[Goanet] Bara Digdorspeancho Aspaav Aslolo TIATR
Bara Digdorspeancho Aspav Aslolo TIATR Setembrache 1ler, 2006, Hawally A/c hollant, Laurente Pereira hannem boroun-digdorxit kello tiatr Hea Gharachim Dharam Bondh LARA Productions Entertainment hanchea bhavttea khala, sanjechea 3:30 horar dakovpant ietlo. Hatunt bara digdorspeancho aspav asa. Ani te zaun asat: 01)Felcy Toofan 02)Comedian AgostinhoAslelim Dukhi Nasleleim Sukhi 03)Pascoal Rodirigues-Tum Tukach Fotoita(Goeant Cholta) 04)Roseferns Hem amchem Goem? (Goeant Cholta) 05)Anil Pednekar Hem Natem Devachem (Goeant Cholta) 06)Anthony Sylvester Dukh Nastanam Sukh Nam(Goeant Cholta) 07)Comedian Philip Tum Vhoir Hanv Sokoll (Musical show) 08)Marcus Vaz Almanchea Disa 09)Mario de Majorda Chuklelim Panvlam 10)Rosary Ferns Ghor Bandlem Ghorabo Moddlo 11)Laurente Pereira Hea Gharachim Dharam Bondh 12)Manuel Fernandes 1967 vorsant tin tiatr boroun, digdorxit keleat. a) Axek Lagon- 1-1-1967 b) Pisuddlolem Kalliz 28-5-1967 c) Maim Sun- 10-12-1967 d) Bhav-Bhav ani Zav-Zav ho tacho tiatr odik nanvlokik zalo f) Vegllochar 27-12-1999 Bab Manuela-chi voili mahiti Brazinho Soares Kallapura hanchea koddlean gavlea. Mhonntokoch "Hea Gharachim Dharam Bondh" tiatr unch dorjedar astolo hatunt dubhavuch na. Tumcheo boska sugur korunk hea ankdear sompork korche: Laurente 6262597, Nicholas 9732917, Philip 9494518, Chequino 6364366 and Domnic 9391452 -LAPITT- __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] GIVING BACK TO GOA AND GOANS
Value education and teaching. Nice submission for the GOAN SENIORS E-book. George GIVING BACK TO GOA AND GOANS By Mrs. Electra M. Karandikar Way back in my childhood the role model I looked upon was my mother. She had started an English school during Portuguese times extending help to those parents who wanted their wards to learn English. I could see the outpouring of gratitude of these people who wanted an English education. I learnt that progress meant intellectual prosperity and success the outcome of ones role in society. The role one plays for the betterment in each others lives. So the opportunity to contribute towards this end resulted in my becoming a teacher too. When I joined the teaching profession, I looked at it as a vocation and not as a job. Teaching for me seemed like a noble service rendered to the young who adore you with unblinking love and never question your judgement. Considering this, I felt that I had to learn more to share with my students and therefore, I did my B.Ed and M. Ed after marriage. The teaching profession made me realize that I was dealing with live clay where I could mould the young into personalities of acumen, diligence and reservoirs of knowledge. I taught in a rural school, Geography being my favourite subject I took my students through journeys of varied lands, helping them build mental maps and wherever possible using all media and materials to help them comprehend different cultures, people and their heritage. At every juncture I tried to imbibe in them values of tolerance, sensitiveness to the physically challenged, the very young and the very old and raising awareness of their precious surroundings. All this was done not only in the classroom but outdoors too when such a method was not used by schools in days gone by. Building a rapport with my students was my primary aim so that I could gain their confidence to build up their strengths, so in order to this I visited their homes after school hours to get acquainted with their parents and their background. This exercise helped me to know the loopholes so that I could plug them with understanding, attention and love. This also threw light on the human conflict, their woes, misery, difficulties and ignorance in these peoples lives. I tried to reach out in whatever way I could, but most of all today I see the products of that period, enriched, doing well and happy. The culmination of all this was the Teachers Award I received in 1996 from the Goa government. Having retired after thirty-four years of service as a teacher, and 25 years as a Resource Person I am still actively involved eight years later as a Key Resource person, lecturer, Counsellor at IGNOU and as an advisor to teacher-trainees fulfilling my motto of giving back to Goa and Goans. This is what I always dreamt of and that was, to make our younger generation the pillars of an International society. I have been on the Advisory Committee of the State Institute of Education and The Nirmala Institute of Education. I have also been a Paper Setter and Chief Moderator at the Goa Board. Having authored eighteen books on education during the span of my teaching career it has given me an opportunity for what more I could do. On behalf of the Government of Goa I have co-authored text books in English from standards IV to VII and Geography from V to VII some of which are currently being used. On behalf of the Ministry of Environment & Forests, New Delhi I have contributed to writing the Teachers Manual on Environmental Education for DIET, Goa. I am invited to train teachers right from school to College level in the various Training Colleges of Goa, besides other bodies like the School Super Complexes, the Goa Chamber of Commerce & Industry, The Navodaya Training Institute, etc. I lecture on Value education, Environmental education, Leadership Development, Evaluation Techniques, Methodology in education, etc. These encounters have taken me through the entire state of Goa. The interaction with in-service and pre-service teachers has definitely enriched the teacher cycle from teacher to taught. This enrichment re-vibrates when in turn I see teachers whom I have trained as Resource persons delivering their goods for the betterment of the community. The satisfaction at the end of a workshop, the beautiful smiles, the acknowledgement and my deep feeling of having shared my knowledge, thoughts, ideas, ideals with the next generation teachers is what I call GIVING BACK! ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] DJ RYANs & Vasco Boy Murder- Update
Hi Guys, Baseball bat, Bloody clothes used in the crime recovered. see report. Note: This has the reference to my yesterday's mail on Various DJs in Goa.. Where I said there are up to 3 DJs by the name 'Ryan' and there would be just One Ryan Pinto By reading today's NT. (See pic insert) it is now evidedent that there are more than one RYAN PINTOs. The real name of accused Ryan Pinto is Jovita Ryan Francisco dos Remdious Pinto A third year law student at MS Salgaokars College of Law, Miramar, as this was disclosed by his own maternal uncle in Today's GT under caption 'The role of the police seems odd'. Where as another DJ Ryan Pinto has inserted a display add in NT (see pic) saying 'PLEASE DON'T CONFUSE ME TO THE OTHER RYANS' http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk4/218928137/ i only give this update only to prove I was wrong in yesterday's mail to say there would be only one Ryan Pinto. The dabate on DJs started when some of you wanted to know 'Which Ryan'? Readership update: Second day's reporting - Boy's best friends are the 'kidnappers & Killer'- http://flickr.com/photos/joegoauk4/217450200/ has straight gone to TOP TEN i.e. No.10 (from 130) The other 'Vasco boy Kidnapped and now Killed' at No.13 http://flickr.com/photos/joegoauk4/216617021/ Where as Macazan Priest Murder reporting is at No. 2 & 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa & NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ Konkani Songs, Goan Photos, Tiatr/Film VCDs, Bank interest rates etc etc (for updates etc click below) http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/files/ ___ Try the all-new Yahoo! Mail. "The New Version is radically easier to use" The Wall Street Journal http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Joe Fereira's Konkani Tiatro
Joe Fereira's Konkani Masterpiece As promised Joe Fereira announces the final countdown of his maiden Konkani masterpiece titled ''AMCHE MODEM JIELO'' under the home banner Wen-Wen Entertainers. The curtains open at 3.30pm on 15th September 2006 at the famous Hawally A/C Auditorium. Kuwait. To enthrall the Kuwait Konkani audience the director has roped in the cream of Konkani artistes from Goa led by Antonette de Calangute, Olga, Ana, Comedians Domnic & Ambe and powerful singer Junior Rod. Joining the Goan stars the Kuwait based artistes to set the stage alight with power is the famous Nana Patekar of the Konkani Stage Donald Colaco, artistic Simon Gonsalves, aristocratic Cajetan de Sanvordem, personified Joseph Rodrigues alongwith Mario de Majorda, Lawrie M, Clara, Ignatius de Xelvon, Nelson, Vicky Vaz, Katty de Navelim, upcoming stars of the konkani stage Clifford & Terrence and from the home town of the director steps in Zorro, Joe Fereira and Xavier Furtado. Musical score by Dennis (bass) Faustino (trumpet) Philip (keyboards) Philip (lead) and Agnelo (drums). Sound by Spiders. Going by the enthusiasm shown so far by the konkani loving audience to the director who has been oustanding in the one act plays in kuwait, it is quite obvious that crowd is going to throng on 15th September 2006 to watch this masterpiece which is purely indegenious from the pen of Joe Fereira. So do not wait till the last minute to book your seat . Plans open at Raja Stores in Kuwait City and with the promoters on 7983546, 9493035, 7651460 & 9114634 The proceeds of this show will go to an well known Charitable Institution for Child Welfare and Underprivileged Children in Goa. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/attachments/20060819/ee7b106c/attachment.html ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] The Goan child and childhood
And while on the subject, let me sing a song of praise to our own pediatrician in Goa, Dr Lilly Sequeira-Sukhija (some may know her as the daughter of the late Jack de Sequeira, and wife of Mr Sukhija who runs the Panjim Inn, if I got my names right). Not for nothing is she popular among so many parents in Goa. She has brought up a generation of kids (as has Dr O Nazareth in Mapusa, another well-appreciated doctor.) Dr Lilly talks to young mothers as if she was their mother-in-law. In a very firm but friendly manner. "You're mad or what?" she would sometimes ask an overly-worried mother, in a simultaneously familar and friendly manner, immediately putting her fears to rest, when a child is struck by a routine monsoonal or change-of-weather ailment. She's the last one to push that does of now-fashionable antibiotics or unnecessary vaccines on her young patients. Before prescribing medicines, she first asks the parents what they have with them at home. This is strange, at a time when a growing number of doctors seem to want to ensure that the pharma business keeps in business. Doing good business. Talking about paediatricians, our own Dr Jose Colaco is there. But one has never had the chance to consult him, since he is sitting half-way around the world. Or maybe, I am. --FN On 19/08/06, Mervyn Lobo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > According to my wife, our child has not yet seen a > pediatrician. Maybe were are just lucky. However, my > wife also says that the norm here in Canada is to see > a family doctor first-- --- Frederick Noronha http://fn.goa-india.org 9822122436 +91-832-240-9490 http://fredericknoronha.wordpress.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Goans and the Parsi Community/response Roland
Dear Roland & Mervyn, In this connection I also want to say that strong bonds between the Parsi and Goan also existed in the Gulf. Whether these were carried on from those that existed in Bombay, or whether the Parsi felt a natural inclination to bond with another diasporic figure, I do not know. Parsi bosses almost invariably had a fondness for that very quintessence of Goan professionalism in the Gulf, the Goan secretary. Selma -- --- Mervyn Lobo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Roland Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The Goan people in Bombay had the strongest bond > > with the Parsis, among all > > other Indian communities. There is no basis in > > contemporary history for that > > bond, except that both these communities served > the > > British Raj loyally and steadfastly. > > > Roland, > The "bond" the Goans had with the Parsis were not > restricted to Bombay alone. A similar relationship > existed in the early 1900's in E. Africa. > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Kovita: Agostachi Vis Tarik
Agostachi Vis Tarik A smitai vhorunk visrunk na G oem soddun pordesan vhetana O stom, dokxinn sonvsar bhonvtana S onskrutaen amchi fatt soddlina T iatr, mandde, deknni dulpodam A mchem daiz samballun dovorlam C hali-riti utsov-festam H ansun khelltat pordeshi Goenkaram I xttagottichim banddun doram V eg-veglea sobhavache Goenkar I tihas-ache poromparen ghusla S onstha, klub ekvott samballta. T arik vis Agostachi 1992 A mkam ek vhodd anondachi R ajbhas Konknni amchi I ndia-che 8ve ghottnen bhitor kaddli K huxalkaen World Goa Day palltat ami Lino B. Dourado (Utodddekar) http://www.goa-world.com/goa/poems http://www.mail-archive.com/cgi-bin/htsearch?config=gulf-goans_yahoogroups_com&restrict=&exclude=&words=Lino+B.+Dourado __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Are there any Goans in the Lusofonia games team?
