Re: [Goanet] Talibanisation of Goa. /response to Mario
--- Elisabeth Carvalho wrote: > > Dear Mario, > I really do think you are suffering from a rare form > of PDD, known as PDD by Proxy. Not only do you feel > the need to defend your point of view ad infinitum > but you feel the obsessive need to either defend or > take umbrage at someone else's point of view or > emotional state of being, be it shame or > disappointment, and then label it as you would like > it to be. > Mario responds: > Elisabeth, Please pardon me for excercising my freedom of speech and defending my point of view in a public forum, in my apparently mistaken belief that that is what a public forum is all about, without someone putting a pseudo-psychological spin on my motives. Who is to say that any PPD I may have is any worse than the PMS that others may have?:-)) I don't know about "ad infinitum" either, since I am a relatively new member of Goanet. > I have never understood expressions of general discomfort with how, when and why I express opinions rather than specific rebuttals of specific opinions. > I can debate specific differences of opinion, or agree to disagree. I am pretty immune to generalized insults, sarcasm and ridicule. Like water on a duck's back. I learn nothing from those. > Regarding how I label any tendency I observe, others are just as free to agree or disagree. For example, you may have noticed recent references labeling my "rightist diatribes" without a single specific example from my rather detailed and frequent diatribes. Another label I am not responsible for is "Talibanisation" which I consider rank hyperbole designed to gain an unfair debating advantage and out of all proportion with the problem. > I must confess that I have remarked on the relatively new tendency of some to be "ashamed" at the drop of a hat, of things they have no involvement in. Can't an issue be addressed and discussed without such emotional histrionics that may seek to subtly influence the debate and put anyone who disagrees on the defensive? > Elisabeth writes: > > To put hyperbole in context, according to you and > Gilbert, the Association of Goan Atheists and > Agnostics, are frequently seen running the streets > naked, burning kastis and culminating in an orgy to > rival Dionysus. It's another matter that none of us > have ever be fortunate enough to witness such an > event. > Mario observes: > You must not attend many of the meetings of the Association of Goan Atheists and Agnostics. I'm told their nakedness cannot be shown in public though :-)) > The only opinion I remember advancing on atheists, in response to a barrage of overt attacks on religion by Kevin and Marlon, and covert attacks by you and Cornel, can be summed up in the differential societal checks and balances that exist or not exist, while agreeing that on the margin individuals from both camps can have rock solid moral codes. > However, if you are looking for a more specific statement of moral equivalence, we may have to agree to disagree. > Elisabeth writes: > > In anycase, I shall take your point under advisement > and write to the PTA, to stop robbing our young > girls of their self-worth and reinstate a Britney > Spears version of the good ole school uniform. > Mario observes: > I'm not sure if they have formal PTA's in Goa. If they do, I'm not sure if it is these PTAs that were responsible for the decision on female school uniforms. > I clearly recall characterising the decision as "misguided", "stupid" or "prudish". You are so concerned about my suggestion that it may be counterproductive to be ashamed and terrified you seem to have missed what I said. > However, if you are willing to go to Goa and lead a morcha against the policy, I will gladly endorse your position with a barrage of e-mails :-)) > _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Talibanisation of Goa./To Mr Floriano
Indeed, thank you very much, Elizabeth. Lets keep in touch for Goa. floriano PS. Re: DVC - tks5/5. - Original Message - From: Elisabeth Carvalho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 8:05 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Talibanisation of Goa./To Mr Floriano > Dear Mr Floriano, > > Likewise I am a great admirer of yours, although I do > not warrant your reciprocal admiration. You, Sir are a > doer and are doing much good for Goa. You are the > alternative voice that Goa needs. It is unfortunate > that a grass-roots movement such as yours will take a > long time to grow in Goa but the seed has been > planted. I have been looking for a link, where > contributions to your party are welcomed. I will also > encourage other NRIs to read about your party and > support you as much as possible. > > As I side note, I really admired your stance on the Da > Vinci Code. > > Elisabeth > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _ > Do not post admin requests to the list. > Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Talibanisation of Goa. /response to Mario
