[Goanet] Goanet Reader: In defence of the lawyer... and the law (Jos Peter D'Souza)
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. IN DEFENCE OF THE LAWYER... AND THE LAW By Adv. Jos. Peter D'Souza The banners said it all. In the forefront it ran the text: "An appeal -- No advocate should encourage this crime". This was the message to one and all. Advocates stay far away from the proceedings in connection with the shocking, sad and untimely death of the young Mandar Surlekar. The innuendo came through loud and clear: the accused in this dastardly crime did not deserve the benefit of any advocate whose skills could perhaps help set them free. Yes, they were guilty as hell, and damned besides. The next question which automatically arises as a necessary rider is, why only "this crime"? Why not the numerous other murders? Or, why not the number of rape-cum-murders of young innocent girls, some of whom have not even the benefit of reaching the age of ten? Why not apply the same yardstick to those ghastly crimes? What is so special in 'this crime', that only here advocates were not to 'encourage' it? Yes, what was it that was so unique and special in 'this crime' that warranted the doing away of all rights afforded to accused, and to attain which, humankind has struggled for centuries! The bigger underlying question is whether there could be any crime so heinous and horrifying that could give us Indians the gumption to walk the streets, banners in hand, screaming, the accused ought not be given the benefit of an advocate to defend him both in and out of court? If ever, we as Indians, can answer this question with a "Yes", then for sure, we can certainly say: "Humanity Has Vanished." And, unwittingly, this was what the very next banner in the rally proclaimed. What made the whole scene not just sad, but pathetic, was the fact that the youth who marched through the streets of Vasco on that fateful Friday screaming justice for Mandar, did not, or, could not, realize, that there cannot be any justice if any one is deprived of his fundamental right under Article 21 of the Constitution of India. An article which in no uncertain terms lays down that no person shall be deprived of his life or personal liberty except by procedure established by law. And it is not necessary to once again teach educated youth the meaning of this cardinal principle of society. The demand of the rally is even more alarming, because it came in less than a week after we had all celebrated our Independence day anniversary. I imagine that most of these youth had participated in the ceremonies and flag hoisting while India recalled its tryst with destiny. Yes, it is frightening to know that within a couple of days of such an event, the "future of our country" could so easily have forgotten its past. As an advocate who mainly practices on the criminal side of the law, I am very often asked this question: How can I defend criminals? And, believe me or not, this query also comes from advocates who are involved mainly in civil cases. The answer is very simple. The law demands that every person accused of an offence has the right to be defended by an advocate if he wants one. As a matter of fact, even if an accused cannot afford an advocate, the State has to provide him one free of cost. And it is both the duty and responsibility of the judge to inform any accused brought before him that he has such a right to be represented by an advocate. The only time that a trial can proceed without an advocate for the defence is when the accused himself refuses to accept any. In such cases the presiding judge will make it a point to record in the trial proceeding sheet that the accused refused legal assistance even though offered under the free legal aid scheme. In this context there is a classical case arising from Goa. The accused was charged with an offence under the Narcotic Act. On the day when the charge was put to him, he stood alone before the trial judge and pleaded guilty to possession of a certain quantity of drugs (morphine in his case), and claimed it was for his personal consumption since he was a drug addict. Unfortunately, the court refused to give him the benefit of the lesser punishment prescribed for addicts, on the reasoning that the quantity he was shown to have possessed was beyond that permitted by the Act. The accused was shocked to find himself sentenced to the minimum of 10 years and fine of one hundred thousand rupees. At his appeal in the High Court, it was a
Re: [Goanet] Effects of Public Executions on Homicide Rates
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Dear Dr. Cruz, I don't know how my name and "focus" was mentioned in connection with public crucifixions, organ harvesting, biblical justice, frothing mouths and gasping breaths. Perhaps your years in the practice of medicine (if you are medical doctor) have made you immune to blood and gore, and public crucifixions are just a nice Sunday outing. I can assure you that my stomach is made of much weaker stuff. I can barely endure a spicy sorpatel, much less someone's organs being harvested. By the way, in the interest of biblical purity, I assume this harvesting will be done before they are actually dead. I just wanted to state for the record, that I do not support your views in any shape or form, and to refrain from using my name in this connection, inferring I condone your views. Selma -- > Mario, Selma, > > Thanks for keeping the focus on the death penalty in > Goa via public > cruxification of murderers and harvesting of their > organs for transplants > (so that many more Goans may live when these > criminals die). This biblical > justice appears to be a proven deterrent, all for > the greater good of our > beloved Goa. I hope the frothing mouths and the > gasping for breath as the > murderers die on the cross, deter prospective > murderers from committing > such > heinous crimes in Goa. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] dual citizenship -- one indian, two passports -- I
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. THE INTERNATIONAL INDIAN -- Vol 14.1 One Indian, two passports: The Indian diaspora debates Dual citizenship is a fact for certain Indians now but Indians back home are up in arms. Is it a case of trying to serve two masters or a boon to the country? By Francis C. Assisi On the first rung of the 21st century, the signs of portable patriotism - a citizenship of convenience is here. Briefly stated, a second or even a third passport has become not just a link to a homeland but also a glorified travel visa, a license to do business, a stake in a second economy, an escape hatch, even a status symbol. But in India as well as in the Great Indian Diaspora, the debate continues. Both publicly and privately, Indians are grappling with the notion of dual citizenship. And, despite the fact that the government of India has decided to grant dual citizenship (Overseas Citizenship of India) to Indians in selected countries, there is no end in sight to the debate. Opponents argue the practice weakens national identities and leads to ethnic separatism. Supporters say it is a natural response to an increasingly interconnected world, for greater communication and understanding between countries - a "win-win" proposition. Recently, when two media giants, the BBC and the Indian news portal Rediff, asked their audience if they thought granting dual citizenship to Persons of Indian Origin would be beneficial, the response it generated was overwhelming. It opened a virtual Pandora's box. And in that ensuing tide of arguments and counterarguments, the debate had to be closed. To inject as many voices from the diaspora as possible, we are quoting a number of individuals who joined in that debate. Their arguments may be summarized in the following set of opinions. Basically, one group believes that dual citizenship will be a great dishonor to the true patriots. Another group is of the view that it is the right thing at the right time. As one Indo-Canadian commented, "The wealth, experience and talent of NRIs and PIO's call now be tapped to make India a stronger economy." But for Gautam Sarkar, dual citizenship means, "no more standing in line in the embassies to deal with incompetent staff. Yes hope fully no more long lines in the airports as well, dealing with the stupid arrogant idiots working for Indian immigration." And for Pooja Ahluwalia it is a personal matter of competing both in India as well as in the U.S. She says: "1 want to fight in karate tournaments in India, but I was not allowed. 1 am karate champion here, and I want to defeat karate champions in India, so if I have dual citizenship I can be the karate champion of India and USA." Kamal Shroff, a psychologist, thinks it will enrich India. "I am delighted to know that we call be dual citizens (USA & India). We call visit India and start clinics for children to develop intellectually by providing needed professional counseling services, consultation to students, parents and behavior therapies. We call undertake research projects to see where were at present and where we need to go. I hope we can bring new perspectives to old problems." Sudhakar Rajapu worries, "We already have lots of problems with foreign mercenaries and terrorists. How do we make sure such miscreants don't get dual citizenship? Even if there were measures to check these unwelcome people, they can always find loopholes in our bureaucracy. Even ordinary people, why should someone get back their Indian citizenship when he/she opted to drop their Indian citizenship to become a citizen of another country? I think a PIO card or something like a green card should be enough. Even if citizenship is given, it should be given only after a period of 10-15 years, during which time his contribution to India should be evaluated. Thus arguments are thrown back and forth in support of as well as against dual citizenship. One Indian-American observed: "I am a born and bred American whose parents are of Indian origin. The idea of dual citizenship is not just absurd, it's an oxymoron. When you declare your allegiance to one country, your allegiance belongs to that country alone. You call have cultural ties to a nation. But that is independent from your nationality." Another echoed a parallel view: "I am an Indian settled in the USA. I don't see any reason why India should allow dual citizenship. When you become a ci
[Goanet] Of ponti (oil lamp) and Konkani proverbs
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Ex-ambassador Placido D'Souza shares his thoughts on time spent in Pune (Poona) for the Goa Sudharop Goan Seniors E-book. Thanks to Frederick Noronha for arranging this submission. Please send your essays to [EMAIL PROTECTED] One interesting development is people are also sending in their old pictures. Please feel free to send in pictures with names of the people and the place clearly identified - the more details the better. We will try and build a database of old Goan photos. Goa Sudharop www.goasudharop.org MY GOAN CONNECTION AS A YOUTH by Placido D'Souza My youth was spent partly in Dar-es-Salaam (East Africa) but mainly in Pune (India). In fact, I have lived my whole life, except for brief holidays, outside Goa. As such, I am most grateful that my father and mother took special care to instill in me and my sister and brother, what they considered some of the core elements of Goan culture. This provided the bedrock that has remained one of the sheet anchors in my life. I learnt Konkani at my mother's knee and it was amchi bhas (our language) that was spoken at home. My father, a man of few words, strove to inspire us by his example. My mother lent him invaluable support, and it was their immense sacrifices and hard work that provided me with a solid foundation for the future. My parents always had a Konkani proverb on the tip of their tongues to prove a point or to drive home the moral of some incident or event. Some were similar to those in other languages but many were unique and rooted in the Goan ethos. Ingratitude evoked the saying Kam zalem, voiz melo (When your work is done, don't forget the one who helped). Another favourite aphorism - Moddlelea khursac resped na (No one respects a broken down cross.) - was probably derived from my father's bitter experience of friends deserting him when in later life he was in need of help. Yet another saying that keeps ringing in my ears is Fudlem zoth voitam toxem fatlem (The oxen behind follow in the footsteps of those in front.) While in Pune, we would visit my uncle's home in Sorantho, Anjuna, generally during the summer holidays. Theirs was a different world, where life was simple and unaffected, with none of the conveniences that we took for granted such as electricity or piped water. The happy memories of those visits remain indelibly etched in my memory. My aunt and cousins would prepare the most delicious meals rounded off with mangoes that grew in plenty on the trees in the garden. Another treat was tender coconut water and sur. In general no effort was spared to make our stay as enjoyable as possible. In the evenings we would go to the near-by beach, a rare pleasure for us from Pune. I would collect shells and different coloured pebbles, some of which are still with me as precious souvenirs of a distant past. At night, we would gather by the flickering light of the ponti (oil lamp) to say the rosary, concluding with the uniquely traditional and beautiful prayer Deu bori rat I was too young to be allowed to go fishing with the elders, but would watch with fascination as they prepared for the expedition that was generally at night. The next morning I would wake up to the excited cries of delight over the good catch, and the mock-serious complaints of the women in the house as they had to clean the fish, and cook it immediately as there were no fridges then. Feast days meant a special trip to the Church of St. Michael's, and as this was quite far away, we had the luxury of going there in a taxi. Even though I have since traveled to several parts of the world, I cannot think of any holidays that were as enjoyable or memorable as the ones I spent in Goa. On the few occasions that a Tiatr came to Pune, my father would invariably take us for this entertainment. It was then that I came to know of Boyer and other veterans of the Goan stage and enjoy their songs. As I grew up, I discovered role models in the community like Cardinal Gracias and Frank Moraes, respectively the first Indian cardinal and the well-known editor of The Times of India. I wanted very much to follow in their footsteps, but fate sent me into a completely different profession. Today, although far away from Goa, I often think nostalgically of my Goan connection and try to remain attached to what is otherwise a fa
