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-- |Goanetters annual meet in Goa is scheduled for Dec 27, 2005 @ 4pm | || | Watch this space for more details | || -- Message: 14 Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 22:25:49 -0500 From: maurice dmello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet] Info on this song To: goanet@goanet.org Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi, Could somebody give me more info on this song? kaLiz hem hastha poi nachta poi kumpasar anthraLar sukNim pasun karthath dabrasar hya fulamcho pormoLL gomtha fakath vasak mogachim chinthnam hya monanth zathath pashaar poLoun thuka dongor pasun vonkthalo mogacho uzo! puNN voi thoso tum poi nakai, mujan thuka kains divnk nezo puro puro puro, tum fulancho thuro hya fulanim lipla moipaas amcho hya monanth zathath pashaar Thanks Maurice D. Hi Maurice, I believe this song is from "Sukhachem Sopon" and sung by Cecilia Machado and Al Jerry Braganza. Regards, Cypriano -- |Goa - 2005 Santosh Trophy Champions | || | Support Soccer Activities at the grassroots in our villages | | Vacationing in Goa this year-end - Carry and distribute Soccer Balls | --
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-- | Add your name to the CLEAN GOA INITIATIVE | || | by visiting this link and following the instructions therein | || | http://shire.symonds.net/pipermail/goanet/2005-October/033926.html | -- To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], goanet@goanet.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 23rd November, 2005. Ref: JU/CD/2005-06/e-390 PRESS NOTE On the occasion of Childrens Day, Jan Ugahi organized a Childline MassOutreach Programme and also a Childrens Day Festival. The first was held for 3 days at the Navelim fest fair wherein the message of Childline was broadcast and shared with one and all. The highlights were interaction with a large number of children and adults of all ages, from Navelim and around including some remote villages. The message of Childline as a 24-hr. free phone and outreach service, now operational for S. Goa from Jan Ugahi, was well received by those interested. The second, a cultural festival, was held at Fatima Convent School Gymnasium on 20th November 2005, for about 220 street and slum children, many of whom are members of childrens clubs started by Jan Ugahi at various slum settlements. The children participated in various group singing, puzzle, fancy dress (from waste), slogan competitions. They were also treated to a hilarious participative programme by Lights of the World Movement(N. Goa group) which comprised action songs and items, as well as a thought-provoking street play the use and abuse of the poor man on the street by politicians, IFFI guests et al. __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
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-- | Add your name to the CLEAN GOA INITIATIVE | || | by visiting this link and following the instructions therein | || | http://shire.symonds.net/pipermail/goanet/2005-October/033926.html | -- -- Hi Joe, You take me back to my golden childhood (school) days. I remember this song "Suria ghela poltoddi, chandr altoddi, ratr amurpiki. something it goes like this." And how about this song of Ashalata Wabgaonkar - Mogan pixim zaleam koxim, Patear ghalun fulam raxi, Vattek axen laileat dolle heo re heo, Aila kanar sad re tujea pavlancho. And again this song of Ulhas Buyeanv Munglurachea xearant ek cheddum dekilam Kazar mojea laghim zata mhunon tannem sangilam And one more here (I don't know the singer) Rat hi chandneachi Bhett hi mogachi, Tara ra ru ru ru ru , tara ra ru ru ru ru Tum veghin heo, tum heo, tum heo... Rat hi chandneanchi. And in khallar mallar the program that was coming on Sunday mornings at 9:30 a.m. with Tahi and Hari Mam, How can you forget "xirea kirtan" and that particular children's song which was composed on a "Bebo" (frog) which goes like this. Haddvatalo bebo, Xeta merer ubo Haddvatalo bebo Xeta merer ubo Hanvem mhunttlem bebea bebea Khuim re tuzo bhau Hanvem mhunttlem bebea bebea Khuim re tuzo bhau Bebean uddki marit mhunttlem Ddorranv, ddorranv Bebean uddki marit mhunttlem Ddorranv, ddorranv Dovo ful' komblo Durgar evun boslo Dovo ful' komnblo Durgar evun boslo Hanvem mhunttlem Kombea, kombea aiz amgher rau Halot dolot kombean mhunttlem Konkre konk. Kallo kitt buklo Umbrear evun boslo Kallo kitt buklo Umbrear evun boslo Hanvem mhunttlem Buki buki Undir aila danv Danvot danvot bukin mhunttlem Meanv, meanv. And those Konkani lokham khell they were really superb specially of Patrick Dourado's, "Gaddi Inas", Sucorro Piedade Fernandes's "Anturn polleun paim sodd" Joffy de Majorda's "Ek kollo tin fulam" Vitorino Pereira's "Durdoxea", Greg Cardozo's "Rosita". Then a play named "Director nitik sampoddlo" which I am not sure whether this play is of Joffy de Majorda. Can somebody help me in this? And then I had my own Lokam khell from my pen named "Doth" which was broadcasted in 1978 and many more of A. Romaldo Mascarenhas in which I have acted myself on the radio. Regards, Cypriano Fernandes (Riyadh, K.S.A.) Message: 8 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 21:11:26 + (GMT) From: JoeGoaUk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet] Re: ALL INDIA RADIO PANAJI (Akashvanni Ponje kendr) To: goanet@goanet.org Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Thanks EddieV. Suria gela poltodi...chandr altodi YES THIS SONG WAS PLAYING FREQUENTLY ON THE RADIO Another one (Children song) I remember.. POM POM POM POM MOTTOR GADDI MOTTORANT BOSLIA MAMA MAMI. And the popular 'Hari-mam' in the programe 'khallar ani mallar' I too remember bazarachio doro.. Godd 150 rupia kintal Nal (coconuts): Rashicho nal: ?? Kirkoll Nal ?? kazuchio Bio: Sol'lelio ani Sol naslelio (bieamchim pakitam) Natkulem/Lokam Khell ani Sangit Lokam Khell
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-- | Add your name to the CLEAN GOA INITIATIVE | || | by visiting this link and following the instructions therein | || | http://shire.symonds.net/pipermail/goanet/2005-October/033926.html | -- Hello I am not sure if anyone can help me form your church but I am looking for my sister who I have not seen for over 17 years I only have her old address she was in borda, margao goa if you think you can help me please, please e-mail me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you so much. god bless.
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-- | Add your name to the CLEAN GOA INITIATIVE | || | by visiting this link and following the instructions therein | || | http://shire.symonds.net/pipermail/goanet/2005-October/033926.html | -- PRESS NOTE Jan Ugahi, an organization working on childrens rights issues in South Goa is deeply concerned that children are not safe in a State like Goa that prides itself in having the first child friendly and protection legislation in the country, the Goa Childrens Act, 2003. The incidences of child labour & abuse are definitely on the increase despite such a landmark legislation. The safety and protection issue is further obscured by the fact that persons in positions of influence and power like Mr. Arun Sinha, editor, Navhind Times and earlier Mr. Dominic Martins, a Government employee and resident of Verna, among others, who should have shown exemplary behaviours, are themselves reportedly guilty of crimes of child labour and sexual abuse against children. Such crimes are not only to be condemned but prevented & the perpetrators punished and not shielded. What is however ironical and shameful is that the English Newspapers, some of whom often claim to be the conscience of society and attempt to sensationally expose such misdeeds, even at times indiscreetly giving information that discloses the identity of victims, have in a typical partisan manner, chosen to protect the identity of the accused and deny their readers the right to proper information. The Goan Observor may attribute this to their traditional spinelessness, but whatever their reasons, we the people must condemn this kind of selective reporting that assumes the prerogative to expose and flog whom they want and protect bigger criminals including those of their fraternity, when they want. And last but not the least, will the State explain its carefully contrived amendment of the provision of child labour in the Goa Childrens Act, to formulate a comprehensive plan of action to eradicate all forms of child labour in a phased manner instead of the original within two years of commencement of the Act ? How many more crimes against children in domestic and other forms of labour must take place before the formulation (and implementation) takes place in a phased manner? Would this not amount to abduction of responsibility on the part of the State akin to the well known legal maxim justice delayed is justice denied? - Jan Ugahi __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
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Thanks to Isabel de Santa Rita Vaz and Cecil Pinto, and at a different level to Dom Martin, the story of one of the greatest Goans, Abbe Faria, is now being remembered and written about. However, while almost all stories carried in the local media refer to Caetano Vitorino Faria's famous line, none state (for the benefit of the uninitiated reader) how the young Abbe Faria came to be got tongue-tied on going up the steps of the pulpit of Queen Maria-I's chapel at the Queluz palace. The young priest had, after all, delivered a homily to an audience as distinguished as Pope Pius VI and the princes of the Church, at the Vatican's Sistine Chapel. The young Abbe had prepared himself well (and probably rehearsed his delivery several times over) for the sermon at the Queluz chapel. But when we went up the pulpit, he was suddenly overwhelmed at the sight of the royal entourage ... and failed to find the words he had so well prepared. The father, who was standing by the pulpit below, quickly sized the situation and, in an audible but incomprehensible tongue to the distinguished audience, uttered those famous words, *Hi sogli bhaaji, Kator re bhaaji!* And out flew the words of yet another memorable sermon like the waters of the Mandovi during monsoons...
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Hello Mr.Venantius J.Pinto, Com muito prazer! Here are the details: Title of the book:Latin Grammar. Author: Fr. A.Jean, S.J. Edition:Ninth Printer-Publisher: Rev.Fr. Anandu Lourdes, Superintendent, St. Joseph's Industrial School Press, Tiruchirappali-I. Year of publication: 1965. No. of pages: 358. Thanks for giving me an opportunity to be of some service to you. If you want any other detail/s please dont hesitate to ask. Regards. Richard.
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(Mr Rene Barreto says: Mr Nair, I believe You are TRYING to ridicule SOME our Goans , please stop doing that. Please stop being too smart. I am not too sure if other Goans feel the same or are they too scared to say so. rene) Of course I'm trying to ridicule SOME Goans who keep harping on "outsiders" polluting the serenity of Goa while they themselves are comfortably ensconced in other parts of India and the world. -- RKN _ NRIs, does your family in India need money urgently? http://creative.mediaturf.net/creatives/icicibank/ICICI_NRI_ERA.htm Open an ICICI Bank NRI savings A/c
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Excellent. I do not miss reading it a single day. However, can you please tell us whatever happened to those sites from where we could download and listen to those melodious Konkani songs till about 2002 or so? Apparently those vibrant sites are now dormant. Kind regards. _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
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A GOAN WHO WAS HANGED IN KUWAIT. Since a fortnight back when Rosary Ferns released his 12th Konkani Album RAAG, based on a true story of a Goan who was hanged in Kuwait some years back, lot of people are showing interest in what actually has happened and why he was hanged.. Approximately about 6 months before the invasion of Kuwait by Iraq on 2nd August 1990, Francis Araujo was hanged in Kuwait. He was from Santa Cruz (Calafura) Ilhas, approximately 2 years before the invasion of Kuwait, Francis Araujo was travelling in a bus from Kuwait Public Transport Company, Route No. 18, which was driven by a Turkish driver while the conductor from Egypt. When Francis Araujo entered the bus, he gave one Dinar Note to the conductor for the ticket fare since Francis had no change with him. After handing over the ticket, the conductor gave back the balance money in small coins to Francis. While receiving this change Francis asked the conductor thus, why are you giving me this type of change in small coins?. Conductor got annoyed at Francis for this question and asked him either take it or get lost. In the ensuing argument both the persons lost their temper and in the fight the driver also joined in support of his colleague and both assaulted Francis and threw him out of the bus. Francis' pride was hurt. Then and there Francis decided to teach a very good lesson to his sudden foes and immediately went home, got a nice sharp knife and waited for the bus to return at the same spot where he was thrown out. After a long wait, there was no sign of that bus returning and Francis decided to go home as his temper started cooling down. While he was taking a step back to return home, he suddenly saw that same bus coming and again raised his temper and said to himself, now I will show them. Yes, the driver stopped the bus at that same bus stop and the moment the bus door was opened, Francis jumped on the conducter and stabbed him. Then the driver came to the rescue of his colleague but Francis without any fear stabbed the driver too and both died. Meantime passengers in the bus started screaming and running for their lives but Francis did not interfere with any of the passengers. After stabbing them, Francis took bold step that without uttering a single word he remained seated on one of the seats in surrender to whoever wants to arrest him. Meantime news went to the police and they came and arrested him, handcuffed him and took him to their custody. Without any resistance Francis surrendered to the Police. Since Francis mother, sister, brother Daniel and Daniels wife were all working as domestics in Kuwaiti houses, they came to know of this tragic news only after a week when Francias sister-in-law first got this news and immediately passed it on to her husband Daniel. When Daniel received this news over telephone, in his own words Daniel told me that it looked to him at that moment that a powerful stone was hit on his head and for a few seconds he remained breathless and speechless. Then Francis poor mother and sister got this news and they were all in shock. When Daniels Kuwaiti Madame got this news, she immediately sacked Daniel from his domestic job and on the same night deported Daniel back to Goa. When Madams son got this news of Daniels sacking by his mother he was annoyed at this wrong decision saying that if Daniels brother has committed the crimes then Daniel is not to be blamed and sacking him was a wrong decision. But his mother according to Daniel was firm and hence Daniel was deported but within a short period Daniel was brought back by his Madams son in the company where he was working as top man. After returning back to Kuwait Daniel while working borrowed some money from here and there and hired a lawyer to fight the case in favour of his brother but finally justice prevailed and Francis was sentenced to die by hanging. Then Daniel approached Indian Embassy to make a mercy petition but according to him Embassy told him to come thru your Goan organization. We Goans did not have any apex body to fight for our cause, that time only one known Goan association was existing named Kuwait Goan Association which was involved mainly in organizing ballroom dances thrice a year and it was not a representative of Goans in Kuwait. We did not have at that time an apex body like Malyaleess UMO (United Malyali Organisation). In such a situation, Daniel finally approached Kuwait Catholic Church to make a mercy petiton and Kuwait Bishop was very symphatetic to Daniels plea. Bishop and other priest were very co-operative to Daniel, when Bishop was going to the prison to see Francis, he was even taking along Francis brother and mother. The Kuwaiti employers of Francis mother, sister and sister-in-law were co-operative and they provided them all the help whenever required to go to see Francis in prison. Finally, nothing worked, all
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>From: Gabriel de Figueiredo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dr. Salelkar, why did you have to wait until the building is near collapse to perform even remedial repairs? Do you look after your house in the same way? Do you wait until your ceiling is about to collapse before you do anything about it? Sheer negligence on your part is all I can say. Dear Dr. Salelkar, Is it true that someone from your "health" service ... someone very high up on the ladder ... was distributing CHICKENS to the locals in the vicinity of the Poiguinium elections which Isidore won ! Is it true? Could you please tell us WHAT you personal take on that is? Is it also true that one has to bribe Mr. Marble Floors to get any half decent service at GMC? just asking jc Goa Journos ..what sayest thou?
