Re: [Goanet] Re: Cricket Fiasco!
Why ruin everything ? Cricket on a sunday morning in shivaji park as a 15 year oldLot of memories will fade but that one evokes pleasure. Dont be a spoil sport with brahmin this and that and cricket. --- George Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Tony, 7 years ago, Pakistan was 26 for 6 before Moin > Khan scored 70 and Pakistan beat India at > Calcutta (deja vu!). The present Indian team has > never scored more than 300 to win a test in the > 4th innings, they scored about 250 in 2001 (Sri > Lanka) and about 230 in 2004 (Australia) so there > wasn't much of a chance they would score 600. > > Sometime ago, I posted an article which said cricket > is a brahmin's game in India. May be time for > the other castes to have a chance to redeem this > dubious distinction. > > Regards, > George > > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > DUBIOUS DISTINCTION: > > We must be the first country in cricketing > history to have lost > > a Test Match by 314 runs on the fourth day after > winning the toss, > > putting the opponents in to bat, getting a > hat-trick for no score > > in the very first over and having the opponents > reeling at 26 for five > > and 90 for seven wickets at one stage! > > Some record indeed for a team claiming to have > a formidable batting > > line-up. It is time for a reality check and some > serious introspection. > > Forget the TV advertising shoots and get back to > some serious practice > > sessions at the nets! > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[Goanet] Re: *View From The Outer Harbour (02-01-2006)
-- | Wishing all Goanetters | | a Prosperous | | and | | Happy New Year - 2006 | |Goanet - http://www.goanet.org | -- whatever the cause, one cannot condone murder...if not the law, however imperfect, what else is there? --- Thalmann Pereira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A very stunning event has > taken place in the highlands of Sattari. A whole > village has risen in revolt. And it has shaken the > bottom out of the theory that Goans are "Sussegado". -- |Goa - 2005 Santosh Trophy Champions | || | Support Soccer Activities at the grassroots in our villages | | Vacationing in Goa this year-end - Carry and distribute Soccer Balls | --
[Goanet] Re: Goa: Hindu Organizations Demand Action against Maqbool Fida Hussain
-- | Wishing all Goanetters | | a Prosperous | | and | | Happy New Year - 2006 | |Goanet - http://www.goanet.org | -- Dr. Sawant should visit Khajuraho. Every diety is naked...and seems to be enjoying it. Hurt the sentiments of Hindus indeed.i am not religiousbut am proud that our pagan goddesses have figures which though unrealistic are delightful --- Gabe Menezes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > News -- Goa: Hindu Organizations Demand Action > against Maqbool Fida Hussain -- |Goa - 2005 Santosh Trophy Champions | || | Support Soccer Activities at the grassroots in our villages | | Vacationing in Goa this year-end - Carry and distribute Soccer Balls | --
[Goanet] Re: Stand up to the 'bhailes' - Ethel da Costa
-- | Wishing all Goanetters | | a Prosperous | | and | | Happy New Year - 2006 | |Goanet - http://www.goanet.org | -- Ethel, You have my word that I will refuse to attend any party Amitabh invites me to. Nothing in the post so far I am happy to report.. > HEART TO HEART (Jan 1, 2006) > By Ethel Da Costa > > Goans, it's time to govern our land! I'm not a party > pooper. -- |Goa - 2005 Santosh Trophy Champions | || | Support Soccer Activities at the grassroots in our villages | | Vacationing in Goa this year-end - Carry and distribute Soccer Balls | --
Re: [Goanet] Chacha or Chachee
-- || |Goanetters annual meet in Goa is scheduled for Dec 27, 2005 @ 4pm | || |The Riviera Opposite Hotel Mandovi, Panjim (near Ferry Jetty/Riverfront)| | Attending...drop a line to [EMAIL PROTECTED]| -- < wrote: __ Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/ -- |Goa - 2005 Santosh Trophy Champions | || | Support Soccer Activities at the grassroots in our villages | | Vacationing in Goa this year-end - Carry and distribute Soccer Balls | --
Re: [Goanet] Chacha or Chachee?
-- || |Goanetters annual meet in Goa is scheduled for Dec 27, 2005 @ 4pm | || |The Riviera Opposite Hotel Mandovi, Panjim (near Ferry Jetty/Riverfront)| | Attending...drop a line to [EMAIL PROTECTED]| -- Afra, Have you ever lived in India? in Bombay? is there any christian on this board who has? I am also curious how you determine whether a child is Muslim or Hindu? How does one tell? --- afra dias <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi goanetters, > > Quote: > "(Afra Dias wrote: When a Hindu/Muslim in Goa calls > me 'Untie' I tell them > since when did I become ur Aunt. It is a 'p*ss take' > as far as I'm concerned.) > > That's in bad taste, Afra! Never thought you're that > type!" > -- RKN > > -- > So! Have you come accross a Hindu or Muslim child > call their own kind Auntie? > Why do they pick on Christians to call them Uncle or > Auntie? > Why not Chacha or Chachhi? as a blanket cover > regardless of religion? > > Afra. > > -- > |Goa - 2005 Santosh Trophy > Champions | > | > | > | Support Soccer Activities at the grassroots > in our villages | > | Vacationing in Goa this year-end - Carry and > distribute Soccer Balls | > -- > __ Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/ -- |Goa - 2005 Santosh Trophy Champions | || | Support Soccer Activities at the grassroots in our villages | | Vacationing in Goa this year-end - Carry and distribute Soccer Balls | --
Re: [Goanet] Re: Train travel
-- | Add your name to the CLEAN GOA INITIATIVE | || | by visiting this link and following the instructions therein | || | http://shire.symonds.net/pipermail/goanet/2005-October/033926.html | -- Are you serious? I always carry a bottle of xxx on railway journeysnever been hassled by mamas... --- Norman Jude Pereira wrote: > -- > | Add your name to the CLEAN GOA > INITIATIVE | > | > | > | by visiting this link and following the > instructions therein | > | > | > | > http://shire.symonds.net/pipermail/goanet/2005-October/033926.html > | > -- > re.travel on any train that leaves goa... the > oppurtunistic railway cops check u for liquor even > at > dadar station on alighting too, especially if your > train arrives in the evening and threaten you > imprisonment if > found with liquor or else a bribe.,Can one find out > if > the railway police are authorised to check > passengers > specifically for liquor which is for personal > consumption and that too in the middle of the night > on > the train going to delhi ??? or is this an organised > racket??? > cheers > norman pereira > > -- > | 1st Young Goans International Essay > contest 2005 | > | > | > | Theme: WHAT CAN I DO FOR GOA > | > | More details at > | > | > http://shire.symonds.net/pipermail/goanet/2005-October/034190.html >| > -- > __ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ -- | 1st Young Goans International Essay contest 2005 | || | Theme: WHAT CAN I DO FOR GOA | | More details at| | http://shire.symonds.net/pipermail/goanet/2005-October/034190.html| --
Re: [Goanet] No caste is also a handicap
-- | Add your name to the CLEAN GOA INITIATIVE | || | by visiting this link and following the instructions therein | || | http://shire.symonds.net/pipermail/goanet/2005-October/033926.html | -- I am not usually sentimental and give as good as I get, but the article below brought tears. what could have been. > > At its height, tens of families of various castes > and creed renounced > it in an attempt to abolish that system and bury > inhuman > discrimination. Among them were also Brahmins. The > new community > described itself as Ajaat (ones without any caste) > and called their > new religion Manavta. > > Inter-caste marriages then became an easy norm and > gender parity a > must. The families, proud of their new casteless > status, heralded the > Indian independence with a dream of a society based > on equality. __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com -- | 1st Young Goans International Essay contest 2005 | || | Theme: WHAT CAN I DO FOR GOA | | More details at| | http://shire.symonds.net/pipermail/goanet/2005-October/034190.html| --
Re: [Goanet] RED LIGHT FOR YOU' from your friend Floriano
This Agnelo guy is an Indian double agent, paid by the occupying forces to make goans look silly. --- "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Senhor Eric: > > Senhor Eric, I'm Goan Paclo, Goan Portuguese, the > Goan Patriot, the Brave > Heart. I don't have to edit nothing as you mentioned > below. I want Indians > leave my motherland Goa, otherwise we will force __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet] IS INDIA SPLITABLE?
People wishng India to be splitted, should learn grammer first :) __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet]Goanet Reader: Against the tide, Nalini de Sousa...
Worth more than a million Bernados and Colacos, this one. --- Goanet Reader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > AGAINST THE TIDE: NALINI De SOUSA, WHO EMBARKED ON A > RETURN JOURNEY __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: [Goanet]Re: Re: britain and immigrants
QED > As yet, I do NOT know any chauvinistic Goans, hence, > it appears that they > exist only in your subtle mind. However, what I know > that there are MALE > chauvinist Kerelites who most of them DEMANDS > dowries from their would be > wife and in-laws. They mostly select their brides > from the highest > quotations. Do you have any personal experience in > this matter? ... do you > have any comments or have guts to make any sound > comments in this matter? > > Cip > UK > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf > Of Radhakrishnan Nair > Sent: 01 August 2005 07:43 > To: goanet@goanet.org > Subject: [Goanet]Re: Re: britain and immigrants > > > (The statement is NOT true, in fact totally wrong. > Cip) > > What statement is totally wrong, Cip? > > -- RKN > > > --- Radhakrishnan Nair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >COMMENT: If the word 'Foreigners' is replaced with > >'Outsiders', the above comment would fit the Goan > situation nicely. > > > >Of course, for 'white Britain' read 'some > >chauvinistic Goans'. > > > >Cheers, > > > >RKN > > _ > 7000 classifieds > http://www.sulekha.com/classifieds/cllist.aspx?nma=IN&ref=msn > -Chennai, > Mumbai, Hyderabad Bangalore. > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet]RE: britain and immigrants
Exactly. Sorry , but Goans who display racist attitudes towards indians get no sympathy from me when they encounter rascism abroad. --- rene barreto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
[Goanet]Re: goanet news bytes
I enjoy a thoroughly bigoted post like anyone else, but why oh why cannot prejudiced Goans sound a little more literate ? or is that par for the course? --- Mario Vicente Santos Pereira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > only thing i remember is 'Goa Gone to Ganties'. > Every place we see > outsiders coming and saying I am Goan. Recently we > heards of Elephansts are > also tryings to invade Goa. Now animals also making > way to Goa.
RE: [Goanet]RE: DIFFERENT STROKES
Why not organise a protest on that beach?. Either the Navy will still straff it or they will stop. No prizes for guessing which they will choose, but guaranteed one of us will be happy. --- Bernado Colaco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mr. Caldeira, > > This is bharat rule for you. Given an inch they are > now taking miles. I thought the dummy straffing was > taking place on Carmona beach? > > B. Colaco > > > Contamination of the soil where they have been > > straffing using dummy shells, > > is high; no amount of complaints can move or hurt > > the mighty Navy. Is this > > military rule or is the state govt. so lame and > > without any teeth? Or is it > > that the Govt. being based in Panjim (and or now > on > > Porvorim Plateau) is > > least bothered about what happens to their > citizens > > in South Goa. Is this > > right and tolerable? No. > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC > calling worldwide with voicemail > http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet]Non economic Goan Migrants!