[Goanet] All Roads Will Lead to the Hawally Auditorium
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. On Friday Sept 1, 2006 all roads will lead to the Hawally Auditorium as the popular writer, director and actor Laurent Pereira presents his emotion charged, suspense filled and comedy oriented new tiatro Hea Gharachm Dharam Bondh Tiatro lover will have the opportunity to see outstanding performance from young Goan stage stars, Aliston-Rayston-Frankie who have been crowned the Junior Trio Kings by tiatro lovers. And, do not miss to see for the first time in Kuwait the upcoming director of Knkani stage Anthony Sylvester from St. Estevam. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Positive thinking
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Albert writes Our homes would have been an ideal heaven if only we had to develop positive attitudes in our day-to-day dealings. The relationship between husband and wives would have been very good if each husband and wife had to chalk out their programme positively. Today wives shout at the top of their voices that their husband makes them slog between the office and the kitchen. They know very well that the wives are in a better position to attend to cooking than husbands even though we husband may claim we are equal to wives as far as cooking is concerned but God has given our other half a better asthetic sense in every thing they do at home. A particular husband when on holiday would love to read books or newspaper while his wife wanted him in the kitchen. She knew her husband could not cook anything but would attempt but she found cooking boring and had she to grumble there would be a big fight which she always wanted to avoid as her husband in the past would walk out to her sisters house in anger and stay there for few days till the time he felt a deep craving for his wife. She did not like this to happen every now and then and so the positive way is to call him in the kitchen make him sit and they would both gossip or he would tell her the important news in the newspapers. The husband did not like his mother in law but the wife would positively tell him to drop him at her mothers place and request the husband to sit in the car while she would visit her mother but in the end the husband too would come to the house and sit and talk for hours till the wife told him to quit the place as it is getting dark and they have to return home. Wives should remember that the ego of man is the most sensitive part of him and so it has to be handled with care albert _ Live the life in style with MSN Lifestyle. Check out! http://content.msn.co.in/Lifestyle/Default ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] A word about emigration and assimilation/ To Mario
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Dear Mario, First of all you have created an oxymoron with "emigrated temporarily". I've always liked the word oxymoron, largely because of the latter part of the word, which so aptly describes so many things we write :)) One does not emigrate temporarily. One either emigrates or is a guest-worker. Now, since I am probably the only known spouse of guest-worker on this forum, I am assuming that dig was meant for me. So let me explain to you, how the world has changed in the last 10 years, or as Friedman puts it "become flat". Today's guest-workers, have to assimilate into societies far quicker that immigrant populations that have been there for decades. The reason is, the guest worker moves constantly. He maybe posted in the US for a year and in the UK for the next five years and in Nepal for 6 months. He is expected to work in foreign companies with foreign nationals, learn the culture of each organisation, make acquaintances and friends, and be a fully functional member of this environment in a relatively short period of time. To a global contract worker, one airport seems pretty much the same as the next and when you strip away the veneer of cosmetic differences, one human being the same as another. In a way, their identity and assimilation is seamless and yet, without a culture to call their own, they will lose the core of their being. Selma - Mario wrote: However, if they have emigrated temporarily then maintaining their "Goaness" not only makes sense, but not to do so would be ridiculous. Their Canadian and American neighbors would know and respect those feelings, and treat them like the guests they are and not like pseudo-Canadians or Americans. There would be no expectation of being "accepted" in this case and far less angst all around. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Diaspora Indians: Ghetto guardians or Indo-global citizens? -- Part II and last
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. So do I. I hope the following generations of Indians in the diaspora awaken to the wisdom of Amina's words. It is curious how, even if we become quite realistic and cynical about our own lives, we normally remain quite idealistic about our children, and most of us in the diaspora, rightly so, want our children to be well-adjusted in a global context, yet at the same time hold on to their Indian heritage with the right level of comfort. This is of course one of the diasporic challenges that parents in India don't have to deal with. But the reality seems to indicate that the idea of India, being Indian and all that it contains seems to have largely faded from the minds of most third and fourth generation PIOs. What amazes me is the complete disinterest some people exhibit in even visiting their country of origin and getting to know their roots. Yet they call themselves Indian (though some don't even do that) - something they can't avoid doing because they can't change the way they look! Maybe in their hearts, they have no connection with the land of their ancestors and find it easier to only associate themselves with their adopted countries that too pretty poorly for many, as inevitably they face subtle or blatant discrimination. Eugene, a fourth generation Malaysian Indian confesses, "I had never been to India, neither was there any interest on my part to visit India when I was young. However, I learnt about India's struggle for independence and her development process during my schooling in Malaysia. In my 20's, 1 remained uninterested due to the realities of being a fourth generation PIO and some of the negative realities of India or being Indian." Kusoorn Vadgama, historian and optometrist in UK, observes, "Second and third generation Indians in today's Britain have no intentions of returning home; Britain is the only home they know. The Indian youth of the UK have emerged as instant internationalists for %drom there are no racial or cultural divides. They don't carry the Indian identity with them and have no conflict of personality or loyalty being citizens of the UK. They know that even if they live in Britain for a thousand years, they will always be British, never English,,Scottish, Welsh or Irish (as only white folks are defined by). Similarly in the US, every non-European immigrant is given a label for life according to his ethnicity. people are graded as African-American, Asian-American, Hispanic-American, American-Jew. never just American." Author and widely respected speaker Ravi Zacharias who left India when he was 20 years of age, digs deeper: "One's identity is a hard thing to describe. Your soul is carved in a cultural ethos, but your dreams and goals and aspirations sometimes end tip in a differcut context. Because I am now a writer and speaker, having spoken in nearly sixty countries, I am unwillingly drawn into the public eye. I function in four arenas - the academic, the business, the political and the arts. These are the shapers of culture and my work takes me into these arenas all the time. Cradled in India and seeing myself as in heart and mind Indian, my identity ultimately will always be first and foremost as a follower of Jesus Christ. That is what shapes every choice I make professionally or relationally. Unfortunately, in a world that places such value in "success and fame" we are seen in distorted and exaggeretted frames of reference. At the end of the day if those closest to you do not respect you, everything else becomes a veneer." Shashi lharoor writes in his book India, From Midnight To The Millenium (New 1ork: Arcade Publishing 1997), "Most of the contemporary world's emigrants arc people who left their homelands in quest of material improvement, looking for financial security and professional opportunities that for one reason or another, they could not attain in their own countries. Many of them left intending to return: a few years abroad, a few more dollars in the bank, they told themselves, and they would come back to their own hearths, triumphant over the adversity that had led them to leave. But the years kept stretching on, and the dollars were never quite enough, or their needs mounted with their acquisitions, or they developed new ties (career, wife, children, schooling) to their new land, and then gradually the realization seeped in that they would never go back. And with this realization, often only half acknowledge
[Goanet] The Anjuna flea market and the Rock solid moral code
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Folks, I decided not to allow Gilbert's wisdom to waste in his benign neglect of smokers, atheists, homosexuals and wife-cheaters. So I printed 20 copies of his rock solid moral advice (call is Gilbert's wisdom sheet) and took it to the Anjuna Wednesday night flea market today to hand out to immoral people. 1. 5 smokers passed by and I gave them each a copy of Gilbert's wisdom sheet. They took the paper, rolled a joint and delightedly smoked it while thanking Gilbert. 2. 5 atheists came along and I warned them they need to pay heed to Gilbert's wisdom sheet to save their behind from the fires of hell. They quickly took the sheet, placed it on the ground and sat on it to save their behind and pants from the red soil. 3. 5 homosexuals came along and were looking for protection. You have come to the right place I told them, here is Gilbert's wisdom sheet to protect you from sin and eternal damnation. They took the paper and since this is a family friendly forum I cannot disclose how they used it for protection. 4. Finally, 5 wife-cheaters came by. Sinners, how can you ignore the code, I admonished them on behalf of Gilbert. Oh yes they replied, we often forget the code and proceeded to write down the phone codes of all the immoral women who had given them their phone numbers. I will be visiting the Friday Mapusa bazaar soon. Gilbert, please send more wisdom. Regards, George ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Fake quotes
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. And can anyone win an argument by making insinuations? More to the point: is Goanet about winning aruments? Can we ever convince someone who has a different point of view because of ideological/philosophical reasons or because of their perspective? Do we anytime believe that *we* are telling untruths or making up quotes? Why is it that we always see The Other as doing so? FN On 30/08/06, Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- Goa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Can someone who lies about others and makes up fake > > quotes to malign them be a Muslim in good standing? > > > > Just curious? > > > Mario adds: > > > Which raises the question of whether someone who lies > about others and makes up fake quotes to malign them > be an atheist in good standing? Apparently so:-)) > > > After all Stalin, Mao, Ho, Pol, Fidel and Kim were and > are still considered upstanding atheists. Can someone who lies about others and makes up fake quotes to malign them be a Catholic in good standing? Cheers, Santosh -- --- Frederick Noronha http://fn.goa-india.org 9822122436 +91-832-240-9490 http://fredericknoronha.wordpress.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] A novel on the Buddha, another on the Satnamis ... and a Goa connection
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Check what this novelist of Goan origin is working on: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amita_Kanekar Amita Kanekar is a Mumbai-based writer, whose well-received debut novel A Spoke in the Wheel was published by Harper Collins Publishers, India. Kanekar teaches comparitive mythology at the University of Mumbai. She was born in Goa in 1965. She is currently (2006) working on her second novel. She has lived in the U.S. as a child, and also teaches Architectural History Kanekar is currently researching material and travelling for her second novel, on the rebellion of a little known peasant community in the time of the Mughal ruler of India, Aurangzeb. Kanekar's first novel about the Buddha, A Spoke in the Wheel, has earned favourable reviews. Published in 2005 by Harper Collins India, the book went into its second edition that year itself. Kanekar was born in Madgaon (Margao) in Goa in 1965 and lived in Navelim, a nearby village, till the age of two, before leaving for the US and subsequently for Mumbai where she lives today, teaching Architectural History at the Kamla Raheja Vidyanidhi Institute for Architecture at Juhu, and Comparative Mythologies at the University of Mumbai Her father Suresh Kanekar was jailed three times by the then Portuguese government for his participation in the movement against colonial rule. Her maternal aunt was Mitra Bir, freedom fighter and educationist, who was sentenced to twelve years in jail at the age of 22, and later went on to open schools for girls at Madgaon (Margao), Verem, Kakora and other locations in Goa, as also centres for adult and vocational education for women, before her death in 1978. Mitra was married to the late Madhav Bir, former member of the Goa legislative assembly and Gandhian. Kanekar's maternal uncle, the late M. V. Kakodkar was also active in the campaign to open temples to all in Goa the 1960s -- --- Frederick Noronha http://fn.goa-india.org 9822122436 +91-832-240-9490 http://fredericknoronha.wordpress.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Goanet] Wanted... sharable quotes related to Goa
