Re: [Goanet] Albert's Reply to Bosco

2007-06-27 Thread Carvalho

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--- Albert Desouza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

How many of us are really 
> praying ? loving? and doing what God actually want
> us to do except make big 
> noise without basic knowledge of both our religion
> and God.
-

Dear Albert,
In my experience, people who presume to know what God
wants, presume too much.

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[Goanet] re Tony Martin's suggestions

2007-06-27 Thread Jose Colaco

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Tony Martin's suggestion:

Goanet is getting more and more of a free for all. ... I think people
like Bhandare are often conveniently misusing this great list to
promote their vicious campaign that openly spews hatred.

I would suggest Goanet should make it mandatory for posters to
positively identify themselves, where they are based and a phone
number.

A message without a signature should be automatically rejected.

Secondly a blanket ban on comments relating to matters of faith may
also be considered.

---

Dear Tonybab,

What you are suggesting involves at least two facets (1) unduly extra
work for the volunteer coordinators and (2) a form of qualified
censorship. I suggest that both are not good facets.

If you have been following the various India related discussion forums
- I am sure that you would have observed the spike in fever just
before some election and a spike in fever after that election has not
gone in any particular direction.

There is a particular commonality of thought which pervades the
postings of the hate mongers. The common themes: Sonia this and Sonia
that, Rome, Inquisition, Forced conversions, colonialism, Portugal and
look how bad the Catholics are.

This is not new stuff ...it has been on Goanet since 1996(atleast).
First, we had Ashok Chowgule of the VHP(Mumbai branch), then we had
Sandeep Heble(Betim Jaycees) and now we have the new breed of
sainiks.[You notice that I have not made any reference to amcho Aires.
I hope he is happy with his omni-directional Flip-Flopping &
Tree-Hopping]

There is one set of points which always 'affects' these sainiks: the
Caste System, Sati, the virtual elimination of Buddhism from the
subcontinent, Devadasis, Human Bondage, Slavery, and the multitude of
Wars and Rape that have occurred on the subcontinent.

The idea (if sensible folks will read it) is to say to the Bigots ...
For Heaven's sake ...ENOUGH!!; We have had enough of hatred among us.
We have caste hatred, religious hatred and all kinds of hatred.
Enough!!  For all the fingers we are pointing towards others ...we
have more pointing towards ourselves.

It is best to understand that Religion is a private matter leave
it alone.  And IF you have to discuss it, please be equitable in your
discussions.

Having said that - I believe that the activities of clerics is not out
of bound for discussion. I see no reason why the activities of clerics
and other public proponents of religion should not be discussed
openly. Sure, one has to be fair to everyone - the clerics as well as
the people they affect but a blanket ban would hardly be fair.

I have come to notice that certain sainiks have come out of the
woodwork around this Goa election. They have raised the same "pet"
topics that Ashok Chowgule raised on GoaNet more than a decade ago.
These nuevo sainiks have received my stock response. They have reacted
as expected ...like Ashok Chowgule did.

I have given them the option to look in the mirror. I have NO
intention to continue any dialogue with them unless they show me WHERE
on (any site) they have initiated or voluntarily supported a posting
of the negative aspects of the Caste, Sati etc topics. If they have
not ...they are just the quadriennial sainiks who specialise in hate;
no point in discussing with them.

I invite us to ignore them ...NOT suggest that GoaNet ban them. If the
barking of hate is ignored, chances are that they will go bark their
hatred somewhere else.

As far as telephone numbers are concerned  I'd say even at the
risk of Crank Calls - it is a good idea

jc
Nassau, Bahamas
242-328-3900
(has caller ID ...and any number that is 'blocked' is potentially
capable of being unblocked)


ps:
One thing is for sure, IF I was a betting man ... I would never accept
the tips from folks like Aires and Parrikar. Boy, they dont know how
to predict numbers and yet keep making wild predictions.



Re: [Goanet] Reply to Bosco

2007-06-27 Thread Bosco D'Mello

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On Tue Jun 26 02:56:52 PDT 2007, Albert Desouza wrote:

> Dear Bosco
> When ignorance is bliss it is folly to be wise.

RESPONSE: You are best advised to practice what you preach.the more you 
harp without any consistency, the further your comments appear from being 
wise.

> One must first know the roots of ones' religion. We cannot afford to 
> become fanatics.

RESPONSE: With each successive message, you appear more and more like a 
fanatic.

> It is because of this fanatism that we cannot accept the VCD as true and 
> try to camouflage the truth into condemination.

RESPONSE: Are you the same Albert who last week asked "What is this VCD 
everybody is talking about"? I don't think I have read any comments 
condemning the VCD itself. Criticism has been targetted at what the 
proponents of the VCD tried to achieve by distributing the VCD to schools. 
The questions are - Do you have the ability to understand that? And have you 
seen the VCD yourself (like I have)?

> We have a habbit of pointing fingers to others.

RESPONSE: That's correct. You keep pointing your dirty fingers at Catholic 
priests and the Catholic church in Goa. The question is - Do you practice 
what you preach?

> Infact catholicism is just a mere farce. How many of us are really praying 
> ? loving? and doing what God actually want us to do except make big noise 
> without basic knowledge of both our religion and God.

RESPONSE: So what does your God want you to do? Bad mouth the Gods of 
others??

> Going for daily mass, saying rosary, wearing scapulars, do not make us 
> true christians.

RESPONSE: What proportion of Catholics you know go for daily mass? What 
proportion of Catholics recite (not say) the rosary or wear scapulars? Which 
century are you living in?

