[Goanet] In a Goa beyond visitors' eyes
In a Goa beyond visitors' eyes http://goodnewsindia.com/index.php/Magazine/story/jan-ugahi-goa/ Goa enjoys a prosperity greater than the rest of India. Its standard of living would rival that of Asian tigers. On human development criteria too, it would score well. Goans are a spirited, hospitable, fair minded, God-fearing people. While 26% of all Indians are in poverty, the figure for Goa is less than 10%. Its roads, beaches, resorts and open-ness would make you believe you were in the south of Europe. But beneath the cheer, problems gather and lie like the garbage that affluence generates -- for someone else to clear. The most affected are the children. Several thousands are growing up without knowing childhood. Even while battling on their behalf using familiar means, Bernadette D'Souza and Gregory D'Costa are working on a deeper plane. Beyond laws, they believe is a God-given right of all humans to realise their full potential. Their organisation Jan Ugahi, means 'Self realisation for all'. The story of how they came to this mission is fascinating; one that is so very Indian. Greg used to be a priest and Bernie, a telephone operator. Mines and beaches: Under Portuguese rule for over 400 years, Goa had developed a unique culture all its own, with a very Latin flavour. In 1962, Goa hit world headlines as a 'sovereign state' 'annexed' by 'imperialist India'. When West's moral outrage subsided, its people began to come over -- in curiosity first, and for the infectious friendliness thereafter. The Goan had charmed them. The Portuguese had also incubated many native entrepreneurs who went by names like Chowgule, Dempo, Salgaokar and so on. Many of these were known worldwide as mine and ship owners. The Persian Gulf job-boom that began in the mid seventies made even the middle and lower layers of Goan society cash rich. There was much spare money looking for investment opportunities. Goa decided to invent itself as a tourism destination. The construction boom of the 1980s, --combined with labour shortages, due to many Goans away in the Gulf-- drew poor migrants from drought hit areas over the hills, notably Bijapur in Karnataka. They built the now shining Goa and manned its many menial services. Even as Goa became world's darling, immigrant labour and tourist influx were precipitating new social problems. Housing shortages, slum living, denial of civic rights are a commonplace. Slum children are also victims in the now notorious Goan crisis: paedophilia. Merging streams: Neither Greg nor Bernie grew up in Goa. Bernie was born in 1955 in Andheri, Bombay, one of seven children of a post office superintendent. She remembers herself as a rebel and something of a feminist even at a young age. Going through college, she held many part time jobs-- at a stone crushers for instance. She may not have been actively aware then, but her mind had begun to store away inequities in society. She was the telephone operator at Almonard when a workers' strike occurred. She was appalled by the management's callousness. "I would leak information to the workers and take messages for them," she says with a chuckle. That spell at Almonard made her want to go away and see how 'India' lived. Bombay seemed a poor place to find that out. Greg, though born in Goa -1951- was taken away to Bombay when he was six. He was a studious, inward-looking young man. Family moved again to Ahmedabad when he was 13. It was there that he was impelled to become a priest. He was a natural teacher and mathematics was his favourite subject. It seemed education as a mission would be served by his becoming a priest. After high school the promising scholar entered a seminary in Ahmedabad. In 1981, he was ordained a priest in the Society of Jesus. The church nursed great ambitions on his behalf and sent him to Vidya Jyoti, a centre for higher studies run by it. His reputation as a teacher grew and he was marked for great responsibilities within the church. Bernie meanwhile saw her first 'Indian village' in Bihar. As a Bombay girl, she was astounded how different, life was in a village. How much they endured with cheer and resignation. Workers at Almonard for whom she had raged, had been in clover by comparison. They at least knew what laws entitled them to. She saw in the villages around the ICI explosives plant and the Tenughat thermal station in Gomiya, Bihar the environmental degradation that unaccountable development brings. Her true shock was yet to be. She and a few idealistic young people saw the transformation of well integrated Santal villages into a mind-blown, disrupted community losing all its self-esteem. All because of the rising Kushmandu dam near Alirajpur. For five years between 1988 and 93, Bernie and her small band of friends lived among the villagers and tried to form them into a unit fighting for its rights. They had little or no money, but they were full of passion and grit. They failed. "The state may not be evil, but it's a
[Goanet] The new indian rope-trick : Up the value chain
Up the value chain http://www.goodnewsindia.com/index.php/Magazine/story/india-value-chain/ Sell clay, and you are selling a commodity. Make it into a pot and you have manufactured a product. But if in the end, you send a designer bowl to the markets, then you have a brand and all the big ticket profits. It has taken it a while, but there is growing evidence that India has internalised this simple reality. This is the secret of success in world markets: create true value first and then create an illusion of even greater value. India's legendary knowledge edge and its skilled, industrious workers are right now updating the act that said it all first: the Indian rope trick. Up from copra: When the British left in 1947, they left India with a mindset that it wasn't fit for anything more than exporting jute, copra, tea, spices and cashew nut. 'You stay with commodities and leave manufacturing to the industrialised nations,' seemed to be the message. Quite unwittingly, India's central planners' response of *making* India into a giant, seemed to confirm just that: Indians were not there yet. The one debate that won't die is how Fabian socialism delayed India's date with its genius. Do skip the debate. That date is at hand. When economic reforms began in the nineties, it had largely to do with dismantling domestic controls. There was no need to clear the way to the world markets: it lay open. Some captains of industry feared hordes coming through the open doors;after all, they had been beneficiaries of a closed-door India. But the doughty neo-Indian entrepreneur saw the open door as an exit leading to the world beyond. In just over ten years he has changed India's economy and its image. It is best to savour the changes by surveying the current scene. And it is best to begin the survey with jute, that so epitomised India. Today jute is making a style statement. It is no longer used as just sacking material. Indian application research has made it a candidate in the list of interior and accessory designers worldwide. On another front jute is being promoted as a geotextile, a class of material that is used in huge quantities in civil engineering works. Khadi is not far behind either, in its climb up the value chain. It is not a politician's badge any more. [In fact the pols wear less of it these days; is there a profound meaning in that trend?]. Khadi is haute couture. Today, the word itself is a brand that evokes and enhances India. Earlier this year, a media report quoted Giorgio Armani: "The khadi made in India is among the most skin-friendly fabrics we know. In fact the day isn't far when khadi-based designs will rule the world." The Gandhi inspired Sarvodaya Ashram, Delhi supplies fine, vegetable dyed khadi to Gucci, Donna Karan and Armani. The greatest world spend is probably on personal products. The Indian garment is no longer cheap sweat shop produce. Indian companies are buying brands or even better, creating them. And they, label their garments for the discerning buyer. Salman Noorani's 'Zodiac', is probably the first Indian company [--since the 1960s] that realised the value of branding. Its garments command an average of $60 a piece. Zodiac has three design centres worldwide. New York Times mused in May, 03: "Considering that India is historically credited with giving the world paisley, seer sucker, calico, chintz, cashmere, crewel and the entire technique of printing on cloth, it is anybody's guess why India barely registers on the global map of fashion." It went on to report what Jaqueline Lundquist, wife of a former US Ambassador is doing about it. She says,"Western designers have been coming to India and 'borrowing' for 50 years. It's not fair that all these American designers should get the glory for Indian design." She is actively redressing this style-piracy. Indian fashion was said to be *in*, a few years ago; it is now clear it will probably to stay in. Take in this typical news: Europe's leading jewellery company Hammer & Sohne commissioned Sadhak Shivanand Saraswati, 'a spiritual artist' to design a series for them. Such news is commonplace these days. In the 'hard' sector: You may dismiss fashion as 'soft' sector. But how about this: Dilip Chhabria designs an Aston Martin, the car deemed worthy of James Bond. Or the now routine pieces on A R Rahman: that he teams up with Andrew Lloyd Webber or that he has just finished scoring for a Chinese opus, predicted to rival 'Crouching Tigers...' Or that Samsonite is to locate its 'Global Design' centre in India. Or that Srinivasa Fine Arts, Chennai designs and distributes upmarket stationery like diaries, calenders, planners, albums etc through Neale Dataday, UK and retailed through the likes of Harrods. The point is, India is climbing steadily up the value chain on all fronts. The 'hard' sector is not visible to most Indians. Out there, small and medium businesses are staking new territories with products that range from bone china to car
[Goanet] Sack the Baffled Cops, Incompetent Officials, Ministers, MPs from Calangute/Goa
Hi Everyone, I read with disgust the gruesome murder of hotelier Anuj Joshi in Calangute or Saligao (see "baffled" article below). If this murder is not resolved in an expedient manner, and the pertpetrators are not brought to justice expediently, all the baffled cops, elected officials, ministers, MPs from Calangute, Saligao and Goa (including CM Rane, Opposition Leader Parrikar, and MP Churchill Alemao) should be sacked or should resign. Withe the recent spate of murders and crimes, its about time we have some degree of competency in the Goa Goverment and there is Law and Order in our Golden Goa ! Whether Parrikar or Rane or Willie, We Goans should have ZERO Tolerance for Gross Incompetence in the Governance of Goa. Best Regards, Dr. Carmo D'Cruz, Goan Indian Harbour Beach, Florida. RESTAURANT OWNER'S MURDER AT SALIGAO BAFFLES COPS PANJIM: In a gruesome and baffling murder barely a few yards from the Calangute police station, a restaurateur, Anuj Joshi, 43, was found lying dead on the first floor bedroom of his hillside bungalow with his throat badly slashed on July 2 morning. A spanner, a knife and a jacket with a small radio set was found by the police but the victim's mobile was missing. Joshi had returned home around 3.30 am after closing "The Bar", a very popular pub and watering hole for tourists as well as locals. According to the watchman, who had opened the gate for him, Joshi received a call soon after on his mobile and he was heard chatting jovially with the caller. Joshi was a smiling face in the business and very popular. (GT ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Konkani Sammelan 2006 - July 1-3
Did any Goanneter attend this? Would appreciate your input on this event attended by about 1700 Konkani speaking delegates in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada. Kind Regards, GL Konkani Sammelan 2006 is the first NAKA Sammelan to be held in Canada! Enjoy the legendary hospitality of the people of this wonderful country! Meet your friends from all over North America and the world. Get ready for three days of fun, entertainment, delicious food and merry making while at the same time giving our Youth an opportunity to explore our unique culture. The Convention Center is in scenic Hamilton near Lake Ontario. A wide variety of comfortable hotel accommodation is available in abundance. Over 1,500 rooms in hotels ranging from luxury to economy are available to host our delegates. Register immediately and book your hotel rooms quickly in order to ensure your participation in this fun event. Many families use this event for their once in two years get-together. If you too have an extended family in North America encourage them to use this opportunity. Registration is easily done on this website. Please click here to find out "Who Else Is Attending The Sammelan?". Special events include the Distinguished Awards of Excellence and the popular KonCani Idol competition. The Program Schedule includes music, dance, plays, seminars, and a Medical Symposium for doctors. Toronto has fantastic entertainment opportunities and boasts numerous plays, concerts, theatres, movies, restaurants. The incredible Niagara Falls are only 45 minutes away from the Sammelan venue. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Goa Suraj and migrant voting rights.
I for one support Floriano's stand against giving migrants voting rights. I know as surely as the sun shines, what Goa's future will be if it continues in the current vein. We might as well choose a nice name for Goa that rhymes with Bihar. Something along the lines of Gohar maybe. Incidentally there's an article in the paper how migrants are queuing up in Margao for their voting cards. Something many Goans are too jaded to endeavour. I can't say I blame them. Elisabeth -- --- Vivek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I also feel tha the Goa for Goans theme is very > dangerous and your party could end up being a pawn > in > the hands of christian bigots who have nothing to do > with Goa but would like to further a communal agenda > at your cost. > > > -vivek > > > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > ___ > Goanet mailing list > Goanet@lists.goanet.org > http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Bab Keni ... the best of Jackfruit
Bab Keni ... the best of Jackfruit
By Valmiki Faleiro
Talk of "Bab Keni" and you are talking of a living legend. A man who, more for
love than money, persevered to preserve the best of jackfruit from Goa and
beyond, for our generations to come. He is a much-decorated "Progressive
Farmer" of Goa.
Prabhakar M. Keni (hardly anybody knows Bab Keni by his real name) hails from
Cuncolim, in Salcete. He had a cushy bank job, while his father tended to a
horticulture farm in neighbouring Bali. The father had inherited a small farm
from his own father, but purchased adjoining land in 1954 to build an
impressive acreage. Bab Keni was hauled from bank to barn, by his father's
advancing age.
The negligible he knew about farming was from home hearsay. For some time Bab
Keni could bank on his father's accumulated experience. Here was a farmer who
began reluctantly, and today, 32 years on, is an accomplished pioneer in
several areas.