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. dear goan, put all ministers n bruied them alive let we goan can remember Mopa is a Hell Place that we can remember the hell is not in World but in Goa. why we need the Airport there? we dont want tourist or any one to visit to Goa ban tourist in goa and SAVE GOA SAVE DABOLIM AIRPORT. YOURS FELLOW GOAN sTEPHEN --- JoeGoaUk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > * G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * > F * I * E * D * S * > > Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA > from November to May > There is no better, value for money, guest > house. > Confirm your bookings early or > miss-out > > Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for > details/booking/confirmation. > > Throw a stone behind your back in Goa, and you would > either hit a > musician or a drunk" > === > The abv remind me of Pernem MLA Jitendra Desprabhu > saying.. > ''Ýou throw a stone anywhere in Pernem Taluka and it > will fall in my property' > > He was trying to say he owns land in almost all > Pernnem. > > No wonder, why he is favouring Mopa Airport there... > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > for Goa & NRI related info... > http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ > Konkani Songs, Goan Photos, Tiatr/Film VCDs, Bank > interest rates etc etc > (for updates etc click below) > http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/files/ > ___ > Goanet mailing list > Goanet@lists.goanet.org > http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Trio Kis PIC in Arab Times
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. if you can't see pic here, click the link below, and then view it in larger size http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk/230141032/ PVT. Pic forwarded by Sylvester Vaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa & NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ Konkani Songs, Goan Photos, Tiatr/Film VCDs, Bank interest rates etc etc (for updates etc click below) http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/files/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] The New Electronic Biometric Portuguese Passport
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. The New Electronic Biometric Portuguese Passport by Paulo Colaco Dias - 31st August 2006. On the 28th August 2006, Portugal joined Belgium, Sweden, Norway, Germany, UK and few other countries and started issuing new electronic biometric passports fully compliant with the standard recommended by the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO). The previously issued normal passports remain valid until expiry date but countries such as Portugal who participate on the USA Visa Waiver Program must comply with new International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO) standards and issue biometric passports incorporating a facial image to remain in the scheme by 26th October 2006. The USA Visa Waiver Program (VWP) enables citizens of 27 countries to travel to the United States of America for tourism or business for stays of 90 days or less without the need of obtaining a visa. The scheme was first established in 1986 with the objective of promoting better relations with U.S. allies, eliminating unnecessary barriers to travel and stimulating the tourism industry. As of today, the 27 VWP countries are: Andorra, Austria, Australia, Belgium, Brunei, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Monaco, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Portugal, San Marino, Singapore, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland and the United Kingdom. All these 27 countries are required to issue new electronic biometric passports to continue to remain it the USA Visa Waiver Program. Facial image recognition systems are built on software that analyzes human faces' images in order to identify them. The software takes a digitised facial image and automatically measures characteristics such as the distance between the eyes, the length of the nose, the angle of the jaw, etc. and creates a unique file commonly known as "template". Using templates, the software then compares that image to other images and produces a score that measures how similar the images are to each other. One of the main goals of the new electronic biometric passport is to combat fraud and forgery through the use of facial image recognition technology and of high-capacity, contactless integrated circuit chips. The new Portuguese electronic biometric passport also complies with the EU Council Regulation on standards for security features and biometrics in passports and travel documents issued by EU Member States. This Regulation, adopted on 13 December 2004, mandates the inclusion of a digitised facial image of the holder stored on a microchip in all EU passports issued at the latest 18 months after the date of adoption of technical specifications for the implementation of the Regulation, and of fingerprints after 36 months. Since the European Commission adopted a Decision establishing these technical specifications on 28 February 2005, the deadline for Member States to implement the digitised facial image in their passports was 28 August 2006, and the deadline for the inclusion of fingerprints is 28 February 2008. Portugal is already fully implementing both digitised facial image and the inclusion of fingerprints on Portuguese electronic biometric passports. Portugal has therefore become one of the pioneer countries in having biometric passports containing fingerprint information. The UK and several other countries that never had a culture of having their citizens fingerprinted are still working towards the inclusion of fingerprints on their new biometric passports pending revision and consultation of local legislation concerning privacy and liberty of its citizens. These technological advances are being adopted across the world to improve the security of travel documents and border controls, with over 40 countries in the process of introducing biometric electronic passports which are much more difficult to forge (almost impossible). For more information on the new Portuguese electronic biometric passport, please check the sites: http://www.pep.pt (very detailed information in Portuguese) or http://www.pep.pt/ingles/index.php (English - but less detailed information) There is a very informative video at: http://www.pep.pt/flash/video_eng.swf And there are several videos on the Introduction of the new Portuguese electronic passport at: http://www.pep.pt/videos/pagevideos.htm (downloads really fast) The first video contains a speech by Antonio Costa - Interior Minister
[Goanet] Science as a religion
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Dear Fredrick, Not to belabour the point but whenever someone mentions 'Science as a religion' I take exception and wish to make it quite clear that until a few hundred years ago, organized religion assumed dominion over every aspect of life, including science and scientific discoveries. We are lucky that that is no longer the case. It was the establishment of the Royal Society in England in the late 17th century (in the shadows of the time that Galileo was being muzzled by the Church) that gave scientists a break from the clutches of religious domination of scientific thought. The Society was funded independently of the monarchy of the time but was created with their blessing to enhance the navigation skills and efficacy of the Royal Navy. The 12 original founding members of the Society created a discussion group at Gresham College based loosely on the principles of Freemasonry (divisive discussion of the topics of religion and politics were prohibited) and levied a steep membership fee to ensure self sufficiency. Many of the original discoveries and inventions benefitted the spread of the British Empire as well as the method of reporting scientific discoveries that is the backbone of our technological advancement and that are still in use today. We need to understand that confidence in the scientific establisment need not be on 'blind faith' as many have sought to deceive using it's methods but any hypothesis put forth can be eventually proven or disproved according to established protocols. Giants of independent thought like Einstein and Hawking would never have had a chance to expound on their views and leave us with their incredible insights had we not got away from the clutches of the Church. Much of this information was gleaned from a recent addition to my library by Robert Lomas entitled 'Freemasonry and the Birth of Modern Science' http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1592330118/102-2120339-4988907?v=glance&n=2 83155 Sincerely, Kevin Saldanha Mississauga, ON. -- Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 04:24:48 +0530 From: "Frederick \"FN\" Noronha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Goanet] Fake quotes... <..irrelevant text removed..> For sure, I'm not going to convince you here. So, for my part, I'll cease and desist from boring the other readers. (Most of the times, I write with serious intent... so some readers have a definite difficulty in discerning when I'm being flippant.) We can resume our verbal battle about your treatment of Science as a religion some other time. FN mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Goanet
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Goanet is ilke a large fish pond, where thousands come to fish from all over the world. This is Public Fish Pond and it's Free. Almost all the anglers here are of Goan origin. Homework: What is Goanet to you ?? or Write one or two lines on ''goanet.'' (MAX 3 lines) 5 Best entries will get prize. (T&C apply) Note: If you can't write but can read only, pl. sponsor a prize. [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa & NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ Konkani Songs, Goan Photos, Tiatr/Film VCDs, Bank interest rates etc etc (for updates etc click below) http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/files/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] The Anjuna flea market and the Rock solid moral code
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. George This is just great. I laughed my socks off. How I wish I had your wit! Please let us have more from time to time. Regards Cornel - Original Message - From: "George Pinto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Goanet" Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 8:19 PM Subject: [Goanet] The Anjuna flea market and the Rock solid moral code > Folks, > I decided not to allow Gilbert's wisdom to waste in his benign neglect of > smokers, atheists, > homosexuals and wife-cheaters. So I printed 20 copies of his rock solid > moral advice (call is > Gilbert's wisdom sheet) and took it to the Anjuna Wednesday night flea > market today to hand out to > immoral people. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Of ponti (oil lamp) and Konkani proverbs
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. George, I'm not sure if you know this, Placido D'Souza's daughters, Lucia and Maria, used to chat regularly with Goanet's founder Herman Carneiro on the Internet Relay Chat (IRC) back in 1993-1994. It was those IRC conversations which inspired the Herminator to start Goanet. Peter --- From: George Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> " Ex-ambassador Placido D'Souza shares his thoughts on time spent in Pune (Poona) for the Goa Sudharop Goan Seniors E-book. Thanks to Frederick Noronha for arranging this submission. Please send your essays to [EMAIL PROTECTED] One interesting development is people are also sending in their old pictures. Please feel free to send in pictures with names of the people and the place clearly identified - the more details the better. We will try and build a database of old Goan photos." ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Goanet
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. JoeGoaUk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Homework: > What is Goanet to you ?? > or Write one or two lines on ''goanet.'' > (MAX 3 lines) Ok, JoeGoaUK. Here's my take. Goanet is a place where I may meet someone I can learn from. Mervyn3.0 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] AVERT ... on Goa
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Any comments on this? AVERT is an international AIDS charity avert.org - bringing you information on HIV & AIDS http://www.avert.org/aidsindia.htm Goa Goa is a very small state in the southwest of India, and is best known as a tourist destination. Tourism is so prominent that the number of tourists almost equals the resident population, which is about 1.3 million. The ANC prevalence was found to be above 1% in both 2002 and 2004, but was 0.5% in 2003 and 0% in 2005. This variation is likely due to the small number of women tested; the 2005 survey included only two ANC sites. Prevalence at STD clinics was 14% in 2005, indicating that Goa has a serious epidemic of HIV among sexually active people. -- --- Frederick Noronha http://fn.goa-india.org 9822122436 +91-832-240-9490 http://fredericknoronha.wordpress.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] What do Colgate, Godrej, Maggie, Titan, Breast Cancer etc have in common ??
