[Goanet] Portuguese Discoveries, Smithsonian and Turner / Spices & The Portuguese

[Thaumaturgist]

This excerpt might provide some interesting reading on
the current subject. The complete article, originally
published in the ECONOMIST magazine was titled;

The Spice Trade, A Taste of Adventure:
KERALA, INDIA, AND THE MOLUCCA ISLANDS, INDONESIA
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Soon after dawn on May 21st 1498, Vasco da Gama and his
crew arrived at Calicut after the first direct sea voyage
from Europe to Asia. If history’s modern age has a
beginning, this was it. Europe’s ignorance of, and
isolation from, the cosmopolitan intellectual and
commercial life of Asia were ended forever. With ships,
weaponry and a willingness to use them both, the countries
of Europe were about to colonize the rest of the world. To
support this expansion, its merchant classes would invent
new forms of commercial credit and the first great
corporations, vital parts of capitalism’s operating system,
and spread their trading networks across the seven seas. 

And what did the men shout as they came ashore? "For Christ
and spices!" 

The proselytising part turned out to be disappointingly
unnecessary: there were already plenty of Christians living
on the Malabar coast, following the arrival of a Syrian
contingent many centuries earlier. 

But as far as spice went, Vasco da Gama and his crew were
right on the money. Then, as now, Calicut was a gateway to
the world’s greatest pepper-growing region — indeed this
was why the Syrians had moved there in the first place. As
such it was at the heart of the spice trade, a network of
sea routes and entrepôts in the making for millennia: the
world economy’s oldest, deepest, most aromatic roots. 
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The complete article can be found at,
http://www.theepicentre.com/Spices/spicetrd.html

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Subject: [Goa Research Net] Portuguese Discoveries,
Smithsonian and Turner: Just another media stunt?
Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2006 11:50:08 -

THE DISCOVERIES MARKED THE END OF THE FASCINATION FOR
SPICES

Lisboa, Jornal PÚBLICO, 3 December 2006, Sunday Bulletin on
Culture, 
p. 33

Trade in spices did not begin with the arrival of Vasco da
Gama in 
India in 1498 as we are made to believe in the text books
in our 
first classes of History of Portuguese Discoveries. The
Egyptians 
used spices and the Romans had organized trade routes for
commerce of 
spices.
Jack Turner, an Australian researcher and author of Spice –
The 
History of a Temptation, reconstructs the history of spice
trade 
from Egypt to the arrival of the Portuguese, the English
and the 
Dutch in the East. The only major difference that the
Portuguese 
introduced was the change of the route.
Turner wrote one of the 20 essays for the catalogue of the
exposition 
entitled Encompassing the Globe, which has been inaugurated
in 
Washington at the Simthsonian Institute. The exposition
seeks to 
present the views of a new generation of historians. Turner
seeks to 
respond to a central issue and question: Why were the
spices so 
important for the Portuguese? They were used since the
second 
millennium BP for cooking, as medicines and as
aphrodisiacs. They 
were much sought by the elites. The results were not always
the most 
satisfying, and some were even recipes for torture: imagine
a mix of 
honey, peper and wine for better sight, or applying pepper
to 
genitals as sexual stimulant!
Pepper was most in demand before and after the Portuguese
discovery 
of the Cape route. In the first years of this route in the
16th 
century nearly 90 % of the Portuguese cargo consisted of
pepper. When 
there were shipwrecks with this cargo aboard, they would
provoke 
black tidal waves. 
Despite the Portuguese crown investments, it never made the
expected 
profits with this trade. Bad administration and excessive
expenses 
with transport and defence did not permit the Portuguese to

neutralize its rivals. The Portuguese crown tried in vain
to fix the 
prices in Europe by trying to keep the monopoly of this
trade. It 
never succeeded in doing this. There was corruption and
parallel 
black market which benefited the country, but not the
crown.
Despite the limited benefits, the spices were greatly
responsible for 
promoting a new vision of the world. It would not have been
possible 
without Gama, who cannot be seen as a discoverer, but as a
merchant 
and investor.
Turner concludes that the Portuguese Discoveries had a
major cultural 
impact and were vital for the evolution of the modern world
and for 
the beginning of the globalization.
Very differently from the traditional economic and
political readings 
of the impact of the pepper, cinnamon and ginger trade, the

Australian historian is more interested in analysing the
impact upon 
the lives and imagination of peoples across centuries. The
high point 
of the trade in 

[Goanet] Albert sends his good wishes to all of you

[Albert Desouza]

Dear friends
I have awoken up from my sleep after nearly three months. I was not well and 
now I am busy.I wonder how life has been since my internet was not working 
for the last three months and no mails since then. The christmas season is 
drawing near and one is drawn closer to the poor only in this season 
.Hypocrates I feel. We put our nose in the air after all we are the heirs of 
heaVEN. hOPE SO.
Going to church for mid night mass, singing loudly the christmas carols one 
is still yet to find the baby Jesus . Love your neighbour as I have loved 
you. Are you on the right track? or your train is running in cities and in 
industries only? Is your religious society Pvt LTD or universal ? Do you 
wear armour, roam about in Honda City at other people's cost or are you 
walking your path towards the hut with broken walls?Are you crazy after your 
religion and crazy with your religious possession or are you living in a 
simple world with less prayers on your lips and more love in your heart? We 
have Mary our mother. We have put thousand heads on her weak body and have 
named her with too many names.But who is Mary? She is a simple woman who has 
bent her knees towards God and has accepted Him as her father and with her 
bended knees she has accepted the will of Her creator. Be it done according 
to your word. She praised God with her open heart and sang the Magnificat. 
She is the mother of Jesus who loved Jesus as a son of man but she herself 
has never promissed any one to take us to heaven. Just follow her and heaven 
is yours.People do not know why they have put her at level with God. She has 
never made any statement but lived with Christ so why blow Mary as another 
God? She herself will not like it. Today people roam from one state to 
another state praying to her but have never imitiated her. He obedience to 
God, her concern to humanity has made her great.
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Re: [Goanet] 19th century "Goanese" couple?

[Frederick \"FN\" Noronha]

Cornel, if you collect stamps ... given your sociology link... you
would appreciate Dr Robert "Bob" Newman's article on stamps in
colonial Goa... it's called "Orientalism for Kids" and is in his
collected works. The most fascinating interpretation and analysis to
my (non-technical) mind. FN

On 28/11/06, Cornel DaCosta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Fred
> Yes I had seen the unusual portrayal of the "Goanese couple" on the postage
> stamp and was rather intrigued then. I may even have one  in my old unsorted
> collection.
> Cornel
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Re: [Goanet] Absence of women on Goanet/response to Selma

[Bosco D'Mello]

On Fri Dec 1 07:35:51 PST 2006, Sunith D Velho wrote:

> Instead of being condemned to a life of fast food and microwave meals I
> am  now able to cook Goan and Indian food myself(including fish
> cutlets!). This was unheard of a generation ago

RESPONSE: Sunith, its a delight to read you can do better than break an egg 
and strain the rice. With experimenting you could possibly share some of 
your recipes with the rest of us.

What was unheard of a generation ago ?

- You could not cook a meal in your previous generation?
- The males in the generations preceding you in your family could not cook a 
meal?
- Goan men of previous generations could not cook a meal ?

Best - Bosco
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Re: [Goanet] Appreciating Goan Cultural Practice (part 1)

[Mervyn Lobo]

Gilbert Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> However, since you likely had firsthand experience
> of your grandfather's walking stick, the question I
> have: Was such a walking stick heavy and cumbersome
> to use routinely when taking a stroll?


Don't know the answer to that one Gilbert. I only
remember the walking stick kept with several others in
a vase by the front door. We even have a 12 tip deer
horn by the door to hang your hat.

Mervyn3.0




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Re: [Goanet] The Mess that is Goa

[Bosco D'Mello]

I found Sunith's comparisons of NewYork of the 1900s with present day Goa 
amusing. Instead of moving forward he seems to be acknowledging that Goa is 
going backward. Never mind crime and corruption in New York in the 1900s; 
Contemporary Goa draws parallels to Southern Italy of the 1970s, 80s, 90s - 
with similar tales of the Cosa Nostra & the Corleones. Big difference - Goa 
is yet to find its Giovanni Falcone or Paolo Borsellino.

If Sunith was amusing, Cecil Pinto's stand on the debate was down right 
hilarious (just like his weekly column) complete with a list of laws and 
by-laws from the Canadian landscape of the 19th (not even 20th) century. I 
guess only in Goa is safe to fall off a two-wheeler travelling at 5kmph. 
Cecil's penchant for detail, cracked me up today when he ferreted out 
Helga's blooper.

One fella had to write-in to say he had no opinion. I thought Netiquette 
demanded one just kept quiet if one did not have an opinion.

Apart from the sometimes jingoistic exchanges on this thread, are we 
sincerely ready to acknowledge Goa's shortcomings? Or is Valmiki Faleiro, 
Aires Rodrigues, VM, Floriano Lobo and other eminent personalities in Goa 
that address social issues at the grassroots just shooting the breeze ??

For some unfortunate reason (possibly personal) this turned into a 
Goan-expatriate vs Goan-in-Goa exchange. I think the latter should let the 
former indulge himself in nostalgic recollections. That's how the human 
psyche works. I find it absurd that a Goan-expatriate should be disqualified 
from expressing  (him)herself on issues in Goa especially when some of us 
have family that live in Goa or own real estate and/or a business(es) 
there - we are affected in some way or the other. Its quite natural for the 
human psyche to wish for a better life not just for themselves but for 
family and friends in Goa too.

