Re: [Goanet] Insult to Goans
Iwould first seek an apology from the authorities who made a mess of this and secondly would not apologise to any one if i am not on the wrong. What is wrong with the dress code of Goan women? Could you kindly be more specific?As regards the women who has preserved the traditional dress, our goan women too have preserved it, if one goes to the Goan villages you will see a lot of them. Why KKHH movie, why not our konkani movies ? VIVEK Neal Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As for me I say apologize to that woman who was dressed so beautifully and has preserved her traditional dress unlike us Goan women Well I have a suggestion for a replacement picture to accompany the Native Woman of Goa caption. We should just use a photo of the Ms.Braganza character from the movie Kuch Kuch Hota Hai! We'll have to keep the fact that she spoke Hindi a secret though. We wouldn't want to give off a cheap image you know. ;) Neal Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nealpinto.com - --- On Sun 12/07, Helga do Rosario Gomes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Helga do Rosario Gomes [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 10:03:31 -0500 Subject: Re: [Goanet] Insult to Goans Right Neal! ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Yahoo! India Mobile: Download the latest polyphonic ringtones. Go to http://in.mobile.yahoo.com ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Insult to Goans
Hi, I remember the controversy over the Air India calender mentioned by Rene Barreto as I happened to be in Goa during that period (1988-89). It was not that the calender cheapened the image of Goan women, but it described Goans as descendents of the Portuguese! I recall condemning the callousness of Air India in my column (Small Talk) in The Navhind Times. In the face of mounting pressure, Air India withdrew the offending calender and apologised. Since we're at it again, let me reproduce here a portion of a private mail from Eddie Fernandes, who has been a sane voice throughout the current controversy: I am of the opinion that the woman in the picture could be a Goan. The anthropologists define 34 communities as being Goan. The Lamanis are one of them. So if she is a Lamani, she is a Goan. Of course the question also is, Who are Goans? Since I am no expert I can accept the views of the anthropologists. Shriodkar and Mandal write that the Lamanis migrated to Goa in the early 1960s and settled there. That qualifies them as being Goans. Therefore, there is no need for Eddie Gilbert to correct the caption or make an apology. Makes sense, doesn't it? I think that should settle the issue. Cheers! -- R.K. Nair _ Love shopping online? Get this e credit card. http://server1.msn.co.in/features/amex/ Save cost, add value! ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet] Insult to Goans
Why Neal? Have you seen the movie? It was meant to be more of a sarcastic/humorous comment than a serious suggestion. Neal Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nealpinto.com - --- On Sun 12/07, Helga do Rosario Gomes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Helga do Rosario Gomes [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 16:03:37 -0500 Subject: Re: [Goanet] Insult to Goans Why Neal? ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet] Insult to Goans
I am a careful reader Mr. Caldeira. Why would you think otherwise? If you find my postings to be rubbish you are welcome to do so. -Helga do Rosario Gomes. - Original Message - From: Nasci Caldeira [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Insult to Goans Helga! Far from the mark! what utter rubbish are you talking about? dear Helga. Read the original item and carefully analyse what is offensive or not. I hope you do. Nasci Caldeira. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet] Insult to Goans
Helga! Far from the mark! what utter rubbish are you talking about? dear Helga. Read the original item and carefully analyse what is offensive or not. I hope you do. Nasci Caldeira. From: Helga do Rosario Gomes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet] Insult to Goans Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 10:03:31 -0500 Right Neal! And didn't someone (Eddie?) write that the authorities should apologize to this beautiful woman (with great jewelry that I very much covet) for calling her Goan!? Has anyone noticed the irony of all these men up in arms defending the identify of Goan women? Reminds me of the time when the Japanese government sent a delegation of 10 men to an International conference for Women! I haven't heard a pip from any Goan women. As for me I say apologize to that woman who was dressed so beautifully and has preserved her traditional dress unlike us Goan women So I guess that those who pegged her as a Rajasthani should apologize as well... right? :)) Neal Pinto ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## _ Hot chart ringtones and polyphonics. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilemania/default.asp ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet] Insult to Goans
Why Neal? - Original Message - From: Neal Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Insult to Goans Well I have a suggestion for a replacement picture to accompany the Native Woman of Goa caption. We should just use a photo of the Ms.Braganza character from the movie Kuch Kuch Hota Hai! We'll have to keep the fact that she spoke Hindi a secret though. We wouldn't want to give off a cheap image you know. ;) Neal Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nealpinto.com - --- On Sun 12/07, Helga do Rosario Gomes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Helga do Rosario Gomes [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 10:03:31 -0500 Subject: Re: [Goanet] Insult to Goans Right Neal! ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Insult to Goans - my correspondence with Rough Guides (1999)
It was an Air India calendar that had to be withdrawn because of protests regarding a photograph of a Catholic bride described as Goanese. The use of the term Goanese provoked a furore, I did and do not agree with. I managed to round up a copy of the calendar, but, alas, cannot find it now. Who has borrowed it from me? Eddie Fernandes - Original Message - From: renebarreto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 11:08 PM Subject: [Goanet]Insult to Goans - my correspondence with Rough Guides (1999) Goenakrs ! Cecil's post reminds me of an incident ( correct me if i am wrong ) , That took place some years ago - somewher in the 80 s ? a few Goan activists ( ? Roland / Sergio and others ) forced AIR INDIA or was it India Airlines - to withdraw their Calendars from circulation - as they (the Goans in Goa ) argued that the photgraphs appearing on the Air Inda Calendars * Cheapened * the GOAN WOMAN ? The activists won.. ,Air India had to withdraw / destroy those calendars...can some one confirm that this was indeed true ? Then , were some more incidents Those were the days ...when Goans were proud of being * natives of Goa * , they stood up for what they believed in .do we still have some left over ? I am sure we do they are found in the middle east too -: ) . rene barreto www.goaday.com ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet] Insult to Goans
As for me I say apologize to that woman who was dressed so beautifully and has preserved her traditional dress unlike us Goan women Well I have a suggestion for a replacement picture to accompany the Native Woman of Goa caption. We should just use a photo of the Ms.Braganza character from the movie Kuch Kuch Hota Hai! We'll have to keep the fact that she spoke Hindi a secret though. We wouldn't want to give off a cheap image you know. ;) Neal Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nealpinto.com - --- On Sun 12/07, Helga do Rosario Gomes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Helga do Rosario Gomes [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 10:03:31 -0500 Subject: Re: [Goanet] Insult to Goans Right Neal! ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet] Insult to Goans
Right Neal! And didn't someone (Eddie?) write that the authorities should apologize to this beautiful woman (with great jewelry that I very much covet) for calling her Goan!? Has anyone noticed the irony of all these men up in arms defending the identify of Goan women? Reminds me of the time when the Japanese government sent a delegation of 10 men to an International conference for Women! I haven't heard a pip from any Goan women. As for me I say apologize to that woman who was dressed so beautifully and has preserved her traditional dress unlike us Goan women So I guess that those who pegged her as a Rajasthani should apologize as well... right? :)) Neal Pinto ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Insult to Goans - my correspondence with Rough Guides (1999)