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. re-sent with Correct Link What do Colgate, Godrej, Maggie, Titan, Breast Cancer etc have in common ?? The recent thread'-- Shut-up, men! inspired me this Colgate: Mozo cheddo antam âÃolgattinâdant gansta (My son now brushes his teeth with Colgate) In most cases, it is not the Colgate they are using but it could be any other paste like promise, Binaca, Vicco etc Colgate (brand) gets all the credit Perhaps, Colgate was the first brand in the market Godrej: Cheddvak zotik or denneak kitem dilam gho ? Zabab: Zaitem dilem Machine, tamonn, bhangar tea bhair Godrej (almar/cupboard) Here, the steel cupboard could be of any brand but Godrej takes the credit. Maggie (Stalk Cubes). Koddiek (curry) Maggie galunk nam kitem gho ? Again, it could be any brand chicken/veg stalk cubes, Maggie takes the credit. Resper/Kazar: Kazarak vechem nam gho ? Nam bai, ami dukachim asat, tea passot vigorjekodde resperakuch vetelim. I think, here the two words Resper and Kazar are misinterpreted (right meaning just other way round). I guess Resper (Portuguese?)=Reception (dancing hall) and Kazar (satvo Sacrament)= church wedding. When we say we are going for âResperâare we really going to the reception /dance hall ? Titan (new, about 10 years): Tuzo cheddo khuim kam korta gho ? Zabab: Titan-ant Titan is one of the many companies located at Verna Electronic City (Goa). Perhaps, Titan was the first Co. here, there are so many large as well as small-small cos now. Locals may be working for different companies/units but they and their people at home, friends etc will say working in Titan (as if working for Titan or as if Titan is a name of a place) Q.Where your son working ? Ans: Verna Q, Verna, where ? Ans. Verna Electronic city I think âVerna Electronic Cityâ is too difficult to say or pronounce. So they are using short cut thus.. Q.Where you son working ? Ans: Titan (short and sweet answer) Breast Cancer: Hey man! You donât run, this is for you too.. Breast Cancer does not necessarily mean a ladies thing now Breast Cancer kills men too. Read further.. http://www.menstuff.org/issues/byissue/breastcancer.html Homework: Do you remember anymore of such double meaning words etc ? == Attention!!! All men please get yourselves checked up for any possible signs of breast cancer. A lady friend Doctor of mine who is specialist in this field will help you out. Contact JoeGoaUk for further details. === [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa & NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ Konkani Songs, Goan Photos, Tiatr/Film VCDs, Bank interest rates etc etc (for updates etc click below) http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/files/ ___ All new Yahoo! Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use." - PC Magazine http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Roman Urdu?
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Roman Urdu? ... and Bollywood goes for it too http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Urdu -- --- Frederick Noronha http://fn.goa-india.org 9822122436 +91-832-240-9490 http://fredericknoronha.wordpress.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Goanet] Wanted... sharable quotes related to Goa
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Hey, come on guys! World Goa Day approaches, and we fight over who should get the credit (even before the project is adequately moving.) Helga discusses the state of culture and a vision for the future (or lack of it) in diasporic-Goa, and it results in a flame war over Gonadians. Everyone is talking about their love for Konkani, but nobody (or am I wrong) is willing to lift a finger and give it new life in a way that makes a difference in a digital age -- by ensure it thrives on computers and the internet! ** I ask for quotes, you'll curse ministers and politicians. ** No wonder it takes 365,000 Goans to fix one bulb. See http://funny2.com/bulb.htm At this rate, we will be able, at best, to fix just three or four bulbs as a community. And for some strange reason, the street light in front of my house keeps going bust every few weeks. Given our small population and declining birth rates, we're running out of numbers here. And, we all (or am I wrong) want to bring an end to the meltingpotability of Goa to "embrace and extend" and make 'outsiders' into its on. On the contrary, we are making 'outsiders' of 'insiders'. So, someone do something and give me some quotes. I'll stop this haranguing after I get the first one. From a warm and sunny fine evening in Goa (but sunshine doesn't grow quotes!) FN On 31/08/06, Stephen Fernandes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > dear goan, > put all ministers n bruied them alive let we > goan can remember Mopa is a Hell Place that we can > remember the hell is not in World but in Goa. why we > need the Airport there? we dont want tourist or any > one to visit to Goa ban tourist in goa and SAVE GOA > SAVE DABOLIM AIRPORT. YOURS FELLOW GOAN sTEPHEN > --- JoeGoaUk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Throw a stone behind your back in Goa, and you would > > either hit a > > musician or a drunk" > > === > > The abv remind me of Pernem MLA Jitendra Desprabhu > > saying.. > > ''Ýou throw a stone anywhere in Pernem Taluka and it > > will fall in my property' > > > > He was trying to say he owns land in almost all > > Pernnem. > > > > No wonder, why he is favouring Mopa Airport there... -- --- Frederick Noronha http://fn.goa-india.org 9822122436 +91-832-240-9490 http://fredericknoronha.wordpress.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Gilbert's benign neglect/ to Mario
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Aristo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 1) When I previously asked you "Can a Christian be a > fascist?", you seemed to get defensive instead of > your standard "Yes" or "No" or your emphatic "Of > course!" and "Sheesh!" to the rest of the "Can a" > questions answered by you. Here's what you stated: > > http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2006-August/046822.html > "Not a Christian who follows the rock solid > Christian moral code. However, there have been > people who claimed to be Christian but followed NOT > A SINGLE tenet of the rock solid moral code, who > were fascist..These included the Crusaders and > the Inquisition types of ancient times, and Hitler, > Mussolini, Stalin and the Mafioso more recently." > > You could have simply said "Yes, Of course! Sheesh! > but not a Christian who blah blah blah...". I did > not ask about any Code or their "claims". I simply > asked whether a Christian can be a fascist, > considering the fact that you use the word > Islamofascist without a second thought! But Im glad > you clarified that there can be Christianofascists > now. > Mario responds: > Aristo, I knew you were not really being honest when you said that your previous post on the subject was your last regardless of what anyone else had to say:-)) > However, I have no objections under my philosophy that you are entitled to your own opinions but not to your own facts. > Re. your comments above, did you think you were one of my parents or my boss or a cop or a prosecutor in a court of law? > Where did you get the quaint idea that I am supposed to answer you in a manner that you expected to see and in words you wanted to read? I answered as I did simply because this particular question required a fuller answer than yes or no or Sheesh!. Any interpretations that you may make are up to you, and you will typically be wrong because you seem to interpret more than you try to understand. > For example, I have never used the term Islamo-fascist loosely or without a second thought. Because it seems to drive the Islamo-fascist sympathizers on Goanet and elsewhere bonkers I have needed to explain the term several times before you burst on the scene with your absurd "rapist conundrum" to the rock solid Christian moral code. > And you also seem ignorant of the fact that I have called the Crusaders and Inquisition Christians fascists before, using the same standards I use for the Islamo-fascists, so you are flat out wrong when you say that I have done so "now". > Aristo writes: > > But just to make sure: What, in your not so > humble opinion, was Hitler? An Atheist, an > Agnostic or a malevolent Christian fundamentalist > (as opposed to a benevolent tolerant Christian)? > Mario responds: > Hitler was none of the above in my never humble opinion. He was the incarnation of pure evil and racial bigotry and a national socialist as the name of his political party would suggest and a classic fascist megalomaniac. He was no more a Christian than you or Kevin or Stalin or Mao or Ho or Pol are or were Christians. And before you jump out of your kashtie with yet another interpretation, the only thing you and Kevin have in common with the list of tyrants is that none of you are Christians:-)) > Aristo writes: > > The general interpretation of this is Atheist = > BAD! Theist = GOOD! > Mario responds: > Another erroneous interpretation not substantiated by the facts, including my classification of certain theists as fascists. I also happen to know some atheists/agnostics who are very good people. > The major atheist homicidal tyrants are mentioned simply to add perspective to the gratuitous debate on Hitler. If you aggressive atheists can postulate a theory on Hitler being Christian, simply to denigrate Christianity, how are you going to prevent me from bringing up the tyrants who shared your atheism? > Aristo writes: > > But, as you have previously acknowledged, Atheists > are unorganised individuals without any tenets or > moral code. > Mario responds: > More proof that you understand or remember very little of what you read. I have never said that "Atheists" are unorganized individuals without any tenets or moral code, especially after Santosh convinced me that there were a couple of serious morally based organizations that did not believe in a supreme being. In fact, I said that some atheists may have a superior moral code than a religious pe