> Hence the need to criticise the catholics arises because it has become a 
> hollow baseless religion of showing rmours, crowns,and wealth.

RESPONSE: Incase it hasn't struck you and your neighbour/friend, Glennda 
Viegas, Catholicism is bigger than you and me and will outlast you and me. 
Please make it a point to bring your neighbour/friend up to speed re this, 
once she has got her face out of the pie.

> I do not think Bosco knows much more about catholicism than I do.

RESPONSE: You 'do not think'?? Why are you unsure?? Does not the religious 
denomination you follow give you the ability to say anything with 
conviction??

May the 'Jesus' you keep referring to here on a regular basis bring you 
Peace of mind!

Aum!!

- Bosco 



[Goanet] Hindustan Times article by Colin D'Cruz

2007-06-27 Thread Jazz Goa

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A little under two hundred years ago, a bunch of
American musicians discovered the joy of improvising
and called it jazz. Meanwhile over two thousand years
ago, Indian classical musicians were busy setting the
rules for those American musician's joy. If jazz is
improvised music, Indian classical music is jazz! Now
that we've discovered who really discovered jazz, it's
time to take a good look at the state of jazz in
India. The name of India's most popular live jazz
venue located in Mumbai, tells the story loud and
clear. It started as 'Jazz by the bay', changed to
'Not just jazz by the bay' and should now be called
'Just not jazz by the bay'! Granted, jazz has a niche
audience and commercial music rules, but then a few
years later the same commercial music that rules, is
ruled out while jazz blissfully evolves, embracing all
other forms of music along the way. We now have
rock-jazz, pop-jazz, funk-jazz, latin-jazz,
hip-hop-jazz, indo-jazz... to cut a very long story
short, there is a -jazz attached to every genre of
music and there will be a -jazz attached ot every
genre that comes along. That's how huge jazz is and it
should now be spelt jaaz! Jazz, with it's all
embracing evolution, is certainly going to be the
global sound of music just as everything else gets
globalised. Why do I play jazz when I could easily
make millions if I learnt to sing pop through my nose?
It's because jazz allows me to be myself as opposed to
pop that wants me to be Madonna. I'd rather be myself
than strut onstage wearing conical jocks. In fact, not
very long ago a leading music company in India
released a male indi-pop star's album titled 'Mai bhi
Madonna' with the man dressed in drag on the album
cover. Jazz suddenly began to make sense to me after
all.

I chose to play bass as I felt it was the coolest
sound of music. Rhythm, melody and harmony makes music
and the bassplayer is the important link between the
three. I may not be upfront or in the spotlight all
the time like the singer and soloist in the band but I
am certainly right behind the song all the way. It's
been a long exciting journey into jazz for me, I made
a lot of friends as a musician and a whole lot of
enemies, I did meet a lot of people. If it wasn't for
my music I would have been a lighthouse keeper on
Andaman island or what's worse, I would have been a
doctor, lawyer or engineer. Yes, music helped me get
out of my introverted shell and face the world with a
song. I currently work on two resident contracts at
the JW Marriott hotel with my indo-jazz fusion
ensemble called 'The Brown Indian Band' for obvious
reasons and at night at the Taj Lands End hotel with
my band called 'The Bassman's Band' for some strange
reason. I often take time off from these two gigs to
perform at concerts and corporate events all over
India and internationally. One of the highlights of my
career so far, has been performing internationally on
the world renowned Hennessy XO jazz tour. The band,
the only one from India selected for this tour, was
called 'Soul Yatra' and was led by the amazingly
talented keyboard wizard Merlin D'Souza.

My journey into jazz has been fun and my best is
always yet to come. To give back to the music that
gave me so much, I setup an organisation in Goa called
'Jazz Goa' that can be reviewed at
http://www.jazzgoa.com After close to three decades of
playing jazz with just about every jazz musician in
the country, I would have loved to be called the
Godfather of Indian jazz. The position has been filled
I believe, so I'll settle for Godson of Indian jazz!

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[Goanet] Demonic Digging

2007-06-27 Thread Philip Thomas

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Oheraldo had a report titled "Now CCP's approval for development works a
must". Now all agencies are required to obtain prior permission for
construction work. This is a fall out of the drain being built along Miramar
Dona Paula Road. But the opening sentence refers to all kinds of  "haphazard
construction activities in the capital city". Recently a similar report
appeared in a Bangalore paper. It was headlined " Upgraded roads dug up".
The problem is that roads  recently upgraded  at great expense were being
dug up for one reason or another. The offenders are both government agencies
and private parties. Despite a protocol which bans digging of  96 arterial
roads and 118 sub-arterial roads without permission, unauthorised digging is
rampant AS THERE IS NO VIGILANCE AND MONITORING TEAM in Bangalore. Is it
going to be any different in Panjim?



[Goanet] NDTV anchor Frankey to host Dance Nite in Kuwait

2007-06-27 Thread gaspersWorld

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NDTV anchor Frankey to host Dance Nite in Kuwait

Kuwait: NDTV anchor Frankey Fernandes will host the 6th Social Event of 
Goan Entertainment Club in an unique ambience on 6th Sept 2007, at Kuwait's 
Fakher Al Deen Palace, starting 8:30 pm onwards.

Frankey needs no introduction to Goans worldwide. A successful journalist in 
the print and  electronic  media,  Frankey made a humble beginning at a 
young age of 16 when he began to work for the daily Gomantak times in 1992 
and since then has never turned back. Frankey also worked with O Herald, 
Times of India, Indian Express, All India Radio,  Doordarshan and now with 
the NDTV (Asia's best English News Channel) watched by millions of viewers 
across the globe.