I think everybody subscribed here or expresses an opinion here about Goa, 
does so because we care about Goa. While Goan expatriates may love and 
cherish Goa, there is a finite limitation as to what they can do to 
influence issues in Goa. We Goans have been a vagabond people that have 
perpetually migrated within Goa, India and the corners of the world. 
Irrespective of where we are, we will always have an opinion of Goa.

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[Goanet] Discrimination at IFFI irks southern filmmakers

[Frederick \"FN\" Noronha]

Discrimination at IFFI irks southern filmmakers
By R.G. Vijayasarathy, Indo-Asian News Service

Panaji, Dec 5 (IANS) Southern filmmakers are angry with organisers of
the just concluded International Film Festival of India (IFFI) for
giving undue importance to Bollywood and are threatening to boycott
the event next year.

Award-winning Tamil and Malayalam director T.V. Chandran came down
heavily on the organisers and said filmmakers from the south might not
participate next year if they are not given equal importance.

Well-known Tamil director-actor Cheran, whose film "Thavamai
Thavamiirindu" was showcased at IFFI, was annoyed because the usual
procedure before a film's screening in such festivals was not
followed. He was allowed to speak on the occasion only when he
threatened to walk out.

"It is not Bollywood alone that represents Indian cinema," an angry
Cheran told IANS.

Nine of Chandran's films, including his first Tamil film "Aadum
Koothu", were screened at the festival. But he was "extremely unhappy"
because of "the profound lack of knowledge" about the south.

Both Cheran and Chandran were surprised that the festival directorate
had not given proper prominence and publicity to south Indian films
selected for the Indian Panorama.

They criticised the "lack of publicity" for their films and said
publicity material was not used even though it had been sent to the
organisers before the screening. The focus, filmmakers said, was on
"pleasing the invitees from Bollywood".

Well-known Kannada film director Girish Kasaravalli has called for
IFFI being shifted to southern venues other than Goa, a proposal that
has found support from many filmmakers from southern states.

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Re: [Goanet] Shirodkar's operation

[Frederick \"FN\" Noronha]

My mum was one of the nurses working with Dr V N Shirodkar in the
1950s at the Bombay Hospital, when he invented the 'Shirodkar's
stitch'. He often joked about his Goan origins, or so she told me. Of
course, I could be wrong here. These are just stories told to a kid
... which I was when I heard them. FN

On 05/12/06, Jesus Mario B. Fernandes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thought this might be useful and interesting.
>
> As I browsing through the Chambers Dictionary (New Edition), I found a
> entry,  'Shirodkar's operation' in it which means " 'an operation in which
> the neck of the womb is closed with the suture to prevent miscarriage', (N V
> Shirodkar, 1900-71, Indian Obstretrician)'".
>
> As the name couldnt have been anything but of Goan ethnicity, perhaps
> somebody could tell us more about him, to be included amongst Great Goans,
> if the case may be,--without alluding to his roots, low caste or otherwise,
> Shastikar or Bardezkar, Warriors or not, or anything that betrays a medieval
> mindset, a deeply rooted prejudice that projects narrow outdated ideas about
> one's origins.
>
> J Mario  E Fernandes,
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[Goanet] Appreciating Goan Cultural Practice (Part 2)

[Gilbert Lawrence]

Hi Gabe, 
 
Thanks for reading the first two parts of this thread and trying to connect 
them. 
Thanks for taking the time to respond. 
I can understand your comment below. 
All that I will reply for now is "the suspense continues".:=)) 
 
Just as a preview, 
Only the final of the four part write-up will re-connect this account back to 
Goa. 
That's when the supurlo Goenkars pre-empted the science. 
Stay tuned to know  "the rest of the story" about the science behind old 
cultural practices. 

Kind Regards, GL

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Time to change the title of your posts? 
DEV BOREM KORUM. 

- Gilbert Lawrence wrote: 

> Fast forward to 1990, when I settled in the USA as a practicing physician. 


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[Goanet] Searching for Goan Hummingbirds

[Mervyn Lobo]

The following is my favourite Japanese story:

When the forest where the birds lived went up in
flames, the animals ran out to save themselves. But
the hummingbird stayed, flying to and from a nearby
river with drops of water in its beak to pour on the
fire.

>From a distance, the other animals laughed and mocked
it. "What do you think you are doing?" they shouted.
"This fire is overwhelming. You can't do anything."

Finally, the hummingbird turned to them and said, "I'm
doing what I can."

Folks, I am looking for a few Goan hummingbirds. 

We have only a few more days to sell Goa Sudharop
raffle tickets. Help us help Goa.
 
Mervyn3.0

> Use can now pay for tickets through PAYPAL on the 
> Goa Sudharop website at www.goasudharop.org (you 
> don't need a Paypal account, just a credit card). 
> Whether you pay through Paypal or mail a cheque for
> tickets, please email Melanie Moniz at
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] to let her know so she
> can track payments with tickets. 



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[Goanet] Link and full text of reference material

[Philip Thomas]

Here is the link and full text of the material I have been referring to
recently. We do not know when such detailed information will be forthcoming
again as the folks involved seem to have gone into "batten down the hatches"
mode of late.
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http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=12031

Navy committed to welfare of Goans: Rear Admiral
NT News Service


Vasco, Dec 2: The Flag Officer Commanding Goa Area, Rear Admiral, AVSM NM,
Sanjay Vadgaokar said that Navy being an integral part of Goa is strongly
committed to welfare of Goans and despite severe shortages in trained
manpower, it has opened the Dabolim airfield for 24 hours of operation since
September 2003.Rear Admiral Vadgaokar was interacting with the press at INS
Gomantak, as a part of Navy Week celebration organized by the Flag Officer
Commanding Goa Area and Flag Officer Naval Aviation on Friday evening.

"The Indian Navy is probably one of the few navies in the world which
encourage civil operations from it's airfields" stated Rear Admiral
Vadgaokar and further added that towards this end, on realising limitations
and restrictions on the availability of parking space and civil dispersal a
total of 25 acres of land had recently been handed over to the Airport
Authority of India.

He also stated that the navy has assets of Rs 75 crore in Goa and Rs 1,000
crore has been spent on infrastructure. He further said that Dabolim is the
largest airbase of Indian Navy and is operating six different types of
aircrafts.

He also informed that the navy is operating 24 hours and has upgraded its
system. "There is also an exclusive radar for civil operation at Dabolim
airbase" stated Rear Admiral Vadgaokar.

He opined that the navy is a risk-oriented profession and it's strength is
about 6,000 in Goa. This also includes.(sic)

It was also informed about Rs 40 crore is being spent to enhance the runway
itself. It was also disclosed that the Navy has given 84 per cent of the
time to civil operation. "If the civil aviations stretch their operations
during night times than there would be no confusion at the Dabolim airport,"
added Rear Admiral Vadgaokar. He also clarified that the navy has restricted
the civil operation at Dabolim airport for only four and half hours that is
from 8.30 a.m morning till 1 p.m.

"The Navy has gone out of it's way towards promoting civil air operations,
in this regard several additional facilities have been installed to
facilitate the commercial flights" said Rear Admiral Vadgaokar and further
pointed out that It may be interestingly to note that other than radar, none
of these additionally installed facilities are required for operations of
military aircraft from Dabolim. He added that purely from the point of view
of the national security on a broader canvas the navy at Goa is a backbone
of Maritime Operations on the West coast of India.

"It needs no elaboration that the navy and Goa are synonymous to each other,
be it may the erstwhile Portuguese Navy or the Indian Navy post-liberation,
the bond of trust between the navy and the people of Goa is strong and
therefore very integrated" stated Rear Admiral Vadgaokar.

He informed that the first Naval Detachment was established in Goa on
January 1, 1962 when the office of first Naval Officer-in-Charge (Goa) was
established at Headland Sada.

"As the years passed by the erstwhile Portuguese Garrison which included
land of Dabolim, Major Bunder Jetty, the area at Chicalim where we presently
have the Naval Armament Depot, the Mangor and Alpaqures hills and all were
taken over by the Government of India (since Goa was the Union Territory
then)". And this entire Garrison was later handed over to Navy by the
Government of India for the custody and establishment of a Naval Area. It
must be mentioned that the growth of nNavy in Goa was simultaneous to growth
of the Indian Navy at other places like Mumbai, Vizag, Kochi as well.

Rear Admiral Vadgaokar stated that the naval base at Karwar is presently
only capable of berthing of ships and submarines and not for accommodating
large bodied aircraft and their operations.

"There is no airfield in Karwar Naval Base" stated Rear Admiral Vadgaokar
and further pointed out that a provision does exist in the blue print of the
second phase of 'Project Seabird' to have a small airfield at Karwar however
it's use will be limited to operations of helicopters and small aircraft
primarily to maintain supply lines to the ships and submarines". Rear
Admiral Vadgaokar cleared its stand saying that the topography and
geographical location of Karwar does not permit operations of large bodied
aircraft operations of large bodied aircraft.

He said that the Navy Day is being celebrated on December 4 as the Karachi
harbour was set ablaze in a daring attack launched by the Indian Navy during
1971 Indo-Pak war.

"Taking this auspicious opportunity of Navy Day for this year the
Headquarter Goa Naval Area has undertaken numerous activities to be clos

[Goanet] Little Goans - We make those Goans Great! Viva Gandhi-class Goans!

[Silviano Barbosa]

The "Great Goans" thread reminds me of an old posting of mine made during 
the dawn of the New Millennium.