[Goanet] (no subject)
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. WOW!!!Jos Peter D'SouzaWOW!!! How intellectually put. You almost had me there. I was well anchored on the shores of Calangute or was it Anjuna and I did almost climb aboard your boat...it was then I remembered I was equipped with sight, hearing and awareness of my surroundings that I quickly got off before you set assail. Have you heard of corruption, influence and free for all high handedness of government that exists in Goa and India as a whole. What one learns in the class room and how we as people put into practice are in India are two separate issues and its people have now fallen to the pits of 'if you can't beat them then join them'. You are a criminal lawyer and must surely be good and won't doubt your work ethics. Tell me Jos are you able to understand how these politicians are able to get away with amassing wealth that is over and above their known source of income or have they been constitutionally exempted from criminal proceedings for such acts. Do you think the politicians are doing us a favour governing us that gives them the right to steal? Have you heard of lawyers play with their opponents to extend their pay cheque or should I say double dipping. I wonder why cases continue to pile up in courts. You know what Jos you are a human being too and faced with such predicament you too would join hands with such people and take matters in their own hands. But you and I are not in that situation so you and I can not understand the plight of such acts. But lest we forget we the people pick from amongst ourselves a public member to represent us and it is only us the people that can take action if not properly represented. Every action has its own consequences. What you say is and can only be practiced in a perfect society. _ Click here to pick out the perfect PC for work or play http://shopping.sympatico.msn.ca/content/shp/?ctId=507,ptnrid=176,ptnrdata=081802 ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] ULTIMATUM TO GOA GOVT ENDS - konkani roman script
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. The ultimatum given by the activists for grant of official recognition to Konkani in Roman script has ended today 31st August, 2006. Most of the 2.5% Hindu Saraswat Brahmin community have folded up their "dhoties" under the leadership of their frontsman Mr Uday Laximikant Bhembre Adv and ex Independent MLA of Margao, who has launched a babel of tongues, (read vitriolic writings, spitting venom, giving "dhamki" threats etc ) in Konkani in Devanagari script in the world's only newspaper "Sunaparant" (a daily with readership not exceeding 1500 as confessed by their own staff member, and funded by the scion of the eminent late industrialist V M Salgaocar, Mr Dattaraj Salgaocar) But despite the tirade launched ever since the script demand arose since July 2005 the proponents of Roman script "Romi lipi" have been on the winning side. It is quite obvious that many of the pro only protogonists who depend on State and Central Government funds are antagonised over the fact that soon they will be losing their monopoly over Konkani in Devanagari script, as it is they have started reckoning the powerful might of the Romi lipi faction, but shamelessly short of giving assistance they are not ready to concede the demand of dual recognition to both scripts in Goa Devanagari and Roman while Kannada etc eleswhere. But during the over one year now the Romi lipi proponents, have understood though belatedly that most of the Hindu Saraswat Brahmin community are responsible for doing EXACTLY OPPOSITE OF WHAT THEY PRACTICE AND PREACH and this has been confirmed by some of their own community members, notably Mr Ulhas Buyao of Zambaulim who has been going hammer and tongs against the fake (as he calls him) late Mr Vaman Varde Valaulikar nee "Shenoi Goembab" propped up the Hindu Saraswat Brahmins as the later day "Father of Modern Konkani Movement" putting the works of the Jesuits and Msgr S Dalgado into insignificance. The next few months are extremely important on the political front as the demand for amendment to the official language act will have to be fulfilled by the PRESENT Indian National Congress led coalition and NOT by those elected to the next Goa Legislative Assembly post elections. a) There was the Ponda municipal election scheduled to be held in August, 2006 but the same was postponed. b) The Zilla Parishad Chairperson is facing a turmoil in South Goa and a new incumbent is expected shortly c) The 190 Village Panchayats are due for elections before term end in January 2007 d) The State Assembly elections are due before May 2007 e) The opposition BJP is at its lowest ebb thanks to the turmoil at their High Command f) The monsoons have recorded an appreciable performance despite floods in some states (most of which are not going to the Polls -- Mizoram Punjab UP Uttaranchal are due for polls by February 2007 ) g) The Indian National Congress Party President, Ms Sonia Gandhi MP is not too happy over the repeated controversies in Goa. Be it i) Mopa/Dabolim issue ii) setting up of Special Economic Zones, iii) the six lane Highways, iv)the OTS (one time settlement scheme of EDC amensty to defaulters of loans - industrialists and big fry not to CM read common man) whose patron Saint is Ravi Sitaram Naik, MLA Ponda and President, v) Romi lipi and Devanagari lipi, vi)official language status to Marathi vii)withdrawal of teaching of English as one subject in the Marathi primary schools viii) pending demand of "Don" Antanasio (Babush) Monseratte the Minister for Town and Country Planning, to take over the Goa Pradesh Congress Committee and ix) the open defiance threat of the South Goa MP Mr Churchill Braz Alemao (whose non induction in the Union Cabinet is the root cause of all his pent up frustration)to unseat the INC in Goa and take up the reigns of the State administration with a regional outfit x) the nuisance value of all those ex-politicians who wish to enter the fray xi) the systametic consolidation of the Nationalist Congress Party and the equally systametic attempts of the INC to eliminate the NCP at the next hustings or before. Given this dilema facing the CM Mr Pratapsing Raoji Rane, he has little choice but to concede the demand of the proponents of Konkani in Roman script as otherwise it will set at peril the stakes of the Catholic MLA's of Goa Legislative Assembly Velhas Conquistas (Old Conquests 1510 - 1961 ) BARDEZ TALUKA 1)Dr W
[Goanet] The truth about World Goa Indepenedence Day
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Marlon wrote: > This is where Mario Goeiva comes in. Mario represents the immoral conscience of the unconscious US President. Together, they remain the solitary voices calling for the indupendence of the Iraqi people. Mario I pubically ask you: If you can do so little and talk so much for the enslaved Iraqis, why can't you do the same for our enslaved Goans? The Goan Independence Clown party would appreciate your services as much as the Iraqi Independence Clown party did. > Mario responds: > I found it amusing to see this comical attempt by the poster to gain some much needed attention and notoriety by adding my name to his, albeit in a thread in which I have no participation:-)) > It is pointless to waste the half of my brain that is not tied behind my back just to make it fair to people like this poster, in responding to such irrelevencies that fit nowhere in the thread. > For this bitter shadow of Goanet past, who has even tried to gain some notice by ridiculing his own mother in one attack on Christians, such comical and desperate tactics mask his obviously incoherent and fact-free commentary. Why he bothers is a mystery as all it does is to draw attention to his own irrelevence. > ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Goa govt to form overseas recruitment agency
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Goa govt to form overseas recruitment agency Press Trust Of India / Mumbai/ Panaji September 01, 2006 Goa government has decided to form an overseas recruitment agency to streamline the process of employment abroad. Goa's Development Commissioner J K Dadoo along with NRI Commissioner Eduardo Faleiro would be visiting Delhi Sunday to complete the formalities in this regard, officials said. "Such agencies already exist Kerala, Punjab and Haryana, which are providing employment opportunities abroad," said U D Kamat, director, Goa NRIs. _ Cip UK To communicate globally in this 21st century, 'Roman Script' is the most popular and computer-friendly script, particularly for the language of our ancestors "Konkani". ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Fake quotes
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Can someone who lies about others and makes up fake quotes to malign them be a Jain in good standing? Cip -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Santosh Helekar Sent: 28 August 2006 08:43 To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! Subject: [Goanet] Fake quotes Can someone who lies about others and makes up fake quotes to malign them be a Catholic in good standing? Cheers, Santosh ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] CALAPUR SALT PAN DEVELOPMENT- H C OF BOMBAY AT GOA- ORDER-COMMENTS