The Lusofonia games are to be held in Macau from the 7th to 15 October. A brief glimpse of the team shows that there some outsiders having names as Kumar and Imran Khan as members of the team for Taekwondo event and it is believed they are sure medal winners according to one Shirodkar. Does anybody know the constitution of the Goa team? Goa is taking part in 6 of the 8 events: Athletics, football, taekwondo,table tennis, volleyball indoors and beach volleyball. BC ___ Try the all-new Yahoo! Mail. "The New Version is radically easier to use" The Wall Street Journal http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] The rule about names & women
Dear Frederick, You may be surprised how many silent women readers there are on the net that don't feel inclined to post. One issue maybe the testosterone-fueled subject range may not hold interest for women. To that end I am trying to write on some subjects that may interest women and hopefully bring them out of hiding. The other reason is, for anyone to survive on forums, one has to be as tough as nails and many women shy away from wanting to swim with the sharks. selma --- "Frederick \"FN\" Noronha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We had a lot more women members on Goanet then. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Book Review "Penance": A novel by Ben Antao
Book Review by By Silviano C. Barbosa, author of the novel, The Sixth Night August 19, 2006 Novel, Penance by Ben Antao Publisher Goan Observer, Goa, India Soft cover, 329 Pages I have just finished reading the Canadian novel, Penance by Canadian Goan author Ben Antao and published by Goan Observer, Panjim, Goa, India. Its too bad the North American publishers still shy away from Goan novels and novelists. I am sure if Rohinton Mistry had submitted this novel to Alfred Knopf or any other big name publishers, it would have been published. But Rohinton has not yet published any Canadian based novel so far, a fact not ignored by his Canadian critics. Author Ben Antao has succeeded in his first foray into a mainstream Canadian novel. The fact that Ben has based this novel on a more than familiar Catholic way of life and the fact that he is married to his Canadian born wife and also the fact that he worked as a professional high school teacher in Toronto, has all worked very well for him in his portrayal of the Canadian Catholic teachers intricate way of life in this Canadian novel. As a result the ethnic novelist leaves no stone unturned in making it a full fledged Canadian novel, and not an ethnic one. This novel is well written with some lively scenes, flashbacks, monologues, a keen human observation and a precise narrative. The book has been well edited. The novel is just about 60,000 words, a little too short for a full fledged novel, and the reader ends up wanting for more. But the author makes up for this by using double line spacing, which makes the book much easier and faster to read and also makes it 329 pages long. The first part of the novel follows the pattern indicated on the books blurb, as the author uncovers the background of his characters with his typical show-and-tell craft, which most modern novelists adhere to. The second part is lot more interesting and as the novel comes almost to an unexpected end, it holds the readers undivided attention so much so that you cant possibly put the book down as the tragic end just bowls you over. The author employs so much of his Catholic religious belief and doctrine in his writing as the novel progresses and regresses with flash-backs and transitions and taking us back to the sixties, that it almost looks like you are reading Bible at times, replete with visuals of existence of God and some explicit sex thrown in, all at the same time and on the same page. The imagery used in this novel, especially the conservative way of life of all the characters, who happen to be staunchly Catholic, and who eventually become teachers, shapes up a real world full of living colours. The author skillfully puts all pieces of the jigsaw puzzle together in the story and switches between characters seamlessly and makes transitions very easy on the reader. I must point out I had a little hard time figuring out the timeline of the story though. The book is heavy on emotions, except in one case where I was certainly looking forward to a really emotive meeting between the father and his young son, who longed to see his father after a long separation from his mother, but unfortunately the author missed a great opportunity to quench the readers thirst for this sensational reunion. But the end is completely captivating and suspenseful, and makes up for all the logical sequences in the first part. I found all four characters to be too perceptive of each other, a fact not too common in real life. All the scenes are eloquently accomplished, complete with minute details such as the facial and body features and even the clothes, the deportment and demeanor of each character. Seans (the son) character, which was more conspicuous by its absence in the first half, figures prominently at the very end. The morality of the story may not have much bearing or relevance in todays modern times, but it did occupy a pride of place in the Catholic society right up to the sixties, and brings lots of nostalgia to those who lived through those innocent times. After reading this novel, if you are a true believer in the Roman Catholic Church, you will never look at the opposite sex in a luscivious way, especially if you are married or committed, else you would have to pay for your dear life with grave consequences as depicted in this novel. Ultimately, no matter what you believe in, you will have to pay for your sins. There is no free lunch. Like they say in Goa Korit to Bogit. And pay you must, either now or later, as the title aptly says it all, through Penance! I loved this novel! Silviano C. Barbosa, Author of the novel, The Sixth Night http://ca.geocities.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ . ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] The rule about names
--- "Frederick \"FN\" Noronha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Do you guys remember the time when Herman suspended >a member, sometimes in 1996 or so? I recall though >most of us were angry with that person who got >suspended (I don't recall who it was). But after the >suspension, there was a whole lot of sympathy for him. > If I am not mistaken, the poor guy reacted strongly in private to bigoted private hate-emails from a internet troll called Nguyen or Nyugen, and the latter character then posted his expletive-laced private email on Goanet. The Nguyen guy was really nasty, but he did all his serial abuse in private. Several of us with Hindu-sounding names, or with some affinity towards India or things Indian, were targeted by him. Perhaps, he is still around as a silent netter. He may even have been posting under his real name or another pseudonym. Cheers, Santosh ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Goan victim of racism in the UK
Hi Gabe Thanks for providing, on Goanet, the letter from E. Pinto. I feel very sorry for the young student's very bad experience. There can be no excuse for it whatsoever and I hope the English people in Goa will have read about it in the Herald. By way of comment, although it is quite remarkable how millions of visible minorities have settled quite satisfactorily in the UK over a relatively short period of time, nationally, there are many reported incidents as above. The number that go unreported must be even greater. Sadly, such cases can emerge out of the blue but sometimes peak in crisis times. A link, in this instance seems to be the alleged terrorist activitry of some groups. I hope E. Pinto's friend will somehow get over his painful experience at the hands of three moronic yobs. His college counselling service may be able to provide some help too. The only solace I can offer is that, although my family and I, and wide circle of acquaintances have not encountered such a bad experience ever over a period of decades, it can help to be able to read anticipatory signs for such possibilities, particularly in poorer geographical areas. With this in mind, I would be happy to be in touch with E. Pinto as well as any new students from Goa starting College in the UK soon. Cornel DaCosta, London. - Original Message - From: "Gabe Menezes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 5:19 PM Subject: [Goanet] Goan victim of racism in the UK > http://oheraldo.in/node/18058 > > Goan victim of racism in the UK > I am a Goan, marine engineering student studying at the South Tyneside > college, South shields, Tyne & Wear, United KIngdom. The following > incident has taken place and would be grateful if you would include > this in the Letters column of ur esteemed newspaper. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Bad Example
DEGENERATION IN MORALITY AND ETHICS The brutal killing of Mander by his friends, law students, for easy life of liscence, and greed for big money shows what degeneration in morality and ethics going unchecked can do! Religion of all these boys has not been able to overcome worship of money.This is alsoclearly showing in our highest forums of governance, the Lok and Rajya Sabha. The CAG reports cannot control avariciousness of our RULERS! The purchase of luxury aircraft for Ministers, proposed dilution of RTI, sending OoP Bill back to The President twice(luckily, we have a principled President, and even he is rendered helpless), increasing the MPLAD scheme to 2 crores instead of scrapping it, and now giving themselves a further hefty hike in salaries , doubling pension AND increase of constituency allowances and more, quickly passed ,inspite of all their considerable perks and shameful showing on the floor of the House, sets a bad example for others to follow." CHALTA HAI " ATTITUDE CARRIES ON REGARDLESS. I read that a 67 strong Goa contigent is proceeding to Macau, out of which 46 are sportspersons and 21(so far, ie about half) are officials! In this Television and internet age, there is no need for Sports Minister,Presidents, Secretaries etc to go on foreign jaunts at the slightest excuse. Isnt there enough work for them here?Who gives permission,sanctions funds, gets anything out of this ?With parents and citizens jumping on this bandwagon, abdicating responsibility , what kind of society are we creating? ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Sonapur Church
I remember the small restuarant in the lane where there was David & Co. The restaurant was opposite the back entrance of Snowflake. It belonged to Timothy, a known bootlegger. He a Mangalorean and his wife a Goan. Timothy was later shoat at and paralyed. He had by then moved to a posh apartment in Cuffe Parade. Not sure if he is still alive. He had many problems with Snowflake, who were my friends. Once he picked up a fight and I happened to be there. I called the Princess Street Police Station where I knew some officers. They went to his house and he, seen that these policemen were not familiar faces as his area came under the Bori Bunder Police Station, he raised a stick. One of the officers later told me that had he struck any of us he would have shot him. They dragged him, almost naked, across the Snowflake floor to their van parked on the front side of Snowflake. Timothy used to pay "apta" (bribe) to the Bori Bunder police, whose head was an anglo-Indian, a tall and beefy man. (I forget his name). Timothy also owned another restaurant in the lane opp Snowflake's front entrance. It is in a gully. Timothy wanted to buy Snowflake but since the owners turned down all his offers he was angry with them. So, he began to harass them. Eugene Correia __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Sonapur Church
Bastora and Anjuna/Vagator clubs are above Kayani restaurant and Guirim club is on the second floor of Dinsha Mahal. From the balcony of Bastora union we had a clear view of municipal library, Bastani, snow flakes, Vienna, fruit kiosk... In the early 80's my friends at Bastora union showed me Lorna walking to and fro from her work place. Amazingly they knew the precise time she passed by. The balconies are no more after the renovation. Fond memories of my stay in Bastora union during the summer vacation back then. Avelino Hi, There is also one house in the lane of David and Co, which caters food and is crowded in the afternoons, with lots of Goans who eat there. I believe the people who do the catering are Mangloreans. It was a chance happening that I heard of this place and really enjoyed the food. As for Hotel Vienna, its now a lodging with rooms available. Last time I had gone there, their restaurant business had closed down. As for the water melon juice as mentioned by Eugene, I tried in Mapuca in the cold drink shop near the temple, ( not Hanuman cold drink shop) and it really sucked, I would give 100 marks for the one available in Kayani. Cheers Jerry Fernandes From: Edward Verdes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Eugene, Bastani is closed, Kyani is still open... In Jan when I went down for my usual quota of Konkani music cassettes, Bastani was closed. I remember the cashier used to keep a live cock at the cash counter. On 3rd Marine street, there is a restaurant 'Nova Goa' but they were not so good. Edward Verdes > It was mentioned that Joe Rose had a restaurant. His > father had a hair-cutting saloon. > As for the other Goan restaurants, Snowflake is still > running. But the restaurant is divided, with one part > as a nursery school. > Last year had bread pudding and "market" (chai/coffee > mix), later same week watermelon juice at Bastani. > Surprised to know Kyani closed down. > In Toronto, a new Indian restaurant has been started > by Goans who served Goan dishes. It had a stall at > Viva Goa and from where I ordered bhel puri. The > lineup for Goan dishes was too long. > > eugene ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] 2 interesting links & my full name
--- Aristo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Why doesn't America believe in evolution? > >http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=mg19125653.700 > Aristo, This is a major problem right now. Miller's survey and the fact that 14 U.S. states have pending legislation that would mandate the introduction of unscientific religious creationist ideas in the high school science curriculum, have raised an alarm within the science community. This year's annual meeting of American Association for the Advancement of Science was devoted substantially to addressing this problem. Cheers, Santosh ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Domnic's Silver Jubilee at work