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On 15/06/05, Cynthia Fernandes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Good day > > > > > >Today before you think of saying an unkind word > > >Think of someone who cant speak.. And while you are at it give love to someone today > > >Love someone with what you do and the words you say > > > > > >Love is not meant to be kept locked inside of us and > > >hidden So give it away > > > > > >"Give Love to someone today!" > > > > > > Cynthia RESPONSE: Viva Cynthia, I am trying to give my love away, no takers just yet! Cheers. Gabe Menezes. London England.
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Good day > >Today before you think of saying an unkind word >Think of someone who cant speak > >Before you complain about the taste of your food >Think of someone who has nothing to eat > >Before you complain about your husband or wife >Think of someone who's crying out to God for a companion > >Today before you complain about life >Think of someone who went too early to heaven > >Before you complain about your children >Think of someone who desires children but they're barren > >Before you argue about your dirty house someone didn't clean or sweep >Think of the people who are living in the streets > >Before whining about the distance you drive >Think of someone who walks the same distance with their feet > >and when you are tired and complain about your job >Think of the unemployed, the disabled and those who wished they had >your job > >But before you think of pointing the finger or condemning another >Remember that not one of us are without sin and we all answer to one >maker > >And when depressing thoughts seem to get you down >Put a smile on your face and thank God you're alive >and still around > >Life is a gift >Live it... >Enjoy it... >Celebrate it... >And fulfill it. > >And while you are at it give love to someone today >Love someone with what you do and the words you say > >Love is not meant to be kept locked inside of us and >hidden So give it away > >"Give Love to someone today!" > Cynthia _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
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I wish Sachin Phadte had sought this information before sending the fabricated text to Goanet. It would be good if Sachin or his friend cleared this matter with the web source administration (Hindunet). Anyway, at least the Goanetters are this way made aware of such Hindunet falsifications. I am sending to Sachin by private mail (since it cannot be sent to Goanet) the scanned pages of my article from where the first two paragraphs (not three as I had thought) have been quoted (with slight variations). All the rest that follows (which makes almost two or three thirds of that text attributed to me) is sheer non-sense! What a dirty and cynical way of promoting Hinduism! Teotonio R. de Souza - From: "Sachin Phadte" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: goanet@goanet.org Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 10:24:02 +0530 Subject: [Goanet]Re: Historian on Goa Inquisition or a Novel form of misusing Goanet? Reply-To: goanet@goanet.org I am happy to have received the message from Teotonio de Souza. I sent this message on this forum precisely for the reasons Teotonio has mentioned, and I wanted it to be cross checked by someone in authority. Incidentally, can Teotonio explain to me in what way are the first three paragraphs not very faithfully quoted. I would like to send the information to my friend, so that his mind can be disabused. Sachin Phadte
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On 27/05/05, Goretti Fernandes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thank you Dr Joaquim De Souza for suggesting topics for discussion, I think > this is the best way for people to hold debates and discuss on topics that > are relevant to the improvement of lifestyle in Goa > rather than the now boring topics of Caste, homosexuality and Iraq. > > Maria G. RESPONSE: Well said madam, so why don't you start and we shall see if we can enter the fray! -- Cheers, Gabe Menezes. London, England
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Thank you Dr Joaquim De Souza for suggesting topics for discussion, I think this is the best way for people to hold debates and discuss on topics that are relevant to the improvement of lifestyle in Goa rather than the now boring topics of Caste, homosexuality and Iraq. Maria G.
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If available here, will mail, send me a list of what you you would like to plant. Eric. --- celes fernandes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > free seed how do i get it? > Pls let me know > > Regards > > > > __ > Yahoo! Mail Mobile > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your > mobile phone. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail > > Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html
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Dear Sir, We need your kind help to contact the de Valadares family as we are researching our common family history in Calcutta/Bombay pre 1825 & post 1850s. In particular the family of Mr. MJ de Valadares, a violinist and multi linguist believed to have originated from Goa. It is also known that you have a Father Valadares who has been mentioned several times in your bulletins. Perhaps he may be able to help? Pleases pass this on. Looking forward to your kind reply. If you are unable to help, would you be so king as to put us in contact with your local authority who may be able to assist us. Many thanks André Saubolle (London England) CC Sue Broomer nee de Valadares
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Darren , My suggestion , keep focused in what you do. Do not get distracted in the side shows ! There are many who would like to see nothing good happen... rene --- Darren Fernandes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I am enquiring as to who posted a comment relating > to goanparty.com in > regard to some spelling mistakes in konkani. > > They obvioulsy have nothing better to do in their > lives than criticise. I > was forwarded this post and quite frankly whoever > this is cannot appreciate > how some young goan people are trying to keep the > younger generation of the > community together. > > > > __ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
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I am enquiring as to who posted a comment relating to goanparty.com in regard to some spelling mistakes in konkani. They obvioulsy have nothing better to do in their lives than criticise. I was forwarded this post and quite frankly whoever this is cannot appreciate how some young goan people are trying to keep the younger generation of the community together.
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Doesn't this stuff below come under Goanet's prohibitions? What are the moderators doing? Not that I have any strong difference with what is stated, but people who write stuff like this should learn to be even-handed and not target one particular brand of irrationality, while zealously defending their own favourite brand. > I discussed what I know of as Hinduism by itself; That it does not > qualify > as a religion because it is casteist, racist and blasphemous; > putting > animals and unbelievable characters and myths born out of 'ganza > taking? > above the Human Being! In all other religions the doctrine and or > faith is > based on Humans as prophets and or god; also in Bhudism; though they > do not > believe in an external God; they do believe in that "God is -- Question everything - Karl Marx
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Goa Going Slumbai Goa should learn some lessons from what is happening to Mumbai. The metropolis which is increasingly being referred to Slumbai. The commercial capital of the country which has the dubious distinction of having the largest slum in Asia if not the world. A stinking cesspool called Dharavi. Over 60 percent if not more of the population of Mumbai now live in slums. And slum colonies keep springing up not by the year or the month but by the day and by the hour. When slums get established it is impossible to remove them. What has happened to Mumbai could well happen to Goa. Goa has seen waves of immigrants. Partly because Goans are averse to manual labour of any type. All the carpenters and plumbers and masons in Goa are from outside the State. All the construction labour are from Karnataka an Maharashtra. All the employees in the steel rolling mills are from Bihar and Uttar Pradesh. All the security guards are from Orissa. We do not know whether the fact that the Governor is from Nagaland has anything to do with it. But there is an increasing number of young people from the North East in the hospitality industry. For the poverty stricken chronically drought affected states like Bihar and Orisssa, Goa is Dubai. One can see the presence and impact of continuous waves of immigration all over Goa. Particularly in villages in and around industrial estates. Just to give one instance villages like Nagoa in Verna has been virtually been taken over by immigrant labour. Then of course there is the notorious Fukat Nagar in Vasco so called because every structure is illegal. Closer to the capital city there is Goas own Dharavi, Chimbel. Slum colonies and illegal structures flourish in Goa as anywhere else because of the patronage extended by politicians. Once a slum colony comes up it is next to impossible to eradicate it. This has been proved time and time again. Whenever there is any attempt to clear a slum colony there is a stiff opposition from politicians. And Goa will hurtle relentlessly towards becoming a Slumbai. courtesy Goan Observer http://www.goanobserver.com/members/ (subscription article) === DARK DEEDS EXPOSED by RAJAN NARAYAN: ALL THE SKELETONS that Manohar Parrikar tried his best to hide and suppress while he was in power are coming tumbling out of his cupboard. The latest and the most shocking instance of the criminal irresponsibility with which the Parrikar regime went about awarding contracts to dubious parties is the exclusive contract entered into for sale of surplus power. Just a few months before the collapse of the Parrikar government and the termination of the Power trading agreement with Harry Dhaul, the state just escaped being taken for a further roller coaster ride by Harry Dhaul. Thanks to Goan Observers (Jan. 10-16, 2004) exposure of the scam, the project was abandoned and the inauguration of the same by the President, Abdul Kalam, was cancelled at the last moment. Harry Dhaul was allegedly very close to BJP leaders both at the centre and in the state and is reported to have contributed to the election war chest of the party Corporation. Harry Dhaul failed to deposit the proceeds of the sale of surplus power belonging to the government of Goa into the treasury of the State government. At the time of writing, in what senior government officials insist on casually referring to as a commercial dispute, Harry Dhaul owes the Goa government over Rs 100 crores. courtesy Goan Observer http://www.goanobserver.com/members/ (subscription article) === Joke of the Month of April (courtesy GoaNet Reader April 30, 2005) Press in Goa By Rajesh Singh The press in Goa has undergone many dramatic changes over the decades since Liberation. From being a propaganda machine of the colonialist Portuguese regime, it is today a powerful medium to convey the views and aspirations of the people of the state. The press has BECOME a WATCHDOG of society, and to a significant extent it has been keeping a watch on the performance of our public figures, not hesitating to pull them up for their lapses. Recommended Goan Sites in Cyberspace Goa-World at http://www.goa-world.com * TGF at http://www.colaco.net The Goan Forum d-list is at http://www.egroups.com/groups/goa-goans To respond directly to any post [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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00 IndianFootball.Com has relaunched a completely revamped FIFA World Cup section to cover world sports most prestigious and biggest event next year to be played in Germany. Our Special section "India's Passage to Germany" sadly had ended with the Indian national teams exit from the qualifiers, but as IndianFootball.Com's two Editors-in-Chief are based in Germany, we will bring you extensive coverage from the 2005 Confederations Cup and the 2006 FIFA World Cup with our very own Indian perspective. But still if you want to see how our Indian national team faired in the World Cup qualifiers, the section contains the most detailed infos on the web about the Indian campaign. Go to: http://www.indianfootball.com/specials/wc2006/ Arunava Arunava Chaudhuri IndianFootball.Com Editor-in-Chief India's Premier Football Site [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile: +49 160 4819749 === rene barreto IFSC Int., =
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Im afraid i hv not bn receiving yr mail for quite sometime. wud apreciate receiving yr mails. thanx Chris Fernandes
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Hello Margaret Mascarenhas This refers to your vicious personal attack against me in Goa Today. I could have ignored your rambling diatribe but silence is often tantamount to acceptance of guilt so I will try to write a few words in response to your article of Feb 2005. (Its besides the point that Goa Today does not care to get the other point of view. They are more used to issuing apologies.) >= quote from Margaret Mascarenhas * >I was attending one when Tony Martins, whom I had >never met, dropped off his manuscript. He had been >pointed in my direction by The Other India Press. You are quite right that Mr. Claude Alvares of OIP recommended you to me for the editing of my book Naked Goa. But I received the directions to get to your place in Tivim from YOU. Right? * >In an email exchange with Martins, I agreed to "have >a look" at his work The words you chose to put in quotes or their equivalent were never used by you in your correspondence with me. * >and, in a telephone exchange with Claude Alvares, >learned that he had inquired about, and been >informed of, my professional fees. Claude Alvares of Goa Foundation did say something about your charges being on the higher side. Which is why I asked you in my very first e-mail Whether you would be interested in editing my book Naked Goa for nothing more than a million thanks? Your answer was Sure. (I even thought then: well, looks like she is impressed with my mail.) * >After reading the work, I turned down Martins' >cavalier pitch that I edit it for free, briefly >explaining my time and financial constraints. You read my work. I am glad you did never mind if you did not like it. I can understand your time and financial constraints but you never said a word about it in your correspondence with me. * >He asked for my rates, I gave them. He claimed he >couldn't afford those rates, or any rates whatsoever. That is a LIE, Margaret Mascarenhas. I never asked for your rates. I wouldnt care. The Rs 5000/- that you told me later was certainly reasonable but I was going by your WORD. The word was sure and it was in answer to my question whether you would be interested in editing my book Naked Goa for nothing more than a million thanks. * >Then he phoned my neighbor's daughter, whom he had >met in my absence, and asked her to deliver the MS >to him in Panjim. The girl's mother didn't like the >idea, and neither did I. As far as I am concerned, I had a very civil conversation with your neighbour and her daughter. They were very gracious to me, and I to them. * >It's one thing not to be able to afford a >professional editor. But asking a college student >he'd barely met, to save him the bus fare? You are a novelist. Effective use of words I must say but... When I requested your neighbours daughter to kindly carry the manuscript with her to college (in Ponda) the next day, she advised me she had a classmate in Loutolim and that she would pass it to her so I could collect it at my convenience. This conversation took place right in the presence of her mother. I dont of course know WHAT you were told, WHAT you understand, and WHAT went through your mind. Throughout the entire meeting our neighbour and her daughter were very civil to me, and I to them. As advised by the young lady, I collected the MS from Loutolim two days later. * >I requested Martins to collect the MS. He did. To be perfectly honest Margaret Mascarenhas, that is another LIE. You never requested me to collect the manuscript. I collected the MS from Loutolim as per the arrangement advised by your neighbours daughter. * >Apart from the odd notion that anyone would >be "interested" in working for nothing. While there are those who will do anything to grab money, there are innumerable people all over the world who work for nothing (at least not for money) so in my simple comprehension I fail to grasp what is so odd about something that is a universal fact. * >Martins implies that I agreed to edit his work for >free (I never agree to edit before reading, free or >otherwise), went ahead and edited, and then >presented him with an invoice. Perhaps more than what my straight forward question implied, you assumed too much. * >(I never agree to edit before reading, free or > otherwise), If you had said this in response to my first mail it would have saved us and a lot of other people some trouble. * >As if this weren't bizarre enough, he then proceeds >to launch an attack on cartoonist Mario Miranda for >choosing to go to Brazil instead of staying here and >drawing him a cover--also for free. Well Mario is a busy person like you. I will gladly concede that there is no moral imperative for you people to change our diapers. But at least people should be definite about their Yes and No and stick to it. * >So I'll be blunt: acting like a giant baby is not >how to make it the world. I think growing up has more to do w
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Excerpt From http://www.business-standard.com/common/storypage.php?hpFlag=Y&chklogin=N&au tono=179782&leftnm=lmnu2&leftindx=2&lselect=0 Airports regulator Bill in Budget session Independent watchdog for airlines, aviation infrastructure Our Corporate Bureau / New Delhi February 03, 2005 A Bill to set up an Airport Economic Regulatory Authority (AERA) for the aviation sector is likely to be introduced during the coming Budget session of Parliament. The AERA would be regulating the economic affairs of the sector, Ajay Prasad, secretary, ministry of civil aviation, said today at the National Conference of Transport Infrastructure and Logistics Network organised by the Confederation of Indian Industry (CII) here. The move is aimed at putting in place a mechanism to monitor the operations of various airlines as well to prescribe norms for operating airports. The proposed regulator will be different from the Director-General of Civil Aviation (DGCA), which regulates the aviation sector. "The regulator would be set up by an Act of Parliament," Prasad said on the sidelines of the CII conference. Being of the view that an independent regulator is required, the government is pushing for greater private participation in air-services operations and developing airport infrastructure. .. ... ... .. ... ... --- $1 m. question: What is the status of Dabolim in all the plans for regulation, modernisation, privatisation etc.?