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. IN THE HIGH COURT OF BOMBAY AT GOA PUBLIC INTEREST LITIGATION WP NO. 2 OF 2006 FLORIANO C. LOBO, MOIRA BARDEZ GOA Petitioner Versus STATE OF GOA THROUGH CHIEF SECRETARY, PORVORIM GOA AND 4 OTS. Ms. Norma Alvares, Amicus Curiae for the Petitioner. Mr. S.S Knatak, AG with Mr. M. Salkar, AGA for State. Mr. V.A. Lavande for respondent No. 3. (Panchayat of Santa Cruz) Mr. Mahesh Sonak with D. Pangam for respondent No.4. (Hara Houssing Development- Bangalore) Coram:- V.C. DAGA & N. A. BRITTO, JJ. Date: 22nd. August, 2006 P.C.: Parties to the petition have filed Minutes of the Order dated 22nd August 2006 duly signed by their respective Counsel . Petition stands disposed of in terms of the Minutes of the Order with no order as to costs. V.C. DAGA, J., N.A. BRITTO, J. MINUTES OF ORDER The petition be disposed of in terms of the following order:- 1. The Respondent No.3 shallforward the pans submitted by the Respondent No. 4 for construction of the Group Housing Scheme in Survey No. 540/2 and 541/4 of Village Panchayat of St. Cruz to the Respondent No. 5 i.e. Goa Coastal Zone Management Authority (GCZMA) 2. The Respondent No.5 i.e. GCZMA shall consider the plans vis-a-vis the applicability of CRZ Notification of 1991 and pass appropriate orders within a period of two months, from receipt of plans from Respondent No. 3. 3. All the contentions of theparties to this petition are left open. 4. The Respondent No.5. shall take a decision in the matter after hearing the Petitioner and the Respondent No. 4. 5. The decision of the Respondent No.5, if is in favour of Respondent No.4, shall not be given effect to for a period of two weeks from the date of communicatino of the decision. Panaji, August 22, 2006 S/d: 1. Adv. Norma Alvares, Amicus Curiae for the Petitioner 2. Shri. Manish Salkar, Adv. for Respondenent No. 1 & 5 (State & GCZMA) 3. Shri. V.A. Lavande, Adv. for Resp. No. 3 (Panchayat St. Cruz) 4. Shri. M.S. Sonak, Adv. for Resp. No.4 END COMMENTS: The petition is temporarily disposed for being transfered to the CRZ Authorities for conducting the inquiry if the Salt Pan is infact within the jurisdiction of the CRZ. In case the CRZ Authorities rule in favour of the Developer (HARA), then the Petitioner will have two weeks to go back to the High Court with his arguments why his is not satisfied with the ruling by the CRZ Authorities. Otherwise HARA goes home empty handed and the Salt pans remains to add more ecological balance to Goa's depleting environment, and, also be around to be harvested for natural salt to do away with the new iodized salt culture which is generally believed to be the cause of generating more sick people in Goa through over-doze of 'iodine' in the human system. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Was Hitler Pro-Catholic? / response to Cornel
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. - cornel Hi Gilbert I am still waiting for your evidence in referring to me as anti-Catholic. That I am anti-caste among Catholic Goans is absolutely true. -- Gilbert responds: Hi Cornel, You will not have to wait for long. Your persistence has paid off. Please tell us if you are a practicing Catholic? If Yes, please tell us the Church ministry you serve? Please do not be taken aback, since I ask these questions of all Catholics who express opinions on the Church. Thus, you are not selected for any special treatment. As a prolific writer, please tell us when last did you write an article favorable to the Catholic Church? I look forward to your response to Peter (quotes of Hitler) on this thread. Or did you reply, and I just missed it? In your second statement above, what has anti-caste got to do with Catholic? Isn't it a non-statement? Since caste-Catholic is an oxymoron is your statement a pleonasm (a redundant expression and the opposite of an oxymoron, which is an apparent contradiction). Selma, pleonasm is a new nomenclature on goanet. But a few have been playing it far too long, thinking they are fooling us suppurlem Goenkars. Is not being "anti-caste among Catholic Goans" like the Cosa Nostra emphasizing their Catholic credentials to the Italians? Are you not anti-caste like the rest of us - Goans, Indians, English, British of all faiths and non-faiths? Regarding your comments above, are you using the statement above as a subterfuge to bolster your Catholic credentials? Or are you using the statement to separate yourself from other (unknown and unnamed) Catholic Goans. Is this a sneak attack "Argumentum ad Hominem (abusive and circumstantial)" on Catholics and the Church? I am sure as an honorable gentleman, your responses will support if not bolster your past writings on the net - public and private. I thank you in anticipation for your responses. Kind Regards, GL ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Of ponti (oil lamp) and Konkani proverbs
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Peter, I did not know of the IRC conversations. I have a very rudimentary knowledge of technology (fortunately in my opinion) but I take it that IRC was the initial stage of the internet. Regards, George --- Peter D'Souza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > George, > > I'm not sure if you know this, Placido D'Souza's daughters, Lucia and > Maria, used to chat regularly with Goanet's founder Herman Carneiro on > the Internet Relay Chat (IRC) back in 1993-1994. It was those IRC > conversations which inspired the Herminator to start Goanet. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Goanet
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Thanks Meryn Lobo and others, So far I got 4 2/3 liners on Goanet. But no sponsors from Silent members yet :) --- Mervyn Lobo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > JoeGoaUk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Homework: > > What is Goanet to you ?? > > or Write one or two lines on ''goanet.'' > > (MAX 3 lines) > > Ok, JoeGoaUK. > Here's my take. > > Goanet is a place where I may meet someone I can learn > from. > > Mervyn3.0 > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa & NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ Konkani Songs, Goan Photos, Tiatr/Film VCDs, Bank interest rates etc etc (for updates etc click below) http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/files/ ___ Inbox full of spam? Get leading spam protection and 1GB storage with All New Yahoo! Mail. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Goa news for September 1, 2006
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Goa News from Yahoo! News and Goanet.org Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories. *** Can I get to Goa by ferry? (Times Online) The Sunday Times opens its travel clinic on a daily basis to answer your holiday queries. Today: ferries in India http://travel.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,26689-2333711,00.html *** Goa NGO to start laundry venture to help sex workers (New Kerala) Panaji, Aug 30: Victims of sex trafficking would soon own a small scale industry in Goa's Sancoale Industrial Estate, thanks to initiative by a non-government organisation. http://www.newkerala.com/news4.php?action=fullnews&id=14882 *** Goa to form overseas recruitment agency (New Kerala) Panaji, Aug 31: Goa government has decided to form an overseas recruitment agency to streamline the process of employment abroad. http://www.newkerala.com/news4.php?action=fullnews&id=15284 *** GIM to organise 2-day national conference on logistics (New Kerala) Panaji, Aug 31: Goa Institute of Management (GIM) is organising a two-day national conference from Septembet 2, which will deliberate on the vital issue of 'logistics'. http://www.newkerala.com/news4.php?action=fullnews&id=15417 *** Kotawala India acquires beach resort in Goa (New Kerala) Mumbai, Aug 28: Financial services firm Kotawala India Ltd today said it has acquired the Hotel Sunflower Beach Resort in Goa. The company said in a filing on the Bombay Stock Exchange that it acquired the resort situated in Calangute Bega, Goa. http://www.newkerala.com/news4.php?action=fullnews&id=13832 *** Anti-human trafficking unit to come up: DGP (Navhind Times) Panaji, Aug 31: The Director-General of Police, Mr Neeraj Kumar today informed that an anti-human trafficking unit is being set up in Goa. However, the Goa police are waiting for funds. http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=090150 *** Around 2 lakh foreign tourists expected to visit Goa (Navhind Times) Panaji, Aug 30: Around 850 charter flights are expected to land in Goa in the ensuing tourist season bringing in nearly 2 lakh foreign tourists. Over 700 charter flights landed in the state last year bringing in around 1.5 lakh tourists. http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=083154 *** Goa on the radar of terrorists: Chief Secy (Navhind Times) Panaji, Aug 29: The Chief Secretary, Mr J P Singh today said that along with the rest of India, Goa too was reeling under a constant threat of terror attacks because any terror activity here would attract international media attention on a unprecedented scale. http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=083010 *** Insects in cola, Goa sues PepsiCo (Yahoo! India News) Food and Drug Authorities in Goa have filed a case as "foreign particles" have been found in Pepsi drinks. http://in.news.yahoo.com/060830/211/673n4.html *** Kotawala says buys Sunflower resort in Goa (Reuters via Yahoo! Asia News) MUMBAI, Aug 28 (Reuters) - Financial services firm Kotawala India Ltd. said on Monday it had acquired Hotel Sunflower Beach Resort in Goa. http://asia.news.yahoo.com/060828/3/2p377.html Compiled by Goanet News Service http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Can the current Goa Government be defined as a kleptocracy?