000 Goenakrs ! Cecil's post reminds me of an incident ( correct me if i am wrong ) , That took place some years ago - somewher in the 80 s ? a few Goan activists ( ? Roland / Sergio and others ) forced AIR INDIA or was it India Airlines - to withdraw their Calendars from circulation - as they (the Goans in Goa ) argued that the photgraphs appearing on the Air Inda Calendars * Cheapened * the GOAN WOMAN ? The activists won.. ,Air India had to withdraw / destroy those calendars...can some one confirm that this was indeed true ? Then , were some more incidents Those were the days ...when Goans were proud of being * natives of Goa * , they stood up for what they believed in .do we still have some left over ? I am sure we do they are found in the middle east too -: ) . rene barreto www.goaday.com - Original Message - From: Cecil Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 7:02 AM Subject: [Goanet]Insult to Goans - my correspondence with Rough Guides (1999) Just my little bit to add to the current controversy. In April 1999 (to think that I've been corresponding with strangers since that long back!!) I wrote an e-mail to Rough Guides editor Arnold Barkhordarian pointing out some factual errors in their Rough Guide to Goa book. +++ Dear Arnold, Thanks for a quick response. To begin with let me introduce myself. I'm male, 32 and run a small time DTP business in Panjim, the capital city of Goa. I have lived all my life here in Goa. Recently I came across your book GOA - The Rough Guide (1996 reprint) which was left behind by a friend of mine visiting from UK. I found it quite fascinating reading despite my obviously not being in your target audience. I particularly liked the way in which the author (David Abraham?) handled delicate matters such as bargaining, tipping, respect for local sentiments /traditions /sensibilities etc. Only I was a bit dismayed to notice a few (very few actually considering the range the book tries to cover) factual errors have crept in. As I mentioned earlier I would be glad to offer my corrections and suggestions. Here below are a few. I will submit more as I keep browsing through the book. Depending of course on you feedback. === Pg 28 last para RD100cc should be RX100cc Pg 29 second col para 2 (usually Enfields) should be (usually Rajdoots) Rajdoots are rode by about 80% of Goan 'pilots'. No 'pilot' would use an Enfield at it would be very uneconomical to operate in addition to be being bulky and unwieldy. You could also mention that all 'public' (ie. hireable) vehicles in Goa have white numberplates with black letters/numerals. The opposite holds good for 'private' vehicles. Pg 36 Box on Feni Fermented toddy, not 'todi' (locally referred to as 'sur' - 'Sur' is also used as a generic derogatory term to describe any alcohol) is distilled to get Palm Fenny (locally called 'Madd'). There is no such thing as Urrack where coconut sap is concerned. Cashew pulp is squeezed to get cashew 'neera'. This is then distilled to get Urrack. A pleasant light drink whose effects creep up on you (and suddenly you find you're quite high) similar to Tequila. Urrack and more neera are mixed in a ratio of 2/8 (urrack/neera)and re-distilled to get the most popular drink in Goa - Cashew Feni. Good Cashew Feni will not give you a dirty hangover. It is only the addition of other ingredients, to speed up the fermentation process, or to increase the potency (purely for commercial reasons), that results in 'bad' Cashew Feni - the type you described. P37 Food Glossary -'bangra' would more correctly be spelt 'bangda'. It is a variety of mackerel and not a 'mackerel like fish' -crab is 'cullieo' -coconut sugar or Jaggery is 'godd' Pg 41 Police The uniform of the Goan Police is Navy Blue trousers, White Shirts, and Blue and White 'officer type' caps (not berets). Pg 44 Festivals Page 87 Divar Bandeira should be spelt 'Bonderam' (which means flags). It is always held on the last Saturday of August (not January). This festival of flags is a hand-me-down of the harvest festival of ages back, long before the Portuguese or Christianity came to Goa. The island of Divar/Piedade was occupied by seven distinct clans. At harvest times there would be attempts to plunder each others crops. At the onset of the harvest time each clan would have a flag march delineating the borders of their territiory. Often scuffles used to occur due to disputes and weapons were very much visible and used. When peace and unity finally came about the old tradition was maintained but friendly rivalry resulted in 'pea-shooter' type toy weapons being permitted. The actual word for this weapon
RE: [Goanet] Insult to Goans
She's a Lamani migrant. The caption is patently wrong and offensive to call her a native of Goa. It must be corrected immediately with an apology. So I guess that those who pegged her as a Rajasthani should apologize as well... right? :)) Neal Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nealpinto.com - --- On Sat 12/06, Radhakrishnan Nair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Radhakrishnan Nair [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 11:24:58 +0530 Subject: [Goanet]Insult to Goans ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]INSULT TO GOANS and Cartier also shares the cake
Ha, ha ha, Unfortunately most of the ones I have seen in Asanora, had pot bellies, curly hair! I shall of course carry my six pack with me (Stella Artois). Cheers, Gabe. - Original Message - From: Bernado Colaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 4:21 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet]INSULT TO GOANS and Cartier also shares the cake Gabe, By wearing the kashti I hope you are not going to malign the image of true kasthi wears. Most of them are/were six pack! :)) Colaco Perhaps when I next visit Goa I shall adorn a kashti and ask Cecil Pinto to do the same them we could be depicted as typical Goan folk Men! Cheers, Gabe Menezes. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Download Yahoo! Messenger now for a chance to win Live At Knebworth DVDs http://www.yahoo.co.uk/robbiewilliams ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Insult to Goans - my correspondence with Rough Guides (1999)
Just my little bit to add to the current controversy. In April 1999 (to think that I've been corresponding with strangers since that long back!!) I wrote an e-mail to Rough Guides editor Arnold Barkhordarian pointing out some factual errors in their Rough Guide to Goa book. +++ Dear Arnold, Thanks for a quick response. To begin with let me introduce myself. I'm male, 32 and run a small time DTP business in Panjim, the capital city of Goa. I have lived all my life here in Goa. Recently I came across your book GOA - The Rough Guide (1996 reprint) which was left behind by a friend of mine visiting from UK. I found it quite fascinating reading despite my obviously not being in your target audience. I particularly liked the way in which the author (David Abraham?) handled delicate matters such as bargaining, tipping, respect for local sentiments /traditions /sensibilities etc. Only I was a bit dismayed to notice a few (very few actually considering the range the book tries to cover) factual errors have crept in. As I mentioned earlier I would be glad to offer my corrections and suggestions. Here below are a few. I will submit more as I keep browsing through the book. Depending of course on you feedback. === Pg 28 last para RD100cc should be RX100cc Pg 29 second col para 2 (usually Enfields) should be (usually Rajdoots) Rajdoots are rode by about 80% of Goan 'pilots'. No 'pilot' would use an Enfield at it would be very uneconomical to operate in addition to be being bulky and unwieldy. You could also mention that all 'public' (ie. hireable) vehicles in Goa have white numberplates with black letters/numerals. The opposite holds good for 'private' vehicles. Pg 36 Box on Feni Fermented toddy, not 'todi' (locally referred to as 'sur' - 'Sur' is also used as a generic derogatory term to describe any alcohol) is distilled to get Palm Fenny (locally called 'Madd'). There is no such thing as Urrack where coconut sap is concerned. Cashew pulp is squeezed to get cashew 'neera'. This is then distilled to get Urrack. A pleasant light drink whose effects creep up on you (and suddenly you find you're quite high) similar to Tequila. Urrack and more neera are mixed in a ratio of 2/8 (urrack/neera)and re-distilled to get the most popular drink in Goa - Cashew Feni. Good Cashew Feni will not give you a dirty hangover. It is only the addition of other ingredients, to speed up the fermentation process, or to increase the potency (purely for commercial reasons), that results in 'bad' Cashew Feni - the type you described. P37 Food Glossary -'bangra' would more correctly be spelt 'bangda'. It is a variety of mackerel and not a 'mackerel like fish' -crab is 'cullieo' -coconut sugar or Jaggery is 'godd' Pg 41 Police The uniform of the Goan Police is Navy Blue trousers, White Shirts, and Blue and White 'officer type' caps (not berets). Pg 44 Festivals Page 87 Divar Bandeira should be spelt 'Bonderam' (which means flags). It is always held on the last Saturday of August (not January). This festival of flags is a hand-me-down of the harvest festival of ages back, long before the Portuguese or Christianity came to Goa. The island of Divar/Piedade was occupied by seven distinct clans. At harvest times there would be attempts to plunder each others crops. At the onset of the harvest time each clan would have a flag march delineating the borders of their territiory. Often scuffles used to occur due to disputes and weapons were very much visible and used. When peace and unity finally came about the old tradition was maintained but friendly rivalry resulted in 'pea-shooter' type toy weapons being permitted. The actual word for this weapon is 'Fotass'. Made from hollow bamboo shoots and using a pea type seed called 'tefla' as ammunition. Unlike peas 'tefla' really sting when they hit your skin. Although a lot of menfolk from Divar (and for that matter most of Goa) work abroad, mostly in the Middle East, they definitely don't go about waving their adopted country's flags down here. Even the word 'adopted' is not right as they go abroad only to make some much needed money. They always return home in the end. Pg 87 Divar Island The ferry boat crossing has never been free (75 paise per person - vehicles extra). The Church is of Our Lady of Piety (not Compasssion) hence 'Piedade'. = That's enough for today If you could forward this letter to David Abraham or the editor of the new edition then I could e-mail him directly in future. awaiting your feedback. Cecil Pinto ++ Arnold replied immediately. ++ Dear Cecil, Thanks very much for your corrections, it's great to have such a detailed review of our publication from someone in the know. All updates (in fact all travel e-mails) arrive here in my box and I redistribute them to the various departments concerned. As there's no way of knowing who will be
Re: [Goanet]Insult to Goans