Here it is!
**

Sado Monis ( Not The Millennium Man)



By Silviano C. Barbosa (email   [EMAIL PROTECTED])



Toronto, Canada   October 9, 1999



As the new Millennium almost sets in, we are bombarded with the titles, 
selections, nominations for the "Millennium Goan" or "Goan Man of the 
Century". It is true, there are illustrious names of Goans, past and 
present, of what they have achieved and/or of what they have done to the 
upliftment of Goa and Goans and the world.


But have'nt we  realized that some of them may not have been  there if it 
were not for us, the simple lay men and women,  the "sade monis" of Goa?


Ami te ami, kitem komi? (After all, are we any less than these Great Goans?[ 
Or do you think our grapes are sour? Chol soro kaddya!]). I say emphatically 
"No" . Haven't we gone through enduring historical events in Goa like "The 
Liberation"/"Invasion" of Goa in 1961, the critical "Opinion Poll" in 
sixties? We were there in Goa walking on foot and developing ourselves with 
limited resources going through life's aberrations when most others didn’t 
have to go through life like we did and progressed exponentially.


And don’t you think we deserve any mention in the Millenium celebrations? 
What happened to thousands of Freedom Fighters who gave their lives for our 
freedom? But don’t ever mention thousands of smugglers who took the easy way 
out and became politicians and have infiltrated the panchayats, the 
Legislative Assembly and the Parliament. We went to school and colleges with 
the hope of rising to the top only to find out there are millions like us in 
every hut and concrete house in Goa and not going anywhere. What is our 
future with all those BA/BSc? Now everyone is rich and lakhpoti and even 
koroddpati is not the word we use for the rich anymore.




Don't feel belittled when you read about the "The Great Goans of the 
Millennium". Don’t we wish we were included in it, but the list would be one 
million long. Surely these guys are smart, intelligent and talented. But I 
wish some of them were the real "niz" Goenkar. On the other hand Goans would 
call every famous Goan their "cousin" when they are famous, but I don’t see 
anyone recognizing their "beggar" cousins in Goa.




For me dear Goanneter, you are the Millennium Goenkar even though you will 
never make that list. We have to have a "putlo" (statue) of a "Sado Goenkar" 
 next to the "Bhau-Saheb" Banddodkar statue in Ponnje to reflect our true 
recognition of a true "niz" Goenkar, who has really contributed to Goa and 
Goans. After all without us, simple minded Goans who would make "them" 
special?


Just look at the list. I am sure most of these great men have great family 
background. But if an uneducated Goan labourer's son/daughter becomes an 
I.I.T. graduate or a Ph.D., man that is something! And today there are quite 
a few of those in Goa and in India, without even using any of the 
reservations. They should make that list! This NEO-LIST should be something 
to admire!


Oh by the way our richest Goan has not made that list yet?. Somewhere in 
Silicon Valley?

And who is the poorest Goan alive?

They also serve who only stand and wait!


Silviano Barbosa. Konkanni Bhas Uloi, Konkani Bautto Fuloi!

Do you think they would  include the real Great Goan Martyr, "Floriano Vaz " 
in that list? Do they know who he is? Floriano may not have been educated or 
of high-caste, but his only known achievement is a hero's death from a 
deadly bullet as our Konkanni Martyr during the Konkanni Chollvoll. Does he 
qualify?


This list should come from all walks of life!(Arts, culture, science, music, 
songs, politics, education, journalism, social activism, freedom, 
spiritualism, Khell-Tiatro directors like Shempia Miguel, Kuddo Miguel, 
RoseFerns, Prince Jacob,(Arent' these great Goans at all? Why not?) 
classical Indian music, Goan cuisine, Champion chefs/inventors of Fenni, 
Champion chefs/Improvisors of chourissam and sorpotel (The Goan way)etc.


And how about our novelists like Reginaldo Fernandes and Bonaventure 
D'Pietro?



They also serve who only stand and wait!


Silviano Barbosa. Konkanni Bhas Uloi, Konkani Bautto Fuloi!

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[Goanet] Netiquette

[Vidyadhar Gadgil]

There is a disturbing trend that has emerged of late. When moderators of
a mailgroup like Goanet reject a message for some reason, senders
sometimes send the message directly to a large number of people on
Goanet. They cc it to all and sundry, and then those wanting to respond
click on 'Reply All' and the whole thing snowballs. As a result, inboxes
are flooded with mails people don't want.

This is definitely not on. If your message is rejected by mailgroup
moderators, you can take it up with them and not inflict your messages
on people anyway. It is easy to harvest email IDs from mailgroups and
then send them mail -- this practice is usually known as spamming.

If you want to have people receive your mail anyway, the least you can
do is set up your own mailgroup and invite people to join. If they do,
the mails they will then receive will no longer be unsolicited.

One exception here -- I think that when responding to a mail on a
mailgroup, it is okay to cc the person whose message you are responding
to. But best practice is to write to the mailgroup.

I hope people who are currently spamming (that is the kindest word I can
think of) will desist.

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[Goanet] GOACAN to observe Senior Citizens Civic & Consumer Rights Week

[Goacan]

-
Do GOACAN a favour, circulate this email to your
family members, relatives, neighbours and friends.
Help others be BETTER INFORMED,
The time is come for the people of Goa
to ORGANISE not AGONISE !!
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GOACAN to observe Senior Citizens Civic & Consumer Rights Week
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The Goa Civic and Consumer Action Network (GOACAN) will observe
Senior Citizens Civic & Consumer Rights Week from 6th to 12th December 2006
with a view to create awareness on the civic & consumer rights of 
senior citizens
at the Village, Taluka, District and State level.

During the week GOACAN will network with the village based Consumer Forums
to promote awareness & provide information on the Civic & Consumer Rights
of Senior Citizens in the local area.

GOACAN will highlight the salient points of the Consumer Protection Act 1986
and the role of the community in promotion and protection of the 
civic & consumer
rights of Senior Citizens.

During the week GOACAN will also promote the Senior Citizens Identity Card
issued by the Department of Social Welfare with a view to promote awareness
among senior citizens on their civic and consumer rights.

Consumer Forum volunteers will organise phone in's and visits to 
various Departments
and offices of other Govt. & Non Govt. organizations to inquire about 
the various
facilities available & procedures to be followed to achieve the civic 
and consumer
rights of senior citizens.

During the week consumer activists will also publicize the postal 
address, telephone
& fax numbers and email id of various authorities concerned with the 
care of senior
citizens such as the Department of Social Welfare, Provedoria, 
Directorate of Health
Services and the Goa Police.

Senior Citizens are requested to send copies of their suggestions / 
complaints on the
implementation of their civic and consumer rights by post to GOACAN 
Post Box 187,
Margao Goa 403 601 or by email to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> during this week.
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GOA CIVIC AND CONSUMER ACTION NETWORK
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promoting civic and consumer rights in Goa
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GOACAN Post Box 187 Margao, Goa 403 601
GOACAN Post Box 78   Mapusa, Goa 403 507
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Re: [Goanet] Home Is Where The Heart Is (2)

[Helga do Rosario Gomes]

Thankfully this riposte is not going to task my mind:
1) Why shouldn't they rush to elevate themselves in their careers? Isn't 
everyone doing that all over the world? They don't have the dole to fall 
back on or free medical benefits, just opportunities and chances at a half 
way decent education which they are grabbing. I wish the young people in my 
town of Boothbay whose school grabs all of my house tax had that kind of an 
ambition. You should have been lauding these kids who survive brain racking 
tests and brutal schedules without the luxury of cars, credit cards and 
laptops. How do they address issues  like global warming, sustainable 
development and alternate fuels if they don't have the kind of education 
that the NIO tries to give them?
2) And how do you know my colleagues are 'not doing anything?'
3) What correlation is there between by lenghty (sic) prose and my largesse? 
I could be doing both, neither or one or the other.
4) How do you know if I contribute to Goa Sudharop or not? Did you hack into 
Paypal?
5) Does giving to Goa Sudharop constitute the only charitable act that a 
Goan can undertake? Or the only meaningful one? Really George Pinto I could 
be accusing you of monopoly!
6) One watch does not make you a philanthropist who can throw (like a girl) 
stones at others - you need to try harder!


> And Helga, much as I admire your lenghty treatise on how Goa has a
> bright future with all your bright colleagues in the NIO and elsewhere
> rushing about to elevate themselves in their careers,
> I would admire even more your less lenghty but more effective donation
> to Goa Sudharop to do what your young colleagues are not doing -
> making Goa a better place, one person at a time.
>  


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[Goanet] INCREASED INTERNATIONAL AIR CONNECTIVITY FOR GOA

[Philip Thomas]

This is a historic development for Dabolim. The first non-Indian scheduled
international flights. Charter flights have been operating since long
(initiated interestingly by Condor itself). Wish we knew how many
international destinations are/will be served by charter and scheduled
flights combined. Hyderabad Begumpet, a civil enclave like Dabolim, has over
20 foreign destinations. Why is Dabolim lagging behind?




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[Goanet] Froilano de Mello in Damao?

[Bernado Colaco]

I wonder if any Goan knows the contribution of Dr.
Mello in Damao and his interaction with the peoples of
that place?

BC

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Dr Froilano de Mello (1877-1955) was a research
scientist of high
caliber, a successful professor, a literary man, and
an eloquent
impromptu speaker. He did remarkable work for
improving the health of
the malaria-endemic city of Old Goa by mapping the
entire area so as
to discover the source of malaria. By 1927, this work
was completed
and over 18,000 wells with stagnant water were
uncovered in the jungle
that had grown where Old Goa existed two centuries
earlier. He fought
valiant battles against TB and leprosy. He was hailed
as one of the
foremost leprologists.