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On Sun, 16 Jan 2005, Salus Correia wrote: If the priest is really guilty, then surely our good man Joel will give us the news off the local papers as he has faithfully been doing so far. I may point out here that the main English-langauges papers seem to be avoiding this issue. While persistent repetition of allegations could lead to a mistrial at this stage, likewise a blackout on any issue is no solution in itself. This is a complex issue. As Goanetters we have to make sure that an innocent man's name is not tarished by ceaseless repitition of allegations. On the other hand, if anyone was guilty he should not be let off the hook simply because everyone ganged up. Once again, an appeal to everyone's good sense. FN
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I am sure that most of the Goanet readers are already tired of the Ribandar debate. I could understand it if a sincere attempt was made by Aires Rodrigues to give us the facts, but the way he has chosen to use Goanet to meet his own personal ends surely disgusts me. I feel sick reading every post of his detailing what he has accused the priest of doing. While at no stage am I confirming or denying what the priest has done, please, do not portray him as guilty while the matter is still sub-judice. It is high time the admin team steps in and stops this so called debate because it is no longer a debate, but a mud slinging activity. If the priest is really guilty, then surely our good man Joel will give us the news off the local papers as he has faithfully been doing so far. I am sure that majority of Goanet readers will agree with my point of view on this subject. I am looking forward to a confirmation from the admin team that this so called debate has been closed with immediate effect. "Frederick Noronha (FN)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Someone I met yesterday in Panjim said, "This Ribandar debate is going on too long at Goanet." > ...the general member also has a responsiblity to speak up
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Open letter to Mr. Manohar Parrikar, the Chief Minister of GOA. Dear Mr. Manohar Parrikar, At the outset, let me make it very clear to you that I am writing this letter to you, as the CEO, and the Chief Minister of GOA. And therefore, I need to keep in mind that this address to you must observe all the due respect and civility as demanded by the chair that you are presently occupying, and not necessarily as a mark of respect for you as a person. Needless to say that I write this letter in my personal capacity, as a concerned cititzen of GOA with very proven and transparent secular credentials. You must be aware, through the State President of the Bharatiya Janata Party, Mr. Rajendra Arlekar, who attended the Heads of Political Parties of Goa 'Meet' called by the Governor of Goa on December 27, p.m., to discuss the 'Controversial VCD', that I have, in the capacity as the head of a political party, while addressing His Excellency during the discussions, named you, on several occasions, as 'the brain' behind the VCD, being the professed point-man of the communal RSS in Goa ( while none of the other heads prefered to do so), and have asked for the dismissal of your government and the imposition of the President's rule in Goa, with immediate effect. I have done so because I am convinced to the very debt of my bones that you are furthering the dying agenda of the RSS's 'Communal Divide' ideology in Goa, ever since you have taken over as Goa's CM. I have pointed out to His Excellency that you had taken active part in the demolition of the Babri Masjid at Ayodhya on December 6, 1992. I have bitterly opposed your occupying the honourable chair of the Chief Minister of Goa, ever since you tricked Francisco Sardinha into clearing the way for you to sit on this chair, fraudulently and with intense political manipulations and arm-twisting tactics. And you are all too aware that I have been working, in my own little ways, to alert the people of Goa that your continuance in the exalted chair as Goa's Chief Minister will do more evil for Goa and for the average Goan, than good. But the intensity of my anti-RSS feelings against you had never attained the saturation point in these few years since 1999, in the understanding that "one should not hate the certified poison to the extent that it is allowed to corrupt one's own being" and in the understanding that the people of Goa, who are more suscegad than alert, needed the time to realize the danger they are facing. But the entire situation has changed for me since last evening when I watched the Goan cable TV news channels, where Mr. Luisizho Faleiro has made a categorical statement that the Chief Minister has made a remark that "All those who oppose the VCD have Portuguese blood in them". I personally take this as a most demeaning statement that Goa's Chief Minister can make, for it insults my entire being as a proud and bonafide Goan. And for your kind information, you need to hear from me that you have crossed all norms of decency by encroaching on the massive tolerance of Goans like me, that from now on, you and your RSS agenda to divide and rule Goans will be fought back tooth and nail, civilly and democratically. Your above derogatory statement, which has also been reported in the section of Marathi language newspapers, is demeaning because I am a Goan who has never held any great respect for the Portuguese colonial rulers and more so, because I have grown up to suffer for being a Portuguese subject. I have hated my contemporary Goans (read Hindus) calling me a Portuguese and telling me to go to Portugal if I am not happy in Goa. But I could, and I have, made them see reason as to how I am a bonafide Goan, a bonafide Indian, whereas they themselves could be bonafide Indians but were not bonafide Goans and that the red blood of Goa is running through my veins. But if the Chief Minister of my State who is ruling by default, without a mandate to do so, and who knows that I oppose this vile VCD of his own making from my bones and still prefers to say that there is Portuguese blood running in my veins, nothing more could be so insulting to me. Therefore, I am telling you, here and now, that if you think that it is so, then just as well. I prefer to have the Portuguese blood running in my veins than to have the vicious, poisonous bloody-black blood of the RSS running into my veins just like it is running in yours and your RSS clan. I have gone on record, many times, to say that you have not a single drop of Goan blood in your veins to make you a Goan. That was my qualified assumption so far. But you have now proved that it is true. You must be pat with the RSS history. But let me enlighten you on the Goan history some. Bruto Da Costa was a thorough gentleman, an advocate and a thorough-bred Goan, who did not only oppose the Portuguese in Goa, but it is on record that he, not only did have a duel of words with the Portuguese Governor of Goa, during the
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## # Goanetters-2004 meet in Goa. Dec 21, Tuesday. 12 noon to 2 pm. # # Clube Vasco, Near Municipal Garden, Panjim. Pass the word around! # ## To: Reuvon Proenca <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Date: 16th December, 2004. Ref: JU/PC/2004-05/e-210 Sub: Reg: Tourism Related Paedophile a blind eye Reply to Reuvon Proenca - 2 Before I go to the questions, let me respond to the note in your introduction Reg. your article in GT dtd. 31-8-04 you say the information we provided in the report was also provided to tehelka by your office so what's the big secret? correct me if I'm wrong when I say that the info we published was the same that you have in your files. You seem reluctant to admit it Reuvon. The big secret is that we were sure that you used our information to pen your article in GT even if it was presented as GTs investigation. To quote it GT has been closely following leads on the movement of suspected paedophiles in S. Goa--- Our investigations reveal that there are, at the very least, four such people whose movements and activities are highly suspicious We think it was unethical of Tehelka to hand this information to you as it was given to them on a confidential basis to be used for further investigation by them and not for mere media sensation. We also did it because we believed that if the State could not take a stand, they should be exposed. And, it was unethical on your part to publish it, without our permission. Responses to Questions: 1. Does substantial information mean rape of a child? weren't you'll aware that Joe was living with a minor girl for almost 10-years? R. We have not said or implied that. If we were aware we would obviously have acted. Giorgio was a suspect on our list under another name for nearly 2 years and the said girl who has been declared to be 21 years old was a major then. A lot of incriminating evidence has come to the surface after he was booked. 2. There is a problem with the police. you know that and I know that. we all know there's a problem but is anyone trying to put forward a solution? R. Who is this anyone you have in mind? May be the press should take up a campaign like GT did with the Peoples Court to identify the deeper problem and put forward the solution. The NGOs on their part have on several occasions tried to define the problem and put forward a solution. The Goa Childrens Act 2003 was a major step in this direction. 3. Your allegations about Middleton are serious. Have you made any formal complaint in court or to any kind of authority. I would suggest you do that, if not done already. R. We realize you are not well informed about the case, to make the above suggestion. Despite all attempts by the enforcement agency to scuttle and close the case, we are still fighting for justice in the Court. 4. If not the police, then who? are paedophiles going scot free only because the police are allegedly cahoots with them? The children's act makes provision for arrest of paedophiles with hard evidence. R. Good questions. Maybe the readers will attempt an answer. We on our part do our best to see that they do not go scot free despite a lot of hurdles including during the investigation and prosecution process. 5. Ringlemann was a blot. but again, did the NGOs file a complaint against the police handling of the matter. there's always the judiciary. also, proving the Ringleman case, as per the info I have, would have been difficult. isn't it better that the monster is out of the country for good? R. As I said in my earlier response, CRG had informed the police long ago. Did the NGOs file a complaint? You ask. Should it be mandatory for NGOs to file a complaint for the police to act? This brings us to the question of the role of the State vis-à-vis such acts. Should it be merely reactive? Should it not be proactive? If Im not mistaken, in past instances, the police & Courts have taken a suo moto approach and treated as an FIR, Newspaper Reports. That was precisely the question put to the DIG Randhava after the Tehelka private screening with the police by some of us - if they cannot act on the basis of the recorded statement/evidences in the video recording. Be it paedophilia cases or acts of vandalism the patent response of the State is: no one has made a complaint, implying that they can act only if a complaint is recorded. This certainly betrays a lack of will on the part of the State and an attempt to sideline and mislead the people. Is merely driving the monster out of the country, without even a shake-up, the solution? Such an approach doesnt even work as a deterrent or preventive, according to us! If we drive one out there will be other Ringlemans
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## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## hi there u guys are doing a great job keep it up just to tell u i have a vacancy in mumbai for a well know elite club in mumbai as a stweard salary will be Rs 3000 for more information u can get in touch with me my name is Jonas Rodrigues my cell no is 9820221006 please if u can foward this to the other members it will be great thanks Regards Jonas - Original Message - From: "Joel D'Souza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 1:37 PM Subject: [Goanet-news]15 DEC 2004: GOACOM DAILY NEWS CLIPPINGS ABVP . (GT) MMC'Swill be inducted as
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## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Ref: JU/GSACS/2004-05/e-194 Date: 29th November, 2004 Press Note Jan Ugahi, an NGO, undertaking AIDS Targetted Intervention among migrant labour, tourism related workers, fisherman and street children in South Goa, has organized the following programmes to commemorate World AIDS Day. Poster & Collage Competition for 8th & 9th Std school students, on 7th December04 and the topics are: i. Routes of transmission of HIV ii. HIV/AIDS does not spread through Inter College Street Play Script Writing Competition and the topics are: i. Combating Stigma & Discrimination faced by HIV +ve persons ii. HIV/AIDS the problems faced by women/girls are more acute than those faced by men/boys. iii.HIV/AIDS ..Forewarned is Forearmed Free Health Camp at Khareband on 5th Dec for the underprivileged migrant labour population. Awareness Programme in Margao Garden on 10th Dec., where street plays, slide shows, stalls to exhibit & distribute material on AIDS, Human Rights, Rights of Children & Women, Condom Promotion & Distribution will be held. HIV/AIDS Awareness Prog. in Colva on 11th Dec., with street plays & stall. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Dear Editor, The Government of Goa's decision to keep the post of the Director General of Police (DGP)in abeyence is a veiled attempt to get rid of its present occupant. Apparently, the Cabinet has already written to the Home Ministry to this effect. It should be noted here that Shri Amod Kanth, the present DGP, is an upright and no-nonsense police officer having impeccable professional credentials. It would be sad if such a widely respected DGP becomes a victim of the political machinations of the day. Those who know his past service record will vouch for the fact that he has served the police force with distinction. Moreover, he is endowed with human compassion, a rare quality among many serving police officials. His recent initiatives pertaining to isssues of women and children ought to be appreciated by one and all. His long-standing association with PRAYAS, an NGO working for street children in Delhi, has been the high watermark of his many accomplishments. His departure is definitely going to be a loss to Goa. I urge all conscientious citizens of Goa to come forward and demonstrate their good will for the present DGP so that the prestige and neutrality of his office does not get sacrificed at the altar of petty politics. Manish K. Thakur Lecturer Department of Sociology Goa University Goa-403 206, India. Telephone-o832-2451843 (R); 0832-2451347-Ext. 338 Fax: +91-832-2451184
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## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## D' PIETRO: KONKANI BHAXECHO ZUZARI Fankivont Konkani Boroinnar, potrakar ani kadamborikar Bab Bonaventure D'Pietro haka hea vorsacho 'Antonio Pereira Konknni Puroskar 2004' favo zala. Ho puroskar taka Mumboicho, Padri Casmiro D'Mello anik ek vhodd konkani bhaxecho bokht hanchea hatintlean eka vhodd dobhajean Porvore dongrar 'Thomas Stephens Kendre' hanga hea mhoineanche 25ver divpant ailo. Hea dhobajeak tea vellar konkani bhaxeche mogi, namneche boroinnar, tiatrist, Padri ani her Pietro-che borem magpi thuim khub hajir asle. Bonaventure D'Pietrochi hanvem konnak ani kherit ponnim konkani bhaxecheam mogiank ollokh korun diunk zai oxem mhaka disona. Konkani mollar tannem aplem jivit zoroilem, korpailem, ul'pailem ani uchara bhailo vavr korun dovorlo. Heach tachea mahan vavra khatir taka ho puroskar favo zata. Hea puroskara vangdda taka Rs. 25,000/- (ponchvis hoza) duddvanchem bokxis favo zata. Tankam ho inam mevlo dekun zaiteam romi borovpeank khub anond zalo, karann ho inam tankam ani tanchea vavra khatir favo aslo dekun. Aplo faiddo pollenastana ani rinnache dongor ubhe zatat tanchi fikir legun korinastana ho konkani bhaxecho bokht aple avoi bhaxe pasot tan-mon laun dis-rat vavrot ravla ani azun meren vavrot asa. Apli khas arthik poristhiti legun kitli gombhir asa tichi porvakorinastana tannem apleo kadamboreo khudd prokaxit keleat ani oxe toren konkani bhaxecho dorzo vaddonk ani tika unchlo man mellonk aplem jivit korchilam mhonnlear hanv otitai adharchonam oxem mhaka dista. Inam vanttchea vellar aplea uloupan Bonaventure Bab eka ummaleanim bhorlelea kallzan oso udhgarlo :" Ek lekh borounk kivam ek kadambori borounk ek sompem kam, punn ti kadambori prokaxit korunk ek sompem kam nhoi. Zaite pautt mhaka mhojeo kadambori prokaxit kortana eke baunterak pavil'le ostore bhaxen bhoglam. Zoxe porim ti porsud zanvcho vell pavtoch bobo-ueli marun 'naka saiba - anik naka' mhonnta, toslem kitem tori mhaka bhoglam. Punn borovp ani boroilelem prokaxit korop zaun asa mhojem dusrem soimbh, dekun he nimnnea vellar attavitte bhogtat tanchi porva korinastana hanv ekar-ek korun sabar kadambori ani pustokam borovn prokaxit korit ravlam. Zaite zan godiek mhaka 'PISO' oxem mhonnntelet, zo butt laglo tori-i xikon xanno zaina. Punn, vhoi, hanv ek maim bhaxechea mogan piso zal'lo. Mhojea bhurgea ponnar mhaka iad asa, thodde pautt kadambori xaptana, kagda khatir favo te duddu xapkhaneachea mallokak legun diunk mhoje lagin bolsant domddi asonasli. Ani oslea vellar hanvem te duddu ubhe korunk ani mallokak diunk mhojea kaim khasgi legun vostu orddea mallak vikun kaddleat, itleach karonnak ki mhoji kadambori xaponn toer zanvchi ani ti xapkhanneant lovot urona zaunk he nodrent." Bonaventuran konkani bhaxen sabar kadambori boroileat ani inama zoddleant. Zoxe porim, 'Soitanacho Ghutt' 1958, 'Kallea Vistidachi Choli' 1072, Clara, Mhojea Paicho Fondd 1974, From Goa With Love 1975, Terra numbrachi kottri (mottveo kotha) Mog vo Patok 1976. 'Ek Bhett Mungllurche Xarak' 1977, Mhaka Jieunk Diat 1984, Tichea Mornna Uprant 1990, Nazarethkar 2000, ani 'Songit Doulot Goenkaranchi' 2004. Dalgado Konkani Akademi hanchea asrea khala tanchi novi kadambori 'Janya Celi' hea vorsa dezembr mhoinneant uzvaddak ietli. Fuddarak aplem ek atm-choritr (autobiography) uzvaddak haddunk tachi fuddli ievzonn asa. Hantun to Goenchem bodoltem rup ani soimb aplea bhurgeaponnar savu aiz meren dekhot aila tachem vornon korunk axeta. 61 vorsanche piraier tacho mog aple maim bhaxe sovem kosoch komi zaunk nam. Zorui tachi bholaiki zoborxi taka aplo sangat dina ani oskotai ubi zata torui konkani bhaxe pasot kitem-i korunk to aiz meren raji asa. Ek missionar kos to dis rat konkani bhaxe pasot vavurta, mhaka disona amche modem tache sarke zaite asot xe. Konkani bhaxe vixim uloun to oxem sangta " Avoi bapaini apleam bhurgeank konkani bhaxen borounk ut'tejon diunk zai. Tannim vavrun konkani bhaxen borovp korunk goroz, borovp sam'manea lokank manvota ani somzota toxem asunk goroz. Oxe toren konkani bhas soglleank avddichi korunk zata. Konkani bhas amchi khori osmitai, zorui tor ti ami vibaddli zalear sogllem sandtellem." Bonaventure Pietro Babak sogllem borem ies anvddetam. Daniel F. de Souza. *** Daniel F. de Souza Konkani Writer & Freelance Journalist C/3, IInd Floor, Elvira Apts, Vasco - Goa 403 802 INDIA. Tel: + 91-832-2510714 Mob: 9822163329 e-mail :[EMAIL PROTECTED] :[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Re: WHAT ABOUT Doing it TO Goa - some folks got jooked? Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 08:07:52 + Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed George Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Sometimes, truth jooks! THIS is one of those times. It is (based upon George Pinto's position) OK to blame the US for something, but NOT our beloved Indya .. for the same thing ! Yep!Hail to the Bait & Switch Two-Tone thought process! Is this the same George Pinto who wrote thus A FEW HOURS AGO: SO.WHAT HAPPENED suddenly in a matter of just a few hours? Bravo George Bravo! jc please visit "NEW" on The Goan Forum at http://www.colaco.net Recommended Goa related sites 1. http://www.goa-world.com 2. http://www.SuperGoa.com _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.com/
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## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## >From: "domnic fernandes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: [Goanet]GOANS EXCEL AT TAEKWONDO! >Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 15:17:07 +0300 > >### ### ># If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # > # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/ ># # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others ># >### ### > >Our heartiest congratulations Cypriano Fernandes (Riyadh, KSA) on your >daughter's, LYSHA FERNANDES' success at the Taekwondo Championship Meet in >Lucknow. Our congratulations also go to other winners. They have all done >us Goans proud! > >Moi-mogan, >Domnic Fernandes >Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA Thanks a million Domnic. Chodd anink chodd Deu Borem korum. Tuzo mogall, Cypriano Fernandes (Riyadh, K.S.A.) "Disclaimer: The information in this email and in any files transmitted with it is intended only for the addressee and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorized. If you receive this in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from any computer. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited. Al-Rabie is a food manufacturing and distribution company; Proper verification is necessary before any actions could be taken based on the contents of this e-mail; Statements and opinions expressed in this e-mail are those of the sender, and do not necessarily reflect those of Al-Rabie."