There are the non-economic RC Brahmin migrantns. Then there are the rest :) --- Gabe Menezes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It has been pointed out to me, that the overwhelming > majority of > ex-Uganda Goans, were political/asylum migrants, > having been deported > by Idi Amin.That almost all ex-Malawi Goans were > also deported, by > Hastings Banda, again political migrants. > > Many ex-Kenya Goans jumped, before the gates were > closed, for entry > into Britain. These migrants, one might class as > Political migrants. > > This post is not to take a holier than thou stance, > just to enlighten, > on some misconceptions. > > > -- > Cheers, > > Gabe Menezes. > London, England > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Re: Hinduism and caste
My main difficulty in arguing with you was , when push comes to shove, we would be on the same side,I think (or hope). The dichotomy you point to is actually moot. Hinduism, actually India (if it was Hinduism why in God's name would we have RC Brahmins ?) cannot be understood without reference to caste. But the fact that governments of independent india have tried to transform the lot of 'lower' castes thru affirmative action, vote bank politics (distasteful as it may be , given our divisions we cannot entirely blame politicians for this). I think our founding fathers understood that something had to be done about caste divisions if the country was to remain independent. Every foreign conqueror from the Arabs, Moghuls, Portuguese, French, Dutch and the British exploited these divisions in our society. The transformation would have to be slow (we are Indians after all), but it had to be done. In itself this was nothing new. Reformers like Vidyasagar has started this process a long time ago. Hinduism (for want of a better name) had to be reformed. But the transformation had to be politcial and social, rather than religious, for it to be long lasting. So there is no contradiction. As the indian social fabric changes, Hinduism is changing. --- George Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > All, > > I plead guilty as charged by 'Halur' to being > ignorant and uneducated about these matters - and > many others. I did not fully understand 'Halur' > response on race and, in my possible confusion, > 'Halur' seems to be making the same point that I > originally made: race is a biological construct > but when used to discriminate it has a social > construct. I would further add, it has a political, > economic constuct too. However, I might have > completely misunderstood 'Halur's' response.
Re: [Goanet]Re: cybermatrimonials
Hindusim is to be defined by 'white' hindus? caste is institutionalised in Hinduism. If you do not know this , you know very little about India. Catholicism is rooted in european history and european social practices, just as hinduism is rooted in indian history and social practices. This is just the way it is. Trying to understand Hinduism by soliciting the opinions of 'white' Hindus is trying to understand Catholicism by solicting the opinions of Goan catholics. This may be harsh, but they do not matter... The great themes of Catholicsm can be understood by studing the context of the great uphheavels of european history, the decline of the roman empire, the dark ages, the crusades, the reformation, the renesaiance and enligtenment and the industrial reveloutions. Religion may be a matter of personal belief, but its instutiional and social practices are rooted in regional histories... --- George Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- halur rasho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > First, caste is, like it or not, a part of > Hinduism. If it has no legitimate basis in religion, > > as you say, you would have to convert every indian > hindu to islam or catholiscism. Ready to take > > on the task, King George? > > > I have heard a number of educated Hindus state that > caste is a social construct which finds a home > in Hinduism but caste is not part of its religion. > i.e. there are many Hindus (some white Hindus > here in the USA who have no caste). That is, one > can be Hindu today and not have a caste unlike a > core belief in Catholicism that Jesus Christ is the > Son of God. Please correct me if I am wrong, > perhaps these white Hindus are not true Hindus after > all? > > P.S. What's with the ad hominem 'King George'? That > too from someone behind a pseudonym! > > > > We can find a million faults with the india > political leadership, but its handling of the > > caste issue at independence does it proud. > > At the very least the jury is out. It is difficult > for me to conclude that the every day lives of > Dalits are better today than say 55 years ago. I am > specifically thinking of Bihar and similar > places. > > > > For the first time in recorded indian history > (unlike your enlightened and > > beloved european masters, George) the > establishment took steps to erode caste. > > I will ignore your humor above. Me, pro-European! > Have you read some of my posts over the years? > > > Regards, > George > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet]New rules for GoaNet poster identification - Unofficial
I thank GOD everyday that I am an atheist. --- Cecil Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In addition to the announcement by George Pinto, > about GoaNet being hived > off into seprate segments depending one's caste > related views, the Admin > Team has decided on a new rule for posters to > identify themselves. > > Everyone will now sign off in the format below: > > Name Surname, Current Permanent Residence - Family > Goa origins > Gender/ Age/ Religion/ Sexual Preference > > Gender: > M=Male > F=Female > > Age: > In years > > Religion: > C = Catholic > H = Hindu > M = Muslim > Hm = Humanist > At = Atheist > Ag = Agnostic > O = Other > CC = Cafeteria Catholic > CH = Canteen Hindu > The prefix NP- can be used to signify > "Non-practicing" > > > Sexual preference: > H=Heterosexual > G=Gay/ Lesbian > B=Bisexual > The prefix NP- can be used to signify > "Non-practicing" > > Please note that this is an unofficial announcement. > The Admin Team is > still deciding whether caste should be mentioned or > not. According to Fred > it is not required as from your surname and village > he can calculate one's > caste. Viviana's comment was "Huh? Really?". > > Cheers! > > Cecil Pinto, Panjim - Aldona > M/ 38/ NP-CC/ NP-H > > = > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet]Re: cybermatrimonials
Before making sweeping statements , which can betray your ignorance of the topic, perhaps studying the caste system might be helpful? Its origins are very much racial. Today with all the inter-mixing , one cannot tell, but its origins are indeed racial. It is like the blond haired german or russian jew and the daker middle eastern jew. They have the same origins, but on the surface do not seem from the same race or sub-race. --- George Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- halur rasho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In the US most personals have a race preference, > for example a woman may describe herself > > as SWF (single white female) seeking a SWM (single > white male). Are such people racists? > > > No. Race is a biological construct and if it is not > used to discriminate, merely as an > identification marker as in the example above, it is > fine. > > Caste is a social construct built on a pack of lies, > it is fraud that has no legitimate basis in > anthropology, no legitimate basis in sociology, no > legitimate basis in humanity and religion. It > is used specifically to discriminate and is to be > rejected. > > Regards, > George > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: [Goanet]Single?
Cecil, Ask any women (and it is the same in Bombay or New York), if every man who hits on her is single? --- Cip Fernandes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It appears that Halur Rasho is wearing glasses (in > his subtle mind), hence > he sees people's skin colour as white, black, brown, > etc > > Cip > UK > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf > Of Cecil Pinto > Sent: 09 July 2005 10:08 > To: goanet@goanet.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [Goanet]Single? > > > Halur Rasho wrote: > In the US most personals have a race preference, for > example a woman may describe herself as SWF (single > white female) seeking a SWM(single white male). Are > such people racists? > > -- > > Dear Halur, > > These people are not racist. Just plain stupid. > > Unless one is advertising for a swingers' session I > don't see why the word > 'single' has to be used at all. Obviously someone > seeking a partner is > 'single'. > > It's like 'relatives and friends accept this as the > only intimation'. We > use some phrases by rote without questioning their > meaning. > > Cheers! > > Cecil > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet]Re: cybermatrimonials
Your knowledge of the indian scene is rather poor! Read a good work on caste . First, caste is, like it or not, a part of Hinduism. If it has no legitimate basis in religion, as you say,you would have to convert every indian hindu to islam or catholiscism. Ready to take on the task, King George? But then, as we see in this forum, that does not seem to help does it? It is the original indian sin. It is a part and parcel of the indian experience, wether hindu or not. Almost every non-hindu indian I have met, in private, will either tell you he/she is 'Brahmin' (if christian) or are desceneded from Arabs/Persians (if muslim). We can find a million faults with the india political leadership, but its handling of the caste issue at independence does it proud. For the first time in recorded indian history (unlike your enlightened and beloved european masters, George) the establishment took steps to erode caste. One man one vote, affirmative action etc. Like anything indian, it is slow, often seems to do more harm than good, and did I mention slow? But we must remeber what was being attempted. To change the very fabric of indian scoiety, our very definition. Without bloodshed, without concentration camps, without killing millions in civil war. The magnitude is mind boggling. It will take hundreds of years, but economic development and affirmative action are the only way forward. Self rightous , pompoous statements are easy, understanding and appreciating the magnitude of the task is a little harder. --- George Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- halur rasho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In the US most personals have a race preference, > for example a woman may describe herself > > as SWF (single white female) seeking a SWM (single > white male). Are such people racists? > > > No. Race is a biological construct and if it is not > used to discriminate, merely as an > identification marker as in the example above, it is > fine. > > Caste is a social construct built on a pack of lies, > it is fraud that has no legitimate basis in > anthropology, no legitimate basis in sociology, no > legitimate basis in humanity and religion. It > is used specifically to discriminate and is to be > rejected. > > Regards, > George > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet]Goddess SARASWATI
Mr. Noronha, While I am no expert on Hindu mythology , I will make the following points.. 1) You ask how will the Hindu community react to your depiction ...etc? Answer) To describe people, who by accident of birth, are born of Hindu parents as somehow belonging to one entity with a common world view is mistaken. We are all individuals, and unlke semetic religions , do not have a doctrine or a well articulated worl view. Secondly it is NONE of the so called "Hindu communitie's) business to criticize your artistic work on religious grounds. That would be a gross violation of your freedomof expression. Ofcours they are free to tear your work to pieces on artistic grounds :) 2) As a child I remeber Saraswati puja as being dedicated to learning and lakshmi puja as being dedicated to Wealth. One remebers being harrassed to study harder by one's elders on Saraswati puja, with pointed references to one's cousins excellent acadameic performances as opposed to own's on. :akshmi puja on the other hand was free of such admonitions and I remeber mainly as an occassion of good food and new clothes.. 3)But, the River Saraswati is significant in indian mythology so Saraswati as a Goddess of water seems appropriate... --- Jorge/Livia de Abreu Noronha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > According to Rui Gomes Pereira's "GOA - Hindu > Temples and Deities", > Saraswati or Sharada, the spouse of Brahma, is the > Goddess of Knowledge, > i.e. of Science and Arts. In the book "Indian > Mythology" by Veronica Ions we > can read: (1) that in the Vedas she was "a water > deity, goddess of a river > of the same name which flowed west from the > Himalayas, through the first > Aryan settlements"; (2) that "the next stage in > Saraswati's mythological > history was her identification with the holy rituals > performed on her banks, > this led to the belief that she influenced the > composition of the hymns and > thus to her identification with Vach, the goddess of > speech", it being > attributed to her the invention of Sanskrit, > language of the Brahmins, of > scriptures and of scholarship ..."; and (3) that as > Brahma's wife she > provides the power to execute what Brahma has > conceived with his creative > intelligence. She is goddess of all creative arts > and in particular of > poetry and music, learning and science". > > I am interested in knowing whether, based > especially in Veronica Ions's > description, it is legitimate to associate Saraswati > with the seas and > oceans and/or with rivers and invoke her as Goddess > of Oceans or of Rivers, > or one has > to stick to her appelation as Goddess of Science and > Arts. Would any one > well versed in the matter kindly elucidate? How > would the Hindu community > react to seeing Saraswati depicted, in a poem > or in a song and dance, as Goddess of All Oceans or > of All Rivers? - Many > thanks in advance. > > Jorge > > > > > > > > Sell on Yahoo! Auctions no fees. Bid on great items. http://auctions.yahoo.com/
Re: [Goanet]re: cybermatrimonials
In the US most personals have a race preference, for example a woman may describe herself as SWF (single white female) seeking a SWM(single white male). Are such people racists? --- Eugene Correia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Can't understand the hullabaloo over mention of > caste > in cybermatrimonials. > If one puts an ad asking for particular caste, the > person is within his/her rights. Maybe the person > wants to marrying within his/her caste. > Banning of adverts requesting that prospective > partners meet the requirements is not the answer. > The > adverts haven't hurt anyone. > Those who are looking at issues such as caste in > these > innocuous posts are people with a deep sense of > quilt. > The Times of India even had (or still has) a section > on NRI grooms. (Not sure of NRI brides). This is > just > another filter. There may be spinsters looking just > for NRIs as prospecive lifepartners. > Suppose a caste-conscious person puts an advert > without mentioning caste as a prerequisite, the > person > will be bombarded with more emails. So a filter such > as caste helps in narrowing the field.d > Why do people put "fair-skinned", > "convent-educated", > "homely", "outgoing"? These are obviously to convey > a > person's strong or plus points. > The issue of casteism needs to be tackled in a wider > scope and not just through the personal domain of > cybermatrimonials. > > Eugene > > > > > > > Sell on Yahoo! Auctions no fees. Bid on great > items. > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail
Re: [Goanet]Al Qaeda in Europe.