It was in 1985 that Frankey was first spotted as a talented compere during a 
school gathering at Regina Mundi Christian Bros School in Chicalim, Goa and 
even before he could complete his High School studies he was compering shows 
in Goa. Soon the master compere found himself invited to perform in Mumbai, 
Bangalore, Delhi, Chennai, Austrialia, Kuwait, Dubai, Singapore, etc. Over 
the years he has anchored around 3000 musical events.

Top assignments successfully handled by Frankey are Sony Entertainment 
Channel's  'Boogie Woogie' dance competition and Channel V's Road Show in 
Goa featuring international repute pop-stars.

Frankey's presence will pep-up Goa's topmost band the 'FOREFRONT', Kuwait's 
sensational 'Soul Shakers' and 'DJ John' who are set to rock the NITE.

Highlight of the event will be a Jive Competition. Lots of surprises and 
prizes in store.
Circle the date on your calendars and don't miss it for the world --  
something different from all past events in Kuwait.


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Re: [Goanet] Corruptocracy

2007-06-27 Thread George Pinto

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Why are people surprized at the current situation where Cabinet positions are 
handed out to the
highest bidders and special interests (land sharks). There is more honour and 
integrity among
pimps than the current political class. It is no consolation to Goans that this 
happens throughout
the world. Real democracy died a long time ago, we now live with corruptocracy. 
How does a crook
who NDTV alleged paid 5 crores of Stamp duty for land conversions through 
several fraudulent sales
get inducted into the Goa cabinet? That is just one example.

Regards,
George


--- Daniel F de Souza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi fellow-netters,
> 
> The treatment meted out to Mummy Victoria by the Cong High Command and all 
> the commandos within the party in Amchem Goem is a perfect example of their 
> double standards. It is very sorry state of affairs with the party that 
> speaks so much abt women empowerment from the roof tops. A cabinet berth for 
> Mummy dear should have been given to her on a platter this timewithout 
> any questions. 


Re: [Goanet] INDUCT VICTORIA - reply

2007-06-27 Thread Stephen Fernandes

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Dear Goans,
Soina Gandhi n Alva if they are not woman
then wear gents clothes n change the body into man,
their both are big Rostard n Congress senior leader of
congress keep them sitting as MLA. give newcomer a
ministry n Save Goa, better Understand, TCP n deputy
Chief Minister give to Mummy Victoria fernandes, Mummy
is right women to Save Goa,
 stephen fernandes
muscat


[Goanet] Prayer Service.

2007-06-27 Thread Percival Decosta

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There is so much hue and cry regarding the Prayer Service held at S. Jose De 
Areal.
I can't imagine why some People and the Catholic Church has politized this 
Issue.

If People of Goa have become religious, man come on Thank God!!!
be it any group, catholic Charismatic Group, Follower of Christ, Belivers, 
etc, if they are
praying for something healthy. WHY STOP THEM MAN? WHY STOP THEM.

& U know what? I wish the Archdiocese can do something to advise our Priest
to preach love and not hatred. To Love your enemies and not hate your 
Enemies,
as not to use the pulpit to address an pulpit deceitfully.

Re: S. Jose de Areal Incident: A Clarification from the
 Archdiocese (George Pinto)




Re: [Goanet] Shame of you Congress and its allies

2007-06-27 Thread Alfred de Tavares

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Mein Gott!

Should Sonia arrange the pleats of saris Indiawide?

Sh re baba! Whatatamasha!!!

Filip, pls advise what will be your fast-diet & how Sonia-sheee should 
monitor the exercise. Let´s, hopefully, give you, & possibly Vicky?)
a grand adieu!

I will organize Cecil, Gabe duly fly in with, if you prefer to continue with 
us, vivendi, resuscitational limejuice/Stella A. after dehidration fatally
threatens.

Environmentally-friendly bamboo coffins a la my friend Inocencio Monteiro 
may be ordered in advance.

If so done via Cecil Moribund Services the casket delivered with EXPRESSed 
flowers of varying petals digitally set to disintegrate with accompanying 
mortal remains.

Possible canonization due to non-disintegrating flora/restus mortuis can be 
satisfactorilly arranged/fixed for due consideration.

Cecil, to solely arbitrate proportion of Siolim-feni per kilo carcass to 
ensure prime perservation (Vatican acceptable) & n.o.c. from good Peter, the 
Rock, for non-delivery of same (arranged by Rico, courtesy neighbouring nuns 
of Saligao).

Also vide same Rico for same sisters to chant vigils... a la bolliwood, if 
prefered.

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>From: "Filipe Fernandes"
>
>Shame on you Congress and its allies!
>
>Congress Hypocrites! At the centre you want to elect a lady president of
>the nation and in Goa you deprive a lady its due share...



Re: [Goanet] A suggestion

2007-06-27 Thread Anthony C. L. Fernandes

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I fully support Anthony M. Barreto's suggestion. 