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## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## On Mon, 27 Sep 2004, virginia sequeira wrote: Dear Sir, Seen your birthday greetings from 26th to 30th September. But for the earlier week did not see any greetings cause my daughter and son celebrated their birthdays on 19th and 20th September and no greetings were sent. Virginia Sometimes we slip up; we are only human. That's why we *do* need more volunteers to man and run this growing network. BTW, anyone wanting to record their birthdays (why not?) please get in touch with Vincente Fernandes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thanks! FN
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Dear Sir, Seen your birthday greetings from 26th to 30th September. But for the earlier week did not see any greetings cause my daughter and son celebrated their birthdays on 19th and 20th September and no greetings were sent. Virginia Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers!
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Dear Joel: Just a word of thanks for taking the trouble and providing us with the news from Goa -- gratis! Keep up the good work! Roy _ Watch LIVE baseball games on your computer with MLB.TV, included with MSN Premium! http://join.msn.com/?page=features/mlb&pgmarket=en-us/go/onm00200439ave/direct/01/ ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
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I am trying to contact Ivan Dcruz. Ivan was in Sydney /Australia, completing his studies, think over six years back now. Appreciate any information to be forwarded to myself at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cheers, Priya ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
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Dear Mr J Desouza My late mother Flavia Desouza was from Goa. I am trying to trace her family tree. Her mother's name - Delphina and father's Francis - they used to live in Nairobi too. How can I proceed? I live abroad in the Mediterranean. Will it be easier to contact the IHC in Portugal? Another subject : please help me find the name of the famous stamp collector from Goa. Thanks very much. C Buttigieg ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
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Hi, After a hurried visit to amche Goa, I am back to the place I love to be; in Dubai. On a visit to see a friend, was fortunate enough to meet our goanetter Adv. Aires Rodrigues. must say he is doing a fantastic job for the betterment of Goa. Working tirelessly from dawn to dusk. The second person i wanted to meet was our Jocular writer... Bab Cecil Pinto! Unfortunately the visit was short and just missed him. - Seb d'costa - HAVE A NICE DAY - ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
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ONE DAY SOCCER FESTIVAL BY CURTORCARES On 25th of this month which is the National Day of Kuwait, Curtorcares United Club under the presidency of well known Goan social worker and most popular citizen of Curtorim in Kuwait Salvador Dias, will organize their 8th Seven-A-Side soccer tournament. This is their annual event which draws lot of interest not only in participating teams but also in the spectators. The main sponsor of the tournament will be NGEECO SIEMENS and the team Curtorcares United is sponsored by SIEMENS MOBILE for the whole season 2003 2004. The total number of teams participating in this tournament will be 15 devided into two groups, Group A & Group B. Group A comprises Santos FC, Jain Hind, Bombay Boys B, Goa Maroons B, UG Strikers, United Friends Club and Curtorcares B while Group B consists of Goa Maroons A, CRC Chinchinim, Kerala Challengers, Navelim Youth Centre, Rising Stars, Bombay Boys A, Curtorcares United A and AVC Club. The first match of the tournament will begin at 07.45 A.M. and final will be approximately at 11 to 11.30 A.M. There will be lot of prizes for the winners and runners up and so also for good players and disciplined teams. As usual maintaining its traditional approach, Curtorcares United under Salvador Dias will make this event a most fabulous one for spectators and participants to remember it for long time. As an added attraction, special female compeer Miss Thracha Dmello also the citizen of Curtorim will come from Dubai. Miss DMello is a well-known female compeer in UAE and her attractive presence and female voice will surely give an extra glamour for this one day soccer festival organized by Curtorcares United. During the short break, Curtorcares United will also conduct its Raffle Draw. Speaking to this writer, the president of Curtorcares United, Mr. Salvador Dias on behalf of his managing committee request all the participating teams to be there at Sour Ground in time and welcomes all the soccer loving Goans for this one day festival. As a matter of interest Curtorcares United has recently won the UG organized tournament by beating the strong condenders Bombay Boys and a few days before during their visit to Dubai to participate in Goan Mini World Cup, Curtorcares United earned a very good name for their good performance. A. Veronica Fernandes, Kuwait. _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
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--- halur rasho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > RN, > Colaco is so blinkered that he cannot and will not > see > the transformation india is going through. It will > take a long time, maybe fifty to a hundred years, > but > when it happens, some young bharati women (i hope it > is a woman) will be running a company from india , > in > whose lisbon branch office, a younger version of > colaco, still blinkered, still muttering about the > damn third world bharatis, will be an applicant for > an > entry level job. Till then, we keep our heads down , > ignore all the insults of being third world coolies > and work hard. > > Hello rasho, Congratulations on your enlighting post about bharati woman. If you had only known that bharati woman are already making headways in emancipation. Recently one of them in chennai gave up her supposed to be husband for a bus driver who was attending the wedding. This was to seek revenge against the dowry taking by the original hubby to be. I guess things will change before 50 years if such incidents take place innit? B. Colaco ___ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
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RN, Colaco is so blinkered that he cannot and will not see the transformation india is going through. It will take a long time, maybe fifty to a hundred years, but when it happens, some young bharati women (i hope it is a woman) will be running a company from india , in whose lisbon branch office, a younger version of colaco, still blinkered, still muttering about the damn third world bharatis, will be an applicant for an entry level job. Till then, we keep our heads down , ignore all the insults of being third world coolies and work hard. > > Actually that's what I always do with bernado > colaco's blabbering, but your > posting forced me to take a look at it and was, as > usual, amused by the > sheer depth of his ignorance. > > He confidently proclaims that Rs 360 crore is more > than the annual budget of > many "bharati" states. I wonder which are those > states. He obviously thinks > India is still a basket case like portugal! > > Cheers, RKN > > _ > Think Marriage! Think BharatMatrimony.com > http://www.bharatmatrimony.com/cgi-bin/bmclicks1.cgi?74 > > > ## > # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > # > # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), > and avoid top-posts # > # More details on Goanet at > http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # > # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to > reflect respect to others # > ## __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
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(Cornel wrote: I'm afraid that if you insist on making very derogatory and highly prejudiced statements about my fellow Indians, I will simply delete your posts without a second glance. I am sure [EMAIL PROTECTED] expects higher standards from its participants. ) Dear Cornel, Actually that's what I always do with bernado colaco's blabbering, but your posting forced me to take a look at it and was, as usual, amused by the sheer depth of his ignorance. He confidently proclaims that Rs 360 crore is more than the annual budget of many "bharati" states. I wonder which are those states. He obviously thinks India is still a basket case like portugal! Cheers, RKN _ Think Marriage! Think BharatMatrimony.com http://www.bharatmatrimony.com/cgi-bin/bmclicks1.cgi?74 ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
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I apologize for sending this query perhaps to the wrong address but would really appreciate if you could forward it to the correct Contact. As I am planning a trip this year to Goa, I have no idea where to find out about this, can you by any chance advise me as to where I can find stores/shops/flea-markets that sell antiques? Have tried searching on some sites but did not find anything. Would really appreciate any help. Thanks a lot. _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
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Utou munis noxibak soth mandtat (Shallow men believe in luck) Moi-mogan, Domnic Fernandes Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
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"DRAGON FEST" AT DONA PAULA Last evening (February 14) journalist-event manager Ethel da Costa organised a superb festival of music "Dragon Fest" at the Dona Paula jetty on the occasion of Valentine's Day. The three bands performing there were Goa's Tidal Wave, Mumbai's Zero and US-based Dragon Fly. Check www.goacom.com at Audio-Video News for a clipping of the event. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
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Dear Filomena, You're, probably, more Spirit-filled in this letter then the Pope in not canonizing J. Vaz. Thank you for being so Spirit-filled and vocal! Arisoto Dear Fr. Peter, Everyone has a spin on the sainthood business. Yours is a very understanding and compassionate one toward those like Emilio and other Goans who feel that they have been cheated of a place in the Catholic Calendar of Saints, despite almost 500 years of devoted service for the Church, while other new nations have been given canonized saints who can hardly match the missionary service of our tiny Goan community. But you are misled on some important points about saint making. You write that Pope John Paul II has changed the face of the Church, canonized more saints, traveled more. You write that "the holy Spirit has power over bureaucracy" and if we are patient change will come, the lost files of Joseph Vaz will be found (incidentally, they aren't lost), and all will end well! 1. It is not Pope John Paul II or Paul VI or John XXIII who have suddenly and generously changed the Church to be less Eurocentric and more inclusive of the cultures she considered inferior for centuries - the fact of the matter is that the Church's attitudes to the colonial peoples had to change because of the Independence movement and the fact that the Europeans were no longer masters! It was then that Paul VI started to beatify natives of the Third World. It wasn't the Holy Spirit but a dictator of the Congo who told him that he was not going to host a Papal visit for Paul VI if he didn't beatify a native - and a beatification of a Congolese nun was produced instantly! If Goans had that kind of State backing, a Goan saint would have been made long ago. 2. Most of the saints canonized by Pope John Paul II are still European, not people of color. Your perception that this new saint making is benefiting us is incorrect. 3.You are mistaken that "the Holy Spirit has power over bureaucracy." Some say that the Holy Spirit is feminine, others that it is like a dove - whatever it is, it may have touched this or that, but it keeps missing Joseph Vaz and the Goans' desire for his canonization! The Holy Spirit may have enlightened the Vatican bureaucracy and the Pope, as you say, to canonize thousands of Martyrs during the Grand Jubilee of 2000: 126 Mexican Martyrs, 3000 Spanish Martyrs (including many Salesians), 120 Chinese Martyrs. As he had done in the case of Maximilien Kolbe, the Pope canonized them without a final miracle. Yet the Holy Spirit was not there for Joseph Vaz. We had found out that he qualified to be considered a Martyr under the laws of canonization because he had died under persecution. We petitioned that he be canonized as a Martyr for the Jubilee without the final miracle. Yes, said the Prefect of the Congregation for the Causes of the Saints, he did qualify as a Martyr. But even Martyrs need a final miracle and only the Pope can waive the final miracle - as the Pope refused our Petition (which we worked and sweated over for more than a year), we can only conclude that the Holy Spirit selectively did not inspire the bureaucracy about Joseph Vaz! All is done at the whim and fancy of a few in the Vatican, not because of a Holy Spirit. 4. As for your statement: . "We need to be more united in contributing towards the defraying the huge costs involved in the making of a saint." - My advice is to go the Protestant route: knock off the saint making, save the money, invest it in the infrastructure, in jobs, become a rich and successful community. Luther stopped all the money going to the Vatican, and the northern German states invested the money in themselves, became industrialized, powerful and rich. Now, THAT will get us Goans saints faster than anything - after all, Japan which has produced hardly any vocations or missionaries, but is powerful and rich, has more canonized saints than Goa or any other Asian country so far. So, while I do appreciate the fact that you at least recognize that there are Goans out there who are hurt by the Church's refusal to recognize even one Goan saint - instead of rationalizing the situation away as others on Goanet have done - I have to take a more pragmatic stand than your spiritual counsel of simply being patient. With thanks and sincere respect for your caring tone, Filomena ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
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--- Peter Gonsalves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear Emilo Dias, > I have received your article on the Vatican and > Racism. > > I do agree that there are many more saints from > Italy, Spain and Europe than > anywhere else in the world. ... > > In just 25 years, John Paul II has > changed the mentality of > the church of Jesus Christ from one that was very > Italian (or European) in > outlook to one that embraces the whole world. > > > For those who have eyes to see, the Holy Spirit is > changing the face of the > church - > > I can understand your anger at the slow process of > the canonisation of > Joseph Vaz, and I do feel it myself. > You have written about faith in Joseph Vaz with an > attitude that negates all > he ever stood for - faith in the Holy Spirit that > has power over > bureaucracy - something that exists in our sometimes > all too human church. > > >. We need to be more united in contributing > towards the defraying the > huge costs involved in the making of a saint. We need to keep hoping that his > documents, lost somewhere > in the thousands of files from a sea of one billion > believers that look > forward to the making of their own saints, may be > moved ahead so that > sometime soon, the whole church will have St. Joseph > Vaz. > > Peter Gonsalves, SDB > www.sdb.org Dear Fr. Peter, Everyone has a spin on the sainthood business. Yours is a very understanding and compassionate one toward those like Emilio and other Goans who feel that they have been cheated of a place in the Catholic Calendar of Saints, despite almost 500 years of devoted service for the Church, while other new nations have been given canonized saints who can hardly match the missionary service of our tiny Goan community. But you are misled on some important points about saint making. You write that Pope John Paul II has changed the face of the Church, canonized more saints, traveled more. You write that the holy Spirit has power over bureaucracy and if we are patient change will come, the lost files of Joseph Vaz will be found (incidentally, they arent lost), and all will end well! 1. It is not Pope John Paul II or Paul VI or John XXIII who have suddenly and generously changed the Church to be less Eurocentric and more inclusive of the cultures she considered inferior for centuries the fact of the matter is that the Churchs attitudes to the colonial peoples had to change because of the Independence movement and the fact that the Europeans were no longer masters! It was then that Paul VI started to beatify natives of the Third World. It wasnt the Holy Spirit but a dictator of the Congo who told him that he was not going to host a Papal visit for Paul VI if he didnt beatify a native and a beatification of a Congolese nun was produced instantly! If Goans had that kind of State backing, a Goan saint would have been made long ago. 2. Most of the saints canonized by Pope John Paul II are still European, not people of color. Your perception that this new saint making is benefiting us is incorrect. 3.You are mistaken that the Holy Spirit has power over bureaucracy. Some say that the Holy Spirit is feminine, others that it is like a dove whatever it is, it may have touched this or that, but it keeps missing Joseph Vaz and the Goans desire for his canonization! The Holy Spirit may have enlightened the Vatican bureaucracy and the Pope, as you say, to canonize thousands of Martyrs during the Grand Jubilee of 2000: 126 Mexican Martyrs, 3000 Spanish Martyrs (including many Salesians), 120 Chinese Martyrs. As he had done in the case of Maximilien Kolbe, the Pope canonized them without a final miracle. Yet the Holy Spirit was not there for Joseph Vaz. We had found out that he qualified to be considered a Martyr under the laws of canonization because he had died under persecution. We petitioned that he be canonized as a Martyr for the Jubilee without the final miracle. Yes, said the Prefect of the Congregation for the Causes of the Saints, he did qualify as a Martyr. But even Martyrs need a final miracle and only the Pope can waive the final miracle - as the Pope refused our Petition (which we worked and sweated over for more than a year), we can only conclude that the Holy Spirit selectively did not inspire the bureaucracy about Joseph Vaz! All is done at the whim and fancy of a few in the Vatican, not because of a Holy Spirit. 4. As for your statement: . We need to be more united in contributing towards the defraying the huge costs involved in the making of a saint. My advice is to go the Protestant route: knock off the saint making, save the money, invest it in the infrastructure, in jobs, become a rich and successful community. Luther stopped all the money going to the Vatican, and the northern German states invested the money in themselves, became industrialized, powerful and rich. Now, THAT will get us Goans saints faster than anything after all, Japan which has produced h