Mr. Menezes, if Indians had the courage, strength, unity, patriotism and resolve of the British, we would have been a very different nation. --- Gabe Menezes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 07/07/05, halur rasho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Mr. Menezes, > > Are you not blaming the victim? I hope this leads > to > > rooting out Osama from his lair in Pakistan and > > hanging him publicly. > > RESPONSE: > > Dear Halur Rasho, > > Honestly I don't know why I am wasting this > bandwidth on you since you > choose to be anonymous! > > Yes, I am blaming the victims, we here in the U.K. > are all victims of > this dastardly crime. We should have kicked out Mr. > Blair instead of > just reducing his majority. The Spaniards did the > correct thing, when > they kicked out their lot, after their bombings. > > Do not mistake my resolve in this matter. The bottom > line is what are > my sentiments are the sentiments of the majority of > the British > Public. > > We are stuck in this quagmire and we now have to see > it through. How > come India does not support this ideal? Even if it > is in a token > manner! > > Cheers. > > Gabe Menezes. > London England. > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet]Al Qaeda in Europe.
Mr. Menezes, Are you not blaming the victim? I hope this leads to rooting out Osama from his lair in Pakistan and hanging him publicly. --- Gabe Menezes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dow Jones Newswires reports, that an Arabic Website > states, that this > was in retaliation for British involvement in Iraq. > > Thank you, Tony Blair for this. > > Gabe Menezes. > -- > Cheers, > > Gabe Menezes. > London, England > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet]Re: CYBERMATRIMONIALS
Are you serious? Reservation for scheduled caste/tribes is to undo (in a small way) for discrimination they suffered for centuries. A Brahmin who proclaims his caste as a sign of superiority is indulging in discrimination, albeit with much less effect today. As for the strange hybrid known as RC Brahmin, the less said of such ridiculous creatures the better... --- luis rodrigues <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hues and cries over a poor dame's request for a 'RC > Brahmin", now what would you say for the > advertisements that appears in local newspapers for > recruitment's in Government Services. > > Why do the Govt. publicly advertise that certain > quota > is reserved for schedule caste and schedule tribes. > Is > Govt. not openly favouring and following casteism? > > Can anybody give me an explanation on this please!! > > Regards, > > Luis Rodrigues > Chumbel / Dubai > > > > ___ > Too much spam in your inbox? Yahoo! Mail gives you > the best spam protection for FREE! > http://in.mail.yahoo.com > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Re: El. Power. Goa --TT1 (Think Tank)
If you and Figuerado are claiming that circuit breakers are unknown in India, you guys are make laughing stocks of yourselves Somehow the two of you think you know more about science and engineering than the entire population of india. Perhaps, but your english language skills do not indicate the technical guru status (snicker!!) you claim.. --- Nasci Caldeira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all, > > Gabriel has pointed out the faulty system of replacing bown fuses, by using > any size fuse etc; There is actually much more mayhem in this regard > prevailing in Goa and also in the rest of India.
Re: [Goanet]New Indian Non judicial stamp paper
The indian government loves to tax people who produce wealth and this is just another way of doing it. Indian Babus would tax love if they could figure out how to do it! --- Gabriel de Figueiredo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What purpose does the Nin Judicial stamp paper > serve? > I have not seen such a device being used anywhere > else > but India. Is it a formality? Does it substitute > what > we know as stamp duty (which I think was abolished > in > the UK during Thatcher's time - don't know if its > been > reintroduced)? > > Cheers, > > Gabriel de Figueiredo. > Melbourne - Australia. > > --- godfrey gonsalves > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Last week the Central Government made available a > > new > > fascimile of the Indian Non Judicial stamp paper > of > > denomination Rs.20/- (Rupees twenty only) for the > > State of Goa. > > Send instant messages to your online friends > http://au.messenger.yahoo.com > > __ Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/online.html
Re: [Goanet]Migration: Opportunities for children or wanderlust
Poople like you will succeed anywhere in the world. --- Salus Correia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Among other things, Cecil wrote: > > I have heard stories of qualified professionals in > Australia (and elsewhere) doing menial jobs as there > are no job opportunities in their particular field. > Isn't that then a waste of an education? Not to say > the problem does not exist in India, but we do admit > to it... > ___ > > Well Cecil,you too have written well, but then > that's what you always do, much to the delight of > Goans who read Goanet! > > What you said above is true. But you have to > remember that it applies to you and me who think of > migrating with their grey hairs on! It is difficult > as you rightly said, for qualified professionals who > migrate, to get job opportunities in their > particular field. But that is not the case with the > young ones who live and qualify here. Somehow there > is a problem with us getting jobs in our field, > however highly qualified we may be. But the kids > start right away, and that makes the difference. > The young ones have open doors in any careers of > their choice in this country. > > You also spoke about education and careers in > detail. Well, I do believe that one needs a good > educational background for any career of choice. > While there are lots of career opportunities in > India, we still hear of many companies showing > preference to overseas qualified candidates as > compared to the local ones. This is not something > new anyway. Even in our time, we used to envy the > foreign returned blokes to took over [talk of > Harvard etc!!] > > And we cannot deny the fact that this area is still > lacking in many respects in amchem Goem. Maybe with > time, things will change and our grandchildren or > great grandchildren will be the beneficiaries. But > for now, the overseas options seems to be better for > the children. > > For your information, when i first landed here in > melbourne 5 years ago, it was very difficult for me > to start in my field of expertise. I just could not > get anywhere and drew a blank wall wherever I tried. > It was very frustrating. Here employers seek local > expererience, and without that it is difficult. I > do know of guys making it in their lines of > expertise, but many including me did not. Out of > desperation I took on a job in a factory in order to > survive with my family. There were lots of fears, > and fear can drive one to the wall. But guess what? > I enjoyed coming home after the first day at work. > I could just put my feet up, and relax without any > work stress whatsoever!!! That was a great feeling, > so much so, that I decided that I would do just that > for some time! After a year, I decided that I > wanted to continue in this new line, but realized > that I would not have the energy to continue at the > pace I was on. So the next step I took was to > qualify myself locally, after which I got a > promotion and I am very happy now in the Automobile > manufacturing industry. I am relaxed at work, and > there is no stress as compared to the time when I > spent about 17 years dedicated to Purchasing > followed by the manufacture of Linda's Bebinca in > Goa! And the cycle continues. Right now I have a > qualified dentist on my assembly line. Two months > ago I had a young guy from Tamil Nadu who had a > masters in Engineering, but like me could not get an > entry. He worked with me for about eight months, > but now managed to get a very good job in his line > with a Telephone provider here, and is very happy > with his success. > > So you see, it is a matter of choices, and not a > matter of running down Goa or wanderlust as some may > think. The benefits are there too. We do afford > more, live better than we ever did, but then that > comes with the package I suppose! And at the core > of that big package lies a lot of hard work! > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet]PM CALLS OFF VISIT ON GOA REVOLUTION DAY
Perhaps Goa will be lucky nd gori amma. After all she is far more important and perhaps her heritage more in tune with Goa? Portugal - Italy Bhai - Bhai --- jerry fernandes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello all, > > When BJP ruled, they had their leaders visit Goa > number of times, but > surprising that our present PM declined the offer of > visiting Goa. I wonder > what brought the BJP to Goa on so many times, was it > Goa?s famous pork and > fenny? And why Dr. Manmohan Singh cancelled his > plans especially when this was > Goa?s important day? > > Cheers > Jerry Fernandes > > PM CALLS OFF VISIT ON GOA REVOLUTION DAY > PANAJI: The three-day visit of Prime Minister Dr > Manmohan Singh starting from > Friday has been cancelled, as per the information > received by the Goa police. > > Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Re: Was Jinnah Secular?
If Jinnah was secular, Pakisan would not exist. Or else the two-nation theory is highest form of secularism? And why two-nation theory? Was Jinnah prejudiced against Christians? If he was secular, he would have demanded a seperate country for Indian christians too > On 09/06/05, sandeep heble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > ., Mr. Advani reportedly described Jinnah as > ``a great man'' who had espoused the cause of "secular > Pakistan".
Re: [Goanet]Want your daughter to be Miss Universe?
If you can set me up for a date with Ms. Glebova, I will pack my bags :) --- Mervyn Lobo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Then come over to Canada ;-) > The following is from The Globe and Mail. > > Mervyn3.0 > -- > > Toronto model wins Miss Universe contest > Tuesday, May 31, 2005 Page A10 > > Bangkok -- Blue-eyed Canadian brunette Natalie > Glebova was crowned Miss Universe 2005 in the Thai > capital today in the 54th annual pageant. > > The 23-year-old model from Toronto was picked over > runner-up Cynthia Olavarria of Puerto Rico after > answering a final question about what she considered > the biggest challenge of her life. > > "I always try to maintain a positive outlook on > life," > she said, adding that remaining optimistic was most > challenging. > > Ms. Glebova, who studies information technology > management at Toronto's Ryerson University, was born > in Russia. She moved to Canada with her parents at > age > 12. > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > __ Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html
Re: [Goanet] Emails from Mario Goveia's address
No idea what the quarrel is about, but as a THIRD CLASS AMERICAN (indian citizen) I have nothing against canadians first class or otherwise. Recently visited Canada and found the natives reasonably friendly and the women pretty.. --- Mervyn Lobo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > dudes from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If you think US immigrants are second class > citizens > > because we cannot run for US President, while > > Canadian immigrants are first class citizens > > while being called Pakis by their own in-laws, > > then so be it. > > > dudes, > The fact remains that you, because of your parents > and > place of birth, do not have the rights that other > Americans have. That means you are a SECOND CLASS > citizen. > > Secondly, you really must be having vile in-laws to > reach the bitter and DISGUSTING contention you wrote > above. > > Thirdly, you are extrapolating the experiences you > are > going thru and trying to project/assume that the > rest > of us are experiencing the same. I can assure you > that > some on us are really, really enjoying life. > > In all my years studying/teaching in US, not once > did > I come across anyone who was called Paki. Most first > class Americans don't even know what the term is. I > feel pity on you as it really must be frightful to > experience what you must be receiving from YOUR > in-laws (at this late stage in your life.) > > > > This reminds me of my psychiatrist friend who > > warns me that it is futile to feel sorry for > > his patients, most of whom feel sorry for the > > rest of us. > > > I am glad you a taking treatment for your problems. > The bad news is that your psychiatrist is NOT your > friend. You have been giving him your money for the > past thirty three years and he has not been able to > help you. Look at the state you are in! The people > you > claim are your "friends" are those that you give > money > to i.e. your psychiatrist and Canadians. The rest of > the people you know, including your in-laws, hurl > insults at you. > > > Since only YOU seem to have a problem figuring out > > who is sending emails from my address, you will > > have to either figure out your dilemma on your > > own, or be kept in a state of suspense of your > > own making. > > > dudet, > Reading what comes from your address is like reading > several authors. You contradict yourself on every > second email. Either the output from your address is > from several authors or it the output of a person > sinking into a multi-personality disorder. > > > Mervyn3.0 > BTW, my wife is Texan. My in-laws, like all other > first class Americans, have absolutely no idea what > a > Paki means. > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet]Ganesha label on beer bottle