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[Goanet] Shirodkar's operation

[Jesus Mario B. Fernandes]

Thought this might be useful and interesting.

As I browsing through the Chambers Dictionary (New Edition), I found a 
entry,  'Shirodkar's operation' in it which means " 'an operation in which 
the neck of the womb is closed with the suture to prevent miscarriage', (N V 
Shirodkar, 1900-71, Indian Obstretrician)'".

As the name couldnt have been anything but of Goan ethnicity, perhaps 
somebody could tell us more about him, to be included amongst Great Goans, 
if the case may be,--without alluding to his roots, low caste or otherwise, 
Shastikar or Bardezkar, Warriors or not, or anything that betrays a medieval 
mindset, a deeply rooted prejudice that projects narrow outdated ideas about 
one's origins.

J Mario  E Fernandes,
London.

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[Goanet] On Canonizing Goan Saints...

[CARMO DCRUZ]

Filomena,

Thanks for enlightening all of us on the issue of connonization in the 
Catholic Church. Its high time we have Goan Saints. Venerable Joseph Naik 
Vaz of Sancoale and Venerabe Angelo D'Souza of Anjuna who are the first 
inline among Goans should be cannnonized as soon as possible and we need 
lists and recommendations about who will be next  - perhaps Cardinal 
Valerian Gracias of Chinichinim/Navelim who rose from the lower castes to 
become India's first Cardinal in a caste-conscious Goan Catholic 
Society..

Instead of just yak-yaking on Goanet on dis and dat and othe non-significant 
issues, I think Goanetters should be focused on the single goal of getting 
the first Goan Saint connonized within the next year. There is a lot of 
pressure on Pope Benedict these days to canonize non-Europeans esp in view 
of the Islam issue, etc. where he even bent towards Mecca form Turkey and 
showed his you know what to the Vatican, etc. We need to make the most of 
the situation !

Best Regards,

Dr. Carmo D'Cruz
Indian Harbour Beach, Florida


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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 22:32:27 -0800 (PST)
From: Filomena Giese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Fr. Agnel Needs to Be Fastracked to Sainthood
-There  should be no European Bias!
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!"

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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

Dear Margaret,
I certainly sympathize with your being a secularist.
I have become not exactly a secularist but someone who
has gone beyond the confines of institutional
religion.
..
Canonizations are a sociological, public, and
political issue, not merely some free fall recognition
that someone is holy.

It requires proven public devotion to someone as a
saint, thus a kind of pressure from below. It is a
legal process that requires the services of a
?Postulator? or canon lawyer who collects data,
evidence, documentation of miracles etc. and presents
all this to the authorities at the Sacred Congregation
for the Causes of the Saints.  But the final
application or waiving of these rules and the decision
to canonize someone is by arbitrary decision from
above, by the Pope and the said Congregation.
Those who have been writing on Goanet that the process
of canonization is biased toward making mostly
European saints and that lobbying for Goan candidates
is one way of getting canonized saints are not far
wrong.

... and
asked them what they are going to do to get us a
canonized Goan saint after 500 years of devoted Goan
service to the Church. .

Filomena Saraswati Giese



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Re: [Goanet] Home Is Where The Heart Is/response to Richard

[Carvalho]

Dear Richard,

You are absolutely correct, the original saying is
"home is where the hearth is". Infact, hearth was
generally olde English for home. However, since
hearths have become few and far between, hearth has
been replaced by heart in the saying.  The hearth at
one time was considered the heart of the English home.
Hence the interchangeable use of the word hearth and
heart.

Take care and best regards,
selma

--- richard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi Roland,
> 
> I hope you dont mind if I correct that quote of
> yours. I think it should
> read "home is where the hearth is" unless you had
> deliberately modified it.
> Have a nice day!
> Richard
> 



 

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Re: [Goanet] The mess that is Goa

[Mario Goveia]

--- Helga do Rosario Gomes wrote:
>
> Hi Philomena,
> This is not a specific response to you but to the
> ongoing discussion "The mess that is Goa" which was 
> very disturbing for me not 'enlightening or
> entertaining' as it luckily was for you.
> 
Mario observes:
>
Helga,
Thanks for a fair and balanced exposition of this
issue.
>
In my never humble opinion, we don't hear your
reasoned commentary often enough, and we need to.
>
I grew up outside Goa, have only a vague memory of
what the Portophiles refer to as the "good old days",
and now enjoy Goa as I find it once a year and bask in
the rejuvenating warmth of friends and family.
>
My view is colored by my attitude that most glasses
that are in use are always somewhat half full rather
than half empty, and that things will always
eventually get better when a broad spectrum of private
decisionmaking is taking place rather than decisions
being made for everyone by a small cabal of ruling
elites.
>
While being part of a chaotic democratic republic, I
believe Goa is evolving more than devolving, as is the
rest of India.  Its bucolic charm is rapidly
disappearing and being replaced by something more
economically sustainable.  Goa is no more chaotic or
corrupt or messy or socially callous than any other
part of India.  Its most strident critics seem to live
elsewhere, as do I, but I choose instead to build it
up and provide as much moral and financial support as
I can, knowing that everyone involved, the locals as
well as those in the diaspora are all making
individual decisions they think will be in the best
interests of themselves and their families.
>
Everyone in the diaspora can do something positive for
Goa, each according to their means, from investing in
businesses or property before the "foreigners" buy it
all, to donating whatever they can to organizations
like Goa Sudharop or one of the several other worthy
charitable organizations where we know the money will
be wisely spent.
>



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Re: [Goanet] GREAT MEN OF GOA

[Frederick \"FN\" Noronha]

Check this too:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_from_Goa
FN

On 05/12/06, Alfred de Tavares <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dear Marcos, Paulo,
> Could you pls provide me the full list that has been, todate, compiled.
> Alfred
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Re: [Goanet] Tykes On Bikes

[Radhakrishnan Nair]

<>

Just curious, Gabe, were you treating your future wife's kid brother
as brother-in-law before you tied the knot? Was it also part of the
courtship?  After marriage, did the pain in your neck subside or
aggravate? Or shifted to some other unmentionable part?

Anyway, you did manage to impress your girl and win brownie points and
her hand in marriage, so what's the big deal about three penalty
points and a paltry fine?

Cheers,
RKN

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[Goanet] The Table in Ribandar

[Cecil Pinto]

Helga do Rosario Gomes wrote to Selma:
"From the time you were laid on that table in Ribandar?!!!"

Now I think Helga has misunderstood what Selma originally said. She claimed 
to have been delivered on this table in Ribandar, not laid. Eggs get laid, 
humans get delivered. Now Santosh's query regarding delivery takes another 
view. Could Santosh, considering his age, have delivered Selma's mother of 
Selma or did he deliver Selma of her child?

Deliver:
To give birth to: She delivered a baby boy this morning.
To assist (a woman) in giving birth: The doctor delivered her of twins.
To assist or aid in the birth of: The midwife delivered the baby.

The future of Goa depends on the answer to this cryptogram. Did Helga mean 
laid? Is Santosh insinuating that he could have delivered Selma or was 
there a mid-wife? How does Cornel fit in the picture? Would the delivery 
have it have been done more hygienically in Toronto, thus suggesting that 
Selma/Selma's mother loves her child less than Roland loves his children in 
Toronto?

I have an idea for a Semi-Fiction Documentary with the Table in Ribandar 
being central to the plot. Like the Da Vinci Code and the centrality of the 
painting of The Last Supper.

Cheers!

Cecil

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Re: [Goanet] Home Is Where The Heart Is

[Roland Francis]

You are quite right Richard and I do not mind at all.

The word indeed is HEARTH, but the author of that piece in the Daily
OM has deliberately replaced the word with heart because he is talking
of matters of the spirit and the mind, rather than of the bricks and
mortar home of which the hearth is a focal point.

Regards,
Roland.

On 12/4/06, richard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Roland,
>
> I hope you dont mind if I correct that quote of yours. I think it should
> read "home is where the hearth is" unless you had deliberately modified it.
> Have a nice day!
> Richard

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[Goanet] 3 new Konkani VCDs

[JoeGoaUk]

3 More new Konkani VCDs


VCD No 107
NO TIME by Socoro de Sta. Cruz
Konkani Play & songs
With Socoro De St.Cruz, his daughers Soni/Priyanka, Bab Andrew, Tony de 
ribandar, Jessie Dais,
Josephine, Anil pednekr, Mathew, Aniceteo, Gemma, Elvis, Carmin etc etc.
Rs.150 Nov.2006
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk/312301668/  see VCD cover

VCD No>108
HANV ANKVAR KITEAK URLA by Jack-e
With Anita, Anju, Pitush, Fernand, Eddison, Peter de Macazana, Jack-e etc 
Rs.150   Nov/2006
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VCD No. 109
KHOBRANK LAGON by Irinew D'Cruz/Balton's Production
With Antonete de Calangute, Rosy alvares, Jessica Comes, Janet Almeida, Baby 
Muriel, Mini
Mario, Lawry, Willy, Com. Augustin, Com. Selvy, Filip Almeida,Irineu etc etc
Rs.150   Nov/2006
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk/312301666/  see cover

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[Goanet] AICHEA DISAK CHINTOP - Dezembrachi 6vi, 2006!

[domnic fernandes]

Devachi zannvai ojeapanchi!  To dant nasleleank akrut dita ani kan 
nasleleank kanantlim.


(Strange is God’s wisdom!  He gives walnuts to the toothless, and earrings 
to the earless.)