Right from theinception the issue was about the caption being wrong and offensive, some went to the extent of extremisim of some culture blah blah..and now it has been sealed off that it was indeed wrong. Kudos to all those Goans I stress G O E N K A R S for showing their concern on this caption and fighting it out with positive contribution until it was truly believed that this caption was wrong, and G O E N K A R S are no more going to gulp down nonsense. Sogglenak dev borem korum ani devachem besanv soggleancher and we remain united always.Have a great weekend. Vivek --- Radhakrishnan Nair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eddie Fernandes is right! Anyone who has elementary knowledge of the Indian demography knows the woman in the picture is neither Goan, nor Rajasthani nor a Kashmiri. She's a Lamani migrant. The caption is patently wrong and offensive to call her a native of Goa. It must be corrected immediately with an apology. Well done, Eddie! _ Marriage? http://www.bharatmatrimony.com/cgi-bin/bmclicks1.cgi?74 Join BharatMatrimony.com for free. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Yahoo! India Mobile: Download the latest polyphonic ringtones. Go to http://in.mobile.yahoo.com ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]INSULT TO GOANS and Cartier also shares the cake
Gabe, By wearing the kashti I hope you are not going to malign the image of true kasthi wears. Most of them are/were six pack! :)) Colaco Perhaps when I next visit Goa I shall adorn a kashti and ask Cecil Pinto to do the same them we could be depicted as typical Goan folk Men! Cheers, Gabe Menezes. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Download Yahoo! Messenger now for a chance to win Live At Knebworth DVDs http://www.yahoo.co.uk/robbiewilliams ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]INSULT TO GOANS and Cartier also shares the cake
Everybody offended with the subject picture accompanying the article in the Abu Dhabi Airport magazine should write the Goa Tourism Development Corp (http://www.goa-tourism.com/) at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or at their mailing address: Trionora Apartments, Dr. Alvares Costa Road, Panaji, GOA - 403 001. INDIA Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Telephones: +91 (832) 2226515, 2226728, 2224132, 243 Fax: +91 (832) 2423926 Best wishes - Bosco RESPONSE: Thank you for your spade work. I have already done the necessary. I do hope that the Authorities will do the necessary to correct the anomaly. Perhaps when I next visit Goa I shall adorn a kashti and ask Cecil Pinto to do the same them we could be depicted as typical Goan folk Men! Cheers, Gabe Menezes. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]INSULT TO GOANS and Cartier also shares the cake and prejudices!
=== No, I am not going to ask Bernardo any questions since his prejudices are not only proven but he is proud of them. Mr. Eddie, Please ask a Kenyan (African) the difference between a Goan and a bharati and he will tell you that immediately. Besides it is good to read that bharat after rotting Goa is creating a square in the memory of Goa. Colaco PS.: The comments about poets in SCMP is hipocrisy innit? The bharatis tried to blow the statue of Camoes? Download Yahoo! Messenger now for a chance to win Live At Knebworth DVDs http://www.yahoo.co.uk/robbiewilliams ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]INSULT TO GOANS and Cartier also shares the cake
On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 04:47:26 + (GMT), Bernado Colaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This effect has now taken toll on some design and jewellery companies such as Cartier the makers of famous time pieces. Their latest diamond and gem stone necklace is called Delices de Goa. For those challenged by the French language: Délices de Goa means...Delight of Goa. A picture of jewellery from that line can be found on page 16 of this report @ http://www.richemont.com/investorinfo/reports/november03/results2003.pdf And then there is the Women's Goa Designer Boot @ http://shoeshoppes.com/shoescom/footwear.cfm/shoes/5001888/ And thankfully the French didn't get offended or insulted when Wendell Rodricks rocked Paris in the summer of 2002. http://www.goacom.com/news/news2002/jul/msg00012.html Everybody offended with the subject picture accompanying the article in the Abu Dhabi Airport magazine should write the Goa Tourism Development Corp (http://www.goa-tourism.com/) at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or at their mailing address: Trionora Apartments, Dr. Alvares Costa Road, Panaji, GOA - 403 001. INDIA Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Telephones: +91 (832) 2226515, 2226728, 2224132, 243 Fax: +91 (832) 2423926 Best wishes - Bosco ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]INSULT TO GOANS.
Seems to me that the Pic used in the Dubai promotion of Goa was perhaps the same one that is banded around the Globe. As it is, I agree with those who oppose it. The tourist promotion authorities in Goa should point out this anomaly to the perpetrators. Check out the link below as well ! Yahoo ? whooo? http://sg.travel.yahoo.com/guide/asia/india/goa/ Cheers, Gabe Menezes. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]INSULT TO GOANS and Cartier also shares the cake
Original Message - From: Bernado Colaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 4:47 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet]INSULT TO GOANS and Cartier also shares the cake Wanting to be Goans is a dream of many. This effect has now taken toll on some design and jewellery companies such as Cartier the makers of famous time pieces. Their latest diamond and gem stone necklace is called Delices de Goa. === No, I am not going to ask Bernardo any questions since his prejudices are not only proven but he is proud of them. However, I am rather amused to read his claim that Cartiers dream of a Goan affinity. Jingoism gone mad! From the current (5 Dec.) Goan Voice UK newsletter at http://www.goanvoice.org.uk/newsletter/2003-48/ 3 Dec. South China Morning Post (Hong Kong). When Cartier decided to launch a new range of jewellery, they looked to Goa, a small Indian state south of Mumbai, which has been treasured for many years by travellers, poets and artists for its cultural diversity and natural splendour. They have called the new collection Delices de Goa. The stones used in Delices de Goa are reminiscent of the colours of the sea, the sky and all the naturalness in Goa. The article is illustrated with examples of the gems but they are not shown on the wed edition of the newspaper. However, they are described as: A Cartier Delices de Goa ring in pink gold set with voluptuous amethyst and turquoise spheres and enhanced either by a dash of diamonds or pink gold; and a generous band of yellow gold topped with a cluster of coral and amethyst spheres (each ring $ 105,000). A Cartier double-row necklace threaded with amethysts, coral pearls and drop diamonds ($ 238,000). Business Times (Singapore) had a photograph of an item from the range (a necklace) shown at http://business-times.asia1.com.sg/story/0,4567,100799,00.html The collection has just been launched and we can expect to see many references to it. Turning to a different story, Bernardo may interpret the creation of a Goan township in Bombay Film city as another example of envy. Read the account of this at http://www.indiafm.com/broadband/03/dec/0412msk/index.shtml and if you select the appropriate link at that site, you can see an eleven minutes video clip of the set and scenes from the shoot. Cheers Eddie Fernandes ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
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Tim, No one is blaming the rajasthanis/kashmiris, from the inception Mr. Ivor had stated very clearly that he is going to take this issue up, which he has done it very well now with the authorities and has explained it too. You must read it tim, you seem to have missed something what you are mentioning and what is being discussed seem not to match properly. We are not being emotional about survival of the said R k, but without having much to say kindly read the articles of all those writers who have supported in a true Goan spirit. Blame it on administration .. Well, gone should be and are the days where a goan is regarded just a susegad, be it the government/administration, every goan should exercise his/her right to demand an explanation and make Goan administration accountable for such publicity about Goan tourism and any such allied promo's or for any wrong done on Goa. One just cannot say BLAME IT ON ADMINISTRATION and close the topic, and that is what Mr. Ivor was doing, he said he is going to find out the source of such information and we all should appreciate and thank him for what he did and is doing. We too like peace, and all those who contributed be it for or against are all peaceloving people, but stand up and speak out please it is only this way that we can remain united and work for the betterment of Goa and Goans. Vivek --- Lawrie D'souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Tim de Mello [EMAIL PROTECTED] Would the same sense of outrage be expressed if there was a white woman shown on the beach? A White wOmAn on a GoAn BeAcH potrays tourism in Goa... ThE Rajasthani Kashimiris depict the vendors on the beach Tell me... would a get Goan selling Sarongs Bangles... well if you can then we don't find these R K's selling thes stuff on the beach... I have never anything GOAN sold on the beaches... It's all about survival... No one has stopped anyone from selling Cashew seeds near the Pink Palace in Jaipur or on the house boats in Srinagar. If the Govt had not allowed these vendors to sell on this stuff on the beach... that picture would never appear...simple. SO BLAME IT ON THE ADMINISTRATION GUYS Why you makin such a big deal about this subject... PEACE... an Indian... come 2 Goa 365 days ... = http://www.travelandgoa.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Yahoo! India Mobile: Download the latest polyphonic ringtones. Go to http://in.mobile.yahoo.com ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]INSULT TO GOANS.
