date:20060819

And while on the subject, let me sing a song of praise to our own
pediatrician in Goa, Dr Lilly Sequeira-Sukhija (some may know her as
the daughter of the late Jack de Sequeira, and wife of Mr Sukhija who
runs the Panjim Inn, if I got my names right).

Not for nothing is she popular among so many parents in Goa. She has
brought up a generation of kids (as has Dr O Nazareth in Mapusa,
another well-appreciated doctor.)

Dr Lilly talks to young mothers as if she was their mother-in-law. In
a very firm but friendly manner. "You're mad or what?" she would
sometimes ask an overly-worried mother, in a simultaneously familar
and friendly manner, immediately putting her fears to rest, when a
child is struck by a routine monsoonal or change-of-weather ailment.
She's the last one to push that does of now-fashionable antibiotics or
unnecessary vaccines on her young patients. Before prescribing
medicines, she first asks the parents what they have with them at
home. This is strange, at a time when a growing number of doctors seem
to want to ensure that the pharma business keeps in business. Doing
good business.

Talking about paediatricians, our own Dr Jose Colaco is there. But one
has never had the chance to consult him, since he is sitting half-way
around the world. Or maybe, I am. --FN

On 19/08/06, Mervyn Lobo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> According to my wife, our child has not yet seen a
> pediatrician. Maybe were are just lucky. However, my
> wife also says that the norm here in Canada is to see
> a family doctor first--
---
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http://fredericknoronha.wordpress.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [Goanet] Goans and the Parsi Community/response Roland

Dear Roland & Mervyn,

In this connection I also want to say that strong
bonds between the Parsi and Goan also existed in the
Gulf. Whether these were carried on from those that
existed in Bombay, or whether the Parsi felt a natural
inclination to bond with another diasporic figure, I
do not know. Parsi bosses almost invariably had a
fondness for that very quintessence of Goan
professionalism in the Gulf, the Goan secretary.

Selma
--

--- Mervyn Lobo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Roland Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > The Goan people in Bombay had the strongest bond
> > with the Parsis, among all 
> > other Indian communities. There is no basis in
> > contemporary history for that 
> > bond, except that both these communities served
> the
> > British Raj loyally and steadfastly. 
> 
> 
> Roland,
> The "bond" the Goans had with the Parsis were not
> restricted to Bombay alone. A similar relationship
> existed in the early 1900's in E. Africa.
> 

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[Goanet] Kovita: Agostachi Vis Tarik

2006-08-19 Thread lino dourado

Agostachi Vis Tarik

A smitai vhorunk visrunk na
G oem soddun pordesan vhetana
O stom, dokxinn sonvsar bhonvtana
S onskrutaen amchi fatt soddlina
T iatr, mandde, deknni dulpodam
A mchem daiz samballun dovorlam
C hali-riti utsov-festam
H ansun khelltat pordeshi Goenkaram
I xttagottichim banddun doram

V eg-veglea sobhavache Goenkar
I tihas-ache poromparen ghusla
S onstha, klub ekvott samballta.

T arik vis Agostachi 1992
A mkam ek vhodd anondachi
R ajbhas Konknni amchi
I ndia-che 8ve ghottnen bhitor kaddli
K huxalkaen World Goa Day palltat ami

Lino B. Dourado
 (Utodddekar)





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[Goanet] Are there any Goans in the Lusofonia games team?

2006-08-19 Thread Bernado Colaco

The Lusofonia games are to be held in Macau from the
7th to 15 October. 

A brief glimpse of the team shows that there some
outsiders having names as Kumar and Imran Khan as
members of the team for Taekwondo event and it is
believed they are sure medal winners according to one
Shirodkar. Does anybody know the constitution  of the
Goa team? 

Goa is taking part in 6 of the 8 events: Athletics,
football, taekwondo,table tennis, volleyball indoors
and beach volleyball.

BC



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Re: [Goanet] The rule about names & women

Dear Frederick,

You may be surprised how many silent women readers
there are on the net that don't feel inclined to post.
One issue maybe the testosterone-fueled subject range
may not hold interest for women. To that end I am
trying to write on some subjects that may interest
women and hopefully bring them out of hiding. The
other reason is, for anyone to survive on forums, one
has to be as tough as nails and many women shy away
from wanting to swim with the sharks.

selma
 

--- "Frederick \"FN\" Noronha"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> We had a lot more women members on Goanet then. 

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[Goanet] Book Review "Penance": A novel by Ben Antao

2006-08-19 Thread Silviano Barbosa

Book Review by By Silviano C. Barbosa, author of the novel, The Sixth 
Night

August 19, 2006

Novel, Penance by Ben Antao
Publisher Goan Observer, Goa, India
Soft cover, 329 Pages

I have just finished reading the Canadian novel, Penance by Canadian Goan 
author Ben Antao and published by Goan Observer, Panjim, Goa, India.


Its too bad the North American publishers still shy away from Goan novels 
and novelists. I am sure if Rohinton Mistry had submitted this novel to 
Alfred Knopf or any other big name publishers, it would have been published. 
 But Rohinton has not yet published any Canadian based novel so far, a fact 
not ignored by his Canadian critics.


Author Ben Antao has succeeded in his first foray into a mainstream Canadian 
novel. The fact that Ben has based this novel on a more than familiar 
Catholic way of life and the fact that he is married to his Canadian born 
wife and also the fact that he worked as a professional high school teacher 
in Toronto, has all worked very well for him in his portrayal of the 
Canadian Catholic teachers intricate way of life in this Canadian novel. As 
a result the ethnic novelist leaves no stone unturned in making it a full 
fledged Canadian novel, and not an ethnic one.


This novel is well written with some lively scenes, flashbacks, monologues, 
a keen human observation and a precise narrative. The book has been well 
edited. The novel is just about 60,000 words, a little too short for a full 
fledged novel, and the reader ends up wanting for more. But the author makes 
up for this by using double line spacing, which makes the book much easier 
and faster to read and also makes it 329 pages long.


The first part of the novel follows the pattern indicated on the books 
blurb, as the author uncovers the background of his characters with his 
typical show-and-tell craft,   which most modern novelists adhere to. The 
second part is lot more interesting and as the novel comes almost to an 
unexpected end, it holds the readers undivided attention so much so that 
you cant possibly put the book down as the tragic end just bowls you over.


The author employs so much of his Catholic religious belief and doctrine in 
his writing as the novel progresses and regresses with flash-backs and 
transitions and taking us back to the sixties, that it almost looks like you 
are reading Bible at times, replete with visuals of existence of God and 
some explicit sex thrown in, all at the same time and on the same page. The 
imagery used in this novel, especially the conservative way of life of all 
the characters, who happen to be staunchly Catholic, and who eventually 
become teachers, shapes up a real world full of living colours.


The author skillfully puts all pieces of the jigsaw puzzle together in the 
story and switches between characters seamlessly and makes transitions very 
easy on the reader. I must point out I had a little hard time figuring out 
the timeline of the story though. The book is heavy on emotions, except in 
one case where I was certainly looking forward to a really emotive meeting 
between the father and his young son, who longed to see his father after a 
long separation from his mother, but unfortunately the author missed a great 
opportunity to quench the readers thirst for this sensational reunion. But 
the end is completely captivating and suspenseful, and makes up for all the 
logical sequences in the first part. I found all four characters to be too 
perceptive of each other, a fact not too common in real life.


All the scenes are eloquently accomplished, complete with minute details 
such as the facial and body features and even the clothes, the deportment 
and demeanor of each character. Seans (the son) character, which was more 
conspicuous by its absence in the first half, figures prominently at the 
very end.  The morality of the story may not have much bearing or relevance 
in todays modern times, but it did occupy a pride of place in the Catholic 
society right up to the sixties, and brings lots of nostalgia to those who 
lived through those innocent times.


After reading this novel, if you are a true believer in the Roman Catholic 
Church, you will never look at the opposite sex in a luscivious way, 
especially if you are married or committed, else you would have to pay for 
your dear life with grave consequences as depicted in this novel. 
Ultimately, no matter what you believe in, you will have to pay for your 
sins. There is no free lunch. Like they say in Goa Korit to Bogit. And pay 
you must, either now or later, as the title aptly says it all, through 
Penance!


I loved this novel!

Silviano C. Barbosa,
Author of the novel, The Sixth Night
http://ca.geocities.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
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Re: [Goanet] The rule about names

--- "Frederick \"FN\" Noronha"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>Do you guys remember the time when Herman suspended
>a member, sometimes in 1996 or so? I recall though
>most of us were angry with that person who got
>suspended (I don't recall who it was). But after the
>suspension, there was a whole lot of sympathy for
him.
>

If I am not mistaken, the poor guy reacted strongly in
private to bigoted private hate-emails from a internet
troll called Nguyen or Nyugen, and the latter
character then posted his expletive-laced private
email on Goanet. The Nguyen guy was really nasty, but
he did all his serial abuse in private. Several of us
with Hindu-sounding names, or with some affinity
towards India or things Indian, were targeted by him.
Perhaps, he is still around as a silent netter. He may
even have been posting under his real name or another
pseudonym.

Cheers,

Santosh
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Re: [Goanet] Goan victim of racism in the UK

Hi Gabe
 Thanks for providing, on Goanet, the letter from E. Pinto. I feel very 
sorry for the young student's very bad experience. There can be no excuse 
for it whatsoever and I hope the English people in Goa will have read about 
it in the Herald.

By way of  comment, although it is quite remarkable how millions of visible 
minorities have settled quite satisfactorily in the UK over a relatively 
short period of time, nationally, there are many reported incidents as 
above. The number that go unreported must be even greater. Sadly, such cases 
can emerge out of the blue but sometimes peak in crisis times. A link, in 
this instance seems to be the alleged terrorist activitry of some groups.

I hope E. Pinto's friend will somehow get over his painful experience at the 
hands of three moronic yobs. His college counselling service may be able to 
provide some help too. The only solace I can offer is that, although my 
family and I, and wide circle of acquaintances have  not encountered such a 
bad experience ever over a period of decades, it can help to be able to read 
anticipatory signs for such possibilities, particularly in poorer 
geographical areas. With this in mind, I would be happy to be in touch with 
E. Pinto as well as any new students from Goa starting College in the UK 
soon.
Cornel DaCosta, London.
- Original Message - 
From: "Gabe Menezes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" 
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 5:19 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Goan victim of racism in the UK


> http://oheraldo.in/node/18058
>
> Goan victim of racism in the UK

> I am a Goan, marine engineering student studying at the South Tyneside
> college, South shields, Tyne & Wear, United KIngdom. The following
> incident has taken place and would be grateful if you would include
> this in the Letters column of ur esteemed newspaper.


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[Goanet] Bad Example

2006-08-19 Thread John Eric Gomes

  DEGENERATION IN MORALITY AND ETHICS

   The brutal killing of  Mander by his friends, law
students,  for  easy life of liscence, and greed for big money shows  what
degeneration in morality and ethics going unchecked can do! Religion  of all
these boys has  not been able to overcome worship of money.This is
alsoclearly showing in our highest forums of governance, the Lok and Rajya
Sabha. The CAG reports cannot control  avariciousness of our RULERS! The
purchase of luxury aircraft for Ministers,
proposed  dilution of RTI, sending OoP  Bill back to The President
twice(luckily, we have a principled President, and even he is rendered
helpless), increasing the MPLAD scheme to 2 crores instead of scrapping it,
and now  giving themselves a
further hefty hike in salaries , doubling pension AND increase of
constituency allowances  and more, quickly passed ,inspite of all their
considerable perks and shameful showing on the floor of the House, sets  a
bad example for others to follow." CHALTA HAI " ATTITUDE CARRIES ON
REGARDLESS. I read  that a 67 strong  Goa contigent  is proceeding to Macau,
out of which 46 are sportspersons and 21(so far, ie about half) are
officials! In this
Television and internet age, there is no need for Sports
Minister,Presidents, Secretaries etc to go on  foreign jaunts at the
slightest excuse. Isnt there enough work for them  here?Who gives
permission,sanctions funds, gets anything out of this ?With parents and
citizens jumping on this bandwagon, abdicating responsibility , what kind of
society are we creating?