Strangely, it wasn't his passion for Jackfruit that catapulted Bab Keni to
fame. From the best cashew tree on the farm, he developed a graft and
christened it "Bali-1" (maybe in line with "Vengurla-1" of Dapoli's Konkan
Krishi Vidyapeeth Vengurla research station.) Bali-1 was an instant hit, for
its quality and yield. The ICAR later developed the "Bali-2," from another
mother tree on Bab Keni's farm.
"Bali" is because the farm is located in that village. (About two kilometres
into the Bali-Quepem road from the main crossroads of the village on NH-17,
just past the KRC overbridge and a temple on the left, you will find a kutcha
road proceeding towards right. Take this track; the farm gate is at the end, a
distance of half a kilometre.)
Bab Keni's mainstay is jackfruit. Over the years, he picked the best from
within Goa and scoured for ideal strains in Karnataka, Kerala and Maharashtra.
He has painstakingly built a gene bank of 23 distinct varieties. All "Kapes,"
the drier version ("Rosall" is to jackfruit what "Ghonta" are to mango.) He
has some 70 jackfruit Mother Trees, from which he propagates grafts. Among the
best are varieties from Goa, Kerala and Kumbharwada in Karnataka.
His star "centre forward," however, is a graft he made from a tree in
Khanapur, near Belgaum. The fruit is awesome, some three feet in length! The
bulbs ("ghore") are three-and-half inches long, whitish in colour, slightly
moist but a sweet enough formula for surefire diabetes. Seeds are so virile
that they sprout when it drizzles, even as the fruit ripens on the tree. Bab
Keni was generous with a sample.
I have a notable variety in my own house compound. "Paixao Pereira" is rare on
taste, texture, aroma, and colour. Planted by an ancestor of the Paixao
Pereiras of Guirdolim, who previously owned the land ... its name unknown, I
call it by the planter's family name! Bab Keni sampled the fruit, certified
its goodness, and agreed to make grafts before the ancient tree becomes
history: one for me (for replacement), another for his gene pool.
Bab Keni's "paixao" (passion) for the jackfruit is rare. Last May-end, he was
told of a good variant in some godforsaken village of interior Karnataka. A
bit late: just one fruit was left on the tree. He rushed, liked what he saw,
and requested the owners to telephone him moment the fruit ripened on the
tree. He awaited the call -- to rush again and sample the fruit. If it meets
with Bab Keni's demanding standards, he'll be back early-July, to collect
scions for grafting.
What but pure passion could spur a man in his late sixties on such short-
notice, back-breaking jeep drives? (History repeats itself: Bab Keni's son, a
graduate in Agriculture, works for a leading bank in Kolhapur.) Bab Keni
estimates he must have propagated more than 2,000 jackfruit grafts. His single
biggest order: 50 grafts by the Pilar Fathers for their farm in Madhya Pradesh.
Bab Keni's acres make a fine mélange of species ... cashew, coconut, an array
of mango (Goan and hybrid, of which he also makes grafts for sale), assorted
fruits and spices, like nutmeg selections, vanilla -- even the exotic
Mangosteen, a black fruit with succulent white segments inside, a meltingly
delicious cross between grape and strawberry. More like Bab Keni himself...
The greatness of the man emerges from another uncommon trait: ask him anything
on farming and unhesitatingly, out rolls encyclopaedic knowledge, 'secrets'
and all. It's clear he does it for more than mere money. With people like Bab
Keni and the ICAR, Goa does have reasons to cheer! (As with the "Mollekars" of
Veling, who we shall visit next Sunday.) (ENDS)
==
The above article appeared in the July 2, 2006 edition of the Herald, Goa
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[Goanet] FIFA : Forca Portugal
Semi-final two Munich Wednesday, 5 July Kick-off: 2000 BST Cristiano Ronaldo and Luis Figo are doubts for Portugal's semi-final on Wednesday against France in Munich, after training separately on Tuesday. But Costinha and Deco return from suspension with Tiago and Armando Petit likely to make way. France coach Raymond Domenech is set to keep faith in the team that beat Spain and Brazil in previous rounds. The win over Brazil was the first time in two years that France have fielded the same team in successive games. Portugal (probable): Ricardo, Miguel, Carvalho, Meira, Valente, Costinha, Maniche, Deco, Figo, Ronaldo, Pauleta. France (probable): Barthez, Sagnol, Thuram, Gallas, Abidal, Vieira, Makelele, Ribery, Zidane, Malouda, Henry. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Goans in Goa rejoicing with Portugal win?
On 04/07/06, Frederick FN Noronha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Gadgil, With Portugal, the responses -- both of likes and dislikes > -- tend to be far deeper than is the case with our British colonial > cousins. Agreed. But then, Goa is a far smaller place, Lisbon ruled > (part of) the area for as long as 451 years, brought about some very > far-reaching changes in language or culture and religion here > (specially in the 'Old Conquests') and also probably took better care > of local elites (across the religions) and other priviledged sections > than did the British. But my friends from areas like the Bengal do say > that Anglophilia is not unpresent there. Maybe someone who knows the > situation better could correct me on that. FN RESPONSE: Yes, Fred, I have seen many a documentary depicting the descendants of the original Anglo Indians hankering for times gone!! Afternoon tea dancing? Only in the Hill Stations and perhaps Calcutta! Although tally ho still exists in South India? -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London, England ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] FIFA : Viva Portugal
Miguel, Excellent post. I totally agree. As I said Viva means cheers. That is it. "Viva" could only have a political connotation in some accusatory cum lusophobic minds like Fred Noronha's. Having in mind that Portugal are now the underdogs (the odds confirm it) of the 4 teams remaining, one would have expected Fred to support the underdogs (as he claimed to do in the past), but it just goes to show the inconsistencies of that truly lusophobic mind. I am glad you brought the VIVA issue up. I had already given up. With some people, it is useless to continue the discussion. A waste of time. 40 years back, Portugal achieved the third place in the England 1966 World Cup, where Eusebio was the man of the year with 9 goals (the last time England managed to defeat Portugal till today!) So it is very likely that Viva Portugal was commonly used 40 years back in relation to the world cup success of Portugal. Today I said Viva Italia as they defeated Germany in true style and quality (Congrats Viviana, sorry Marlon but I TOLD YOU SO!!). Tomorrow I will tell the French: Vive le Portugal! And Sunday (sorry Viviana) I will say: Viva Portugal! Paulo > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 04 July 2006 19:20 > To: Goanet > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Paulo/Bernadette COLACO DIAS.; Fred > (2) > Subject: [Goanet] FIFA : Viva Portugal > > When people say "Viva" they say cheers to the Host and wish him long life. > If I am not mistaken 'Viva' comes from the Latin word 'Vivo' meaning > 'Life' > as in 'In Vivo' or 'Living' experiments done in microbiology or macro > biology. > > "Forty years back, few people said the term referring to the World Cup." > Forty years back Fred/Rico must have been just growing out of his > diapers...in Brazil ! How does he know with what connotation the term > "Viva" > was used in Goa or Portugal or Angola or Mocambique or Cabo Verde with or > without Vinho Porto? How does it matter to us today?? Is 'Fontainhas' ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Goa news for July 5, 2006
Goa News from Yahoo! News and Goanet.org Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories. *** Preet Mandir loses Goa license (IBN live) Mumbai: The Goa government has cancelled the in-country adoption license of the Goa branch of Preet Mandir, a child adoption agency, following a CNN-IBN expose, which had revealed how the agency had bypassed all legal procedures to start their operations in Goa. http://www.ibnlive.com/news/impact-preet-mandir-loses-goa-license/14536-3.html *** Plea for linking Kovai-Kerala-Mangalore-Goa-Konkan (New Kerala) Coimbatore, Jul 3: Railway Ministry could open a tunnel railway project connecting Coimbatore and Kerala so that tourism could be promoted along the coastal area upto Konkan region of Maharashtra, Union Minister for Minority Affairs A R Antulay has said. http://www.newkerala.com/news3.php?action=fullnews&id=17444 *** Goa's fishermen celebrating feast of Saint Peter (New Kerala) By Devraj, Panaji (Goa): It is celebration time for the fishermen community in Goa as they commemorate the feast of Saint Peter, one of the first disciples of Lord Jesus, with reverence and pomp and show and gaiety. http://www.newkerala.com/news3.php?action=fullnews&id=16701 *** English textbook in Goa to be reviewed (New Kerala) Panaji: Following stiff opposition from political parties and parents, the Goa government today decided to refer the controversial "Marigold" English text book for Class one to the state board of education. http://www.newkerala.com/news3.php?action=fullnews&id=17806 *** Goa to introduce bond for medicos (New Kerala) Panaji: To overcome the scarcity of doctors in rural areas, the Goa government today made it mandatory for students passing out of state-run medical colleges to serve in such regions for five years, Chief Minister Pratapsingh Rane said. http://www.newkerala.com/news3.php?action=fullnews&id=17858 *** Compulsory village posting for Goa medicos (The Times of India) The doctors would have to serve in the rural areas for a minimum of five years. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1706063.cms *** Urban India to learn from Europe (The Times of India) BRUSSELS: Goa will host next February a meet aimed at helping Indian cities improve its infrastructure by leveraging Europe's expertise. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1702293.cms *** Bond mandates GMC students to work in govt hospitals (Navhind Times) Panaji, July 4: The students passing out from the Goa Medical College and Hospital would have to work in government hospitals for a period of five years as per a bond signed by them while seeking admission to the first year MBBS course. http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=070522 *** GU allows admissions for B Pharm course (Navhind Times) Panaji, July 3: The Goa University today decided to conditionally allow the Goa College of Pharmacy to admit students for the first year B Pharm course for the academic year 2006-07, thus doing away with the earlier directive halting admissions. http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=070423 *** Preet Mandir loses Goa license(Yahoo! India News) The Goa govt has cancelled the adoption license of the Goa branch of Preet Mandir, following a CNN-IBN expose. http://in.news.yahoo.com/060703/211/65l77.html Compiled by Goanet News Service http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Goans in Goa rejoicing with Portugal win?
