on the other extreme, persistent flouting of the rules of dharma > in previous life , results in the birth as an outcaste, pariah, and what > have you. > > in catholic goa, there cannot be brahmins and kshatriyas in the strict > sense of the dharma, for in the catholic religion there is simply no room > for the reincarnation principle. > > antonio
Re: [Goanet]Re: Caste and all that....
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## This has been a very interesting discussion so far. :) I was wondering if anyone could expand on Hindus' perception of Goan Catholics' use of the caste-system. Thanks, Neal Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pintomusic.com On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 17:19:02 -0400, Basilio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Dear Fred: > Your characterization of my position as apologetics (defending the Church) > is unfortunate. I have taken a middle of the road position contextualized in > social sciences. Caste, as discrimination of any sort, is a human problem; > it does not solely belong to any particular institution. This problem of > caste, which, indeed is a problem, has to be resolved by individuals at a > very personal level. Institutions may create a helpful environment, but it > is the individual that has to respond. Laying blame at the feet of the > institutions is easy, and absolves everyone of personal responsibility. It > gives one something to boast about and gain legitimacy in some social > circles.
Re: [Goanet]Caste... and all that
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Did the caste among Catholics in Goa truly correspond with their pre-colonial lineage? Neal Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pintomusic.com
[Goanet]Re: Sausages & Taste
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## For a while back in 1993/94, my uncle was making Choriz sausages (how the hell do you spell that anyway?) for the Goan community here in Winnipeg and, notwithstanding the use of Canadian Pork, made them as authentically as possible. A bite would bring a Goan to tears (of joy and nostalgia). Unfortunately, my uncle suddenly passed away in 1996 and I now regret not carrying on the tradition. :( Are they available in Toronto? Neal Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pintomusic.com ---
Re: [Goanet]Terror suspects: Roque Flaviano Fernandes, Dominic Agnello Martins
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## > But when it is evil, we wash our hands, try to find > ways of saying, as what Neal Pinto says, funny > isn't it? Jerry... I'm afraid you may have TWISTED my words. I do not religiously read every single e-mail that comes on this list. You might even notice that there are times when I haven't participated for months. I only caught the last few e-mails on this issue and, from the particular articles that were enclosed in them, there was no indication that these Portuguese passport holding people were of Asian origin and was curious as to whether they were truly of Goan descent or if this was a runaway assumption based on the fact they were collaborating with other "brown" people. Shortly after I had raised the question, Gabe had discretely e-mailed me explaining the information that pointed to Goan origin. You chose to go about it this way. I hope you feel better now. ;) Neal Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pintomusic.com
Re: [Goanet]Why so few Mestico in Goa after 451 years?
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Actually Miguel... I was only joking with that comment. I have observed many times in the past that, when Goans have questioned the absence of Portuguese blood our history, it's often presented as if we were dealt some sort of *injustice* by not having more of a European lineage. I know that is not what you were saying but I still wanted to make light of the question for some reason. Sure... "pinto" means baby-chicken but I just figured that the Portuguese had some perverse affinity for Christening us with animal names (ie: Coelho, Leitao, Lobo, Pinto, etc...). The low occurence of Mestiços in Goan population was never something that I found unusual. I'm more concerned with the low occurence of Konkani. ;) Peace, Neal Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pintomusic.com --- On Sun, 03 Oct 2004 12:34:40 +0530, Miguel Braganza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Dear Neal, > Being simplistic simplifies nothing. There must be some historic or > anthropologic reason for the low mestico count in Goa. My surname[ Braganza, > or Braganca, is a place in Portugal] does not indicate a thing except the > clan to which I belong in the Communidade of Mapusa. Do you wish to suggest > that I am a mestico? ;-( No, not anymore than you are chicken[ that is > what 'Pinto' means in Portuguese ;-)) ] > . > From: Neal Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote > > Maybe we're wrong and ALL Catholic Goans are mestico > > There... is that what everyone wanted to hear?? ;) :) > > Neal Pinto > , Miguel Braganza
Re: [Goanet]Terror suspects: Roque Flaviano Fernandes, Dominic Agnello Martins.
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## I haven't been following the discussion about this here on GOANET until now. If their Portuguese passport holders, how do we know these guys are ethnically Goan? Are there photos of them somewhere? Is it possible they have nothing to do with Goa? Neal Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pintomusic.com ___ On Sat, 2 Oct 2004 14:06:50 +0100, Gabe Menezes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Sources Inform that the two are Portuguese Passport holders. Very, very > unfortunate that they got caught in a scam. Goenkars beware - no easy money > to be made out there! If somebody offers you money or goods which seem too > good to be true, it probably is too good to be true. > > Mog asundi, > > Gabe. > >
Re: [Goanet]Why so few Mestico in Goa after 451 years?
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Maybe we're wrong and ALL Catholic Goans are mestiço!! There... is that what everyone wanted to hear?? ;) :) Neal Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pintomusic.com On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 02:05:02 +0530, Miguel Braganza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Lobo is not an uncommon surname in Goa among Goans without even a hint of > Portuguese blood, culture or language. Why there were so few Mesticos in Goa > is still a mystery to me. > > Viva Goa. > Miguel > >
RE: [Goanet]I presume this is a Goan
I went through the rest of the site at http://www.mansworldindia.com/sectionarticles.asp?section=CO and noticed another model by the name of Rhea D'Mello at http://www.mansworldindia.com/gallary/july03/gallery01.htm I'm assuming she's Goan also? Neal Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nealpinto.com - --- On Wed 04/28, Cecil Pinto < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: From: Cecil Pinto [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 18:57:12 +0530 Subject: [Goanet]I presume this is a Goan Source and photo: http://www.mansworldindia.com/gallary/sep03/gallery02.htmBEATRICE RODRIGUES ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]RE: bharatis
Mr. Colaço, I have not condoned the actions of these Indo-Spaniards. That being said, I am not going to paint any ethnic group - be they Indian, Portuguese, Goan, or otherwise - with any sort of brush based on the activities of a few crooks. Crooks exist in every culture and ethnic group so there's no point singling one group over any other. >From observing your dialogue on this list since I have joined, I notice that you have >a passion for singling out "bharatis" to the point of initiating antagonistic >discussions just so that you can have a forum to put them down. You are entitled to your personal opinions but, before you go out of your way to make them public, you might want to take a close look at yourself in the mirror. If you are truly of Goan ethnic origin, I'm willing to bet that you physically look no different than any other common "bharati". So, by carrying on with what appears to be an insecure "house slave" mentality of pro-actively trying to put yourself above other people of south-Asian descent, you're only promoting the discrimination and prejudice that (I'm assuming) you've spent most of your life trying to avoid. By the way, I've never heard the term "malabarism" used in the way that you have applied it . I always thought that it was used to either describe contortionist/juggling acts or as a politically-incorrect term to describe soft-bone disorders like rickets. So tell me Colaço... if those guys in Spain were of Chinese or Korean descent instead of Indian, would you have accused them of "Mongolism"?? :-0 Neal Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nealpinto.com - --- On Tue 03/30, =?iso-8859-1?q?Bernado=20Colaco?= < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Bernado=20Colaco?= [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 04:12:30 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: [Goanet]RE: bharatis Malabarism - cheating, falsification, trying to make profits via dubios means. Not unknown to the bharatis. Such precedence is being set in Goa in a large scale. Even Goans have now become experts. Loan sharking is such an example. But yet you stand to condone your indian brother hood! B. Colaco ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]RE: bharatis
Bernardo, Exactly what type of reaction were you trying to generate by starting this discussion? Furthermore, please explain your allegations of "malabarism". Besides selling cellphone accessories, did these guys also have some sort of juggling act? Neal Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nealpinto.com - --- On Sun 03/21, =?iso-8859-1?q?Bernado=20Colaco?= < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Bernado=20Colaco?= [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 02:56:52 + (GMT) Subject: Re: [Goanet]RE: bharatis You condone the malabarism bit that killed hundreds innit? Worried more about your bharati origins! B. Colaco ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