My dear fellow, Are you an Indian? Your question betrays a kind of smugness. There is no Hindu religion as Christians and Muslims understand it. There is no prophet, no revelation, no real divine book, no organised body, not even actually a priesthood to which entry is regulated. You, if you are brown skinned, could drape youself in a dhoti, smear some ash on your forehead, mumble something which sounded lik Sanskrit and be in business. It is amorphous, which is both its weakness and strength. It is remarkably accepting which is also both a weakness and strength. Perhaps this from te last thousand years of history, when must Hindus were ruled by Muslim and Christian rulers, perhaps it was always like that.. Essentially Hinduism, whatever it means , was no position to compete in military terms wi either Christianity or Islam and Islamic and Christian armies always won overwhelming victories against Hindu kings and armies. This history perhaps is the cause of your smug superiority, but I acknowledge it is also true... As for Mnohar Parrikar, do what the guy did, sue him in Indian courts or English courts. Being a cry baby does not help... --- Gabe Menezes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 20/05/05, halur rasho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Ganesha is a fun loving God, and I am sure he > would > > enjoy a cold beer after a hard day. This Guy > should > > lighten up, but perhaps it is the good old > american > > way, you know the beer company will try to settle > for > > few hundred thousand > > RESPONSE: Thanks for the enlightenment; please > inform me, in the Hindu > Religion do you have many Gods? Is there one Chief > God and lesser > Gods? I attended a wedding in Toronto and the Priest > was supposed to > be from the Kali temple. Is Kali a fierce Goddess, > she was depicted as > such. > > That aside it is to the credit of the Beer company, > they immediately > withdrew the commercial, as it offended the > religious sentiments of > the Hindus. They sought no justification, just > withdrew > unquestionably. Compare this with Shri Manohar > Parrikar, who wanted to > know what aspects of his, not too old, DVD did the > Catholics feel > offended about! > > > > cheers. > Gabe Menezes. > London England. > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet]Ganesha label on beer bottle
Ganesha is a fun loving God, and I am sure he would enjoy a cold beer after a hard day. This Guy should lighten up, but perhaps it is the good old american way, you know the beer company will try to settle for few hundred thousand --- Gabe Menezes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://in.rediff.com/news/2005/may/19ganesha.htm > Ganesha label on beer bottle > > May 19, 2005 18:06 IST > > Offended by the depiction of Hindu god Ganesha on a > bottle of beer in the US, > an Indian-American law student is suing the beer > company for 'hurting the > sentiments of Hindus worldwide'. > > Though Lost Coast Brewery has said it will withdraw > the label, Brij Dhir, a > Golden Gate University law student and a licensed > attorney in Mumbai, said he > is seeking damages worth $ 1 billion from the > company. > > Dhir, who hails from Brentwood, said the company's > Indica India Pale Ale label > showed Ganesh holding a beer in one of his arms and > another in his trunk. > > "How can you show a god in such a way?" Dhir asked. > > * NRIs up in arms against derogatory caricature > of Lord Ganesha > > "There are lots of ways of having fun. This is not > fun," he was quoted as > saying in the Contra Costa Times. > > The brewery had sent an e-mail to Dhir saying it > will withdraw the product. "I > don't want to offend any Hindu people," co-owner > Barbara Groom said. > > Also named as defendants in the law suit is the > Safeway supermarket chain, > which carried the product, and the state attorney > general's office. > > Comment: Manohar Parrikar, should comment and give > opinion on what he would > like changed! > > -- > Cheers, > > Gabe Menezes. > London, England > > __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250
[Goanet]Re: INDIA : CASTE AND THE FUTURE
<> Ah the good old sublimal sub - text which has been used for a 1000 years. Indians are not fit to rule, the elites (whatever that means in a one man one vote democracy) do not have leadership quality. So India is best ruled by foreigners who are more capable and just. The only problem is that Indians are smarter today and will teach people who advocate such nonesense a lesson they will not forget should they attempt to bring foreign rule to India. --- Antonio Menezes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Can our so called 'elites' provide leadership for the task of psychic > regeneration of our masses? I doubt very much, since I am of the > opinion that our 'elites' whether they are RSS wallahs, Congressmen, > Communists ( i.e. the top echelon) are in a way self afflicted > victims of the HOG syndrome. HOG stands for hallucination of > grandeur andhallucination means perception of 'superiority' > that has no reality whatsoever outside one's mind. > > The difficult task of restoring the psyche of our masses to a healthy > level thus improving the quality of our people has to be undertaken > of war footing, otherwise we shall have to look with apprehension, > this time, towards the north east and the south east. > > antonio
Re: [Goanet]Abuse by priests is excusable
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Re: [Goanet]Re: CATHOLIC
Really? All those biology teachers explaining reproduction , while we boys looked slyly at the girls, were wrong ? And good old Darwin, what was he about? Well one lives and learns... Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html
Re: [Goanet]RE : India's Right Wing: Hindu Nationalism, or Plain
Yes Yes, but how does one identify them? How do I know you are not one? > > > > > > 3i. Is it true that most of these FAKE Catholic > > > Goans are now illegally > > > settled in the UK and France? > > RESPONSE: This would apply to those who assume > Catholic identity - as > opposed to 'Cafeteria Catholics' who pick and choose > which tenets of > the faith they like. The fake ones are those that > commit identity > theft! Elementary my dear fellow. > > cheers. > Gabe Menezes. > London England. > > Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html
Re: [Goanet]Brits blamed for farmers' suicides in India
If Dalip Mukarji is so against trade , why does he live in the one country whose properity is linked to trade? Mr. Mukarji would be well advised to study econ 101, trade benefits everybody!! Western charities primarily act to perpetuate poverty in India!!1 --- Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Britain blamed for farmers suicides in India > Sify News, Monday, 16 May , 2005, 16:18 > > London: Trade reforms backed and funded by the > British > government caused an agricultural crisis in India, > leading to a large number of suicides among > impoverished farmers, particularly in Andhra > Pradesh, > a leading charity in London has said. > > More than 4,000 farmers had killed themselves in > Andhra Pradesh since a programme of free-market > measures was implemented by a "hardline liberalising > regime" (Chandrababu Naidu regime) with the help of > 1.65 million pounds (approx Rs 84 crore) grant from > Britains Department for International Development > (DfiD), a study for the Christian Aid claimed. > > According to the report, the dramatic increase in > the > suicide rate, which saw 2,115 farmers take their > lives > last year compared with 588 in 2003, is directly > linked to British support for policies joining aid > to > economic liberalisation in developing economies. > > "It is a scandal that the British government has > backed policies and pumped British taxpayers money > into schemes which have contributed to poor Indian > farmers killing themselves," director of the > Christian > Aid Daleep Mukarji said. > > "The report shows in stark detail the damage that is > done to poor people when the dogma of so-called free > trade is pursued in the name of poverty relief," he > added. > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet]RE : India's Right Wing: Hindu Nationalism, or Plain
How does one identify FAKE Catholic Goans? I have a number of friends who are goan catholics(or claim to be!), but until now I had no idea they could be fake Anxiously Halur > > 3i. Is it true that most of these FAKE Catholic > Goans are now illegally > settled in the UK and France? > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet]Re: Bride and Prejudice
Quite a few Indian women, atleast in the west prefer a relationship/marriage with a westerner after terrible experiences with an Indian man. More power to these women. Personal choice is empowering --- Viviana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My God, George, there have been THOUSANDS, if not > hundreds of thousands, > of Indian movies where the Indian guy gets the > Indian girl, why go round > the bend on the two Indian movies where the white > guy gets the Indian > girl and read prejudice into it? Lighten up! > They're only movies! > > Viviana > > George Pinto wrote: > > >All, > > > >I did not see the movie "Bride and Prejudice" > ... > > > > > > > Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html
RE: [Goanet]Re: CATHOLIC ??? George!
The comment below is why I believe secularism is doomed in India and among Indians. When majoritarian elements indulge in religion based bigotry, it can perhaps be understood (but not excused) as a means to power. When minorities, whom secularism is designed to protect, indulge in blatant religious bigotry, whither secularism ? Why indeed do we need it? > In coments made about Hindus, and or Muslims and > Sikhs; it is their > religion, and shows in their religious practices; in > these cases it is not > their human failure; but a practice of their > religion; or so they say. These > controversial practices have not been denied by > them, as religious > practices, ever. That's the difference! > > Nasci Caldeira > Melbourne > > > > Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html
Re: [Goanet]Sci-tech and Society
Philip, This is (and I apologize for the strong language) sheer nonesense, but is also the rhetoric of socialists who want everybody to be poor, except themselves ofcourse. Since liberelization, national income in india has doubled and benefited everybody. Have the benefits been disproportionae? Yes? Are there still a lot of poor ? Yes. It will take half a century for india to be a decent country for most indians to live in. But only if we can prevent socialist rhetoric from turning us back from 7 to 8% growth back to the old "Hindu" growth rate of 3%. I know you guys , salivate at the thought of a stagnant indian economy, but I beleive the young generation in India is smart to see through your rhetoric and know that economic growth and jobs brings prosperity to all. --- Philip Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > < Give us a couple of decades, and our erstwhile > colonial masters will be > third-rate economies when compared to India. India > is on the go ! [Vivian > D'Souza, May 10] > > Old style colonialism may well be a thing of the > past. The next big thing > could be corporate colonialism -- by multinationals! > They are already hard > at work figuring out how to make and sell stuff to > the bottom of the pyramid > (the poorest of the poor) at a profit. When they do > that you will find that > our markets are ruled by the Nokias, the Nikes, the > Toyotas, the Samsungs > and their Chinese clones. > > Is the Indian government awake on this issue? > > > Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html
Re: [Goanet]Maybe off-topic but interesting...
Dave, It is funny the British are teaching us indians egalitarianism . Somehow, this escaped you when you ruled india in the name of the white man's burden? Very forgetful is it not? But let us assume that it was the white man's duty to rule. But every fissure in indian society was encouraged by our oh so egalatarian British. Caste discrimination (in temples for example) was legal and encouraged. Only independent india has tried to do something about. And in British and Portuguese India religious seperatism of the worst kind was encouraged. And everyone here knows about seperate pews for seperate castes in the catholic chuch in the poruguese goa. The church would not dare try something like that in india today. Those whose counrymen ruled us in the name of being superior should have the decency not to preach to us about egalitarianism. And the silly little sermon here is so naive. Every poor country needs to encourage technology, but that has to be balanced against massive disruption that such changes cause. And beleive me there are tens of thousands of 20 something year olds in Bangalore who know more about computers and technology than you. The days when when one could pretend to knowledge because of one's heritage are long gone --- David Futers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Gabriel de Figueiredo. > Melbourne - Australia. > > Wrote > > Maybe off-topic but interesting... > > Snip > As to the rest of his stay, "India is overwhelming - > wow!". But he was disappointed in the > under-utilisation of computers - explained to him > that > human-power is more valued in India than > computer-power, hence five people doing the work > that > one person would do over here. > > Hierarchy is very much in vogue in Indian > work-practices (whoever heard of a manager washing > the dishes in the kitchen in India? Yet my manager > does this whenever he sees dirty cups left by > visitors > overflowing the office sink). > > end snip > > Not really of topic Gabriel > > When I did the first GONAS Teacher Exchange we > departed Manchester > Airport by car soon after their arrival from India. > With myself and the > three teachers in the car they were at once given a > lesson on how > technology assists people with learning skills and > raises the > aspirations of people undertaking menial jobs. > > We approached a barrier after the car park and the > barrier was down. I > had a card for the barrier but had placed it in a > pocket in my trousers > and needed to undo my seat belt to retrieve the > card. The teachers > asked where the "man" was. Do men always operate > barriers in India? and > I told them that we did not have men at barriers now > we used the > technology to open the barrier. I then put in the > card and the barrier > raised itself. > > Of course this raised questions, and after all this > exchange visit was > for them to raise questions, about putting the man > out of work. > > I explained it like this. The man who used to raise > the barrier is now > retrained and he now builds barriers, The man who > use to build barriers > now travels the world and fits the barriers and the > man who used to fit > barriers is now a senior manager designing the next > generation of > barriers. > > Not an ideal explanation I know but good enough to > show that people can > benefit from technological advances. ( I guess I > will get hit hard on > this but I have broad shoulders) > > India needs to use the technology to free many of > its citizens from the > some of the menial tasks it still does by hand and > examine how > technology would assist these members of the > community to raise their > aspirations on a day to day basis. Perhaps opening > up the school > computer labs n and evening would be a good start > > > Dave > > -- > David Futers [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Newbiggin by the Sea http://www.futers.org > Northumberland > NE64 6NL UNITED KINGDOM > > > Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html
RE: [Goanet]GOA- Av. 4 reported deaths every day (in Road Accide nts etc)
It would only take a few > tourist deaths to seriously > affect the positive effect of tourism on Goa. So far buses have killed only locals, which should not seriously affect tourism Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html
Re: [Goanet]Re: Sikkim as a state of India.