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. http://www.answers.com/topic/kleptocracy kleptocracy Kleptocracy (sometimes Cleptocracy) (root: Klepto+cracy = rule by thieves) is a pejorative, informal term for a government so corrupt that no pretense of honesty remains. In a kleptocracy the mechanisms of government are devoted to taxing the public at large, or using their control of government processes in order to amass substantial personal fortunes for the rulers and their cronies (collectively, kleptocrats), or to keep said rulers in power through redistribution schemes. Kleptocrats typically use money laundering and/or anonymous banking to protect and conceal their personal illegal gains. Kleptocracies are by and large dictatorships or some other form of autocratic government, since democracy makes outright thievery for direct personal gain more difficult to sustain long term and still remain in power. States that operate consistently at the higher end of the kleptocratic scale tend to be politically and socially unstable, while being stably kleptocratic. The economies of kleptocracies tend to perform badly, as the systematic corruption engendered by kleptocratic governance means that the economy is subordinated to the interests of the kleptocrats. Distributive states that derive their wealth from the extraction of natural resources (eg. diamonds and oil in a few prominent cases) can be particularly prone to kleptocracy, as the kleptocrats simply tax the Ricardian rent. Redistristributive economies that derive their wealth through taxation have a natural limitation on how far they can extend the kleptocratic policies on their population without destabilizing their government. Redistributive economies often display their kleptoctatic tendencies through using taxes collected from the general public to curry favor with their particular constituency and may be targeted on particular swing undecided voters in order to buy favor with other peoples money. These tax funded programs often come with known detrimental effects to the wider economy besides the obvious effect on the budget. The creation of a kleptocracy typically results in many years of general hardship and suffering for the vast majority of citizens as civil society and the rule of law distintegrates. In addition, kleptocrats routinely ignore economic and social problems in their quest to amass ever more wealth and power. As kleptocrats do not attempt to build or maintain functioning states, or even maintain large security forces for fear of coups d'état, kleptocracies are generally incompetent in the face of social crises, and often collapse into prolonged civil war and anarchy. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Goanet
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. "Goanet is like a large fish pond, where thousands of Goan origin come to fish from all over the world. " Some catch real fish while the others dangle fish bought earlier from the local market into the pond and pull out the rod at the opportune moment to boast to fellow anglers about their superior fishing talents... Jason. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Tiatr: Hea Gharachim Dharam Bondh
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Jr. Trio Kings to Rock HAIL! The great charismatic entertainers! Aliston-Roystan-Frankie. Konkani lovers have rightly conferred upon them the title of Junior Kings The Junior Trio Kings have take the Konkani stage by storm in Goa and Mumbai with their breathtaking performances. Junior Trio Kings will today be performing at their singing zenith in Larentes Pereiras blockbuster tiatro "Hea Gharachim Dharam Bondh" to be staged on Friday, September 1, 2006 at 3:30 pm at the Hawally A/c auditorium. Other professional stage artistes all set to come from Goa are the King of Centuries Roseferns, Prince of Centuries Pascoal Rodrigues, comedian Agostinho Temudo, best character actor Anil Pednekar top heroine Olga Vaz, evergreen Felcy and for the first time in Kuwait the upcoming director Anthony Sylvester from St. Estevam. The numero uno comedian Agostinho Temudo is sure to tickle the ribs in his own inimitable style. For the first time in Kuwait see the upcoming director of Konkani stage Anthony Sylverster, from St Estevam. Artistes based in Kuwait who are prepared for scintillating performances include the comedy queen Querobin Carvalho, super stage girl Clara king of hearts Marcus Vaz, hit man Sylvester Vaz, super hero Adrian Goes, Kuwaits very best natural comedian Philip, super singer, actor an director Rosary Ferns, exceptional performer Mario de Majorda, Alex de Consua and Manuel de Santa Cruz. Music by: Maestro Shahu and Jolly Boys. Stage Managers are Menino de Rinandar and Benny Vaz. Stage setting by Caitano de Ribandar. Audio-Video by Olavo Paxha. Lights by Robert de Benavlim and the famous Spiders will weave the sound. Francis (Chequino) Fernandes and Nicholas Rodrigues are the tiatro patrons. http://www.goanet.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=5&pos=1 ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Plutoed - my hopes for salvation
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. It is observed that Goanet is rampant with unsavory diatribes, personal attacks and put-downs which tend to vitiate the quality of debates and deflect the focus from the real issues. If Goanet's "post" circle can be compared in hyperbole to the Knights of the Round Table we have way too many Modreds and not enough Lancelots and Galahads. Let's make the environment more benign in order to avoid the appearance of animosity. In GoaNet's august word exchangeMart when opinions and facts are far apart let's avoid vile language hurtful and tart hurling affront and slur like a vicious dart for such behavior belittles Writing's Art Cheers Arnold ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Portuguese translation
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Dear Sir, One of our Priests here in Pune wanted to know if there is any software available for translating documents from Portuguese to English.(Fr.Marian - the parish priest from Immaculate Conception Church - City Church). Would you have any idea about this ? Is there any way, we could possibly read the contents of the document and the software could possibly have some voice recognition system that would translate the Portuguese to English. Appreciate if you could help us to know a little more about how this could be done. Thanks and Regards, Dominic Ferrao. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Effects of Public Executions on Homicide Rates
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- cornel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >... but one that worries me a lot is the risk of the > wrong guy getting executed despite all the > precautions taken. Mistakes like this have happened > and will continue to happen among humans. > Mario clarifies: > This is a valid concern, but this problem can and is being dealt with in the US by the checks and balances in the overall process. > In the US, while some people have been erroneously convicted of murder and sentenced to death, the subsequent virtually unlimited government-paid appeals process, which ranges from 12 to 20 years after the original sentencing, identifies any errors that were committed in the original trial. In these cases the original convictions get overturned and the sentences repealed, and there has not been a single proven case of an innocent person being executed, though allegations abound by opponents of capital punishment. > However, since most executed persons live an almost average life span due to the lengthy appeals process, the deterrent effect of capital punishment is diluted. > The deterrent effect seen in places like Saudi Arabia and China results from the swift and certain execution of those convicted of homicide and drug dealing. However, because of the absence of any meaningful right of appeal in these countries, it is almost certain that people that are wrongfully accused and convicted, intentionally or unintentionally, are being executed. > ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] HEART-TO-HEART: Goan Art Seeks A Future
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. HEART TO HEART By Ethel Da Costa Goan Art Seeks A Future Goan art is under attack. Sadly, not from a lack of creativity or potential - despite a need for control on mediocrity -- but on account of a lack of priority requiring a serious re-think to promote talented Goan artists on a wider, bigger, competitive, national and international platform. Invited last month to open a young artists exhibition forum held at the Myriad Art Gallery in Panjim, I could not help but wonder aloud at the direction the art industry in Goa was heading towards. So much talent, so much promise, but where would it all lead? Would they be struggling for the next ten years to make a living off their talent, or forced to leave Goan shores to find their future? Despite concerted efforts by private individuals, art patrons, corporates and the Kala Academy to support the art movement in Goa and provide consistent platforms (and sales) for the development of the artist community, would it all come to nothing without a consolidated artist movement to support careers to reach full bloom? Goa abounds with many recognised art galleries. But, what is their role in working towards establishing a consolidated strong market to boost consistency, and in turn encourage more artists to embrace a life of art? Established Goan artists believe sustained support, long term planning, vision and marketing by the government could result in providing a lifeline for Goan art and in turn, help boost art tourism. "A need for good institutions, committed people passionate about art and seriousness in purpose," artists reckon, "is the need of the hour." That's where the Monsoon Art Festival (Aug 21-25) at the Kala Academy hoped to step in and make a contribution. Fuelled by the desire to get the talented art fraternity together (even if we had to begin small) supported by the largesse of art patrons in Goa, we hope this is the first of the many more to come. It is faith and sheer support which has resulted in bringing together the best Goa has to offer in terms of talent, potential, creativity and market. Artists like Antonio E Costa, Suhas Shilker, Anand Mohan Naik, Francis De Sousa, Mohan Naik, Hanuman Kambli, Vamona Anant Navelkar, Subodh Kerkar, Alexyz, Nirupama Naik, Yolanda De Souza, Apoorva Kulkarni, Sanjay Harmalkar, Harshada Kerkar, Tanya Mendonca, Viraj Naik, Pradeep Naik, Vitesh Naik, Rajendra Usapkar, Santosh Morajkar, Chaitali Morajkar, Shilpa Mayekar Naik, Siddharth Gosavi, Hitesh Pankar, N Kanhaiya and S Chewandkar do us proud, making the sweat worth it. The exhibition was also a rare occasion for the people of Goa to witness the mastery of works created by nationally and internationally acclaimed and practicing artists living in Goa. The art works represent a wide variety of techniques and subjects demonstrating the depth of creative resource which exists in Goa and which deserves the full support of the Govt. Fortunately, good news seems to loom large with a change of guard at the Adil Shah's Palace and the government's decision to give the Old Secretariat a change of role. However, artist Yolanda de Souza says, "A call for discussion and debate in deciding the future course of the art community, vis-à-vis the revamping of the Secretariat as the Art & Culture Centre, is imperative. We need more private participation and less government interference in it's functioning," she emphasises. "We perceive a centre for Art & Culture, the kind of which is not seen anywhere in India. If given proper thought and conceived well, it can definitely be unique even in the whole of Asia. The possibilities to create an Art & Culture Centre of substance is not impossibility. Yes, it needs a Herculean effort. The hugeness of the task can be made effortless if the right criteria is followed. The right people appointed to the right post. In other words, a team of qualified personnel with a passion for art, to exclusively run a project of this magnitude is a must, if we want to meet our goal of creating a space that would be unique in India, and perhaps even in Asia. We must believe in perfection. In what is the right thing to do," Yolanda states. Supported by the Govt of Goa and art patrons like Shrinivas Dempo, Dinar Tarcar, Pratapsingh Rane -- personalities recognised for their support of the arts - we would like to extend this invitation to the people of Goa to ste
[Goanet] Goans and the English language
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. This is not more fodder for the great language debate in Goa. I don't want to comment on the sentimental loyalties of the Marathiwaddas or on the virtues of Devanagari versus Romani script. I am ill equipped to do so. Language has always been of interest to me. It is the very foundation of all our thought processes. To quote Karl Kerenyi: "The interdependence of thought and speech makes it clear that languages are not so much a means of expressing truth that has already been established, but are a means of discovering truth that was previously unknown." It is precisely because language is so fundamental to the development of a society, that we as Goans are doing ourselves a great dis-service by speaking English. The vast majority of Goans, including a great many teachers, have a very poor grasp of the English language both in terms of grammar and vocabulary. At the lowest end of the socio-economic strata, vocabulary may be limited to as little as 100 words in English. Yet, grandmothers, nannies, virtually everybody involved in the rearing of children will insist on speaking English. This impoverished form of English that is beginning to be passed down from generation to generation, is negatively impacting our society. By the time, a child is 6 to 8 years old, his vocabulary should be extensive enough for him to recognise puns, form sentences to express emotion and verbalise abstract thinking. If he is not equipped with a language that enables him to do so, he is unable to develop the mental templates that lead to higher order thinking. Doubtless, there will be a section of our society who is able to expose their children to books, theater, cinema and other mediums that increase a child's linguistic prowess, but the vast majority is disenfranchised from such opportunities and suffer from a paucity of a strong linguistic system. It is far better to speak to children in the vernacular then it is to speak to them in broken and vocabulary impoverished English. "Speaking English in the house" should not be a badge of honour and not speaking English should not be a source of embarrassment. For those interested in reading how language influences thought here is a good link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sapir-Whorf_hypothesis __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] KONKAN CURRY: To my teachers, with love