Seems to me that the Pic used in the Dubai promotion of Goa was perhaps the same one that is banded around the Globe. As it is, I agree with those who oppose it. The tourist promotion authorities in Goa should point out this anomaly to the perpetrators. Check out the link below as well ! Yahoo ? whooo? http://sg.travel.yahoo.com/guide/asia/india/goa/ Cheers, Gabe Menezes. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
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Dear Mr. Eddie, We are on two different continents, I am to believe if we goans get united in GOA the entire political system and the goan infrastructure can be changed, this discussion of the outfit is very petty to waste time on, the very words if mentioned to me if it was something to do with the goan unemployment, influx of outsiders in goa,the rampant corruption, the crimes, and so many issues affecting the lives of the common goans then i would have my hatts off to you,can you do something in the goan employment exchange, is there a way you can raise you concern about the rate of crimes in goa? there could be and are many such burning topics affecting the goan life. Time to put this energy on something constructive for Goa and Goans,I hope we i am not being a hyprocrite or prejudice this time too. A belated happy feast. Vivek -- Eddie Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: vivek araujo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks eddie for your interest in my letter, look forward for some more questions. Dear Vivek, You have me well truly beaten! It is not fruitful to pursue discussion with someone with such obviously ingrained prejudices and hypocrisy. Cheers Eddie ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Yahoo! India Mobile: Download the latest polyphonic ringtones. Go to http://in.mobile.yahoo.com ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
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An opinion should not differ because he/she/it/they are white,neither an opinion can change because of the colour, and where is it laid down that if one is white you are a superior race and above the law?if you say an x black person is a thief or y brown person did something wrong , would you charge them because of their colour being black and brown etc. and lay off your hands if it was a white colour having committed this act? Even though the writer questioned of a white woman and did not specify clear whether it is a white woman (foreigner) or a white woman (goan) my explanation goes to white woman (foreigner)--- Tariq Siddiqui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Tim de Mello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just jumping in . . . re: that a pic was published of a rajasthani/kashmiri with the background picture of one of the GOAN beach, . . . seems to have outraged some on this forum. Would the same sense of outrage be expressed if there was a white woman shown on the beach? Depends on what she is wearing. -Tariq __ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Yahoo! India Mobile: Download the latest polyphonic ringtones. Go to http://in.mobile.yahoo.com ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]INSULT TO GOANS and Cartier also shares the cake
Wanting to be Goans is a dream of many. Especially those from the sub continent. We have sikhs, kashmiris, mallus, andras, bengalis, biharis, bangla deshis, pakistanis, kannadigas, all wanting to be Goans. This effect has now taken toll on some design and jewellery companies such as Cartier the makers of famous time pieces. Their latest diamond and gem stone necklace is called Delices de Goa. Download Yahoo! Messenger now for a chance to win Live At Knebworth DVDs http://www.yahoo.co.uk/robbiewilliams ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
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Hi Tim, You are way off the mark! Rajastanis and Kasmiris are different from Goan dress culture, in the first place.As for the foreign women and or men of European origin; they visit Rajastan, Goa and Kasmir too, except for now it is a 'terrorist area'. So your hypothetical question makes no sense. You are just trying to find fault and argue without thinking! I think this line of talk should stop; and instead all our energies be directed to Lonely Planet tourist guide. which is showing so much 'Ignorance; Thaks Gabe for the enlightenment, in this affair. Nasci Caldeira. From: Tim de Mello [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet]INSULT TO GOANS Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 13:07:02 -0500 Just jumping in . . . re: that a pic was published of a rajasthani/kashmiri with the background picture of one of the GOAN beach, . . . seems to have outraged some on this forum. Would the same sense of outrage be expressed if there was a white woman shown on the beach? Just curious. Tim de Mello [EMAIL PROTECTED] CANADA _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/viruspgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## _ E-mail just got a whole lot better. New ninemsn Premium. Click here http://ninemsn.com.au/premium/landing.asp ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
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--- Tim de Mello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just jumping in . . . re: that a pic was published of a rajasthani/kashmiri with the background picture of one of the GOAN beach, . . . seems to have outraged some on this forum. Would the same sense of outrage be expressed if there was a white woman shown on the beach? Depends on what she is wearing. -Tariq __ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]INSULT TO GOANS
Just jumping in . . . re: that a pic was published of a rajasthani/kashmiri with the background picture of one of the GOAN beach, . . . seems to have outraged some on this forum. Would the same sense of outrage be expressed if there was a white woman shown on the beach? Just curious. Tim de Mello [EMAIL PROTECTED] CANADA _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/viruspgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
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From: vivek araujo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks eddie for your interest in my letter, look forward for some more questions. Dear Vivek, You have me well truly beaten! It is not fruitful to pursue discussion with someone with such obviously ingrained prejudices and hypocrisy. Cheers Eddie ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
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Dear Eddie, I do have a reason to believe that a pic was published of a rajasthani/kashmiri with the background picture of one of the GOAN beach, for a promotional cause as it would just not appear the sake of it, there must be a reason for it, it with that implication I still stand by what I say, never sat on a judgment chair only expressed my opinion which i am still expressing. No reason to duck your questions as they are quiet transparent to answer . Answers:= 1. Never seen a goan picture in Uganda on the same context as that of Abu Dhabi hence, premature to reply when time comes it can be replied. 2. Since these letter is addressed to me personally, replying to your personally, the issue right from inception was of the dress and not of person/s so please clarify when you say foreign tourist's dress or the Foreign tourist's as a group.As you rightly stressed on the dress in your third and fourth question. 3.The goan attire, which one if you ask me, shall be much obliged if you can mention to me which are the goan attires and I shall express my opinion of them and not a judgement. 4. The kashmiris and rajasthanis women and their attire are features of the so called markets and subject to popular photographs as mentioned by you , but cannot be features of Goan Tourism at large neither popular photographs for goa's billboards nor advertisements, they just happen to be shopping items since their attire are on sale in shops on those beaches. As when did i last go to goa, i happen to go there everyyear and even if i do not fly down through various sources of information I do get toknow. 5. Lastly eddie again you have got it wrong, there has been a mention that because of xyz community presence in goa, goa has become cheap or it is an insult to goans so why mince words and cofuse further, stick to the subject matter. Thanks eddie for your interest in my letter, look forward for some more questions. Nice day. Vivek - -- Eddie Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Vivek, So you have no reason to believe that the photograph was an advertisement. You do not know the context of it but are prepared to sit in judgment. That is your right. Thanks for the offer to answer my questions so I repeat the ones you so ungraciously ducked: 1. Since you have no idea of UAE conditions, do published pictures of Goans in Uganda give a cheap image of the local population and insult them? 2. Pictures of foreign tourists in Goa are commonly published to promote Goa. Are such photos acceptable? 3. The question remains - what type of attire do you think should represent Goa? 4. When did you last visit Goa? Are you aware that the Rajastani and Kashmiri women are a feature of the Anjuna and Mapusa markets and are very popular subjects for photographs? 