Congratulations Domnic! May Silver not turn to Gold, in this case, so that you can enjoy the fruits of your labour in a foreign land. I'm sure you are looking forward to a retired life that will include living in Goa - your beloved Gaumvaddy in Anjuna. And yes please keep those keys clicking in harmony with the neurons in the depth of your mind, that bring forth such unimaginable articles from a refreshing perspective unheard of. Looking forward to the publication of your book. Viva! - Bosco On Fri Aug 18 08:16:14 PDT 2006, Cecil Pinto wrote: Just wanted to let everyone know that our very own Domnic Fernandes, who has been regaling us with his recounting of what happened in the Goa of yore, today completes 25 years working for Saudi Aramco. I am sure many will join me in wishing him all the best and hoping that his pen never runs dry, or to put it in modern terms, that his memory stick never fails! ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Gilbert's Benign neglect
Hi Gilbert, I think Santosh and the gang is just over reacting to what you said about atheists, smokers and people who cheat. I , on the other hand, think you are on to something here, and would love for you to elaborate with your long and thoughtful responses to these few questions. These are not Yes or No answer questions, as you have made it clear that I would think of you as a sucker otherwise, and that is certainly not so. Q1) What is immoral about benevolent atheist/agnostic, that is, if it is not an "oxymoron" (your current favorite word) ? Do you have a benign neglect towards atheists like Helen Keller, Abraham Lincoln, Benjamin Franklin, George Bernard Shaw, Jawaharlal Nehru, John Stuart Mill? Why? Q2) What is immoral about smokers who smoke in private, and do not affect the health of others but themselves? Q3) What is immoral about divorcee's who come to mutual and amicable agreement of seperation (considering equal custody of the children)? Q4) What is the moral equivalence of the above three people, who do not hurt anybody else, to the people who cheat on their partner, thus hurting the partner? Q5) Why is it only theists can be moral and atheists cannot be? Eagerly awaiting your reply. Don't feel inhibited to write a long one. The longer, the better. Thanks. Cheers, Aristo. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] World Goa Day Local Area Contact - Do Join/Enjoy Your Day
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[Goanet] Hitler
Now that this discussion on Hitler is into a more intellectual stage, I would like to add my two cents. >From my first-hand conversations with German-Americans who lived in Germany >during the war, one needs to separate the Third Reich rule in the first half >from the second half of the regime. Most Germans and others agree that Hitler >and the Nazis were great during the first half of their reign. During this >period, they pulled the country out of internal political and economic chaos >and provided national self-respect after World War I. Hence the Pope and the >Church may for very good reasons supported Hitler for the first period. The >right-wing regime was also a bulwark against the neighboring communist USSR. So the take home message, form this case study is that people change. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Just because something / opinion is written in black and white, it does not make it true/ factual / correct. Some individuals like to quote books without knowing the authors' agenda. Some refuse to accept the bias even after "studying" the work. They rather parrot, refer and interpret the material endlessly, to support their own agenda and perspectives. The third aspect, is the limitations of looking at history from a narrow and focused perspective. For starters, historians view events in a short time capsule. Ten years of evolving history may be compressed into one page. This gets further distorted if the historical actions are separated from the social-political-economic and other historical environment of the time. This is like someone trying to analyze the current Iraq war without linking it to the atmosphere post 9/11/2001. Or trying to analyze the London bombings without a connection to far-away Iraq and Afghanistan. That will likely be done 50-100 years for now. Finally, the pope is accused of being silent while the Holocaust occurred. How much does the State of Israel today heed the requests from the Church to end the genocide of the displaced Palestinian people? Other popes received a similar reaction to their pleas and prayers to stop the wars in the Mid-East over the last twenty years. So the Pope's desires and success / failure are easier debated than accomplished. Kind Regards, GL --- Frederick wrote: * Cornwell, like other scholars, made use of the Vatican archives to research the conduct of Eugenio Pacelli, both as Nuncio to Germany and as Pope. Thus, according to Cornwell, Pope Pius XII facilitated the dictator's rise and, ultimately, the Holocaust * The nature of the Nazi Party's relations with the Catholic Church is also complicated. Before Hitler rose to power, many Catholic priests and leaders vociferously opposed Nazism on the grounds of its incompatibility with Christian morals. Nazi Party membership was forbidden until the takeover and a policy reversal. At his trial Franz von Papen said that until 1936 the Catholic Church hoped for a Christian alignment to the beneficial aspects he said they saw in national socialism. (This statement came after Pope Pius XII ended Von Papen's appointment as Papal chamberlain and ambassador to the Holy See, but before his restoration under Pope John XXIII.) In 1937 Pope Pius XI issued the encyclical Mit brennender Sorge condemning Nazi ideology. The Catholic opposition to the euthanasia programs led them to be quietly ended in August 28, 1941, (according to Spielvogel pp. 257-258,) but the German Catholics never protested Nazi anti-Semitism in any comparable way. In Nazi Germany, all known political dissenters were imprisoned, and many priests were sent to the concentration camps for their opposition, including the parson of the Berlin Cathedral Bernhard Lichtenberg. Among the punished priests were Poles persecuted primarily for their nationality. However, Hitler was never directly excommunicated by the Catholic Church and several Catholic bishops in Germany or Austria are recorded as encouraging prayers of support for "The F?hrer;" this despite the fact the original Reichsconcordate of Germany with the Holy See proscribed any active political participation by the priesthood. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Agostachi Vis Tarik
00 Agostachi Vis Tarik A smitai vhorunk visrunk na G oem soddun pordesan vhetana O stom, dokxinn sonvsar bhonvtana S onskrutaen amchi fatt soddlina T iatr, mandde, deknni dulpodam A mchem daiz samballun dovorlam C hali-riti utsov-festam H ansun khelltat pordeshi Goenkaram I xttagottichim banddun doram V eg-veglea sobhavache Goenkar I tihas-ache poromparen ghusla S onstha, klub ekvott samballta. T arik vis Agostachi 1992 A mkam ek vhodd anondachi R ajbhas Konknni amchi I ndia-che 8ve ghottnen bhitor kaddli K huxalkaen World Goa Day palltat ami Lino B. Dourado (Utodd’dekar) ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Shut-up, men!
And so many other words which are etymologically Portuguese but are now completely and firmly rooted in "amchi bhas", used by all irrespective of social stratum or religion, and niched - as Fr. Loiola Pereira very well puts it - in respectable Konkani lexicons. Their number is legions, I should say. I am referring to such words as "konsumisanv", "amizad", "burak", "kopel", "irmid" and many more; and, to speak of hybrids, how about "xekiment" (from the Konkani "xekim" and the Portuguese ending "mente")? Jorge - Original Message - From: "Joaquim Loiola Pereira" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2006 3:32 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Shut-up, men! > Paulo, > > Kujin, kuzner, patrao, sossegad (like zonel, mez, igroz, kazar) are > etymologically Portuguese words which are used also by Hindus while > speaking > Konkani. Add to it falsidad, kuriosidad, maldisanv, konfusanv and even > hybrid Konkani-Portuguese words like kerkerasanv and sogleament! Some of > these words are niched in respectable Konkani lexicons written by Hindu > Konkanists. > > Joaquim. > > > -Original Message- > From: "Paulo Colaco Dias" > > Richard, before the English words, lots and lots of Portuguese words were > introduced into catholic Konkani such as vestido, cozinha, juramento, > cozinheiro, patrao, sossegado, (!), (a)cabar, etc. etc. > ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] The Goan literary tradition - what does the future hold?
Reading the E-Seniors notebook, I am struck by how strong the literary tradition is, in Goa. The beautiful narratives transport us to a time most of us are unaware of and would be lost forever but for the eloquent words of these men and women. It is amazing how a small state in India managed to produce so many great writers spanning four languages. The feat is akin to that of Ireland. It is said that the lush Irish green, its wet weather and a hoary Celtic imagination often fueled by myriad spirits is what brings out the writer and poet in the Irish. Certainly we share the green, the wet and the spirit in its many forms, with the Irish. There is a wandering minstrel and poet in every Goan soul and it stirs to life with pen and paper. Much of Goa's unpublished talent that came of age as the colonial era snaked to an end, doubtless received little encouragement to follow a life in the arts. Nevertheless the wandering mistral persevered amidst this reluctance. Some became professors at universities and took to writing only part-time. The generations that followed fared much worse. The choice after secondary schooling was narrowed down to three streams of education, science, commerce or arts, of which arts was definitely looked upon with much disdain. Perhaps the quantum of those that followed their literary ambitions had diminished but certainly not the zeal and the talent, which is evident in the prolific writers of Goa today. What does the future hold for the Goan literary tradition? It is for the literary luminaries of today to pave the way, to battle outmoded ideas that exist surrounding a life involved in the arts and create opportunities for young writers to put their best pens forward. A society bankrupt of its artistic heritage and future is a society bereft of imagination, values, foresight and ultimately its soul. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Compiled List of MESSAGES FOR WORLD GOA DAY -2006
OO CANADA 0 ooo MESSAGE FOR WORLD GOA DAY - Oscar Furtado - President GOA TORONTO , Canada. ooo It's that time again! An opportunity for us to celebrate our proud heritage. The goans from Toronto Canada send their best wishes to goans around the world as we celebrate WORLD Goa Day on August 20th. As we have in the past, we start our celebrations early as we host Viva Goa on July 29th. Viva Goa attracts many goans from around the world. We welcome goans from around the worldâ¦.mark your calendars! Once again we have designated our Viva Goa celebrations as part of our Goa Day celebration. The goans in Toronto strongly believe in Goan unity and solidarity. It is this unity with goans around the world that will give us a strong voice in times of need. Every year the attendance at Viva Goa continues to grow. We expect the numbers to exceed 6000 goans this year. We use this day to celebrate our culture, heritage and proud traditions through dance and shows, sporting events and fine cuisine. Celebrating Goa Day is very important as we have an opportunity to reflect on what it is like being a Goan while sharing this experience with family and friends. The goans from Toronto continue to support Goan unity and solidarity around the world. We salute Rene Barreto who has shown great leadership in helping bring Goans around the world together to celebrate Goa Day. We have reached a very important crossroad in determining where we take our solidarity. The goans from Toronto continue to pledge their commitment and support to the formation of an âAlliance of World Goa Organizationsâ. We are ready to start discussions with Goan organizations around the world to determine how we can all benefit from such an alliance. We strongly believe that the Goan community around the world has a very important voice. People will listen to us if we are united. Best wishes to all goans as we celebrate Goa Day 2006. Oscar Furtado, President, GOA Toronto, www.goatoronto.com WORLD GOA DAY messages http://www.goatoronto.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=137&Itemid=62 updated 18.8.2006 -- -- CANADA --- THE GOAN OVERSEAS ASSOCIATION, VANCOUVER -- " THE GOAN OVERSEAS ASSOCIATION, VANCOUVER, CANADA, WISHES ALL GOANS WORLDWIDE A VERY HAPPY AND ENJOYABLE DAY. WE ARE A TRULY BLESSED COMMUNITY OF PEOPLE FROM ALL WALKS OF LIFE WHO HAVE MADE TREMENDOUS CONTRIBUTIONS IN EVERY COUNTRY THAT WE GOANS HAVE LIVED IN. LET US BE PROUD OF OUR HERITAGE AND CONTINUE TO SET AN EXAMPLE FOR OTHERS. IT WOULD GREAT IF WE COULD ALL SPEAK AS ONE PEOPLE WITH ONE VOICE." Cleto Dos Remedios Vice President GOA, Vancouver, Canada CANADA --- WORLD GOA DAY 2006 - MONTREAL ~~ World Goa Day - “The day for (world-wide) Goan solidarity.” BEST WISHES FROM: THE QGA PRESIDENT AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD 0 - "Good ideas are two a penny. They only become valuable when someone implements them.Then they become innovation." - AUSTRALIA ===- -- WORLD GOA DAY -GOA NSW - -AUSTRALIA. MESSAGE from Glenn DCruz, President, GOA NSW Inc. === === GOAN OVERSEAS ASSOCIATION NSW INC. GPO BOX 4572, SYDNEY NSW 2001 18 August 2006 On the eve of our World Goa Day celebrations in Sydney, Australia the Goa NSW Inc executive wish to express solidarity with the Alliance of World Goan Organisations. We commend you on your initiative of a World Goa Day and again with the initiative of a worldwide alliance of Goan organisations. We believe and support this initiative of yours as it will help build the Goan identity across borders and enable our young to achieve their potential as leaders of tomorrow. Subject to ratification of this support at the AGM of the GOA NSW Inc in September we look forward to participating in your vision. Our celebrations begin on 20th August 2006 with Mass being celebrated by Goan priest Joe Cardoso and Father Dinesh Mcwan. The afternoon will include some cultural dances and Goan food. We look forward to welcoming you Down Unde
[Goanet] Happy Birthday TGF and Happy World Goa Day 2006