Moi-mogan,

Domnic Fernandes
Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA

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Re: [Goanet] Does Francisc Newton Souza qualify as a 'Great Goan?'

[Frederick \"FN\" Noronha]

I liked VM's essay on his meeting with Francis Newton Souza in the
Jerry Pinto-edited ("Reflected in Water: Writings on Goa"). It's
called 'The Man Who Swallowed Goa Whole'. A quote: "Goans are savages,
they have no idea about the meaning of high art. I used to talk to
Goans about art but all they wanted to do was joke about adding an 'F'
and making it 'Fart'."

LOL! I think that deserves to be recorded on the Wikiquote page on Goa
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Re: [Goanet] Marathi Dec 2006

[Roland Francis]

Very good Madhu.

If Marathi were made popular in the Roman script for the Goan taste,
there would not have been this antagonism between proponents of the
two languages, Marathi and Konkani.

And my school Marathi teacher Mr Nabar (peace be upon him) would not
have had so many frustrations teaching me proper Marathi grammar which
by the time I had mastered, became time to start learning French.

Roland.

On 12/4/06, Madhukar N. Gogate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ===
> pannaashichi umar gaat'hali
> abhivaadan maj'a karu nakaa
> mich' vinavito haat j'od'uni,
> vaat' vaakd'i dharu nakaa.
>
> goragaribaa chhal'u nakaa
> pind'a phukaach'e gil'u nakaa
> gun'ijanaanvar j'al'u nakaa.
>
> maan'us mhan'je pashu nase
> he jaachaa rhudayaat t'hase
> naranaaraayan' toch' ase.
>
> -- kavi (Poet) Kusumagraj
> --
> pun'e yethil kaahi shidhaa-patrikaa (pustikaa)
> paahilyaa... tyaamadhe antim paanaavar varil
> pankti aahet... shaasanaachi hi ek rasikataa.
> --
> devanaagarit  (ch j jh ) yaanchi duheri dhvani
> chinhe naahit... roman lipit (ch j  jh), (ch' j' z)
> aahet... mhan'un (jyaachyaa) aivaji (jaachaa).
> --
> Test -Translate into Marathi in Roman script.
> Many poets have enriched literature.
> ---
> Try. One answer is at end.
> ---
> khup kavini saahitya sampanna kele aahe.

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Re: [Goanet] Fr. Agnel Needs to Be Fastracked to Sainthood -There should be no European Bias!

[Mario Goveia]

--- Filomena Giese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hopefully, our Goan Church and lay leaders and
> august Jesuit alumni did more than wine and dine the
> head of the Jesuits, Fr. Kolvenbach, and the
> Cardinal (Poupard?) who heads the Catholic Culture 
> centers, and asked them what they are going to do 
> to get us a canonized Goan saint after 500 years of 
> devoted Goan service to the Church. These are the 
> people that can move a cause in Rome.
> 
Mario adds:
>
Filomena,
I don't think anyone - Mother Theresa would be a rare
modern exception - should be fast-tracked to
sainthood, but Fr. Agnelo's case has been at a pace
that can hardly be described as "fast", in fact it can
best be described as painfully "slow-tracked", if it
is moving at all.
>
Since Fr. Agnelo D'Souza was not a Jesuit I'm not sure
whether Fr. Kolvenbach would be much interested.
>
However, just in case you didn't know, one of the most
influential administrators at the Vatican for at least
the last 25 years has been Indian Cardinal
Lourdaswamy, who, I believe, also had some role in the
decision-making process for sainthood.
> 
He is now old and virtually, if not actually, retired
and indisposed, but we now have Cardinal Ivan Dias who
serves at the vatican in some capacity.
>
 

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Re: [Goanet] **LORNA - CHILLIN' FOR GOA**

[George Pinto]

--- Francis Rodrigues <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  George reported a surge in Goa Sudharop raffle sales!


Dear Francis,

Yes, sales jumped in the last 24 hours - from 112 tickets to 153 tickets. Thank 
you and others
like Roland for their support & encouraging others to buy tickers. We hope the 
Goan community will
help us meet our goal of 200 tickets in  the next few days. With 26 outstanding 
prizes waiting to
be won, the odds are high of winning a prize.

You can buy a raffle ticket using the PAYPAL option on the Goa Sudharop website
(www.goasudharop.org) from anywhere in the world and  support a good Goan 
cause. You don't need to
have a PAYPAL account to use PAYPAL, a credit card is all it takes. Please note 
that Goa Sudharop
does not receive or keep any credit card information which is received and 
maintained
confidentially and securely by PAYPAL.

Raffle tickets are only US $10.00 each.

The prizes are as follows:
1) A Swiss Tissot 18k Gold "Carmel" Gents wrist watch, worth US$300.00 (donated
by Roland Francis). See 
http://www.tissot.ch/index.php1mod_collection/colid_0008/famid_5019
2) US$200.00 (donated by Goa-Netters Associations, Toronto - GNAT)
3) US$100.00 (donated by anonymous donor #1)
4) US$100.00 (donated by anonymous donor #1)
5) US$100.00 (donated by anonymous donor #1)
6) US$100.00 (donated by anonymous donor #1)
7) US$100.00 (donated by anonymous donor #1)
8) US$50.00 (donated by anonymous donor #2)
9) US$50.00 (donated by anonymous donor #3)
10) One Super Duper Christmas Package from EXPRESSIONS (donated by Beatrice & 
Cecil Pinto). See
http://www.goa-world.com/expressions/xmas/
11) A copy of the novel, "The Sixth Night" by Silviano C. Barbosa (donated by 
the author). See
http://ca.geocities.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
12) A copy of the novel, "Penance" by Ben Antao (donated by the author). See
http://www.colaco.net/1/leitaoAntaoPenance.htm
13) Images of Goa (1990), a memoir of my childhood experiences in Velim and 
Margao during the last
20 years of the Portuguese rule (1943-1963)(donated by the author).
14. Goa A Rediscovery (2004), a travelogue of my experiences during a visit to 
Goa in 2004
(donated by the author).
15. Blood & Nemesis (2005), a novel about Goa's freedom struggle from the 
Portuguese rule set in
Goa covering the period 1946-1962 (donated by the author).
16) A copy of the novel, "Tivolem" by Victor Rangel-Ribeiro (donated by the 
author). See
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/1571310193/ref=cm_cr_dp_pt/103\
-7972429-5541448?ie=UTF8&n=283155&s=books
17) A copy 10 copy of the novel, "Tivolem" by Victor Rangel-Ribeiro (donated by 
the author).
18) A copy 10 copy of the novel, "Tivolem" by Victor Rangel-Ribeiro (donated by 
the author).
19) A copy 10 copy of the novel, "Tivolem" by Victor Rangel-Ribeiro (donated by 
the author).
20) A copy 10 copy of the novel, "Tivolem" by Victor Rangel-Ribeiro (donated by 
the author).
21) A copy 10 copy of the novel, "Tivolem" by Victor Rangel-Ribeiro (donated by 
the author).
22) A copy 10 copy of the novel, "Tivolem" by Victor Rangel-Ribeiro (donated by 
the author).
23) A copy 10 copy of the novel, "Tivolem" by Victor Rangel-Ribeiro (donated by 
the author).
24) A copy 10 copy of the novel, "Tivolem" by Victor Rangel-Ribeiro (donated by 
the author).
25) A copy 10 copy of the novel, "Tivolem" by Victor Rangel-Ribeiro (donated by 
the author).
26) Christmas package which includes 1.5 lb Fruit Cake, 1 lb Bebinca, 1 lb 
Bhatika & 1 dozen
Bolihnos. Donated by Roy Furtado (USA), see item at http://www.goanfoods.com.

The prizes will be mailed (without any fees) to anywhere in the world. The only 
exceptions are the
Christmas package (item #10 above) which is deliverable only in Goa and 
Christmas package (item
#26 above) which is deliverable only in the USA.

For tickets, please email Melanie Moniz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and let her know 
how many you are
buying and also send your cheque/money order made payable to: "GOA SUDHAROP", 
and mail to:
Melanie M. Moniz, 557 Banyan Circle Walnut Creek, CA, 94598, USA.

Or you can visit the Goa Sudharop website at www.goasudharop.org and click on 
the Paypal option.
Indicate you are buying tickets for the Raffle (tickets $10 each). Even if you 
are using the
Paypal option, email Melanie Moniz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and let her know how 
many you are
buying so she can confirm your tickets and payment.

The raffle draw will take place in Toronto on Friday, 15th December, 2006. At 
least four Goans
will be present and the entire draw will be recorded (and available on DVD).

The prize winners will be announced on December 16th. The prizes will be sent 
to he winners as
soon as instructions are received on how they want their prize delivered. We 
need to receive
payment for the tickets before Wednesday, 13th December. Please remember to act 
as soon as you
can. We will be sending updates on a regular basis between now and December 
13th.

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[Goanet] Another Video Clip: Rosy Alvares singing 'Sopnam'

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Rosy Alvares singing 'sopnam' at IFFI goa

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[Goanet] Goa news for December 6, 2006

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Goa News from Yahoo! News and Goanet.org

Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories.