True, But Goans not being brave and resourceful as the portguese, a few hundred of whom could rule millions of Indians, will always be ruled by Indians (a lot more than 451 years) --- Gabriel de Figueiredo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- Joe Lobo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I wonder if the fate of being occupied and > > > absorbed by your > > protector has befallen them. If so , has India > > turned to be an > > imperialist power ? > > You can say the same about Goa and the Andamans ... > > Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! > Movies. > http://au.movies.yahoo.com > > __ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail
Re: [Goanet]Re: Re:Third-rate technologies dont constitute industrical progress --- steel
Which habbits? I am not interested in other people's toilet habbits, Goan, Portuguese or Norwegian. You otoh seem to have an unhealthy fascination with how indians evacuate their bowels. As for toilet paper, yes I have heard of it. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Thank you for your commendation.. Since you seem to > be oblivious of the > habits of Goans although you are a member of the > Goanet, it might be useful > for you to know and Indians to emulate that Goan > characteristic of > restricting our lotas to our toilets, and not > exhibiting them on the > highways and bye ways. Incidentally, have you heard > of a thing called toilet > paper? > Diana > > > > > > > This message was sent using NWebmail, BSNL's Webmail > Program > > > --- > * G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * > F * I * E * D * S * > --- > Make your mother in Goa happy on Mothers' Day. > http://www.goa-world.com/goa/expressions/mothersday/ > > Limited "Mother's Happiness" packages. First come, > first serve. > --- > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --- * G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * --- Make your mother in Goa happy on Mothers' Day. http://www.goa-world.com/goa/expressions/mothersday/ Limited "Mother's Happiness" packages. First come, first serve. ---
Re: Subject: Re: [Goanet]Re:Third-rate technologies dont constitute industrical progress --- steel
Diane, I must commend you on your expert observations about the abolutionary habbits of Indians. Years of scientific study, no doubt. Indians wander about with Lotas while Goans do not.. Assuming that both need to evacuate the results of the digestive process, (perhaps this is an erroneous assumption, but seems reasonable on the face of it), perhaps Goans can let Indians into the secret of how it is done without lotas, and we would all live happily ever after, no? --- flower <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sorry to disabuse you of your far fetched notion > that my ancestors were the > Portuguese pilgrim fathers from across the ocean. As > far as I can tell, I am > a legitimate daughter of pure blooded Goan gaunkari > (comunidade) Hindu > ancestry.Unfortunately, one of the compatriots of my > Hindu ancestors, > Malappa Dessai from Verna, brother in law of the > famous Timoja, was > responsible for handing over Goa on a silver platter > to the Portuguese and > Afonso de Albuquerque. But that is all water under > the bridge. > > Now as an Indian, what do you think of a country, > where states cannot give > their people a decent quality of life and sustenance > to the point that the > miserable condiditons they live in our state, is > still Paradise compared to > the misery they endure back home. And pray give me > one good reason why Goa > should bear the brunt of the inefficiency, > callousness and corruption of > other states of the Indian Union? Because, whenever > Goans have gone out of > their homeland, they do not wholesale change the > demographic profile of a > place. They do not wander about with "lotas" > searching for sheltered spots > to perforim their morning ablutions and do not wash > their clothes and bathe > at public water taps at the cost of the Goan tax > payer. Its not the poor > migrant who raises my hackles. Its the uncaring, > insensitve and corrupt > authorities that bring the ordinary people to such a > pass. > > Diana > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet]Re:Third-rate technologies dont constitute industrical progress --- steel
Indeed, Diana, indeed. Your ancesters crossed the oceans on ships and conquered india. And todays goans cannot deal with a poor migrants from india? A shame. The brave and glorious strain of the portuguese race has been all but eliminated, to be dominated by lowly indian blood in the goan people. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet]Re: Cafeteria Catholics
Homosexuality is certainly not abnormal to homosexuals? --- "Fr. Ivo Da C. Souza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Fr. Ivo Da C. Souza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> 3. Do you believe homosexuality is evil? > > Homosexuality is an aberration. It is abnormal. > > Father Ivo, > I have a quick question. > Should there be homosexual Catholic priests? > > Mervyn3.0 > > Dear Merwyn, > > I have a quick answer: there should not be > "homosexual Catholic priests", but > if there are, as the media are publicizing, then > homosexuality does not cease > to be "an aberration", "abnormal". > > Let the competent people investigate the causes and > help them, with love and > compassion. Let us also study why there is such a > wild propaganda, which will > not help the sick priests nor the Church of God. > What are the background > factors for such an aberration? Can we do something > for them? It is important > to save them...as much as poor human efforts are > concerned... > > It is our task, yours and mine! > > Ivo da C.Souza > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet]Steel plant to pollute the Western ghats - ecological disaster
A poor country with 200 million people below the poverty line, needs jobs. How does a country create jobs without building dams, power plants and factories ? It seems there are Indians (apologies to those Goans who feel insulted to be called Indians), who hate to see any kind of industrial progress in India. They would like to see her remain poor, so they can sneer at her poverty and feel superior. --- shrihari kugaji wrote: > ECOLOGICAL DISASTER IN FORM OF UP COMING SPONGE IRON > PLANT IN THE WESTERN > GHATS - LONDA FOREST,BELGAUM DISTRICT, KARNATAKA > > BELGAUM DISTRICT > > Well! the recent news is about new steel plant > coming up in the ecologically > sensitive and most fragile western ghats - just > close to Londa Railway > station , surrounded by the thick forest in the > Belgaum district - the group > is from goa > > Kundil Ispat Ltd - township of nearly 25000 > population is going to > established in the dense forests around here - > which is going to being > immensely damaging to the environment and forest > around. > > The area has been already under consideration for > BHIMGAD WILDLIFE SANCTUARY > and the Ministry of Enviornment and forest New Delhi > is already looking > towards declaring the same area as eclogically > sensitve area. > > There is already case going with the centrally > empowered commmittee of the > Hon'ble Supreme Court with regard to provide > protection to this area and to > looking into the declining forest cover in the > ghats. > > please send information about the Kundil Ispat ltd > of Goa and other d detail > we really want to know more. > > > On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 sebastian Rodrigues wrote : > > > > > >> Residents of Bicholim town in North Goa today > evening organised road > blokade at the Bicholim Bus stand. Some of them > belonged to a group called > MARG- Movement towards Amity to Roads in Goa. The > demand was to stop dust dust > pollution due to transportation of iron ore through > trucks inside the city. 50 > People from Bicholim grouped together at 4.pm at the > bus stand and then > started stopping the mining trucks that were not > covered properly by the > tarpoline. > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet]Opposition to Goa Govt's communal film is fully justified
This is not only disgusting, but strange. There are jews who survived the holocaust. Whether you consider their survival unfortunate or not (perhaps their europeaness makes them more palatable than the dark skinned pagans of the sub-continent, to you), the fact of their survival does not negate the reality of the holocaust. For shame! __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250
Re: [Goanet]Floriano dares the CM
to the whims and fancies of the actors and actresses of Bollywood who wear western dresses? What type of blood do these cheap uglies have? Are they better than the Portuguese ? --- Nizeen Cavelossim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The Portuguese, especially the women are beautiful, I am sure. But even they would concede the looks of Kajol, Aish et all. Come on man, you can make your point without calling our women ugly! And yes, Aish and Kajol are better than the Portuguese, or the swedes, or the japanese for that matter. Just ask your favourte indian, when he takes that pan out of his mouth -:) __ Do you Yahoo!? Send a seasonal email greeting and help others. Do good. http://celebrity.mail.yahoo.com
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The only reason tourists feel free in Goa is because the Goan mentality is free almost at par with theirs --- jerry fernandes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Almost on par,eh? Perhaps a little self-esteem vis-a-vis foreigners might help? __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250
RE: [Goanet]Indonesian Eartquake
--- Tim de Mello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >From: "cornel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >I wonder how fellow Goans might explain the > catastrophic Indonesian > >earthquake and its aftermath. Was it the act of a > very angry God? Cornel > > > > God seems to be a rather ungrateful creature, at least to me. Here we are, indians, some of the most credulously religious folk, and he visits this on us. And the ungodly europeans and americans get milk and honey. Thank you God, for nothing. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet]Benefits of screening THE CD for students.
This is spurious and dishonest logic. By this token, the atrocities committed by Hindus on Muslims in Gujrat should not be the subject of a film because tender muslim minds might begin to harbour a hatred of Hindus. Hindus are not total idiots, inspite of what you may think. They can distinguish between cruelty committed by Portuguese conquerors hundreds of years ago, with the bible in one hand and the sword in the other, and the present day catholic inhabitants. --- Anthony Barretto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear Mr Phadte > > The Dept of Education makes the screening of the CD > mandatory. All the students (tender and susceptible > minds) watch it. They see the inquisition > (christian)atrocities against the Goan Hindus. They > nurture a sense of distrust and even hatred towards > today's christians (read the Goan christians - the > portuguese are long gone). Is that the benefit you > are > talking about of reopening old wounds, Mr Phadte? > Otherwise please list out all the benefits of > screening the CD for the students. > Self-centred politicians have been doing everything > to > find echoes of Gujarat in other states for their > selfish ends. Not all the people are idiots not to > see > their twisted designs. > Regards > > Tony Martin > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet]Re: Seminar, Nov 2004 issue *Amchem Goem*
--- George Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Philip and all: > > The 9-11 commission report is best used as a > paper-weight. It is written by mostly white males in > the USA who understand little about the Middle East. > It could have been about the most The white male comment is gratious left wing racism , very annoying and as contemptible as the right wing variety. Would the 9-11 commission report be bettter if it had been written by dark skinned people ? Why in the world is the skin colour of the document's authors relevant while discussing it's contents? This is as knee jerk, as another poster's reaction to educated , informative posts because the author was from a certain indian state whose natives opinions on Goa were suspect , anyways. __ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo
Re: [Goanet]Cheapie Brits visiting Goa along their butlers, chefs and cooks
> > On the other hand, many middle class Indian tourists > visit Goa with their > cooks/maids/ayahs. > I do not know whether the British travel with a retinue to Goa , nor do I care. But you are utterly out of touch with middle class india, if you think they can travel with a retinue of help for holidays. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet]Re: Chickens coming home to roost!
## # Goanetters-2004 meet in Goa. Dec 21, Tuesday. 12 noon to 2 pm. # # Clube Vasco, Near Municipal Garden, Panjim. Pass the word around! # ## Has the chicken crossed the road? __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250
Re: [Goanet]goans are great
## # Goanetters-2004 meet in Goa. Dec 21, Tuesday. 12 noon to 2 pm. # # Clube Vasco, Near Municipal Garden, Panjim. Pass the word around! # ## > > Hi Mario, Do you know of any community who doesn't > believe that their own > food is the greatest in the world? > > The English? __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet]Iraq jobs
## # Goanetters-2004 meet in Goa. Dec 21, Tuesday. 12 noon to 2 pm. # # Clube Vasco, Near Municipal Garden, Panjim. Pass the word around! # ## For heaven's sake, don't you read the papers or watch TV? --- jude ferrao <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ## > # Goanetters-2004 meet in Goa. Dec 21, Tuesday. 12 > noon to 2 pm. # > # Clube Vasco, Near Municipal Garden, Panjim. Pass > the word around! # > ## > > Dear Goans, > > Could anybody enlighten me to how to get a > secretarial/ administrative job > in Iraq / or the contact details of agents who > recruit for Iraq in UAE/ > Kuwait. > > I am presently working in the UAE. > > Rgds > > Jude > > > __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet] Mahatma Gandhi's Pacifism
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## To be fair, Gandhi would have been the first to condemn the jehadists. And perhaps he would have agreed that non-violence would be ineffective in this case. Gandhi's method was effective against a democracy wedded to higher principles, however compromised those principles became under imperialistic hubris. But against those who believe that their highest moral duty is to kill infidels and establish God's will, it would surely be utterly inffective. This fight has to be fought with weapons. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail
Re: [Goanet]Visas to India
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## My Dear Former Pakistani, Perhaps it is because your ex-country wants a piece of ours and sends terrorists to kill indians ? > Can anyone explain why it is difficult now for US > citizens, who formerly > held Pakistani passports to obtain tourist visas to > India? There was no > problem last year or in the past. > TDS > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet]Rather quaint advice about Goa
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Re: [Goanet]Hindu takeover of Catholic Villages
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Your politics are different from mine. But your posts on this issue are exemplary. Thank you. --- Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ## > # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] # > # Want to check the archives? > http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# > # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to > reflect respect to others # > ## > > Tim, > > Unfortunately, we Goans have more than our fair > share > of bigots. Let me respectfully tell you how I deal > with them. > > I tell them that a) "bad" neighbors come in every > color, caste and creed, b) the last time I checked, > India was a functioning democracy where people of > any > color, caste or creed can live wherever they please > and can afford to. If people they cannot tolerate > "simply because of these factors" move into their > neighborhood, it is the original resident who should > move out, but they should first look into a mirror > and > realize that they are looking at a bigot, which they > are also allowed to be in a free society as long as > they do not harm anyone by acting on their ideas. > > When I was a kid, I would very nicely ask my > grandmother to go to confession any time I heard her > bad-mouth someone due to color, caste or creed. It > drove her nuts but she finally got the point. > > There are certain things where people of good will > need to stand up and be counted. Not enough of us > do > for fear of upsetting our "friends". But are these > the kinds of friends you want to have? I know my > stand on caste has upset some Goanetters, and maybe > my > comments on this issue will as well. I figure > that's > their problem, not mine. There are plenty of things > where there is no one correct answer, like politics, > that we can go on arguing about until the cows come > home, if that is what we want to do. Discriminating > or harming someone because of their color, caste or > creed is not among these things, in my opinion. > > > --- Tim de Mello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ## > > # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] # > > # Want to check the archives? > > http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# > > # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to > > reflect respect to others # > > > ## > > > > Mario said: > > > > "While you are probably being brutally honest in > > exposing these feelings . . > > ." > > > > Yes, I am and my aim was to make the feelings of > > these Goan families public > > so that we are ALL aware of them and can discuss > > them. Latent resentment > > only ends up with open conflict later on. The U.K. > > is a good example of > > this. I do not want to see this in Goa. > > > > > > Mario continues: > > "If the place is "filling up with Hindus", so > what? > > I have heard some Goans > > complain that Goa is filling up with non-Goans. > > Again, I say, so what? > > Isn't Goa a part of India, where everyone has a > > right to settle anywhere > > they choose to? Some of my best friends are > Hindus, > > and are far more > > respectable and careful with their property than > > many Catholics I know. . . > > ." > > > > I agree totally with you. I do not have a problem > > with this but I have heard > > many Goans who do and my purpose was to air this > > feeling. > > > > > > > > Tim de Mello > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > CANADA > > > > > > > > > > > __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet]Andaman & Nicobar / Goa: Similarities?