RE: [Goanet]RE: Ogling at women
> When you are in the west, you > convince your spouse to dress > in bikini's and other dresses > so that others can see what you > have. Who the heck told you this?? I've lived in the "west" my whole life. Anybody who needs everyone to see "what he has" - be it in a bikini or a burqa - has some serious insecurity issues. Don't you think? Neal Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nealpinto.com - --- On Fri 03/05, Mervyn Lobo < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: From: Mervyn Lobo [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 22:24:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: RE: [Goanet]RE: Ogling at women Neal Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Perhaps I haven't read this dialogue properly, but I> don't understand how conservatively dressed women> are a BAD thing.> > So... to the "modern" and "evolved" Goans with> daughters, do you actually *encourage* them to show> off their legs and figures??Neal Pinto,When you are in the west, you convince your spouse todress in bikini's and other dresses so that others cansee what you have.When you are in the east, you tell her to dressconservatively so that everyone can see what you have.I am waiting for the day when women will dress as theydamm please... Mervyn2.0__ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca### Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts ## More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others ### ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
RE: [Goanet]RE: Ogling at women
--- On Wed 03/03, Nasci Caldeira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > When kids do not know that their sisters > and mothers have legs, they become curios > and lustful; Sure Indian women in bikinis > one piece or two piece have legs and > figures as good as, if not better than the > foreighn women; but they are not seen > 'cause of stupid and unevolving, unchanging > and medieval hindutva and muslim culture Perhaps I haven't read this dialogue properly, but I don't understand how conservatively dressed women are a BAD thing. So... to the "modern" and "evolved" Goans with daughters, do you actually *encourage* them to show off their legs and figures?? Neal Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nealpinto.com - --- From: Nasci Caldeira [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 10:41:04 +1100 Subject: RE: [Goanet]RE: Ogling at women ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
RE: [Goanet]Photo of Emeliano da Cruz
I have a picture with Emeliano when I was only 3 years old. I suppose that won't help you - but your question reminded me of it. Neal Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nealpinto.com - --- On Sat 02/21, Alfred de Tavares < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: From: Alfred de Tavares [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 19:16:39 +0100 Subject: RE: [Goanet]Photo of Emeliano da Cruz >From: "fausto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <[EMAIL >PROTECTED]>>Subject: [Goanet]Photo of Emeliano da Cruz>Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 >13:03:22 +0530>>Hi,>Can someone provide me with the colour photo of the >musician Emeliano da>Cruz and his 3 nusicians/singers.>This is very urgent >please.>Fausto>You could ask the maestro himself. But, he rarely opens >his e-mail.However, Maoshe, Mario's son, will do the needful. Ask him where >you would like to have itAlfred de >Tavares_The > new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail### > Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # >PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts ## More >details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please >keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others >### ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
RE: [Goanet]Why Devanagri script for Konkani.
I live in Winnipeg. I was briefly in Toronto last month but I have never lived there. Although I am aware that there are other Pintos with the first name Neal/Neil, I regret to say that I do not know any of them personally. Neal Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nealpinto.com - --- On Sat 02/14, Alfred de Tavares < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: From: Alfred de Tavares [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 18:38:30 +0100 Subject: RE: [Goanet]Why Devanagri script for Konkani. Neal & Neil, Do the two of you, Goa-boys, know each other. You too live in Torronto area, Neal? My God-son, Neil, does. Alfred ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
RE: [Goanet]Konkani and Devanagri - a response to Neal Pinto
I'm not proficient in the Devanagri script but, from my experiences with it, I agree that it offers far more detail than the Roman script. > However, if one looks at the pre-Portuguese > history of Goa ( + Karwar & Mangalore), one > is more likely to find the preceeding 300 > years dominated by Urdu, Persian, Turkish > and Kannad - the languages of "GOA"s > Turkish, Bahamani and Vijaynagri rulers from > the East and South. > > As far as my information goes, NONE of the > above languages are scripted in Nagri. That may very well be true but we are not talking about Farsi, Turkish or Urdu. Are you saying that Konkani was originally written in Kannada and/or Persian scripts - or are you suggesting that Konkani never existed prior to Portuguese rule? When I have more time, I'll check out the articles for which you have provided links. Thanks, Neal Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nealpinto.com - --- On Sat 02/14, Jose Colaco < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: From: Jose Colaco [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 06:10:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Goanet]Konkani and Devanagri - a response to Neal Pinto Dear Neal, I enjoy reading the Devanagri script. It adds a certain sound dimension which were not easy to attain with the Romi Script; some of the deficits have now been worked out. What I have a problem with is the Imposition of the Devanagri script. There are political, employment and other implications relevant to the Imposition of Language and Script. Language which was meant to be a Means of Communication, is being used as a Means of Discrimination. you noted on Feb 13, 2004 < I was always under the impression that, before the Portuguese came, Konkani literature was written in Devanagari. If that's correct, wouldn't that be reason enough?> If that were true, it would indeed be a good reason. However, if one looks at the pre-Portuguese history of Goa ( + Karwar & Mangalore), one is more likely to find the preceeding 300 years dominated by Urdu, Persian, Turkish and Kannad - the languages of "GOA"s Turkish, Bahamani and Vijaynagri rulers from the East and South. As far as my information goes, NONE of the above languages are scripted in Nagri. regards jc Please read the Betrayal of Konkani at the following URL http://www.colaco.net/1/Konkani2004.htm Please note how a Goan Konkani writer of 42 books was discriminated against http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheGoanForum/message/905 __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
RE: [Goanet]Why Devanagri script for Konkani.
I haven't been keeping up with all the discussion on this subject so far but I was always under the impression that, before the Portuguese came, Konkani literature was written in Devanagari. If that's correct, wouldn't that be reason enough? Neal Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nealpinto.com - --- On Fri 02/13, simon carvalho < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: From: simon carvalho [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 18:50:57 +0530 Subject: [Goanet]Why Devanagri script for Konkani. 1. Can anyone tell me why the politicians in Goa favoured Devanagri scriptfor Konkani against all other Indian scripts?2. Would the Goan Hindu Politicians have accepted Devanagri script forKonkani if Marathi was written in another script and Konkani in Devanagriscript?Simon?### Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts ## More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others ### ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Thank you to TORONTO Goans!!
I am very grateful to the Toronto-area Goans who came way out to my show on Wednesday night to meet me and offer their support. It meant very much to me - especially since the Goan community here in Winnipeg is very small. Special thanks goes out to uncle Joe Lobo - who took the time to spread the word in the community. With friends like that, who needs a publicist? :) I hope to meet all of you (and more) again soon when I return to Toronto. It is starting to look like a city that I could one day call home. Neal Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nealpinto.com . - Original Message - From: "NEAL PINTO" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 10:44 AM Subject: To anyone in the TORONTO area next week!! > Dear Friends and fellow Goenkars, > > I hope you all had a great Christmas and let's all have a good New Year. > > I have a notice for our Goanet members in Toronto Canada: > > I will be performing a solo show in downtown Toronto next week on January > 7th (Wednesday) at a club called The B-Side (129 Peter St. - > http://www.the-bside.com ). > > I go on at 9:00PM SHARP. > > If you want to hear some of my music, I have some MP3's up at > http://www.nealpinto.com (including a new song I just recorded). > > So please come on down if you can and bring friends. This is my first time > in Toronto since I was about 3 years old (I'm from Winnipeg) so I hope to > meet some of you and have a good time. It would be great to have your > support. > > Hope to see you there!! > > Neal Pinto >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.nealpinto.com > > > > > ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]To anyone in the TORONTO area next week!!