5. Does your presence in Uganda demean and insult the local people? Cheers, Eddie - Original Message - From: vivek araujo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 8:12 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet]INSULT TO GOANS Dear Mr. Eddie Fernandes, Mr. Ivor did fwd.a pic. of a rajasthani , there is no article attached to it (let me be frank with you)and who sponsored it is difficult for me to find out, neither did i mention about the article I still emphasise on the photograph, why a rajasthani why not a Goan, how about a Goan picture in Bihar/rajasthan ? Just a thought. About your responses. 1.Pictures of Goans in UAE would depend how the Goans in UAE accept it and adjust with it,I would not know if anytime in the middleast these countries did require pictures of Goans to promote themselves for various reasons.if someone can explain the said advert, then the problem can be sorted out in a simple way. 2. Hippies did cause a lot damage to goa and our beaches, how , is known to all but after a lot of resistance by the goans it was stopped as the word did go round that goan beaches those days due to influx of hippies in big numbers was a den of drugs and nudism.As for foreign tourists publishing their photos for promotion of tourism or promoting their attire are two different subjects. 3. I cannot speak for others, every occassion has a dress code, like in an african continent the africans would not want to promote their attire and tourism on a foreign face, as that attire suits them better, and their proud of it and so are the foreigneirs,who like keep a foreign face wearing the african costume and on the other side the african face with african costume and advertise, see which one sells fast. Mr. Eddie should you have any other query for me please let me know. = --- Eddie Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED
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Dear Vivek, So you have no reason to believe that the photograph was an advertisement. You do not know the context of it but are prepared to sit in judgment. That is your right. Thanks for the offer to answer my questions so I repeat the ones you so ungraciously ducked: 1. Since you have no idea of UAE conditions, do published pictures of Goans in Uganda give a cheap image of the local population and insult them? 2. Pictures of foreign tourists in Goa are commonly published to promote Goa. Are such photos acceptable? 3. The question remains - what type of attire do you think should represent Goa? 4. When did you last visit Goa? Are you aware that the Rajastani and Kashmiri women are a feature of the Anjuna and Mapusa markets and are very popular subjects for photographs? 5. Does your presence in Uganda demean and insult the local people? Cheers, Eddie - Original Message - From: vivek araujo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 8:12 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet]INSULT TO GOANS Dear Mr. Eddie Fernandes, Mr. Ivor did fwd.a pic. of a rajasthani , there is no article attached to it (let me be frank with you)and who sponsored it is difficult for me to find out, neither did i mention about the article I still emphasise on the photograph, why a rajasthani why not a Goan, how about a Goan picture in Bihar/rajasthan ? Just a thought. About your responses. 1.Pictures of Goans in UAE would depend how the Goans in UAE accept it and adjust with it,I would not know if anytime in the middleast these countries did require pictures of Goans to promote themselves for various reasons.if someone can explain the said advert, then the problem can be sorted out in a simple way. 2. Hippies did cause a lot damage to goa and our beaches, how , is known to all but after a lot of resistance by the goans it was stopped as the word did go round that goan beaches those days due to influx of hippies in big numbers was a den of drugs and nudism.As for foreign tourists publishing their photos for promotion of tourism or promoting their attire are two different subjects. 3. I cannot speak for others, every occassion has a dress code, like in an african continent the africans would not want to promote their attire and tourism on a foreign face, as that attire suits them better, and their proud of it and so are the foreigneirs,who like keep a foreign face wearing the african costume and on the other side the african face with african costume and advertise, see which one sells fast. Mr. Eddie should you have any other query for me please let me know. = --- Eddie Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Folks, It would appear that an article in an Abu Dhabi (UAE) Airport magazine (duty-free catalogue?) has upset a few people, who, as far as one can tell, have not seen the publication. Evidently, the picture of a non-Goan lady (either Rajastani or Kashmiri) gives a cheap image about us, and is a big insult to the Goans My questions are: 1. Do published pictures of Goans in UAE give a cheap image of the local population and insult them? 2. Pictures of foreign tourists and hippies in Goa are commonly published. Are they acceptable? 3. What mode of dress would the critics prefer to be shown? There is much nonsense being written regarding this issue and it does not bear repeating. Cheers, Eddie Fernandes === ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
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Hey Marlon, and other readers, I Nasci have never attacked migrants and their cheap culture; never. I have always appreciated your 'sense of humour' too. A thousand flowers should bloom; else it would be a boring world indeed! What I am resenting in some of my submissions is: the sheer audacity of some people and groups and political parties included in imposing their view and philosophy of life on others. These types do not show any tolerence and this is most prevalent in India. There has to be respect and tolerence for all cultures and ways of life; as long as these do not infringe on the fundamental and normal rights of others. Who the hell are these people to impose 'cow slaughter ban'' when the whole world revels in eating 'Beef'. Beef has been the best meat and tastiest by far for most people. If some groups and individuals do not want that; they are free to do as they like. But since India is and has been for a long time now, a multi cultural and secular Country; it is incumbent on everyone specially politicians and the like to respect and tolerate all; so much so there should be special servings of pork, beef, mutton and or chicken, snake etc for all to revel in according to their likes, at New Delhi banqets for Indians and foreign guests alike. China does it so also Malaysia, Japan etc. And these are all Asian Countries. No wonder China is one big leap ahead in 'gourmet food. sports and even technology. What a shame. Hindutva wallahs: Stop imposing these idiosyncracies' on others. The sooner the better. Hoping all Indians learn to think 'Modern' and not drown in the past 'Abyss' they are just coming out of. Then the country will make real progress in all faculties by leaps and bounds. I am proud of being a Goan Indian in genes type and culture. Nasci Caldeira From: Marlon Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet]INSULT TO GOANS Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 09:51:52 -0800 (PST) It is interesting that Nasci, Ivor et al who live as immigrants and migrants outside India, choose to engage in questionable attacks against migrants and their cheap culture. Vivek in his comments below even seems to rationlize the methods used by exremists like the sh*t sena when he says each community has a different way of preserving things, what is food for one maybe poison for other. I'm sorry Vivek, but comments like these are an insult to Goans. We do not believe in ethnic cleansing. It looks like some people, in the blind hatred of non-goans who live in Goa, have chosen to jump the gun about an article that happened to show Rajasthanies selling their wares in the Anjuna flea market. Nasci incorrectly states that the picture was an advert for Goa, when in fact it was simply one of many pictures embedded in an article on Anjuna beach and other places in Goa. As others have asked, please show us any thing in the article that suggested that the Rajasthanies were in fact Goans. If you can't then, you really need to go back and evaluate your attitudes towards people's of other cultures and religions. Marlon --- Nasci Caldeira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The alleged picture of the Rajastani dress woman in the Ad for Goa is off the top; but I would not say it is an insult to Goans. The woman or any other persons depicted should have had some Goan Costumes and or contemporary styles of dress; this should have been in the main, with the Rajastani shown as one of other Indians also visiting in Goa. --- vivek araujo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What other groups do, say extremists as mentioned by Mr. Marlon to the extent of preserving thier pure culture is upto them, each community has a different way of preserving things, what is food for one may be poison for other. The other extremists are unique in their own way be it good or bad and we are unique in our way. There is nothing wrong to be associated with groups as long as your path is right. Nothing cheapens goan culture, as it has always been supreme and will always remain , when goan culture cheapens is when Mr. Marlon thinks it in a cheap way, here we are talking in terms of Insult to Goans ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## _ E-mail just got a whole lot better. New ninemsn Premium. Click here http://ninemsn.com.au/premium/landing.asp ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember
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Dear Mr. Eddie Fernandes, Mr. Ivor did fwd.a pic. of a rajasthani , there is no article attached to it (let me be frank with you)and who sponsored it is difficult for me to find out, neither did i mention about the article I still emphasise on the photograph, why a rajasthani why not a Goan, how about a Goan picture in Bihar/rajasthan ? Just a thought. About your responses. 1.Pictures of Goans in UAE would depend how the Goans in UAE accept it and adjust with it,I would not know if anytime in the middleast these countries did require pictures of Goans to promote themselves for various reasons.if someone can explain the said advert, then the problem can be sorted out in a simple way. 2. Hippies did cause a lot damage to goa and our beaches, how , is known to all but after a lot of resistance by the goans it was stopped as the word did go round that goan beaches those days due to influx of hippies in big numbers was a den of drugs and nudism.As for foreign tourists publishing their photos for promotion of tourism or promoting their attire are two different subjects. 3. I cannot speak for others, every occassion has a dress code, like in an african continent the africans would not want to promote their attire and tourism on a foreign face, as that attire suits them better, and their proud of it and so are the foreigneirs,who like keep a foreign face wearing the african costume and on the other side the african face with african costume and advertise, see which one sells fast. Mr. Eddie should you have any other query for me please let me know. Vivek --- Eddie Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Vivek, Do correct me if I am wrong but I do not think it has been established if the item is an advert or a feature article or a promotion. If it is an advert, who has sponsored it? No one is questioning your right of commenting on the issue. Far from it, I invited you to comment further by asking you three questions. So please let us have your responses. Cheers, Eddie Fernandes -- - Original Message - From: vivek araujo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 9:36 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet]INSULT TO GOANS Everyone has a right to defend and comment on this advert, but I would congratulate Ivor for his awareness on such adverts keep it up. Vivek --- Eddie Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Folks, It would appear that an article in an Abu Dhabi (UAE) Airport magazine (duty-free catalogue?) has upset a few people, who, as far as one can tell, have not seen the publication. Evidently, the picture of a non-Goan lady (either Rajastani or Kashmiri) gives a cheap image about us, and is a big insult to the Goans My questions are: 1. Do published pictures of Goans in UAE give a cheap image of the local population and insult them? 2. Pictures of foreign tourists and hippies in Goa are commonly published. Are they acceptable? 3. What mode of dress would the critics prefer to be shown? There is much nonsense being written regarding this issue and it does not bear repeating. Cheers, Eddie Fernandes === ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Yahoo! India Mobile: Download the latest polyphonic ringtones. Go to http://in.mobile.yahoo.com ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
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Marlon, There is no hatred towards non-goans,neither did i for one mention about any article, tillnow I am still mentioning about the photograph which should have had a goan pictured in a goan attire.You should not judge others in a negative way without understanding themain subject matter of the other party. Once again I say strongly we should not bring into this topic the words like hindu, extremists etc.. and if any group has a way of preserving their culture in their way good for them. Marlon sometimes you go to the extremes of confusing others with your words and the main subject matter is neglected. I stick to what I say, how you imagine and accept it is hardluck for you. I will definetely go and evaluate my attitude towards other culture and thanks for your friendly advice, but you require a total panel beating of your vocablury, you seem to mix custard, pudding,meat, vegetable etc. etc. and the main igredients are forgotten. Marlon I have been reading your letters some are good while others liek this one fails to impress. I give credit where it is due. Vivek -- Marlon Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is interesting that Nasci, Ivor et al who live as immigrants and migrants outside India, choose to engage in questionable attacks against migrants and their cheap culture. Vivek in his comments below even seems to rationlize the methods used by exremists like the sh*t sena when he says each community has a different way of preserving things, what is food for one maybe poison for other. I'm sorry Vivek, but comments like these are an insult to Goans. We do not believe in ethnic cleansing. It looks like some people, in the blind hatred of non-goans who live in Goa, have chosen to jump the gun about an article that happened to show Rajasthanies selling their wares in the Anjuna flea market. Nasci incorrectly states that the picture was an advert for Goa, when in fact it was simply one of many pictures embedded in an article on Anjuna beach and other places in Goa. As others have asked, please show us any thing in the article that suggested that the Rajasthanies were in fact Goans. If you can't then, you really need to go back and evaluate your attitudes towards people's of other cultures and religions. Marlon --- Nasci Caldeira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The alleged picture of the Rajastani dress woman in the Ad for Goa is off the top; but I would not say it is an insult to Goans. The woman or any other persons depicted should have had some Goan Costumes and or contemporary styles of dress; this should have been in the main, with the Rajastani shown as one of other Indians also visiting in Goa. --- vivek araujo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What other groups do, say extremists as mentioned by Mr. Marlon to the extent of preserving thier pure culture is upto them, each community has a different way of preserving things, what is food for one may be poison for other. The other extremists are unique in their own way be it good or bad and we are unique in our way. There is nothing wrong to be associated with groups as long as your path is right. Nothing cheapens goan culture, as it has always been supreme and will always remain , when goan culture cheapens is when Mr. Marlon thinks it in a cheap way, here we are talking in terms of Insult to Goans ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Yahoo! India Mobile: Download the latest polyphonic ringtones. Go to http://in.mobile.yahoo.com ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
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It is interesting that Nasci, Ivor et al who live as immigrants and migrants outside India, choose to engage in questionable attacks against migrants and their cheap culture. Vivek in his comments below even seems to rationlize the methods used by exremists like the sh*t sena when he says each community has a different way of preserving things, what is food for one maybe poison for other. I'm sorry Vivek, but comments like these are an insult to Goans. We do not believe in ethnic cleansing. It looks like some people, in the blind hatred of non-goans who live in Goa, have chosen to jump the gun about an article that happened to show Rajasthanies selling their wares in the Anjuna flea market. Nasci incorrectly states that the picture was an advert for Goa, when in fact it was simply one of many pictures embedded in an article on Anjuna beach and other places in Goa. As others have asked, please show us any thing in the article that suggested that the Rajasthanies were in fact Goans. If you can't then, you really need to go back and evaluate your attitudes towards people's of other cultures and religions. Marlon --- Nasci Caldeira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The alleged picture of the Rajastani dress woman in the Ad for Goa is off the top; but I would not say it is an insult to Goans. The woman or any other persons depicted should have had some Goan Costumes and or contemporary styles of dress; this should have been in the main, with the Rajastani shown as one of other Indians also visiting in Goa. --- vivek araujo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What other groups do, say extremists as mentioned by Mr. Marlon to the extent of preserving thier pure culture is upto them, each community has a different way of preserving things, what is food for one may be poison for other. The other extremists are unique in their own way be it good or bad and we are unique in our way. There is nothing wrong to be associated with groups as long as your path is right. Nothing cheapens goan culture, as it has always been supreme and will always remain , when goan culture cheapens is when Mr. Marlon thinks it in a cheap way, here we are talking in terms of Insult to Goans ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