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Re: [Goanet] Sonapur Church

2006-08-19 Thread Eugene Correia

I remember the small restuarant in the lane where
there was David & Co. The restaurant was opposite the
back entrance of Snowflake.
It belonged to Timothy, a known bootlegger. He a
Mangalorean and his wife a Goan. Timothy was later
shoat at and paralyed. He had by then moved to a posh
apartment in Cuffe Parade. Not sure if he is still
alive.
He had many problems with Snowflake, who were my
friends. Once he picked up a fight and I happened to
be there. I called the Princess Street Police Station
where I knew some officers.
They went to his house and he, seen that these
policemen were not familiar faces as his area came
under the Bori Bunder Police Station, he raised a
stick.
One of the officers later told me that had he struck
any of us he would have shot him. They dragged him,
almost naked, across the Snowflake floor to their van
parked on the front side of Snowflake. Timothy used to
pay "apta" (bribe) to the Bori Bunder police, whose
head was an anglo-Indian, a tall and beefy man. (I
forget his name). 
Timothy also owned another restaurant in the lane opp
Snowflake's front entrance. It is in a gully.
Timothy wanted to buy Snowflake but since the owners
turned down all his offers he was angry with them. So,
he began to harass them.

Eugene Correia


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Re: [Goanet] Sonapur Church

2006-08-19 Thread D'Souza, Avelino

Bastora and Anjuna/Vagator clubs are above Kayani restaurant and Guirim
club is on the second floor of Dinsha Mahal.  From the balcony of
Bastora union we had a clear view of municipal library, Bastani, snow
flakes, Vienna, fruit kiosk...

In the early 80's my friends at Bastora union showed me Lorna walking to
and fro from her work place.  Amazingly they knew the precise time she
passed by.

The balconies are no more after the renovation.  Fond memories of my
stay in Bastora union during the summer vacation back then.


Avelino



Hi,

There is also one house in the lane of David and Co, which caters food
and
is crowded in the afternoons, with lots of Goans who eat there. I
believe
the people who do the catering are Mangloreans. It was a chance
happening
that I heard of this place and really enjoyed the food. 

As for Hotel Vienna, its now a lodging with rooms available. Last time I
had
gone there, their restaurant business had closed down. 

As for the water melon juice as mentioned by Eugene, I tried in Mapuca
in
the cold drink shop near the temple, ( not Hanuman cold drink shop) and
it
really sucked, I would give 100 marks for the one available in Kayani.

Cheers

Jerry Fernandes 



From: Edward Verdes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Eugene, Bastani is closed, Kyani is still open...

In Jan when I went down for my usual quota of Konkani music
cassettes, Bastani was closed. I remember the cashier used
to keep a live cock at the cash counter. On 3rd Marine street, 
there is a restaurant 'Nova Goa' but they were not so good.
Edward Verdes


> It was mentioned that Joe Rose had a restaurant. His
> father had a hair-cutting saloon. 
> As for the other Goan restaurants, Snowflake is still
> running. But the restaurant is divided, with one part
> as a nursery school.
> Last year had bread pudding and "market" (chai/coffee
> mix), later same week watermelon juice at Bastani.
> Surprised to know Kyani closed down.
> In Toronto, a new Indian restaurant has been started
> by Goans who served Goan dishes. It had a stall at
> Viva Goa and from where I ordered bhel puri. The
> lineup for Goan dishes was too long.
> 
> eugene

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Re: [Goanet] 2 interesting links & my full name

--- Aristo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Why doesn't America believe in evolution?
>
>http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=mg19125653.700
> 

Aristo,

This is a major problem right now. Miller's survey and
the fact that 14 U.S. states have pending legislation
that would mandate the introduction of unscientific
religious creationist ideas in the high school science
curriculum, have raised an alarm within the science
community. This year's annual meeting of American
Association for the Advancement of Science was devoted
substantially to addressing this problem.

Cheers,

Santosh
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Re: [Goanet] Domnic's Silver Jubilee at work

2006-08-19 Thread Bosco D'Mello

Congratulations Domnic! May Silver not turn to Gold, in this case, so that you 
can enjoy the fruits of your labour in a foreign land. I'm sure you are 
looking forward to a retired life that will include living in Goa - your 
beloved Gaumvaddy in Anjuna.

And yes please keep those keys clicking in harmony with the neurons in the 
depth of your mind, that bring forth such unimaginable articles from a 
refreshing perspective unheard of.

Looking forward to the publication of your book.

Viva!

- Bosco

On Fri Aug 18 08:16:14 PDT 2006, Cecil Pinto wrote:

Just wanted to let everyone know that our very own Domnic Fernandes, who 
has been regaling us with his recounting of what happened in the Goa of 
yore, today completes 25 years working for Saudi Aramco.

I am sure many will join me in wishing him all the best and hoping that his 
pen never runs dry, or to put it in modern terms, that his memory stick 
never fails!
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[Goanet] Gilbert's Benign neglect

2006-08-19 Thread Aristo

Hi Gilbert,

I think Santosh and the gang is just over reacting to what you said
about atheists, smokers and people who cheat. I , on the other hand,
think you are on to something here, and would love for you to
elaborate with your long and thoughtful responses  to these few
questions. These are not Yes or No answer questions, as you have made
it clear that I would think of you as a sucker otherwise, and that is
certainly not so.

Q1) What is immoral about benevolent atheist/agnostic, that is, if it
is not an "oxymoron" (your current favorite word) ? Do you have a
benign neglect towards atheists like Helen Keller, Abraham Lincoln,
Benjamin Franklin, George Bernard Shaw, Jawaharlal Nehru, John Stuart
Mill? Why?

Q2) What is immoral about smokers who smoke in private, and do not
affect the health of others but themselves?

Q3) What is immoral about divorcee's who come to mutual and amicable
agreement of seperation (considering equal custody of the children)?

Q4) What is the moral equivalence of the above three people, who do
not hurt anybody else, to the people who cheat on their partner, thus
hurting the partner?

Q5) Why is it only theists can be moral and atheists cannot be?

Eagerly awaiting your reply. Don't feel inhibited to write a long one.
The longer, the better. Thanks.

Cheers,
Aristo.
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[Goanet] World Goa Day Local Area Contact - Do Join/Enjoy Your Day

2006-08-19 Thread Melvyn Fernandes

Aggasim GoaJoel De Souza
Arusha  TanzaniaRay Travas
Bahamas   Jose Colaco
BangloreFausto Cardozo
Birmingham   England   Jen Lewis
BrisbaneAustralia Joy de Souza
Calgary  CanadaWilson Soares
Colvale   GoaWendell Rodricks
Dar es Sallam Tanzania Savio Fernandes/Angela Mascarenhas/Brian 
Fernandes
Dhahran  KsaDomnic Fernandes
Doha   Qatar  Jerson Vaz / Simon D silva
Dubai  Uae Conny and Maria
Frankfurt   Germany Mariano Pereira
Karachi   Pakistan  Allan Goveas/Deborah 
Santamaria/Gavin D lima
Leicester EnglandSeby Fernandes/ Jaqui Ridrigues 
/Doris Gomes
LisbonPortugal   Leao Jose Fernandes
London   England   Caitan Braganca/ Egito Ricardo / 
Melvyn Fernandes
Los AngelesUSARalph Figueirado
MalagaSpain   Basilio Magno
Melbourne  Australia Oscar Lobo
Mhapsa   Goa Miguel Braganza
MombasaKenya  Brenda Abranches/Angelo Pereira/Theo 
Dsouza
Montreal Canada Felix Dsa
Moorabbin  Australia  Oscar Lobo/Nascimento Caldeira
Moshi Tanzania  Ray Travas
Mozambique   Nuno Rego
Nairobi   Kenya   Dr Joyce Shamshudin
New Delhi   TBA
New York  USA Amar Mehta/Ralph Dsouza/Glenn Dcruz
New Zealand   Corvin Carvalho
NSW - Australia  Nicole and Alison Dsouza/Glenn 
Dcruz
Oman   Sebastian Almeida
Panjim   GoaBevinda Collaco/ Ethel Da Costa
Sidcup   England  Chris Pinto
SouthamptEngland   Celia Coutinho
Swindo  England   Urban Dsouza
Sydn  Australia Priya Carvalho
TangaC Rebello
Toro   Canada   Oscar Furtado/ Stephen D Silva
VancoverCanada   Cleto Dos Remedios
West Windsor USA  Felix Menezes
Wood GreenEngland Candy Fernandes

For Details Goto worldgoaday.com

Compiled by Melvyn Fernandes from available records, please send news of your 
events discussion so that we can jointly compile an e newsletter, sernd this to 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] or Letter post to 65 Windsor road, Thornton Heath,Surrey CR7 
8HJ England
With Acknowledgements to
Rene Baretto for his support
Bosco Dmelo & Goanet Team
Dr Jose Colaco Goan Forum
John D Sousa Margao Net Moderator
Dr Amit Dias Goa Medical College
Mario Fernandes Malar Goa
Dr Abav Vaida Goan Doctors Abroad
This years theme is Excellence through Unity, through the Alliance of Goan 
Organisations and as individuals working together we can combine our wealth of  
Knowledge to work with Administrators etc in GOA  and among ourselves across 
the Global Village all willing.
HAVE A HAPPY GOA DAY
Melvyn Fernandes


   
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[Goanet] Hitler

2006-08-19 Thread Gilbert Lawrence

Now that this discussion on Hitler is into a more intellectual stage, I would 
like to add my two cents.

>From my first-hand conversations with German-Americans who lived in Germany 
>during the war, one needs to separate the Third Reich rule in the first half 
>from the second half of the regime. Most Germans and others agree that Hitler 
>and the Nazis were great during the first half of their reign. During this 
>period, they pulled the country out of internal political and economic chaos 
>and provided national self-respect after World War I.  Hence the Pope and the 
>Church may for very good reasons supported Hitler for the first period. The 
>right-wing regime was also a bulwark against the neighboring communist USSR.

So the take home message, form this case study is that people change. Power 
corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.  

Just because something / opinion is written in black and white, it does not 
make it true/ factual / correct.  Some individuals like to quote books without 
knowing the authors' agenda. Some refuse to accept the bias even after 
"studying" the work. They rather parrot, refer and interpret the material 
endlessly, to support their own agenda and perspectives.  

The third aspect, is the limitations of looking at history from a narrow and 
focused perspective. For starters, historians view events in a short time 
capsule.  Ten years of evolving history may be compressed into one page. This 
gets further distorted if the historical actions are separated from the 
social-political-economic and other historical environment of the time. 
This is like someone trying to analyze the current Iraq war without linking it 
to the atmosphere post 9/11/2001. Or trying to analyze the London bombings 
without a connection to far-away Iraq and Afghanistan. That will likely be done 
50-100 years for now. 

Finally, the pope is accused of being silent while the Holocaust occurred. How 
much does the State of Israel today heed the requests from the Church to end 
the genocide of the displaced Palestinian people?  Other popes received a 
similar reaction to their pleas and prayers to stop the wars in the Mid-East 
over the last twenty years.  So the Pope's desires and success / failure are 
easier debated than accomplished.