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Hello Peter, You've written an excellent reply to Emilio and others like him who have been angered by the Vatican. While I agree with your reasoning and sentiments, still, I have difficulty in understanding the human and divine processes at work at the Vatican. It is my opinion that as a human [imperfect]institution the Vatican, too, perpetuates some structures of sinfulness! Consequently, the faithful have many a reason to be angry with those structures and the Popes responsible for perpetuating them and have a right to express their rightful sentiments. May God's Holy Spirit, who transcends religions and religious affiliations, bestow upon us Her Light and Strength "where giving is infinite and forgiving is infinite." Ariosto Coelho ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
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From: "Peter Gonsalves" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet](no subject) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:07:32 +0100 Dear Emilo Dias, I have received your article on the Vatican and Racism. Will an Indian ever become a Pope? Never! Why? Cos he will not agree to being stripped naked in front of Cardinals, before the white smoke goes up. Why are popes stripped naked before, being declared Pope, (Ask ur Cardinal, if he will talk to u!). Emilo Joe Dias. The allegation is based on another rumoured Vatican gossip (there are tons of which) that an English woman, Joan, succeeded, under male disguise, in getting elected pope. Alfred _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
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Dear Emilo Dias, I have received your article on the Vatican and Racism. I do agree that there are many more saints from Italy, Spain and Europe than anywhere else in the world. The reason is because of their proximity and influence in church matters till barely 75 years ago - when the Vatican state was created, conceding power and prestige to the newly formed democracies all over Europe (cf. Lateran Pact of 1929) Metaphorically speaking, yes, there are more Italian saints than people attending Italian church services. Perhaps, you would be much nearer the mark if you said there are more Italian saints than there are Italian children! But a change has indeed occurred, which your brief article has not taken cognisance of. In just 25 years, John Paul II has changed the mentality of the church of Jesus Christ from one that was very Italian (or European) in outlook to one that embraces the whole world. He is responsible for the beatification and canonisation of more non-Italian saints than any other pope in history out of the 474 new saints he has canonised (474 new saints in all. Between 1588 and 1978, the total number of saints canonized was 296. source CNS). He has left the Vatican more than a hundred times to reach out to people all over the world and to make the public statement that the church of Jesus includes all peoples. His encyclicals and documents that embrace the world speak for themselves. For those who have eyes to see, the Holy Spirit is changing the face of the church - which means changing you and me and making us his people less prejudiced, less closed in on our cultures and our interests, less 'anti' and more 'pro' peoples wherever the are found... We need to be part of this 'wind-sweep' that is revolutionizing our narrow thinking... (Joseph Vaz left the konkan shores to serve a people of a different culture and disguised as one of those who we consider the lowest even today!) I can understand your anger at the slow process of the canonisation of Joseph Vaz, and I do feel it myself. But your article expresses more than just your anger it reveals, sadly, a type of irresponsible sensationalism that could well be accredited to anti-christian fundamentalistic diatribe. You have written about faith in Joseph Vaz with an attitude that negates all he ever stood for - faith in the Holy Spirit that has power over bureaucracy - something that exists in our sometimes all too human church. The truth is much more subtle and difficult to recognize as it is much more diffult to accept. If the church were perfect, Emelia, you and I would not belong! Let's stop the venom of divisive thinking. Now more than ever we need to be united in promoting the cause of Joseph Vaz with patience and solidarity with those who may not understand our urgency - even if they be at the Vatican. We need to be more united in contributing towards the defraying the huge costs involved in the making of a saint. We need to be united in praying for that one important miracle that will help Joseph Vaz make that leap to sainthood. We need to keep hoping that his documents, lost somewhere in the thousands of files from a sea of one billion believers that look forward to the making of their own saints, may be moved ahead so that sometime soon, the whole church will have St. Joseph Vaz. Peter Gonsalves, SDB www.sdb.org ___ Hi Goanetters, Indian and African priests treated as doormats? who said that! A doormat will always be a doormat. As they say in Indian Culture, beating a donkey will not make it a horse. In the same way, if the Indian priests in Rome are not going to fight for us from the inside, then we have to fight from the outside. Fr Agnelo and Pr Jose Vaz has given us faith and Filomena says 'stop it ', NO we can't. and we will not, Those who tell us to stop, HAVE THEY READ THE LIFE OF Fr JOSE VAZ? Lobbying the Vatican is not going to help. Sri Lankas and Goans should boycot the church. (which will never happen I know - just a thought). That will soon make the Vatican make a U turn. Look at Europe, the pews are empty, churches are turned into Taverns, but the saints are full, they are every where and more and more white saints are created WHY? No money coming in. There are so many white saints they THEY are now praying to the people to fill the pews in chuches. 39 Married Popes. Julius the third collected a Male prostitute from the street and mad him a Cardinal. Pious the III and Inocent the VI having illegitimate Children. Just to mention a few, of the atrocities. Vatican Stincks. There was a time when only Italians could become a Pope. Pio who was refused priesthood cos he was a dim witt who put acid on his hands to immitate Jesus is made a Saint, ITALIAN! Will an Indian ever become a Pope? Never! Why? Cos he will not agree to being stripped naked in front of Cardinals, before the white smoke goes up. Why are popes stripped naked before, being declared
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The rising of the 'FUKATVADDO' in Moira. The story goes back to many setting suns, infact during the rule of Dayanand Bandodkar, probably after or before the Opinion Poll. An invitation was sent to the then esteemed 'el presidente' of the Moira communidade to visit the Lion's den in the Secretariat, Panjim (the concerned 'el presidente' is still up and kicking). The el presidente, to use true konk'ni, "kolsavant mutlo" on receipt of such a great invite. Sitting at the great desk and sharing a cup of tea with the Lion was a pleasure and distinction for the el presidente, that he readily agreed to the Lion's 20 point programme on the prime hill slope of Moira. Neither did he bother to cheque the boundaries of the plot to be given or how was was given. He just signed the papers. That done, the Lion took the whole slope of prime land and turned it into a veritable slum. If one visits this monstrosity, one half hazzardly built house is facing the sulab toilet of the other etc. And no one has the clue as to the excess roads to these houses. One good thing that has happened to this area is that a Kanadiga businessman has set up his house and his cement grill/tiles factory. This man is also the panchayat's member and has been the ex-sarpanch and renders some respectability to this habitation. I am, in no way, against the 20 point programme. But it could have been a planned programe instead of turning prime lands into virtual slums. Floriano - Original Message - From: Teotonio R. de Souza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Goa Research Net <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 2:32 PM Subject: [Goanet](no subject) > Dear Simon, > > You have provided most interesting data. That is the kind of information we > need in order to have a more pointed and useful discussion on goanet > /goa-research-net. Would you be able to confirm the following doubts I have? > > (1) How many Kannadigas would there be in Sancoale and when did they come? > What are their occupations and what language do they speak? > > (2) Which other villages have majority Kannadigas as panchayat members in > Goa? > > (3) Utilizing community land for housing immigrants was part of 20-point > programme of Rajiv Gandhi? I remember Moirá having a new ward of > non-Christians from outsiders (probably not all Kannadigas in this case) > next to its Church. If I am not mistaken the old Moidekars even called it > *Fukatvaddo*! Floriano could enlighten us on that phenomenon. Are there > Kannadiga wards in Sancoale? > > (4) What is the meaning of "illegal" immigrant in Goa? Doesn't Indian > Constitution give right to any Indian from any part of India to settle in > any other part of India? An old Portuguese chronicle of the 16th century > traces the origin of most Goans to Kannadigas! > Thank you. > > Teotonio R. de Souza > > From: Simon carvalho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > The migrants are already in majority in some villages in Goa. Sancoale is > one. Six members of the village panchayat are migrant Kannadigas. The > Sarpanch and Dy. Sarpanch of the village panchayat are Kannadigas. Their > population has outnumbered the locals. Don't be surprised if one of the > political parties field a migrant in Cortalim Constituency for the Assembly > elections next time. Credit for this should go to the Congress Party which > allowed the migrants to construct thousands of illegal houses in the > Communidade land. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
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Please wait for few days. I am trying to e-mail the names of all the migrants in Sancoale village listed on the election roll. Now Sancoale village is unofficially bifurcated. Alto Sancoale is called/named Zuarinagar and this is the part occupied by the migrants. I have mistakenly called them illegal migrants. What I wanted to say is, migrants living in illegal houses. Simon > Dear Simon, > > You have provided most interesting data. That is the kind of information we > need in order to have a more pointed and useful discussion on goanet > /goa-research-net. Would you be able to confirm the following doubts I have? > > (1) How many Kannadigas would there be in Sancoale and when did they come? > What are their occupations and what language do they speak? > > (2) Which other villages have majority Kannadigas as panchayat members in > Goa? > > (3) Utilizing community land for housing immigrants was part of 20-point > programme of Rajiv Gandhi? I remember Moirá having a new ward of > non-Christians from outsiders (probably not all Kannadigas in this case) > next to its Church. If I am not mistaken the old Moidekars even called it > *Fukatvaddo*! Floriano could enlighten us on that phenomenon. Are there > Kannadiga wards in Sancoale? > > (4) What is the meaning of "illegal" immigrant in Goa? Doesn't Indian > Constitution give right to any Indian from any part of India to settle in > any other part of India? An old Portuguese chronicle of the 16th century > traces the origin of most Goans to Kannadigas! > > > > Thank you. > > Teotonio R. de Souza > > > > > > From: Simon carvalho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > The migrants are already in majority in some villages in Goa. Sancoale is > one. Six members of the village panchayat are migrant Kannadigas. The > Sarpanch and Dy. Sarpanch of the village panchayat are Kannadigas. Their > population has outnumbered the locals. Don't be surprised if one of the > political parties field a migrant in Cortalim Constituency for the Assembly > elections next time. Credit for this should go to the Congress Party which > allowed the migrants to construct thousands of illegal houses in the > Communidade land. > > > > > ## > # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # > # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # > # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # > # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # > ## ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
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Dear Simon, You have provided most interesting data. That is the kind of information we need in order to have a more pointed and useful discussion on goanet /goa-research-net. Would you be able to confirm the following doubts I have? (1) How many Kannadigas would there be in Sancoale and when did they come? What are their occupations and what language do they speak? (2) Which other villages have majority Kannadigas as panchayat members in Goa? (3) Utilizing community land for housing immigrants was part of 20-point programme of Rajiv Gandhi? I remember Moirá having a new ward of non-Christians from outsiders (probably not all Kannadigas in this case) next to its Church. If I am not mistaken the old Moidekars even called it *Fukatvaddo*! Floriano could enlighten us on that phenomenon. Are there Kannadiga wards in Sancoale? (4) What is the meaning of "illegal" immigrant in Goa? Doesn't Indian Constitution give right to any Indian from any part of India to settle in any other part of India? An old Portuguese chronicle of the 16th century traces the origin of most Goans to Kannadigas! Thank you. Teotonio R. de Souza From: Simon carvalho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The migrants are already in majority in some villages in Goa. Sancoale is one. Six members of the village panchayat are migrant Kannadigas. The Sarpanch and Dy. Sarpanch of the village panchayat are Kannadigas. Their population has outnumbered the locals. Don't be surprised if one of the political parties field a migrant in Cortalim Constituency for the Assembly elections next time. Credit for this should go to the Congress Party which allowed the migrants to construct thousands of illegal houses in the Communidade land. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
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Goanet next meets in Goa: January 7, 4 pm (meeting point: Kala Academy canteen). Goanet founder Herman Carneiro will be there. See you there! -- Frederick, I expected a reply in good faith but received nothing to date. Cornel - Original Message - From: "Frederick Noronha (FN)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 6:27 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet](no subject) > Goanet next meets in Goa: January 7, 4 pm (meeting point: Kala Academy canteen). Goanet founder Herman Carneiro will be there. See you there! > -- > > On Fri, 2 Jan 2004, Cornel DaCosta wrote: > > > Many thanks Bernado. But how exactly was your uncle and your family forced > > to leave Goa?. Please help with more specific detail and I hope others might > > also assist with this enquiry. > > Thanks again, > > Cornel > > Hi Cornel, Did you get an answer on this? FN > > ## > # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # > # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # > # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # > # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # > ## > ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
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Goanet next meets in Goa: January 7, 4 pm (meeting point: Kala Academy canteen). Goanet founder Herman Carneiro will be there. See you there! -- Frederick, No! Not yet. Am waiting! Cornel - Original Message - From: "Frederick Noronha (FN)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 6:27 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet](no subject) > Goanet next meets in Goa: January 7, 4 pm (meeting point: Kala Academy canteen). Goanet founder Herman Carneiro will be there. See you there! > -- > > On Fri, 2 Jan 2004, Cornel DaCosta wrote: > > > Many thanks Bernado. But how exactly was your uncle and your family forced > > to leave Goa?. Please help with more specific detail and I hope others might > > also assist with this enquiry. > > Thanks again, > > Cornel > > Hi Cornel, Did you get an answer on this? FN > > ## > # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # > # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # > # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # > # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # > ## > ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