Hi Gadgil, With Portugal, the responses -- both of likes and dislikes -- tend to be far deeper than is the case with our British colonial cousins. Agreed. But then, Goa is a far smaller place, Lisbon ruled (part of) the area for as long as 451 years, brought about some very far-reaching changes in language or culture and religion here (specially in the 'Old Conquests') and also probably took better care of local elites (across the religions) and other priviledged sections than did the British. But my friends from areas like the Bengal do say that Anglophilia is not unpresent there. Maybe someone who knows the situation better could correct me on that. FN On 03/07/06, Vidyadhar Gadgil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I confess that I have always been mystified by this reported attitude of > Goans towards Portugal, or is it a misrepresentation? One would have > thought that after the experience of colonial rule, Goans would feel > negatively towards the Portuguese. But here they are actually cheering > them on? -- -- Frederick 'FN' Noronha | Yahoomessenger: fredericknoronha http://fn.goa-india.org| +91(832)2409490 Cell 9822122436 -- 2248 copylefted photos from Goa: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] On what's good for Goa and Goans
--- Floriano Lobo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > FL: Very simple. Vote them out of power and reverse > their doings. Example: Throw the 'Tenancy Act' out > of the window which has eaten up Goa's indigenous > Comunidades, and go one step further and pee on it > and the people who brought it in the first place. > Mario observes: > Floriano, I am with you 100% on your goal of voting any rascals out of power, and will also join you in peeing on them when I am in Goa:-)) > Floriano writes: > > FL: Mario, my dear, I have grown up in GOA. I have > seen the Portuguese rule. I have experienced it, > bad, not so bad, good et al. And now I am stuck with > the chor Indian rule, which is bafling even more in > the name of democracy. Stastically polling is > rampant in the US where you reside. Not in India, > least in Goa. Who cares how/what people think?? as > long as they pay their taxes?? And I or my party do > not sweat about what is acceptable to others > and what is not. We have put down what is acceptable > to us. People of Goa, you, have a choice. Either > accept it or go to Congress, MGP, UGDP, NCP, > Janata Party, CPI(M) plus more. We are least > bothered. > Mario asks: > Floriano, as you know, I never use the IMHO pretense because I work too hard on my personal opinions to pretentiously pretend they are "humble". However, I speak only for myself, not vast sections of people. When you say, "... I or my party do not sweat about what is acceptable to others and what is not. We have put down what is acceptable to us." are you telling me that you KNOW all the answers? > Why not conduct statistical polls that may show you what most Goans think, rather than assume that what you and your friends think is what everyone thinks? Maybe you are right, but to win the hearts and minds of the entire population don't you think such sweeping opinions need validation, which would strengthen your hand politically? > BTW, if you think that properly designed statistical polling is nonsense you need to talk to a mathematician who knows about these things. > Florian writes: > > BTW Mario, check-out www.goasu-raj.org and download > the ROAD MAP FOR GOA. > If you do, you will not be saying what you are > saying. > Mario replies: > What I am saying has little to do with specific details of your agenda, which I personally support. My questions have more to do with the notion that your opinions are "rock-solid" and do not need validation. I just think that that is an approach that may have disappointing political results, regardless of the good intentions of the insiders. > ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] The destruction of Hindu temples to build Churches-my final comments
--- Vivek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dear mario: > I dont think there were any absurdities in my post. > What i wanted to convey was that "evidence" as > Gilbert and others demand for the atrocities > committed on native population during the > inquisition is very hard to find. > Mario responds: > Vivek, The absurdities I referred to in your post involved your demand for evidence for things like sati, untouchability, the Holocaust, Osama's involvement in 9/11, etc. I understand you were trying to illustrate the problems with providing evidence. However, I think that Gilbert has shown with facts and sequential logic that many of the claims on the issue of destruction of Hindu temples in order to build Churches are not what everyone thinks. > Vivek writes: > > Francis Xaviers letters provide a insight into his > bent of mind and his intolerant nature.You are > welcome to read them and decide for urself. > Mario responds: > Again, Gilbert has clarified this issue and you need to respond to his comments directly. > Vivek writes: > > I have no idea what a cafteria catholic is and in my > opinion one doesnt have to be religious in order to > be of upright moral nature. > Mario responds: > A cafeteria Catholic is one who disagrees with the official Church's religious "menu" in certain specific areas. These tend to be interpretations developed by church officials over the years, or wholesale concoctions by church officials, and are not part of the basic rock-solid tenets of the religion. > For example, I support the use of condoms as a means of birth control, the Church officially opposes this. I would lose no sleep if priests and nuns were allowed to marry. The Church wants to rehabilitate and forgive all pedophile priests. I would also forgive them but execute the worst ones if I could. The current Pope wants to "fast-track" Pope JP-II towards sainthood. I strenuously oppose this for a variety of reasons that I have detailed in previous posts and in letters to the Vatican. Things like that. > You are absolutely correct that one can be of upright moral character without being religious. We all know that some of the biggest scroundrels around, like the Mafia and Hitler, pretended to be religious while violating every Christian precept ever written. On the other hand some of the even bigger scroundrels, with a far higher "body count", like Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Kim Jung Il, Fidel Castro, were or are atheists. > I just read an amusing post by Cornel, who also says that all scientific knowledge is like silly-putty, where he says, "Atheists (who share the philosophy of atheism) have never fielded armies to fight others." > I guess Cornel completely forgot about the Communists, for whom atheism is a central tenet. The Communists of the old Soviet Union and China, North Korea and Cuba and others, have all fielded armies unbeknownst to Cornel. They have all brutalized and subjugated their own people and menaced their neighbors, and Stalin and Mao are credited with massacres of their own people totalling some 50 million lives, which would make Hitler, whom atheist activists like to paint as a Christian because of some of his self-serving comments, but who violated every single tenet of the rock solid Christian moral code, seem like a Boy Scout leader. > My only point has been that when one signs on as a member of a group that has certain published standards, developed over millenia of experience, carrying consequences within the group that go beyond the civil or criminal law, there are far more checks and balances and public and private pressure on that member to conform to the moral rules of that group. > Hitler may have called himself a Christian when it suited him, but, since he violated every tenet that he may have signed on to, his claim was hollow and everyone knew it - other than those atheists that are anti-Christian and refer to him as a Christian. > On the other hand, none of the Communists had signed on to any moral code, so what moral standard could anyone hold them to, other than local and international law? > An individual non-religious person may have excellent moral standards, but who knows what those are, and there is less pressure and no consequences other than the law on exceptions that they may take when their backs are to the wall, or even when convenience dictates. > Thus, I will accept a conditional moral equivalency, but not a general across-the-board moral equivalency. > Vivek writes: > > I will let you have he last word on this one > Mario says: > Thank you Vivek, and for your civil discourse as well. I hope I was able to clarify my very specific and nuanced comments, which some have erroneously interpreted as an indictment of the moral code of all atheists, which would be a false interpretation. If not, we will simply have to agree to disagree. > ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] FIFA : Viva Portugal
--- Paulo Colaco Dias <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Given that there are now only 4 European teams and > from those 4 teams Portugal holds the highest world > ranking (latest FIFA rankings May 2006) > http://www.fifa.com/en/mens/statistics/index/0,2548,All-May-2006,00.html > > I think there is a very good chance that Portugal > will win the world cup. > Mario observes: > Paulo, Now that my favorite team, Brazil, is out of the World Cup, I am simply going to enjoy the rest of the World Cup as there is no rational way to tell who is better than the other at this stage. All four have an excellent chance, with Germany getting the edge because of home field advantage. > I hate to tell you this, but the pre-World Cup FIFA rankings were the most ridiculous rankings that I have ever seen in my life. > How could anyone with half a brain at FIFA rank the Czech Republic No. 2 and the USA No. 5? > Then these same brainless FIFA officials ranked England No. 10, Nigeria No 11, Italy No. 13 and Cameroon No 15, Egypt No. 17 and Germany No. 19. > Germany No. 19, behind Nigeria, Cameroon and Egypt?? Can any sane person make such a determination? > No, I'm afraid Portugal's No. 7 FIFA ranking is not going to be a factor against France, who FIFA ranked No. 8. Yet, France dominated No. 1 ranked Brazil from start to finish, to the point that even Ronaldo had to admit that they were the better team and deserved to win. > ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] India's Game is Cricket - Not Hockey !
> --- CARMO DCRUZ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Lest you have forgotten, India's game is field > > hockey and we have won the > > Olympic Hockey Gold medal in 1928 (Amsterdam), > 1932 > > (Los Angeles), 1936 > > (Berlin), 1948 (London), 1952 (Helsinki), 1956 > > (Melbourne), 1964 (Tokyo) and > > 1980 (Moscow). We have also won the World Cup > under > > the leadership of > > three-time Gold medallist Manager Balbir Singh in > > 1975 (Kuala Lumpur). > Mario responds: > Carmo, how can I forget? Two of the Indian Hockey Olympians in 1928 were from my neighborhood in Jabalpur even though I was not born yet. Rex Norris and Michael Rocque were friends of my family and I grew up in their shadow. > I love your single-minded passion for hockey, which used to be India's game in your days. It has long since been overtaken by cricket, my friend. > However, for a country with over a billion people, surely India should be able to produce world class atheletes in SOMETHING, ANYTHING. India is fairly competitive in it's major sport, cricket, which is played by very few countries, but it is no longer competitive in hockey, and surely not in soccer. > Look at the list of tiny ex-colonies that made it to the World Cup this year: Cote Ivoire, Togo, Angola, Ecuador, Paraguay, Tunisia, Saudi-Arabia, Costa Rico, Trinidad & Tobago, which is smaller than Goa. > Don't give me pious excuses about soccer being less cerebral than hockey, and your fantasies of returning to the glory days. India should be doing a lot better, in all the major sports. Instead they are unheard of on the world stage in ANYTHING. > ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] San Joao ani Mirg Fest
The Mirg Festival among Hindus, celebrates the onset of the monsoon and occurs a day prior to the San Joao festival. Both signifiy a new crop-planting year. So IMHO, the Church wrapped itself around a pre-existing rural-agricultural festival; and gave the native practices some Christian reasoning - even if there is no "well-jumping" in Portugal and Europe. As a physician, connecting well-jumping (after a few copachem) to a fetus moving in the mother's womb is pretty uncomfortable - to put it mildly. Considering that till the industrial revolution (which really never came to Goa), the agriculture and livelihood of the native population could be affected by: too much, too little, delayed, wrong timing or irregular rains, - a good monsoon season must be a God-sent. This is even more especial if, the prior year was a bad crop-year (emphasizing the effigy-burning). So the joy of a new monsoon, especially after a hot summer, can well compare to a mother's joy and excitement of the new baby in her womb; and the new life the monsoon will bring. The cultural significance of the San Joao fest may not be very different to the fest that marks the start of the fishing season in Goa. Is not that named after St. Peter? Regards, GL ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] About FIFA, viva, Lusotalgia, Lusophobia, troot and the lies liars tell
Paulo Colaco Dias wrote thus to Fred Noronha: Earlier in the day, wrt the meaning of the word "Viva" in FIFA:Viva Portugal, Frederick "FN" Noronha wrote thus jc's input...> Dear Paulo, I don't know about the word "vivid" wrt FN's mind. It is almost always impossible to read someone else's mindfor me at least. I do however submit that with all this chatter about 'Lusostalgia', Frederico Noronha's words come across as distinctly Lusophobic. It might be a facade though. Just might be. "40 years back" (as Frederico aka Rico notes), I believe that Viva Portugal (in Goa) was definitely in reference to the Football World Cup - Unless Frederico wishes to provide us info that it was NOT so ..."40 years back" i.e. in 1966. Now ...earlier than thatFrederico might be right. Viva Portugal (in Goa) might have had a connotation of Viva Salazar or Viva Portugal the colonial power in Goa. That could probably explain how our dear Frederico got placed in Brazil; Just could. And all this ostensibly Lusophobic blah blah might just be a facade a la some of the writings of Mario Sa Cabral et al. Hey ...Chougulos became Chowgule, so why not Frederico become Frederick ... or his writings not Lusophobic? jc But, I guess, any excuse to return to Lusophobia is good enough if that's Frederico's cup of tea === ps: the following are yet unwithdrawn LIES from LIARS: 1. Fred Noronha's yet unwithdrawn LIE when asked to publicly identify the GUYS who HE(Fred Noronha) says " propound this colonialism-started-in-1961 theory" Fred Noronha wrote on GoaNet May 31 2006: 2. Cornel da Costa's yet unwithdrawn LIE Cornel da Costa wrote June 14 2006 on GoaNet that Jose claimed "that Goa needed Portugal to protect it from fellow Indians" please visit "NEW" on The Goan Forum at http://www.colaco.net ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] FIFA : Viva Portugal
> On Mon Jul 3 07:09:57 PDT 2006 Frederick "FN" > Noronha wrote: > > > Even if this is only day-dreaming, it would have > > been great if under-dogs Angola had to win, by > > some miracle. Fred, The best game in the tournament, by far, was the USA/Ghana match. African teams have improved tremendously in the last twenty years but US residents were totally unaware of Ghana's capability. I used this fact to make some real good money on that particular match :-) > +++ Haven't you been reading Santosh, Kevin and > other Goanetters? There is no > miracle, let alone in soccer;-) Hard work and > grit determination leads to success. Couple of > African countries played excellent soccer. Bosco, I read somewhere that it is just not possible for any football fan to be a non-believer when you team is about to go into extra-time penalty kicks :-) As for me, I am offering my services to put a hex on any team. It comes with a full satisfaction or money back guarantee. The service is valid for all teams except Portugal. Mervyn3.0 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Goa Suraj and Florianos response
Dear Floriano, I think when a person speaks with conviction and from his heart he forgets political correctness and the need to be glib with words. Your acerbic style of speaking is indeed refreshing at times! There are however some points that I feel i must bring up. I think that you are unnecessarily harsh on Parrikar and the Goa BJP at times. I for one sincerely believe that our ex-CM Parrikar was a genuinely honest and one of the best CMs we have ever had.Unfortunately he too speaks and acts with a arrogance that stems from knowing that he is doing the right thing. I also feel tha the Goa for Goans theme is very dangerous and your party could end up being a pawn in the hands of christian bigots who have nothing to do with Goa but would like to further a communal agenda at your cost. -vivek __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] ROAD SAFETY IN GOA
Dear Goanetters, I am confident that none of you have the concern for your own safety! My talking about road safety is only barking at the wrong post! THANKS A MILLION TIMES AND MAY YOUR TRIBE INCREASE NC ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] FIFA : Viva Portugal