Dear Mario, I really do think you are suffering from a rare form of PDD, known as PDD by Proxy. Not only do you feel the need to defend your point of view ad infinitum but you feel the obsessive need to either defend or take umbrage at someone else's point of view or emotional state of being, be it shame or disappointment, and then label it as you would like it to be. To put hyperbole in context, according to you and Gilbert, the Association of Goan Atheists and Agnostics, are frequently seen running the streets naked, burning kastis and culminating in an orgy to rival Dionysus. It's another matter that none of us have ever be fortunate enough to witness such an event. In anycase, I shall take your point under advisement and write to the PTA, to stop robbing our young girls of their self-worth and reinstate a Britney Spears version of the good ole school uniform. Elisabeth - Mario muses: > > > Preetam & Elisabeth, > With all due respect, while I agree that this new > dress code is silly and intrusive in the increasing > global social climate, I still don't get this new > sentiment of being "ashamed" at the drop of a hat - > of > something one has nothing to do with. I think that > real "shame" is best reserved for personal > transgressions, and sentiments like regret, > dejection, > bemusement, indignation and anger for those of > others. > > > And now, "actually terrified" - why? Because some > silly, overbearing bureaucrat is taking himself or > herself too seriously in suggesting a salwar-khameez > dress code for school girls? __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Talibanisation of Goa./To Mr Floriano
Dear Mr Floriano, Likewise I am a great admirer of yours, although I do not warrant your reciprocal admiration. You, Sir are a doer and are doing much good for Goa. You are the alternative voice that Goa needs. It is unfortunate that a grass-roots movement such as yours will take a long time to grow in Goa but the seed has been planted. I have been looking for a link, where contributions to your party are welcomed. I will also encourage other NRIs to read about your party and support you as much as possible. As I side note, I really admired your stance on the Da Vinci Code. Elisabeth __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Talibanisation of Goa.
--- Elisabeth Carvalho wrote: > > What is going on in Goa? Are we taking 10 steps > backwards in every direction? I am not only ashamed, > I am actually terrified for Goa. > Mario muses: > Preetam & Elisabeth, With all due respect, while I agree that this new dress code is silly and intrusive in the increasing global social climate, I still don't get this new sentiment of being "ashamed" at the drop of a hat - of something one has nothing to do with. I think that real "shame" is best reserved for personal transgressions, and sentiments like regret, dejection, bemusement, indignation and anger for those of others. > And now, "actually terrified" - why? Because some silly, overbearing bureaucrat is taking himself or herself too seriously in suggesting a salwar-khameez dress code for school girls? > And how about the extreme hyperbole in the Subject line - "Talibanisation"? Has everyone forgotten what the Taliban are all about - sadism, misogyny and extreme brutality based on a warped interpretation of their religion? > Is Preetam seriously suggesting that the dress code is "...now threathening the very social fabric of the native Goans..." Is the social fabric of native Goans so fragile? > Private schools around the world have all kinds of dress codes without any claim by anyone that they are sabotaging the social fabric. > "Misguided", "stupid" or "prudish" are the worst adjectives I could come up with for this action. At most, this is just one step backwards, and should be easily reversed with some strident parental protestations. Maybe I'm missing something. > _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Talibanisation of Goa.