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## So why have a country? Do Punjabis or Gujratis migrating into Maharashtra dilute the 'unique' culture of Mahrashtra? Do Goans in Bombay take jobs away from the locals ? Where is this supposed to end? The Goans who are uncomfortable with this are not being 'politically correct' but forward looking. The constitution aloows indians to live and work anywhere. the people who raise these issues should look into the mirror first. As for language, give us a goddam break, please. Whatever poblems Konkani has is not due to migration, but the adopton of english by significant number of goans in the cathlic community as their mother tongue. > > COMMENTS: > > Any parallels with Goa? Aren't the interest of the > Goan "ecology and the > local community" the same, to a wide extent? Sooner > or later we will have to > face this question which is seen as "uncomfortable" > by many political > correct people in Goa. Yet, fortunately, some are > raising their voices. The > question is if it is too late. _ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! > Download today it's FREE! > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > > __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail
Re: [Goanet]RE: RE: Arafat, Palestine
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[Goanet]Re: Questions about Hindu caste?
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Caste is the original indian sin. Every indian religion, with the exception of Zorastrianism has it. More democracy and prosperity is the only real cure and it will take centuries. --- Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Gilbert asked about how liberal Hindus deal with caste system, and Sachin > responded very candidly.
Re: [Goanet]Re: Chris Vaz's comment
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## --- Vidyadhar Gadgil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: When you say something disparging about my race, culture or religion , you are a bigot. When I do the same about yours, I am just refusing to bow to the winds of political correctness. > While agreeing with the general sentiment expressed > by Helga do Rosario > Gomes criticising Chris Vaz's comments, I really > fail to understand why > Tariq's being "Goan" is offered in his favour. What > does this have to do > with the issue? What if he was Somalian, Afghan, > Sudanese, or American, > British or French, or whatever... For that matter, > what does the fact > that his father did so much for Goa and Goans have > to do with the issue? > > All too often such views seem to come across > subliminally on Goanet. > Don't insult others on Goanet, because they're > Goans? Be nice to ... > Goans? And to the rest of the world, it's all okay? > > > From: "Helga do Rosario Gomes" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > You may be unaware of this > but Tariq was raised in Goa. His father was > a very highly > respected > geologist who until his premature death was > the Director of the > National > Institute of Oceanography in Dona > PaulaGoans now come in a > variety of names like Siddique, Shastry and > Swami. Like > the spectrum of American names from Obama to > Oliveira. > > > > __ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet]Chris Vaz's comment
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## > If you do not apologize, then I will have to > conclude that you are no different than > Bill Clinton. > > -Tariq > > Touche! Subtle but deadly. You must have been a skilled debater at school, were you? __ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet]Chris Vaz's comment
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Don't get uppity, boy. --- Chris Vaz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ## > # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] # > # Want to check the archives? > http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# > # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to > reflect respect to others # > ## > > "Tariq" should go to Michigan to vote with others of > his ilk for Kerry > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Mervyn Lobo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 9:01 PM > Subject: [Goanet]Chris Vaz's comment > > > > > ## > > # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] # > > # Want to check the archives? > http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# > > # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to > reflect respect to others # > > > ## > > > > Chris Vaz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Why don't you crawl into the hole Saddam vacated? > > > > > > What happened, Chris? > > Lost your composure after reading a little logic? > > > > or is it > > > > You totally lost it because the logic came from > > someone with a name like "Tariq." > > > > There is an old saying, "If you can't take a > public > > correction, don't post on the net." :-) > > > > Mervyn2.0 > > > > > > > > > > > >> That sounds like a reason for Bush to be elected > >> as the President of Iraq and Afghanistan, not > >> the USA. > >> > >> Tariq > > > > > > > > > > > __ > > Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca > > > > > __ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet]Re: A Must Read before you vote
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## > Mario Goveia wrote... > > Finally, think of Teresa Heinz-Kerry as First > Lady. If this doesn't make your skin crawl... > Watch it, before you r accused of being anti-portugal. __ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet]Re: Vote Kerry, save the World- Bosco's comment
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## The iraqis seem a little peeved at being liberated! Like some goans are peeved at being liberated! __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet]Question of shifting the Naval Base from the Dabolim Airport
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## These kind of attacks on people's ethnicity are simply disgusting. > Dear Thomas Saar, please get yourself simpllly > acquainted with the South Goa's MP, Churchill Alemao > as well as the environs of Dabolim. > > Every child in Goa knows Churchill as 'Churchill > Alemao'. How come you simpllly comment that it is > Alemao and not Winston. Your presumption that AAI's > authority over the airport will not be respected > (objected as you put it) is thanks to you, > 'simpllly' > not a good way of humour! We are not amused. > > Let the issue of 'Dabolim' be on track in line with > the original posting. The Goans as pointed out by > Dr. > Jose Colaco, knows that Churchill Alemao has > prevailed > on getting the subject the attention it deserves. > > We applaud Churchill Alemao's actions wrt the issue > we > want yourself to be focused, if at all it is of > interest to you. > > > AlmeidaG(ji) > > c.c.: Shri Churchill Alemao, MP (Lok Sabha), New > Delhi. > > Philip Thomas Oct 13 06:33:07 2004 > > (2) acclaimed > efforts of Churchill (Alemao, that is, and not > Winston) to get the Navy to move out of Dabolim, > will > one then object to control by the Airport Authority > of > India, a central government undertaking, which runs > most airports in the country? > > > > Dear Mr. Phillip Thomas, > > wrt (1) once again, I believe that you might need to > acquaint yourself with Dabolim. The airport and its > environs have been taken over by the Indian Navy. > > They are NOT leaving FULL STOP... > > They will listen to pleadings as much as Squatters > who > come and squat in your property. > > FYI, I doubt any shouting is going on. There has > been > (until recently) NO avenue for anyone to make a case > or hold a discussion. > > This is why Mr. Alemao was prevailed upon - to make > the case to the Centre. > > wrt (2) please note the contents of the Alemao > letter. > I repeat my belief that your question (quoted above) > is prejudicial. Either that, or you are arguing from > a > position of being quite unaware. > > So that ALL of us are on the same page, I am > reproducing (with permission) the Churchill Alemao > letter of Sept 13, 2004 > > Please note that Mr. Alemao is NOT my idea of a good > statesman. However, in this case, I applaud his > actions wrt this matter. > > good wishes > jc > I have exhausted my information on this matter. > = > A letter from Mr. Churchill Alemao, MP to Mr. > Balasaheb Patil, MP and Chairman of the Defence > Standing Committee > > 13th September 2004 > Dear Chairman, > > There have been problems faced by the Airport > Authority of India in the civil operations of > aircrafts at Dabolim Airport. > > The main problem is that the Dabolim Civil Airport > has > been taken over by the Indian Naval Authority. Very > often restrictions are imposed by our Navy on the > landing slots of foreign chartered aircrafts > carrying > foreign tourists. > > I would like to emphasise the importance of Goa as > number one on the tourist map of India. There are > nearly 300 to 400 hotels and resorts from Deluxe, > 5-stars to 2-3 stars and almost 6-7 lakhs Goans > depend > on tourist trade for their livelihood. Revenues from > tourist trade benefit directly or indirectly both > the > Goa State and our country as a whole. > > The question of shifting the Naval Base from the > Dabolim Airport to Sea Bird Naval Base, Karwar, has > already been taken up separately with the Ministry > of > Defence, Government of India in the right earnest. > > I would request the Committee to deliberate on this > issue of national importance and lend their weight > to > the proposal of shifting the Naval Base from Dabolim > Airport so that it functions as a full fledged Civil > Airport without any hindrances. The example of Red > Fort in Delhi is there to follow in the interest of > Tourism. > > I am enclosing the following documentary evidence to > prove that the Dabolim > Airport is actually a Civil Airport: > > 1. In 1955 a decree was passed to build an airport > for > civil aviation. > (Portuguese Government). > > 2. Document showing that after 'Operation Vijay', > the > Civilian Airport was taken over by Defence forces > only > for its maintenance. > > 3. Documents enlists all airports in India and are > classified at Civil, Defence and Private. But Goa > (Dabolim Airport) does not figure at all because, > conveniently they hid its actual owner so that they > could manipulate the Goa Government. > > > 4. Official Gazette of former Colonial Government > proves that Dabolim was a > Civilian Airport. > > 5. For backg
Re: [Goanet]GHAG debate - Margaret Mascarenhas replies to Fred
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## >>But, if India joins the war on terror, I might consider applying for a Portuguese passport if only to dodge getting drafted and then shipped home in a Victim of Friendly Firecontainer. >> Spanish citizenship might be more appropriate. Portugal has troops in Irak and is a part of G. Bush's coalition of the willing. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail
Re: [Goanet]Re:AICU condemns Saudi Police Torture of Indian Catholic
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Who is being hypocritical here ? Indian society is assused of being fascist, communal etc at the drop of the hat. In a country where freedom religion prevails. But being critical of Saudi Arabia is a no no ? Selective secularism at it's worst. > > Folks, > Any non-Muslim who is looking for work in Saudi is > explictily told that there are no churches/temples > in > that country. > > In other words, if you choose to work there, you are > making a conscious decision to worship another God > (money) instead of your current one. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet]India's New Era
Dear Mr. Rushdie, Hope you and lakshmi had an enjoyable honeymoon and have settled down to the quiet domesticity. Do you recall, Salman [presumptious of me , but now that you live in New York, perhaps the stiff upper lip has given way to a more easy informality]. Do you recall the reaction of the late husband of our newly elected PM to the Satanic verses? He banned it, the first country in the world to do so, the largest democracy in the world no less, just because a fanatic persian said so. And our lunatic neigbors to the west [to which country, members of your family emigrated] outdid us, of course. True believers, they had to better than the kafirs next door! They sentenced you to death!! and made a movie in which this blood thirsty fanatsy was enacted. Democracy, Mr Rushdie is wonderful thing, but in hot, poor countries, a lttle forgetfulness goes a long way. --- Mervyn Lobo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > India's New Era > > By Salman Rushdie __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. http://promo.yahoo.com/sbc/ ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]The election of Sonia Gandhi.....