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[Goanet] Religious postings- reply to Tony and Kamlaksh

2007-06-27 Thread C. A. Bhandare

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Dear Tony:

Kindly note that I have not criticised the catholic
belief or the Bible. I have only asked questions to
some people who made certain statements on this public
forum

rather than answer any of the questions raised, those
individuals have responded with innuendo, lies and
gratutious abuse of fellow posters 

kamlaksh is correct that we need to focus on issues
related to goa and I respect his decision not to post
any thing related to religion but I must tell him that
bigotry and falsehood flourishes precisely because
good people do nothing

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Re: [Goanet] The role of film in a secular state

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--- "Frederick [FN] Noron  ha * फरॆडर 
ीक नो  रोनया"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 
> I believe in free expression... but I also believe
> there are limits to it.
> The problem with the Deo-Parrikar-BJP VCD in Goa
> wasn't whether it was
> factual or otherwise, but that it sought to make
> religious conflict and
> strife the focus of a 21st century State in a
> secular country. 
---

Film, like news media, has a very important role to
play in a secular state. It is one of the most
effective mechanisms used to influence thought in the
21st century. Hollywood for instance has been
remarkable in its ability to shape public opinion be
it on gay rights, racial issues, historical
perspectives or political activities. Hollywood, is an
industry that is as feared by politicians as the
plague and as courted as an unrequiting lover. 

It is imperative that film and its distribution are
treated with the utmost objectivity and discipline. I
don't know what role Bollywood and its other
counterparts, play in shaping public opinion, but it
is time that they took on more meaningful subjects
such as embracing the concept of nationhood,
overcoming the caste and communal divide, population,
etc, rather than just frivolous, song and dance
potboilers.

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[Goanet] NRIs too can file RTI applications

2007-06-27 Thread Frederick [FN] Noronha * फरॆडरीक नोरोनया

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Times of India, Ahmedabad
22.06.2007

USE RTI

NRIs too can file RTI applications
Paul John | TNN

Ahmedabad: NRIs in the US, through the Indian embassy in Washington
DC, can now seek information from government offices in Gujarat or
anywhere in the country by filing a simple application under the Right
to Information (RTI) Act.

Any NRI with a valid Indian passport can file an RTI application with
the Public Information Officer (PIO) with the Indian Embassy by paying
a fee of 24 cents. The payment can be made through a demand draft or a
cheque.

The Embassy will automatically transfer the application to the
relevant department in India within five days if the information
requested does not pertain to the Embassy itself. Under the RTI Act,
the public authority must provide the information within 35 days.

This was stated by information and culture attaché of Indian embassy
at Washington DC, K A Georgekutty, in reply to a query posted by Somu
Kumar of a US-based organisation called AID-India. The statement has
come as a boon for expatriate Indians who own some property back home
and are worried about land sharks gobbling up their precious
landholding.

"This is good news for NRIs who would want to check the credentials of
specific developmental projects undertaken by the Gujarat government,
before donating funds to them. Besides, one can always check the
authenticity of NGOs who come to the US asking for funds - it can be
ascertained, under RTI, whether it is a listed NGO. Besides an NRI
businessman can use RTI to check government policies to know whether
it is favourable investing in the state," said a software entrepreneur
in the US, Pritesh Bhavsar.

Anju Musafir, an educationist based in Ahmedabad, was the first to
file an application with the PIO of the Indian ministry of external
affairs on July 19, 2006 to seek information on denial of visa by an
Indian Embassy in Paris to French national Benjamin M.

It was following Musafir's compliant to the Central Information
Commission (CIC) that a combined Bench of all information
commissioners called for a consensus on whether Indian high
commissions can be considered as public authorities under the RTI Act.

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[Goanet] Goanet NewsBytes: CM's Delhi visit... Victoria Fernandes' fast...

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Goanet News Bytes
-
June 27, 2007

o Chief minister's visit a damp squib: Allocation of
  portfolios continues to stalk the Congress with chief
  minister Digambar Kamat failing to conduct the exercise
  today as his trip to meet the high Command turned out to be
  a damp squib. (H)
o CM finalises portfolios: after consultation with Ms Sonia
  Gandhi, and other senior Congress party leaders. (NT)

o Mummy (Victoria Fernandes) to decide on calling off her
  hunger strike today. (H)
o Victoria may strike deal: Getting a ministerial berth may
  not really be the end-all of the hunger-strike resorted to
  by St Cruz MLA Victoria Fernandes. In fact, it is a fight
  for the welfare of the constituency and its people and her
  "indefinite" hunger strike is less about gaining a cabinet
  berth and more about guaranteeing that the present Congress
  government takes up developmental work in the constituency
  on a war footing, claims the Gomantak Times.
o Activists, women back 'Mummy'. (GT)
o Man knocks high court doors against 'extortionist' private
  hospitals. (GT)

o Save Goa Front watching resentment in Congress camp:
  Churchill (H)
o Panzorconne (Cuncolim) grapples with rodents, flies.(H)
o Malaria, dengue on rise with arrival of monsoon. (NT)
o Goa getting set for presidential elections. (NT)

  COMMENT: BJP's grand plan that failed. Uday Bhembre, ex MLA
  and Congress leader, writes in the Herald: "As we know, the
  BJP never got a mandate from the Goan electorate. The first
  time the BJP came to power was through manipulation;
  perhaps treachery would be a more appropriate word. In
  2002, the BJP could get only 17 seats. The BJP-led
  government came to power only because the group that
  aligned with it could not get a quick response from the
  Congress for which it had the first preference."

GOOD NEWS:

o Journalism course at Dhempe College (GT)
o Volunteers spread message against drug abuse. (GT)
o Patents are a good idea, but we need to promote more
  Open Source software, writes Bharat Jhunjhunwala. (GT)
o Candolim gearing up for Sangodd festival, June 29. (NT)
o Damodar Bhajani Saptah, Vasco from Aug 19. (NT)
o Sao Joao celebrated in Vasco. (NT)

To include your news updates here (only if in public
interest) send it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with GOANET
NEWSBYTES as the subjectline.