*** Al-Qaeda threat looms over Goa (NDTV)

A few weeks ago the Union Home Ministry issued a terror alert
warning of Bali-like bombing in Goa, and the danger it seems is
far from over.

http://www.ndtv.com/morenews/showmorestory.asp?category=National&slug=Al-Qaeda
threat looms over Goa&id=97414


*** Tourism, development seen as a threat to Goa (Mail and
Guardian)

The once low-budget tourist haven of Goa is facing a crisis,
environmentalists say, as developers force up land prices and a
tourism boom threatens the delicate coastal ecology.

http://www.mg.co.za/articlePage.aspx?articleid=292198&area=/insight/insight__escape/


*** Vidarbha boys overpower Goa by ten wickets
(ThatsCricket.com)

Inspired bowling spells by left-arm spinner Madhusudan Acarya
(4 for 52) and medium-pacer Sandeep Singh (3 for 64) enabled
Vidarbha to register an emphatic 10-wicket victory over Goa on
the last day of the four-day Ranji Plate match played here at
MCC ground today.

http://thatscricket.oneindia.in/news/2006/12/04/0412vidarbha-goa-ranjid4.html


*** Israel to open drug rehabilitation centre in Goa (New
Kerala)

Jerusalem, Dec 3: Israel will open a drug rehabilitation centre
in Goa to provide treatment to its young "backpackers" who abuse
drugs during their stay in India, officials here said.

http://www.newkerala.com/news4.php?action=fullnews&id=60779


*** No fresh security alert in Goa (New Kerala)

Panaji, Dec 4: The police in Goa tonight said a general
security alert remained in force in the state in view of the
peak tourist season and in the backdrop of possible terror
threat from Al Qaeda.

http://www.newkerala.com/news4.php?action=fullnews&id=61535


*** Francis Xavier's annual feast celebrated (New Kerala)

Panaji, Dec 4: Goa's patron saint Francis Xavier's annual feast
was celebrated today amidst religious prayers and masses at old
Goa, nine kms from here.

http://www.newkerala.com/news4.php?action=fullnews&id=61575


*** GPCC not in favour of garbage treatment plant at Baiguinim
(Navhind Times)

Panaji, Dec 5: The executive committee of the Goa Pradesh
Congress Committee today unanimously resolved to urge the state
government to drop acquisition of land at Baiguinim for location
of waste treatment plant.

http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=120637


*** Mahadayi dispute: Govt asked to send revised request for
tribunal (Navhind Times)

Panaji, Dec 5: The Union Minister State for Water Resources, Mr
Jayprakash Narayan Yadav in a written reply today informed the
Goa Rajya Sabha Member of Parliament, Mr Shantaram Naik that
the Water Resource Ministry has requested the Goa government to
send a revised request for constituting a tribunal for resolving
Mahadayi river water dispute.

http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=120638


*** Come what may, next IFFI will be in Goa: Rane (Navhind
Times)

Panaji, Dec 2: The Chief Minister, Mr Pratapsingh Rane today
said that some people are not comfortable because the
International Film Festival of India is being held in Goa, but
come what may, Goa is going to have the film festival, next
year.

http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=12039


*** India Goa's iron ore exports to China jump (Reuters via
Yahoo! Asia News)

MUMBAI, Dec 5 (Reuters) - Iron ore exports to China from
India's western state of Goa leapt 76.6 percent to 8.07 million
tonnes during April to October, an industry body said on
Tuesday, helped by rising freight costs from rival Brazil.

http://asia.news.yahoo.com/061205/3/2twls.html


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[Goanet] Bhakti to attempt second WGM Norm in National 'A'!

[Goanet Sports]

Commonwealth Under 18 Gold Medallist and Woman FIDE Master Bhakti Kulkarni 
(ELO 2062) will attempt to secure her second Woman Grandmaster Norm in the 
33rd National 'A' Women's Championship to be held in Chennai from the 6th to 
the 16th of December. Incidentally, 14 year old Bhakti is the first ever 
Goan to play in this prestigious event and the stakes are even higher after 
she secured her first WGM norm in the recently concluded Commonwealth Chess 
Championship in Mumbai. Bhakti, who also won the Asian Under 14 title in 
Teheran earlier this year,  will hope to repeat her fine performance and get 
her second of the needed three Norms to help her obtain the much coveted 
Woman Grandmaster title.

The field is indeed very strong and there are no less than eight WGMs in the 
lineup of 33 players. Among them is S. Vijayalakshmi (ELO 2426),  last 
year's winner Swati Ghate (ELO 2385), Nisha Mohota (ELO 2270), R. Aarthie 
(ELO 2228), S. Meenakshi (ELO 2347), Eesha Karavade (ELO 2321), D. Harika 
(ELO 2353) and Tania Sachdev (ELO 2383). There will also be strong 
participation of Bhakti's contemporaries in this event including WIM and 
Asian Under 16 Gold Medallist P. Lakshmi Sahiti (ELO 2136), WFM and Asian 
Under 12 Gold Medallist Padmini Rout (ELO 2188)  and Commonwealth Under 16 
Gold Medallist Pon. N. Krithika (ELO 2031). If Bhakti can finish in the top 
6, she will represent the country in many International events in 2007 so 
this is a golden opportunity for her.

Bhakti's coach India's only Dronacharya Awardee Raghunandan Gokhale has 
expressed quiet confidence about Bhakti's chances. "She has to continue the 
form she displayed in the Commonwealth", he stated, adding that "a second 
WGM norm is indeed a possibility".

GSCA President Sameer A. Salgaocar and Secretary Suhas Asnodkar have also 
wished Bhakti all the success in the upcoming event. 


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[Goanet] Dubai Job Vacancies

[George Pinto]

FYI - reply directly to Charifa BOUZROUD at [EMAIL PROTECTED]

***

From: Charifa BOUZROUD [:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Dear all, 

We are currently looking to recruit candidates for the following positions in 
GDC: 

· WEB-Team Lead (Ref: WTL): 
6-8 years experience as senior level programmer/analyst/leader. Knowledge of 
database design, ASP,
.NET, ASP.NET Framework 2.0, 1.1 and C#. Experience building Web applications 
using Microsoft
technologies. Excellent communication skills and goal orientated personality. 

· Microsoft.Net Architect (Ref: MNA): 
4-6 years web portal development and minimum 4 years experience in ASP.NET, 
ASP.NET Framework 2.0,
1.1 and C#. Very good PL/SQL programming and data modeling skills is essential. 
MCSD in .NET is
preferred. Exposure to Share point portal server development will be an 
advantage.

Oracle DBA Architect (Ref: ODA): 
6-8 years of extensive experience in SDLC, database-modeling and architecture 
in Oracle 8/9i
(including 9iAS), very good PL/SQL programming, query optimization and data 
modeling skills,
knowledge of UNIX AIX and should have Oracle Certification (DBA track) 

Core DBA (Ref: CDB): 
4-5 years of experience in Oracle database administration. Able to handle 24x7 
Production
databases and troubleshoot day to day issues. Extensive experience in 
performance tuning, Unix
Platforms and Shell Scripts is required. Experience on Oracle AS application 
server and
development framework preferred. 

· DBA Oracle Apps (Ref: DOA): 
2+ years of experience in Oracle 11.5.8 Application, Maintenance, Patching & 
Upgrades. Patch
Management. Cloning. Preferably with Troubleshooting, Unix, AIX with Shell 
scripting Knowledge.
Experience in database and application performance tuning is required.

· EDI / AMTRIX Application Developer (Ref: EDI): 
2-4 years of extensive experience in Data transfer / protocols technologies: 
EDI, FTP, HTTP and
HTTPS, Good Oracle Technologies knowledge (Forms, Reports, PL/SQL). OCP (Dev 
Track) is required.

· Quality Assurance Analyst (Ref: QAA): 
2-4 years experience in the area of software quality assurance (process 
definition and
implementation). 

Conversant with SDLC, project management, software quality framework (processes 
and procedures).
Exposure to SEI CMM / CMMI Model, ISO Quality Standards preferred. 

· Release Engineer (Ref: REL):
2-5 years experience in a software environment in similar role and/or designing 
and maintaining
commercial software applications. Trouble-shooting required, scripting 
knowledge (UNIX, Make files
are preferred). Knowledge in Software Configuration Management is required. 
Knowledge in products
such as Dimensions, Rational ClearCase is preferred. Exposure to CMMI model is 
preferred. 

If you are interested, or if you know any interested candidates who are 
matching the above
qualification & experience criteria, please e-mail an updated resume with Ref 
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Regards,

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Re: [Goanet] WORLD AIDS DAY

[Roland Francis]

Bonny, I totally agree with you that all help that we can give should
be extended to HIV and AIDS sufferers in Goa irrespective of
background.

A society is only as strong as it's weakest links and our HIV/AIDS
affected brethren and our brethren who are physically and mentally
challenged should hold a special place in our hearts.
I hope that the next year for Goa Sudharop will be the year of the
AIDS affected and the year after that the year of the physically and
mentally challenged.

They will have my full support.
Roland.

On 12/4/06, Bonefacio Lopes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What does WORLD AIDS DAY mean to all of us? I have not seen any interesting
> article or any contribution of any kind  on the Goa net about this day, how
> it was commemorate? By way of rallies, creating awareness, distributing
> leaflets by educating the educated and ignorant, but touching the lives of
> those who have been infected and remembering those near and dear ones whom
> we have lost.
>
> A treat to those infected in any form by  vocal groups, social activists,
> politicians, Govt, NGO's , church and expressing love would be remembered
> not only by those infected but we would be blessed by the Creator.
>
> We are fortunate to witness this World Aids Day, should it be an
> IFFI,cultural event,elections,etc etc we are preparing for it a year in
> advance but what about a day like this just comes and goes like a silent
> wind. We only get up from our sleep when our kids succumb to such dreadful
> diseases because we did not educate them on this disease.
>
> When i read a lot of mudslinging articles on the net , it pains to see that
> such efforts could be used for such WORLD AIDS DAYS not for mudslinging but
> for building our youth for a better tommorrow.
>
> Lopes

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Re: [Goanet] Goanet Digest, Vol 1, Issue 584

[Bernado Colaco]

God does it not help having a Portuguese girlfriend?
Spelling of vindalho and not vindaloo, first time
right on Goanet!