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Goanet next meets in Goa: January 7, 4 pm (meeting point: Kala Academy canteen). Goanet founder Herman Carneiro will be there. See you there! -- On Fri, 2 Jan 2004, Cornel DaCosta wrote: > Many thanks Bernado. But how exactly was your uncle and your family forced > to leave Goa?. Please help with more specific detail and I hope others might > also assist with this enquiry. > Thanks again, > Cornel Hi Cornel, Did you get an answer on this? FN ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
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Goanet next meets in Goa: January 7, 4 pm (meeting point: Kala Academy canteen). Goanet founder Herman Carneiro will be there. See you there! -- Dear Sir/Madam, Could you please insert the following advertisement in your matrimonial column: Parents of well educated Goan Catholic Spinster,35, 5'8", slim,fair, attractive, green-card holder, good family background, invite correspondence from professionals with similar background and moral values.Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you, Mrs. A. Lobo _ Make your home warm and cozy this winter with tips from MSN House & Home. http://special.msn.com/home/warmhome.armx ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
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Goanet next meets in Goa: January 7, 4 pm (meeting point: Kala Academy canteen). Goanet founder Herman Carneiro will be there. See you there! -- And, BOADITA From: Ereen P Colaco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> How about Do Rosario. Haven't seen it on the list. _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
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Goanet next meets in Goa: January 7, 4 pm (meeting point: Kala Academy canteen). Goanet founder Herman Carneiro will be there. See you there! -- Bernado, Many thanks. Mine was a general enquiry really, as such info is new to me. Cornel - Original Message - From: "Bernado Colaco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 4:21 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet](no subject) > Goanet next meets in Goa: January 7, 4 pm (meeting point: Kala Academy canteen). Goanet founder Herman Carneiro will be there. See you there! > -- > > > > > > Many thanks Bernado. But how exactly was your uncle > > and your family forced > > to leave Goa?. Please help with more specific detail > > and I hope others might > > also assist with this enquiry. > > Thanks again, > > Cornel > > > Dear Cornel, > > I am not to sure how others might assist with this > enquiry. What I can say is that my uncle was deported > from Bombaim by the kick of the sacred Nehru cow > (1960). I was told that the news made headlines in the > TOI. "Blue eyes Portuguese spies arrested" - something > of this nature. Incidentally it was a Goan who made > the complaint, possibly a bharati mole. > > > > > Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" > your friends today! Download Messenger Now > http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html > > ## > # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # > # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # > # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # > # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # > ## > ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
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Goanet next meets in Goa: January 7, 4 pm (meeting point: Kala Academy canteen). Goanet founder Herman Carneiro will be there. See you there! -- How about Dos Remedios? I once came across a family with that surname. Cornel - Original Message - From: "Ereen P Colaco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 6:46 AM Subject: [Goanet](no subject) > Goanet next meets in Goa: January 7, 4 pm (meeting point: Kala Academy canteen). Goanet founder Herman Carneiro will be there. See you there! > -- > > > > How about Do Rosario. Haven't seen it on the list. > > __ > Get Paid... With Your Free Email at > http://www.zwallet.com/index.html?user=ecol5 > > ## > # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # > # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # > # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # > # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # > ## > ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
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Goanet next meets in Goa: January 7, 4 pm (meeting point: Kala Academy canteen). Goanet founder Herman Carneiro will be there. See you there! -- How about Do Rosario. Haven't seen it on the list. __ Get Paid... With Your Free Email at http://www.zwallet.com/index.html?user=ecol5 ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
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Goanet next meets in Goa: January 7, 4 pm (meeting point: Kala Academy canteen). Goanet founder Herman Carneiro will be there. See you there! -- > > Many thanks Bernado. But how exactly was your uncle > and your family forced > to leave Goa?. Please help with more specific detail > and I hope others might > also assist with this enquiry. > Thanks again, > Cornel Dear Cornel, I am not to sure how others might assist with this enquiry. What I can say is that my uncle was deported from Bombaim by the kick of the sacred Nehru cow (1960). I was told that the news made headlines in the TOI. "Blue eyes Portuguese spies arrested" - something of this nature. Incidentally it was a Goan who made the complaint, possibly a bharati mole. Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
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Goanet next meets in Goa: January 7, 4 pm (meeting point: Kala Academy canteen). Goanet founder Herman Carneiro will be there. See you there! -- Many thanks Bernado. But how exactly was your uncle and your family forced to leave Goa?. Please help with more specific detail and I hope others might also assist with this enquiry. Thanks again, Cornel - Original Message - From: "Bernado Colaco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 4:30 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet](no subject) > Goanet next meets in Goa: January 7, 4 pm (meeting point: Kala Academy canteen). Goanet founder Herman Carneiro will be there. See you there! > -- > > > > > > Frederick, > > Re info below, I wonder if you can fill me in on > > whether it is true that > > India expelled some pro-Portuguese people from Goa > > at the time of > > Liberation? > > Thanks, > > Cornel > > > Jose Lourenko uncle Leo Lourenko was forced to leave > the sub- continent for writing a book Nehru Invades > Goa! So was my family for singing songs in Portuguese > during a party, accused of being spies! > > Colaco > > > Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" > your friends today! Download Messenger Now > http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html > > ## > # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # > # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # > # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # > # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # > ## > ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
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Goanet next meets in Goa: January 7, 4 pm (meeting point: Kala Academy canteen). Goanet founder Herman Carneiro will be there. See you there! -- > > Frederick, > Re info below, I wonder if you can fill me in on > whether it is true that > India expelled some pro-Portuguese people from Goa > at the time of > Liberation? > Thanks, > Cornel Jose Lourenko uncle Leo Lourenko was forced to leave the sub- continent for writing a book Nehru Invades Goa! So was my family for singing songs in Portuguese during a party, accused of being spies! Colaco Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
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Goanet next meets in Goa: January 7, 4 pm (meeting point: Kala Academy canteen). Goanet founder Herman Carneiro will be there. See you there! -- Frederick, Re info below, I wonder if you can fill me in on whether it is true that India expelled some pro-Portuguese people from Goa at the time of Liberation? Thanks, Cornel - Original Message - From: "Frederick Noronha (FN)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 7:12 AM Subject: [Goanet](no subject) > Goanet next meets in Goa: January 7, 4 pm (meeting point: Kala Academy canteen). Goanet founder Herman Carneiro will be there. See you there! > -- > > >From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Dec 31 12:17:55 2003 > >factors. In the case of Goans incidentally, Hindu > >Goans were persecuted and went into exile under the > >Portuguese Inquisition. > > --- > >From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Dec 31 12:17:59 2003 > >Thanks to Teo for the above link. In regard to Goans > >living overseas and especially soon after the invasion > >of Goa in 1961 I wonder what would be the category. > >Diaspora? Expats? Migrats? > >Colaco > > The repeated selective rendering of facts could lead to a dangerous > situation where a section of the population feels only it it was > discriminated against, and justify their own aggression or intolerance > towards others. > > Historians could correct me on this: > > Contarary to colonial-influenced renderings of Indian history, the > periods of the past cannot be neatly divided into eras on the basis of > the religion of the rulers. It is unlikely that people saw themselves as > "Hindus" as is now categorised. There were other mass migrations out of > Goa even prior to those fuelled by the religious-based intolerance of the > Portuguese. > > Likewise, a whole lot of Goans -- surely there would be some from many of > our families -- migrated out of Goa in the pre-"invasion/liberation" > period prior to 1961. In Bardez, economic pressures and famine lead to > large-scale migration around the 1920s, when the kind and efficient > Portuguese ruled over this part of the globe. > > Religion isn't the only, or even the main, reason for people to migrate > out of Goa. If at all, it has played a minor part. The migration of Goan > Christians in Portuguese colonial times itself to places like Mangalore > and other parts of the Canara coast is something that we perhaps need to > understand better. > > Identity is a very complex issue. Yours and mine are varied, and defined > by gender, skin-colour, ethnicity, caste, nationality, age, economic > class, and more. Why should religious identities take precedence over all > other? FN > > ## > # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # > # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # > # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # > # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # > ## > ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
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Goanet next meets in Goa: January 7, 4 pm (meeting point: Kala Academy canteen). Goanet founder Herman Carneiro will be there. See you there! -- >From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Dec 31 12:17:55 2003 >factors. In the case of Goans incidentally, Hindu >Goans were persecuted and went into exile under the >Portuguese Inquisition. --- >From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Dec 31 12:17:59 2003 >Thanks to Teo for the above link. In regard to Goans >living overseas and especially soon after the invasion >of Goa in 1961 I wonder what would be the category. >Diaspora? Expats? Migrats? >Colaco The repeated selective rendering of facts could lead to a dangerous situation where a section of the population feels only it it was discriminated against, and justify their own aggression or intolerance towards others. Historians could correct me on this: Contarary to colonial-influenced renderings of Indian history, the periods of the past cannot be neatly divided into eras on the basis of the religion of the rulers. It is unlikely that people saw themselves as "Hindus" as is now categorised. There were other mass migrations out of Goa even prior to those fuelled by the religious-based intolerance of the Portuguese. Likewise, a whole lot of Goans -- surely there would be some from many of our families -- migrated out of Goa in the pre-"invasion/liberation" period prior to 1961. In Bardez, economic pressures and famine lead to large-scale migration around the 1920s, when the kind and efficient Portuguese ruled over this part of the globe. Religion isn't the only, or even the main, reason for people to migrate out of Goa. If at all, it has played a minor part. The migration of Goan Christians in Portuguese colonial times itself to places like Mangalore and other parts of the Canara coast is something that we perhaps need to understand better. Identity is a very complex issue. Yours and mine are varied, and defined by gender, skin-colour, ethnicity, caste, nationality, age, economic class, and more. Why should religious identities take precedence over all other? FN ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
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Goanet next meets in Goa: January 7, 4 pm (meeting point: Kala Academy canteen). Goanet founder Herman Carneiro will be there. See you there! -- Dear Jorge, I forgot to note that you were trying to point out to my typo, 1991 instead of 1891. I had already corrected it in a posting of the same day, but you may have missed it. Teotonio From: "Jorge/Livia de Abreu Noronha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Goanet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Goa Research Net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Goanet]Re: Manuel Antonio de Sousa Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 19:45:35 +0100 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Dr. Teotonio, In your first post you gave 1991 as the year of Manuel Antonio de Sousa's death. Is this really the year which is Jose Capela's book? Or ... was it perhaps 1891(as against 1904 registered by Clement Vaz)? Is Capela's book "Donas, Senhores e Escravos" available for sale in Lisbon? ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
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Goanet next meets in Goa: January 7, 4 pm (meeting point: Kala Academy canteen). Goanet founder Herman Carneiro will be there. See you there! -- Hi all non-resident Goan friends This is something for all of you to spare a thought. Regards and Best wishes for 2004. Tony Driving Aged Parents To Insanity This is a true story of an NRI. Alberto (name changed) lives in London with wife and kids. He owns a posh holiday home in a posh locality in Goa. His father died when he was a toddler. His mother brought him up. He obviously knows it. So it was natural for him to feel for his mother (now 90 plus) who lives in Goa. But Alberto is henpecked. Albertos mother falls sick on and off, gets hysterical often, throws tantrums and abuses her daughter in whose house she lives. Her daughter i.e. Albertos sister is a close-to-sixty widow. She was widowed 22 years back. Thanks to her husband she is still self-reliant and can take care of her basic needs. But she is suffering from blood pressure. Alberto is in Goa on vacation with his wife. His sister tells him: I am not keeping well. Mothers physical and mental condition is not too good. So it is becoming increasingly difficult for me to manage things. Just one more year after that Ill get her admitted in a home for the aged, Alberto pleads. He tells the same thing every year he is down in Goa on a holiday. All right the sister concedes. But mother will need a helping hand. Ill take care of that. Alberto agrees rather reluctantly. On the appointed date and time Alberto comes with his wife to negotiate with the prospective maidservant for his mother. The servant says she will settle for a sum of Rs. 800/- a month. Alberto steals a quick glance towards his wife and freezes. Rs 800/- is too much! his wife exclaims. We will pay you Rs. 500. Thats the final word. Henpecked Alberto plays dumb. The maidservant does not budge. Albertos wife refuses the fortune of an additional Rs 300/- for the servant. The servant leaves. Alberto again manages to sweet-talk his sister and leaves too. Back to London. Back to square one. Perhaps hoping that very soon some day his mother will kick the bucket. A mother gives a certain grace and dignity to the family. To Alberto and his wife she is simply an inconvenience, a burden best dumped on somebody elses already sagging shoulders. For the record Albertos wife is not British, she is a Goan, a modern Goan. And modern as I understand it are those who have shaken themselves free of old family values. Unfortunately, today the strong family bond and the treasured Goan values mean very little or nothing. Alberto and his wife are not an exception as can be seen from the fact that the aged and the destitute homes are flooding with Grandpas and Grandmas while their prosperous children are celebrating life in Europe and the Americas. Ironically, beggars who should deservingly be in the destitute homes are flooding on the streets making a nuisance of themselves before weary people in the bus, at the bus stop, on the footpath. They are just about everywhere. And who can blame them? Our government should make necessary provision for more destitute homes and work out something to use the army of beggars productively. Our cops, whose efficiency is well known in other matters, would do well to round up the beggars and house them in destitute homes. As things stand the government could also consider setting up aged homes for the Posh with all recreational and other amenities and required infrastructure. That way a substantial amount of revenue could be generated for the cash strapped state. On second thoughts, come to think of it, people who bicker over paying Rs. 800/- for a maidservant are unlikely to fork out big sums over parents who mean nothing more than an inconvenience. But then all children are not Albertos and all Albertos are not henpecked. Besides, affluent people will be too willing even to pay a big price to rid of a big inconvenience as long as they cannot help it. It is unfortunate that the dignity and grace of our elders should be lost in the strong materialistic currents that are shaking the very foundations of our cherished value system. Perhaps Principal Bhaskar Nayak was right when he said: In todays society parents who expect gratitude from their children will only get disappointment. Looks like it is the truth. After all who could have imagined that a son who was brought up by a widowed mother would deny the luxury of a maidservant to her in the winter of her life. Only for having to shell out an additional Rs. 300. Are we getting so ethically bankrupt? Or is it that the heart in our chests beats only for money, money and more money. From Tony Martin's Naked Goa *** Those who neglect their social duties for their individual life fall in darkness. Isha Upanishad __