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[Goanet] request for articles

2007-06-27 Thread Neeta Omprakash

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Mr. Noronnha,
 
is it possible for you to send me the articles published on the goa-net by 
Richard Newman about Goa. I have read the last article "Myths of Goa- new and 
old". I would like to read the previous articles. 
 
thanking you in anticipation.
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Re: [Goanet] MLA VICTORIA FERNANDES HOSPITALISED -OUT OF DANGER

2007-06-27 Thread Gabe Menezes

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On 26/06/07, godfrey gonsalves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 He
> blamed the coalition for this situation and argued
> that while a majority eluded the INC in Goa since the
> early 1990 the lucrative portfolios are the prime
> cause for dissatisfaction within the party rank and
> file.

> GODFREY J. I. GONSALVES,
> BORDA, MARGAO, 403 602, GOA. (INDIA)
> +91 98221 58584 (24 HRS)
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]

QUESTION: Which portfolios are lucrative; in what sense, there are
kickbacks involved in holding these posts ?

I suppose PWD would be a lucrative post, which are the others ?

-- 
DEV BOREM KORUM.

Gabe Menezes.
London, England


Re: [Goanet] A suggestion

2007-06-27 Thread CORNEL DACOSTA

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Hi Fred
   Please can you say what the personal signature file might consist of?  The 
answer to this question could help generate some kind of uniformity on info 
provided/needed/suggested re Goanet correspondence.
  Cornel DaCosta. 

"Frederick [FN] Noronha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  
Even before we decide on this... maybe you (and me) could appeal to everyone 
genuine to end their posts with a signature file giving their coordinates. 
Not because we distrust people, but it also becomes very easy to contact 
people when you have their full contacts, phone details, etc... whenever you 
need it.

Last weekend, I put our VascokarsUnited Jen in touch with another Goanetter 
lady from Birmingham... and they were surprised how close they were to each 
other.

So anyone interested, please create your signature file and pack in your 
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Re: [Goanet] Knighthood for Salman Rushdie

2007-06-27 Thread CORNEL DACOSTA

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Hi George
  The derogatory term "third world" was dropped over twenty five years ago in 
UK universities/institutions and replaced with "developing world", developing 
economies etc. Is this not also true for American institutions trying to 
minimise/eradicate poor labelling?
  Cornel

George Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

--- edward desilva wrote:

> So it is OK to give PADMA SHREEs by a third world country but not OK to 
> bestow honours to people who are inventors, do-ens and public helpers of 
> world fame?


The term "third-world" country is used by the West to denigrate and degrade 
countries who are
struggling to come up. In many cases the West through WTO, IMF, globalization, 
arms sales,
multi-nationals are holding emerging countries back and then turn around and 
have the gall to call
them "third-world". India is emerging and its awards do not suffer the illusion 
of the British
OBE, MBE where the "E" stands for Empire. The British Empire today is the 
backyard of Buckingham
Palace, affectionately referred to as HMB, Her Majesty's Backside.

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Re: [Goanet] visit to valencia, spain

2007-06-27 Thread Alfred de Tavares

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Eugene,

Our great, mui simpatico Basilio Magno lives in beautiful Malaga...Torre del 
Mar!

Alfred

>From: Eugene Correia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" 
>
>To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
>Subject: [Goanet] visit to valencia, spain
>Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 16:04:36 -0700 (PDT)
>
>-
>
>dear goanetters,
>
>i am in valencia, spain. any goanetters here? likely
>to go to madrid and barcelona before going to lisbon.
>
>eugene
>
>
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[Goanet] Stereotyping 'pao wallahs' in the U.S.

2007-06-27 Thread pdesouza

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We have seen claims of stereotyping based on religion being made in some recent 
postings. Ignorance is the fertile soil on which prejudice grows. A nice 
artilce on Disney and Ageism below + 2 Qs:
 
1) How does the world stereotype 'pao wallahs' resident in the U.S.? 

2) Are U.S. based 'maka paos' or 'macs', victims or beneficiaries of the brand 
halo called AMERICA?

The ageism note:

By Tim Henderson   
  
 "Old people," said the Xer woman waiting ahead of me in a recent and 
interminable airport security queue. A roll of the eyes finished her scornful 
take on the senior gent being thoroughly questioned by TSA staff. 

I disagree with her sentiment, but maybe she grew up watching Disney flicks.

Seems a study from Brigham Young U smarties uncovered senior stereotypes among 
Disney's animated characters. Of 90 senior characters in 34 Disney movies, BYU 
researchers say, 58% are positive. But 42% are negative portrayals, including 
anger, senility, missing teeth, creaking voices and hunched postures. Most were 
villains.

BYU researchers worry that it's often impressionable youngsters viewing the 
flicks. Others, including me, have a more restrained response. That seniors are 
stereotyped by pop culture is little surprise. So too are many others, 
including caveman guys, dumb blondes, smart-aleck kids, shiftless repairmen, 
condescending store clerks and dimwitted bosses. Still, I'm not inclined to say 
those stereotypes or the seniors in Snow White and Cinderella are forever 
twisting viewers' brains.

Responsible companies and compassionate consumers know the real villain is 
ageism. Like all prejudice, it finds fertile ground in ignorance. It's 
real-life, intergenerational activities — like Disney grandparenting vacations, 
senior and Millennial tutors and, later in life, mixing it up in the workplace 
and on college campuses — that destroy or affirm stereotypes. Hopefully, it's 
the former, positive impressions that consumers draw on for a lifetime.  




Re: [Goanet] Konkani-isms...

2007-06-27 Thread Edward Verdes

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The goan Melody king, late Alfred Rose used many English sounding portugese 
words in his songs
like appreciasaum (cao) (Appreciation) occasaum (occassion) fugsaum 
(function)
satisfasaum (satisfaction) adorasaum (adoration) devosaum (devotion) etc.