BC

-



While Aristo has to be content with  Sambar Thalis,
Chinese Fast Food 
and McDonalds in Bangalore(until he gets married, he
thinks), I am 
going to enjoy a dinner of Mutton Xacuti tonight or
maybe a Pork 
Vindalho



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[Goanet] Landlubbers?

[Philip Thomas]

NAVHIND TIMES of Dec 3 had this item in its report about the press
conference of the Rear Admiral of  Goa (caps mine).

<"..the erstwhile Portuguese Garrison which included
land of DABOLIM, Major Bunder Jetty, the area at Chicalim where we presently
have the Naval Armament Depot, the Mangor and Alpaqures hills and all were
taken over by the Government of India (since Goa was the Union Territory
then). And this entire Garrison was later handed over to Navy by the
Government of India for the custody and establishment of a Naval Area.["]>

The area covered by Dabolim has been officially put at nearly 1700 acres.
What do all the other areas listed above add up to?  Does anybody know? And
while we are on the subject what exactly does the Navy use the port
facilities for? Nobody seems to say anything about the Navy in mormugao or
whatever (except for vague references to exercises with friendly navies
'somewhere off the coast of Goa' etc)


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Re: [Goanet] Great Men Of Goa

[Frederick \"FN\" Noronha]

An old article (at the risk of repetition) ... based on the book by Dr
Clement Vaz. --FN

http://www.geocities.com/athens/forum/1503/eminent-goans.html
GOANS ARE ALL OVER THE WORLD, DOING ALL KINDS OF THINGS

By Frederick Noronha

Some helped build the steel frame of British colonialism. Others spent
their lives fighting alongside their Black brethren against British
and other foreign rule in East Africa. Some were cardinals, while
others were Free Masons. From the tiny region of Goa came forth
world-class men (and women) of medicine, super- cops, scientists and
sculptors. And more. If you thought Goan achievers were just in a
field or two, then check up their impressive list of achievements.
There are names that pop out from the world of music, the military,
economists, educationists, engineers, and even governors and
ambassadors.

This becomes clear in a recently-published book by octogenarian Dr.
J.Clement Vaz. At 82, and despite living outside Goa for long, Vaz
remains a Goaphile at heart, and tackles the task with keenness.
Fortunately, author Vaz has undertaken this labour of love -- most
books on Goa hardly rake in profits -- at a suitable point of time.
Vaz's life spans colonial and post-colonial Goa. Had he not written
it, many of these personalities would have been unknown to or
forgotten by the generation of youngsters which don't have much
contact with the past and can't read Portuguese either. Vaz has come
up with an impressive listing.

Early on, Goa gained a plethora of big names amidst the Catholic
religious. There were two Cardinals -- Valerian Gracias in Bombay and
Joseph Cordeiro of Pakistan -- and two Apolostic Nuncios. Eight
archbishops of Goan origin have served in Bhopal, Delhi, Calcutta,
Nagpur, and Agra, besides Goa itself. Vaz lists over three dozen
bishops too, the latest being Filipe Nery Ferrao, who was consecrated
auxiliary bishop of Goa in 1994. Later, people from this region went
to excel in many other fields.

Great men of science also have the made-in-Goa stamp on them.

One of India's pioneer of the food-irradiation programme was Dr Norman
Lewis of Goa. Other prominent men of science included medical
practitioner Emidio Afonso, who was also a mini-sculptor, a violinist
or an ingenious mechanic. Just out of his teens, he reconstructed with
the simplest available material a simplified version of Sir J C Bose's
crescograph, an instrument for measuring the sensitivity of plants.
It was a Goan who discovered protozoa, parasites, microbes and viruses
many of which bear the Latin name given by him followed by the name
"de Mello" as the discoverer.
Dr Froilano de Mello (1877-1955) was a research scientist of high
caliber, a successful professor, a literary man, and an eloquent
impromptu speaker. He did remarkable work for improving the health of
the malaria-endemic city of Old Goa by mapping the entire area so as
to discover the source of malaria. By 1927, this work was completed
and over 18,000 wells with stagnant water were uncovered in the jungle
that had grown where Old Goa existed two centuries earlier. He fought
valiant battles against TB and leprosy. He was hailed as one of the
foremost leprologists.
Datta V. Naik (50), known as Kumar to his friends, is a product of St.
Xavier's Mapusa who showed that youngsters given the opportunities in
Goa can even receive a Certificate of Recognition from the US National
Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA).
Remember the Bunsen burner from your chemistry lab? It was Goan
scientist Agostinho Vincente Lourence (b.1862) who went to Germany to
work under the famous chemist Bunsen. There's a bust of Lourence in
the Lisbon Academy of Science, which stands besides Lavoisier and
others. There's also a bust at the Municipal Garden in Margao. Abbe
Faria's achievements in hypnotism are also too well known.

Goa threw up renowned Indologists and were experts in studying coins.
one such illustrious figure was Damodar Dharmanand Kossambi
(1907-1966).

Goa's supercops include the well-known Julio Francis Ribeiro, later
ambassador to Romania. John Lobo (b.1921) was the Director of India's
Central Bureau of Investigation. He introduced innovative features in
the Bombay police, including its data processing unit, dog-squad,
conviction index bureau and the like. He was Chief Security Liaison
Officer to two prime ministers.
Caejetan Joseph Vincent Miranda of Loutolim was director of the
Anti-Corruption Bureau. "During his scintillating tenure of three
years, the ACB struck terror into the hearts of smugglers, and as a
result of his successful anti-smuggling drive, the government
exchequer was substantially enriched," says Vaz.
Big names from Goa in the military include Air Marshal Terence Joseph
de Sa (b.1928) of Sangolda, Major General Antonio Caetano da Silva
(b.1930), Major Gen. Eustace D'Souza, Lt. Gen. F.T.Dias of Velcao, Lt.
Gen.S.L.Menezes of Sangolda, Lt.Gen Eric Alexander Vas of Saligao, Gen
Sunit Francis Rodrigues of Curtorim, who rose to

[Goanet] AICHEA DISAK CHINTOP - Dezembrachi 5vi, 2006!

[domnic fernandes]

Mojea bapaichim bara xetam ani hanv bhik magon khatam.

(Although my father is a landlord, I am destined to be a beggar.)

Moi-mogan,

Domnic Fernandes
Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA

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[Goanet] Jazzing up 'night life'

[Philip Thomas]

One of the standard arguments in the Dabolim debate is the non-use of night
operating hours by airlines. HERALD (Dec 3) had a report headlined "No
takers for Dabolim night operations". NAVHIND TIMES of the same date said
the following: "He also informed that the navy is operating 24 hours and has
upgraded its system'If the civil aviations stretch their operations
during night times than there would be no confusion at the Dabolim airport,'
added Rear Admiral Vadgaokar."

I myself have addressed this issue on goanet (Aug 17) in the following vein:
< Dabolimis supposedly open to night operations for which there are no
takers according to the Navy. This may simply be because scheduled
international flights are disallowed at Dabolim airport though chartered
flights are allowed. Hence only domestic airlines can use Dabolim at night.
Since existing airlines are unwilling to change their schedules for Goa, we
may have to wait for a new airline which is geared specifically to night
flights to operate out of Dabolim. For this to happen, changes may have to
be effected not only in AAI, but also in taxi services and in hotel
check-in/check out times. All this might take time.>

One obvious solution which no one seems to be considering is for the NAVY to
use the night hours (6:30 pm to 6:30 am) for its flight training activities.
What's sauce for the goose should be sauce for the gander, right? No
staffing, transport and coordination problems in this option. And many more
hours at the navy's disposal to hone its pilots' Sea Harrier and helicopter
flying skills. A real win-win solution. What say?


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[Goanet] looking for family

[Mark & Sandy Felsher]

Dear Sir, or Madam, or who ever gets this,



If I have not sent this to the best place could you please forward it to 
where you think best.



My name is Mark Felsher and I and my family live in the USA. Six years ago 
we adopted a nine year old boy from an orphanage in New Deli. He has been 
able to recall a number of events from his early childhood and we have 
reason to believe that he may have lived in the Goa - Karnatika area from 
the time he was born until he was about five years old.



His mother, father and grandfather all died in about 1996. He does not know 
anything about his grandmother or his younger sister. His name is now 
Ambrish and he was born in about 1991. He does not think this was his name 
when he was growing up and we do not know any other family names, but we do 
have a few stories that might be remembered by someone there.



In about 1996 his mother was working in a mining pit, collecting some kind 
of small stones from brown dirt (we think they were diamonds), when a 
digging machine with rubber tires and a scoop with teeth on the front rolled 
into the pit where she was working and struck her from behind and killed 
her. There was no driver on the machine. Shortly after that she was cremated 
on a wood raft on a river. His mother had also been a cook for the workers 
in the mine. At that time the mine had two pits.



Ambrish's father was a taxi driver. He drove a yellow and black taxi, (three 
wheels). I do not know if there is a place that would have records of  taxi 
drivers who died in about 1996 in that area.



 Ambrish's mother died first, then his father, then his grandfather. He last 
saw his younger sister as the two of them were crossing a busy street and 
she fell in front of a car that ran over her leg. She was quickly taken away 
in another car.