Goanet next meets in Goa: January 7, 4 pm (meeting point: Kala Academy canteen). Goanet founder Herman Carneiro will be there. See you there! -- Dear Friends and fellow Goenkars, I hope you all had a great Christmas and let's all have a good New Year. I have a notice for our Goanet members in Toronto Canada: I will be performing a solo show in downtown Toronto next week on January 7th (Wednesday) at a club called The B-Side (129 Peter St. - http://www.the-bside.com ). I go on at 9:00PM SHARP. If you want to hear some of my music, I have some MP3's up at http://www.nealpinto.com (including a new song I just recorded). So please come on down if you can and bring friends. This is my first time in Toronto since I was about 3 years old (I'm from Winnipeg) so I hope to meet some of you and have a good time. It would be great to have your support. Hope to see you there!! Neal Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nealpinto.com ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
RE: [Goanet]Roman & Devnagiri script for Konkani
Goanet meets in Goa: December 27, 12 noon and January 7, 4 pm (meeting point: Kala Academy canteen). See you there! -- > For a fact, Konkani, as well as most > other Indian languages, are based on > the Sanskrit language. The Portuguese > are the ones who decided to "Romanize" > it! In fact... weren't we discussing a couple of weeks ago about how the Konkani language has retained more original Sanskrit words than some other Indian languages? Forget India... do some of you even consider Goa to be part of Asia? Neal Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nealpinto.com - --- On Fri 12/19, Nagesh Bhatcar < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: From: Nagesh Bhatcar [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:04:46 + Subject: RE: [Goanet]Roman & Devnagiri script for Konkani ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
RE: [Goanet] What insult to Goans ?
Paulo, I suppose it depends on what you define as being "native" vs. "foreigner". According to Merriam-Webster's online dictionary [http://www.m-w.com], the word "native" includes the following definitions: - belonging to a particular place by birth (eg: native to Wisconsin) - belonging to or associated with one by birth - grown, produced, or originating in a particular place or in the vicinity - living or growing naturally in a particular region So, does anybody know who this woman is? It is suspected that she is Lamani and it has been mentioned that some anthropologists define some Lamanis as being indigenous to what is now Goa. Even if that definition is false, with the knowledge that Lamanis have been in Goa for more than 40 years, could it be possible that she was born in Goa and lived there her whole life? Using the definitions I listed above, lets say that some published a picture of one of our London-born/raised Goans with a caption saying "Native of London" and there was an outrage from those of Anglo-Saxon descent saying that this Goan's image was an "insult to the British" that gives a "cheap image of London". Would that be justified? Neal Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nealpinto.com --- On Tue 12/09, Colaco-Dias, Paulo R < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: From: Colaco-Dias, Paulo R [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 10:22:22 - Subject: RE: [Goanet]What insult to Goans ? Dear Eddie, Did you find a page with a foreigner in London and a label with the words: "NATIVE OF LONDON" If yes, please send us the link and you won the challenge. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet] Insult to Goans
In response to Vivek's question as to why I did not reference a Konkani movie: I regret to say that I've never seen a Konkani movie. :-( I chose "Ms.Braganza" from KKHH because, from what I remember (I haven't seen the movie in a while), she was depicted as being some sort of westernized, 30-something, short-skirt wearing, flirt. I am NOT saying that this accurately depicts Goan women. What I was trying to say in an attempt at humour was that it seemed that those who were outraged about how this photo of a Lamani woman somehow gave Goa a "cheap image" would probably have expressed very little outrage if it were a photo of "Ms.Braganza" instead. As an aside, I did not know about this contraversy mentioned by Radhakrishnan Nair regarding Air India inaccurately referring to Goans as "descendants of the Portuguese". I don't mean to start another argument but I must say that I'm surprised that there was pressure to change that. I have encountered many Goans (especially in my age group) who have been programmed to say that they're somehow half-Portuguese or otherwise have Portuguese blood in their lineage. Neal Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nealpinto.com - ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet] Insult to Goans
> Why Neal? Have you seen the movie? It was meant to be more of a sarcastic/humorous comment than a serious suggestion. Neal Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nealpinto.com - --- On Sun 12/07, Helga do Rosario Gomes < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: From: Helga do Rosario Gomes [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 16:03:37 -0500 Subject: Re: [Goanet] Insult to Goans Why Neal? ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet] Insult to Goans
> As for me I say apologize > to that woman who was > dressed so beautifully and > has preserved her > traditional dress unlike > us Goan women Well I have a suggestion for a replacement picture to accompany the "Native Woman of Goa" caption. We should just use a photo of the "Ms.Braganza" character from the movie "Kuch Kuch Hota Hai"! We'll have to keep the fact that she spoke Hindi a secret though. We wouldn't want to give off a "cheap image" you know. ;) Neal Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nealpinto.com - --- On Sun 12/07, Helga do Rosario Gomes < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: From: Helga do Rosario Gomes [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 10:03:31 -0500 Subject: Re: [Goanet] Insult to Goans Right Neal! ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
RE: [Goanet] Insult to Goans
> She's a Lamani migrant. > > The caption is patently wrong and > offensive to call her a native of Goa. > It must be corrected immediately with > an apology. So I guess that those who pegged her as a Rajasthani should apologize as well... right? :)) Neal Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nealpinto.com - --- On Sat 12/06, Radhakrishnan Nair < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: From: Radhakrishnan Nair [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 11:24:58 +0530 Subject: [Goanet]Insult to Goans ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Wanting to be Goans!
> I have been in the UK for over forty > years and never have I known of a > non-Goan claiming to be a Goan. Although I've never lived in the UK, I have never heard of such a thing ever. Bernardo... what do you suspect these non-Goan NRI's are hoping to gain by calling themselves Goans? Neal Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nealpinto.com - --- On Fri 12/05, Eddie Fernandes < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: From: Eddie Fernandes [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 13:08:54 - Subject: Re: [Goanet]Wanting to be Goans! ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]RE: Rajasthani woman (with Picture) & more
Actually... I modified the link only to include the picture to speed-up loading but I did see the "Native Woman of Goa" caption on the original link. According to everyone here, that image is culturally inaccurate. I understand how one would be insulted on account of the misrepresentation that may have been the result of a lack of proper research (who knows?). But who are we to look down other cultures in India by saying that their image gives a "cheap" impression over whatever the heck ours is supposed to be? Neal Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nealpinto.com - --- On Thu 12/04, Gabe Menezes < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: From: Gabe Menezes [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 22:38:24 - Subject: Rajasthani woman (with Picture) & more Seems like it, the link you have below is some what changed! the original stated below the pic. Native woman of Goa. ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
RE: [Goanet]Rajasthani woman (with Picture) & more
http://www.lonelyplanet.com/photo_master/slideshow/indian_subcontinent/goa/BN20_203X.jpg Is this the photo that is in this UAE publication that everyone is talking about?? Neal Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nealpinto.com - --- On Wed 12/03, Gabe Menezes < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: From: Gabe Menezes [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 10:37:01 - Subject: [Goanet]Rajasthani woman (with Picture) & more Seems like most readers missed out this posting that came out in November, hope this re posting helps. cheers, Gabe Menezes - Original Message - From: "JoeGoaUk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet] Re: INSULT TO GOANS
I still haven't received a response on the name/issue of this publication. Before I can agree or disagree with these cries of creating a "cheap image", I think I need to see it for myself. Neal Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nealpinto.com - --- On Sun 11/30, George Pinto < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: From: George Pinto [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 09:09:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Goanet]Re: INSULT TO GOANS ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
RE: [Goanet] Udok or Udik ?