Kind Regards, GL 

--- Frederick wrote:

* Cornwell, like other scholars, made use of the Vatican archives to research 
the conduct of Eugenio Pacelli, both as Nuncio to Germany and as Pope.  Thus, 
according to Cornwell, Pope Pius XII facilitated the dictator's rise and, 
ultimately, the Holocaust 

* The nature of the Nazi Party's relations with the Catholic Church is 
also complicated. Before Hitler rose to power, many Catholic priests 
and leaders vociferously opposed Nazism on the grounds of its 
incompatibility with Christian morals. Nazi Party membership was 
forbidden until the takeover and a policy reversal. At his trial Franz 
von Papen said that until 1936 the Catholic Church hoped for a 
Christian alignment to the beneficial aspects he said they saw in 
national socialism. (This statement came after Pope Pius XII ended Von 
Papen's appointment as Papal chamberlain and ambassador to the Holy 
See, but before his restoration under Pope John XXIII.) In 1937 Pope 
Pius XI issued the encyclical Mit brennender Sorge condemning Nazi 
ideology. The Catholic opposition to the euthanasia programs led them 
to be quietly ended in August 28, 1941, (according to Spielvogel pp. 
257-258,) but the German Catholics never protested Nazi anti-Semitism 
in any comparable way. In Nazi Germany, all known political dissenters 
were imprisoned, and many priests were sent to the concentration camps 
for their opposition, including the parson of the Berlin Cathedral 
Bernhard Lichtenberg. Among the punished priests were Poles persecuted 
primarily for their nationality. However, Hitler was never directly 
excommunicated by the Catholic Church and several Catholic bishops in 
Germany or Austria are recorded as encouraging prayers of support for 
"The F?hrer;" this despite the fact the original Reichsconcordate of 
Germany with the Holy See proscribed any active political 
participation by the priesthood.
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[Goanet] Agostachi Vis Tarik

2006-08-19 Thread r.barreto

  00 
 


Agostachi Vis Tarik 

A smitai vhorunk visrunk na 
G oem soddun pordesan vhetana 
O stom, dokxinn sonvsar bhonvtana 
S onskrutaen amchi fatt soddlina 
T iatr, mandde, deknni dulpodam 
A mchem daiz samballun dovorlam 
C hali-riti utsov-festam 
H ansun khelltat pordeshi Goenkaram 
I xttagottichim banddun doram 

V eg-veglea sobhavache Goenkar 
I tihas-ache poromparen ghusla 
S onstha, klub ekvott samballta. 

T arik vis Agostachi 1992 
A mkam ek vhodd anondachi 
R ajbhas Konknni amchi 
I ndia-che 8ve ghottnen bhitor kaddli 
K huxalkaen World Goa Day palltat ami 

Lino B. Dourado 
(Utodd’dekar) 

 
 
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Re: [Goanet] Shut-up, men!

2006-08-19 Thread Jorge/Livia de Abreu Noronha

And so many other words which are etymologically Portuguese but are now
completely and firmly rooted in "amchi bhas", used by all irrespective of
social stratum or religion, and niched - as Fr. Loiola Pereira very well
puts it - in respectable Konkani lexicons. Their number is legions, I should
say. I am referring to such words as "konsumisanv", "amizad", "burak",
"kopel", "irmid" and many more; and, to speak of hybrids, how about
"xekiment" (from the Konkani "xekim" and the Portuguese ending "mente")?

Jorge

- Original Message - 
From: "Joaquim Loiola Pereira" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2006 3:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Shut-up, men!


> Paulo,
>
> Kujin, kuzner, patrao, sossegad (like zonel, mez, igroz, kazar) are
> etymologically Portuguese words which are used also by Hindus while
> speaking
> Konkani. Add to it falsidad, kuriosidad, maldisanv, konfusanv and even
> hybrid Konkani-Portuguese words like kerkerasanv and sogleament! Some of
> these words are niched in respectable Konkani lexicons written by Hindu
> Konkanists.
>
> Joaquim.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: "Paulo Colaco Dias"
>
> Richard, before the English words, lots and lots of Portuguese words were
> introduced into catholic Konkani such as vestido, cozinha, juramento,
> cozinheiro, patrao, sossegado, (!), (a)cabar, etc. etc.
>

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[Goanet] The Goan literary tradition - what does the future hold?


Reading the E-Seniors notebook, I am struck by how
strong the literary tradition is, in Goa. The
beautiful narratives transport us to a time most of us
are unaware of and would be lost forever but for the
eloquent words of these men and women.

It is amazing how a small state in India managed to
produce so many great writers spanning four languages.
The feat is akin to that of Ireland. It is said that
the lush Irish green, its wet weather and a hoary
Celtic imagination often fueled by myriad spirits is
what brings out the writer and poet in the Irish.
Certainly we share the green, the wet and the spirit
in its many forms, with the Irish. There is a
wandering minstrel and poet in every Goan soul and it
stirs to life with pen and paper.

Much of Goa's unpublished talent that came of age as
the colonial era snaked to an end, doubtless received
little encouragement to follow a life in the arts.
Nevertheless the wandering mistral persevered amidst
this reluctance. Some became professors at
universities and took to writing only part-time. 

The generations that followed fared much worse. The
choice after secondary schooling was narrowed down to
three streams of education, science, commerce or arts,
of which arts was definitely looked upon with much
disdain. Perhaps the quantum of those that followed
their literary ambitions had diminished but certainly
not the zeal and the talent, which is evident in the
prolific writers of Goa today.

What does the future hold for the Goan literary
tradition? It is for the literary luminaries of today
to pave the way, to battle outmoded ideas that exist
surrounding a life involved in the arts and create
opportunities for young writers to put their best pens
forward. A society bankrupt of its artistic heritage
and future is a society bereft of imagination, values,
foresight and ultimately its soul.


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[Goanet] Compiled List of MESSAGES FOR WORLD GOA DAY -2006

2006-08-19 Thread r.barreto



OO 
CANADA 
0 


ooo 
MESSAGE FOR WORLD GOA DAY - 
Oscar Furtado - President GOA TORONTO , Canada. 
ooo 


It's that time again! An opportunity for us to celebrate our proud heritage. 
The goans from Toronto Canada send their best wishes to goans around the 
world as we celebrate WORLD Goa Day on August 20th. As we have in the past, 
we start our celebrations early as we host Viva Goa on July 29th. Viva Goa 
attracts many goans from around the world. We welcome goans from around 
the worldâ¦.mark your calendars! 

Once again we have designated our Viva Goa celebrations as part of our Goa 
Day celebration. The goans in Toronto strongly believe in Goan unity and 
solidarity. It is this unity with goans around the world that will give us a 
strong voice in times of need. 

Every year the attendance at Viva Goa continues to grow. We expect the 
numbers to exceed 6000 goans this year. We use this day to celebrate our 
culture, heritage and proud traditions through dance and shows, sporting 
events and fine cuisine. 

Celebrating Goa Day is very important as we have an opportunity to reflect 
on what it is like being a Goan while sharing this experience with family and 
friends. 
The goans from Toronto continue to support Goan unity and solidarity around 
the world. We salute Rene Barreto who has shown great leadership in helping 
bring Goans around the world together to celebrate Goa Day. We have reached 
a very important crossroad in determining where we take our solidarity. The 
goans from Toronto continue to pledge their commitment and support to the 
formation of an âAlliance of World Goa Organizationsâ. We are ready to start 
discussions with Goan organizations around the world to determine how we can 
all benefit from such an alliance. We strongly believe that the Goan community 
around the world has a very important voice. People will listen to us if we are 
united. Best wishes to all goans as we celebrate Goa Day 2006. 


Oscar Furtado, 
President, 
GOA Toronto, 

www.goatoronto.com 
WORLD GOA DAY messages 
http://www.goatoronto.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=137&Itemid=62
 
updated 18.8.2006 


 -- 

-- 
CANADA 
--- THE GOAN OVERSEAS ASSOCIATION, VANCOUVER 
--
 


" THE GOAN OVERSEAS ASSOCIATION, VANCOUVER, CANADA, 
WISHES ALL GOANS WORLDWIDE A VERY HAPPY AND ENJOYABLE 
DAY. WE ARE A TRULY BLESSED COMMUNITY OF PEOPLE FROM 
ALL WALKS OF LIFE WHO HAVE MADE TREMENDOUS CONTRIBUTIONS 
IN EVERY COUNTRY THAT WE GOANS HAVE LIVED IN. LET US BE 
PROUD OF OUR HERITAGE AND CONTINUE TO SET AN EXAMPLE 
FOR OTHERS. IT WOULD GREAT IF WE COULD ALL SPEAK AS 
ONE PEOPLE WITH ONE VOICE." 

Cleto Dos Remedios 
Vice President 
GOA, Vancouver, Canada 

 
CANADA 
--- 

WORLD GOA DAY 2006 - MONTREAL 
~~ 

World Goa Day - “The day for (world-wide) 
Goan solidarity.” 

BEST WISHES FROM: 
THE QGA PRESIDENT AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD 
0 
 
- 
"Good ideas are two a penny. They only become valuable 
when someone implements them.Then they become innovation." 
 
- 
 

AUSTRALIA 
===- 
-- 
WORLD GOA DAY 
-GOA NSW - -AUSTRALIA. 
 
MESSAGE from Glenn DCruz, President, GOA NSW Inc. 
=== === 


GOAN OVERSEAS ASSOCIATION NSW INC. 
GPO BOX 4572, SYDNEY NSW 2001 
18 August 2006 



On the eve of our World Goa Day celebrations in Sydney, Australia the Goa NSW 
Inc 
executive wish to express solidarity with the Alliance of World Goan 
Organisations. 
We commend you on your initiative of a World Goa Day and again with the 
initiative of a 
worldwide alliance of Goan organisations. 

We believe and support this initiative of yours as it will help build the Goan 
identity 
across borders and enable our young to achieve their potential as leaders of 
tomorrow. 
Subject to ratification of this support at the AGM of the GOA NSW Inc in 
September we 
look forward to participating in your vision. 

Our celebrations begin on 20th August 2006 with Mass being celebrated by Goan 
priest 
Joe Cardoso and Father Dinesh Mcwan. The afternoon will include some cultural 
dances 
and Goan food. 

We look forward to welcoming you Down Unde

[Goanet] Happy Birthday TGF and Happy World Goa Day 2006

2006-08-19 Thread Jose Colaco

Happy Birthday TGF and Happy World Goa Day  2006

TGF leads its frontpage with this theme

Please visit http://www.colaco.net  . If you are a regular visitor to the 
site, please hit REFRESH on your browser ...so that the NEW page appears.

good wishes all

jc

please visit "NEW" on The Goan Forum at http://www.colaco.net

Recommended Goa related sites
1. http://www.goa-world.com
2. http://www.SuperGoa.com


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[Goanet] The goan child and childhood /Melinda Coutinho Powell

2006-08-19 Thread Melinda Powell


Selma wrote:

. But I will say this. Long live the Goan
childhood. From a cursory look at children in Goa, I
know they are healthy, happy and enjoying the
innocence of childhood just as every child should."

Hi Selma,
I loved what you wrote ,and I agree fully with what you say.
Long live the Goan childhood.