Dears, The subject line above is a thread that started with my posting. 'Viva' in Goa colloquially means 'cheers'. One hears it at wedding functions...kazar, bikareachem jevonn, portovnnem, xim...mouthed by people who do not know a word of Portuguese and who do not know that Antonio de Oliviera Salazar walked this Earth, and if they do, give a damn about it. Salzar is not sponsoring their feni and food, anyway. When people say "Viva" they say cheers to the Host and wish him long life. If I am not mistaken 'Viva' comes from the Latin word 'Vivo' meaning 'Life' as in 'In Vivo' or 'Living' experiments done in microbiology or macro biology. My signature on the Net is "Viva Goa". The Goan Overseas Association [G.O.A.]'s event every July end in Toronto is also called "Viva Goa". Colonial hang-over? Of all the people in the world, I did not expect my friend Fred/Rico to be caught up in this silly pre-1961 debate ;-( "Forty years back, few people said the term referring to the World Cup." Forty years back Fred/Rico must have been just growing out of his diapers...in Brazil ! How does he know with what connotation the term "Viva" was used in Goa or Portugal or Angola or Mocambique or Cabo Verde with or without Vinho Porto? How does it matter to us today?? Is 'Fontainhas' Lusostalgia? Is 'Garcia da Orta' Lusostalgia? Is Sao Joao Lusostalgia? Is the Mando Lusostalgia? Should we say Forca Subhash Velingkar or Rajendra Velingkar or Datta Palekar? Shall we form a 'Nagrik Kruti Samiti' [Citizens Action Committee] to fight the imaginary 'mesticos' that people of doubtful parentage see Gaunkars and Joneiros like us with a known and recorded [ in the Civil Registrar's, Communidade and Church records]cent percent native Indian geneology!??? Forca Portugal! [Viva Bacalhau, morte e salgado!] Atchung Deutscheland![The Pope is with you]. Allons enfants de la Franca![ Mr. P.G Kakodkar started the first branch of the 'State Bank of India' abroad in Paris; Mr. Manoharrai Sardessai and Remo studied there] Jai Italy [Sonia hamari hai, mere pappi Quartrochi] Viva Copa da Vida! Viva homme loco! Let us see which team will say 'Vini, Vidi, Vici" [Words in Latin said by Julius Ceasar, not in Portuguese by Salazar ;-( ] in Berlin. The numerologist's favourite, Brazil, has become World Cup sambar. Any Da Vinci Code to predict the Winner? VIVA GOA. Miguel Frederick "FN" Noronha wrote Sent: 04 July 2006 09:05 Technically yes. But the connotation varied. Forty years back, few people said the term referring to the World Cup. But, I guess, any excuse to return to Lusostalgia is good enough if that's your cup of tea. FN On 04/07/06, Paulo Colaco Dias <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Forty years ago, the word "Viva" meant exactly the same as today. > The meaning of the word did not change, except in some vivid minds... > > "Viva" means Cheers or best wishes. That is it. > > Paulo. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] DEVILS WORKSHOP ? - "VICHAR VIBHAG "
According to reports emanating post Cabinet meet today 4/07/2006 that this writer got the issue of bringing about an amendment to the Official language Act came at the Cabinet meeting and it is learnt that Dr Wilfred A De Souza besides others spoke vociferously in favour of the same. It is also learnt that the issue will be deliberated further at the next Cabinet meeting. Incidentally the CM is to attend a meeting of CM's called by the UPA Chairperson in New Delhi tommorrow 5/7/2006. Hence the Cabinet meet was pre-poned for 1100 hrs, today. Herebelow is the text of a letter dated 26.06.2006 that the Chairman of the "Vichar Vibhag " of the "think tank" of the Congress Party, Mr Uday Laximikant Bhembre (Adv) ex Independent, MLA of Margao, has sent to all the Ministers, which is self explanatory. The urgency was felt because the political parties have now almost agreed to bring about the amendment to the Official Language Act 1987 now that the tiatrists have joined hands and planned to unseat politicians if they dont. The other members are Mr N (Naik) Shivdas, Mr Vishnu Wagh, Mr Dilip Borkar and some others. It appears that this "think thank" is constituted with the avowed objective only to ensure that the protoganists of "Konkani ONLY in Devanagari script" protect their interests by finding shelter in the Indian National Congress Party. There is a demand from several persons that the UPA Chairperson, Madam Sonia Gandhi MP should dissolve this "think tank" forthwith. The protoganists of Konkani both in Roman and Devanagari script have been successful with the support that they have gained thus far. Mr Bhembre needs to clarify : a) if the use of Roman script should continue what prevents its recognition by way of amendment to OLA 1987? Or better still why not delete from the OLA "Konkani means Konkani in devanagari script b)what are the "complications" he visualises? could he be specific and clear? c) what provoked the "revision of the policies " of the two cultural institutions viz; KA and GKA? was it not the ground swell support the movement for official recognition to Roman script is getting? d) if the OLA is used only for official purpose of the Government, and not for social and cultural spheres of life, why has the government decided to give only "assistance" and not "grants" for Konkani in Roman script? Can those knowledgeable in Roman script apply for Government jobs? e) which OLA in any part of the country has a mention of script? f) was the recent decision of the government of Karnataka Government in permitting Konkani in Kannada script as optional language in schools this academic year wrong according to the "Vichar Vibhag" g) if the Diocesan Society of Education accepted Konkani in Devanagari in 1990 who was their mentor at that time who brainwashed them? who promoted a "Catholics for Konkani in Devanagari" front of Catholics priests and others included who do not know to read a line in that script? h) will the details of the 1939 deliberations and members who deliberated on those issues be made public? i) if the MGP in its 17 years rule not found it just to make Marathi the official language, who will benefit if it is made the official language now ?-- the Goans or the Maharastrians when it comes to jobs in Goa? j) Why should Konkani in Roman script be compromised for the fear of official recognition to Marathi? Is the Goa Marathi Academy not getting grants (not assistance) from Government? Why then only assistance for Konkani in Roman script? What inroads has Konkani in Devanagari school made in the Novas Conquistas from 1990 to this date? Please quote with statistics? j) Who authorised the 21.11.1981 resolution of the Advisory Board for Konkani at the Sahitya Akademi New Delhi making Devanagari the only acceptable script for Konkani? Is it not owing to this resolution that the KPA leaders brainwashed the Catholics abd built hatred against Hindus who have always spoken Konkani but use till this date Marathi in their religious rites? k) what is the difference with the "Road Map proposed and put up on the internet" by Mr Uday Bhembre as a person and Uday Bhembre as Chairman of the Vichar Vibhag? l) what is the sale figures of Sunaparant the only Konkani devanagari script publications vis a vis the Roman script magazines? Has the Bible publication in Roman script not surpassed any best seller figures? It is said that the devil quotes the scripture and the letter of the "Vichar Vibhag" by Mr Bhembre does only that. The game is up for the protoganists of Konkani only in Devanagari script the amendment will be through before the hustings. ** 26 June 2006 URGENT AND IMPORTANT COMMUNICATION We are given to understand that a Private Members Bill is likely to be introduced in the forthcoming session of the Legislative Assembly. It is also learnt that the object of the Bill is to introduce Roman script i
Re: [Goanet] BHEMBRE PLANS TO SCUTTLE AMENDMENT KONKANI ROMAN SCRIPT
This is in response to the above mentioned article by Godfrey Gonsalves. First of all we in Kuwait at Kuwait Konknni Kendr admire Mr. Gonsalves for his campaign in support of Romi Konkani and lend our full support for his campaign. We also give our full support to everyone who is fighting for the due recognition of Konkani in Roman script including Dalgado Acadeny, Stephens Konknni Kendr and our Tiatrists. We strongly condemn Adv. Uday L. Bhembre who heads the "Vichar Manch" for opposing the due recognition to Romi Konkani. We urge every Romi supporter not only in Goa but also all over the World to consider Uday Bhembro as traitor and "chor" of Konkani. Let it be known to him and all his communal colleagues and friends that unless Romi script Konkani is recognised, Konkani language will never remain as Konkani language. The fall and extinction of Konkani in Goa will be the creation of Uday Bhembro and men like him. Let all the Konkani writers and tiatrists raise this issue of Uday Bhembro in every platform they climb. Tiatrists must start singing on Uday Bhembro as it was done by earlier great tiatrists against those who opposed Konkani. I hope Prince Jacob and his collegues will show their true colours of Romi Konkani and not to act in this area as Dr. Jeckeyl and Mr. Hyde. The reason of this statement is this that many of the current self appointed princes and princesses, kings and queens of Konkani stage are capable of doing any nonsense against Konkani if their selfish ambitions are fulfilled. And many amongst us know the tiatrists' true colours as I do. We also demand full support for Romi Konkani from all the Romi script Konkani MLAs and for this all those who elected them should pressurise their MLAs to support this cause. Once again Kuwait Konknni Kendr support all the actions taken in support of Romi Konkani and strongly condemn Uday Bhembro for his anti Romi Konkani campaign. A. Veronica Fernandes, Kuwait Konknni Kendr, Kuwait. >From: godfrey gonsalves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" > >To: goanet@goanet.org >Subject: [Goanet] BHEMBRE PLANS TO SCUTTLE AMENDMENT KONKANI ROMAN SCRIPT >Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 17:36:24 +0100 (BST) > >A Cabinet meeting is slated for 04/07/2006. It is >understood that one of the issuesto be taken up is of >bringing about an amendment to the official language >Act 1987 to include Konkani in Roman script. > >This demand was made by Goans since the revival of the >movement in July 2005. However as expected Mr Uday L >Bhembre who heads the "Vichar Manch" "Think tank" has >stongly opposed this move. > > _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] 49 foreigners own land in coastal areas of Bardez itself!
Sorry, I am late on this one. Mistakes are made in Goa and I guess nothing much can be done now to reverse the situation of those foreigner who already purchased properties . Who we can punish now?? The Lawyers who misguieded the foreigners ? The Law which have a loophole ? The Sarpanch/panchas who would do anything for money ? The Mamlatdars/Talathis who are resposible for 'Mutations' ? The Registrars who are reponsible for 'sales Deeds Registrations'? The Ministers/MLAs who are 40 in total ? Or we/us who are responsible to elect the same old corrupt faces again again ? The law can be stricter now, but those who already purchased I would wish 'Good Luck' to them. That's only my openion. As for other Foreign Nationals of Indian Origin they can freely accquire properties in Inida/Goa up to 2 properties and they can even take back the sales procceeds to the extent of original purchase price. "NRIs, irrespective of their citizenship can freely acquire and transfer residential as also commercial properties in India barring agricultural land and plantation, with repatriation of foreign exchange equivalent of cost of acquisition (maxi.two in case of resi.houses) and no restrictions as regards holding period" . > > alleschbauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear friends ! > > > > We are also 'so called' foreigners, but we don't want to buy any land or > > property in Goa, because this is not according to the laws. This development > > is a problem, because there are many Goan builders, who sell ugly > > house-creations to foreigner's. Many foreigners don't know, that they are > > not > > allowed to own property in India without a special permission. It would be > > necessary to start an information campagne to inform the foreigner's about > > the > > legal situation in Goa. > > > > Also in Austria there are laws, that foreigner's cannot buy land, to > > protect the rights of the native people. > > > > Many Greetings, > > > > Mary and Dieter [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa & NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ Konkani Songs, Goan Photos, Tiatr/Film VCDs, Bank interest rates etc etc (for updates etc click below) http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/files/ ___ Copy addresses and emails from any email account to Yahoo! Mail - quick, easy and free. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/trueswitch2.html ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] {Goanet}Talking Photos: A Quiz ? (Your chance to win free stay at countryside, Goa)
Re: Talking Photos: A Quiz ? (Your chance to win free stay at countryside, Goa) = Hi thanks to every one. -So far got about 9 feed backs, ..and the competetion/offer is still open -Some one asked me if the two nights free offer also includes food etc. Ans is YES with complementary Hot House Drinks (Goan) like Lobo's Caju fenni etc plus transport to and fro Mapusa. What more ? JoeGoaUk also guarantees you that he will join you at atleast once for dinner (he takes evening meals only) -Another one asked me if there is any 70inch TV at all . Ans: Yes, its LCD TV -Some one asked me 'Why I am showing off...' Ans: No Comments yet. -Two people also suggested me to provide few photos of interior of Bungalow. Well, since some one from Goanet started on topic 'toilets', I thought I would submit some pics of the the toilets only - Which I am sure will help you to value my entire estate/property accordingly. So, here is my personal Toilet (mini office?) http://flickr.com/photos/joegoauk4/181469267/ And here is the modern Indian low level toilet. http://flickr.com/photos/joegoauk4/181469269/ It has flexible horse pipe (not visible in pic) which can reach any where so, one need not used 'tambyo' or empty bottles etc as they(Asians) do in UK. One of my neigbours used it as toilet cum bathroom as he had his bath there too using the high pressure flex.pipe as shower. When told we have a separate bathroom, he explained 'I was wondering as to why there was no soap/shampoo provided..' === Re: [Goanet] Talking Photos: A Quiz ? (Your chance to win free stay atcountryside, Goa) Hi Joe I note that your bungalow has "low level Indian toilets" Why do you not call them French/Indian toilets? The French have identical (flush) toilets as the Indians and probably had them well before the Indians. However, both in France and India, increasingly, they are going for the 'western toilet' which means sitting on the toilet rather than straining the knees unduly. It has also only just struck me that the French may win the World Cup because of good strong knees developed you now know where! Cornel View Joe's Simple but Goan bungalow here http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk4/178985034/ Now the quiz: How many crows of rupees you think Joe's bungalow is worth ?? Hint1: Work out at current market rate (land was purchased 3 years ago) Hint2: Choose one from the possible five answers given below: Is it ..? AA http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk4/179002842/ BB http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk4/179002843/ CC http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk4/179002844/ DD http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk4/179002845/ EE http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk4/179002846/ Please send your ans within a week. All right enteries will get free stay for 2 (or family of 4) for 2 nights at Joe's Bungalow (meals included. Please circulate for maximum participation. Thanks, Joe. [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa & NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ Konkani Songs, Goan Photos, Tiatr/Film VCDs, Bank interest rates etc etc (for updates etc click below) http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/files/ ___ Try the all-new Yahoo! Mail. "The New Version is radically easier to use" The Wall Street Journal http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Women of a lesser God - response to Cornel
Dear Cornel, I wonder if Mrs Noah had to wear a Salwaar Kameez :)) Then again maybe her main responsibility was herding those animals into the ark, while Noah set about collecting the wood to make it. But for Mrs Noah, the earth would be an arid and desolate place. I totally agree, we must give Mrs Noah the credit she deserves. Elisabeth -- --- cornel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Elizabeth > Am a wee bit puzzled when you said that only Noah > was saved in the Flood. > Surely, there must have been a Mrs Noah to ensure > procreation. Virgin births > had yet to be invented. And of course, we know with > a high degree of > certainty that behind every great man is a greater > woman. So, I choose to > give more credence to Mrs Noah than her young man in > this fairy tale. > > It is unbelievably hot in London too. > Regards > Cornel __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] World Cup - my predictions.