When I spoke to my father a few days ago, he mentioned the "udik" pronunciation. I don't quite remember what he said about it though. I'll phone him again and ask. Neal Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nealpinto.com - --- On Sun 11/30, Vivian D'Souza < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: From: Vivian D'Souza [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 23:58:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Goanet]Udok or Udik ? Cecil has a nice explanation of how the word Udok forwater came to be. But one of the confusing things about Konkani orConcanim (or whatever we choose to call this mae-bhaslanguage of ours) is that I hear the word UDIK usedfor water instead of UDOK. Perhaps it is a regionalthing. If so Cecil-bab, spelled backwords it becomes KIDU. Any explanation for that ?Vivian### Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts ## More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others ### ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Re: Udok
> Udak is one Sanskrit word for water. I did not know that. I assumed, because most Sanskrit-based Indo/Pakistani languages use "pani", that it could not have originated from Sanskrit. Now that I have the spelling that you provided, I was able to confirm the translation online. Now I feel much better. Thanks, Neal Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nealpinto.com - ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet] INSULT TO GOANS??
I'm very curious to see this magazine/article. If it is not available online, could you please tell me the name (and issue date) of the magazine? Maybe I can have a relative in the gulf send it (or scan/e-mail it) to me so I can see this for myself. Neal Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nealpinto.com --- On Fri 11/28, =?iso-8859-1?q?vivek=20araujo?= < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: From: =?iso-8859-1?q?vivek=20araujo?= [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 08:23:15 + (GMT) Subject: Re: [Goanet]INSULT TO GOANS ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
RE: [Goanet]This language of ours........... some answers
Alright... here's a question I have about a Konkani word:
What about UDOK (ie: water)???
I notice that almost every other Sanskrit-based language uses the word "pani" -
including Marathi (the geographically closest language), Bengali and Assamese (which
are supposed to have evolved from the same proto-language as Konkani did).
As far as I know, there is no similar sounding word (to "udok") in Portuguese,
Kannada, Malayalam, Farsi, Arabic, Turkish or modern-Mongolian.
If the word is truly indigenous to the Konkan area, I find it remarkable that a word
describing such a common item has remained uninfuenced for so long.
Can anybody share some insight?
Neal Pinto
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 13:23:09 +0530
Subject: [Goanet]This language of ours... some answers
Vivian D'Souza asked about Konkani-VD"Here" in English - Is it
Anga, Angor, Ing, Inga or Ikde ?CPThe correct word is "Heutain". Unless
you're facing North East. Then it is "Teutain". In Alto-Mapusa it is
"Teotonio"."Inga" is used only in certain areas of Sanquelim. On Saturday night in
Arpora it is "Ingo"-VD"Down" in English - Is it Sokla or
Khalla ?CPThe correct word is "Sakail" (or "Sakhaillean" if you mean
"below"). "Sokoilo" if you mean from South Goa. And "Voilo" if you mean
non-GoanVD"There" in English - is it Thuim, Tinga, Ting or
TikdeCP"Thuim, Tinga, Ting, Tikde" is a famous song from a block buster
Malayalam movie.Strangely enough, there is no word for "there" in Konkani.
You have to go there and then say the word for "here",
"Heutain"-VD"I am going" in English - is it "Aum Voita" or
"Aum Vetam" ?CPDepends where you're going.If you're going for a Tiatr
it's "Ami Voitam"If you're going for Natak it's "Ami Vetoch"If you're going
for a bullfight it's " Ami Voitau". All sentences in Salcette end with "u".If
you're going to Old Goa on 3rd December you probably will get stuck in a traffic
jam.VDIs the correct way of saying "How are you ?" in Konkani,
"Tu koho hai ?" or "Tu kosso assa ?"CPThe correct greeting is "Koss
ahai?" ("Koss ahaiu" in Salcete).A more correct and popular greeting is "Ghott
murre?", which literally translates as "Hard
Maaan?"-VDThere are a lot of other words, and idioms that
dontcome to mind at the moment. Perhaps some GoaNetterscould set me straight,
so that I can speak my beloved"Maim bhas" correctly.Vivian A.
D'SouzaCPNo offense meant Vivian, but Konkani with all it's dialects
is not an easy language to learn by the book. The best way is to converse in
Konkani at every opportunity, and probably in ten years or so you might just have
people NOT grimacing at your grammar. On the other
hand...Cheers!Cecil===###
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Re: [Goanet] DNA testing????
> recent case in the UK a bharat > kid was looking for bone marrow > transplant. The DNA profile > pointed the child to have origins > in the Meditterean. This rubbishes > indian origin. If I may request clarification: When you say "bharat kid", you mean someone who is from or whose parents are from (what is now) India? Goan or non-Goan? Has this DNA discovery led you to believe that there is no such thing as "Indian origin" (in the genetic frame of reference)? - Neal Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nealpinto.com - --- On Mon 09/22, =?iso-8859-1?q?Bernado=20Colaco?= < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Bernado=20Colaco?= [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 06:55:15 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: [Goanet] DNA testing --- Neal Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Yes, and I appreciate the fact that > > > you don't deny your Indian origin.> > > In a recent case in the UK a bharat kid was lookingfor bone marrow transplant. The DNA profile pointedthe child to have origins in the Meditterean. Thisrubbishes indian origin.Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo!Messenger http://mail.messenger.yahoo.co.uk### Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts ## More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others ### ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet] DNA testing????
> Yes, and I appreciate the fact that > you don't deny your Indian origin. Your appreciation of this raises a question with me: Are there alot of Goans who deny (or dilute) their Indian ethnic origin? I ask because, in previous experiences I've had with people who are slightly familiar with Goan culture, alot of them seemed to have the prejudice that Goans are genetically of mixed origin (ie: indigenous & Portuguese). Neal Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nealpinto.com --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Santosh Helekar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yes, and I appreciate the fact that > you don't deny your Indian origin. > > > > >What caused my comment was not the DNA issue. It was your remarks > >about the claims to "western european origin" of some Goans. But you > >conveniently chose to ignore it, and gave no answer. > > > > I did not conveniently ignore it. I just felt it was unimportant to > address it. I am sure you know that there are quite a few Goans who > are of modern Western European origin. Some are foreign tourists who > have settled down in Goa. Some may be descendants of survivors of old > ship wrecks. Some may be married to Goans. And I have heard of some > people who think they are of Portuguese or Spanish origin, but may > not actually be so. These are all Goans, as far as most of us are > concerned, and we are happy that they have chosen to be so. > > Cheers, > > Santosh > > > > ## > # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # > # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # > # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # > # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # > ## ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet] Re: Goan girl same sex marriage.