Goa has its fair share of problems,but bringing up children in Goa is a
happy ,positive experience.
Im sure Westerners love their kids as much as we love ours,but perhaps their
lifestyles,their jobs,do not allow them the luxury of "time" and
"energy".Also in an attempt to make children independent ,they start really
young and I find it cruel.
Tiny infants ,sleeping alone in nurseries,crying themselves to sleep is sad
.Children need a lot of hugging,and kissing and comfort and security.They
dont ask for much,just your presence.They will get independent
eventually,why rush them?I think not only children are deprived,but parents
miss out on precious moments with their children.

Like you mention,we have grandparents here to lend us a hand.Grandma's
patiently feed kids,tell them stories ,babysit the kids etc.So the strain is
not on the parents.Also, we have maids to help out with misc jobs.

Another difference is when kids are weaning of the bottle,mothers take the
trouble to cook wholesome,nutitious mishmash ( pureed
rice,veg,chicken),broths,tizan .There is a lot of love and caring that goes
into making that meal.While Heinz and Gerber baby food in a bottle,might
have an impressive label and a decent vitamin content,there is nothing like
homemade baby food.

We feed our toddlers,we cajole them,we try different methods to get them to
eat ,we never leave food in front of them,set a time limit ,and expect them
to eat.That is fine when they are older but when they are young,they need
encouragement and nurturing.
Simple routine actions of feeding ,dressing them up ,go a long way in
bonding and cementing a parent/child relationship.

No baby monitors for us here in Goa,anyway there is no electricity half the
time.The greatest security that a child can get from its parents is an arm
across its tiny body,a big hug, a feeling of reassurance"Im there for you".

I think those of us who have had this kind of a childhood,those of us who
can give our kids this kind of childhood are blessed.

Regards.

Melinda

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Re: [Goanet] Goanet Reader -- The Xenophobia Distraction: Can GoaAfford It?

Hi Goanetters
I'd like to repeat an earlier request I made on Goanet some time ago. Does 
anyone know anything about the sprinter Levy Pinto, once reputed to be the 
fastest man in Asia? I believe he was located in Mumbai. I am just curious 
to know if there is anything on record or known about him. His name had come 
up often in early Goan papers in the sports sections.
Cornel DaCosta
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To: 
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 3:39 AM
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GoaAfford It?


> Hi VM DeMalar,
> Thanks for your post. It really warmed the cockles of my Goan Heart when 
> you
> defined with vivid examples that Goans are the World's First Classifiable
> World Citizens. However, conspicuously absent were the achievements of... 


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[Goanet] Remo live in Concert in Muscat, Al Sawadi Beach Resort thurday 24th August 2006, @ 7:30pm

2006-08-19 Thread Stephen Fernandes

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Re: [Goanet] Shut-up, men!

2006-08-19 Thread richard

Sez who?
Richard
- Original Message -
From: "Paulo Colaco Dias" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!'" 
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Shut-up, men!


> Richard, before the English words, lots and lots of Portuguese words were
> introduced into catholic Konkani such as vestido, cozinha, juramento,
> cozinheiro, patrao, sossegado, (!), (a)cabar, etc. etc.
>
> But I was recently told that the real Konkani has proper words for
> everything and in fact, Konkani speaking Hindus do not mix Portuguese and
> English with their Konkani... Is that true?
>
> Paulo.
>
> PS: Ever since I learned "Ugi Rao", can't stop using it! :-)
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:goanet-
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of richard
> > Sent: 31 December 2001 19:59
> > To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!
> > Subject: Re: [Goanet] Shut-up, men!
> >
> > Hi,
> > In fact many times I laugh at my own self when I think of my younger
days
> > and the way we used to pronounce the words without in the least bit
> > realizing that they were English words.
> > The railways tracks were just a few metres away from my aunt's house in
> > Majorda and every time a train passed we used to say "Guddus train
geli".
> > It
> > was much much later that I realized that it was actually 'goods'
> > train.Some
> > of these English words rendered into Konkani were brought by people
coming
> > from Bombay as the famous word, auntie.
> > Richard Cabral
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[Goanet] albert writes

2006-08-19 Thread Albert Desouza


Albert writes
There are many Goans who like to taste goan dishes but they do not have the 
recipes with them. Futobol is a goan sweet prepared from coconut eggs and 
sugar. The recipe is as follows. To make it short I shall give only the 
method. Take two nice little tender coconut and desiccate it. Grind the 
desiccated coconut with very little or no water Put in it 5-6 elachis 
(inside only) while grinding and keep aside. Take 8 eggs. Separate the yolk 
from white. Whip the yolk .Put sugar (1/2 kilo) in the eggsand stir till 
the sugar is dissolved. Put rawa(1/2kilo) in the mixture and stir it well. 
Put the grounded coconut and make uniform paste Add essence and keep mixture 
overnight.  Preheat the oven for 10 minutes (the next day) at 70 degrees 
centigrade and bake it for45 minutes. Do not forget to send me two slices

Albert DSouza

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[Goanet] Lavy Pinto [Was: Re: Goanet Reader -- The Xenophobia Distraction: Can GoaAfford It?]

CORNEL WROTE: Hi Goanetters, I'd like to repeat an earlier request I
made on Goanet some time ago. Does anyone know anything about the
sprinter Levy Pinto, once reputed to be the fastest man in Asia? I
believe he was located in Mumbai. I am just curious to know if there
is anything on record or known about him. His name had come up often
in early Goan papers in the sports sections. Cornel DaCosta

FN NOTES: Sports is not my area of interest, but a search on Google is
all it takes.

Guess you're referring to Lavy Pinto. See http://wapurl.co.uk/?5SYD68W
which has lots of references (a shorter URL for Google search).

THE TRIBUNE says:
http://whttp://www.tribuneindia.com/2002/20021005/spr-trib.htmww.tribuneindia.com/2002/20021005/spr-trib.htm
Lavy Pinto became the fastest man in Asia bagging the 100 metres and
200 metres in athletics, a discipline that gave India 10 gold.

And, check this: DINNER WITH 'SPRINT KING' LAVY PINTO
CHICAGO, June 21: Dr. Avertano Noronha organised a dinner the great
Goan track-star Lavy Pinto in Chicago recently. Lavy Pinto (Ex-Morod
Mapusa, Nairobi Kenya, and Bombay) won the gold medals in the 100m,
200m sprints in the 1950 Asian Games and represented India in the 1952
Olympics. It was a memorable dinner as Lavy reminisced about his
birthplace Nairobi, growing up in the South Bombay area and his school
and college days at St. Xavier's School and College, his athletic
career, which won him the title of The Fastest Man in Asia" in 1950,
his working career at Tatas and his stints at the Taj Mahal Hotel and
Air India and his subsequent arrival in the US in 1969. Lavy is very
proud of his five grown up children, many of whom live in the Chicago
area. (Dr. CARMO DCRUZ [EMAIL PROTECTED]) From
http://www.goacom.com/joel/news/2006/june/22june06.htm

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Re: [Goanet] Goans and the Parsi Community/response Roland

Did this have something to do that both these communities were rather
Westernised, somewhat (in different ways) priviledged during colonial
rule with preferences in enterprise or jobs, also having gained from
colonial trade or expansion, and not really competing in the same
place in cities like Mumbai (but probably playing a complementary role
with each other)? --FN

On 19/08/06, Carvalho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> In this connection I also want to say that strong
> bonds between the Parsi and Goan also existed in the
> Gulf. Whether these were carried on from those that
> existed in Bombay, or whether the Parsi felt a natural
> inclination to bond with another diasporic figure, I
> do not know. Parsi bosses almost invariably had a
> fondness for that very quintessence of Goan
> professionalism in the Gulf, the Goan secretary.

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Re: [Goanet] Response to Mario Goveia

Goanetters,
I was really surprised to find Mario's  response (strongly agreed to by 
Jose) to be
so feeble. I hope this is not indicative of him losing his bottle. This
surely would not be good for Goanet!

My comments interspersed with Mario's post below, will try hard not to be 
personal, except mildly so, when there is no alternative in the need to make 
a focused point.

Firstly, by way of reiteration,  my post on Hitler as a Catholic, was to
emphasise (as previously) that, Hitler, Stalin, the Cosa Nostra and the 
Mafioso
are entirely a part of the equation re the much trumpeted "rock solid 
Christian
moral code." No amount of embarrassment about these unsavoury characters, 
nor peculiar logic for their
unwarranted exclusion, can justifiably remove them from the equation/debate.

- Original Message - 
From: "Mario Goveia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" 
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 8:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Gilbert's wisdom versus Cornel's misrepresentations
> --- cornel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
After all, the firm evidence that, Hitler a
>> firm believer in Catholicism all his life, was also
>> possibly the greatest murderer of all time, should
>> set you thinking.
>>
> Mario observes:
>>
> There is absolutely no logic or common sense in the
> gross misrepresentation that Hitler was a "firm
> believer in Catholicism all his life" since Hitler
> spent most of his adult life publicly rejecting and
> violating every single one of the rock solid tenets of
> Catholicism.

CORNEL: * The point made by me is one based on research evidence and 
definitely NOT
meant to address something odd called Mario's logic or commonsense.
Mario's logic and commonsense might be fine for him but definitely not for
me. The whole tenor of my Hitler article was to highlight the vacuous
nature of Mario's mantra of a rock solid Christian moral code if it depends 
on the exclusion of the most rotten guys in Christendom for the sake of 
convenience.

The historical evidence I searched for, and then provided, and made 
available to one and all,
suggests that Hitler was a devout Catholic. Minimally, he attended
services, received sacraments, was most considerate to the clergy and 
hierarchy, accepted their adulation, and dutifully paid his dues to the 
Church all his life. In my view, he was extremely daft to believe that, he 
was doing God's will in exterminating Jews. But obviously, one can never 
know the complexity, depth and sincerity of his convoluted belief. Indeed, 
that is not our
business (except by way of speculation) as we simply can't be sure where 
Hitler  stood in his belief in Catholicism. Most certainly, we can't know if 
he engaged in a last minute act of in-depth contrition as a sincere 
Catholic. Where is the misrepresentation of anything  in the above, as 
stated by Mario and endorsed by Jose?

Mario's other point (without a shred of evidence) that, "Hitler spent most 
of his adult life
publicly rejecting and violating every single one of the rock solid tenets
of Catholicism" can also NOT be extrapolated from the specific evidence I
supplied. History is based on evidence, not on
someone's gut feeling about something. Mario is clear that his  judgement on
this matter is based on commonsense. He then chooses not to provide counter
evidence to mine. It is therfore a waste of time in a serious discussion to 
debate a fellow's gut
feeling when what is needed is evidence. Get it Mario?
>>
> Cornel's blatant misrepresentation is further

> illustrated when he says above, "...Hitler... was also
> possibly the greatest murderer of all time..."
>>
> While Hitler was a pretty nasty character and world
> class murderer he was hardly the "greatest murderer of
> all time".  Hitler is credited with taking the lives
> of some 11 million innocent people, just two of the
> atheist communists murdering dictators that Cornel
> never mentions, Joe Stalin, Mao Ze Dong are credited
> with taking the lives of over 50 million innocent
> people.
>>
> Hence the atheist communists Stalin and Mao are tied
> for the world title of the greatest murderers of all
> time.
>>
CORNEL * Note Mario's subtle distortion here. First, he quotes me 
correctly... "Hitler was
possibly the greatest murderer of all time." Then suddenly my word
"possibly" is removed by Mario. I wonder why Mario's distortion by the
removal of a significant word was necessary? That distortion changes the 
meaning of what I had said. He then discusses his distortion as he normally 
does (as angrily commented on by many people) on Goanet. The distortion 
above is starring Mario in the face in the above paragraph. Get it Mario? 
However, Mario may be devious to get vicarious pleasure in scoring  points 
but he is definitely not daft. I say this because I have just noticed above 
that, while he ranted previously that Hitler was an atheist, he has 
refrained from saying so above as I had strongly emphasised the  point that 
Hitle

Re: [Goanet] Shut-up, men!