I'd love to see a Portugal-Italy matchjust as long as it's not Germany or France who wins the Copa Mundial. Viviana Paulo Colaco Dias wrote: >So, tonight I will be saying FORZA ITALIA!! > > ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] FIFA : Viva Portugal
Yours is definitely a vivid mind Fred. Paulo. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frederick "FN" Noronha Sent: 04 July 2006 09:05 To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! Subject: Re: [Goanet] FIFA : Viva Portugal Technically yes. But the connotation varied. Forty years back, few people said the term referring to the World Cup. But, I guess, any excuse to return to Lusostalgia is good enough if that's your cup of tea. FN On 04/07/06, Paulo Colaco Dias <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Forty years ago, the word "Viva" meant exactly the same as today. > The meaning of the word did not change, except in some vivid minds... > > "Viva" means Cheers or best wishes. That is it. > > Paulo. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.8/381 - Release Date: 03/07/2006 ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Goans sing as Portugal advance to last four
Goans sing as Portugal advance to last four Sun Jul 2, 2006 10:39 AM IST By Sanjay Rajan CALANGUTE, GOA, India (Reuters) - Residents in the western Indian enclave of Goa took to the streets on Saturday night to celebrate Portugal's World Cup quarter-final victory and the former colony is hoping the side can continue their good run. Portugal defeated England on penalties after a goalless stalemate in Gelsenkirchen, Germany to advance to the last four of the finals for the second time, the other in 1966 when their English hosts edged Eusebio's side on the way to the title. Goa became a Portuguese colony in the early 16th century after explorer Vasco da Gama rounded the Cape of Good Hope to discover the sea route to India in 1498. The Portuguese rule ended in 1961 when Indian forces entered the coastal enclave dotted with swaying coconut palms, but the state retains a distinct Portuguese flavour, especially the love of soccer. "I've been praying for Portugal to win over England," Sam Dias told Reuters as he left to join his friends in celebration at the Calangute beach. "My love for Portugal is not only because of our history, I just love the way they play football, especially Luis Figo and Cristiano Ronaldo," said the 17-year-old student, an avid footballer himself. "Those were great saves by goalkeeper Ricardo." For older residents like Antoni Jerome D'Souza, who remember the final days of colonial rule and still speak a little Portuguese, the affection for the Iberian side has more to do with history. "We were under them and I remember those days fondly," said the 51-year-old, who runs a beach resort. "Our natures are similar I guess." Monsoon showers have not dampened the enthusiasm as soccer clubs and resorts have put up giant screens, much like during Euro 2004 when Goans congregated and prayed for a Portuguese success and cried when the host team lost to Greece in the final. "I remember that night clearly," said Menico Goes Proecna, sipping rum in celebration at the Calangute Association. "Most of us went home depressed," the 54-year-old said, as youngsters carrying Portugal flags screamed with joy. "If I remember right, Portugal beat England on penalties then as well. "I hope they go on to win the ultimate trophy this time. They played so well today." Portugal next play France in Munich on Wednesday, with the winner going on the face either Germany or Italy in Berlin next Sunday. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Goans in Goa rejoicing with Portugal win?
Hi Vidyadhar To be fair, it is not unreasonable for people anywhere to cheer a good football side purely on sporting grounds. However, I think you are insinuating that it seems odd that the Goans should cheer the Portuguese side because of the former colonial connection. Let me offer a slightly different consideration to your little dilemma. You will have read Priyamvada Gopal's trenchant criticism of revisionist history in her essay "Imperial Apologists Peddle Poisonous Fairytale." This is of course, a criticism of Niall Ferguson's current revisionist historical work-- Imperial British History. Her reference to historical evidence seems excellent to me. I was familiar and have been very pained about the British made famine in Bengal etc where so many died quite unnecessarily and much has been rightly written about this and other terrible British atroticities in India. However, Gopal would have found, if she had looked for it, that 'revisionist' history, if we can use such teminology, began in Goa, among perhaps significant numbers, on 19th December 1961 and has continued relatively unabated since then. This is the real mystery worthy of systematic study--perhaps for you to examine, having started with your enigmatic football cheering question in Goa. Cornel - Original Message - From: "Vidyadhar Gadgil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goans in Goa rejoicing with Portugal win? > On Sun, 2006-07-02 at 22:08 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: >> From: "Jose Colaco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: [Goanet] Not Yet on GoaNet ...but SAY WHAT ??! Goans in Goa >> rejoicing with Portugal win? >> The following articles are interesting. I wonder whether they reflect >> the >> true mood of Goans in Goa. > > I confess that I have always been mystified by this reported attitude of > Goans towards Portugal, or is it a misrepresentation? One would have > thought that after the experience of colonial rule, Goans would feel > negatively towards the Portuguese. But here they are actually cheering > them on? > > Contrast this with the attitude in the rest of India towards the > British. Rahul Dravid recently endeared himself to the country at large. > Interviewed after the 3rd test (played in Trinidad), he was asked > whether he would be supporting Trinidad & Tobago in their FIFA World Cup > match against England that evening. He gave a mischievous grin and said > "Anybody but England!" And the majority of Indians said a heartfelt > 'Amen'. > > Contrast this with the reported attitude in Goa towards the Portuguese. > Or are these just journalistic biases? In the rest of India, even if > somebody actually supported England (against anybody else), they would > probably keep their views to themselves, out of fear of being identified > as upper-class collaborators with colonial rule. > > What gives? > >> Reading what is posted by our regular journos on >> GoaNet, it does not appear that the stories are that accurate. Are >> they? >> ...or are we being ONLY selectively fed news/revision based on the >> personal >> biases of some of the journos? >> > -- > Question everything -- Karl Marx > > ___ > Goanet mailing list > Goanet@lists.goanet.org > http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org > ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] World Cup - my predictions.
Here is the BBC report about Rooney's red card. It makes interesting reading. It contains Sven's opinion and the referee's opinion. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/world_cup_2006/teams/england/513824 0.stm I remember Marlon has always been a Germany supporter from past world cups but, unfortunately, Marlon, it is not Germany's turn ... Give it another 4 years perhaps. This is a Portuguese year Marlon. So, tonight I will be saying FORZA ITALIA!! Tomorrow I will be saying FORÇA Portugal as they will play with their main squad back again and with an extremely strong will to win this world cup as you have never seen before!! And then, (sorry Viviana), on Sunday I will be saying VIVA Portugal! There you go. These are my revised predictions: 1. Portugal 2. Italy 3. Germany or France but most probably Germany! Paulo. Go Portugal!! > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:goanet- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon Menezes > Sent: 03 July 2006 18:36 > To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! > Subject: Re: [Goanet] World Cup > > Gabe, stop being a cry baby. England did not deserve > to reach the quarter finals. Wayne Rooney got what he > deserved. > > As for Portugal, I don't think they stand a chance if > France continues to play they they have. They brushed > off Portgual's A team (aka Brazil) with ease and they > should have no trouble handling Portugal's second tier > team (aka Portugal). > > Go Germany! > ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Goa's Inquisition - Reasons for confusion
Many Goans, including me, are sometimes confused by what is written on the inquisition IN GOA. Most of us can only rely on what other authorities have written on this subject. Yet there is great dichotomy in their writings. As I read the various texts, I find that many of the writers confuse the issues. Some authors cannot confine themselves to the "religious inquisition" in Goa. They digress (and fill their writing space) with what happened in Portugal / Europe and mix some of the military actions and government decrees going on in colonial Goa - contemporaneously. Some rehashed write-ups, extensively rely on a Frenchman Dellon's description of the Goan inquisition. Yet, between those, Alfred De Mello's write ups in TGF and those written in ChristianAggression.org web site, IMHO their conclusions do not match the published raw data on the number of victims of the inquisition. I had posted the raw data (to the surprise of many) on this cyber Goa site a few years ago. I fully realize that I have to continue to do my research especially of the RAW DATA to fully engage the various write-ups. Yet, for now, we have to just "get confused" by what some have written as, "The Goan inquisition is regarded by all contemporary portrayals as the most violent inquisition ever executed by the Portuguese Catholic Church." AND that written by Denis Louis Cottineau de Kloguen in his book "An Historical Sketch of Goa, the Metropolis of the Portuguese Settlements in India" (collected from "the most authentic sources") and presented to the British Asiatic Society and published in 1831. (reference courtesy of Frederick Noronha). http://books.google.com/books?q=Goa&btnG=Search+Books&as_brr=1 To quote: "Though we are far from justifying its (the inquisition) proceedings, we are at the same time obliged to declare, that many falsehoods and exaggerations have been advanced respecting it." page 61. and later, "tortures it inflicted ... in common with all the civil tribunals existing in the time it was erected." page 62 and later "the rigors of the inquisition were never exercised but against the Christians, and not even against individuals out of the Catholic communion..." page 63. Regards, GL PS: I would encourage the various authors and moderators whose published works have been edited and taken out of context to opine with data on this bulletin board (the largest cyber-Goan site) so that all Goans can know the correct facts about the GOAN inquisition. Cottineau de Kloguen wrote his detailed historical account of Goa not long after the inquisition ended in 1812. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] "GETTING MARRIED IN GOA" RELEASED
Plus Publications 603, Shiv Towers, Patto Plaza, Panjim. Goa. Tel: 91+0832+2464687, 9422058131. Telefax: 2464687 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 30 June 2006 "GETTING MARRIED IN GOA" RELEASED P R E S S R E L E A S E GETTING MARRIED IN GOA: The Complete Wedding Guide, now in its 3rd edition, was released by Chief Minister Pratapsing Rane and Chairperson of Bal Bhavan Mrs Vijayadevi Rane, on 30 June 2006, in Panjim. GETTING MARRIED IN GOA, Goa's first wedding guide serves as an indispensable tool for planning a perfect wedding. The Editorial Section of the Guide contains vital information on finding the right match, choosing the ideal wedding venues and service-providers, wedding checklists, legalities, honeymoon destinations, wedding traditions and customs, and much more. Some of the new features in this edition include ideas for low-budget and out-of-the- box weddings, smart honeymoon and travel planning, and a Bonus Section comprising post-marriage tips on keeping the marriage alive, setting up home and finances, etc. The Commercial Section includes listings of wedding-related products and services like venues, caterers, bands, photographers, MCs, travel companies, beauticians, etc. The popular Ready Reckoner of wedding venues, providing relevant information at a glance, has also been included. The 178-page publication has been edited by Ilidio de Noronha and Lester Fernandes, with research and editorial coordination by Cedric Silveira and editorial contributions from well-known writers in the field. The book has been published by Plus Publications, publishers of the capital's very own Panjim Plus and the State's first personal finance monthly Investor Plus. They have also published well-known guides like Old Goa: The Complete Guide. The Guide, priced at Rs 125, will be available through bookshops, leading wedding service-providers and cultural associations in Goa, India and abroad. For details, contact: (+91)9422058131, 9890950964. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Indian wheels on foreign fields
Indian wheels on foreign fields http://www.goodnewsindia.com/index.php/Supplement/article/196/ For a country that was mocked for having clung to Britains Morris Oxford, circa 1950s and calling it the Ambassador, auto-India has motored many smart miles. Indian automotives brand image is robust today thanks to some modest, but notable successes. Tata Indica is being badged as the MG CityRover for the UK market with a proud Made in India claim. This predictably brought on some snide put downs. But there were also vigorous defenders. One of them in a forum -- click this link and search for Rovertronsaid: .. so what if the CityRover is made in India? Many manufacturers make their cars in low labour cost countries; ever heard of Skoda? The article also failed to mention that Indica V2 is one of only two cars in India with a waiting list for customers. The CityRover has also received very positive reviews by other car journalists placing Top Gear in a minority of one If you bothered to research the Pune factory you would realise that it is very modern and state of the art For example, Pune does all the paint work for Mercedes and it holds the highest quality ratings for that work outside Germany.(Declaimer: GoodNewsIndia does not know if Rovertron is an Indian. Also, Tata Safari has been widely panned. ) Hamara Bajaj is selling its scooters briskly in the USA. It has positioned itself as an all metal scooter. Theres a whole page of raves from its users which you can view here.. The Bajaj Scooter has even a Yahoo group where over 90% seem to be committed fans. But by far the strongest showing is by Mahindra tractors in the USA. Its fairly low powered machines have many loyal customers. You can read them brag about their Mahindra at this page, or this, or this. And hey before we go, did you know that the Ambassador too is exported? The clunky car is now an icon, has fans around the world and has broken into the niche dominated by erstwhile East Germanys Trabant! === *~Jen Birmingham UK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/VascokarsUnited/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IEIGLC/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GoanStudentsAbroad/ == __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Goanet Reader: A poet and his work, an event and a review...