> Does anyone has maretta's or her > parents' contact numbers? Why do you want to contact her parents? Neal Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nealpinto.com - --- On Fri 07/04, Eugene Correia < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: From: Eugene Correia [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2003 06:40:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Goanet] Re: Goan girl same sex marriage. ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
RE: [Goanet] KONKANI - NOT A DIALECT OF MARATHI -
This past weekend, I was at a wedding where I met a Pakistani lady from Karachi. She had met many Goans in Karachi and was told by them that Konkani was actually a MIX of Hindi and Portuguese like it's some sort of Creole or something. Now we ALL should know that there's nothing further from the truth than the above claim. Has anyone else ever heard anyone make such a statement about the Konkani language? Neal Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nealpinto.com - --- On Thu 05/29, Bosco - Goanet Volunteer < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: From: Bosco - Goanet Volunteer [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 19:03:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Goanet] KONKANI - NOT A DIALECT OF MARATHI - On Thu, 29 May 2003 10:29:01 +0200, "Magno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>" wrote:KONKANI - NOT A DIALECT OF MARATHIby Basilio Magno (Spain)The long article in the Navhind Times early in May, titled: "Future of Konkaniis Not Very Bright" has caught the Goan community overseas by surprise and asense of rage that Shri Subash Bhende had the audacity to say that Konkani is adialect of Marathi. I guess, he is only exercising His Master's Voice, havingbeen elected in Maharashtra as the President of All India Marathi SahityaSamelan. Maharashtra's expansionistic designs on Goa is no secret and perhaps ShriBhende's interview is an attempt to furthe their cause. After sixteen yearssince Konkani was recognized as State language, the Marathiwallas have nowresurrected the language polemics in order to claim Marathi to be Goa's Statelanguage branding Konkani as a dialect of Marathi. But how dare Shri Bhende saythat "Konkani is a dialect of Marathi," when there are all the testimonies toprove that Konkani is an independent Indo-Aryan language, derived from Prakritsand Sanskrit. The fact that Bhende himself says he speaks at home Konkani andhas been teaching his seven-year-old grandson, is enough proof that Konkani isalso the Mothertongue of the Hindus in Goa and they have been respecting it tillnow.The Konkani language problem, Shri Bhende must be reminded, has been resolvedand sealed in 1987, and the double seal was placed on it on 20 August 1992, whenit entered the 8th Schedule of the Indian Constitution. That the Konkanilanguage is not a dialect of Marathi and that it is an independent language hasbeen shown by many prominent philologists, notably among them the renownedKonkani lexicographer Mgr. Sebastian Rudolpho Dalgado.In the Introduction to his book Konkani-Portuguese Dictionary - first publishedin 1893 in Portugal, Mgr. Dalgado w rites: "...From that I conclude briefly that(1) the Konkani language is Aryan and inflexive and not dravidian oragglutinative. (2) it assimilates much to Balabasha. (3) It distances lessfrom Sanskrit in grammar and vocabulary than of Marathi. (4) It is not adialect or corruption of Marathietc.Another philologist - Gerson da Cunha (1884-1900) in a book "Konkani a Language" by Dr. Jose Pereira, says: " It is said that the Marathi language is thenearest to Sanskrit of all the vernacular languages of India, but as far asordinary expressions in use are concerned, Konkani may perhaps claim to be notonly the Southernmost, but also the North India or Aryan family of languages. Although Konkani has many words in common with Marathistill there are wordscurrent among the Konkanas which cannot have been derived from Marathi.In evidence da Cunha gives the following table:" I - Konkani: ahum, Sanskrit:aham, M arathi: mi; Parrot: kir-kira-popat; Crane: bokem-baka-bagala; Dog: sunnem-svan-kutra; Thigh: zang-janga-mandi; Cheek: polo-kapola-gal; Bracelet:kankonn-kankana-bangadi; Cord: razu-rajju-dori. In all these words the Konkaniwords are based on the Sanskrit, the Marathi ones not. The same is true ofwords like polleum, uloum, apoum, votsum, etc."Dr. Jose Pereira in his Foreword to the book: "Konkani Self Taught" by Deorai,writes: "Besides, Konkani was the first of modern Indo-Aryan languages to bestandardized. It is usually grammar and prose, and not verse, that fix alanguage. The first grammar on any modern Indian tongue was one on Konkanicomposed by an unknown Goan lay brother of the College of St. Paul in Old Goa in1560." Dr. Pereira further in the same Foreword mentions the great prose-workin Konkani, saying: "Our effort of this age survives a large tome containingtales from the 'Mahabharata' and 'Ramayana' pr eserved in MS form in the PublicLibrary at Braga, in Portugal."Those who are interested to know the true status of the Konkani language woulddo well to read Dr. Jose Pereira's book: "KONKANI A LANGUAGE" - History ofthe Konkan-Marathi Controversy, published in 1971 by the Karnatak University,Darwar, In
Re: [Goanet] When we don't know we should try & find out
Vasu, In the spirit of how "When we don't know we should try & find out", did you post that e-mail as an example of what NOT to do? ;) Neal Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nealpinto.com --- - --- On Mon 05/26, < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: From: [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 20:16:12 EDT Subject: Re: [Goanet] When we don't know we should try & find out Vasudeva! You have demonstrated your ignorance about Goan names and Goans. You probably came from Central Asia as an Aryan once 6000 years ago, dominated the locals who had dominated the peninsula or subcontinent. They had dominated the Aboroginies who lived on the Indian sub-continent. I feel that you should apologise to Peter Nazareth who is as Goan as you are. I have known him and his family and they hail from Nacionala in Bardez. And you then go on to ridicule Mangloreans. How am I to condemn the racism I see in the West when we are so racist towards each other. Peter has the right to say what he has said without insulting anyone. You have the right to enter into a debate and convince him if you think him wrong but please stop insulting a person who probably has no time to discuss your wayward way. Wake up Charlie, this world is not only yours to shape. Edgar Martins## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts ## More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others ###___Goanet mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.goanet.org/mailman/listinfo/goanet ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## ___ Goanet mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.goanet.org/mailman/listinfo/goanet
Re: [Goanet] Anti-American sentiment
For more information/links, see http://goanet.netfirms.com > It is very naive to think that > the Iraqi people will be free > and prosperous after this war. I agree. I suppose anything is better than living under Saddam Hussein (except for maybe the Khmer Rouge at its peak) but here's a possible scenario to discuss: Once the Iraqi people realize that the only people who have been "liberated" are those who managed to benefit from associations with companies like Haliburton, Unocal and their splinter companies (these are the "liberated Iraqis" we'll get to see on CNN) and the poor are still rotting and starving as before, the political opposition will begin again. Of course by then, Iraq will have been rebuilt by the American frame of reference (ie: the oil's a flowin' again) and the new "regime" will be left alone to deal with their political dissidents as they see fit as long as it doesn't disrupt the industry. And all the rape, torture and murder will slowly resume as before. Possible? Oh... and if all Karzai has control over is Kabul (if that), how long before he's rowing the same boat as Serbia's Zoran Djindjic? Neal Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nealpinto.com - --- On Fri 04/04, Tim de Mello < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: From: Tim de Mello [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 23:29:28 + Subject: Re: [Goanet] Anti-American sentiment For more information/links, see http://goanet.netfirms.com>From: "Nagesh Bhatcar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said"The money of the Iraqi people will be used to reconstruct Iraq that is being destroyed by the US and will perhaps finance the war, "There is no "perhaps" here. Iraqi oil will be used to finance the US led illegal invasion of Iraq. And the US will pressure Kuwait to cough up a few billion for "protection money".In 1991, the Saudis, who foolishly joined the alliance were presented with a bill of approx. $42 billion. To say they were surprised would be putting it mildly. Guess why they have not joined the alliance this time. The balance of the money for that war came from Kuwait - "because they invited the US in". Nice for the US who were able to test out their latest weapons of mass destruction against a third world people at little or no cost to themselves.The US has to recover about $80 billion to cover the cost of this invasion. Other than Kuwait, the only other source of revenue will be Iraqi oil.It is very naive to think that the Iraqi people will be free and prosperous after this war. Free, maybe, but they will be as prosperous as the Afghanis are today._Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail___Goanet mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.goanet.org/mailman/listinfo/goanet ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ Goanet mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.goanet.org/mailman/listinfo/goanet
Re: [Goanet] How many pro-war rallies have you attended?
For more information/links, see http://goanet.netfirms.com > Without pontificating on either side of the > debate, it appears to me (if I'm reading it > correctly) that the above comment smacks > of misplaced intellectual elitism! Perhaps my statement was a bit too pretentious on surface. I shop at Wal-Mart too (for certain items) but my statement was directed at neither every person who shops Wal-Mart nor every person who attended those pro-war rallies. One might need to read between the lines a little bit further. Neal Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nealpinto.com - --- On Thu 04/03, James Almeida < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: From: James Almeida [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 17:04:55 + Subject: Re: [Goanet] How many pro-war rallies have you attended? For more information/links, see http://goanet.netfirms.com>You should see some of the people at these pro-war rallies.>>Some of them would buy their wedding dresses at Wal-Mart if the could. ;)>>Neal PintoWithout pontificating on either side of the debate, it appears to me (if I'm reading it correctly) that the above comment smacks of misplaced intellectual elitism!For the record, I do patronize WalMart for some of the items on my shopping list. Not a bad place to shop (don't know about wedding dresses!), for specific categories of products. :-)James_Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail___Goanet mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.goanet.org/mailman/listinfo/goanet ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ Goanet mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.goanet.org/mailman/listinfo/goanet
RE: [Goanet] Fwd: Yahoo! News Story - Canadians Demonstrate in Favor of U.S.-Led War
For more information/links, see http://goanet.netfirms.com You should see some of the people at these pro-war rallies. Some of them would buy their wedding dresses at Wal-Mart if the could. ;) Neal Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nealpinto.com - --- On Mon 03/31, Carmo Dias < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: From: Carmo Dias [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 18:29:42 + Subject: [Goanet] Fwd: Yahoo! News Story - Canadians Demonstrate in Favor of U.S.-Led War ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ Goanet mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.goanet.org/mailman/listinfo/goanet
Re: [Goanet] X DAY OF WAR AGAINST IRAQ.