Yes, of course. Ever language Konkani came in contact with would have
obviously influenced it.  So there's no point in shrugging off the
Portuguese influence (or calling it "alien").

Kannada, a linguistic group which Goa probably had closer ties with
than Marathi prior to the Portuguese, also has its long (and probably
unstudied) influence. About being unstudied, I'm not very sure, as I
vaguely recall some paper presented at a Goa University seminar on the
Kannada influence on Konkani.

I guess even Arabic, because of trading connections, would have some,
if forgotten, influence. Paulo, while I agree there there is some
degree of Lusoallergy still around, we need to move beyond just
Lusostalgic positions. FN

On 19/08/06, Joaquim Loiola Pereira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Paulo,
>
> Kujin, kuzner, patrao, sossegad (like zonel, mez, igroz, kazar) are
> etymologically Portuguese words which are used also by Hindus while speaking
> Konkani. Add to it falsidad, kuriosidad, maldisanv, konfusanv and even
> hybrid Konkani-Portuguese words like kerkerasanv and sogleament! Some of
> these words are niched in respectable Konkani lexicons written by Hindu
> Konkanists.
>
> Joaquim.

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[Goanet] Albert writes

2006-08-19 Thread Albert Desouza

Albert  writes
A Christian is the one who follows Christ and so he does not stumble for 
Christ is holding him.He just sees another person and does not  care whether 
he goes to  church temple or masjid but just holds him and says"Brother I 
love you."He sees that the other person is comfortable and not suffering . 
He sees that the other brother has enough food to eat, enough clothes to 
wear and is protected against sun and rain.
albert

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[Goanet] MESSAGE FOR WORLD GOA DAY

2006-08-19 Thread godfrey gonsalves

  M E S S A G E 

Goans overseas on "World Goa Day " 20th August,
remember --- on  this day ---whether you speak
Portuguese, English, etc  your IDENTITY  as GOAN   
"Goemcar"  is  "amchem mai bhas"   our mother tongue -
KONKANI 

To promote KONKANI  worldwide --  a few diehard
activists --- have embarked upon  an  almost 
successful  DO OR DIE mission since the last  year  to
undo the injustice, on the  use of scripts for Konkani
language . 

This despite the proponents of ---ONLY -one script,
one language, one LITERATURE   (with clandestine
motive meant in reality   one community, i.e most of
the Hindu Brahmins ) ---  thro a whisper
campaign,  spreading half truths, myths , resurrecting
the ghost of merger,   fear of  grant of official
status to   other languages, the canard of branding
all others (except their miniscule 2% Hindu Brahmin
community)  as anti-nationalist or communalist.
  
A mission  which has steadfastly won the support 
of  all and sundry viz; Catholics,  and Hindu non
Brahmins,-  to ensure "UNITY in language 
KONKANI and DIVERSITY"  in scripts (lipis).  

An  avowed  mission --- to  undo once and for all 

 1)   the COVERT   resolution passed  by a  select
few self anointed guardians/mentors  of Konkani
language at the Sahitya Akademi  viz National
Academy of Letters at New Delhi,  nearly twenty five
years ago,  on 21st November, 1981 -recognizing 
-  Konkani in Devanagari as the ONLY natural 
script (lipi)  thereby eliminating all other
scripts (lipi) in use for Konkani language viz 500
years old Roman (Romi),  and other scripts like
Kannada,  Perso Arabic ,  Malayalam  AND 

  2)   to ensure Konkani in  ROMAN SCRIPT ( Romi lipi)
is  accorded official status in the Official Language
Act 1987---  now and without further delay  by way
of  amendment in section 2(c) by adding"/Roman
script"alongside the present script Konkani in 
Devanagari  which as of now is the only recognized 
official script  by the Government  (at State and
Central level)  official purposes.

As Goans worldwide celebrate WGD  kindly make it a
point to read out  this message, obtain  a signature
pledge from every Goan present at the festivities to
work for the success of this mission. A resolution to
this effect appended with the signatures could be
mailed to Mr Rene Barreto or this activist as a sign
of solidarity to this mission.
   
GODFREY J I GONSALVES
(activist for )
" UNITY in language  KONKANI diversity  in SCRIPTS"
Borda ,Margao  403 601 Goa India
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Re: [Goanet] Benign Neglect

2006-08-19 Thread Gilbert Lawrence

This is the reason why I find Goanet so hilarious.  I have fallen of my chair 
laughing. This post exposed the hypocrisy and the pseudo-intellectuals. The two 
authors below gave their reasons for and against what I said.  Few spouted off, 
with some rationale which they only could understand.

Thanks Jose for helping to clarify my short post.  There is no difference 
between atheists and those who smoke, divorcee, live a homosexual life style or 
cheat on their spouse. These are all very LEGAL activities. Those who live any 
of these life styles, in fact they would LIKELY welcome new members with 
valuable tips. Surprise. :=))  All these are perfectly legal lifestyles, 
compared to others that I did not mention but others did.  So clearly some do 
not know the difference between legal and illegal activities.  Also I like 
Jose's comments about the "true belief" of believers and non-believers which 
surprisingly Santosh finally understands and agrees with you ... and us. That 
is exactly what some of us have been saying all along. 

Santosh, and others who took the contrarian view, expose their own narrow view 
and authoritarian / mean attitude towards those who do not live a similar 
lifestyle.  Should I, give or not give, consideration to a smoker because 
he/she is a catholic? What is Santosh's rationale?  The smokers of all beliefs 
have an absolute right to smoke in public areas, where such activity is 
permitted. And while I refuse to hang around those areas, I greet the 
smoker-friends with a "big Hi" from a distance!  I do not tell them to smoke or 
not to smoke, even though I know better - samkem like the other groups. So I do 
not know where is your beef, Santosh? Other than perhaps you do not do so. 
Every one has a right to their own thing, if it is permitted by law.  And as 
per my belief, (rock solid moral code) we need to be kind to these law-abiding 
bros. and sis..  As a good citizen, for those who break the law, one needs to 
turn them in even if they happen to be one's relative.

Similarly my "indifferent attitude" to someone having an extra-marital affair, 
should not surprise you.  Perhaps you should learn for it. Statistics report 
that about a third of married people have extra-marital affairs. So perhaps you 
should be pretty broadminded yourself. These folks are believers and 
non-believers, who do not live by their rock solid moral code.  Some engaging 
in extramarital activity claim a superior life style - like other groups. This 
includes being a great calorie burner.:=)) Other posters gave other "good" 
reasons.

I try to explain to myself, why our "logical" Santosh is off-the-wall with my 
very reasonable view which likely is held by many goanetters.  The only 
explanation I could come up for his outburst is  possibly the term "Benign 
Neglect" spooked him.  This is a term used in medical practice or rather 
medical malpractice.  If it is the extra-marital relation that outrages him, 
then perhaps he may have seen the Indian (social) documentary which was 
recently screened in the USA. The thought-provoking and gut-wrenching movie is 
called "WATER".  It touched on some hidden social issues of "conservative" 
India.  I do not know how many goanetters saw this movie. 

Beyond the above explanations, perhaps Santosh has to get his mind out of 
theological texts and into the real world around him. He is outraged about 
extramarital affairs. But a few weeks ago, claimed that modern thinking has 
improved today's social mores. Or is my liberal colleague just ignoring or 
denying or sweeping modern liberal social issues under the carpet?:=)) Yet, he 
may be making his not uncommon U turn and agreeing with us.

Kind Regards, GL

--- Jose Colaco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> 
>I see nothing wrong with the above quoted from Gilbert Lawrence. 
> All he says (in effect) is that he (Gilbert Lawrence) would IGNORE an 
> atheist, as also someone who smokes, divorced, lives a homosexual life style 
> or cheats on his spouse. 

--- Santosh Helekar 

I find Gilbert?s statement bigoted because of the following reasons: 

1. Under all democratic constitutions an atheist is no different from a person 
of any other faith. He/She should not be treated differently from others 
because of his/her religious beliefs or lack thereof. Nobody would dare to 
announce in this forum that he/she reacts to a Catholic with "benign neglect". 

2. The lumping of a smoker, a divorcee, a homosexual and an atheist with 
someone who cheats on his/her spouse reveals how contemptuous and 
discriminatory Gilbert is towards the former four types of individuals. Nobody 
would dare to claim in this forum that his "benign neglect" towards a Catholic 
or a Goan is no different from that towards someone who cheats on his/her 
spouse.
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[Goanet] Talking Photos: Divar Bonderam

2006-08-19 Thread JoeGoaUk

Talking Photos: Divar Bonderam

Today we went to see Bonderan at Divar  together with our 3 British Friends.

- This year too it was started one hour after the schedule time (last year 2 
hrs late)
- Floats were good but organisers deserve poor marks 
- There was no clear view to any one, people come from far and wide were 
disappointed
including us.
- People were too close that it blocked the entire view.
- Too  Many cameramen. Video Cameramen & Mobile cameramen also blocking the 
view.
- There were over 100 police force but they were not very helpful despite 
several
requests. May be they come only to protect politician like Minister and Speaker 
see pic.
-Hope the orginsers improve this situation next time.

Well done Divarkars.  You derserve full marks for preserving this age old 
tradition.

Check photos here (12 in 1)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk4/219271942/

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Re: [Goanet] Goans and Parsis

2006-08-19 Thread Roland Francis

"Im afraid you have got it a bit wrong. The goans in the Armed Forces
did not need any parsi to assist in their promotions! I can assure you
that those who reached higher ranks, did so on their own merits.
Nothing to do with Parsis whatsoever.
 I cannot however vouch for the other central govt. services.
regards, Gilbert Menezes"

Gilbert,
I did not intend to detract from the obvious acheivements of our community
in the Armed Forces and all things being equal and in an ideal world, they
would have risen to senior and the top positions on their own merits.
However, wherever we are - and the Indian Armed Forces is no exception - it
is far from an ideal world.

Promotions up to a certain officer rank are automatically based on seniority
subject to a clean record of course, but after that when there are less
positions than there are eligible personnel, it becomes a metaphorical
free-for-all. The interested parties are a) the General Officers and their
Air Force and Naval equivalents who are in favor of promoting officers who
have directly served under them sometime during their career, on the
principle of 'better the devil I know than the devil I don't', b) the
'know-it-all" bureaucracy who would like to appoint a "pliant officer" who
would better understand their 'clever' motives and strategies c) the
politicians in the defence ministry, the Prime Ministers Office and even the
PM himself who have their own party considerations, not the least of which
is community and caste and d) the Intelligence Apparatus who have bulky
dossiers on all top officers, that they can manipulate according to the
wishes of who at that point in time controls them.

Sometimes thank God, specially in a situation when the country is in dire
need, these various pressures can speak with one voice in favor of the
officer with the most merit AND the least controversy (read: Parsi or Goan -
the Anglo Indians have all settled in Australia) or thankfully at other
times these various lobbies neutralize one another leaving the field open to
the candidate with the same qualities mentioned earlier. The Pakistan Wars,
the Khalistan Insurrection, the North East rebellions, The Emergency during
Indira Gandhi and the formation of the IPKF (Indian Peace Keeping Force) for
the Sri Lanka intevention, were situations like these.
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[Goanet] BRUTALLY BRUTUS -- 6 POINTS

2006-08-19 Thread brian mark mendonca

rico,

i really liked your crisp report on the mandar killing at vasco.

i read your piece this morning on VU. the questions you raise are so pertinent.

your reader-friendly take off point with riza, the fact that mandar was a DJ, 
the headlines in konkani . . . made me, sitting in delhi, feel as if i was on 
NH 17 - on the bus as it were, participating in an avid discussion among the 
passengers . . . 