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Dear Vivek, Do correct me if I am wrong but I do not think it has been established if the item is an advert or a feature article or a promotion. If it is an advert, who has sponsored it? No one is questioning your right of commenting on the issue. Far from it, I invited you to comment further by asking you three questions. So please let us have your responses. Cheers, Eddie Fernandes -- - Original Message - From: vivek araujo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 9:36 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet]INSULT TO GOANS Everyone has a right to defend and comment on this advert, but I would congratulate Ivor for his awareness on such adverts keep it up. Vivek --- Eddie Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Folks, It would appear that an article in an Abu Dhabi (UAE) Airport magazine (duty-free catalogue?) has upset a few people, who, as far as one can tell, have not seen the publication. Evidently, the picture of a non-Goan lady (either Rajastani or Kashmiri) gives a cheap image about us, and is a big insult to the Goans My questions are: 1. Do published pictures of Goans in UAE give a cheap image of the local population and insult them? 2. Pictures of foreign tourists and hippies in Goa are commonly published. Are they acceptable? 3. What mode of dress would the critics prefer to be shown? There is much nonsense being written regarding this issue and it does not bear repeating. Cheers, Eddie Fernandes === ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
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Everyone has a right to defend and comment on this advert, but I would congratulate Ivor for his awareness on such adverts keep it up. Vivek --- Eddie Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Folks, It would appear that an article in an Abu Dhabi (UAE) Airport magazine (duty-free catalogue?) has upset a few people, who, as far as one can tell, have not seen the publication. Evidently, the picture of a non-Goan lady (either Rajastani or Kashmiri) gives a cheap image about us, and is a big insult to the Goans My questions are: 1. Do published pictures of Goans in UAE give a cheap image of the local population and insult them? 2. Pictures of foreign tourists and hippies in Goa are commonly published. Are they acceptable? 3. What mode of dress would the critics prefer to be shown? There is much nonsense being written regarding this issue and it does not bear repeating. Cheers, Eddie Fernandes === rajasthani and kashmiri etc, vendors being in goa, does not automatically make them an integral part of Goa's touristic landscape. we require vendors from outside to promote Goa we have our own clothing like the kunbi,Mando, kottifuggdi, and many other like dresses. lets hope and pray that we do not see the dress code of goans change to Kashmiri and rajasthani. Lot of people have questioned me and even my colleagues whether it is our traditional dress and culture of Goa which gives a cheap image about us, am sure the photographer and the tourism it is a big insult to the Goans. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Yahoo! India Mobile: Download the latest polyphonic ringtones. Go to http://in.mobile.yahoo.com ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
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What other groups do, say extremists as mentioned by Mr. Marlon to the extent of preserving thier pure culture is upto them, each community has a different way of preserving things, what is food for one may be poison for other. The other extremists are unique in their own way be it good or bad and we are unique in our way. There is nothing wrong to be associated with groups as long as your path is right. Nothing cheapens goan culture, as it has always been supreme and will always remain , when goan culture cheapens is when Mr. Marlon thinks it in a cheap way, here we are talking in terms of Insult to Goans , an advert has caught the eye of a goan in Abu Dhabi and he felt it is wrong in the interest of Goans, he has not committed any crime by creating an awareness on this advert, we should be in praise for him atleast there is a watchdog for us goans on such issues though a petty one but can be a bigger one next time. Mr. Marlon thanks for your note but there was no need to go to the levelof extremists etc if only you had to praise Ivor and your help to this issue would make a big difference. If you think of preserving goan culture stretch your hand to help Goa in whichever way you think and then the Goan culture will be preserved by itself. Vivek --- Marlon Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Last time I checked, Goa does have the largest concentration of bars in India. I have also witnessed far more episodes of drunkardness amongst Goans than within the average Indian population. Whether my cursory observations are statistically significant, I cant say. BTW, can Vivek give us a list of recent Bollywood movies (say inthe last 10 years) that allegedly depict Goans as drunks? If this allegation against Bollywood is true, then should they not be congratulated for correctly depicting a unique (but undesirable) feature of Goa? Back to the issue below - I did not state that the rajasthanis etc are an integral part of Goa. However, the Anjuna flea market is an important venue on Goa's touristic map. Whether it is full of Rajasthanies, Kashmiries or Martians is immaterial. Was the article about the Anjuna flea market in general or did it claim that the Rajasthanies in the flea market were Goans? There is a pretty big difference between the two. If it is the former, then your prejudice is pretty clear. To me, use of language that pictures of these women cheapens Goan culture is a clear tip off of this attitude. Today, we have some hindu extremists (sh*t sena, RSS etc), that use the same kind of language in their quest to preserve India's pure hindu culture. I'm sure Vivek and Ivor do not wish to be associated with this lot. Marlon --- vivek araujo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: rajasthani and kashmiri etc, vendors being in goa, does not automatically make them an integral part of Goa's touristic landscape. Goan people and Goan vendors are enough to promote Goa overseas. No doubt we are friendly, and because of this too cossy friendliness attitude we require vendors from outside to promote Goa while our Goans, our culture, and goan vendors are left out. For Goa to promote its tourism, we do not require rajasthani or kashmiri, we have our own clothing like the kunbi,Mando, kottifuggdi, and many other like dresses. No insults to Kashmiris or rajasthanis, but its better they promote their dress in their own native places,we have non goans in most of the departments in Goa, lets hope and pray that we do not see the dress code of goans change to Kashmiri and rajasthani. Well done ivor, if you think it very deeply this advert.has indeed caused a dent on us goans. We are always potrayed as drunkards in Bollywood films, Goans have not lost their memory or ideas to the extent of having a rajasthani or kashmiri dress promote goa's tourisim. Ek Goenkar ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Yahoo! India Mobile: Download the latest polyphonic ringtones. Go to http://in.mobile.yahoo.com ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others #
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Last time I checked, Goa does have the largest concentration of bars in India. I have also witnessed far more episodes of drunkardness amongst Goans than within the average Indian population. Whether my cursory observations are statistically significant, I cant say. BTW, can Vivek give us a list of recent Bollywood movies (say inthe last 10 years) that allegedly depict Goans as drunks? If this allegation against Bollywood is true, then should they not be congratulated for correctly depicting a unique (but undesirable) feature of Goa? Back to the issue below - I did not state that the rajasthanis etc are an integral part of Goa. However, the Anjuna flea market is an important venue on Goa's touristic map. Whether it is full of Rajasthanies, Kashmiries or Martians is immaterial. Was the article about the Anjuna flea market in general or did it claim that the Rajasthanies in the flea market were Goans? There is a pretty big difference between the two. If it is the former, then your prejudice is pretty clear. To me, use of language that pictures of these women cheapens Goan culture is a clear tip off of this attitude. Today, we have some hindu extremists (sh*t sena, RSS etc), that use the same kind of language in their quest to preserve India's pure hindu culture. I'm sure Vivek and Ivor do not wish to be associated with this lot. Marlon --- vivek araujo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: rajasthani and kashmiri etc, vendors being in goa, does not automatically make them an integral part of Goa's touristic landscape. Goan people and Goan vendors are enough to promote Goa overseas. No doubt we are friendly, and because of this too cossy friendliness attitude we require vendors from outside to promote Goa while our Goans, our culture, and goan vendors are left out. For Goa to promote its tourism, we do not require rajasthani or kashmiri, we have our own clothing like the kunbi,Mando, kottifuggdi, and many other like dresses. No insults to Kashmiris or rajasthanis, but its better they promote their dress in their own native places,we have non goans in most of the departments in Goa, lets hope and pray that we do not see the dress code of goans change to Kashmiri and rajasthani. Well done ivor, if you think it very deeply this advert.has indeed caused a dent on us goans. We are always potrayed as drunkards in Bollywood films, Goans have not lost their memory or ideas to the extent of having a rajasthani or kashmiri dress promote goa's tourisim. Ek Goenkar ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