Happy Birthday TGF and Happy World Goa Day 2006 TGF leads its frontpage with this theme Please visit http://www.colaco.net . If you are a regular visitor to the site, please hit REFRESH on your browser ...so that the NEW page appears. good wishes all jc please visit "NEW" on The Goan Forum at http://www.colaco.net Recommended Goa related sites 1. http://www.goa-world.com 2. http://www.SuperGoa.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] The goan child and childhood /Melinda Coutinho Powell
Selma wrote: . But I will say this. Long live the Goan childhood. From a cursory look at children in Goa, I know they are healthy, happy and enjoying the innocence of childhood just as every child should." Hi Selma, I loved what you wrote ,and I agree fully with what you say. Long live the Goan childhood. Goa has its fair share of problems,but bringing up children in Goa is a happy ,positive experience. Im sure Westerners love their kids as much as we love ours,but perhaps their lifestyles,their jobs,do not allow them the luxury of "time" and "energy".Also in an attempt to make children independent ,they start really young and I find it cruel. Tiny infants ,sleeping alone in nurseries,crying themselves to sleep is sad .Children need a lot of hugging,and kissing and comfort and security.They dont ask for much,just your presence.They will get independent eventually,why rush them?I think not only children are deprived,but parents miss out on precious moments with their children. Like you mention,we have grandparents here to lend us a hand.Grandma's patiently feed kids,tell them stories ,babysit the kids etc.So the strain is not on the parents.Also, we have maids to help out with misc jobs. Another difference is when kids are weaning of the bottle,mothers take the trouble to cook wholesome,nutitious mishmash ( pureed rice,veg,chicken),broths,tizan .There is a lot of love and caring that goes into making that meal.While Heinz and Gerber baby food in a bottle,might have an impressive label and a decent vitamin content,there is nothing like homemade baby food. We feed our toddlers,we cajole them,we try different methods to get them to eat ,we never leave food in front of them,set a time limit ,and expect them to eat.That is fine when they are older but when they are young,they need encouragement and nurturing. Simple routine actions of feeding ,dressing them up ,go a long way in bonding and cementing a parent/child relationship. No baby monitors for us here in Goa,anyway there is no electricity half the time.The greatest security that a child can get from its parents is an arm across its tiny body,a big hug, a feeling of reassurance"Im there for you". I think those of us who have had this kind of a childhood,those of us who can give our kids this kind of childhood are blessed. Regards. Melinda ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Goanet Reader -- The Xenophobia Distraction: Can GoaAfford It?
Hi Goanetters I'd like to repeat an earlier request I made on Goanet some time ago. Does anyone know anything about the sprinter Levy Pinto, once reputed to be the fastest man in Asia? I believe he was located in Mumbai. I am just curious to know if there is anything on record or known about him. His name had come up often in early Goan papers in the sports sections. Cornel DaCosta - Original Message - From: "CARMO DCRUZ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 3:39 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goanet Reader -- The Xenophobia Distraction: Can GoaAfford It? > Hi VM DeMalar, > Thanks for your post. It really warmed the cockles of my Goan Heart when > you > defined with vivid examples that Goans are the World's First Classifiable > World Citizens. However, conspicuously absent were the achievements of... ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Remo live in Concert in Muscat, Al Sawadi Beach Resort thurday 24th August 2006, @ 7:30pm
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Re: [Goanet] Shut-up, men!
Sez who? Richard - Original Message - From: "Paulo Colaco Dias" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!'" Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 1:48 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Shut-up, men! > Richard, before the English words, lots and lots of Portuguese words were > introduced into catholic Konkani such as vestido, cozinha, juramento, > cozinheiro, patrao, sossegado, (!), (a)cabar, etc. etc. > > But I was recently told that the real Konkani has proper words for > everything and in fact, Konkani speaking Hindus do not mix Portuguese and > English with their Konkani... Is that true? > > Paulo. > > PS: Ever since I learned "Ugi Rao", can't stop using it! :-) > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:goanet- > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of richard > > Sent: 31 December 2001 19:59 > > To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! > > Subject: Re: [Goanet] Shut-up, men! > > > > Hi, > > In fact many times I laugh at my own self when I think of my younger days > > and the way we used to pronounce the words without in the least bit > > realizing that they were English words. > > The railways tracks were just a few metres away from my aunt's house in > > Majorda and every time a train passed we used to say "Guddus train geli". > > It > > was much much later that I realized that it was actually 'goods' > > train.Some > > of these English words rendered into Konkani were brought by people coming > > from Bombay as the famous word, auntie. > > Richard Cabral > > ___ > Goanet mailing list > Goanet@lists.goanet.org > http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] albert writes
Albert writes There are many Goans who like to taste goan dishes but they do not have the recipes with them. Futobol is a goan sweet prepared from coconut eggs and sugar. The recipe is as follows. To make it short I shall give only the method. Take two nice little tender coconut and desiccate it. Grind the desiccated coconut with very little or no water Put in it 5-6 elachis (inside only) while grinding and keep aside. Take 8 eggs. Separate the yolk from white. Whip the yolk .Put sugar (1/2 kilo) in the eggsand stir till the sugar is dissolved. Put rawa(1/2kilo) in the mixture and stir it well. Put the grounded coconut and make uniform paste Add essence and keep mixture overnight. Preheat the oven for 10 minutes (the next day) at 70 degrees centigrade and bake it for45 minutes. Do not forget to send me two slices Albert DSouza _ Sexy, sultry, sensuous. - see why Bipasha Basu is all that and more. Try MSN Search http://server1.msn.co.in/Profile/bipashabasu.asp ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Lavy Pinto [Was: Re: Goanet Reader -- The Xenophobia Distraction: Can GoaAfford It?]
CORNEL WROTE: Hi Goanetters, I'd like to repeat an earlier request I made on Goanet some time ago. Does anyone know anything about the sprinter Levy Pinto, once reputed to be the fastest man in Asia? I believe he was located in Mumbai. I am just curious to know if there is anything on record or known about him. His name had come up often in early Goan papers in the sports sections. Cornel DaCosta FN NOTES: Sports is not my area of interest, but a search on Google is all it takes. Guess you're referring to Lavy Pinto. See http://wapurl.co.uk/?5SYD68W which has lots of references (a shorter URL for Google search). THE TRIBUNE says: http://whttp://www.tribuneindia.com/2002/20021005/spr-trib.htmww.tribuneindia.com/2002/20021005/spr-trib.htm Lavy Pinto became the fastest man in Asia bagging the 100 metres and 200 metres in athletics, a discipline that gave India 10 gold. And, check this: DINNER WITH 'SPRINT KING' LAVY PINTO CHICAGO, June 21: Dr. Avertano Noronha organised a dinner the great Goan track-star Lavy Pinto in Chicago recently. Lavy Pinto (Ex-Morod Mapusa, Nairobi Kenya, and Bombay) won the gold medals in the 100m, 200m sprints in the 1950 Asian Games and represented India in the 1952 Olympics. It was a memorable dinner as Lavy reminisced about his birthplace Nairobi, growing up in the South Bombay area and his school and college days at St. Xavier's School and College, his athletic career, which won him the title of The Fastest Man in Asia" in 1950, his working career at Tatas and his stints at the Taj Mahal Hotel and Air India and his subsequent arrival in the US in 1969. Lavy is very proud of his five grown up children, many of whom live in the Chicago area. (Dr. CARMO DCRUZ [EMAIL PROTECTED]) From http://www.goacom.com/joel/news/2006/june/22june06.htm -- --- Frederick Noronha http://fn.goa-india.org 9822122436 +91-832-240-9490 http://fredericknoronha.wordpress.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Goans and the Parsi Community/response Roland
Did this have something to do that both these communities were rather Westernised, somewhat (in different ways) priviledged during colonial rule with preferences in enterprise or jobs, also having gained from colonial trade or expansion, and not really competing in the same place in cities like Mumbai (but probably playing a complementary role with each other)? --FN On 19/08/06, Carvalho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In this connection I also want to say that strong > bonds between the Parsi and Goan also existed in the > Gulf. Whether these were carried on from those that > existed in Bombay, or whether the Parsi felt a natural > inclination to bond with another diasporic figure, I > do not know. Parsi bosses almost invariably had a > fondness for that very quintessence of Goan > professionalism in the Gulf, the Goan secretary. -- --- Frederick Noronha http://fn.goa-india.org 9822122436 +91-832-240-9490 http://fredericknoronha.wordpress.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Response to Mario Goveia
Goanetters, I was really surprised to find Mario's response (strongly agreed to by Jose) to be so feeble. I hope this is not indicative of him losing his bottle. This surely would not be good for Goanet! My comments interspersed with Mario's post below, will try hard not to be personal, except mildly so, when there is no alternative in the need to make a focused point. Firstly, by way of reiteration, my post on Hitler as a Catholic, was to emphasise (as previously) that, Hitler, Stalin, the Cosa Nostra and the Mafioso are entirely a part of the equation re the much trumpeted "rock solid Christian moral code." No amount of embarrassment about these unsavoury characters, nor peculiar logic for their unwarranted exclusion, can justifiably remove them from the equation/debate. - Original Message - From: "Mario Goveia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 8:33 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Gilbert's wisdom versus Cornel's misrepresentations > --- cornel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> After all, the firm evidence that, Hitler a >> firm believer in Catholicism all his life, was also >> possibly the greatest murderer of all time, should >> set you thinking. >> > Mario observes: >> > There is absolutely no logic or common sense in the > gross misrepresentation that Hitler was a "firm > believer in Catholicism all his life" since Hitler > spent most of his adult life publicly rejecting and > violating every single one of the rock solid tenets of > Catholicism. CORNEL: * The point made by me is one based on research evidence and definitely NOT meant to address something odd called Mario's logic or commonsense. Mario's logic and commonsense might be fine for him but definitely not for me. The whole tenor of my Hitler article was to highlight the vacuous nature of Mario's mantra of a rock solid Christian moral code if it depends on the exclusion of the most rotten guys in Christendom for the sake of convenience. The historical evidence I searched for, and then provided, and made available to one and all, suggests that Hitler was a devout Catholic. Minimally, he attended services, received sacraments, was most considerate to the clergy and hierarchy, accepted their adulation, and dutifully paid his dues to the Church all his life. In my view, he was extremely daft to believe that, he was doing God's will in exterminating Jews. But obviously, one can never know the complexity, depth and sincerity of his convoluted belief. Indeed, that is not our business (except by way of speculation) as we simply can't be sure where Hitler stood in his belief in Catholicism. Most certainly, we can't know if he engaged in a last minute act of in-depth contrition as a sincere Catholic. Where is the misrepresentation of anything in the above, as stated by Mario and endorsed by Jose? Mario's other point (without a shred of evidence) that, "Hitler spent most of his adult life publicly rejecting and violating every single one of the rock solid tenets of Catholicism" can also NOT be extrapolated from the specific evidence I supplied. History is based on evidence, not on someone's gut feeling about something. Mario is clear that his judgement on this matter is based on commonsense. He then chooses not to provide counter evidence to mine. It is therfore a waste of time in a serious discussion to debate a fellow's gut feeling when what is needed is evidence. Get it Mario? >> > Cornel's blatant misrepresentation is further > illustrated when he says above, "...Hitler... was also > possibly the greatest murderer of all time..." >> > While Hitler was a pretty nasty character and world > class murderer he was hardly the "greatest murderer of > all time". Hitler is credited with taking the lives > of some 11 million innocent people, just two of the > atheist communists murdering dictators that Cornel > never mentions, Joe Stalin, Mao Ze Dong are credited > with taking the lives of over 50 million innocent > people. >> > Hence the atheist communists Stalin and Mao are tied > for the world title of the greatest murderers of all > time. >> CORNEL * Note Mario's subtle distortion here. First, he quotes me correctly... "Hitler was possibly the greatest murderer of all time." Then suddenly my word "possibly" is removed by Mario. I wonder why Mario's distortion by the removal of a significant word was necessary? That distortion changes the meaning of what I had said. He then discusses his distortion as he normally does (as angrily commented on by many people) on Goanet. The distortion above is starring Mario in the face in the above paragraph. Get it Mario? However, Mario may be devious to get vicarious pleasure in scoring points but he is definitely not daft. I say this because I have just noticed above that, while he ranted previously that Hitler was an atheist, he has refrained from saying so above as I had strongly emphasised the point that Hitle
Re: [Goanet] Shut-up, men!