For more information/links, see http://goanet.netfirms.com > Think about it,f Kuwait was > exporting peanuts instead of > oil Then this war would be about peanut oil? ;) Potato chip companies would be behind the whole conspiracy!! :) Neal Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nealpinto.com - --- On Sun 03/30, noel < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: From: noel [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 19:07:51 +1000 Subject: Re: [Goanet] X DAY OF WAR AGAINST IRAQ. For more information/links, see http://goanet.netfirms.comVeronica,I can understand your sentiments, but if for one second you think that theAmericans or the coalition of 40 as you call it, are there to protectKuwait, you've got rocks in your head. Think about it,f Kuwait wasexporting peanuts instead of oil.- Original Message -From: "A. Veronica Fernandes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 5:04 AMSubject: [Goanet] X DAY OF WAR AGAINST IRAQ.> > For more information/links, see http://goanet.netfirms.com> >>>> X DAY OF WAR AGAINST IRAQ.>___Goanet mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.goan et.org/mailman/listinfo/goanet ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ Goanet mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.goanet.org/mailman/listinfo/goanet
Re: [Goanet] I am a Goan!
For more information/links, see http://goanet.netfirms.com > The people of Goa are a passive > and friendly race who does not > have a tradition or culture of > violence. Since when are Goans their own "race"? Neal Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nealpinto.com - --- On Thu 03/20, =?iso-8859-1?q?chandor=20cotta?= < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: From: =?iso-8859-1?q?chandor=20cotta?= [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 17:56:24 + (GMT) Subject: Re: [Goanet] I am a Goan! Please note the people of Goa were never given the promised referendum on autonomy or independence. There was no mandate from the people of Goa, on Indian? only invasion! I was born a Goan, which means I am not Pakistani, Russian, Japanese etc.; this does not make me anti anything or anybody. You can call yourself anything you want do not force us to be your image! I was born a Goan and I would like to die a Goan not Indian. 41 years ago the Indian government invaded my country Goa and promised the indigenous goan people a referendum on autonomy or independence. People like us have been persistently asking for a referendum on Goa, to be decided by indigenous Goans, on autonomy or independence. The people of Goa are a passive and friendly race who does not have a tradition or culture of violence. Perhaps this is the reason Why Bangladesh and Pakistan is Independent? Would we be Indian if we were Islamic? WWW.FreeGoa.com Sunila Muzawar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: For more information/links, see http://goanet.netfirms.comRemember, whatever we have done since liberation is of our own making. If you don't like it, do something about it. The problem is at election time instead of focussing on development we are more worried about caste and religion. And the rest of the time we moan at the pace of development. Only we can change things. No use moaning about Indians or the Portuguese.SunilaP.S. you are right about the bharati toilet. We did not even have decent sanitation and public toilet facilities during Portuguese rule. It's only after integrating with India that this has come about. So calling the toilets bharati is no problem in my mind. After all we are all bharati and I for one am proud to be one. How ever, if your intention was to be derogatory, please imagine what Goa would have been without them.>From: Bernado Colaco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]>Subject: Re: [Goanet] I am a Goan!>Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 06:20:04 + (GMT)>>>For more information/links, see http://goanet.netfirms.com>>>>Yes we have electricity that does not work!>>Yes we have phones that do not work!>>Yes we have roads full of potholes!>>Yes we have malaria where thousands are infected and>die!>>Yes we have 95% literacy where the so called literate>can not read write or listen!>>Yes we have democracy where thugs, goons, smugglers>and thieves are elected!>>What we have is a large bharati to ilet in the making!>>>> --- Sunila Muzawar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: >_MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus___Goanet mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.goanet.org/mailman/listinfo/goanethttp://uk.yahoo.com/mail/tagline_xtra/?http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail_storage.html";>With Yahoo! Mail you can get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that fits your needs ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ Goanet mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.goanet.org/mailman/listinfo/goanet
RE: [Goanet] Macau not a Portuguese toilet
For more information/links, see http://goanet.netfirms.com Okay... maybe I missed something here. What point were you trying to make by introducing Macau into this dialogue? I don't know where this "Portuguese toilet" reference is coming from but okay I will make a point to visit Macau in the next couple of years. Neal Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nealpinto.com --- On Fri 03/14, =?iso-8859-1?q?Bernado=20Colaco?= < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Bernado=20Colaco?= [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 07:23:38 + (GMT) Subject: [Goanet] Macau not a Portuguese toilet For more information/links, see http://goanet.netfirms.com Mr.Pinto, Lets us not talk of models to divert attention. Please visit Macau. Check it out if it is a Portuguese toilet? Colaco > > For more information/links, see > http://goanet.netfirms.com > > > > > > > For the record, India's GDP is approximately 14 > times bigger than Portugal (although I agree that it > still doesn't account for the population > difference). > > I never suggested that Portugal was worse off than > India. I simply asked IF Goa would have been > better off. I've never believed that Goa stood a > chance of being an entity completely independent of > both India and Portugal. > > I have been born and raised in Canada so the Indian > authorities never had a chance to "brainwash" me. > I've just observed countless Goans passionately > reject any connection to India (or its people) as if > they look in the mirror each morning and pray for > their skin to lighten. > > My perception could have been incorrect but I sensed > that there was a bit of pretentiousness in referring > to Goa now being part of "third-world sewage". > Portugal may be rich when compared to India on the > points of GDP vs. population but, in the context of > western-Europe, Portugal is one of the poorest > countries. > > As far as using the example of Macau as how a > Portuguese colony has remained successful, I can't > comment. How similar (or different) were the Goan > and Macanese economic models? What has the extent > of Portuguese influence been on Macau compared to > Goa and what were the differences in their > dependence on Portugal? Basically, can they be > compared directly? > > Neal Pinto >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.nealpinto.com > > > --- On Thu 03/13, Ivor < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > wrote: > From: Ivor [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 22:31:02 -0800 > Subject: Re: [Goanet] Look at Portugal > > > For more information/links, see > http://goanet.netfirms.com > > > > > > Well said - thank you guys. > > Ivor (Samora) > > > -Original Message- > From: Lily & Gabe Menezes > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 6:00 PM > Subject: Re: [Goanet] Look at Portugal > > > > > >For more information/links, see > http://goanet.netfirms.com > > > > > > > > > > > >The U.K. is considered one of the richest countries > in the world. the > G.D.P. > >or London is greater than Sweden. > >Check your facts before you shoot! > > > >Cheers Gabe Menezes > > > > > >Mr. Pinto, you talk about looking at Portugal. > Well, indeed, why not? I > >invite you and all other brainwashed Goans to take > a good look at Portugal. > >Have you ever set foot in this country? I doubt > very much. You may be in > for > >the shock of your life. You are probably part of > that generation of Goans > >that was thoroughly brainwashed by the Indian > authorities (they are very > >good at that), and believe Portugal to be a poor > and backward country. In > >fact, some people in Goa think that Portugal is > poorer thanIndia! Such > >levels of ignorance are tragic. We are indeed poor, > compared to Norway or > >Switzerland, but then the UK also is! However, by > Indian standards, we > >should be very rich. I would like to inform you > that Portugal's GDP is > >around US $ 130 bn,
Re: [Goanet] Look at Portugal????