Allow me to itemize the issues you articulate so eloquently:

1. 'But is it an indicator of a society in turmoil, unable to cope with 
change, struggling to cope with affluence?' 

2. 'As we move from our outdated traditional value-system are we caught in a 
vacuum till we find new ones?'

3. 'Is this just a story of who killed whom and why, or a wider one of where 
our society is going wrong?'

4. '[Have]we fail[ed] to build the coping mechanisms?

5. 'Why in the rush for "excellence" our institutions are failing to take care 
of the very people [they create]'

6. ' . . . who don't need to wait till they commit a murder to get some 
meaning out of an often meaningless life.'

if goanetters can post some reactions to these issues point-wise our search 
will have begun. 

if i can help in any way to assist our search as we grope for answers  . . . 
on this sad day . . .

my poem, 'Good Friday in Cuncolim' came to mind where Gina Peters commits 
suicide in Cuncolim by burning herself (?).

death comes in various guises . . .

but today brutus has his day. 

let caesar rest now.

brian
new delhi 
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[Goanet] Message forthe World Konknni Day 20 August 2006

2006-08-19 Thread Thomas Stephens Konknni Kendr

Message for the World Konknni Day

On August 20, 1992 Konknni was included in the Eighth Schedule of
Constitution of India through an amendment.   Thus on this day Konknni
became one of the official languages of India.  20 August is observed as
Konknni Day by Konknnis (Konknni speakers) in India and abroad.

Providentially or accidentally this year 20 August falls on Sunday and the
Catholic Church all over the world observes it as Justice Sunday.  Let us be
proud that our mother tongue Konknni is an Official Language of India.  When
Konknni was included in the Eighth Schedule the script of Konknni is not
mentioned.  Hence from this fact we could definitely conclude that Konknni
language was recognized and not any one of its scripts.

Konknnis are spread out in various parts of India and world.  They have
preserved their mother tongue through their own native dialects and scripts.
Therefore, Konknni is alive and continues to be a dynamic language.  If a
section of Konknnis insists or imposes with a particular dialect or script,
Konknni will become an archaic language.  In Goa Roman and Devanagari
scripts are used for Konknni.  Unfortunately, Roman script has not got the
official status due to the selfishness of a section of Konknnis.  Unless
Roman script gets equal and official status there is no real justice to
Konknni.  If there is no justice to Konknni written in Roman script we
cannot talk about brotherhood and sisterhood.   Mere celebration of Konknni
Day has no meaning without equality and dignity to all sections of Konknnis.
On World Konknni Day let us reflect on the following words of  J.H. da Cunha
Rivara (23 June 1800 - 20 February 1879), a Portuguese Govt. official who
was the General Secretary to the Portuguese Governor General of India in Goa
for more than 15 years.

Pratap Naik, S.J.
Director
Thomas Stephens Konknni Kendr
B.B.Borkar Road
Alto Porvorim, Goa - 403 521

"It is now time to undo the damage caused.  The time has come to restore the
mother tongue to its rightful place.  To you, then, the Goan Youth, is
reserved this great work, essential element of the intellectual and social
regeneration of your countrymen!

The methodical culture of the mother tongue will bring you closer to the
Marathi Language; it will facilitate the knowledge of the Asiatic and
European languages, ancient and modern, and thereby useful knowledge will be
opened to your intelligence; and the treasures of the world, till now hidden
from you, due to the absence of this instrument of exploration, will be
opened to you.

Let fools laugh and shout from the depth of their ignorance that the
language has no grammar, that it is not capable of being written and that as
it is in common use now by only a few individuals, the exertion on its study
is insufficiently compensated; that its varieties and dialects from province
to province, even from caste to caste, make it complicated and
unintelligible, and that is so corrupted that it cannot be purified.
If however, you feel that these ignorant critics deserve a reply, tell them
that this book and all others that will follow it prove t whether the
language has a grammar or not, whether it is conducive to writing or no.  Do
not be ashamed to imitate the example of the British nation, exerting itself
to cultivate in Europe, the semi-barbarous dialect of Malta, spoken scarcely
by 70,000 persons, and in India the harsh Jataki or Baloochi, the Pushtu of
Afghan and other such languages.  Tell them that the varieties of Konkani,
from province to province or from caste to caste, are not greater than the
dialects of old Greek, modern Italian, French or German etc.  And lastly its
very corruption should be an incentive to you to improve it, to purge it,
rather than to despise it.  And if they yet persist in their outcry, do not
give heed to it but move on.

Indeed, this enterprise is not easy, but it useful, it is honourable, it is
glorious.

And that you may have as far as possible a light-house to guide you in the
midst of darkness caused by the foolishness of some and the malice of
others, we conclude by listing for you some aids to which you may have
recourse."

From:   ESSAY ON KONKANI LANGUAGE
By  J.H. da Cunha Rivara
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Re: [Goanet] Nachne

2006-08-19 Thread maurice dmello

  The subject of 'nachnne' made an interesting reading, and the mention 
of 'ambil' stirred boyhood memories.  During wartime (WW-the big one!), when 
rice was in shortage, our elders it seems used to add ground nathnne or what 
we call nathno to the rice gruel called thandlla paez.  When this coarsely 
ground nathno was added to the paez, it was called 'ambil paez'.
   
  Nathno plant has thin long leaves and the nathno matures on the 'khanshi' of 
the plant.  This used to be a cash crop, grown beside chilli and kanngi (sweet 
potato), vegetable like red bhaji, string beans(Alsande), bhende etc.  In 
southern India, it is extensively grown and used as a staple diet.  It has 
cooling effect on the body and is nutritious.
   
  Nathnno and wheat (goum) used to be ground, strained and with jaggery and 
coconut juice was boiled to prepare a pudding we called 'manni' similar to 
Goan 'Nasne tizan', and was poured on a large banana leaf placed on a huge pan 
called 'thadpe(used to separate rice from husk, broken rice etc).  Once 
cooled, it used to slightly harden and could be cut into slices and relished 
as it used to just melt in the mouth!!!  
   
  I remembered a Kunnbi song where 'ambil' was mentioned and requested Dom 
Fernades for help, and he was kind enough to mail me the entire article that 
also included the song, which is given below in part:
   
  "Bolaqen gott ga Kunnbi nokdda khambo
Paus votan arbo teje jivit lambo
Ambil gottai, di taka vokta thembo
Sokallim aura toear sadgaxim kombo"
   
Another folk song that I came across where mention of achnne is made, is 
the song that was part of another article by none other than Dom Frenandes. 
The article begins thus:

The lyrics of the following Konkani folk song KOMBO-KOMBIECHI AMIZAD or 
rooster-hen friendship.  The song begins with praise for the rooster, followed 
by allegations resulting in proposal and demand for dowry and 'vojem', and 
finally a forced marriage because the hen is already laying eggs! 
  "Kaiboro mozo kombo, zobor apurbaiecho.(the song continues...)
  ..Zobor mhaka khoxi, tuje kombiek sun korchi .. Ani hanvui khoxi zanvuim 
korchi, doth ghetoloi kitli? Ti diteleachi khoxi.. Borem kunddo ek 
paili 

Barik tandull don poddi ani nachnneanchi annatti ."

   
  Best regards
  Maurice D'Mello
   
  
 
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Re: [Goanet] Gilbert's Benign neglect

Aristo,

I hope you know that giving the long rope does not
work on Goanet and many such forums. There are
personalities here who cannot tell when they have
hanged themselves. Trust me, you will be disappointed.

Cheers,

Santosh

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> Eagerly awaiting your reply. Don't feel inhibited to
> write a long one.
> The longer, the better. Thanks.
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Re: [Goanet] Goans and the Parsi Community

The Parsi community in East Africa was small. The Parsis would have gone to 
East Africa ( Kenya, Tanzania, Uganda) along with other Indian communities. 
Several schooled at my primary and Goan secondary school in Mombasa and some 
have continued to be lifelong friends. On reflection, I don't think any of 
us co-ed students saw any particular distinction between the Goans (the 
majority in this Goan High School), Arabs, Chinese, Seycheloise, Parsis, 
Ismaili, other Indian, and the few African and European pupils. I think 
besides having to focus on study, we were too busy with sport, music and 
other extra-curricular activities to worry about ethnic differences. On 
reflection too, the school was a great place to be in with such a pleasant 
mixed intake.
Cornel
- Original Message - 
From: "Mervyn Lobo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" 
Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2006 1:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goans and the Parsi Community


> Roland Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> The Goan people in Bombay had the strongest bond
>> with the Parsis, among all
>> other Indian communities. There is no basis in
>> contemporary history for that
>> bond, except that both these... 


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[Goanet] Goanet's 12th birthday

And with Goanet's 12th birthday (1994-2006) officially observed on
August 25, 2006, would anyone care to send in a 'happy birthday' wish
to this network in the language of your choice (together with a
translation)? Curious to know where all Goanet is being read, and what
languages our readers speak! Just a suggestion... FN
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[Goanet] You're Invited -- Monsoon Art Festival 2006

2006-08-19 Thread Ethel Da Costa

think geek

Cordially invites you for the inauguration of

 Monsoon Art Festival 2006
  (August 21 - 25, 2006)

On August 21, 2006 - 12:00pm, Venue: Kala Academy, Panjim, Goa

Chief Guest: Shri Pratapsing Rane - Hon'ble Chief Minister, Goa

Guests of Honour:
Shrinivas Dempo
(Industrialist, Art Patron)

Pedro Cabral Adao
(Consul General of Portugal)


Monsoon Art Festival 2006
  Itinerary


Painting Exhibition Titled "FREEDOM STROKE"

By leading and working artists from Goa
August 21 - 25, 2006
Time: 11:00am - 7:00pm
Venue: Art Gallery, Kala Academy


Seagram's Fuel Party
FREEDOM ROCK FINALE
August 25, 2006
Time: 9:00pm onwards

'END OF INNOCENCE' Album Release
With Kismet and Lethal Ethyl in collaboration with Children's Rights in Goa 
(CRG)
Venue: Vanilla Lounge, Candolim
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[Goanet] CM RANE PLAYS AT BEING A HERO

2006-08-19 Thread airesrod

The increasing crime rate in the State is a matter of
deep concern and immediate remedial steps needed to be
taken to stop Goa going the Bihar way.

One has to strongly condemn Goa Chief Minister
Pratapsingh Raoji Rane's high-handed visit to the
Panaji police station on August 16th to interrogate
the alleged five accused involved in the gruesome
murder of Mandar Surlakar.

One wonders if Chief Minister Rane was in his senses
when he visited the police station. Mr. Rane is the
first and only Chief Minister in India's history to
interrogate the accused in a crime and thereby
directly interfering in the investigation.

Mr. Rane's vested motive to visit the police station
is now very clear but the police have to be also
questioned as to how they allowed the Chief Minister
to interrogate the accused. 

Chief Minister Rane's hour long interrogation of the
accused has to be condemned by all as no politician
should be allowed to interfere with the investigation
of any crime or the administration of justice.

Aires Rodrigues
Ribandar







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[Goanet] Re - Domnic's Silver Jubilee at work

2006-08-19 Thread ARLETTE AZAVEDO

Congrats Domnic! 