The indian experience with european society, culture and power has not been that of equals. European colonial rule in india was based on white supremacy. Clearly european civilization and society was superior in terms of technology, organization and military might and a handful of europeans conquered hundreds of million. Not to put too fine a point on it, indians have an inferiority complex. Perhaps, these feelings are confined to indians with a college degree. i.e. those fluent in english and some access to written history. Any indian who reads for example, Kipling cannot do so without a feeling of shame and anger. Maybe the poor rural indian does not care and makes no distinction. Afterall as far as skin colour goes, Indira and Sonia have almost the same tint, and look born to rule. So dismissing those who have strong feelings on this issue as racists is not quite right. It is way deeper and more complex. Most countries have a strong racial, cultural and linguistic identities. Indians do not, and thus Sonia is possible. Let us be honest, Colin Powell is much better presidential material than Bush, but we all know why he is not president. And he is a native of the country to boot. --- Vivian D'Souza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Looking at the Indian elections from the outside, as > a > non-Indian national, though of Indian origin, I > applaud the success of Sonia Gandhi. > > I too had reservations about her becoming the leader > of India,with the legacy of colonialism still very > fresh in my mind, and the thought of a white person > coming back to rule India. Yet, let us give this > lady > her dues. Leadership of the Congress party was > thrust > on her, but she did not wilt. She is made of > sterner > stuff. She almost singlehandedly gathered a > dispirited and disorganized Congress party, and > brought them back to power. > > The opposition could not find much to discredit her. > > It is ironic that a party dominated by casteist > brahmins who discriminate against the vast majority > of > Indians, chose to attack her race. Indians are no > fools and saw through this ruse. AFter initial > hesitation, and probably shell shock, she plunged > herself into politics wholeheartedly, speaking > directly to the rural people. They loved her as > much > as she loved them. No pretensions about her. They > looked beyond the colour of her skin and saw in her > a > fellow human being who they could relate to. > > Her style in running the Congress party reveals a > steely and decisive personality. One may not always > agree with her, but she considers the options and > makes decisions. Nothing wishy washy. The learned > retinue that surrounds her recognizes this and > respects her. It is now time for all Idians to give > the lady a chance. Characdterwise, she is above > reproach. > > She is not of Indian origin, but our contemporary > world has gone beyond race and national origin. > Recently in Goa we had a visit from the Vice > President > of the Portuguese Parlaiment who is of Goan origin, > born in Goa. The Portuguese have no problem with > it. > England has members of Parliament of Indian origin > as > well as several members of the hallowed House of > Lords. > The U.S.A. and Canada have had several legislators > of > Indian origin. > > Are Indians so racist as to deny the top post in the > country to a person of European origin ? The answer > lies in the polls. Need I say more ? > > ## > # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > # > # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), > and avoid top-posts # > # More details on Goanet at > http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # > # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to > reflect respect to others # > ## __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. http://promo.yahoo.com/sbc/ ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]What's In A Name !!
Eric, As far as names go Sonia was chistened as Antonia Maino. She assumed the name Sonia after tieing the knot (or was it seven times around the fire?) with Rajeev. Apparantly her name was not good enough for the Gandhi family. --- eric pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sonya Maino, from Torino( Turin !!), heart of > Atrusi(Etruscan!!) country that stretches west to > Italia from Turkey, language whiz at Cambridge, > meets > Rajiv Feroze Gandhi, and history gets its > postscript. > Nehru found the son he never had when Feroze > comforted > him in prison, and when they were free, Feroze was a > trusted curfew runner to him. 'Daruvalla', old Jan > Sangh slander, he was not, his father was a merchant > marine captain from catholic Khotachi Wadi in Bombay > who sent the lonesome family to live with his sister > in Allahabad: that family owned the town's only > liquor store. Now what if Feroze Gandhi was Jamshed > Daruvalla, and Sonya was another Maria Goretti, > just > how many of our people people would care to picture > a > Prime Minister Maria Daruvalla !! We are a Karma > folk, and i guess it goes both ways, but one need > not > the leave the future of a nation to fate: a people > as > divided as we are will reap the whirlwind, more so > if > our prophets are an Advani or a male loon in Kuwait > named Veronica !! eric. > > > > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. > http://promo.yahoo.com/sbc/ > > ## > # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > # > # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), > and avoid top-posts # > # More details on Goanet at > http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # > # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to > reflect respect to others # > ## __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. http://promo.yahoo.com/sbc/ ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]The fate of the Dollar
Ms. Ghosh's analysis is a compendum of ideological beliefs and wishful thinking. The US dollar is the world's reserve currency due to the size of the US economy. It is the biggest market, by far, for every other economy: the EU, Japan. Thus every major economy has a vested interest in the health of the US economy and by implication in the well being of the dollar. Then there is the stability of the US political system. It's global position is underscored by it's military might, but Ms Ghosh puts th cart before the horse in suggesting that as the primary reason for the dollar's strength. Rich stable countries have powerful militaries not the other way around. It is hard to percieve the current US occupation as anything but imperialistic, but disagreement on that need not blind us to the inherent strength of the us economy and the stability of its polictical system. --- Thalmann Pereira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - Buy advance tickets for 'Shrek 2' http://movies.yahoo.com/showtimes/movie?mid=1808405861 ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]DEAR FELLOW NETTERS
Mr Churchill Alemao, a paragon of secularism ? We are all not brainless idiots , you know. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Madame and Mafia - Julio's rants
Totally irrelevant. The true test of indian-ness is when one is confronted with a choice of alu paratha and pizza for lunch. Which one does Madame favour? > "In the first place if the Congress President Sonia > Gandhi truly loves > India and Indianess, why is she still called Madame > which is an European or > rather Western term?" > __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]REVIEW: Goa and the Blue Mountains... (Robert S Newman)
Burton's book is a must read for anybody with more than a casual interest in Goa. A word of warning though, if you are indian and particurlarly goan, you will need to posses an extremely thick hide. Burton found no redeeming qualities in indians, and seemed to have developed a sneering aversion for indian catholics. Although, a victorian englishman in the east, burton was a sensualist (as one suspects many were). Unlike others, he was not ashamed of it. This makes the book all the more interesting. There is a chapter about his visit to the nautch houses of Seroda, which makes fascinating reading. Without apparrant irony, he proceedes from the brothel to a convent for young goan catholc women, where he is well recieved by the elderly portuguese nuns. Posing as a prospective suitor he intervies the young women, describing them in his typical sneering prose. Burton, though he jars on modern non-white sensibilities, in many ways represents the finest qualities in an englishmen. Absolutely certain of the superiority of his race and country, unafraid, intellectually formidable as well as being first rate at soldiering, his type created the empire. Burton went on to explore the Nile and famously to become the first westerner to enter mecca (in disguise under the pain of death). Goa and the Blue mountains is his first book, much overshadowed by his later writing. Highly reccomended. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Cultural symbols of Goa
The crab. --- "Teotonio R. de Souza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What would most Goans, of whichever religious > community, accept as their > common cultural symbol or symbols? Each community > can also think of its own > cultural symbol. But what would unite all as Goans? > > > > Teotonio R. de Souza > > > > > ## > # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > # > # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), > and avoid top-posts # > # More details on Goanet at > http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # > # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to > reflect respect to others # > ## __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]PORTUGUESE EMBRACE
Alu, It is also possible that had the european 'visitors' not arrived, we might have had our own 'reconquista'. By the way, some 'visitors', stayed on for hundreds of years, took over the house and relegated the original owners to the servants quarters! __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]PORTUGUESE EMBRACE
--- cornel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Alu wrote Re The Portuguese Embrace... > > The very small Portuguese tribe traveled east by > sea to reach the backyard > > of the infidel empire - to alleviate the military > pressure... Alu, The infidels no longer rule the roost, but the heathens and pagans do! That is the lament of many here. And, pray, what is wrong with being Pakistani? Pakistanis thank the good lord every day that they are not indians. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
RE: [Goanet] Ogling at women
Why is it so diffcult to get the point across ? It is not about ogling. It is about stereo-typing of indians, by Goa-netters. About 50% percent of the posts here are derogatory comments about indians, being oglers, cheats, corrupt, backward, women covered from head to toe etc. Indians are like any other people. Some are insufferable jerks, a few are saints and most are some where in between. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Well ... Ogling is a past-time of the "loosers" > who are unable to positively interact and build > relationships with women ... if you have grown > up with girls in your life as friends etc. You'd > most likely find it quite distasteful... > > Aparantly the same goes for pornography ... those > who have had the real thing or as the American > colloquailism goes "Are getting it" ... don't feel > the need to watch others :-) > > > halur rasho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >A sense of humour helps sometimes, you know. Not > >having devoted as much time as you have to the > study > >of this subject, I cannot speak with authority. > >However, on any week day, spend some time on the > >Bombay or Delhi University campus. I assure you the > >head to toe covering is rare, indeed. Quite the > >opposite, actually. Or better still, go on a pub > crawl > >in Bangalore. As far as India is concerned, you are > >stuck in a weird time-wrap, but then again, who > cares? > > > >And what is this "our" women and "your" women, and > >"their women" nonsense. Get rid of this notion that > >women belong to men. > > > > > > > >--- Rui Collaco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> Am I mistaken? I don't think so. Indians prefer > to > >> ogle at Goan women and > >> foreign female tourists because there's something > in > >> them to ogle at, in > >> other words, they show part of their bodies > (thank > >> God, for beauty is to be > >> seen and praised!). I don't see why and how they > >> should ogle at their own > >> women, dressed from head to toe as is the norm! > >> You do not discriminate? Not quite so. Try > talking > >> to any African that has > >> lived in India. He will say it is one of the most > >> racist societies in the > >> world. Not to speak of lower castes,harijans, > >> tribes, etc. who endure all > >> sorts of indignities, especially their women. > >> > >> Rui Collaço > >> > >> Lisboa > >> > >> > > > __ > Introducing the New Netscape Internet Service. > Only $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at > http://isp.netscape.com/register > > Netscape. Just the Net You Need. > > ## > # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > # > # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), > and avoid top-posts # > # More details on Goanet at > http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # > # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to > reflect respect to others # > ## __ Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
RE: [Goanet] Ogling at women
A sense of humour helps sometimes, you know. Not having devoted as much time as you have to the study of this subject, I cannot speak with authority. However, on any week day, spend some time on the Bombay or Delhi University campus. I assure you the head to toe covering is rare, indeed. Quite the opposite, actually. Or better still, go on a pub crawl in Bangalore. As far as India is concerned, you are stuck in a weird time-wrap, but then again, who cares? And what is this "our" women and "your" women, and "their women" nonsense. Get rid of this notion that women belong to men. --- Rui Collaco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Am I mistaken? I don't think so. Indians prefer to > ogle at Goan women and > foreign female tourists because there's something in > them to ogle at, in > other words, they show part of their bodies (thank > God, for beauty is to be > seen and praised!). I don't see why and how they > should ogle at their own > women, dressed from head to toe as is the norm! > You do not discriminate? Not quite so. Try talking > to any African that has > lived in India. He will say it is one of the most > racist societies in the > world. Not to speak of lower castes,harijans, > tribes, etc. who endure all > sorts of indignities, especially their women. > > Rui Collaço > > Lisboa > > __ Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Sons of the soil
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Re: [Goanet]oggling is good
My dear Sir Galahad, Goan females are more than capable of dealing with unwanted attention. --- Vasu Raekar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Somewhere that I read, recent stats or a research > proved that oggling was good for men. It imporves > their risk of heart attack and so on. But oggling at > Goan manas with mouth open, toungue sticking out > could > mean instant attack (maar podtolo). > Vasu > > Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 23:24:29 -0800 (PST) > From: halur rasho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: [Goanet]Goans in IAS? > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > < sell Goa's image as a land of "sussegad" people (to > use Goa's corrupt version of a > Portuguese word), easy women (that Indians come to > ogle at), << > > You are mistaken, Senhor, Indians ogle all women, > regrdless of colour, nationality or ethinicity. We > do > not discriminate. > > > > > > > ___ > Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" > your friends today! Download Messenger Now > http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html > > ## > # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > # > # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), > and avoid top-posts # > # More details on Goanet at > http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # > # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to > reflect respect to others # > ## __ Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]IAS - facts
Interesting stats. Using last names has two problems, though. Firstly they may tell us about ethinicity, but nothing about domicile. Secondly, last names are,as you pointed out, an unreliable indicator. A Rebello, kumar, Hussain or Dhawalkar could be from any number of states. Any opinions on why the relatively smaller number of natives in the goa administration ? --- Daryl Martyris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Fred, > > The question is why an IAS officer was in an purely > operational role in > which local experience counts and not a policy one > which requires great > analytical skills. The present incumbent is not IAS > and seems to be doing a > better job (certainly no worse). > > Since this discussion has gone beyond simply IAS, to > involve all government > positions, to have an informed discussion, I visted > the websites of the Goa > Govt and the Kerala Govt. to see if I could figure > out the proportion of > "locals" in high-ranking administrative positions. > Note that I chose Kerala > randomly, and my definition of "local" is based on > last names common to the > state - definitely not a scientific basis > > % > locals >Kerala >Goa > Chief secretaries, Secretaries40% 0 > Collectors 40% > 0 > Jt Secretaries>60% 36% > Under secretaries >60% 92% > Directors/Commissioners ? ? > > The >60% indicates that I stopped counting, since > the conclusion was clear. > What this tells us is that while the results in > first 2 categories might be > expected since Goa has no IAS cadre and few appear > for IAS, the other > postions (jt and under secretaries) which are not > reserved exclusively for > IAS are also disproportionately filled by non-Goans. > We already know that > even director positions are occasionally filled by > non-Goans. > > BTW I think this is unnecessarily being made into a > Goan vs. Indian vs. > Portuguese issue. Whether or not you consider Goans > as Indians or not, a > simple look at the stats above should tell us that > far more Keralites govern > themselves than do Goans. I believe that Kerala is > ahead of Goa on every > human development indicator except income. More > importantly, I know that > Kerala has made more progress on every indicator > since 1947 than Goa has > since 1961 (at least in education for sure). Ergo, > notwithstanding > political will (which is probably equally bad in > both places), I think that > there's something to be said about local expertise > to solve local problems. > Maybe having family and friends locally that one > care's about, or the fact > that one would have to stick around to face the > consequences of one's action > (or inaction) makes one do one take one's job more > seriously..I don't > know... > > May I also point out that the statement below is not > relevant to the > discussion, and is also patently false? Easterly's > (Former senior advisor > World Bank) book "The elusive quest for growth.." > suggests that Goa was > subsidized (as opposed to looted) by the Portuguese. > I happen to know > because I was forced to read it for a class. Since > he is neither Indian nor > Portuguese and deals in facts for a living, I trust > his account. In any > event, one can always consider Portuguese > citizenship as a kind of > reparations for the looting, eh? =) > > cheers, > > Daryl > > > >>Someone should tell this Collaco that the > "thousands of Goans" who were > >>part of the Portuguese administration were > basically helping that regime > >>to plunder the wealth of India. > > _ > Store more e-mails with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage > 4 plans to choose from! > http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ > > > ## > # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > # > # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), > and avoid top-posts # > # More details on Goanet at > http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # > # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to > reflect respect to others # > ## __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others #
Re: [Goanet]Goans in IAS?