For more information/links, see http://goanet.netfirms.com For the record, India's GDP is approximately 14 times bigger than Portugal (although I agree that it still doesn't account for the population difference). I never suggested that Portugal was worse off than India. I simply asked IF Goa would have been better off. I've never believed that Goa stood a chance of being an entity completely independent of both India and Portugal. I have been born and raised in Canada so the Indian authorities never had a chance to "brainwash" me. I've just observed countless Goans passionately reject any connection to India (or its people) as if they look in the mirror each morning and pray for their skin to lighten. My perception could have been incorrect but I sensed that there was a bit of pretentiousness in referring to Goa now being part of "third-world sewage". Portugal may be rich when compared to India on the points of GDP vs. population but, in the context of western-Europe, Portugal is one of the poorest countries. As far as using the example of Macau as how a Portuguese colony has remained successful, I can't comment. How similar (or different) were the Goan and Macanese economic models? What has the extent of Portuguese influence been on Macau compared to Goa and what were the differences in their dependence on Portugal? Basically, can they be compared directly? Neal Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nealpinto.com --- On Thu 03/13, Ivor < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: From: Ivor [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 22:31:02 -0800 Subject: Re: [Goanet] Look at Portugal For more information/links, see http://goanet.netfirms.com Well said - thank you guys. Ivor (Samora) -Original Message- From: Lily & Gabe Menezes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 6:00 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Look at Portugal > >For more information/links, see http://goanet.netfirms.com > > > > > >The U.K. is considered one of the richest countries in the world. the G.D.P. >or London is greater than Sweden. >Check your facts before you shoot! > >Cheers Gabe Menezes > > >Mr. Pinto, you talk about looking at Portugal. Well, indeed, why not? I >invite you and all other brainwashed Goans to take a good look at Portugal. >Have you ever set foot in this country? I doubt very much. You may be in for >the shock of your life. You are probably part of that generation of Goans >that was thoroughly brainwashed by the Indian authorities (they are very >good at that), and believe Portugal to be a poor and backward country. In >fact, some people in Goa think that Portugal is poorer thanIndia! Such >levels of ignorance are tragic. We are indeed poor, compared to Norway or >Switzerland, but then the UK also is! However, by Indian standards, we >should be very rich. I would like to inform you that Portugal's GDP is >around US $ 130 bn, for a population of 10 million. India, with more than >100 times that population, has a GDP only about 4 times bigger!!!So who's >poor? >It would be interesting to know what "look" at Portugal you had in mind. >If you want to make comparisons, let's get down to it. Some things that are >said about Portugal on goanet make those who say them look quite ridiculous, >in this Information Era! > > > > > >>From: "Neal Pinto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Subject: Re: [Goanet] All Goans are Indians? Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 >>15:28:27 -0500 (EST) >> >> >>For more information/links, see http://goanet.netfirms.com >>**** >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Do these pro-indian Goans want >> > Goa to be part of a third world >> > sewage? >> >>Look at Portugal right now. Do you think Goa would have been any better >>had it remained under their administration? >> >> >>Neal Pinto >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>http://www.nealpinto.com >> >> >> >> --- On Fri 03/07, =?iso-8859-1?q?Bernado=20Colaco?= < [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > wrote: >>From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Bernado=20Colaco?= [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 07:23:52 + (GMT) >>Subject: Re: [Goanet] All Goan
Re: [Goanet] All Goans are Indians?
For more information/links, see http://goanet.netfirms.com > Do these pro-indian Goans want > Goa to be part of a third world > sewage? Look at Portugal right now. Do you think Goa would have been any better had it remained under their administration? Neal Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nealpinto.com --- On Fri 03/07, =?iso-8859-1?q?Bernado=20Colaco?= < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Bernado=20Colaco?= [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 07:23:52 + (GMT) Subject: Re: [Goanet] All Goans are Indians? For more information/links, see http://goanet.netfirms.com > > > Without taking fixed and inflexible sides, we > could continually ask which > > post-1961 changes are benefitting Goa and which > are harming it. The benefits of post 1961 are the brainwashing young Goans by the bharati serkar, to accept that it is OK for Goa to be part of a third world country. Do these pro-indian Goans want Goa to be part of a third world sewage? Goencho fudar fokot bharati sekarachea suteao zaun! __ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.goanet.org/mailman/listinfo/goanet ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ Goanet mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.goanet.org/mailman/listinfo/goanet
Re: [Goanet] Re: All Goans are Indians
For more information/links, see http://goanet.netfirms.com "Indian" is a colour word? Please explain in more depth. - Neal Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nealpinto.com - --- On Wed 03/05, < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: From: [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 14:25:34 EST Subject: Re: [Goanet] Re: All Goans are Indians For more information/links, see http://goanet.netfirms.com In a message dated 03/05/2003 2:46:59 AM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << >It is an unmitigated fact that the State of Goa is presently an >integral part of Republic of India. The subcontinent of India, also >includes Nepal, Bhutan, Sikkim, Pakistan and Bangladesh. > But from the above perspective, which I think is eminently sound, everybody from the Indian subcontinent can be regarded as an Indian, in the same sense that anybody who has any link with Goa can be regarded as a Goan. So, Paddy, even though I meant it differently, the assertion that all Goans are Indians actually reflects a very enlightened view. No tunnel vision here. >> And, for good measure, would we also not want to include native American Indians? I'm truly fascinated by your sound logical deduction! IMHO, 'Indian' is a colo(u)r word, with different meanings, and hence should be avoided in generalizations. It would immensely help if the proper context is specified in order to preclude the least semblance of tunnel vision. We all seem to see the world from our own perspective of where the tunnel ends. Of course, I am well aware of your broad cosmpolitan outlook, Chimbelcho :-) Thanks for your kind responses. Cheerio: Pat PS: If only meanings could be effectively deduced from words, this world would be far better off without all those legal wranglings and political bickering. Hence the call for "One World Order;" though "One India" seems more plausible and worthy of debate. ___ Goanet mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.goanet.org/mailman/listinfo/goanet ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ Goanet mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.goanet.org/mailman/listinfo/goanet
RE: [Goanet] BERNA CRUZ: Complaints against US Immigration Inspectors/ Officials
For more information/links, see http://goanet.netfirms.com Has someone already contacted the US Department of Justice? I ask because, this past Monday around 5:20PM EST, someone visited my website whose IP address I managed to trace to the US Department Of Justice. I discovered that they reached my site via a link that was in an e-mail made available through the Goanet public message archives ( http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg00010.html to be exact). I'm NOT joking about this. Action or coincidence? Neal Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nealpinto.com ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ Goanet mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.goanet.org/mailman/listinfo/goanet
Re: [Goanet] INS-deported Canadian a Goan? Role of Goa Netters!!