Dear Elizabeth, I have admired your postings which exudes 'forceful mind' Even then I have refrained from commenting on any of your postings. I am a thoroughbred Goan who had the opportunity to vist many a shores in the world for 25 years of my working life,and I have decided (a long time ago) that Goa must nurture its all Goan culture, traditions and heritage to make it the pride for Goans to boast about. You just Terrified? Naaah! You should be much much more than that. Because, it will not only be Salwar Kameezes, it will be more. For Goa is being gobbled left right and centre. And who is doing it? OUR MOST CHERISHED CONGRESS PARTY OF LADY SONIA GANDHI High in Command and the collection of mergerists who have taken a strangle-hold of the Congress in Goa. And who brought in the BJP? Not the Congress???, the Mergerists Remember goasuraj is lying in wait for people just like you to wake up and look for an alternative. As the saying about 'Mountain and the Mohammed' goes, my interpretation is that the Mountain does not and will not go to Mohammed. Mohammed has to go to the Mountain. And Mohammed will go to the Mountain only if Mohammed finds the acute need to do so. Likewise, Goans will be looking for a Mountain to go to when the stink reaches up to their noses and threatens to suck them in. The time is not yet come. But as you have expressed yourself, it is coming fast and at a much faster rate than generally understood. Just remember one thing though. The Mountain that Goans will be running to is solidly positioned itself confidently. It is the GOA SU-RAJ PARTY. If you have not visited our website please do glance at Art. 34, 38 and 41 of our party's Constitution and download our Road Map for Goa at www.goasu-raj.org Only then you will realise that the Mountain has been there for the last 6 years for Goans to make a run to. I might sound arrogant at this stage but we at goasuraj do not care. The situation demands that we be. I say that Goans have no one in the political arena but goasuraj, if they do not want to go down the drain. And we at goasuraj would care less how Goans want to place themselves, either way. with kind regards. floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: "Elisabeth Carvalho" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 9:58 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Talibanisation of Goa. > Dear Preetam, > Thank you for posting this article. I too read it and > then lost the link, and tried unsuccessfully to > retrieve it. > > I find it totally abhorrent that girls are being made > to wear the Salwar Kameez as a school uniform in Goa. > In the article, it stated that the Salwar Kameez would > be more suitable for sports and other physical > activities. > > Oh really? Have the education authorities in Goa tried > to do physical exercise dressed in a Salwar Kameez? > Have they tried to run a marathon, jump hurdles, play > football in a Salwar Kammeez? I can well imagine girls > who desperately want to excel in sports now being told > that they will have to fully cover themselves, let > their sweat trap in these garments giving them rash > and other unfathomable diseases. I can imagine these > and all girls of school going age, ever so subtlety > being discouraged and dissuaded from assuming that > they are equal to men. > > What is going on in Goa? Are we taking 10 steps > backwards in every direction? I am not only ashamed, I > am actually terrified for Goa. > > Elisabeth > --- > > > --- Preetam Raikar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Recently, I was astonished to read an article on the > > local Goan english > > newspaper on the Higher Secondary Schools change of > > uniform to Salwar Kameez. > > I request the Eduacational authorithies not to > > strictly impose the dress code > > to Salwar Kameez. Its the full right of the > > students to wear dresses, skirts > > or whatever they like, so long as they don't breach > > the moral standards. The > > subtle ideas of this Salwar Kameez idealogy is the > > 'outsider' influence that > > is now threathening the very social fabric of the > > native Goans. Today no > > skirts, tommorow no Jeans. > > > > Preetam Raikar > > _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Talibanisation of Goa.
Dear Preetam, Thank you for posting this article. I too read it and then lost the link, and tried unsuccessfully to retrieve it. I find it totally abhorrent that girls are being made to wear the Salwar Kameez as a school uniform in Goa. In the article, it stated that the Salwar Kameez would be more suitable for sports and other physical activities. Oh really? Have the education authorities in Goa tried to do physical exercise dressed in a Salwar Kameez? Have they tried to run a marathon, jump hurdles, play football in a Salwar Kammeez? I can well imagine girls who desperately want to excel in sports now being told that they will have to fully cover themselves, let their sweat trap in these garments giving them rash and other unfathomable diseases. I can imagine these and all girls of school going age, ever so subtlety being discouraged and dissuaded from assuming that they are equal to men. What is going on in Goa? Are we taking 10 steps backwards in every direction? I am not only ashamed, I am actually terrified for Goa. Elisabeth --- --- Preetam Raikar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Recently, I was astonished to read an article on the > local Goan english > newspaper on the Higher Secondary Schools change of > uniform to Salwar Kameez. > I request the Eduacational authorithies not to > strictly impose the dress code > to Salwar Kameez. Its the full right of the > students to wear dresses, skirts > or whatever they like, so long as they don't breach > the moral standards. The > subtle ideas of this Salwar Kameez idealogy is the > 'outsider' influence that > is now threathening the very social fabric of the > native Goans. Today no > skirts, tommorow no Jeans. > > Preetam Raikar > > _ > Do not post admin requests to the list. > Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