Yes, of course. Ever language Konkani came in contact with would have obviously influenced it. So there's no point in shrugging off the Portuguese influence (or calling it "alien"). Kannada, a linguistic group which Goa probably had closer ties with than Marathi prior to the Portuguese, also has its long (and probably unstudied) influence. About being unstudied, I'm not very sure, as I vaguely recall some paper presented at a Goa University seminar on the Kannada influence on Konkani. I guess even Arabic, because of trading connections, would have some, if forgotten, influence. Paulo, while I agree there there is some degree of Lusoallergy still around, we need to move beyond just Lusostalgic positions. FN On 19/08/06, Joaquim Loiola Pereira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Paulo, > > Kujin, kuzner, patrao, sossegad (like zonel, mez, igroz, kazar) are > etymologically Portuguese words which are used also by Hindus while speaking > Konkani. Add to it falsidad, kuriosidad, maldisanv, konfusanv and even > hybrid Konkani-Portuguese words like kerkerasanv and sogleament! Some of > these words are niched in respectable Konkani lexicons written by Hindu > Konkanists. > > Joaquim. -- --- Frederick Noronha http://fn.goa-india.org 9822122436 +91-832-240-9490 http://fredericknoronha.wordpress.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Albert writes
Albert writes A Christian is the one who follows Christ and so he does not stumble for Christ is holding him.He just sees another person and does not care whether he goes to church temple or masjid but just holds him and says"Brother I love you."He sees that the other person is comfortable and not suffering . He sees that the other brother has enough food to eat, enough clothes to wear and is protected against sun and rain. albert _ Shah Rukh fan? Know all about the Baadshah of Bollywood. On MSN Search http://server1.msn.co.in/profile/shahrukh.asp ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] MESSAGE FOR WORLD GOA DAY
M E S S A G E Goans overseas on "World Goa Day " 20th August, remember --- on this day ---whether you speak Portuguese, English, etc your IDENTITY as GOAN "Goemcar" is "amchem mai bhas" our mother tongue - KONKANI To promote KONKANI worldwide -- a few diehard activists --- have embarked upon an almost successful DO OR DIE mission since the last year to undo the injustice, on the use of scripts for Konkani language . This despite the proponents of ---ONLY -one script, one language, one LITERATURE (with clandestine motive meant in reality one community, i.e most of the Hindu Brahmins ) --- thro a whisper campaign, spreading half truths, myths , resurrecting the ghost of merger, fear of grant of official status to other languages, the canard of branding all others (except their miniscule 2% Hindu Brahmin community) as anti-nationalist or communalist. A mission which has steadfastly won the support of all and sundry viz; Catholics, and Hindu non Brahmins,- to ensure "UNITY in language KONKANI and DIVERSITY" in scripts (lipis). An avowed mission --- to undo once and for all 1) the COVERT resolution passed by a select few self anointed guardians/mentors of Konkani language at the Sahitya Akademi viz National Academy of Letters at New Delhi, nearly twenty five years ago, on 21st November, 1981 -recognizing - Konkani in Devanagari as the ONLY natural script (lipi) thereby eliminating all other scripts (lipi) in use for Konkani language viz 500 years old Roman (Romi), and other scripts like Kannada, Perso Arabic , Malayalam AND 2) to ensure Konkani in ROMAN SCRIPT ( Romi lipi) is accorded official status in the Official Language Act 1987--- now and without further delay by way of amendment in section 2(c) by adding"/Roman script"alongside the present script Konkani in Devanagari which as of now is the only recognized official script by the Government (at State and Central level) official purposes. As Goans worldwide celebrate WGD kindly make it a point to read out this message, obtain a signature pledge from every Goan present at the festivities to work for the success of this mission. A resolution to this effect appended with the signatures could be mailed to Mr Rene Barreto or this activist as a sign of solidarity to this mission. GODFREY J I GONSALVES (activist for ) " UNITY in language KONKANI diversity in SCRIPTS" Borda ,Margao 403 601 Goa India [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax :+91 0832 2712430 Mobile +91 9822158584 (24 hrs) __ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Benign Neglect
This is the reason why I find Goanet so hilarious. I have fallen of my chair laughing. This post exposed the hypocrisy and the pseudo-intellectuals. The two authors below gave their reasons for and against what I said. Few spouted off, with some rationale which they only could understand. Thanks Jose for helping to clarify my short post. There is no difference between atheists and those who smoke, divorcee, live a homosexual life style or cheat on their spouse. These are all very LEGAL activities. Those who live any of these life styles, in fact they would LIKELY welcome new members with valuable tips. Surprise. :=)) All these are perfectly legal lifestyles, compared to others that I did not mention but others did. So clearly some do not know the difference between legal and illegal activities. Also I like Jose's comments about the "true belief" of believers and non-believers which surprisingly Santosh finally understands and agrees with you ... and us. That is exactly what some of us have been saying all along. Santosh, and others who took the contrarian view, expose their own narrow view and authoritarian / mean attitude towards those who do not live a similar lifestyle. Should I, give or not give, consideration to a smoker because he/she is a catholic? What is Santosh's rationale? The smokers of all beliefs have an absolute right to smoke in public areas, where such activity is permitted. And while I refuse to hang around those areas, I greet the smoker-friends with a "big Hi" from a distance! I do not tell them to smoke or not to smoke, even though I know better - samkem like the other groups. So I do not know where is your beef, Santosh? Other than perhaps you do not do so. Every one has a right to their own thing, if it is permitted by law. And as per my belief, (rock solid moral code) we need to be kind to these law-abiding bros. and sis.. As a good citizen, for those who break the law, one needs to turn them in even if they happen to be one's relative. Similarly my "indifferent attitude" to someone having an extra-marital affair, should not surprise you. Perhaps you should learn for it. Statistics report that about a third of married people have extra-marital affairs. So perhaps you should be pretty broadminded yourself. These folks are believers and non-believers, who do not live by their rock solid moral code. Some engaging in extramarital activity claim a superior life style - like other groups. This includes being a great calorie burner.:=)) Other posters gave other "good" reasons. I try to explain to myself, why our "logical" Santosh is off-the-wall with my very reasonable view which likely is held by many goanetters. The only explanation I could come up for his outburst is possibly the term "Benign Neglect" spooked him. This is a term used in medical practice or rather medical malpractice. If it is the extra-marital relation that outrages him, then perhaps he may have seen the Indian (social) documentary which was recently screened in the USA. The thought-provoking and gut-wrenching movie is called "WATER". It touched on some hidden social issues of "conservative" India. I do not know how many goanetters saw this movie. Beyond the above explanations, perhaps Santosh has to get his mind out of theological texts and into the real world around him. He is outraged about extramarital affairs. But a few weeks ago, claimed that modern thinking has improved today's social mores. Or is my liberal colleague just ignoring or denying or sweeping modern liberal social issues under the carpet?:=)) Yet, he may be making his not uncommon U turn and agreeing with us. Kind Regards, GL --- Jose Colaco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >I see nothing wrong with the above quoted from Gilbert Lawrence. > All he says (in effect) is that he (Gilbert Lawrence) would IGNORE an > atheist, as also someone who smokes, divorced, lives a homosexual life style > or cheats on his spouse. --- Santosh Helekar I find Gilbert?s statement bigoted because of the following reasons: 1. Under all democratic constitutions an atheist is no different from a person of any other faith. He/She should not be treated differently from others because of his/her religious beliefs or lack thereof. Nobody would dare to announce in this forum that he/she reacts to a Catholic with "benign neglect". 2. The lumping of a smoker, a divorcee, a homosexual and an atheist with someone who cheats on his/her spouse reveals how contemptuous and discriminatory Gilbert is towards the former four types of individuals. Nobody would dare to claim in this forum that his "benign neglect" towards a Catholic or a Goan is no different from that towards someone who cheats on his/her spouse. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Talking Photos: Divar Bonderam
Talking Photos: Divar Bonderam Today we went to see Bonderan at Divar together with our 3 British Friends. - This year too it was started one hour after the schedule time (last year 2 hrs late) - Floats were good but organisers deserve poor marks - There was no clear view to any one, people come from far and wide were disappointed including us. - People were too close that it blocked the entire view. - Too Many cameramen. Video Cameramen & Mobile cameramen also blocking the view. - There were over 100 police force but they were not very helpful despite several requests. May be they come only to protect politician like Minister and Speaker see pic. -Hope the orginsers improve this situation next time. Well done Divarkars. You derserve full marks for preserving this age old tradition. Check photos here (12 in 1) http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk4/219271942/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa & NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ Konkani Songs, Goan Photos, Tiatr/Film VCDs, Bank interest rates etc etc (for updates etc click below) http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/files/ ___ Try the all-new Yahoo! Mail. "The New Version is radically easier to use" The Wall Street Journal http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Goans and Parsis