25 years of service is a great Achievement
I wish you love, joy, happiness and above good health.
May  all your dreams come true and continue to be active on the GOANET, giving 
us the most needed AICHEA DISSAK CHINTOP (Thought for the Day ) everyday, 
without fail, as also your other articles.

Finally, remember that retirement, is a time to enjoy all the things you never 
had time to do when you worked.  

ALL THE VERY BEST, DOMNIC




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[Goanet] Reminisces of my Goan Youth

2006-08-19 Thread George Pinto

Of a Goan hotel in Pakistan and more. See submission below for the GOA SUDHAROP 
GOAN SENIORS
E-book. Please send your submission to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

George

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Goans should be proud of this good man - Frank D'Souza
By Lenny Barretto

I feel, mention must be made of a Senior Citizen to whom Goans owe much.

Frank D'Souza was born and educated in Karachi.  He was the first Indian to be 
appointed by the 
British, as a member of the Railway Board of India.  In those days, a small 
group of men
controlled 
the mighty railways of India.  It was the railways that kept the Indian Empire 
working efficiently

and effectively.  Therefore, it was important that membership of the Board was 
the perserve of the

best, and Frank D'Souza being one of the best was appointed to the Railway 
Board of India.

After finishing school with a Matrticulation, Frank D'Souza started to work as 
a Railway Guard in 
one of the Railways.  He was a self-made man and educated himself over the 
years.  At the time of 
Partition - Frank D'Souza opted for India and because of the Evacuee Property 
Law, which was 
established by both India and Pakistan, he lost his large property "Maryville" 
in Karachi,
Pakistan.  

At the time, Pakistan urgently needed the services of someone to set-up the 
Railway system in 
Pakistan.  Pakistan decided the only man to help in this direction was Frank 
D'Souza.  Mohammed
Ali 
Jinnah, Founder of Pakistan and the First Governor-General of Pakistan 
specifically requested
Frank 
D'Souza for his help in setting-up the Railway system in Pakistan.  Frank 
agreed, but on condition

that his home "Maryville" be returned to him.  Jinnah and the Government of 
Pakistan agreed.
Frank D'Souza always helped and supported Goans and often suggested that Goans 
should always try 
to support each other.  He set an example.  When he came to Pakistan, he stayed 
at a Goan-owned 
hotel "Braganza Hotel".  He could have asked the Government of Pakistan to 
arrange for him to stay
in the best hotel.  Frank was known for his transparently honest Christian 
character.

On completion of his job in Pakistan and before returning to India, Frank 
D'Souza gave his 
beautiful home "Maryville" to an order of Nuns.  If he wanted, he could have 
sold his home in
foreign exchange for a good sum.  The nuns made "Maryville" into a Senior 
Citizen Home.  I had
close aunts who lived in the Home and were well looked after for the rest of 
their lives by the
Sisters of Mercy.  A few years ago Frank D'Souza's only son - Ronald-  a 
Catholic Priest - lived
the last few years of his life at the home.  He died at the ripe old age of 92.

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Re: [Goanet] Benign Neglect

--- Gilbert Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> This is the reason why I find Goanet so hilarious. 
> I have fallen of my chair laughing. This post
> exposed the hypocrisy and the pseudo-intellectuals.
> 

Gilbert appears to have now found refuge in
name-calling, while going through some kind of
twisting and turning to rationalize his statement of
moral equivalence between practices that are not
regarded by modern society as immoral, namely atheism,
homosexuality, divorce and atheism, and that which is
regarded as immoral, namely cheating on a spouse.

It is hard to understand, as usual, what he is trying
to say, but a couple of questions that I have, in
addition to the ones that Aristo has asked are:

1. Is Gilbert claiming that cheating on a spouse
should be considered moral because a relatively high
percentage of people engage in this behavior?

2. Is he claiming that more people cheat on their
spouses now than in ancient times? If so, does he have
statistics to back this statement?

Cheers,

Santosh
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[Goanet] Congratulations Tony Martin on your two publications!!

2006-08-19 Thread Silviano Barbosa

Hi Tony,
Congratulations! On the publication of your two books"Life is beautiful" and 
"Time Pass".
I wish you all the best!
May you find lots of satisfaction and success on these two books. May you 
have great response and support from your readers!
May you continue your creative power and bring enlightenment to the reading 
public in the years ahead!
Viva!
Silviano C. Barbosa


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[Goanet] Why Condoms Will Never Stop AIDS in Africa

2006-08-19 Thread Holy Spirit Interactive

Dirty Little Secret: Why Condoms Will Never Stop AIDS in Africa

by Sue Ellin Browder 


Every ten seconds, a man, woman, or child in Africa dies from an AIDS-related 
disease. According to the USAIDS/World Health Organization (WHO), 40.3 million 
people now live with HIV infections, two-thirds of them in sub-Saharan Africa. 
In Swaziland, 42.6 percent of pregnant women test positive for HIV. 

Theres no cure for this killer, and no end in sight. The United Nations 
predicts that if present trends continue, AIDS will claim an additional 65 
million lives by 2020more than triple the number of those who died in the 
first 20 years of the pandemic. 

It has been five years since New York Times columnist Bob Herbert wrote that 
most of us are simply unable to grasp the enormity of this disaster. We are 
in the early stages of an unprecedented threat to the health of the human 
species, he warned. The long dark night of AIDS has just begun. 

http://www.holyspiritinteractive.net/columns/guests/suebrowder/dirtysecret.asp

http://www.holyspiritinteractive.net/

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[Goanet] Aitaracheo Kaskutleo: Dar Tujem Ugtem Dovor Ietlo Gara

2006-08-19 Thread lino dourado

Dar Tujem Ugtem Dovor Ietlo Gara
.anik ek aik. Donk-kapeo cheddeo (narrow
waistband) haddinaka. Cheddvam vaddtat. Donkeancheo
(hip shorties) ge.
Kuwait nokri kortolea ghorkara thaim, Ana Francisca
telefonar uloitali. Ticho ghorkar Duming, Goeam
suttean ienvcho aslo. Shopping korchea adim tannem,
bailek kitem zai vo naka tem vicharchem aslem.
Kosleo cheddeo tuka zai tem mhaka somzona.
Venociana kumarik vicharun polletam.
Cheddvam-bailancheo bhitorleo mustakichem shopping
korunk noko aslolo Duming-an aple bailek sanglem.
Tuka kiteim-i sanglear kumarik vicharun polletam
mhunntai. Tum oxem kor. Tikach ghevn Goeam ieo.
Hangasorui ti, tuje gorjek upkarteli.
Tuka koxem kolllem? Tivu-i Goeam ieta mhunn? Punn
hanv Mumbai-chean ietam. Indian Airline vo Air India
direct flight-ir ailear hanv Goem pavtolom ani mhoji
baggage hangach urteli. Fuddlea mhoineant thavn
Kuwait-Goa Air Lanka suru zata mhunn aikolam. Hea
fuddem Kuwait-Goenkar-anche tras unnem zatele
Mumbai-chean ieta tem borem asa. Chodd whiskey
pienaka. Punn tunvem mhaka khoimchea flight-ir ietlo
ani Dabolim vimantollar khoimchea vellar pavtolo hi
khobor dili na.
Kuwait-Mumbai Jazeera ani Mumbai-Goa Kingfisher..
Wow..
Kitem? Tuka marog poddtelem mure. Dusrem mhollear
tuka sapuch upkarona.
Mhaka faido zata tea hixeoban hanvem vimanacheo
tiketti kaddleat. Atam, Kuwait-Goenkar-anim Indian
Airline ani Air India hankam bhudd xikounk zai.
Sumanank don pavtti direct Kuwait-Cochin via Goa
vetelea Kerela-chea provasank Indian Airline boreo
sovloti ditat. Kiteak tanche somudaeche (community)
fuddari ekdom ghott asat. Samonachem koslech tras
tankam zainant ani ojun meren zale nant khuim. Punn
Goenkar provaxeanim khub pavtti baggage-ik lagun tras
sonsleat. Holu-holu korun dusrea komponicheo odik
direct flights hanga sakun Dhabolim udna korteleo.
Goenkanim IA ani AI hancher bohixkar (boycott)
ghalunkuch zai.
Gorzo ani bolleponn polevpak Kuwait-an,
Goenkarancho Ekvott mhunn ek sonstha asa. Ti kitem
polleta tor
Soddeak kolmben kosmelea
Mhaka tujem kainch aikopachem na. Mumbai-chean
ievnchem nhoi mhunn tuka xiddkaitam. Kumar Venociana
ieta tech direct flight-ir ieo. Landing gear matxe
zorlem zalear horkot na punn tujeo fuel tanks piddear
zalear mhojo sonvsar koddu.
Tujem kainch somzunk iena mhaka.
Polle Duming. Dog sobit dhuvancho bapui tum.
Tamkam, tujea mogachi ani apurbaechi goroz. Ghelea
vorsa tujea rogtachi topasni keleli tedna tuka soro
bilkull upkarona mhunn voizanchea vakear vo report-ar
asa. Tujeo kidney oskot asat ani soreak ievkar divnk
upkaronant. Tum Kuwait asa mhunn borem. Devak argam!!
Thoimsor soro mellona. In flight complimentary drinks,
funkea whiskey tunvem borich ghonttchi asta. Dabolim
vimantollar pavta mhollear tum sarkoch zur zata. Ani
atam Kuwait-Mumbai Zeera-chem ani Mumbai-Goa
Kingfisher beer mhollear tuka sarkench mix zaun
tujeo kidney. (roddta)
Hello Ana. Toxem nhoi. Ago toxem nhoi tem aik...
Hellohello..
Lino B. Dourado

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Re: [Goanet] Benign Neglect

2006-08-19 Thread George Pinto

--- Santosh Helekar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Gilbert appears to have now found refuge in name-calling, while going through 
> some kind of
> twisting and turning to rationalize his statement of moral equivalence . 
> It is hard
> to understand, as usual, what he is trying to say, 

Gilbert is right. Benign atheist smokers who are homosexual could not have 
cheated on their wives
since homosexuals have partners and not wives. However, divorced smokers who 
have a rock solid
moral code are usually neglected in a less benign way than homosexual atheists. 

What Gilbert is saying is absolutely clear.

George

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[Goanet] AICHEA DISAK CHINTOP - Agostachi 20vi, 2006!

2006-08-19 Thread domnic fernandes

Vhoddilanchi ek mhunnnni asa:  Randlelem sorta punn kelelem urta.   Aiz 
jem kitem ami randlam tem sortelem punn amchem Goenkarponn, Konknni bhas ani 
Sonvsari Goyem Dis urtolo!


(There is an old saying:  Cooked food gets over but action remains.  
Whatever we cooked today will get over but our Goanness, Konkani language 
and the World Goa Day will stay on!


Moi-mogan,
Domnic Fernandes
Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA

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[Goanet] Gilbert's Benign neglect

2006-08-19 Thread Gilbert Lawrence

Hi Santosh,

In light of what you wrote below, and your high sounding standards you espoused 
for Goanet on another thread, should you not be apologizing and retracting your 
statement on me: "reveals how contemptuous and discriminatory Gilbert is"?  I 
will leave it to your good judgement and that of the moderators of Goanet.  