A POET AND HIS WORK; AN EVENT AND A REVIEW Brian "Last Bus To Vasco" Mendonca to read poetry at Calangute, July 22: Coastal North Goa's Calangute will host the poetry of Goan traveller-poet Brian Mendonca on Saturday July 22, 2006 at 5 pm. Delhi-based Brian will read from his debut volume of poems on Goa entitled 'Last Bus to Vasco: Poems from Goa,' published in April 2006. The event is being held at Cafe Literati, E/1-282, Gauravaddo, Calangute, run by lawyer Diviya Kapur, who is doing her bit promoting a love for literature and the printed word in Goa. Poems like 'Mapusa Memories' 'Souza Lobo' 'Sonya' and 'Fr Joseph Rowland Salema' all owe their inspiration to Bardez and places like Mapusa, Calangute, Sinquerim and Siolim, says Brian. Brian studied at St Xavier's College Mapusa, and went on to do his Phd in English Literature on the theme of the irrational in the Gothic novel. He currently works as an editor of children's books, with a leading publishing house in Delhi. When in Goa he stays at Mangor Hill Vasco. Specially-signed copies of the book priced at Rs 150 with audio CD of the poems in the poets own voice will be available for sale. Brian can be contacted via [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * http://www.museindia.com/showcon.asp?id=337 Neeti Sadarangani: On 'Last Bus to Vasco' PAINTING: (Copyright) 'The Cockrel' by Durlabh Singh REVIEW: Last Bus to Vasco: Poems from Goa Brian Mendonca. New Delhi, 2006. Last Bus to Vasco is a first book of poems by Brian Mendonca, a Goan poet who works with a publishing house in New Delhi. Not only is the book self published but it is also equipped with an audio CD complete with the poems in the deep voice of the poet and a background track of natural sounds. The poems emerge from Goa and gradually as the poetic canvas broadens they suffuse and rediscover themselves in the charm of a rail journey, the rushing landscape and the teeming life and culture between Goa and Delhi. Nostalgia underlies the poet's subconscious until realization dawns and he writes, "My heart is roaming/ In the wild blue yonder/ But where I lie/ will always be Goa/ Between the black soil of the plains/ And the red mud of the coast?" (A Peace of India, 16) Sea and marine metaphors drench Brian Mendonca?s collection of fifty poems. The poems weave the life of characters out of Goan Christian families, they document the changing face of old Goa; and the wanderer-poet's sense of history as he negotiates concerns, public, private and trans-national. Passing references to larger than life characters like Ibn Batuta, Tiresias, Ophelia etc. from history and literature magnify Brian?s ordinary characters and give them a shade of timelessness and drama. However, the poet's inherent simplicity and preoccupation with his immediate surroundings give to the poems a sense of 'isness'. Poems like Requiem to a Sal where he moans the cutting of a tree go beyond the personal as the poet connects with a larger reality: The world is too much with us! Alas Man! You exact too high a price To fashion yourself shelters through ruthless device. (3) Or the lone Eucalyptus tree in Balm of Healing in which Brian recovering from his mother's death finds solace in a Eucalyptus that stands tall and alone. The Eucalyptus speaks not only to Brian but to all who will listen: "Reach for the sky/ Even if you are alone".(47) The poems in Last Bus to Vasco are gentle in impact at the same time as they are interactive and restrained in their expression of the pathos and silent violence that underlies the daily craft of living. Traces of pain or effusive joy are missing, so also any judgement of sorts. This is an extremely private poet. The poet's approach to the world around him is passive as he gazes laconically upon all with a subtle strain of humour, wit and an acceptance of things. This is especially true of the train poems. They eat with fury on a south-bound train Papayas, apples, paranthas, cucumbers and phirni from plastic trays which they toss across the countryside. And the unoutstanding middle-class man asks me to exchange my berth for one in S3, I politely refuse and he shuns me for the rest of the journey... (UIMCF, 17) Brian's poetry has about it an intense new-age feel which is enhanced by the poet's unselfconscious use of multiple languages: the new-age sms lexis, the melting pot of Indian languages like Hindi, Marathi, Konkani and Gujarati, besides some Portugese and Latin which locate themselves upon the Goan soil and in the Christian dimensions of the poet's mind. The women that people Brian's world are Goan and have an alluring quality about them. Maria -- the flaxen haired -- mad woman, Souza Lobo swathed in the beauty of dusk, and Sonya the 'dawn girl, gaxer of sunsets', sand in (her) shoes, moonlight in (her) face are women swathed in the romance of beautiful poetry. The poet paints them as question marks, as areas of s
Re: [Goanet] FIFA : Viva Portugal
Technically yes. But the connotation varied. Forty years back, few people said the term referring to the World Cup. But, I guess, any excuse to return to Lusostalgia is good enough if that's your cup of tea. FN On 04/07/06, Paulo Colaco Dias <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Forty years ago, the word "Viva" meant exactly the same as today. > The meaning of the word did not change, except in some vivid minds... > > "Viva" means Cheers or best wishes. That is it. > > Paulo. -- -- Frederick 'FN' Noronha | Yahoomessenger: fredericknoronha http://fn.goa-india.org| +91(832)2409490 Cell 9822122436 -- 2248 copylefted photos from Goa: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Florianos response to Vivek - Jose Colaco "butts" inuninvited!
Dear Vivek, On a positive note, I am glad that you consider my response as "NO THAPOT". I, and by virtue of being one of the founders of the GSRP, the GSRP are doing our very best, all within our means, to do what we feel we must do for Goa as Goa's responsible sons and daughters. And, we do not, I repeat, do not mean no THAPOTs at any time, though, persons like Dr. Jose Colaco may interpret our arguments as that. BTW Dr. Jose Colaco is a dear friend of mine and he has been with GSRP all the time, in good times and in bad. However, it is unfortunate that he has mis-interpreted your queries as malafide, which in time, he will realise that these were all in good faith. I, on the contrary, may seem a bit too abrasive at times (only with friends and the persons I know and with whom I have been dealing with for a long time. Ex. persons like Fred). There is the famous Goan adage "MOG ASSA THUIM SHINN ASSA" As a matter of fact I welcome intense queries about the party that I helped found and I consider that only through these that we can come out clean. We, at GSRP are very much aware that politicians have conned the people most of the time and given politics the bad name. As I said to you THAT IS POLITIKING which is different from politics. Do feel free to communicate with me openly, through the forums if you feel like, or provately anytime you need clarifications on our understanding politics. I believe that if a person needs to form a lasting association with someone, all cobwebs must be cleared before venturing into such. You have made one point namely: >I think taking hard > decision which are perceived to be against the > majority ( like tenancy act) will only be viewed with > hostility. And I have taken note of it. Remember Vivek. Politicians have forgotten how to take hard decisions. They have been soft-pedalling for far too long. Some one has to call a spade a spade. I wonder if a sick person curses a doctor who prescribes a very bitter medicine for his cure. Me think, that person will always thank the doctor throughout his lifetime for saving his life. With that I shall end not before thanking you for your much appreciated response. rgds floriano goasuraj [Say NO to Second Term for MLAs] [Say YES to Goa's own Command in Goa] - Original Message - From: Vivek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 10:50 PM Subject: [Goanet] Florianos response to Vivek - Jose Colaco "butts" inuninvited! > Dear Floriano: > > Thanks for responding to my questions. I am sure you > did not intend them to be a "thapott" on my butt but > one Mr Jose Colaco seems to think so and he even sent > me a gaudily formatted email with 'thapott' written in > bright red large font for added emphasis. He says it > was so loud that he heard it in faraway bahamas or > wherever that 'fella' is from. > > I dont know how old that 'fella' is but seems to me he > needs to grow up! For starters I would like to request > him politely ( no thapotts or fonto !!) to refrain > from sending me private emails. > > As far as GSRP is concerned i think ur roadmap and all > is excellent but we being in a demoracy where its the > sheer number of votes that matter I think taking hard > decision which are perceived to be against the > majority ( like tenancy act) will only be viewed with > hostility. > > But I must reiterate that I hold you in high esteem as > a "doer" and though I might have many differences with > some of the views you hold I have no intention > whatsoever of belittling your efforts. > > That being said I look forward to corresponding with > you via Goanet minus thapotts of course! > > - vivek > > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > ___ > Goanet mailing list > Goanet@lists.goanet.org > http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Dual Citizenship: Did you get yours ??