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Sanjay, Are you checking this mail. Kris --- Sanjay Alberto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Friends! > > Greetings from Goa! > > Here's wishing you all VIVA CARNAVAL!!! guess its > the right start to the mood of celebrations with > India's huge victory against Pakistan... > > Just uploaded some pictures of the Carnival Floats > held in panjim this afternoon..to have a view at > them please log on to my picture website > http://photos.yahoo.com/sanjay_alberto and select > the album VIVA CARNIVAL > > > have a great weekend > > cheers > sanjay > == > The more you learn, the more you know, > The more you know, the more you forget, > The more you forget, the less you know, > So.why learn > = Regards Kris 1 941 755 4596 (H) ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
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Ek dis oxem godlem, Moji potin amchea lhan babak gheun rostea voilean passar zatali. Tedna babdi ek mhatari xettin(goldsmith) tika meuli ani tinnen moje potinik vincharlem, Xettin - Ago bai heche naum kitem theilai go? Moji potin - teche naum Donato dovorla ge aai (mother) tedna xettin somzoli, xettin - Konn nanato (name of a small snake), Ho ani khuincho nanato tor? tedna moje potinin tica somzaun sangle. moji potin - Aai, teche naum nanato nhoi ge, teche naum Donato--Do-na-to. Atanchea tempar lok tonnak eta tosli let-fat navam dovortat, dekun amchea mhatareanchea tonnak einan, kiteak chod korun babdi amchi mhatari xikonknan. Dekun konai sovem oxem ghodot zalear tennin tancho rag dhorcho nhoi, punn mogan somzaunche, oxem moje magnnem. Tumcho apurbaiecho, Johnny de Marna, kingdom of Bahrain. _ Access Hotmail from your mobile now. http://server1.msn.co.in/sp03/mobilesms/ Click here. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
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Just back from the grand final of the 25th Goan Inter-Village tournament at the Iranian Sports Club. I was expecting more fireworks from ABC Benaulim. Anyway, it had to end in a tie-breaker. AVC too displayed some good skills. I can say that ABC Benaulim were deserving champions this year, although it was another disheartening year for the AVC - still searching for their maiden championship title after being the only team to participate all the 25 years. The echoes of ooohs and aaahs, the drums beating, the applauses are still ringing in my head. This was my first tournament in Dubai, although Ive been here for seven years and I have no excuse for not being there earlier. It is an achievement of something to be proud of as Goans that the football spirit which was started some 25 years back here is still running and getting stronger each year. But what confirms more of my belief that Football is in the blood of Goans is the presence of toddlers, kids, ladies and gents present at the stadium. It was a sight to see the Iranian Club grounds almost full despite the wintry weather. The souvenir provided by the organizers on the Silver anniversary helped me in catching up a bit with the past, especially the photographs of the oldies in their Beatles style was nostalgic. Another Goan football tournament came to an end in Dubai today. I am not sure what to comment on the success of this tournament, because it will depend on what criteria, success needs to be measured against. Is the amount of profit the organizers (Goan Cultural Society) have made, or is it based on the opportunity (platform) provided by the organizers for the display of the talents of GOANS. If it is the latter, then I will think thrice before I vote after what I wrote in my first attempt. It was a great pleasure to see young and old players display their skills and to confirm that football is associated with us Goans right from the day we are formed as a cell. Nice to see teams from all over Goa (at least the names they choose indicated so) participate. As they say each person is different so was the case with the teams that participated, they had their own approach towards the tourney. Some teams played in for the love of football (no matter even if they were drubbed throughout). Some teams played as winning the No.1 spot a must (who were probably disheartened after the surprising quarterfinal results). And kudos to those teams who played with a perfect understanding within themselves what result to put on board instead of showing their football and sportsmanship skills (wish we Goans could show that same understanding when it comes to uniting and standing for what we are, instead of in-fighting). A few managers did rise up from their sleep this tourney when it came to the point of justification done by the organizers for the usage of the word Goan Tourney and the non-Goans who have crept into the tourney. I am not sure what made them fall back to their sleep (probably the love for football held them back from quitting from the tourney for which the organizers should be grateful to these managers for making their 25th attempt a success in some way). And I would not expect anything from those few hundred people watching the matches showing their disgust for the same by chatting on the stands (One of the most important character we are strong in). So whats next? What happens to the issue that was raised by a few true Goans (and some special ones who stood for it). Put it in the trash bin and just forget about it? I know for sure many more tournaments (organized by the GCS or others) under the name of Goa will come and go, but nothing will be done about this long pending issue. I dont expect the soccer loving managers also to take any further step, So the only people who can set this right are the Organizers themselves. It is their hand to give 100% justice to the tournaments organized by them as Goan Tournaments. It is up to them to have a blood transfusion again and give life to the Goan tournaments. What do you as a Goan think about it? You want to just sit there back and talk about it, rather than act upon it. A time will come when we will be thrown out of our own land (and I dont see happening too far from now, when I read about Goan-Malyalee organizations, Goan-Mangalorian organizations etc taking the front pages in the Goan newspapers. When I hear about all the land is bought by people from all over India. When I go to any government offices and see the name plates as Rao etc instead of Fernandes or Dessai etc) And why shouldnt this take place, when we are too busy fighting among ourselves deciding which is our official language, brothers deciding which plot should they claim from their ancestral land, politicians busy planning whats the next step they should take to fill they personal coffers, all governments employees busy planning what excuse to give next
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goans over seas should be given the right to vote and names should not be struck from the list as we are still indians first and then goans by birth and we have every right to vote if not the gover ment should give enough jobs for us to stay back we love goa but by loveing goa it does not put food in our mouth and our kids id cards issued should have at least one goan who can spell our names correctely as we are having a lot of complains which was the case when non goans were asked to put our names for land survey and did amess of it all till now goans are suffering for it please put my view forward as its not mine alone but also of manny of my nongoans friends thanks henry pinto salem salvador-du-mundu __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
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Hi, Could you let me know the site from where I can download Konkani ringtones. Louis _ Access Hotmail from your mobile now. http://server1.msn.co.in/sp03/mobilesms/ Click here. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
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Lucky you, Sarabond, I would have wanted to watch the Afro-Asian Games through out, more so the closing ceremony. BUT!... However, I did get to see the clip on the opening ceremony and the Advani address. At one point Advani made a very bold statement, and, I'm sure, he expected a deafening applause, atleast from the dignitaries on the stage. NOTHING HAPPENED. As if he could not believe his ears, Advani repeated the line again. But, to his chagrin, NOTHING HAPPENED. A TOTAL DEAD SILENCE. He looked left right and center and continued with an acid smile on his face. "" AZ EH SAAB DEKNE-SE EISA LAGATA HAI KI "KAMAL" KHUL GAYA HAI. "" No doubt, Advani sees saffron kamals everywhere, where most do not. Coming back to "Playing with fire" are we not the AGNI people??? Regards floriano - Original Message - From: sarabond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 1:42 AM Subject: [Goanet](no subject) > I was watching the closing ceremony of the just concluded Afro-Asian > Games-2003 at Hydreabad, last weekend. > And the conclusion I came to is 'India is the only country that plays with > FIRE'. > The closing function started with the Mashal Dance which had hundreds of > young & old dancing at the stadium to a rhythmic beats. Some had fire in the > hands, some had it on their heads and some were blowing fire from mouths. > > Besides these games... India does play with fire. > They burn wives for dowry. > They burn brothers in the name of Religion. > At the end of any cricket game -you'll see burning of Cards/plastic bottles > in the stadiums. > And then, (Sacred ?) fire for the final rituals of a dead body. > Any more could be added by you (let the list grow) !! > > Besides the fire ...i.e. Pakistan, India indeed plays with fire!! > > - Alfonso Bond Braganza >Mapusa Goa. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
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I was watching the closing ceremony of the just concluded Afro-Asian Games-2003 at Hydreabad, last weekend. And the conclusion I came to is 'India is the only country that plays with FIRE'. The closing function started with the Mashal Dance which had hundreds of young & old dancing at the stadium to a rhythmic beats. Some had fire in the hands, some had it on their heads and some were blowing fire from mouths. Besides these games... India does play with fire. They burn wives for dowry. They burn brothers in the name of Religion. At the end of any cricket game -you'll see burning of Cards/plastic bottles in the stadiums. And then, (Sacred ?) fire for the final rituals of a dead body. Any more could be added by you (let the list grow) !! Besides the fire ...i.e. Pakistan, India indeed plays with fire!! - Alfonso Bond Braganza Mapusa Goa. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
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ADIM eka cheddvan athik ghaltoch chuddo Vokol mhunnon pachartolo soglo vaddo ATAM vokol mhunon kolloch nam Karann vokol athik chuddo galich nam Regards, Cypriano (Riyadh, KSA) ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
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The U.K. Govt is to allow people, who study Science in this Country, to continue to live and work after their Graduation. The link below is an interesting article of an Indian Governor of the London School of Economics. http://www.rediff.com/money/2003/nov/01guest.htm Cheers, Gabe Menezes. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
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Los Angeles Times Sunday, October 26, 2003 Fine Art of Politicking, Sistine-Style Four 'parties' will shape the next papal election. By John L. Allen Jr. When Pope John Paul II created 30 new cardinals last Tuesday, many observers regarded it as the ailing pontiff's last chance to shape the group of men who will elect his successor. Though no one knows how much time John Paul II has left — and this is a man with a history of outliving predictions of his demise — there's a sense that the campaign season for choosing his successor has begun. The race for the papacy is unlike secular politics. There are no bumper stickers or posters, no campaign platforms, no polls or focus groups, no candidate debates. Balloting is held not in a voting booth but a "conclave." The term is built from the Latin phrase "with a key," referring to the fact that cardinals are locked behind closed doors in the Sistine Chapel. If the election were held today, the electorate would be a group of 135 men who range in age from 51 to 79 (a cardinal has to be under 80 to participate), with roughly half from Europe, just under a third from Latin America and the rest evenly divided among Africa, Asia and North America. Although John Paul has appointed all but five of the cardinals eligible to choose his successor, he has not stacked the deck — not everyone in the College of Cardinals shares his theological or political agenda. In fact, there are at least four identifiable "parties," or bodies of opinion, and the jockeying among them will shape the politics of the next papal election. They are: The Border Patrol. Doctrinal conservatives bent on policing the theological boundaries between the Roman Catholic Church and the rest of the world. For example, this group has reservations about interfaith dialogues, which lead to suggestions that Catholicism is just one valid choice among others. The Reform Party. Moderate-to-progressive cardinals interested in continuing the internal church reforms of the Second Vatican Council (1962-65), such as decentralization of power and the promotion of the laity. The Social Justice Party. Cardinals whose passion lies outside the church in issues such as debt relief, war and peace, and the struggle to "humanize" globalization. The Integralists. Cardinals who want to see civil law based on church teaching (especially on issues such as abortion and reproductive technology) and who want state funding for church operations. Italy, where the church enjoys substantial state support and an informal veto over social policy, is one model. None of these interest groups enjoys a two-thirds majority, which means that no one of them can force an election of a pope on its own. (The rules allow the cardinals to elect a pope with a simple majority after roughly 30 ballots, but it's unlikely they would reach this stage.) Hence compromise and trade-offs become essential. Traditionally, cardinals use the following criteria to size up potential popes: geography, age, life experience, position on issues, languages, charisma and holiness. Many cardinals, for example, believe a Third World pope would help resolve conflicts between industrialized and developing states, as well as be a recognition that two-thirds of Catholics today are in developing countries. In fact, because a majority of cardinals are interested in social issues and because two-thirds come from outside Italy, a viable compromise candidate might come from the developing world, be in his 60s, head a diocese (rather than work within the Vatican) and be a doctrinal moderate-to-conservative with a focus outside the church. He should speak Italian, English and Spanish at least, have a visibly deep prayer life and obvious personal integrity. Electing a non-European would be unprecedented, but bear in mind that cardinals in the Third World tend to be more traditional, and hence more appealing to the church, than their European counterparts. Who could meet the compromise bill? Three Latin American cardinals make many observers' lists. Claudio Hummes, 69, of Sao Paolo, Brazil: A Franciscan, Hummes is a moderate but safe on doctrinal questions, a champion of social justice (he is a backer of Brazil's progressive president) and a unifier. Oscar Rodriguez Maradiaga, 60, of Tegucigalpa, Honduras: A smiling, multilingual, dynamic man, Rodriguez is a passionate voice for the poor. He won the confidence of conservative cardinals by attacking the U.S. media for their coverage of the American sex abuse crisis. Jorge Mario Bergoglio, 66, of Buenos Aires: A Jesuit, Bergoglio is an intellectual as well as a pastor, and he became a national point of reference during Argentina's economic crisis. He's known for his humility, preferring public transportation to chauffeurs and limousines. It's impossible to say, of course, whether one of these men will actually become the successor of Peter. The trash heaps of church history are littered with the carcasses of journalists
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I am ashamed to read in the 'Herald'of today that the Government "may" take action against misusers of accomodation. It could not be without the connivance of government officials that this misuse is taking place and that one 'misuder' has even been living abroad while sub-letting his accomodation. It is not an option that the government has of taking action or not, it is the bounden duty of the government to the citizen and taxpayer. PLEASE NOTE THE CHANGE IN EMAIL ID - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ubaldo & Lynette D'Souza D-5 Shangrila Apartments Miramar - GOA 403 001 Tel: 0832-246 3794 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.516 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 01/09/2003 ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