Why blame the victim? If, as you say, Goans are being oppressed by a repressive by indian imperialists, why blame a journalist in that oppressed land ? Is it not your duty, as a patriot, who has the good fortune to live in a country, which as you repeatedly proclaim, is a true friend of Goa, to do something about it? A Goan - Portuguese government in exile, protests to the United Nations, protest marches to the indian embassy. I submit that, these things are not done, because it is all humbug and posturing. --- Rui Collaco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It is very disappointing to watch how journalist > Frederick Noronha tries to > explain the unexplainable. For him, Goa's small size > is the obstacle! Is > India a union of big states or a union of states? > Can anyone imagine > Maharashtra's or Karnataka's or UP's state > administrations being massively > colonised by...Goan officers? No way! So why is it > OK for Goans to be bossed > over mostly by non-Goan officers? Just because they > are brown-skinned, even > though they may come from 2000 kms away? Do they > know more about Goa than > the handful of Portuguese officials and the > thousands of Goans of all ranks > who were part of the colonial administration? I > doubt very much. > Noronha's "soft" and almost apologetic approach to > such a decisive issue for > the future of goans sounds weird. His call for > "deeper understanding of the > issue" must be music to the ears of the Indian > authorities. They can carry > on with their high-handedness regarding Goa and > Goans. They know that no > reaction can be expected from them. > > Rui Manuel Collaço > > Lisbon > > > >From: "Frederick Noronha (FN)" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Re: [Goanet]Goans in IAS? > >Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 01:29:43 +0530 (IST) > > > >On Sun, 22 Feb 2004, Daryl Martyris wrote: > > > > > I've been noticing that lot of directors and > secretaries of government > > > departments are not Goans. I heard recently that > the IAS still does not > >have > > > a Goa cadre. Is this true? Does anyone know why > is this is so? Is it > >because > > > not enough Goans qualify for the IAS to deserve > a seperate cadre? Does > > > anyone know if any Goan has ever joined the IAS? > > > I would think that not having a separate cadre > is a tacit admission > >that > > > Goans lack the capacity to be good > administrators. > > > > > > Of course this doesn't imply that governance > will automatically become > >any > > > better if Goans head the departments, nor am I > necessarily advocating a > >"Goa > > > for Goans" theme. I'm just curious. > > > >That's true. Goa doesn't have its own IAS cadre. > > > >Many reasons have been given for this; primarily > the state's small size. > >My hunch is that the prime factor is that Goans > don't trust each other > >enough. We have hundreds of years of contradictions > and bitterness among > >ourselves to be still sorted out. It's no point > blaming communalism alone, > >because even when it wasn't around in its current > form, we still had a lot > >of caste-based battles which dominated Goa for much > of the 20th century. > > > >Having said that, one would like to caution against > a simplistic > >categorisation of "Goan IAS = good" and > "outside-state IAS = bad". We > >have seen some fairly good IAS officers work in Goa > during its Union > >Territory days. I really have no answer of what has > changed since, and > >why. > > > >One could assume that a local officer might have > more concern for 'getting > >things right' in his or her home state. But this > isn't always the case. > >Does this logic work, say, for politicians? And > many others who play a > >crucial role in guiding the destiny of Goa? > > > >One needs to recall that a number of recent chief > ministers, including > >Manohar Parrikar, have had severe disagreements > with the Chief > >Secretaries, with the later having had to > ignomiously withdraw from Goa > >for political reasons. > > > >This is an issue which surely calls for a deeper > understanding. FN > > > >## > ># Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > # > ># PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to > Goa), and avoid top-posts # > ># More details on Goanet at > http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # > ># Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to > reflect respect to others # > >## > > _ > Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months > FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > > ## > # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > # > # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic
RE: [Goanet]Goans in IAS?
Re: [Goanet]Goans in IAS?
If I am not mistaken,Goa currently has a joint cadre with AP(Arunachal) and Mizoram. The BJP had proposed a joint cadre with Maharashtra or Karnatka, which was not viewed favorably. A state cadre is probably on the cards. A candidate is alloted to a state according rank and preference in the all india selection process. --- Daryl Martyris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've been noticing that lot of directors and > secretaries of government > departments are not Goans. I heard recently that the > IAS still does not have > a Goa cadre. Is this true? Does anyone know why is > this is so? Is it because > not enough Goans qualify for the IAS to deserve a > seperate cadre? Does > anyone know if any Goan has ever joined the IAS? > I would think that not having a separate cadre is a > tacit admission that > Goans lack the capacity to be good administrators. > > Of course this doesn't imply that governance will > automatically become any > better if Goans head the departments, nor am I > necessarily advocating a "Goa > for Goans" theme. I'm just curious. > > best wishes, > > Daryl > > ## > # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > # > # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), > and avoid top-posts # > # More details on Goanet at > http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # > # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to > reflect respect to others # > ## __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]TidBits- Vote Begets Illegalities
<> Wonderful. No Courts, let us beat up and kill people. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Properly to understand ....David Goldstein
<> Indeed. Who burnt the heretics? Some drunken spanish shepherds after partaking too carelessly of sangria? And they dressed up as church officials to practise for the fancy dress ball? The historians are easily fooled , are they not? The germans are responsible for the holocaust? Of course not, were did we learn such foolishness from ? Newton was English ? No, he was a tamil brahmin called Nateshan. The British, not satisfied with stealing the Kohinoor, usurped our claim to some the most significant scientific discoveries in human history. If only the truth were known __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
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RN, Colaco is so blinkered that he cannot and will not see the transformation india is going through. It will take a long time, maybe fifty to a hundred years, but when it happens, some young bharati women (i hope it is a woman) will be running a company from india , in whose lisbon branch office, a younger version of colaco, still blinkered, still muttering about the damn third world bharatis, will be an applicant for an entry level job. Till then, we keep our heads down , ignore all the insults of being third world coolies and work hard. > > Actually that's what I always do with bernado > colaco's blabbering, but your > posting forced me to take a look at it and was, as > usual, amused by the > sheer depth of his ignorance. > > He confidently proclaims that Rs 360 crore is more > than the annual budget of > many "bharati" states. I wonder which are those > states. He obviously thinks > India is still a basket case like portugal! > > Cheers, RKN > > _ > Think Marriage! Think BharatMatrimony.com > http://www.bharatmatrimony.com/cgi-bin/bmclicks1.cgi?74 > > > ## > # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > # > # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), > and avoid top-posts # > # More details on Goanet at > http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # > # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to > reflect respect to others # > ## __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]VALENTINE DAY is BASANT PANCHAMI in INDIA
I always read your writings with interest. A few comments on your latest gem. <> Why come down to our beautiful Goa in hordes and > droves to enjoy -- "or dance karo "for Christmas -- > pronounced in desi style as "KRIST MASS" > Dont just criticize, teach us how to pronounce it correctly. air and wobbling on the floor with pot bellied > stomachs and formal clothes in "PARTY ZONES" > imbibing > western styles an Indian culture??. < Is a pot belly an attribute of western or indian culture? Telephone --- is it Indian culture? > You lost me here, friend. Are you complaining about how indians pronounce the word or suggesting the word is un-indian? prepared cakes thrust in mouth --- is it Indian > culture?< Eating cakes is un-indian ? or were you suggesting politicians be made to live on bread and water? If the later, I agree. <> Hindi film actor and actresses intersperse their > talks > interviews in words in English on the visual media > often using word "actually" several times as > punctuation? Is this reflecting Indian culture?? > Hey, Anyone who criticizes goddesses like Madhuri, Poonam or Ash better be careful. > > What about the cat walks fashion shows in the > metropolitan cities and now almost at all English > medium institutions of learning or elitist cultural > events --- Is it Indian culture??? Have you watched fashion tv lately ? Beautiful scantily clad young women, on 24 hours a day. If you are proposing depriving us of such simple pleasures, mind your business. >>What when a rabid rustic loud mouthed convent > educated > fundamentalist fanatic now a Chief Minister of an > Indian state cut a birthday cake recently? despite > all the show of being a devout desi embedded in > Indian > culture ? >> Do not be shy, name names. A convent educated rustic ? Who is he, inquiring minds want to know. >Dont we have Hindu temples in Iraq, UK Indonesia > Portugal is this not a respect shown to our > culture?? > Why do always confuse the hindu religion with indian culture ? > Instead of the fundamentalist fantics destroying a > westernised culture celebrated by the minorities and > now the elite WOGS (western oriented gentlemen) > by ransacking shops and burning Valentine cards in > urban cosmopolitan metropolis areas -- > I would be careful about using the term wog. It is a derogatory reference to non-whites affecting western culture and mannerisms. celebrating the "Basant Panchami" just as I enjoyed > indulging in the festival of Phalgun --- Holi -- in > then Bombay (now Mumbai) > I doubt that most indians who read your bile filled tripe would want to celebrate anything with you, but thanks for the invitation. Happy Valentines Day. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