Well I cant talk much today as my branch is fallen down (mozo tallo podla) 
and I dont
want to stick to anyones mouth (konnache tondak lagonk naka) :)

Dev borem korum
Edward Verdes
Jeddah/KSA

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From: "Frederick [FN] Noronha *
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 11:40 AM
Subject: [Goanet] Konkani-isms...


>
> Konkani has seen the influence of various languages; it also
> influences various languages. We have read about critics talking about
> the way Konkani shaped the speaking of Portuguese in Goa (no expertise
> in that field).
>
> English 'shock-absorbers' become "chakupsers" in Konkani. The bus
> "conductor" becomes a "cilinder". Cecil Pinto has pointed out that the
> "nightie" is widely used as a dress indicating modesty (and keeping
> the body covered for a lady) not just during the night in Goa.




[Goanet] Reverse Konkani-isms and new verbs

2007-06-27 Thread Cecil Pinto

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Every once in a while the topic of Konkani-isms comes up here and we 
discuss the usual absurd phrases which occur when we native Konkani 
speakers literally translate from Konkani to English.

Reverse Konkani-isms are rarely given the attention they deserve because 
this forum is largely made up of English speaking people.

A reverse Konkani-ism occurs when a English speaking (thinking) person 
literally translates into Konkani when speaking.

For example yesterday I had phoned a journalist friend of mine a couple of 
times, on his mobile, but got no response.  Later in the evening he phones 
me and asks in his accented Konkani, "Tuvem mhaka don favti apoiloi?"

Technically speaking it does translate as "You called me twice" but "apoi" 
is "call" as in call and not as in phone call. The phrase sounds absurd to 
a Konkani speaker.

Also we must address the new words that are becoming part of our 
vocabulary. "Missed call" for example, as a verb.
"Did you missed call me?"
"Why don't you just missed call me at about 7 and I will come to the park"

This word/phrase is being increasingly used by South Asian cellphone-savvy 
youth and will soon be included in the English dictionary if popular usage 
is the criteria.

Cheers!

Cecil

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[Goanet] Bhandares lie--request to mervyn

2007-06-27 Thread C. A. Bhandare

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Dear Mervyn,

You wrote:
'All of us read a post from Santosh enquiring if you
were a Ms."

I am surprised because I dint read it.Can you please
provide a reference?
 
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[Goanet] Mindless feasts and some related thoughts

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--- Carvalho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A lot of mindless things are done in the name of religion and even more 
> mindless things
> are done to gain acceptance in this world, but I don't think celebrating 
> village feasts
> is one of them. 


Catholic Goan village feasts in the name of a European saint (who ironically is 
hardly remembered
in empty European churches) are not the only mindless events, there are other 
groups who feel the
need to have public displays of religion in Goa at odd hours violating noise 
pollution rules.
There is another issue which is the amount of money wasted on these events but 
I suppose it is
everyone's right to waste their own money. However, imagine instead of village 
feasts and
religious events, if the church/temple/mosque were to organize programs on:

Job fairs
Employment skills
Entrepreneurial initiatives
Civic awareness
Environmental awareness
Conservation
Wildlife protection
Financial literacy classes
Money management
Art & music fairs
Inter-religious celebrations
Elder care and children issues
Anti-corruption drives
Anti-caste programs
Cross-cultural, multi-cultural events 
Political activism
Consumer rights
And so on...

What if Goan expat organizations and associations did some of the above instead 
of their mindless
events and "fun" conventions to amuse the lowest common denominator.

Oh well... Goans by and large have chosen by their actions to be a backward 
group, their verbal
protestations notwithstanding.

Regards,
George




[Goanet] VCD on Goan freedom struggle

2007-06-27 Thread Bernado Colaco

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When did hinduism became a race? Or being born in the
subcontinent means all are hindus? 
Smirky when are you going to get Portuguese
citizenship?

BC


Like the man said
 to 
my son when you are born you are born a Hindu and the
act of pouring of
 
water on the head makes one Christian and circumcision
makes one
 Muslim. LOL 
even as an ex-christian he has a valid point.





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[Goanet] Is Bhandare the saffron sari clad RSS?

2007-06-27 Thread Bernado Colaco

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A couple of years ago there was a Gnerr based in Dubai
and formerly from the Boca da Vaca area. Than this
Gnerr disappeared after being soundly trashed.

The current messages by Bhandare  reminds me of this
person who apparently is the sister of a famous Goan
singer.

Just my opinion

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Re: [Goanet] Reverse Konkani-isms and new verbs

2007-06-27 Thread Frederick [FN] Noronha * फरॆडरीक नोरोनया

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Who's that ignorant journalist? Are you sure he's your "friend"? And
shouldn't Goanet have some rules about kiss-and-tell-e-phonic
conversations?
Anyway, it's a funny story. And, as they say in a court of law, we're
not obliged to say anything that could incriminate us!
I will grudgingly admit: Cecil is probably right about these being one
of the 'safe' favourite topics on Goanet. Can we list the others?
Your-religion-is-worse-than-mine, my-bigots-are-better-than-yours,
your-casteism-stinks-mine-isn't-caste-bias, Konkani-versus-Marathi,
Catholics-versus-Hindus, pre-1961-versus-all-the-rest,
Goa-was-never-part-of-India, I-live-in-the-best-part-of-the-world,
Goans-abroad-have-no-right-to-preach-to-Goans-in-Goa,
Goa-is-going-downhill, politicians-are-the-root-of-all-evil.
So, just vote for your favourite. And where did the discussion on
Konkanisms/Goaisms reach? FN
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[Goanet] Development of constituency

2007-06-27 Thread Philip Thomas

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In a report titled "Congress invites Mummy to Delhi for talks", there is
some information about Victoria Fernandes, MLA's, plans for her constituency
of anta Cruz. Consisting of some 20 items, it reportedly includes things
like laying of underground electric cables, hot mixing of roads, a sewerage
treatment plant, two football grounds, a community hall, an indoor stadium,
two health centers, two markets, three overbridges etc etc.