Wise people do not hesitate to recognize their mistakes and learn from it, as 
you have done below.  Apologies, when an error is committed, from someone with 
wisdom, and a desire not to repeat the same, is a mark of quality.
Kind Regards, GL

--- Santosh Helekar wrote: 

Josebab,
As you know, I am only expressing my own viewpoint. I do not challenge the 
validity of your viewpoint at all. I think in this subjective matter, in 
particular, two disparate points of view can peacefully co-exist.
Cheers, Santosh

--- Jose Colaco wrote:
>
> wrt this from me (JC): [I see nothing wrong with the above quoted from 
> Gilbert Lawrence. ...All he says (in effect) is that he (Gilbert Lawrence) 
> would IGNORE an atheist, as also someone who smokes, divorced, lives a 
> homosexual life style or cheats on his spouse.]

 Aristo  

Hi Gilbert, 
I think Santosh and the gang is just over reacting to what you said ...

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[Goanet] Goa news for August 20, 2006

2006-08-19 Thread Goanet News Service

Goa News from Yahoo! News and Goanet.org

Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories.


*** Ministry of Sound CD Player and Scratcher: Unleash Your
Hidden DJ (Gizmodo)

targetTerm195129 = 'MOSDJ135'; Popular with the glow stick
crowd, Ministry of Sound just released their latest gadget for
wannabes DJs from Goa to Ibiza, the CD...

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/gadgets/ministry-of-sound-cd-player-and-scratcher-unleash-your-hidden-dj-195129.php


*** Sun, sand and slums (Deccan Herald)

It took novelist and psychoanalyst Sudhir Kakar and his wife
Katharina Poggendorf less than 10 minutes to decide that Goa
was the only place in India that they could live in.

http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/aug202006/sundayherald1133102006819.asp


*** Indias Florida: Jostling for the spoils of tourism (Deccan
Herald)

Thirty years ago it took three bus changes and a long walk
through lush paddy fields to get to Anjuna beach. The hub of
global tourism in Goa, Anjuna, where heroin and psychedelia
mixed with indolence and the sun to give birth to Goa trance
and the rave rage, was as isolated as it could get.

http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/aug202006/sundayherald1135172006819.asp


*** Goa: Realty hotspot (Deccan Herald)

Right now, theres only one way real estate is headed in Goa:
northwards. And as land rates make new highs almost daily,
local builders too are beginning to feel the heat of big-time
entrants from ˜outside.

http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/aug202006/sundayherald113412006819.asp


*** Sunday Herald News - Deccan Herald - Internet Edition
(Deccan Herald)

As more and more ˜outsiders make Goa their second home,
locals worry that the beach citys character will be lost given
the pace of realty development. Devika Sequeira on the
globalisation of Goa.

http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/aug202006/sundayherald.asp


*** Goa to pull down buildings violating coastal norms (The
Economic Times)

PANAJI: Purchasing a sea-side property in Goa could now well be
at your own risk.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1899169.cms


*** Goa for powers to proceed against FEMA violators (New
Kerala)

Panaji, Aug 17: With increasing number of foreigners buying
properties in Goa in violation of Foreign Exchange Management
Act, 1997 (FEMA), the state will ask Centre to confer powers to
its officers to proceed against violators, a top official said
today "Under FEMA, the state government officers can be given
powers to proceed against the violations by foreigners.

http://www.newkerala.com/news4.php?action=fullnews&id=8460


*** Govt asks hoteliers to erect sign boards to prevent
drowning (New Kerala)

Panaji, Aug 18: Faced with the increasing deaths due to
drowning, Goa government today asked the hoteliers and tour
operators to prominently display notice boards in their
premises debarring tourists from entering into the sea.

http://www.newkerala.com/news4.php?action=fullnews&id=9076


*** Vasco SC beats Corps of Signals in Goa league (New Kerala)

Margao, Aug 16: A second half brace by substitute Agnelo DSouza
gave Vasco SC a 3-1 victory over 10-man Corps of Signals in
their opening round tie of Hutch-sponsored Goa Football
Association's Professional League, being played at Tilak
stadium, Vasco, today.

http://www.newkerala.com/news4.php?action=fullnews&id=7911


*** Panaji, Aug 19 (PTI) Scientists at Goa-based National
Institute of Oceanography have termed the Mahim water
phenomena(Outlook India)

"It's a common phenomenon along the coast during rains when
fresh water mixes with salty water and dilutes it further," NIO
director, Suresh Shetye, told PTI.

http://www.outlookindia.com/pti_news.asp?id=408223


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[Goanet] Coco, meme, Monno! and other bad names in Toronto!

2006-08-19 Thread Silviano Barbosa

We were driving on Highway 427 North today and I saw "Memme" on a sign 
board, So I asked my kids , "Hey you guys know what "memme" means in 
Konkani?", they said "No". So I said it means "fish". Then my daughter said 
: "I thought "Nishtem" was fish. I said "That's right, but 'memme means fish 
in kid's language". Then my son said "What's kid's language?'. I said "Arre, 
in Goa, in olden days you had to speak to kids in kids' Konkani language for 
them to understand.
"Like you don't say "xit" for rice, you say "Coco".
Remember in olden days, mothers used to scare the kids "Arre Monno etolo 
veguim jei" or "Baba tujeo uuo kaddtam na zalear mure teo Uoo tuka ubarun 
tea vodlea shetant uddoitolio:" and the kids would let their mother hurt 
their skull, ani  "s" kon teo liko, uuo nakttam ghalun uuo martalim.
"Baba tum mosteo konakam, tuk mure Dev hast laitolo, Choool kon kailim ghan 
Inferna ujea lashtolo" and we poor kids would believe our mothers ani amgue 
lissaum kotalei. Atanche bhurgue hem korpak assai?
Tuvem tenkam hat lailear. "Mom I will call 911" mhun police-k apoupak assai.
The kids have all their rights and mummy and daddy are having their fights.


*

Last week I went for my friend's barbecue party for his son's birthday 
party. His son Savio after working for IBM for 4 years is going back to 
school, as he is doing his Ph. D. in Engineering. So he had some colleagues 
from his  U. of T. (University of Toronto) days. Most of his colleagues were 
a  mixed ethnic crowd.
So Savio started to introduce them to us:

"Hi guys. This is Eric"
I said "Eric? What's your last name?" ( I wanted to know "To Konnnalo?" as 
he was brown and first name being western)
Eric  said "Kader"
We old Goans started laughing, when someone whispered "ericador-u?".
Now you won't believe who was the next. Many of you know about that Hindi 
film producer "Subhash Ghai"(pronounced "ghei" in English)
This guy comes up to me and says," I am  Ajit Ghai" like "ajit ghe" and 
everyone of us old Goans start kakading (laughing) holding our 
stomachs.(first "ericador ani atam "ajit (enema) ghe?)
So two more people are introduced and nothing happens. But then there is 
this white Italian girl who comes up and introduces herself, " Hi guys I am 
'Marla Fusco' . So you guys know what happened then!(Kitem fusco marla? 
Konnem?)
No more stomach holding. What a party! What a free entertainment. What they 
must be thinking of us?
I kid you not.
This all happened in Etobicoke, Toronto,  not in EtobiPepsi or Mrs. Sauga!
This old Goan Bardez lady said 'arre Shi Baba, kohlim pozzdim navam re 
hanchim?"
Bye Cheers!
Remember copyright credit! for this is all origi(narl) cholesterol-free!


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[Goanet] A MESSAGE TOTHE WORLD OF GOANS ON 'WORLD GOA DAY-2006'

2006-08-19 Thread Goa Su-Raj Party


August 20 of each year is a day celebrated all over the world by Niz
Goemkars only to show the depth of their love for their Motherland Goa. It
is not important that our Motherland  was ravaged by many an alien rulers
which included the Portuguese, before 1961.  It is not important that  our
Motherland has been ravaged , even more so, after the so called 'liberation'
in 1961 by the liberators themselves who even to this day are hell bent on
ravaging the person of our Motherland to their own benefits and interests.
But it is important that Niz Goemkars do a little introspection on this
WORLD GOA DAY and come out of our lethargy and complacency which has been
taken as 'weakness' by the marauders to heap  more and more insults on our
Motherland, may it be its governance; may it be the denial for the rightful
claims of its 'tongue' Konkani; may it be the respect for its sons of the
soil, all through its own sons of the soil who have been blinded with
self-enrichment and avarice.

We, Niz Goemkars wish and want to fight back these injustices unto our
Motherland. But our  numbers are far so few and spread-out to make a pointed
thrust to dislodge the evil forces and bring them to their knees. We gather
initial and much desired momentum when we want to show our resentment but
unfortunately, we do not move forward to attain our much lauded goals, all
to the happiness and contentment of the evil forces, who, all the time go on
multiplying like the common cold bacteria with the right ambient atmosphere
of lack of fear of justice, which they themselves command.

When Niz Goemkars get together, the goals are the same. We see this
manifested in newer groups cropping up,  such as 'Save Goa Front' led by
Adv. Aires Rodrigues;  'Borda Citizen's Committee' led by Lawry Abranches
and Socorro Fernandes; 'Lok Shakti' led by Dr. Francisco Colaco; and the
most recent 'Goemche Niz Mogi'  led by James Fernandes and Fr. Antim Gomes.
And, for the last 6 years, right from 31st August, 2000, there has been the
registered 'Goa Su-Raj Party', a veritable convert from an NGO, with a
Constitution, un-paralleled and un-surpassed, through the inclusion of
Articles in its body i.e. Art. 34, Art 38, Art 40 and Art 41, which
commitments are the need of the hour, if our Motherland  is to be
reintroduced to it former glory of effective governance such as Gaunkaries
(Comunidades) for agrarian excellence and the Rule of Law for common good,
peace and harmony. Perhaps, it is the 'EGO' in us Goans which inspires us to
splinter ourselves rather than join forces against our common  enemies.

Six years ago  the founders of the 'Goa Su-Raj Party' have put in place the
important tool for the fight to evict the evil forces at play in Goa in the
realization that 'POLITICS MUST BE FOUGHT TOOTH AND NAIL WITH SUPERIOR,
UNSELFISH POLITICS' . Towards that end, and for the benefit of the World of
Goans, Goa Su-Raj Party has released its 'ROAD MAP FOR GOA' on the occasion
of the World Goa Day, 2005. Towards that end, and to instill a fighting
spirit in the World of Goans, Goa Su-Raj Party has released its CAMPAING
DIALOGUES 1 & 2 with Political Jingles 1, 2 & 3 along with the  Party's
theme songs "Goa Su-Raj" lyrics and music composed by Basilio Magno, a
concerned Goan in Spain, music directed by Fr. Peter Cardozo of Pilar-Goa
and sung by Young Chicko, a Goemcho Tiartist with a golden voice; and,
"Amchem Goem" -lyrics composed by our present Party President Dr. N.S. Dumo,
music composed and directed by Fr. Peter Cardozo , Pilar-Goa and sung by
Kiran Kerkar. The campaign dialogues and the theme songs are available to be
downloaded at the Party's website www.goasu-raj.org.

On this WORLD GOA DAY, the Goa Su-Raj Party commends in no uncertain terms
the enthusiasm, commitment and dedication shown towards uniting Goan, by
Rene Barreto to take forward and co-ordinate the World Goa Day celebrations
world-wide. And, likewise, on this WORLD GOA DAY the Goa Su-Raj Party prays
that Goans all over the world will unite as one to take the fight to
liberate Goa the second time from the clutches of the enemies of Goa and
Goans  which would make the 'all past  alien ruler of Goa' look like saints.

And last but not the least, on this WORLD GOA DAY- 2006,  the Goa Su-Raj
Party wishes  each and every GOAN a World Goa Day full of joy and unity in
CELEBRATIONS.

Sd/-
Floriano Lobo,
General Secretary/Spokesperson
Goa Su-Raj Party.


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[Goanet] Putting Catholic prejudices in context