I looks like mine (OCI) is granted after nearly 6 months (don't know why such a big delay, where it says it normally takes 30 days after the acknowledgment date i.e. 10th Jan.2006 This is what displayed when check online for my status: File(Acknowledgment) No:GBRLX Online Registration No: GBRLI00X Applicant's Name JoeGoaUk Date Of Acknowledgment: 10-JAN-2006 Application Status Registration Status: Granted On 26-JUN-2006 Photo/Signature: Scanned On 31-MAY-2006 Documents Printing Status: PRINTED Documents Printed On: 27-JUN-2006 Documents Despatched From Delhi On: 29-JUN-2006 Documents Received at LONDON On: 03-JUL-2006 Ordinarily, OCI Registration Certificate and Visa are available for delivery within 30 days from the date of acknowledgment. If there are any objections regarding Photographs/Signature/Thumb impression etc,the same should be cleared by the applicant by sending another copy of the document(s) to the concerned Mission/Office. You may find out your Application Status here.. http://www.mha.nic.in/oci/oci-main.htm or directly here.. http://ociindia.nic.in/ociindia/OnlineOCIenquiry.jsp Pl write if you got yours or still waiting etc. Thanks [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa & NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ Konkani Songs, Goan Photos, Tiatr/Film VCDs, Bank interest rates etc etc (for updates etc click below) http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/files/ ___ The all-new Yahoo! Mail goes wherever you go - free your email address from your Internet provider. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Goanet News: Goa tourism goes Down Under, to woo Aussies during their winter
GOA TOURISM GOES DOWN UNDER, TO WOO AUSSIES DURING THEIR WINTER By Pamela D'Mello [EMAIL PROTECTED] Goa is attempting to tap into the Australian travel market and into medical tourism to tide over its June to September lean season patch. State tourism minister Dr Wilfred de Souza held initial parleys with tour operators from down under late last month at the Australian tourism exhibition. Goa put up a road show in Sydney for travel business managers, besides meetings with the South Australian premier. "We have reason to believe that tours to Goa can be sold during the June-September months, when our rates are discounted and the Australians have their winter", said Dr de Souza. Tours from Australia are being considered seriously by at least one agency -- Spice Travels, owned by Austalians of Goan-Indian descent. Tourism officials are also currently exploring markets in China and the oil-rich former USSR constituent, and now a separate Republic of Kazakhstan. "At the September tourism fair in Moscow, we'll make special efforts to tap Kazakhstan," de Souza added. Topline hospitals from Goa similarly make their pitch marketed services at the June medical tourism fair in London. Medical procedures come at one-third of the cost, besides cut down on the long wait that patients go through for procedures in the UK. With at least two major private medical hospitals now set up in Goa, the state is throwing in recuperation packages tying up with discounted seaside luxury hotel accomodation as it USP over other medical tourism locations in India. Tourism marketing claim their efforts have notched major successess over the years. Direct charter flights from the UK, Germany, Scandinavia, Russia and Europe have increased from 690 flights in 2004-05 to 750 in the 2005-2006 season. Officials here say physcially marketing the destination at tourism trade fairs bring immediate results from tour operators. First time Spanish charters, they point to, opened last year from direct marketing. Seen as a major success in its tourism marketing strategies, the state though still falls short of attaining 365-day-year-round occupancy. Tourism dips sharply during the monsoon, with hotels offering upto 50% discounted room tariffs to conventions and group bookings to tide over. 'Raindrops tourism' agressively marketed in the past yielded only partial to poor results. "We have a string of corporate and dealer conferences this monsoon and two Indian weddings that have booked our entire inventory of 250 rooms," says Chyenquan Chang, associate manager sales at the Park Hyatt. Japan is on the state's radar too but officials here insist that the golf-loving Japanese will only arrive with the setting up of an 18-hole international standard golf course, now on the drawing board, but not without controversy. Proposed expansion of the lone airport is expected to ease a string of direct scheduled flights that have applied for landing slots, the minister said. Applications from Condor, Virgin Airlines, Emirates, Air Arabia, Span Air and Qatar Airways are pending with the DCGA, de Souza said. (ends) [The writer is Special Correspondent, The Asian Age] ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Direct Flights to Goa from USA
Marlon I have flown direct between Delhi and Goa and vice versa several times. I would be very disappointed if this schedule were discontinued. On another point, by paying a variable extra, but booking a little early if possible, premium class on the direct charter Gatwick (London) flights to Goa and back, allow for much better seating space, more luggage allowance and better grub. Last minute premium class accommodation is sometimes available at the airport to allow for a swap from economy class on Monarch flights for example. In April this year, I took an outward last minute swap for £80.00 (London/Gatwick to Dabolim) although told previously that all premium seats were taken up. I actually ended up among just eight passengers in accomodation for 48 in premium class! The rest of the plane was less than a third full too. Had I known this before taking off I would not have used up £80.00 (one way) unnecessarily in this instance as I do travel very light out of habit. As a frequent traveller, I am now pretty certain that the airline right hand does not know what the left hand is doing at most times regarding flight accommodation. At Heathrow, they also overbook on scheduled flights and do their best at the airport to get passengers to delay departure for reasonably good money and accommodation. This is excellent if one does not need to meet tight deadlines. Cornel - Original Message - From: "Marlon Menezes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 8:11 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Direct Flights to Goa from USA > >From CT which is on the east coast of the US, I would > say, the fastest route would be a flight to the UK, > followed by a charter flight from the UK direct to > Goa. The problems with this option are that the > charter flights are seasonal and they do not follow > the relatively generous baggage allowances for flights > that originate from the US. > > Another option would be to fly direct from Chicago to > Delhi followed by a flight from Delhi to Goa. However > I believe all flights to Goa from Delhi are not > direct. > Marlon > > --- "Frederick \"FN\" Noronha" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Depends where in the US you're flying to, I guess. >> Dunno if this is >> what you're looking for, but some of the flights via >> Seoul to the west >> coast of the US are quicker and also more >> inexpensive. --FN >> >> On 03/07/06, Gabe Menezes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> > On 03/07/06, neil rodrigues <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> > > Hi everyone, >> > > >> > > What is the shortest route to fly from USA >> (CT) to Goa, preferably avoiding a transit >> point/stopover in India. >> > > >> > > Regards, >> > > >> > > Neil Rodrigues > > ___ > Goanet mailing list > Goanet@lists.goanet.org > http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org > ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Talking Photos: Spot the Difference (new)
Vanishing campal beach ? Spot the difference Click on the pic for bigger view http://flickr.com/photos/joegoauk4/181421143/ In less than 24hrs See the wider gap, missing 2 red plants etc http://flickr.com/photos/joegoauk4/181421144/ Click on the pic for bigger view Rest of the photos...(updated) Pl visit here regularly for further updates etc http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/joegoauk/album?.dir=fc22re2&.src=ph&store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/joegoauk/my_photos [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa & NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ Konkani Songs, Goan Photos, Tiatr/Film VCDs, Bank interest rates etc etc (for updates etc click below) http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/files/ ___ Try the all-new Yahoo! Mail. "The New Version is radically easier to use" The Wall Street Journal http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] WORLD CUP
Gabe, Thanks for the polite rebuke on the poor quality of my English. It is not my stepmother tongue. How should I 'portuguese' and write? Arjun On 7/4/06 3:30 AM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Message: 9 > Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 07:30:12 +0100 > From: "Gabe Menezes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Goanet] WORLD CUP > To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" > > Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > On 02/07/06, Ricardo Nunes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> After the sad demise of HMER soccer team at the hands of a brutal and >> vicious Portuguese gang (ALA DOS NAMORADOS) I want to graciously extend a >> word of sympathy to you Gabe and Cornel and all other brown Brit Pandita >> imperial subjects of Hers (and Her beloved son and morganatic spouse). >> >> Regards >> >> Arjun > > RESPONSE: You are trying to be cute! Alas your style of writing I > cannot follow - perhaps you should write and portuguese, I am sure you > are better at that? > > -- > DEV BOREM KORUM. > > Gabe Menezes. > London, England ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Brazilian team jeered at on return
Brazilian team jeered at on return Xinhua Rio De Janeiro, July 4 (Xinhua) The Brazilian team were greeted by jeers from fans as they arrived in Sao Paulo following their World Cup exit. Some of the national team players arriving Monday at the International Guarulhos Airport from Frankfurt chose to use a private exit to avoid meeting journalists and angry fans in the lobby. Other players, such as team captain Cafu, passed through the lobby and had to face fans who shouted "traitor" and "mercenary" while he spoke to reporters. "We lost one match and it is not fair to erase all that was done by our winning generation of players. In four World Cups, we made it three times to the final match and we won the championship title in two," said Cafu. Head coach Carlos Alberto Parreira arrived in Rios Tom Jobim International Airport and had also used a private exit. He headed to a hotel where he held a press conference. "There was no lack of will. We have to stop looking for people to blame and admit France played very well. Zidane killed us. He is an outstanding player." There has been mounting speculation that Parreira would be replaced with Vanderlei Luxemburgo regarded as the most likely replacement. Luxemburgo, who coached the team between 1998 and 2000, currently works for local team Santos, following an unsuccessful period at Spain's Real Madrid. Most Brazilians, though, seem to prefer Luiz Felipe Scolari for the job. It is not clear whether Scolari, who headed the Brazilian team in the 2002 Cup and is currently coaching Portugal, would accept a possible invitation to resume work with Brazil. For many of the younger generation in Brazil, watching their team exit the World Cup before the finals was an unpleasant new experience. Eighteen-year-old Bruno Cunha said: "We were not even among the top four teams," Cunha said after France beat Brazil 1-0 in Saturday's quarterfinals. He was only two-years-old when Brazil was last stopped before the final match, which happened in the 1990 World Cup in Italy. Brazil won the championship titles in 1994 and 2002 and lost the final match to France in 1998. The older generations did not take the defeat easy either. The depressing atmosphere of downtown Rio after Brazil's loss contrasted with the excitement of the previous weeks. The horns were silent and the bars empty, while people collected the remaining national flags and green and yellow ribbons that ornamented almost all the streets and squares in the region. It is as if every Brazilian had a hangover. Besides the morale blow, Brazil's World Cup exit has also led to financial losses. Several companies had to cancel advertising campaigns in Brazilian TV networks, newspapers and magazines. The commercial promotions had football as their themes with some players featured, frequently Ronaldinho who had a disappointing performance in the tournament. On-going promotions have been suspended, while new ones will simply never be aired. Owners of shops that sell souvenirs with Brazilian team themes, such as T-shirts, shorts and flags do not know what to do with the stock. Bars and restaurants in Rio, which had served as gathering points for football fans, will have a total loss of 2 million reais ($910,000) in the wake of the team's elimination, estimates the sector association Abrasel-RJ. -- -- Frederick 'FN' Noronha | Yahoomessenger: fredericknoronha http://fn.goa-india.org| +91(832)2409490 Cell 9822122436 -- 2248 copylefted photos from Goa: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Final response to Fred Noronha's Salwar Khameez post
>From Fred Noronha 1: As usual, Jose Colaco is shifting the debate to some trival point, questioning historical accuracies, and moving away from more substantive issues. 2: My basic point is that we *patriarchal males* are very eager to discuss the exploitation of women from *other* communities, but not from our own (i.e. Catholic Goan)! 3: Avoiding any flame-baits that could further distract from the substantive issues. JC would see that the sati issue isn't as simplistic as the paediatrician in him seeks to make it out. See the details at the very end of this post. This comes from prominent and well-received feminist historical writing, not from some denialist Indian fundamentalist attempt at re-writing history. 4: But let's not lose sight of the main point... 5: Why point to "other" communities, when we are unwilling to discuss the condition of women among our own? I don't think the issue of wearing salwar khameez to school (some schools in Goa that is, a few who opt for them) is or should be such a major concern. 6: On the contrary, we need to hear what women on Goanet see as the bigger issues facing them. These include, probably, (i) alcoholism (ii) outmigration (iii) HIV/AIDS (iv) disinheritance of Catholic women, despite the laws (v) the glass-ceiling in employment (vi) severe patriarchy among the Catholic community -- yes, even Goanet (and most of the other fora) is a good example of this (vii) patriarchy and male-control of religion (look at the gap between the role women play in Catholicism, and the say they have in decision-making) and more... jc's response: Thank You Fred for doing your usual ghuspott. All I will say this am ( here ) in response to the above is as follows re 1: Well said. You are, after all, the best. re 2: If you had read the first THREE points of my original post, you would NOT have written what you wrote above. On the other hand you may have. Besides, the rights of human beings should be discussed across the board. Those rights are not violated because of religious affiliations - BUT by MEN from EVERY religion or non-religion. re 3: OK ...the pediatrics in me is making Sati issue simplistic ( As you note) - pray give us the benefit of your learned and non-simplistic view on that. re 4: I agree re 5 and 6: And yet Fred Noronha has chose to write about the very issue he says ' isn't or shouldn't be such a major concern'. I am hoping that he will direct us to the many posts he has written about the REAL and ADULT (as opposed to pediatric) ISSUES facing women in Goa or wherever e.g. (i) alcoholism (ii) outmigration (iii) HIV/AIDS (iv) disinheritance of Catholic women, despite the laws (v) the glass-ceiling in employment (vi) severe patriarchy among the Catholic community -- Thank You Fred. Thank You very much. I have said my bit. Pointless re-hashing what I have already said prior. I will now wait to read what Fred Noronha has written about the "Real Issues" facing women in Goa. He is (and I stand corrected if I am wrong) the MOST prolific Goan writer, forwarder, poster, etc on GoaNet good wishes from here - as always jc please visit "NEW" on The Goan Forum at http://www.colaco.net ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Safe water from SODIS and SPOWTS