The first question that arises is: how does all this gel with the new
Regional Plan which is supposedly in the  works (after the original one was
scuppered by the redoubtable Mummy's own whistle blowing). This is because
presumably some land would have to be identified for the various purposes.

Then there is the question of need. What purpose would the markets serve?
Would the community hall be for one community or all of them?  What if all
40 constituencies asked for football grounds and stadia? Is there a body
which would take a wholistic view of these requirements?

Then there are the missing items (though these may well be in the complete
list). What about pay toilets, garbage disposal sites etc.

"The Santa Cruz MLA has demanded non-interference .. in the development
works of the constituency" citing the previous experience with the
obstructive Town & Country Minister. Is this any way to run a progressive
government, for Goa's sake?



Re: [Goanet] Reverse Konkani-isms and new verbs

2007-06-27 Thread Reena Martins

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Good idea.
While I'm not sure if this is a reverse Konkanism, a common one we hear among
the Bombay Goans is, 'hullo' being conjugated as a verb. Something like,
"Didn't she hullo you?"
Or in the kitchen one might get to hear another gem-"The rice is become?"
(xitt zalem?)
Reena

Cecil Pinto wrote:

> 
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> Get your free subscription at:
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> http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-sports-goanet.org
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>
> Every once in a while the topic of Konkani-isms comes up here and we
> discuss the usual absurd phrases which occur when we native Konkani
> speakers literally translate from Konkani to English.
>
> Reverse Konkani-isms are rarely given the attention they deserve because
> this forum is largely made up of English speaking people.
>
> A reverse Konkani-ism occurs when a English speaking (thinking) person
> literally translates into Konkani when speaking.
>
> For example yesterday I had phoned a journalist friend of mine a couple of
> times, on his mobile, but got no response.  Later in the evening he phones
> me and asks in his accented Konkani, "Tuvem mhaka don favti apoiloi?"
>
> Technically speaking it does translate as "You called me twice" but "apoi"
> is "call" as in call and not as in phone call. The phrase sounds absurd to
> a Konkani speaker.
>
> Also we must address the new words that are becoming part of our
> vocabulary. "Missed call" for example, as a verb.
> "Did you missed call me?"
> "Why don't you just missed call me at about 7 and I will come to the park"
>
> This word/phrase is being increasingly used by South Asian cellphone-savvy
> youth and will soon be included in the English dictionary if popular usage
> is the criteria.
>
> Cheers!
>
> Cecil
>
> ===



[Goanet] Model cities (beyond Singapore and Shanghai)

2007-06-27 Thread Philip Thomas

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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Cities/City_Supplements/Bangalore_Times/B
angalore_live/rssarticleshow/2151553.cms

This article takes a functional view for benchmarking urban amenities
instead of the usual catch-all one.  In other words model cities are
identified for particular functions instead of holding up cities as
all-in-one models.

For international airports (which the article begins with) it cites Berne
and Munich. Domestic airports are not explicitly considered. For crime rates
the models were Tokyo and Kyoto. State education quality  (as also health
care quality) was considered best in Zurich and Helsinki.

Bangalore was said to be almost on par with top cities as far as telecom
connectivity went. On tolerance the jury was out.

"While creating transport infrastructure they haven't taken into account the
density of traffic."   This comment has to be seen in conjunction with the
rating on "access to nature and key environmental issues".

"At least 10 cities have made parks and trees a priority in their planning."
What I observed was that Bangalore arterial roads are narrower than they
need to be considering the high traffic density mentioned above. Vehicles
are not only bumper to bumper but cheek by jowl (within 1 foot of each other
at intersections). A real recipe for road rage although, to be fair, I
scarcely saw any squabbling out in the open by irate drivers. Vast swathes
of land have however been walled off, giving the impression that traffic
flows in canyons! The areas behind these walls (much of it under the
military) may no doubt be serene and green. But who decides on Bangalore's
land use and on appropriation of land for the public good? Perhaps a highly
sensitive question!



[Goanet] GOACAN observes Consumer Health & Safety Awareness Week

2007-06-27 Thread Goa Desc

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Do GOACAN a favour, circulate this email to your family members,
relatives, neighbours and friends. Help others be BETTER INFORMED
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GOACAN observes Consumer Health & Safety Awareness Week
---
The Goa Civic and Consumer Action Network (GOACAN)
will observe a Consumer Health & Safety Awareness Week
from 24th to 30th June. The week long program being organised
on the occasion of State Consumer Rights Day (25th June)
seeks to address the need for awareness on consumer
health & safety in Goa.

During the week GOACAN will network with the village based
Consumer Forums as well as the Consumer Welfare Cells
in educational institutions to promote consumer awareness on
health & safety issues in the local area.

Consumer Forum volunteers will organise "phone in's" with the
Goa Police, Directorate of Health Services, Fire & Emergency
Services, Legal Metrology, Food & Drug Administration,
Inspectorate of Factories & Boilers, Electricity and the
Transport Departments.