"Im afraid you have got it a bit wrong. The goans in the Armed Forces did not need any parsi to assist in their promotions! I can assure you that those who reached higher ranks, did so on their own merits. Nothing to do with Parsis whatsoever. I cannot however vouch for the other central govt. services. regards, Gilbert Menezes" Gilbert, I did not intend to detract from the obvious acheivements of our community in the Armed Forces and all things being equal and in an ideal world, they would have risen to senior and the top positions on their own merits. However, wherever we are - and the Indian Armed Forces is no exception - it is far from an ideal world. Promotions up to a certain officer rank are automatically based on seniority subject to a clean record of course, but after that when there are less positions than there are eligible personnel, it becomes a metaphorical free-for-all. The interested parties are a) the General Officers and their Air Force and Naval equivalents who are in favor of promoting officers who have directly served under them sometime during their career, on the principle of 'better the devil I know than the devil I don't', b) the 'know-it-all" bureaucracy who would like to appoint a "pliant officer" who would better understand their 'clever' motives and strategies c) the politicians in the defence ministry, the Prime Ministers Office and even the PM himself who have their own party considerations, not the least of which is community and caste and d) the Intelligence Apparatus who have bulky dossiers on all top officers, that they can manipulate according to the wishes of who at that point in time controls them. Sometimes thank God, specially in a situation when the country is in dire need, these various pressures can speak with one voice in favor of the officer with the most merit AND the least controversy (read: Parsi or Goan - the Anglo Indians have all settled in Australia) or thankfully at other times these various lobbies neutralize one another leaving the field open to the candidate with the same qualities mentioned earlier. The Pakistan Wars, the Khalistan Insurrection, the North East rebellions, The Emergency during Indira Gandhi and the formation of the IPKF (Indian Peace Keeping Force) for the Sri Lanka intevention, were situations like these. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] BRUTALLY BRUTUS -- 6 POINTS
rico, i really liked your crisp report on the mandar killing at vasco. i read your piece this morning on VU. the questions you raise are so pertinent. your reader-friendly take off point with riza, the fact that mandar was a DJ, the headlines in konkani . . . made me, sitting in delhi, feel as if i was on NH 17 - on the bus as it were, participating in an avid discussion among the passengers . . . Allow me to itemize the issues you articulate so eloquently: 1. 'But is it an indicator of a society in turmoil, unable to cope with change, struggling to cope with affluence?' 2. 'As we move from our outdated traditional value-system are we caught in a vacuum till we find new ones?' 3. 'Is this just a story of who killed whom and why, or a wider one of where our society is going wrong?' 4. '[Have]we fail[ed] to build the coping mechanisms? 5. 'Why in the rush for "excellence" our institutions are failing to take care of the very people [they create]' 6. ' . . . who don't need to wait till they commit a murder to get some meaning out of an often meaningless life.' if goanetters can post some reactions to these issues point-wise our search will have begun. if i can help in any way to assist our search as we grope for answers . . . on this sad day . . . my poem, 'Good Friday in Cuncolim' came to mind where Gina Peters commits suicide in Cuncolim by burning herself (?). death comes in various guises . . . but today brutus has his day. let caesar rest now. brian new delhi ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Message forthe World Konknni Day 20 August 2006
Message for the World Konknni Day On August 20, 1992 Konknni was included in the Eighth Schedule of Constitution of India through an amendment. Thus on this day Konknni became one of the official languages of India. 20 August is observed as Konknni Day by Konknnis (Konknni speakers) in India and abroad. Providentially or accidentally this year 20 August falls on Sunday and the Catholic Church all over the world observes it as Justice Sunday. Let us be proud that our mother tongue Konknni is an Official Language of India. When Konknni was included in the Eighth Schedule the script of Konknni is not mentioned. Hence from this fact we could definitely conclude that Konknni language was recognized and not any one of its scripts. Konknnis are spread out in various parts of India and world. They have preserved their mother tongue through their own native dialects and scripts. Therefore, Konknni is alive and continues to be a dynamic language. If a section of Konknnis insists or imposes with a particular dialect or script, Konknni will become an archaic language. In Goa Roman and Devanagari scripts are used for Konknni. Unfortunately, Roman script has not got the official status due to the selfishness of a section of Konknnis. Unless Roman script gets equal and official status there is no real justice to Konknni. If there is no justice to Konknni written in Roman script we cannot talk about brotherhood and sisterhood. Mere celebration of Konknni Day has no meaning without equality and dignity to all sections of Konknnis. On World Konknni Day let us reflect on the following words of J.H. da Cunha Rivara (23 June 1800 - 20 February 1879), a Portuguese Govt. official who was the General Secretary to the Portuguese Governor General of India in Goa for more than 15 years. Pratap Naik, S.J. Director Thomas Stephens Konknni Kendr B.B.Borkar Road Alto Porvorim, Goa - 403 521 "It is now time to undo the damage caused. The time has come to restore the mother tongue to its rightful place. To you, then, the Goan Youth, is reserved this great work, essential element of the intellectual and social regeneration of your countrymen! The methodical culture of the mother tongue will bring you closer to the Marathi Language; it will facilitate the knowledge of the Asiatic and European languages, ancient and modern, and thereby useful knowledge will be opened to your intelligence; and the treasures of the world, till now hidden from you, due to the absence of this instrument of exploration, will be opened to you. Let fools laugh and shout from the depth of their ignorance that the language has no grammar, that it is not capable of being written and that as it is in common use now by only a few individuals, the exertion on its study is insufficiently compensated; that its varieties and dialects from province to province, even from caste to caste, make it complicated and unintelligible, and that is so corrupted that it cannot be purified. If however, you feel that these ignorant critics deserve a reply, tell them that this book and all others that will follow it prove t whether the language has a grammar or not, whether it is conducive to writing or no. Do not be ashamed to imitate the example of the British nation, exerting itself to cultivate in Europe, the semi-barbarous dialect of Malta, spoken scarcely by 70,000 persons, and in India the harsh Jataki or Baloochi, the Pushtu of Afghan and other such languages. Tell them that the varieties of Konkani, from province to province or from caste to caste, are not greater than the dialects of old Greek, modern Italian, French or German etc. And lastly its very corruption should be an incentive to you to improve it, to purge it, rather than to despise it. And if they yet persist in their outcry, do not give heed to it but move on. Indeed, this enterprise is not easy, but it useful, it is honourable, it is glorious. And that you may have as far as possible a light-house to guide you in the midst of darkness caused by the foolishness of some and the malice of others, we conclude by listing for you some aids to which you may have recourse." From: ESSAY ON KONKANI LANGUAGE By J.H. da Cunha Rivara ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Nachne
The subject of 'nachnne' made an interesting reading, and the mention of 'ambil' stirred boyhood memories. During wartime (WW-the big one!), when rice was in shortage, our elders it seems used to add ground nathnne or what we call nathno to the rice gruel called thandlla paez. When this coarsely ground nathno was added to the paez, it was called 'ambil paez'. Nathno plant has thin long leaves and the nathno matures on the 'khanshi' of the plant. This used to be a cash crop, grown beside chilli and kanngi (sweet potato), vegetable like red bhaji, string beans(Alsande), bhende etc. In southern India, it is extensively grown and used as a staple diet. It has cooling effect on the body and is nutritious. Nathnno and wheat (goum) used to be ground, strained and with jaggery and coconut juice was boiled to prepare a pudding we called 'manni' similar to Goan 'Nasne tizan', and was poured on a large banana leaf placed on a huge pan called 'thadpe(used to separate rice from husk, broken rice etc). Once cooled, it used to slightly harden and could be cut into slices and relished as it used to just melt in the mouth!!! I remembered a Kunnbi song where 'ambil' was mentioned and requested Dom Fernades for help, and he was kind enough to mail me the entire article that also included the song, which is given below in part: "Bolaqen gott ga Kunnbi nokdda khambo Paus votan arbo teje jivit lambo Ambil gottai, di taka vokta thembo Sokallim aura toear sadgaxim kombo" Another folk song that I came across where mention of achnne is made, is the song that was part of another article by none other than Dom Frenandes. The article begins thus: The lyrics of the following Konkani folk song KOMBO-KOMBIECHI AMIZAD or rooster-hen friendship. The song begins with praise for the rooster, followed by allegations resulting in proposal and demand for dowry and 'vojem', and finally a forced marriage because the hen is already laying eggs! "Kaiboro mozo kombo, zobor apurbaiecho.(the song continues...) ..Zobor mhaka khoxi, tuje kombiek sun korchi .. Ani hanvui khoxi zanvuim korchi, doth ghetoloi kitli? Ti diteleachi khoxi.. Borem kunddo ek paili Barik tandull don poddi ani nachnneanchi annatti ." Best regards Maurice D'Mello ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Gilbert's Benign neglect
Aristo, I hope you know that giving the long rope does not work on Goanet and many such forums. There are personalities here who cannot tell when they have hanged themselves. Trust me, you will be disappointed. Cheers, Santosh --- Aristo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Eagerly awaiting your reply. Don't feel inhibited to > write a long one. > The longer, the better. Thanks. > ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Goans and the Parsi Community
The Parsi community in East Africa was small. The Parsis would have gone to East Africa ( Kenya, Tanzania, Uganda) along with other Indian communities. Several schooled at my primary and Goan secondary school in Mombasa and some have continued to be lifelong friends. On reflection, I don't think any of us co-ed students saw any particular distinction between the Goans (the majority in this Goan High School), Arabs, Chinese, Seycheloise, Parsis, Ismaili, other Indian, and the few African and European pupils. I think besides having to focus on study, we were too busy with sport, music and other extra-curricular activities to worry about ethnic differences. On reflection too, the school was a great place to be in with such a pleasant mixed intake. Cornel - Original Message - From: "Mervyn Lobo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2006 1:37 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goans and the Parsi Community > Roland Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> The Goan people in Bombay had the strongest bond >> with the Parsis, among all >> other Indian communities. There is no basis in >> contemporary history for that >> bond, except that both these... ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Goanet's 12th birthday
And with Goanet's 12th birthday (1994-2006) officially observed on August 25, 2006, would anyone care to send in a 'happy birthday' wish to this network in the language of your choice (together with a translation)? Curious to know where all Goanet is being read, and what languages our readers speak! Just a suggestion... FN -- --- Frederick Noronha http://fn.goa-india.org 9822122436 +91-832-240-9490 http://fredericknoronha.wordpress.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] You're Invited -- Monsoon Art Festival 2006