Safe water from SODIS and SPOWTS http://www.goodnewsindia.com/index.php/Supplement/article/268/P1/ Two environmentally-soulful, low-cost technologies SODIS and SPOWTSare capable of producing safe drinking water from polluted water sources in remote areas. Both deliver sharp slaps on the notion of safe water having to come in priced bottles that are thrown away as litter. For those of us, now made forgetful by electric UV-treated water units in our homes, heres a quick primer on ultra violet rays [UV] and Ozone. The sun constantly radiates UV light, which if it enters the atmosphere unrestrained, is harmful to life. But luckily we have the ozone layer in the stratosphere. Ozone is a highly reactive form of oxygen and is equally destructive to life forms in large quantities. However, when UV meets the ozone layer, most of the former is blocked and absorbed. Which by the way, is the reason why we need an intact ozone layer. The purpose of this primer is to remind ourselves that diffused UV is everywhere around us in nature. When polluted water is exposed to UV or made to interact with ozone, harmful micro life forms are destroyed. The Solar Water Disinfection Process [SODIS], a Swiss innovation, is simplicity itself. Polluted water is prepared for treatment by nominal filtering for sediments. Discarded plastic bottles are cleaned, partially filled with water that is to be treated and shaken vigorously, in order to oxygenate it. The bottles are then filled fully, closed and placed in full sunlight for between 6 and 8 hours. The combination of heat and oxygen-UV interaction kills all pathogens, rendering water safe for drinking. Obviously SODIS works best in sunny climes which are also places where safe drinking water is a concern. The process is helped by placement of a black sheet under the bottle to enhance heating. Also, PET bottles are better than PVC ones. It must be remembered chemical, toxic pollutants are not removed by this process. SODIS is becoming popular in South America, Thailand and Kenya. In Kenya for example, people took quickly to the idea because their tradition was to wash and sun-dry utensils. Goes to show that when we go close to native-ways, a lot of good sense is revealed. You will find detailed practical help with the SODIS process at its official site. It is also worth browsing the links to gain an idea of SODISs potential. Solar Powered Ozone Water Treatment Systems [SPOWTS] is technologicaly a couple of notches higher than SODIS, but still quite friendly to use. It was introduced in Nepal by those concerned by the litter of empty water bottles that trekkers leave behind. Also, as trekkers found branded, bottled water more pricey as they moved away from market towns there was an economic opportunity that could lead to micro businesses. A SPOWTS installation consists of a solar photovoltaic panel driving a 1gm/hour ozone generator. Water to be treated is circulated by a small electric pump and made to interact with controlled dosages of ozone. Sagarmatha Pollution Control Committee has estimated that 11,508 litres of kerosene and 125,272 kg of firewood were used by organized Everest expeditions in 1996, equating to 256 tonnes of CO2 to make polluted water safe for drinking. SPOWTS is targeted to be a solution to this problem. It was developed in New Zealand by Empower Consultants and manufactured by Lotus Energy in Nepal and implemented by Himalayan Light Foundation. The whole exercise has been co-ordinated by Annapurna Conservation Area Program. So far 16 SPOWTS installations have come up in remote areas. Trekkers quite happily patronise these micro businesses. Empty water bottles are recycled and money stays in the village. SODIS and SPOWTS are worth the consideration of organisations involved in development initiatives. === *~Jen Birmingham UK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/VascokarsUnited/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IEIGLC/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GoanStudentsAbroad/ == __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Jesus and Jesuits in Goa
Summary: Jesus and Jesuits in Goa. By Peter Foster 3 Jul: The Daily Telegraph (UK). Excerpts: The crucifix is not always the focal point in Goa . at the Basilica of Bom Jesu the high altar is backed by a huge 15ft statue of St Ignatius of Loyola, covered in gold leaf and mounted high up in a golden background that rises 100ft at least from the floor of the church to the ceiling. . the thing that struck me was that I can't remember visiting a church where a saint occupied the place where most Catholic churches of that scale would hang a huge crucifix . Just who is being worshipped here? Jesus, or the Jesuits? Full text, 469 words and comments (1550 words so far) at http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/foreign/peterfoster/july06/jesusandjesuits. htm Peter Foster has been the Daily Telegraph's South Asia correspondent since January 2004. He lives in New Delhi Full Text: Posted by Peter Foster at 03 Jul 06 10:20 Jesus and Jesuits in Goa 3 Jul: The Telegraph Blogs. En route back to New Delhi today. Spent a lovely monsoon weekend in Goa dodging downpours and visiting some of the sights, including the magnificent Portuguese churches in 'old' Goa. The crucifix is not always the focal point in Goa Most spectacular of all is the Basilica of Bom Jesu whose high altar is backed by a huge 15ft statue of St Ignatius of Loyola, covered in gold leaf and mounted high up in a golden background that rises 100ft at least from the floor of the church to the ceiling. The church also houses the relics of St Francis Xavier, the patron saint of Goa, who died on a sea voyage to China but whose body (now encased in glass for the faithful to see) was found to have been miraculously preserved when it was repatriated to Goa. As someone educated by Christian Benedictine monks - although now a non-believer - I was always taught to be rather suspicious of the Jesuits. I remember one monk openly disparaging them for their 'pressure-cooker spirituality'. St Benedict, by contrast, was altogether a more genial, and forgiving man as can be seen from his 'rule' which, if I remember correctly from schooldays, is predicated on the fallibility of man. As always at India's great sights there was absolutely nothing to educate an ignoramus like myself as the history of the place - the touts were selling just about everything (chai, candles to make offerings, umbrellas etc) except for a usuable guidebook. It's an age-old criticism - and one repeated this week by the popular historian William Dalrymple in Outlook magazine - but India has a terrible track record of looking after its heritage - Mughal, Portuguese, British or Hindu. But back in that stunning church, the thing that struck me was that I can't remember visiting a church where a saint occupied the place where most Catholic churches of that scale would hang a huge crucifix, graphically depicting the redeeming sacrifice of Jesus Christ. I couldn't help wondering whether, as a member of the recently converted Goan congregation some four hundred years ago, I might not get confused as I cast my eyes up towards the high altar to see not a crucifix but St Ignatius of Loyola. Just who is being worshipped here? Jesus, or the Jesuits? Posted by Peter Foster at 03 Jul 06 10:20 Join the discussion at http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/foreign/peterfoster/july06/jesusandjesuits. htm ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Women of a lesser God - response to Gilbert
Hi Elizabeth Am a wee bit puzzled when you said that only Noah was saved in the Flood. Surely, there must have been a Mrs Noah to ensure procreation. Virgin births had yet to be invented. And of course, we know with a high degree of certainty that behind every great man is a greater woman. So, I choose to give more credence to Mrs Noah than her young man in this fairy tale. It is unbelievably hot in London too. Regards Cornel - Original Message - From: "Elisabeth Carvalho" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 5:00 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Women of a lesser God - response to Gilbert > Dear Gilbert, > Kitem re Gilbert irmao, makha "cafeteria Agnostic" > muta? :) Actually, I'm a full-blown buffet Agnostic. > Aren't you? Do you follow the Bible to the tee? If so, > then you must find comfort in believing that God > killed all the new-born of Egypt. Or that this > omnipresent, omnipotent God of ours is susceptible to > making mistakes which is why he decided to end the > world with a flood except for Noah. Just one human > being on the entire planet turned out according to > plan. Doesn't exactly inspire faith in his creation > does it? > > No, Gilbert we are all cafeteria people. Life is so > full of dichotomies, polarities, ironies and parodies > that to be rigid would not serve the evolution of > human thinking. > > So yes, I have plenty of grey in my thinking, plenty > of room to make amendments when new information comes > to light, plenty of nuances to colour my palate of > values and principles with exceptions and personal > beliefs, that don't infringe on public rights (such as > abortion). > > As Bishop Tutu once said, there is nothing black and > white in life. You have to believe by the skin of your > teeth that what you're doing is right and then do it. > > Have a wonderful 4th of July, Gilbert. The weather > here is wonderful, although a tad hot. > Elisabeth > - > > > --- Gilbert Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> My friend Mario admits he is a "cafeteria Catholic". >> Now it is time for my friend Elisabeth to admit >> that she is a "Cafeteria Agnostic". >> She gives the parents the right to have a feticide >> (a.k.a. abortion) but not the right to practice >> female feticide. I share with Elisabeth her dilemma >> to pick and choose. >> That automatically excludes her form being the >> "agnostic pope" (papi rather than papa). >> Churchure saibini! :=)) >> >> Kind Regards, GL >> >> >> ___ >> Goanet mailing list >> Goanet@lists.goanet.org >> > http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org >> > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > ___ > Goanet mailing list > Goanet@lists.goanet.org > http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org > ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Job Vacancy Urgent - Receptionist
Cynthia Fernandes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: To: "Cynthia Fernandes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> From: "Cynthia Fernandes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 09:59:23 +0400 Subject: [GOAN-NRI] Job Vacancy Urgent - Receptionist Receptionist The Candidate must have about 2-3yrs working experience in a large Multinational Organization as a receptionist. Must be able to provide an efficient and responsive telephone service to all callers, meeting call response standards consistently. Able to deal with a busy switch board having about 20 open lines and up to 50 extensions. Punctual attendance at switchboard and reception to promote professional practice and image Greet visitors cheerfully, maintain visitor's record, issue and retrieve security passes on completion of visit. Pleasant and presentable, a Professional with clear and courteous communication. Salary would depend on experience (should be in the range of AED 4000 + benefits) Interested candidates, please forward your CVs to Nelly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the job title in the e-mail subject box -- Cynthia __._,_.___ - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/attachments/20060704/0b351199/attachment.htm ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Goanet News Bytes * July 4, 2006 * Heavy rains hit Mumbai ... No to guided touris in Bom Jesus Basilica...
[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] / d8 Founded in e88~88e e88~-_/~~~8e 888-~88e e88~~8e _d88__ 1994 by 888 888 d888 i 88b 888 888 d888 88b 888 Herman "88_88" | e88~-888 888 888 __888 888 Carneiro / Y888 ' C888 888 888 888 Y888, 888 Cb "88_-~ "88_-888 888 888 "88___/ "88_/ Y http://www.goanet.org * Building social capital. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] * Mumbai thrown out of gear. Heavy rains hit train, flight schedules. Three dead. (Press Trust of India) * Navy chief Admiral Arun Prakash's kin Ravi Shankaran chargesheeted in war-room leak case. (PTI) * Guided tours inside the Bom Jesus Basilica at Old Goa to be stopped, following severe criticism that tourists were barging into the Basilica during religious services. (H) * Preet Mandir in-country adoption license suspended. A national TV news channel had brought to light alleged irregalities conducted by the Aldona-based organisation. (H) * Sanjit Rodrigues now MD of Goa Tourism Development Corpn. (H) * Portugal seeking first World Cup title. Portugal is the only team in this year's World Cup semis not to have won the title. Forty years ago, they finished in third place. (AP) * Portugal's Cristiano Ronaldo says no hostility with Manchester United teammate Wayne Rooney. (AFP) * People adjusting to new traffic plan, says Panjim mayor. (H) * Microfilming of birth, death records set to start. (H) * UP labourer found dead at Cuncolim. (H) * Velsao panchayat pays for works 'stayed'. (H) * Shantabai Shirvoikar resigns as Quepem civic chairperson.(H) * Rajasthan Bank opens branch at St Inez. (H) * Primary Health Centre Candolim organises malaria awareness drive at Don Bosco High School, Calangute. (H) * Goa Univ allows admission for B Pharm course. (NT) * Canacona fishermen oppose water-sports at Rajbag. (NT) * No-confidence move against Majorda deputy sarpanch Sucorrina Rodrigues. (NT) * Ravi Naik supports English as subject in Marathi primaries. (NT) * All talukas favoured English as subject: Luizinho. (GT) * Coastal authority told to inspect illegal Chapora fort construction.GT * Sunaparant photographer manhandled by Hospicio Class IV staff. (GT) * Section of road collapsed at Kesarwal, bringing down power pole.NT * Calangute murder of restauranteur Anuj Joshi (43), 10 quizzed. (NT) * 'Getting Married in Goa' comes out with third edition for guide.(H) * BJP says Std IX Hindi book 'Sparsh' has mistakes, seeks withdrawal. * Vichar Vibag (Intellectuals' Cell) of the Congress, headed by Uday Bhembre, has dashed off a letter to Cabinet ministers strongly opposing an amendment favouring the Roman script for Konkani. (H) * In Margao, the BJP joined hands with PCC general secretary Vijay Sardessai-backed councillors to oust Margao Municipal chairperson Ganashyam Shirodkar on Monday. (H) * Stop selling Goa: Compared to the real estate prices in the metros and other major cities of India, the property prices in Goa are still reasonable. This, in turn, has given rise to a new breed of brokers, who are out to make a fast buck and who are primarily responsible for the current inflation of real estate prices in Goa. Over the past few months, prices have increased by upto 50%. -- Felino D'Souza, in Herald. * At the peak of high season, Arambol beach was overrun with foreign tourists. The sands were crowded with young Israelis and Europeans, shacks filled to overflowing. But there was one Indian prominently visible. Incongruously dressed in business shirt, carrying a hefty briefcase, he made his rounds from new foreign-run establishment to new foreign-run establishment. A Delhi-based lawyer, he settled down for a coffee and had the following to say, " You Goans better get your act together, because my clients believe they can get away with anything here. We wouldn't allow it in Delhi. But here they have learned that anything goes..." -- V M de Malar, in Herald. * From the commercial world: Fish thali at The Palms, Hotel Samrat in Panjim. "Tasty Goan fish-curry rice, fried fish and vegetables, prepared in true Goan style. Perfect afternoon meal for the Goan at heart." * Tiatr artiste Marcelino de Betim released his new album 'Maichem Rogot' recently. (GT) * Duets are their forte and music really comes alive when Saby Fernandes and Natasha Oliveira perform together, writes Kurt Gidwani. Known for their laid-back retro music, the duo have captured hearts everywhere they play. (GT) * QUOTE... UNQUOTE: Helpful priest -- The parishioners were disappointed at the news of Fr Michael Fernandes' transfer from Sao Jacinto to Batim. He was helpful by nature and people from adjoining areas will also miss him. He was an advocate and helped people. -- Leonardo Lobo, Vasco. (GT) --
Re: [Goanet] Direct Flights to Goa from USA
>From CT which is on the east coast of the US, I would say, the fastest route would be a flight to the UK, followed by a charter flight from the UK direct to Goa. The problems with this option are that the charter flights are seasonal and they do not follow the relatively generous baggage allowances for flights that originate from the US. Another option would be to fly direct from Chicago to Delhi followed by a flight from Delhi to Goa. However I believe all flights to Goa from Delhi are not direct. Marlon --- "Frederick \"FN\" Noronha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Depends where in the US you're flying to, I guess. > Dunno if this is > what you're looking for, but some of the flights via > Seoul to the west > coast of the US are quicker and also more > inexpensive. --FN > > On 03/07/06, Gabe Menezes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > On 03/07/06, neil rodrigues <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > What is the shortest route to fly from USA > (CT) to Goa, preferably avoiding a transit > point/stopover in India. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Neil Rodrigues ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] FIFA : Viva Portugal
Forty years ago, the word "Viva" meant exactly the same as today. The meaning of the word did not change, except in some vivid minds... "Viva" means Cheers or best wishes. That is it. Paulo. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frederick "FN" Noronha Sent: 03 July 2006 15:10 To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! Subject: Re: [Goanet] FIFA : Viva Portugal Forty years ago it meant one thing. Today it means another. Just goes to show: time heals all wounds? Or, time wounds all heels? FN -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.8/380 - Release Date: 30/06/2006 ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] World Cup; Germans favourites, Portugal least favoured...
World Cup Betting Odds Germany 9/5 France 23/10 Italy 3.5/1 Portugal6.3/1 -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London, England ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