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Folks, It would appear that an article in an Abu Dhabi (UAE) Airport magazine (duty-free catalogue?) has upset a few people, who, as far as one can tell, have not seen the publication. Evidently, the picture of a non-Goan lady (either Rajastani or Kashmiri) gives a cheap image about us, and is a big insult to the Goans My questions are: 1. Do published pictures of Goans in UAE give a cheap image of the local population and insult them? 2. Pictures of foreign tourists and hippies in Goa are commonly published. Are they acceptable? 3. What mode of dress would the critics prefer to be shown? There is much nonsense being written regarding this issue and it does not bear repeating. Cheers, Eddie Fernandes === rajasthani and kashmiri etc, vendors being in goa, does not automatically make them an integral part of Goa's touristic landscape. we require vendors from outside to promote Goa we have our own clothing like the kunbi,Mando, kottifuggdi, and many other like dresses. lets hope and pray that we do not see the dress code of goans change to Kashmiri and rajasthani. Lot of people have questioned me and even my colleagues whether it is our traditional dress and culture of Goa which gives a cheap image about us, am sure the photographer and the tourism it is a big insult to the Goans. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
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rajasthani and kashmiri etc, vendors being in goa, does not automatically make them an integral part of Goa's touristic landscape. Goan people and Goan vendors are enough to promote Goa overseas. No doubt we are friendly, and because of this too cossy friendliness attitude we require vendors from outside to promote Goa while our Goans, our culture, and goan vendors are left out. For Goa to promote its tourism, we do not require rajasthani or kashmiri, we have our own clothing like the kunbi,Mando, kottifuggdi, and many other like dresses. No insults to Kashmiris or rajasthanis, but its better they promote their dress in their own native places,we have non goans in most of the departments in Goa, lets hope and pray that we do not see the dress code of goans change to Kashmiri and rajasthani. Well done ivor, if you think it very deeply this advert.has indeed caused a dent on us goans. We are always potrayed as drunkards in Bollywood films, Goans have not lost their memory or ideas to the extent of having a rajasthani or kashmiri dress promote goa's tourisim. Ek Goenkar --- Marlon Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The claim that a picture of rajasthani women on an article about Goa somehow debases Goa, its culture and its people is pure nonesense which is probably laced with a tinge of xenophobia. The Anjuna flea market (which has a lot of vendors from Rajasthan, Kashmir etc) has become an integral part of Goa's touristic landscape. It is a great place to hang out and buy artifacts from all over India. I also find is laugable that people from other states are trying to tarnish the image of Goa. I'm sorry, but it is comments like those made by Ivor that debase Goa's open and friendly culture. An insult to Goans indeed. Marlon --- vivek araujo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very well noted and explained,I for one wouldn't know whether you are based in Abu dhabi(UAE)and how did you come across this picture,which is not the question here but the main concern is what are the goenkars in abu Dhabi doing , hasn't it caught their eye. Shall be grateful if it could be scanned and let all the goenkars know wherever they are, how goa the negative picture about goans will ruin Goa and Goans one day. Hope Goa is not the Golden Goose. Secondly when you mention about the ministers showing lack of interest , I feel the onus is on goans first to show interest and ensure that negative publicity about goa is stopped and as regards the minister is concerned he should be made answerable to this so called advert. Vivek and Bosco - Goanet Volunteer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 16:05:27 +0530, Ivor D'Cunha wrote: Dear Goan Netters This is to inform youll about the Abu Dhabi(UAE) Airport Magazine which is published every 2 months, this month there is a quiz about Goa with a small write up and 2 pictures one of Anjuna beach and one of a non-Goan lady(either Rajastani or Kashmiri). Lot of people have questioned me and even my colleagues whether it is our traditional dress and culture of Goa which gives a cheap image about us, am sure the photographer and the tourism director are non-Goans, otherwise they would have not publish this wrong picture, it is a big insult to the Goans. There are people from diffrent states who want to tarnish the image of Goa and to promote their own states and this happens beacuse of lack of interest from our Ministers, I appeal to all our Goans to protest to this kind of things about Goa. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Yahoo! India Mobile: Download the latest polyphonic ringtones. Go to http://in.mobile.yahoo.com ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]INSULT TO GOANS
Dear Goan Netters This is to inform youll about the Abu Dhabi(UAE) Airport Magazine which is published every 2 months, this month there is a quiz about Goa with a small write up and 2 pictures one of Anjuna beach and one of a non-Goan lady(either Rajastani or Kashmiri). Lot of people have Glad that there are alert Goans who pay attention to our public image and do something about it. thanks Filomena __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet] INSULT TO GOANS??
I'm very curious to see this magazine/article. If it is not available online, could you please tell me the name (and issue date) of the magazine? Maybe I can have a relative in the gulf send it (or scan/e-mail it) to me so I can see this for myself. Neal Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nealpinto.com --- On Fri 11/28, =?iso-8859-1?q?vivek=20araujo?= [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: =?iso-8859-1?q?vivek=20araujo?= [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 08:23:15 + (GMT) Subject: Re: [Goanet]INSULT TO GOANS ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]INSULT TO GOANS
Very well noted and explained,I for one wouldn't know whether you are based in Abu dhabi(UAE)and how did you come across this picture,which is not the question here but the main concern is what are the goenkars in abu Dhabi doing , hasn't it caught their eye. Shall be grateful if it could be scanned and let all the goenkars know wherever they are, how goa the negative picture about goans will ruin Goa and Goans one day. Hope Goa is not the Golden Goose. Secondly when you mention about the ministers showing lack of interest , I feel the onus is on goans first to show interest and ensure that negative publicity about goa is stopped and as regards the minister is concerned he should be made answerable to this so called advert. Vivek and Bosco - Goanet Volunteer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 16:05:27 +0530, Ivor D'Cunha wrote: Dear Goan Netters This is to inform youll about the Abu Dhabi(UAE) Airport Magazine which is published every 2 months, this month there is a quiz about Goa with a small write up and 2 pictures one of Anjuna beach and one of a non-Goan lady(either Rajastani or Kashmiri). Lot of people have questioned me and even my colleagues whether it is our traditional dress and culture of Goa which gives a cheap image about us, am sure the photographer and the tourism director are non-Goans, otherwise they would have not publish this wrong picture, it is a big insult to the Goans. There are people from diffrent states who want to tarnish the image of Goa and to promote their own states and this happens beacuse of lack of interest from our Ministers, I appeal to all our Goans to protest to this kind of things about Goa. I am going to take up this matter whith the Goa Tourism as well as the Tourism Minister and the India Tourism Office in Dubai and if it is possible I will scan and put it on the goa-net, also if I can have the mailing address of Fredrick as I want to mail one copy for him, cause he will be in a better position to answer that. Happy Thanksgiving to our US-based Goanetters ! ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Yahoo! India Mobile: Download the latest polyphonic ringtones. Go to http://in.mobile.yahoo.com ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]INSULT TO GOANS
On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 16:05:27 +0530, Ivor D'Cunha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Goan Netters This is to inform youll about the Abu Dhabi(UAE) Airport Magazine which is published every 2 months, this month there is a quiz about Goa with a small write up and 2 pictures one of Anjuna beach and one of a non-Goan lady(either Rajastani or Kashmiri). Lot of people have questioned me and even my colleagues whether it is our traditional dress and culture of Goa which gives a cheap image about us, am sure the photographer and the tourism director are non-Goans, otherwise they would have not publish this wrong picture, it is a big insult to the Goans. There are people from diffrent states who want to tarnish the image of Goa and to promote their own states and this happens beacuse of lack of interest from our Ministers, I appeal to all our Goans to protest to this kind of things about Goa. I am going to take up this matter whith the Goa Tourism as well as the Tourism Minister and the India Tourism Office in Dubai and if it is possible I will scan and put it on the goa-net, also if I can have the mailing address of Fredrick as I want to mail one copy for him, cause he will be in a better position to answer that. Happy Thanksgiving to our US-based Goanetters ! ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