think geek Cordially invites you for the inauguration of Monsoon Art Festival 2006 (August 21 - 25, 2006) On August 21, 2006 - 12:00pm, Venue: Kala Academy, Panjim, Goa Chief Guest: Shri Pratapsing Rane - Hon'ble Chief Minister, Goa Guests of Honour: Shrinivas Dempo (Industrialist, Art Patron) Pedro Cabral Adao (Consul General of Portugal) Monsoon Art Festival 2006 Itinerary Painting Exhibition Titled "FREEDOM STROKE" By leading and working artists from Goa August 21 - 25, 2006 Time: 11:00am - 7:00pm Venue: Art Gallery, Kala Academy Seagram's Fuel Party FREEDOM ROCK FINALE August 25, 2006 Time: 9:00pm onwards 'END OF INNOCENCE' Album Release With Kismet and Lethal Ethyl in collaboration with Children's Rights in Goa (CRG) Venue: Vanilla Lounge, Candolim ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] CM RANE PLAYS AT BEING A HERO
The increasing crime rate in the State is a matter of deep concern and immediate remedial steps needed to be taken to stop Goa going the Bihar way. One has to strongly condemn Goa Chief Minister Pratapsingh Raoji Rane's high-handed visit to the Panaji police station on August 16th to interrogate the alleged five accused involved in the gruesome murder of Mandar Surlakar. One wonders if Chief Minister Rane was in his senses when he visited the police station. Mr. Rane is the first and only Chief Minister in India's history to interrogate the accused in a crime and thereby directly interfering in the investigation. Mr. Rane's vested motive to visit the police station is now very clear but the police have to be also questioned as to how they allowed the Chief Minister to interrogate the accused. Chief Minister Rane's hour long interrogation of the accused has to be condemned by all as no politician should be allowed to interfere with the investigation of any crime or the administration of justice. Aires Rodrigues Ribandar ___ All new Yahoo! Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use." - PC Magazine http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Re - Domnic's Silver Jubilee at work
Congrats Domnic! 25 years of service is a great Achievement I wish you love, joy, happiness and above good health. May all your dreams come true and continue to be active on the GOANET, giving us the most needed AICHEA DISSAK CHINTOP (Thought for the Day ) everyday, without fail, as also your other articles. Finally, remember that retirement, is a time to enjoy all the things you never had time to do when you worked. ALL THE VERY BEST, DOMNIC ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Reminisces of my Goan Youth
Of a Goan hotel in Pakistan and more. See submission below for the GOA SUDHAROP GOAN SENIORS E-book. Please send your submission to [EMAIL PROTECTED] George * Goans should be proud of this good man - Frank D'Souza By Lenny Barretto I feel, mention must be made of a Senior Citizen to whom Goans owe much. Frank D'Souza was born and educated in Karachi. He was the first Indian to be appointed by the British, as a member of the Railway Board of India. In those days, a small group of men controlled the mighty railways of India. It was the railways that kept the Indian Empire working efficiently and effectively. Therefore, it was important that membership of the Board was the perserve of the best, and Frank D'Souza being one of the best was appointed to the Railway Board of India. After finishing school with a Matrticulation, Frank D'Souza started to work as a Railway Guard in one of the Railways. He was a self-made man and educated himself over the years. At the time of Partition - Frank D'Souza opted for India and because of the Evacuee Property Law, which was established by both India and Pakistan, he lost his large property "Maryville" in Karachi, Pakistan. At the time, Pakistan urgently needed the services of someone to set-up the Railway system in Pakistan. Pakistan decided the only man to help in this direction was Frank D'Souza. Mohammed Ali Jinnah, Founder of Pakistan and the First Governor-General of Pakistan specifically requested Frank D'Souza for his help in setting-up the Railway system in Pakistan. Frank agreed, but on condition that his home "Maryville" be returned to him. Jinnah and the Government of Pakistan agreed. Frank D'Souza always helped and supported Goans and often suggested that Goans should always try to support each other. He set an example. When he came to Pakistan, he stayed at a Goan-owned hotel "Braganza Hotel". He could have asked the Government of Pakistan to arrange for him to stay in the best hotel. Frank was known for his transparently honest Christian character. On completion of his job in Pakistan and before returning to India, Frank D'Souza gave his beautiful home "Maryville" to an order of Nuns. If he wanted, he could have sold his home in foreign exchange for a good sum. The nuns made "Maryville" into a Senior Citizen Home. I had close aunts who lived in the Home and were well looked after for the rest of their lives by the Sisters of Mercy. A few years ago Frank D'Souza's only son - Ronald- a Catholic Priest - lived the last few years of his life at the home. He died at the ripe old age of 92. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Benign Neglect
--- Gilbert Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This is the reason why I find Goanet so hilarious. > I have fallen of my chair laughing. This post > exposed the hypocrisy and the pseudo-intellectuals. > Gilbert appears to have now found refuge in name-calling, while going through some kind of twisting and turning to rationalize his statement of moral equivalence between practices that are not regarded by modern society as immoral, namely atheism, homosexuality, divorce and atheism, and that which is regarded as immoral, namely cheating on a spouse. It is hard to understand, as usual, what he is trying to say, but a couple of questions that I have, in addition to the ones that Aristo has asked are: 1. Is Gilbert claiming that cheating on a spouse should be considered moral because a relatively high percentage of people engage in this behavior? 2. Is he claiming that more people cheat on their spouses now than in ancient times? If so, does he have statistics to back this statement? Cheers, Santosh ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Congratulations Tony Martin on your two publications!!
Hi Tony, Congratulations! On the publication of your two books"Life is beautiful" and "Time Pass". I wish you all the best! May you find lots of satisfaction and success on these two books. May you have great response and support from your readers! May you continue your creative power and bring enlightenment to the reading public in the years ahead! Viva! Silviano C. Barbosa ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Why Condoms Will Never Stop AIDS in Africa
Dirty Little Secret: Why Condoms Will Never Stop AIDS in Africa by Sue Ellin Browder Every ten seconds, a man, woman, or child in Africa dies from an AIDS-related disease. According to the USAIDS/World Health Organization (WHO), 40.3 million people now live with HIV infections, two-thirds of them in sub-Saharan Africa. In Swaziland, 42.6 percent of pregnant women test positive for HIV. Theres no cure for this killer, and no end in sight. The United Nations predicts that if present trends continue, AIDS will claim an additional 65 million lives by 2020more than triple the number of those who died in the first 20 years of the pandemic. It has been five years since New York Times columnist Bob Herbert wrote that most of us are simply unable to grasp the enormity of this disaster. We are in the early stages of an unprecedented threat to the health of the human species, he warned. The long dark night of AIDS has just begun. http://www.holyspiritinteractive.net/columns/guests/suebrowder/dirtysecret.asp http://www.holyspiritinteractive.net/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Aitaracheo Kaskutleo: Dar Tujem Ugtem Dovor Ietlo Gara
Dar Tujem Ugtem Dovor Ietlo Gara .anik ek aik. Donk-kapeo cheddeo (narrow waistband) haddinaka. Cheddvam vaddtat. Donkeancheo (hip shorties) ge. Kuwait nokri kortolea ghorkara thaim, Ana Francisca telefonar uloitali. Ticho ghorkar Duming, Goeam suttean ienvcho aslo. Shopping korchea adim tannem, bailek kitem zai vo naka tem vicharchem aslem. Kosleo cheddeo tuka zai tem mhaka somzona. Venociana kumarik vicharun polletam. Cheddvam-bailancheo bhitorleo mustakichem shopping korunk noko aslolo Duming-an aple bailek sanglem. Tuka kiteim-i sanglear kumarik vicharun polletam mhunntai. Tum oxem kor. Tikach ghevn Goeam ieo. Hangasorui ti, tuje gorjek upkarteli. Tuka koxem kolllem? Tivu-i Goeam ieta mhunn? Punn hanv Mumbai-chean ietam. Indian Airline vo Air India direct flight-ir ailear hanv Goem pavtolom ani mhoji baggage hangach urteli. Fuddlea mhoineant thavn Kuwait-Goa Air Lanka suru zata mhunn aikolam. Hea fuddem Kuwait-Goenkar-anche tras unnem zatele Mumbai-chean ieta tem borem asa. Chodd whiskey pienaka. Punn tunvem mhaka khoimchea flight-ir ietlo ani Dabolim vimantollar khoimchea vellar pavtolo hi khobor dili na. Kuwait-Mumbai Jazeera ani Mumbai-Goa Kingfisher.. Wow.. Kitem? Tuka marog poddtelem mure. Dusrem mhollear tuka sapuch upkarona. Mhaka faido zata tea hixeoban hanvem vimanacheo tiketti kaddleat. Atam, Kuwait-Goenkar-anim Indian Airline ani Air India hankam bhudd xikounk zai. Sumanank don pavtti direct Kuwait-Cochin via Goa vetelea Kerela-chea provasank Indian Airline boreo sovloti ditat. Kiteak tanche somudaeche (community) fuddari ekdom ghott asat. Samonachem koslech tras tankam zainant ani ojun meren zale nant khuim. Punn Goenkar provaxeanim khub pavtti baggage-ik lagun tras sonsleat. Holu-holu korun dusrea komponicheo odik direct flights hanga sakun Dhabolim udna korteleo. Goenkanim IA ani AI hancher bohixkar (boycott) ghalunkuch zai. Gorzo ani bolleponn polevpak Kuwait-an, Goenkarancho Ekvott mhunn ek sonstha asa. Ti kitem polleta tor Soddeak kolmben kosmelea Mhaka tujem kainch aikopachem na. Mumbai-chean ievnchem nhoi mhunn tuka xiddkaitam. Kumar Venociana ieta tech direct flight-ir ieo. Landing gear matxe zorlem zalear horkot na punn tujeo fuel tanks piddear zalear mhojo sonvsar koddu. Tujem kainch somzunk iena mhaka. Polle Duming. Dog sobit dhuvancho bapui tum. Tamkam, tujea mogachi ani apurbaechi goroz. Ghelea vorsa tujea rogtachi topasni keleli tedna tuka soro bilkull upkarona mhunn voizanchea vakear vo report-ar asa. Tujeo kidney oskot asat ani soreak ievkar divnk upkaronant. Tum Kuwait asa mhunn borem. Devak argam!! Thoimsor soro mellona. In flight complimentary drinks, funkea whiskey tunvem borich ghonttchi asta. Dabolim vimantollar pavta mhollear tum sarkoch zur zata. Ani atam Kuwait-Mumbai Zeera-chem ani Mumbai-Goa Kingfisher beer mhollear tuka sarkench mix zaun tujeo kidney . (roddta) Hello Ana. Toxem nhoi. Ago toxem nhoi tem aik... Hello hello .. Lino B. Dourado http://www.goa-world.com/goa/poems http://www.mail-archive.com/cgi-bin/htsearch?config=gulf-goans_yahoogroups_com&restrict=&exclude=&words=Lino+B.+Dourado __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Benign Neglect
--- Santosh Helekar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Gilbert appears to have now found refuge in name-calling, while going through > some kind of > twisting and turning to rationalize his statement of moral equivalence . > It is hard > to understand, as usual, what he is trying to say, Gilbert is right. Benign atheist smokers who are homosexual could not have cheated on their wives since homosexuals have partners and not wives. However, divorced smokers who have a rock solid moral code are usually neglected in a less benign way than homosexual atheists. What Gilbert is saying is absolutely clear. George ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] AICHEA DISAK CHINTOP - Agostachi 20vi, 2006!