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Hi there, can you send me the mutton curry receipe for 5kg meat. i like your receipes and i try them thanks you reader _ Access Hotmail from your mobile now. http://server1.msn.co.in/sp03/mobilesms/ Click here. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
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I do believe in the freedom of the press.If a person has been defamed legal notice should be made against the person. Why should the press be penalised for another person's statment which they merely report? Henry ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
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Prince Jacob presents the 85th performance of his highly acclaimed tiatro 'Rudan' in Konkani at 5 pm at Fr Agnel School, Gautam Nagar, New Delhi on Sunday 21 September 2003. Tiatro is a musical drama specific to Goa which couches satire with sentiment and slapstick. 'Rudan' is a family drama about 3 children Agnes, Kimberly and Oliver and their relationship wih their parents. The parents are in an old age home. When the children come to know that the father has money saved in the bank they bring their parents home and pretend to care for them. Divine justice completes the play. Hilarious scenes are provided by Prince Jacob who plays the role of the good Samaritan and Laxmi who is the modern vegetable vendor with sunglasses and mobile. Philip and his jolly boys provide pleasing music and 'cantar'. Don't miss the special scenes during the opening chorus. PRINCE JACOB, based in Salcette, Goa made his debut on the Konkani stage at the age of 13. Since then for more then 20 years he has regaled his audiences with the proverbial Goan humour (seen in buses, taverns and 'posros'). He has performed in theatres across Mumbai, Goa, Pune, Belgaum, Mangalore, Quatar, Bahrain, Kuwait, Muscat, Dubai and London. He has 8 Konkani music cassettes to his credit. We wish Prince Jacob and his troupe all the best as we welcome them in our midst in the capital city of New Delhi. (Compiled by Brian Mendonca for 'Goemkarancho Ekvott') ___ ___ Meet your old school or college friends from 1 Million + database... Click here to reunite www.batchmates.com/rediff.asp ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
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This is from the Cyber edition of the ET, just in case any of you missed it - Auspicio Heaven and Hell [ SATURDAY, SEPTEMBER 13, 2003 10:59:16 PM ] One day while walking down the street a highly successful executive woman was tragically hit by a bus and she died. Her soul arrived up in heaven where she was met at the Pearly Gates by St. Peter himself. "Welcome to Heaven," said St.Peter. "Before you get settled in though, it seems we have a problem. You see, strangely enough, we've never once had an executive make it this farand we're not really sure what to do with you." "No problem, just let me in." said the woman. "Well, I'd like to, but I have higher orders. What we're going to do is let you have a day in Hell and a day in Heaven and then you can choose whichever one you want to spend an eternity in." "Actually, I think I've made up my mind...I prefer to stay in Heaven", said the woman. "Sorry, we have rules..." And with that St. Peter put the executive in an elevator and it went down-down-down to hell. The doors opened and she found herself stepping out onto the putting green of a beautiful golf course. In the distance was a country club and standing in front of her were all her friends - fellow executives that she had worked with and they were all dressed in evening gowns and cheering for her. They ran up and kissed her on both cheeks and they talked about old times. They played an excellent round of golf and at night went to the country club where she enjoyed an excellent steak and lobster dinner. She met the Devil who was actually a really nice guy (kinda cute) and she had a great time telling jokes and dancing. She was having such a good time that before she knew it, it was time to leave. Everybody shook her hand and waved good-bye as she got on the elevator. The elevator went up-up-up and opened back up at the Pearly Gates and found St. Peter waiting for her. "Now it's time to spend a day in heaven," he said. So she spent the next 24 hours lounging around on clouds and playing the harp and singing. She had a great time and before she knew it her 24 hours were up and St. Peter came and got her. "So, you've spent a day in hell and you've spent a day in heaven. Now you must choose your eternity," he said. The woman paused for a second and then replied, "Well, I never thought I'd say this, I mean, Heaven has been really great and all, but I think I had a better time in Hell." So St. Peter escorted her to the elevator and again she went down-down-down back to Hell. When the doors of the elevator opened she found herself standing in a desolate wasteland covered in garbage and Filth. She saw her friends were dressed in rags and were picking up the garbage and putting it in sacks. The Devil came up to her and put his arm around her. "I don't understand," stammered the woman, "yesterday I was here and there was a golf course and a country club and we ate lobster and we danced and had a great time. Now all there is a wasteland of garbage and all my friends look miserable." The Devil looked at her and smiled. "Yesterday we were recruiting you; today you're staff." ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
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Dear Shaikh chandsab I like your efforts you are doing to go to canada, but unfortunetly your request to send you invitation is to a wrong person, i am sorry to tell you that i am not in canada, best of luck. allah hafiz From: Shaikh Chandsab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet](no subject) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 10:14:41 -0700 Hi sir i am a indian national my name is shaikh chandsab and i am from goa from Merces goa sir i apply for canada immigaration but unfortunate i score only 69 Marks actually i apply throuhg one agents after seven Months i got a letter saying that i score only 69 so now i am looking goans brother help at least to send me invitation letter from canada to come to canada here in doha all goans are telling me that in canada all goans are very helpful hope you will try to help me in this matter at present i am working in doha qatar sir i am ready to pay your fees whateve it is ok then bye have a nice day take care best regards give my regards to all goans bye hope you will give my reply as early as possible ok bye yours sincerely shaikh chandsab ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
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Hi sir i am a indian national my name is shaikh chandsab and i am from goa from Merces goa sir i apply for canada immigaration but unfortunate i score only 69 Marks actually i apply throuhg one agents after seven Months i got a letter saying that i score only 69 so now i am looking goans brother help at least to send me invitation letter from canada to come to canada here in doha all goans are telling me that in canada all goans are very helpful hope you will try to help me in this matter at present i am working in doha qatar sir i am ready to pay your fees whateve it is ok then bye have a nice day take care best regards give my regards to all goans bye hope you will give my reply as early as possible ok bye yours sincerely shaikh chandsab ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
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GOOD MORNING SIR, MY NAME IS JOSEPH RODRIGUES. I LIVE IN ABU DHABI AND I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE LATEST NEWS ABOUT GOA KINDLY UPDATE ME WITH IT . I WOULD APPRECIATE GETTING THE NEWS ON MY E-MAIL . ALSO MY ADDRESS IS: P.O.BOX 46492 ABU DHABI. THANKING YOU. JOSEPH RODRIGUES _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
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On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 15:46:05 +0200, "barry.lando" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I would like to visit goa with my family and eleven year old son in december of 2003 for a couple of weeks. Is if advisable for us to take anti malarial treatment at that time? THANKS Barry Lando [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel. (from outside France) (33) 143806330, or Tel/Fax (33)143806038; Tel. from France: 0143806330 or Tel/ Fax 143806038 Portable: (33) 0686494647 86 Bld de Courcelles 75017 Paris -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
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Hi Thomas, sorry, but Goas not the place for spear fishing or scuba diving because the water is quite muddy. Try andaman and nicobar islands, or the Lakswadeep islands, which are great for diving. The sharks off Goa are plentiful, but not close to the coast. You see them about 10 miles from the coast in deeper waters. regards, Gilbert. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear sir/madam > > I was hoping you might be able to tell me about the spear fishing in Goa. I > am planning on going on holiday at Christmas and I love free diving and > spear fishing. > > I have heard there are a lot of sharks in Goa, is this true. Have you heard > of people spear fishing there? Obviously being in the water with a flapping > fish attracts sharks. > > I would be so grateful if you could answer my questions. > > Yours faithfully, > Thomas English > > > > ## > # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # > # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top- posts # > # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # > # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # > ## ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
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Dear sir/madam I was hoping you might be able to tell me about the spear fishing in Goa. I am planning on going on holiday at Christmas and I love free diving and spear fishing. I have heard there are a lot of sharks in Goa, is this true. Have you heard of people spear fishing there? Obviously being in the water with a flapping fish attracts sharks. I would be so grateful if you could answer my questions. Yours faithfully, Thomas English ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
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> - how > on earth would you even know > how to hold a cricket bat.. Boscito, In cricket one does not have to only hold the bat, one can also google the ball (my speciality). Just yesterday I helped my team to a first place in a local table tennis tournament in Macau SAR. In my yester years I did athletics (Goa junior champ), field hockey (represented Goa and college). Besides play badminton and tennis. Kind regards Colaco __ Yahoo! Plus - For a better Internet experience http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/yplus/yoffer.html ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
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This is going to be long..and repetitive.and it concerns Bernado Colaco aka Ole Xac. Reading my email over the last 4 days I have a few comments. > On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 Bernado Colaco wrote: > Subject: Re: Conservation of Portuguese Heritage > Boscito, Bosco: First of all my name is Bosco D'Mello and there are many members on this forum who know me personally who will verify the same. Unlike you, who chooses to hide behind a facade called Bernado Colaco cowardly tossing insults at people hiding behind a pseudo-name. Shame on you !! And I'm ashamed to know you are from Goa. I would be more ashamed if this was true !! > I am privy to loads of info. For example Bhausaheb > took my wonderful book on cricket and never returned it. Bosco: Secondly, I doubt you are privy to anything but BS. Bhausaheb (there is/was only one in Goa addressed so) obviously took the book away because you are so pro-Portuguese with everything in life - how on earth would you even know how to hold a cricket bat..humor aside I don't think you have the wherewithal to mention the name of the first Chief Minister of Goa as casually as you have. > I hope you are satisfied with Dr's answer! Bosco: Excuse me !!. I was kind enough to copy Dr. Colaco with my response to you because I mentioned his name in my email. I don't believe I asked Dr Colaco anything. My message was addressed to you - so Dr. Colaco had nothing to answer for to start with. Below once again is what I said: > At the same time I am surprised that you were privy to the information > that Dr. Colaco hoisted the Portuguese flag on his website only after > visiting Portugal.huh ?!?! Bosco: You are the one who appears to have offended Dr. Colaco with your comment below: > A good example of such a situation is Dr. Jos=E9 Cola=E7o. > Today the good Doutor has a Portuguese flag hoisted on > his web site after visiting Portugal. Bosco: You are the one inferring alot with your comment. I have nothing to add or say to Dr. Colaco. > On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 Bernado Colaco wrote > Subject: Re: Portuguese nationality a colonial favour? > > Miguelo, > > Your posts should be ignored. You can not do without > attacking the author of the post. Just goes to show > your level of education. Bosco: Miguel has publicly stated his educational background. Let's hear you tell us yours before you ridicule Miguel's "level of education". Bosco: And please don't talk of attacking the "author of the post". That task is your pre-occupation. It's your speciality. If you had some substance in your debate, people would have attacked the debate. Bosco: When death or tragedy strikes, human beings first feel and share the pain before getting angry and spouting filth. Here are two messages below from Constantino Xavier and Bernado Colaco on the subject of the Damn Bridge collapse. Note how they contrast from somebody humane and somebody whose only intent is to stir trouble. And just incase Bernado thinks he is the humane person I am referring to - nah-nah. It's Constantino Xavier who is commendable. Constantino Xavier: http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2003-August/004576.html Bernado colaco: http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2003-August/004591.html > On Sat, August 30, 2003 Miguel wrote > Subject: Re: Portuguese nationality a colonial favour? > Dear Netters, > Has anyone set a title match of the Colaco clan versus the rest of Goa net ? > Let's call in the cheer leaders!! > > ;)) > > Miguel Bosco: Miguel, even if you want to be funny, please do not compare or put Bernado Colaco in the same league as Paulo and Rui who have provided us with genuine information. Bernado's post are pure drivel. I have read Paulo's messages for several years now. > On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 Bernado Colaco wrote >Subject: Re: Goa's social indicators > > Marlon, > > Your statement about me (bigoted)is sheer crap like > the rest of the bharatis vomiting (look at the chap > who brought in figs. on infant mortality etc) on > Goanet. I guess you are East African returned to Goa > by Amin or Moi and basically do not have a clue as to > what happened in Goa after 61. Bosco: I'd like to second Marlon's statement on the bigotry in your posts to Goanet. You may not be a bigot in life but your posts to Goanet are full of bigotry. Bosco: Secondly, even after you know Marlon well enough you still pretend like he is East African ?? tch-tch-tch !!! Shame on you again !! > If you if you have any info post 61 I will be to glad to discuss. Bosco: Sorry to wake you up again - Goanet has been talking about info related to Goa post 61 for many years now - 9 to be precise. Thanks for waking-up.or have you ?? Bosco: And lastly.. > On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, Tariq Siddiqui wrote: >> - Was Goa-Net really the first 'Internet Initiative' ? > No. There is another one. If fact it still exists as a super secret net > where only those who cross 10,000 posts on Goa-Net are made members. So if > you want t
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This is a SPAM mail and Goanetters have to be careful. Most of such mails have been originating from places like Nigeria. People have been duped by these folks. Nagesh Bhatcar [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: "MICHAEL OSHODI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet](no subject) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 04:50:26 -0700 STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL WE ARE MEMBERS OF A SPECIAL COMMITTEE FOR BUDGET AND PLANNING OF THE NIGERIAN NATIONAL PETROLEUM CORPORATION (NNPC). THIS COMMITTEE IS PRINCIPALLY CONCERNED WITH CONTRACT AWARDS AND APPROVAL. WITH OUR POSITIONS, WE HAVE SUCCESSFULLY SECURED FOR OURSELVES THE SUM OF THIRTY ONE MILLION, FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND UNITED STATES DOLLARS (US$31.5M). THIS AMOUNT WAS CAREFULLY MANIPULATED BY OVER-INVOICING OF AN OLD CONTRACT. BASED ON INFORMATION GATHERED ABOUT YOU, WE BELIEVE YOU WOULD BE IN A POSITION TO HELP US IN TRANSFERING THIS FUND (US$31.5M) INTO A SAFE ACCOUNT. IT HAS BEEN AGREED THAT THE OWNER OF THE ACCOUNT WILL BE COMPENSATED WITH 30% OF THE REMITTED FUNDS, WHILE WE KEEP 60% AS THE INITIATORS AND 10% WILL BE SET ASIDE TO OFFSET EXPENSES AND PAY THE NECESSARY TAXES. ALL MODALITIES OF THIS TRANSACTION HAVE BEEN CAREFULLY WORKED OUT AND ONCE STARTED WILL NOT TAKE MORE THAN SEVEN (7) WORKING DAYS, WITH YOUR FULL SUPPORT. THIS TRANSACTION IS 100% RISK FREE.BE REST ASSURED OF SUCCESS. IF THIS PROPOSAL SATISFIES YOU, PLEASE REACH US ONLY BY EMAIL FOR MORE INFORMATION. PLEASE, TREAT AS URGENT AND VERY IMPORTANT. YOURS FAITHFULLY, CHIEF MICHAEL OSHODI. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## _ Get MSN 8 and help protect your children with advanced parental controls. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/parental ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