Here are some other clues that we have;



Ambrish remembers walking to a river where the water tasted salty.



He remembers white (European looking) people living in the area and they 
spoke the same language as he did; probably Cannada.



He could walk to his grandparents house in several hours and they lived not 
too far from a railroad station.



In about 1995 Ambrish spent some time unconscious, in a hospital, because 
his father hit him very hard, on the head, with a metal pipe.



They lived a short walk from the diamond mine.



We have been looking at pictures of the Goa - Karnatika area on the internet 
and he has recognized three pictures:



He recognized a park in Mangalore where he went with his grandparents. He 
believes they took the train.



He recognized a picture from Hampi and believes his father drove the family 
there in the taxi



He recognized a dirt road with businesses, in or near Karwar. He believes 
that he, his mother and sister walked there, but only once.



At about the age of five Ambrish got lost on the trains and wound up in 
Deli.



If you can think of any way we can use any of these clues to try and find 
out who Ambrish's parents were we would be very greatful!





Thank you,



Mark Felsher

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Re: [Goanet] Home Is Where The Heart Is (2)

[Roland Francis]

Mario,
How about walking the talk?

Instead of  "lend my financial and moral support to the local Goans"
by which you mean buying a flat for yourself in Goa for your own
selfish and narrow purposes and not out of some well-meaning plan to
help Goa - how about putting some green into the hands of Goa Sudharop
who can do what you cannot?

I am fed up of Goans talking and talking but when it comes time to
merely write even a small check or even part with 10 dollars, they
suddenly remember they have something better and grander to do for Goa
which translated into Konkani means nothing!

Shame on those Goans.

And Helga, much as I admire your lenghty treatise on how Goa has a
bright future with all your bright colleagues in the NIO and elsewhere
rushing about to elevate themselves in their careers,
I would admire even more your less lenghty but more effective donation
to Goa Sudharop to do what your young colleagues are not doing -
making Goa a better place, one person at a time.

Regards,
Roland.

> Mario observes:
> >
> Roland,
> >
>
> Unlike you, I prefer to defer to those who live there
> and lend my moral and financial support to the local
> Goans rether than presume to lecture them on what they
> ought to be doing.

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[Goanet] **LORNA - CHILLIN' FOR GOA**

[Francis Rodrigues]

Folks,
My sincere apologies for the *Ring for Goa* multiple
posting - hitting the wrong despatch made it replicate!

On the plus side, the beautiful Melanie and debonair
George reported a surge in Goa Sudharop raffle sales!
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By way of making it up to you, here's a gorgeous
stunner from way-back-when. Go back almost 35
yearsCalangute beach at the height of summer,
hot, sultry, Matisse skies, tangy scentsand then,
over the PA system, suddenly this smoky, raw, siren
voice volcanically engulfs the milling thousands - Lorna !!!

Well, here she is again -  just last week - resurrected and
still numbingly electrifying. And if you shed a nostalgic
tear at the end, remember another little 'Lorna' in Goa
today, a-Lorn-e and for-Lorn too...Goa Sudharop is making
all the difference. Drop them a line/get a couple of tickets.
For Lorna..

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[Goanet] WORLD AIDS DAY

[domnic fernandes]

Dear Bonefacio,

Please read Lino Dourado's "Aitaracheo Kaskutleo: Mog Khorcho, Punn 
Samballun Khorcho" of last Sunday, December 2, 2006.

http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2006-December/051213.html

Lino:  Could you please translate the article in English for the benefit of 
all?  Thank you.

Moi-mogan,

Domnic Fernandes
Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA

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What does WORLD AIDS DAY mean to all of us? I have not seen any interesting
article or any contribution of any kind  on the Goa net about this day, how
it was commemorate? By way of rallies, creating awareness, distributing
leaflets by educating the educated and ignorant, but touching the lives of
those who have been infected and remembering those near and dear ones whom
we have lost.

A treat to those infected in any form by  vocal groups, social activists,
politicians, Govt, NGO's , church and expressing love would be remembered
not only by those infected but we would be blessed by the Creator.

We are fortunate to witness this World Aids Day, should it be an
IFFI,cultural event,elections,etc etc we are preparing for it a year in
advance but what about a day like this just comes and goes like a silent
wind. We only get up from our sleep when our kids succumb to such dreadful
diseases because we did not educate them on this disease.

When i read a lot of mudslinging articles on the net , it pains to see that
such efforts could be used for such WORLD AIDS DAYS not for mudslinging but
for building our youth for a better tommorrow.

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[Goanet] Everything is expensive...

[JoeGoaUk]

Avoi Kituu Maroguu

Everything is expensive
No matter how cheap it is, we still say it is expensive and what more ? That 
which is 'FREE'
is also expensive.

Or else, you tell me, how much does it cost just to say 'thank you' or 'please' 
or 'sorry' ?

That's typical Goans (includes me).

Manners make the man (& woman)

Come on, get your act together..

==
Next batch starting on Monday the 17th Dec.
Let's learn to be grateful.
Let's learn to appreciate
Let's lean to be polite
Let's learn  some manners.

It's one month certificate course (affiliated to Oxford University).
It's for the grown-ups and it's FREE (funded by NGO/NRG)
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Re: [Goanet] The mess that is a Goan argument

[Sunith D Velho]

Roland Quotes:
" Wherever You Are Home Is Where The Heart Is"

Sunith responds:
Didn't this thread start with how you had finally achieved closure and 
were now happy that you chose to settle in Canada? Don't think this 
quote is particulalrly appropriate and you are kind of trampling over 
your own point.

Maybe a little less watching "Borat" and more thinking before posting 
might help with your arguments. A little more thought and you could 
even overcome the pettiness your debate is generating into.

Sunith



Roland quotes me and other netters completely out of context(as below):

With all this discussion about living in Toledo and buying flats in 
Goa, drinking Canadian beer  with  shouts of "Canada rocks!", studying 
in England and
returning to Goa to make changes - or not (as in the film BORAT) and 
accusing people of fleeing from Goa "their own their native land.

They are also surely not interested in hearing little boys exclaim in 
wonderment: In France they treat you rudely if you don't speak French.




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[Goanet] Numbers Game

[Philip Thomas]

There seems to be a numbers game of sorts in connection with the money put
in by the Navy into Dabolim  Here is the latest  salvo as reported by
NAVHIND TIMES (Dec 3):  Meanwhile HERALD of the same date notes:  So far so good.

Interestingly just a few months ago I myself heard the hon Rear Admiral on
TV saying that the Navy had sunk Rs 75 THOUSAND crore into Dabolim. On
goanet  I had observed at the time that this was way above the Rs 25
THOUSAND crores estimated earlier in a goanet post in late 2004. Now we have
Rs 75 crores and Rs 1000 crores which adds up to, not 75,000, but Rs 1075
crores (only).

How does one explain the disparity in numbers. If we cant get facts right at
Dabolim, how can we expect facts to prevail over pre-conceived notions in
Goa?


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Re: [Goanet] re; Goans and East Indians of Bandra.

[Edward Verdes]

Mumbai Goans serve san'nam/pao...East Indians serve 'fugeas'/kaddak pao.
Mumbai Goans prefer 'Indian Pork'.East Indians prefer 'English Pork'
Mumbai Goans have ancestral homes in Goa...East Indians have theirs in
"Uttan/Vasai
Mumbai goans sing 'Undra Mojea Mama'...East Indians sing...'Golleant sankli
soneachi'
Mumbai Goans say 'Cheers' with Feni...East Indians say Cheers with
'Khimet(elaichi home made brew)/tarimari (toddy):)

Both attend the 'Mumboikar Tiatr'...and speak a little of Konkani...that is
why
tiatrists like Late Bab Peter, Ophelia, Antonette..sing Marathi konkani
songs..:)

Dev borem Korum
Edward Verdes


> On 15/11/06, Eugene Correia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Mario says:
> > I KNOW from my own friends and
> > experiences that East Indians are indistinguishable
> > from Goan and Mangalorean Catholics.
> > --
> > I beg to differ. All three communities have
> > "distinguishable" traits and characteristics.
>
> Comment: I concur; Goans do not put their ground curry powders into
> empty beer bottles !
>
> --
> DEV BOREM KORUM.
>
> Gabe Menezes.



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Re: [Goanet] Holland considers Saree ban..

[Neal Pinto]

Can someone please point me to the original article about Holland
considering a ban on saris?  I must've missed it amongst all the other
e-mails.

Or is this a hypothetical discussion?

Thanks,

Neal Pinto
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On 12/3/06, Mervyn Lobo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sunith D Velho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Paris is the largest tourist destination in the
> > world but try asking a Parisian for directions in
> > any language other than perfect French and see the >
> response you will get, whatever your race.

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[Goanet] Big up to Goans for celebrating the spirit of Goa worldwide!

[Bernado Colaco]

Another SFX feast was celebrated in Macau, with the
mass in amchem mae bhas, Portugese and English. Food
and what not came later. 

Great effort by the Goan lads and lasses for keeping
the spirit of Goa alive around the world may it be in
Melbourne or Toronto. This is while the neo
colonialist wait in hope for the remittances with
their hands open. Even getting into GMC is a sweat for
a NRG what next?

BC

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Re: [Goanet] Tykes On Bikes (and Scooters)

[Radhakrishnan Nair]

You're easily shocked, Roland! I was expecting to see bungee jumping
or skydiving, but these are pretty common sights on Indian roads. We
Indians in India are obviously more agile and better drivers than
Indians abroad :-)

Cheers,
RKN

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