Vhoddilanchi ek mhunnnni asa: Randlelem sorta punn kelelem urta. Aiz jem kitem ami randlam tem sortelem punn amchem Goenkarponn, Konknni bhas ani Sonvsari Goyem Dis urtolo! (There is an old saying: Cooked food gets over but action remains. Whatever we cooked today will get over but our Goanness, Konkani language and the World Goa Day will stay on! Moi-mogan, Domnic Fernandes Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA _ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Gilbert's Benign neglect
Hi Santosh, In light of what you wrote below, and your high sounding standards you espoused for Goanet on another thread, should you not be apologizing and retracting your statement on me: "reveals how contemptuous and discriminatory Gilbert is"? I will leave it to your good judgement and that of the moderators of Goanet. Wise people do not hesitate to recognize their mistakes and learn from it, as you have done below. Apologies, when an error is committed, from someone with wisdom, and a desire not to repeat the same, is a mark of quality. Kind Regards, GL --- Santosh Helekar wrote: Josebab, As you know, I am only expressing my own viewpoint. I do not challenge the validity of your viewpoint at all. I think in this subjective matter, in particular, two disparate points of view can peacefully co-exist. Cheers, Santosh --- Jose Colaco wrote: > > wrt this from me (JC): [I see nothing wrong with the above quoted from > Gilbert Lawrence. ...All he says (in effect) is that he (Gilbert Lawrence) > would IGNORE an atheist, as also someone who smokes, divorced, lives a > homosexual life style or cheats on his spouse.] Aristo Hi Gilbert, I think Santosh and the gang is just over reacting to what you said ... ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Goa news for August 20, 2006
Goa News from Yahoo! News and Goanet.org Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories. *** Ministry of Sound CD Player and Scratcher: Unleash Your Hidden DJ (Gizmodo) targetTerm195129 = 'MOSDJ135'; Popular with the glow stick crowd, Ministry of Sound just released their latest gadget for wannabes DJs from Goa to Ibiza, the CD... http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/gadgets/ministry-of-sound-cd-player-and-scratcher-unleash-your-hidden-dj-195129.php *** Sun, sand and slums (Deccan Herald) It took novelist and psychoanalyst Sudhir Kakar and his wife Katharina Poggendorf less than 10 minutes to decide that Goa was the only place in India that they could live in. http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/aug202006/sundayherald1133102006819.asp *** Indias Florida: Jostling for the spoils of tourism (Deccan Herald) Thirty years ago it took three bus changes and a long walk through lush paddy fields to get to Anjuna beach. The hub of global tourism in Goa, Anjuna, where heroin and psychedelia mixed with indolence and the sun to give birth to Goa trance and the rave rage, was as isolated as it could get. http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/aug202006/sundayherald1135172006819.asp *** Goa: Realty hotspot (Deccan Herald) Right now, theres only one way real estate is headed in Goa: northwards. And as land rates make new highs almost daily, local builders too are beginning to feel the heat of big-time entrants from ˜outside. http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/aug202006/sundayherald113412006819.asp *** Sunday Herald News - Deccan Herald - Internet Edition (Deccan Herald) As more and more ˜outsiders make Goa their second home, locals worry that the beach citys character will be lost given the pace of realty development. Devika Sequeira on the globalisation of Goa. http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/aug202006/sundayherald.asp *** Goa to pull down buildings violating coastal norms (The Economic Times) PANAJI: Purchasing a sea-side property in Goa could now well be at your own risk. http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1899169.cms *** Goa for powers to proceed against FEMA violators (New Kerala) Panaji, Aug 17: With increasing number of foreigners buying properties in Goa in violation of Foreign Exchange Management Act, 1997 (FEMA), the state will ask Centre to confer powers to its officers to proceed against violators, a top official said today "Under FEMA, the state government officers can be given powers to proceed against the violations by foreigners. http://www.newkerala.com/news4.php?action=fullnews&id=8460 *** Govt asks hoteliers to erect sign boards to prevent drowning (New Kerala) Panaji, Aug 18: Faced with the increasing deaths due to drowning, Goa government today asked the hoteliers and tour operators to prominently display notice boards in their premises debarring tourists from entering into the sea. http://www.newkerala.com/news4.php?action=fullnews&id=9076 *** Vasco SC beats Corps of Signals in Goa league (New Kerala) Margao, Aug 16: A second half brace by substitute Agnelo DSouza gave Vasco SC a 3-1 victory over 10-man Corps of Signals in their opening round tie of Hutch-sponsored Goa Football Association's Professional League, being played at Tilak stadium, Vasco, today. http://www.newkerala.com/news4.php?action=fullnews&id=7911 *** Panaji, Aug 19 (PTI) Scientists at Goa-based National Institute of Oceanography have termed the Mahim water phenomena(Outlook India) "It's a common phenomenon along the coast during rains when fresh water mixes with salty water and dilutes it further," NIO director, Suresh Shetye, told PTI. http://www.outlookindia.com/pti_news.asp?id=408223 Compiled by Goanet News Service http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Coco, meme, Monno! and other bad names in Toronto!
We were driving on Highway 427 North today and I saw "Memme" on a sign board, So I asked my kids , "Hey you guys know what "memme" means in Konkani?", they said "No". So I said it means "fish". Then my daughter said : "I thought "Nishtem" was fish. I said "That's right, but 'memme means fish in kid's language". Then my son said "What's kid's language?'. I said "Arre, in Goa, in olden days you had to speak to kids in kids' Konkani language for them to understand. "Like you don't say "xit" for rice, you say "Coco". Remember in olden days, mothers used to scare the kids "Arre Monno etolo veguim jei" or "Baba tujeo uuo kaddtam na zalear mure teo Uoo tuka ubarun tea vodlea shetant uddoitolio:" and the kids would let their mother hurt their skull, ani "s" kon teo liko, uuo nakttam ghalun uuo martalim. "Baba tum mosteo konakam, tuk mure Dev hast laitolo, Choool kon kailim ghan Inferna ujea lashtolo" and we poor kids would believe our mothers ani amgue lissaum kotalei. Atanche bhurgue hem korpak assai? Tuvem tenkam hat lailear. "Mom I will call 911" mhun police-k apoupak assai. The kids have all their rights and mummy and daddy are having their fights. * Last week I went for my friend's barbecue party for his son's birthday party. His son Savio after working for IBM for 4 years is going back to school, as he is doing his Ph. D. in Engineering. So he had some colleagues from his U. of T. (University of Toronto) days. Most of his colleagues were a mixed ethnic crowd. So Savio started to introduce them to us: "Hi guys. This is Eric" I said "Eric? What's your last name?" ( I wanted to know "To Konnnalo?" as he was brown and first name being western) Eric said "Kader" We old Goans started laughing, when someone whispered "ericador-u?". Now you won't believe who was the next. Many of you know about that Hindi film producer "Subhash Ghai"(pronounced "ghei" in English) This guy comes up to me and says," I am Ajit Ghai" like "ajit ghe" and everyone of us old Goans start kakading (laughing) holding our stomachs.(first "ericador ani atam "ajit (enema) ghe?) So two more people are introduced and nothing happens. But then there is this white Italian girl who comes up and introduces herself, " Hi guys I am 'Marla Fusco' . So you guys know what happened then!(Kitem fusco marla? Konnem?) No more stomach holding. What a party! What a free entertainment. What they must be thinking of us? I kid you not. This all happened in Etobicoke, Toronto, not in EtobiPepsi or Mrs. Sauga! This old Goan Bardez lady said 'arre Shi Baba, kohlim pozzdim navam re hanchim?" Bye Cheers! Remember copyright credit! for this is all origi(narl) cholesterol-free! ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] A MESSAGE TOTHE WORLD OF GOANS ON 'WORLD GOA DAY-2006'
August 20 of each year is a day celebrated all over the world by Niz Goemkars only to show the depth of their love for their Motherland Goa. It is not important that our Motherland was ravaged by many an alien rulers which included the Portuguese, before 1961. It is not important that our Motherland has been ravaged , even more so, after the so called 'liberation' in 1961 by the liberators themselves who even to this day are hell bent on ravaging the person of our Motherland to their own benefits and interests. But it is important that Niz Goemkars do a little introspection on this WORLD GOA DAY and come out of our lethargy and complacency which has been taken as 'weakness' by the marauders to heap more and more insults on our Motherland, may it be its governance; may it be the denial for the rightful claims of its 'tongue' Konkani; may it be the respect for its sons of the soil, all through its own sons of the soil who have been blinded with self-enrichment and avarice. We, Niz Goemkars wish and want to fight back these injustices unto our Motherland. But our numbers are far so few and spread-out to make a pointed thrust to dislodge the evil forces and bring them to their knees. We gather initial and much desired momentum when we want to show our resentment but unfortunately, we do not move forward to attain our much lauded goals, all to the happiness and contentment of the evil forces, who, all the time go on multiplying like the common cold bacteria with the right ambient atmosphere of lack of fear of justice, which they themselves command. When Niz Goemkars get together, the goals are the same. We see this manifested in newer groups cropping up, such as 'Save Goa Front' led by Adv. Aires Rodrigues; 'Borda Citizen's Committee' led by Lawry Abranches and Socorro Fernandes; 'Lok Shakti' led by Dr. Francisco Colaco; and the most recent 'Goemche Niz Mogi' led by James Fernandes and Fr. Antim Gomes. And, for the last 6 years, right from 31st August, 2000, there has been the registered 'Goa Su-Raj Party', a veritable convert from an NGO, with a Constitution, un-paralleled and un-surpassed, through the inclusion of Articles in its body i.e. Art. 34, Art 38, Art 40 and Art 41, which commitments are the need of the hour, if our Motherland is to be reintroduced to it former glory of effective governance such as Gaunkaries (Comunidades) for agrarian excellence and the Rule of Law for common good, peace and harmony. Perhaps, it is the 'EGO' in us Goans which inspires us to splinter ourselves rather than join forces against our common enemies. Six years ago the founders of the 'Goa Su-Raj Party' have put in place the important tool for the fight to evict the evil forces at play in Goa in the realization that 'POLITICS MUST BE FOUGHT TOOTH AND NAIL WITH SUPERIOR, UNSELFISH POLITICS' . Towards that end, and for the benefit of the World of Goans, Goa Su-Raj Party has released its 'ROAD MAP FOR GOA' on the occasion of the World Goa Day, 2005. Towards that end, and to instill a fighting spirit in the World of Goans, Goa Su-Raj Party has released its CAMPAING DIALOGUES 1 & 2 with Political Jingles 1, 2 & 3 along with the Party's theme songs "Goa Su-Raj" lyrics and music composed by Basilio Magno, a concerned Goan in Spain, music directed by Fr. Peter Cardozo of Pilar-Goa and sung by Young Chicko, a Goemcho Tiartist with a golden voice; and, "Amchem Goem" -lyrics composed by our present Party President Dr. N.S. Dumo, music composed and directed by Fr. Peter Cardozo , Pilar-Goa and sung by Kiran Kerkar. The campaign dialogues and the theme songs are available to be downloaded at the Party's website www.goasu-raj.org. On this WORLD GOA DAY, the Goa Su-Raj Party commends in no uncertain terms the enthusiasm, commitment and dedication shown towards uniting Goan, by Rene Barreto to take forward and co-ordinate the World Goa Day celebrations world-wide. And, likewise, on this WORLD GOA DAY the Goa Su-Raj Party prays that Goans all over the world will unite as one to take the fight to liberate Goa the second time from the clutches of the enemies of Goa and Goans which would make the 'all past alien ruler of Goa' look like saints. And last but not the least, on this WORLD GOA DAY- 2006, the Goa Su-Raj Party wishes each and every GOAN a World Goa Day full of joy and unity in CELEBRATIONS. Sd/- Floriano Lobo, General Secretary/Spokesperson Goa Su-Raj Party. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Putting Catholic prejudices in context
My father used to be a bigot. The word immediately conjures up images of burning trains and frenzied mobs but anyone who knows my father knows him to be a most congenial soul. So let me put his Catholic prejudices into context. My paternal great-grandmother must have been at best a second-generation convert. Ancestry from her side of the family is almost untraceable, but given the physical features of her kith and kin, which were fair of face, green-eyed and tall of stature; I am assuming a migratory possibly Northern tribe found their way to Goa. Whatever the religion of her ancestors was, it must have had some shamanistic element to it, for Sunday Mass was almost invariably followed by a trip to the "Maar". She saw no dichotomy in this act whatsoever. By the time, my parent's generation came of age, such duality of worship had been successful purged thanks in part to formal education , but also largely to the efforts of the Catholic church. The Church however, was ever watchful of lapses that caused many Goans, even well into the 20th century, to continue some form of "pagan" worship. Doubtless, one way to counter this was to spread vicious canards about other religions. That they worshiped animals, that they were unclean, that their Gods had several hands and as many heads. Canards made more plausible by the increasing distance, both geographical and political, created by colonialism between these two religions. My father bought the party-line unquestioningly. This is what Goan born journalist Rajdeep Sardesai has to say about Goa: --- "Let us be honest, there are two distinct communities -- Goan Catholics and Hindus. They have lived for centuries through a process of what I would call "civilised segregation", in the sense that there has been no open hostility between the communities but there has been limited interaction at a personal level. There has been attempts over the years to exploit these divisions, particularly by the post independence politicians of Goa." --- My generation is the first called up to truly assimilate. And we've failed. We are all too ready to endorse Freud's "narcissism of minor differences", embrace our suspicions and hoist our disrespect. This unfortunately from both sides of the aisle. My father was a victim of his time and over the years has painstakingly revised so many of his ill-conceived notions. We on the other hand have no excuses to harbour ours. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org