For more information/links, see http://goanet.netfirms.com Someone should send a letter to Dinesh D'Souza too. :) Neal Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nealpinto.com --- On Wed 02/19, Venantius J Pinto < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: From: Venantius J Pinto [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 16:56:07 EDT Subject: Re: [Goanet] INS-deported Canadian a Goan? Role of Goa Netters!! For more information/links, see http://goanet.netfirms.com Edgar, Your suggestion about petitioning Ted Kennedy is a good idea. I would like to sign this letter. Here are two ways we could approach it. 1. Could you draft this letter or have someone closely familiar with the issue do it and then circulate it on the list. Please do not misunderstand my suggesting you darft it. No pressure here. 2. Could Goanet put up a petition on their site that we could all go to and sign. I feel this way no one feels pressured. After a cut-off date the collated signatures could be fowarded to the indefatigible Senator either through you or directly by the keepers of Goanet. Venantius J Pinto > >For more information/links, see http://goanet.netfirms.com > > > > >Suggestion: > >Fellow Readers; > >Goanet is a vibrant and rumbunctious Asian cyberfora >community. This community can do something for an >innocent mother and Asian Canadian Naturalized Citizen >who had to face ridicule at the hands of an INS >inspector of the NEw Homeland Security DHS in Chicago. > >A good approach is writing a complaint letter to >Senator Ted Kennedy of Masachusetts who is on several >Immigration Control and Reform Acts with the Dept. of >Justice, this should be attached with signed petition >containing addresses contact numbers of petitioners. >As a Community we can do something instead of bashing >up with rhetoric and opinions. > >To this end I have worked closely with Senator of >several of his Asian Campaigns and I am known to his >office in the US Senate. > >If there is backing and participation we can all come >together and show the world what we can do as a >community for an innocent woman be it Goan or non-Goan >she is a person of South East Asian Decent. > >Let me know I can get this done. > > >EF >Boston, MA > > > > >__ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day >http://shopping.yahoo.com > >___ >Goanet mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.goanet.org/mailman/listinfo/goane ___ Goanet mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.goanet.org/mailman/listinfo/goanet ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ Goanet mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.goanet.org/mailman/listinfo/goanet
Re: [Goanet] INS-deported Canadian a Goan? Role of Goa Netters!!
For more information/links, see http://goanet.netfirms.com - Neal Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nealpinto.com - --- On Wed 02/19, Venantius J Pinto < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: From: Venantius J Pinto [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 16:56:07 EDT Subject: Re: [Goanet] INS-deported Canadian a Goan? Role of Goa Netters!! For more information/links, see http://goanet.netfirms.com Edgar, Your suggestion about petitioning Ted Kennedy is a good idea. I would like to sign this letter. Here are two ways we could approach it. 1. Could you draft this letter or have someone closely familiar with the issue do it and then circulate it on the list. Please do not misunderstand my suggesting you darft it. No pressure here. 2. Could Goanet put up a petition on their site that we could all go to and sign. I feel this way no one feels pressured. After a cut-off date the collated signatures could be fowarded to the indefatigible Senator either through you or directly by the keepers of Goanet. Venantius J Pinto > >For more information/links, see http://goanet.netfirms.com > > > > >Suggestion: > >Fellow Readers; > >Goanet is a vibrant and rumbunctious Asian cyberfora >community. This community can do something for an >innocent mother and Asian Canadian Naturalized Citizen >who had to face ridicule at the hands of an INS >inspector of the NEw Homeland Security DHS in Chicago. > >A good approach is writing a complaint letter to >Senator Ted Kennedy of Masachusetts who is on several >Immigration Control and Reform Acts with the Dept. of >Justice, this should be attached with signed petition >containing addresses contact numbers of petitioners. >As a Community we can do something instead of bashing >up with rhetoric and opinions. > >To this end I have worked closely with Senator of >several of his Asian Campaigns and I am known to his >office in the US Senate. > >If there is backing and participation we can all come >together and show the world what we can do as a >community for an innocent woman be it Goan or non-Goan >she is a person of South East Asian Decent. > >Let me know I can get this done. > > >EF >Boston, MA > > > > >__ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day >http://shopping.yahoo.com > >___ >Goanet mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.goanet.org/mailman/listinfo/goane ___ Goanet mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.goanet.org/mailman/listinfo/goanet ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ Goanet mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.goanet.org/mailman/listinfo/goanet
RE: [Goanet] =?x-unknown?q?Re=3A_=5BGoanet=5D_=BF=BFINS-deported_Canadian_a_?==?x-unknown?q?Goan=3F=3F?=
For more information/links, see http://goanet.netfirms.com > Mrs Cruz should do what every American > does in cases like this. Hire an attorney and > sue the pants off the INS. I hope she does take legal action but, as it looks right now from that article, she's been barred from re-entering the USA. I wouldn't be surprised if, with the possibility of a lawsuit, the INS takes their sweet time in lifting that suspension. I'm no lawyer but I suspect it will be pretty hard to sue someone in the USA if you're not in the USA to do it. Does anyone know how that might work? > Something that I have noticed is that, > anything related with Canada seems to > attract the extra attention of the folks at > INS. I don't know if it was because she was Canadian. I'm sure that they unnecessarily deport people of Indo/Pakistani descent all the time. What makes this newsworthy is that she was deported to a country where she was no longer a citizen (unlike the case with the Syrian guy where he had dual citizenship) with her documentation altered to a point where she may have run into serious trouble in India. What bothered me was that, just because her name wasn't something like "Singh", "Mohammed" or "Vijayakumaranandabalasubramaniam", they assumed it must have been a fake name. I can't wait to hear if/how the USA and INS will try to cover this up. Neal Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nealpinto.com --- --- On Mon 02/17, Tariq Siddiqui < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: From: Tariq Siddiqui [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 08:49:55 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Goanet] =?X-UNKNOWN?Q?Re=3A_=5BGoanet=5D_=BF=BFINS-deported_Canadian_a_?= =?X-UNKNOWN?Q?Goan=3F=3F?= Goanet needs your participation to grow. Post your comments, views, queries and inputs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sat, 15 Feb 2003, Tim de Mello wrote: > It is truly disgraceful how little it takes now for Americans to show their > true colours. This is not the only case I have heard of. This one just got > more profile. > Something that I have noticed is that, anything related with Canada seems to attract the extra attention of the folks at INS. Seems like Canada is on some unofficial "list" with the INS/FBI -- Tariq Siddiqui [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Rockets Lover! Laker Hater !!! *** ___ Goanet mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.goanet.org/mailman/listinfo/goanet ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ Goanet mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.goanet.org/mailman/listinfo/goanet
[Goanet] ¿¿INS-deported Canadian a Goan??
The following article (attached below) is about a Canadian woman by the name of Berna Cruz who INS officials deported to India. Is she a Goan? Neal Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nealpinto.com --- OTTAWA ASKS U.S. ABOUT CLAIM OF 'DEPORTED' CANADIAN http://ca.news.yahoo.com/030214/5/rtnu.html OTTAWA (Reuters) - Canada said on Friday it would press Washington to probe the case of a Canadian citizen who said U.S. officials destroyed her passport at Chicago's O'Hare Airport and put her on a plane to India. Berna Cruz -- who was born in India -- told the Toronto Star that Immigration and Naturalization Services (INS) officials accused her of using a fake passport, denied her consular assistance and threatened her with jail. The newspaper ran picture of Cruz holding up her mutilated passport. "We're going to bring her case to the attention of the State Department in Washington, request an explanation on the INS refusal to grant at least one phone call to Ms Cruz, and we'll see what the American response is going to be," Canadian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Kimberly Phillips told Reuters. Cruz said her nightmare began on Jan. 27 when her flight from India arrived in Chicago and an INS official accused her of having a fake passport. She said another official suggested she had bought the passport in Sri Lanka and threatened to throw her in jail. Her requests to talk to Canadian officials were denied, she said. An INS officer cut out the front page of the passport and filled each page with "expedited removal" stamps, she said, then she was photographed, fingerprinted, barred from reentering the U.S. for five years and put on a plane to India, via Kuwait. "It was a total abuse," Cruz told the Star. "I want to see them punished for this and bring some justice." Cruz said she managed to leave the plane in Kuwait and waited three days before Canadian officials issued her with an emergency passport. No one at the U.S. embassy in Ottawa was immediately available to comment. Last September U.S. agents at New York's John F. Kennedy airport arrested a Canadian they suspected of links to militant groups and expelled him to Syria. Mohamed Arar is still in detention while authorities are probing whether he has links to groups such as al Qaeda. In the wake of the Arar affair Canada issued a rare travel advisory telling citizens born in countries such as Iran and Saudi Arabia to think carefully before entering the United States for any reason. --- ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ Goanet mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.goanet.org/mailman/listinfo/goanet