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. To my teachers, with love. Education, like charity, begins at home. So it was in my case. The relationship between my father and me was more of a 'guru-shishya' parmapara than that of a child awed and constantly corrected by the parent. His life, words and works are what have shaped my life more than anything else. I salute him this week in which we also celebrate "Teacher's Day" in India. I also salute my teachers in school and University. It is not everyone who is blessed with teachers like Pandurang M.Naik, known simply as "Guruji" by the thousands of students he taught, Theresa D'Souza, Ivan Rocha, Edwin Saldanha, Shrikant Hegde, Fr. Vivian Lobo, Fr. Theo de Sales, James Fernandes, Queenie Saldanha, Fr. Nicolau Pereira, Dr. K.R.Melanta and Dr. Lamon Brown. Surely, I have had many more good teachers, but these are the ones who have influenced my life the most. >From the student's point of view, it is not so important as to how well a teacher teaches as how much one learns from the teacher. Whether it is in the examination at the end of the term or during the many tests during one's life, what the teacher has taught is not as critical as what one has imbibed from the teaching and the teacher's life. That teacher is best who creates the proper environment for learning to take place. Teaching is not the continuous process of life, learning is! My greatest 'guru' outside home is Edwin Saldanha. He taught us art [or 'drawing' as it was known when I was in school] and I must admit that, in spite of his best efforts, I still have not learnt to draw. I did learn 'colouring' and how to use contrasts and harmony of colours. This is useful in my professions of landscaping and publication. His greatest contribution to my life is the introduction to "Boy Scouts" and the constant goading to excel. He was never my 'Scout Master' in school. This role was played by Shrikant Hegde to perfection. Mr. Hegde and I learnt how to tie the standard scouting knots from the book because he did not want his student to look like a fool at the training camp held a few days after I was 'invested' as a Boy Scout in school. With Hegde as my Scout Master, Fredrico de Ataide as the trainer and Edwin Saldanha as the pace setter, I had the distinction of being the first Boy Scout from Goa to receive the President's Medal from the President of India. Remove Edwin Saldanha from this stage of my life and I might have been just another mediocre student with poor self esteem and then employed in some nondescript job. A teacher who has shaped the lives of many students, including me, in St. Britto High School is Ivan Rocha. He picked up boys and trained them for General Knowledge Quiz, elocution and debates. He invested his time in many generations of students. He would dip into his pockets to buy us snacks and tea, for growing-up boys are forever hungry. Quite a few of us have ventured into journalism, and are doing well in it, because of him. Team work, delegation of roles, quick thinking, the art of repartee all come from such events. We are richer for the experience and the guidance of teachers like these. They gave us the better perspective of life. The difference between a rich person and a poor person is often determined by the person's perspective of life. A friend of mine forwarded this illustrative story to me just a few days back. One day a wealthy man took his adolescent son on a trip to the country with the express purpose of showing him how poor people live. They spent a couple of days and nights on the farm of what would be considered a very poor family. On their return from their trip, the father asked his son, "How was the trip?" The son replied, "It was great, Dad." "Did you see how poor people live?" the father asked. "Oh yes," said the son. "So, tell me, what you learnt from the trip?" asked the father. The son answered, "I saw that while we have only one dog and they had four. We have a pool that reaches to the middle of our garden and they have a creek that has no end. We have imported lanterns in our garden and they have the stars at night. Our patio reaches to the front yard and they have the whole horizon. We have a small plot of land around our house and they have fields that go beyond our sight. We have servants who serve us, but they serve others. We buy our food, but they grow theirs. We have walls around our property
Re: [Goanet] Hitler as a Catholic
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Hi Peter [With apologies to those Goanetters who may be absolutely bored of this issue by now. Hopefully this will be my last post on this topic, so please bear with me!] Sorry I took longer to reply to your post than intended. Out of curiosity, I got reading the full texts of many of Hitler's speeches and these took ages. They definitely confirm my contention that Hitler was a Catholic, irrespective of the general consensus that, he was a monster and an extremely obnoxious character responsible for WW2 and the murder of millions. 1. Although you did not explain why you found my original statement about Hitler as a Catholic to be a source of humour, you have basically agreed with me that Hitler was a Catholic. You called him a "cultural" Catholic. This is fine by me. Thank you. I had of course gone beyond your description. >From the historical evidence-- his declared belief in God, Jesus and Catholicism is very clear even though we can never truly know, as with anybody else, what exactly he believed within his Catholic faith. I am however well satisfied that he was misguided in his faith, just as Osama bin Laden is, with regard to his stated devotion to Islam. While some Goanetters are happy to refer to Bin Laden as an Islamo Fascist, I am in absolute agreement with Aristo that Hitler was a Catholic Fascist and in good company with other WW2 Catholic Fascists like Franco (helped greatly by Hitler in the Spanish Civil War), and Mussolini. So now, let's look at some differences in our interpretations about Hitler the Catholic! Conjectures and refutations, as in science, are the very stuff of the historical process. And as knowledge is provisional because it is continuously evolving and changing, (as distinct from useful and necessary, 'Western' formulaic working facts like 2+2=4) there is always room for much re-examination of facts and interpretations to be able to have a fruitful discussion on any topic. But before we do this, I'd like to clarify a misunderstanding from my earlier statement on Goanet (but not linked to you) that, all knowledge is provisional. This has been seemingly provocative to at least one particularly vociferous poster on Goanet. That all knowledge is provisional does not mean that it is not possible to arrive at a consensus about aspects of what is true and not true. Nor is there an acceptance that everything is relative, nor that consensual truth is provisional, or that historians merely re-define facts. Historians and all people in the knowledge industry, re-examine data continuously, not re-define it, except exceptionally. The recent example of Pluto, or about the contested view about who actually won in Lebanon, notwithstanding the cover page of the recent Economist that, Hizbullah did, illustrates my point about provisionality at any historical time. Above all, it is difficult to be dogmatic about most things outside the realm of belief. Healthy scepticism and criticality are most valued in our over-arching knowledge industry today. I therefore hope this provides some clarification to at least one poster who has been inclined to be rather over-reliant on commonsense instead of being better read and informed as I believe you definitely are! 2. To reiterate, I had said that: a) Hitler was born and nurtured a Catholic, b) is on record in his own words and the words of his close associates that he was a Catholic, c) practised every public aspect of Catholicism such as church attendance, taking the sacraments, and faithfully paying his dues (taxes) to the Catholic Church, d) was never excommunicated, e) had a productive working relationship with the Vatican, minimally, through a Concordant, f) instituted the Double Cross used in the Church which constituted the Swastika superimposed on the Crucifix, g) that there is a huge quantity of photographic evidence to confirm much of the above. All such empirical evidence does make it much easier to 'prove' that Hitler was a Catholic rather than to 'prove' that he was not a Catholic which clearly requires an appeal to untestable faith issues. 3. In turn, whilst stating that Hitler was a "cultural" Catholic, you said that the word Christian meant different things in different parts of the world and illustrated this with reference to America, England, India and Lebanon. I do not dispute this at all. However, all my claims about Hitler cent
[Goanet] Goa Monsoon Photo Marathon '06
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Date: September 3, 2006 The monsoons in Goa are a delight to behold and an excellent opportunity for photography. With a view to promoting this art form together with the monsoon season in Goa, GoaPhotogs is organizing the first annual Goa Monsoon Photo Marathon - a day that promises to be filled with fun and exciting photography. A photography marathon brings together the elements of a marathon pace, stamina and a gritty determination - along with the creative aspects of a photography competition. Participants are required to be at their creative peak in the face of limited time at hand, battling the elements, heavy traffic and their own physical exertions in the 9-hour event. Categories: There will be the following three categories: Colour Film Black & White Film Digital How it Works: The competition will run over a continuous period of 9 hours from 8am to 5pm. Those opting for the film category will bring one 35 mm film roll. Those opting for digital category will have to use one memory card (no internal camera memory will be permitted). During this period, participants will be given one theme every 3 hours making up a total of 3 themes over the entire day. Participants will have to shoot and submit one image for each theme. Since a photo marathon is a test of stamina and skill, sticking to timing is very important. 3 hours are allotted for each theme. Those arriving later than the stipulated 3 hours for each theme will be disqualified for the theme for which they arrived late. At the end of the day film participants will submit their roll containing images shot during the day to the organisers at the venue. The rolls will be processed by GoaPhotogs. Those shooting digital will have to download 3 images for each of the three themes announced during the day onto the computers provided at the venue. A time of 3 minutes will be allotted to each participant for this purpose. No manipulation etc will be permitted on the downloaded images. During the time the rolls are being processed, we will have a group "evening out" at Ernesto's (Club Vasco da Gama, Panjim). Here the images shot in digital format will be projected for viewing by the entire group. Later in the day, on receipt of the processed rolls, participants shooting film will be permitted to choose their three best shots to be submitted for judging. Exhibition: An exhibition of the best photographs will be held, the venue and dates of which will be announced. Registration: To register for this event please e-mail us before August 31, 2006 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.goaphotogs.in ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Fake quotes...
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. > --- "Frederick \"FN\" Noronha" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Why? --FN > --- Santosh Helekar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Because there is a method to my madness, as I am > sure, there is one to yours. My method is as > follows: > > 1. No unprovoked flame baits. > Mario observes: > In direct contradiction to the assertion above, the following are two unprovoked and very recent flame baits from Santosh. > http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2006-August/047704.html > http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2006-August/047553.html > ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] A word about emigration and assimilation/ To Mario
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Carvalho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dear Mario, > > First of all you have created an oxymoron with > "emigrated temporarily". I've always liked the word > oxymoron, largely because of the latter part of the > word, which so aptly describes so many things we > write > :)) > Mario responds: > You may want to speak for yourself when make such an assertion:-)) > There was nothing "moronic" in my comments, whether "oxy" or not:-)) > I had made it quite clear that I was referring to people who become citizens of another country - thus ostensibly "emigrating" - out of convenience, while fully intending to return to their country of origin - thus "temporary". No one uses the term "guest worker" for such people. > I know dozens of Indians that fit this description most of whom return to India after they retire. These folks, by definition, do not have the same commitment and loyalty to the country and the fabric of the society they have emigrated to as the irrevocable immigrant like myself. > I can assure you that your presumptious assumption that my comments were about about you are unfounded. I had no one in particular in mind. However, you have indirectly made my point when you describe the transient nature of guest workers. > The last time I checked the term "guest worker" was not being applied immigrants, as guest workers are, by definition, citizens of another country. They may or may not want to emigrate eventually, and are here simply as guests, to work. > ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