In order to draw public and media attention to health & safety
issues during the week surprise visits & checks, collection of
samples and photo documentation will be undertaken.

During the week the volunteers will also publicize the official
telephone and fax numbers of these departments as well as the
Disaster Management Co-ordination Committee at the Taluka
and District level.

Consumers are requested to send copies of their consumer
complaints/suggestions by post to GOACAN Complaints Cell,
Post Box 187,Margao Goa 403 601 or by email to
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> during this week.
 
GOA CIVIC AND CONSUMER ACTION NETWORK
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[Goanet] Selmas post regarding sunith

2007-06-27 Thread C. A. Bhandare

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dear Selma:

Frankly I am tried of this debate now and I had
promised Bosco that i wont reply to any of your posts
But I cant resist this one and I hope Bosco will
indulge me this time

The issue here is not the beliefs of the catholic
church or salcette or konkani nor is it a "my religion
better than your" slanging match

can you please pinpoint the stements that i have made
which are lies?  

you say that xavier was a product of his times and
cant be held accountable...fine ..wasnt veer savarkar
a product of his times? or hitler for that matter?

you criticse RSS for lack of tolerance..fine
again...but why do you exonerate the church? does the
pope believe in religious pluralism and the right of
every individual to believe in whatever religion he
chooses fit?

does the pope accord equal rights to gays? 

are the churches views on contraception and aids
prevention scientific and morally just?

Did the Pope try to defend pedophiles in the church?
were top officials of the church who shielded
pedophiles and shifted them from parish to parish
(cardinal Law of boston) punished or were they given
sinecure positions in Rome to protect them from law?

has the catholic church been complicit in the rwandan
genocide? were the guilty officials punished?

closer home, is the church stand regarding da vinci
code any different from the shiv sena or bajrang dal?

These are all curent issues, i am not even talking
about the inquisition or the jewish holocaust, or nazi
collaboration here...

Why do you call me jeevan barad chari and others as
trouble makers? is it because we have a view point
which is different from yours? isnt it intolerant to
heap  personal abuse on others who choose to disagree?

Why am I jeevan and others along with Godse and Advani
a pack of wolves according to reena? i feel sorry for
this "journalist".

Regards

C A Bhandare



   

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Re: [Goanet] A suggestion

2007-06-27 Thread Carvalho

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Hi Frederick,
I hope this isn't instituted as another goanet rule.
As a woman, I simply won't be able to comply with a
telephone no or address. I get even perverse mail as
it is. I can however provide it privately to any
goanet moderator :-)

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Re: [Goanet] Knights of Columbus

2007-06-27 Thread Gilbert Lawrence

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Hi Kevin,

I asked you a simple question. You did not have an answer.

Neither could you give me three to five (or even one) example of KC doing the 
bidding of the Vatican contrary to the interest of Catholic Americans or 
America. Do you think American Catholics are unable on their own to evaluate 
and articulate morality?
  
The efforts of KC to financially and socially help poor Catholics are very 
commendable.  It is very likely you (and other ungrateful and perennial 
Church-bashers on Goanet) were the beneficiary of the kindness and sacrifices 
of the KC and the Catholic Church during your upbringing and in time of crises.

Your string of anti-Catholic posts, as an ex-Catholic and an atheist, are an 
insensitive, offensive claptrap.  You are utilizing your language skills and 
your self-acclaimed morality to display a showy, insincere empty talk.  Your 
contemptible, crude and deceptive attacks, on the religion you divorced 
yourself from, are intended only to get an applause or notice. Don't you have 
any shame?  Most atheists I know have much higher morals and decency standards.

Regards, GL

 Kevin Saldanha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

Read the book 'Parish Priest', Gilbert. Then read 'The Hiram Key' by Knight and 
Lomas

- Gilbert Lawrence:
Can the author tell us where the "poor Irish immigrants from the church" were 
defecting to?

---  "Kevin Saldanha" 
 
as a prior member of this 'men's club' who has been sworn to secrecy, I thought 
I'd pass on some history which may not be available through Google. 
 
a secret society that was created to stem the defection of poor Irish 
immigrants from the Church.  Fr. Michael McGiveney used the model of the most 
successful secret society, Freemasonry, to create a Catholic men's organization 
that would look after the financial interests of the poor Catholic families in 
the Boston area.  
 
The fraternal brotherhood of the Knights of Columbus has also morphed into a 
formidable political force, using their influence through the dwindling 
Catholic congregations to promote the political agenda of the Vatican without 
incurring the penalties which would arise from overt interference by the Church 
into matters of the State.


[Goanet] Copyright debate...

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Re: [Goanet] MLA VICTORIA FERNANDES HOSPITALISED -OUT OF DANGER

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--- Gabe Menezes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> QUESTION: Which portfolios are lucrative; in what sense, there are
> kickbacks involved in holding these posts ?
> I suppose PWD would be a lucrative post, which are the others ?


Dear Gabe

Every Ministry/department involves permits, licenses, certificates and their 
related renewals. In
Tourism for example, a tourist taxi driver has to get a license, in Agriculture 
there are issues
of zoning, etc. The entire process is transaction based and so each transaction 
can involve a
kickback. In Goa, corruption has been "elevated" to new levels where getting a 
Govt. Job or
promotion involves kickbacks. Of course, corruption is not unique to Goa, no 
place in the world
seems to be corruption-free. Some places the corruption is cleverly hidden from 
public view,
unlike Goa where it is blatant for all to see as Ministers flash their 
ill-gotten wealth.

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Re: [Goanet] Bhandare' s Lie

2007-06-27 Thread Santosh Helekar

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--- Mervyn Lobo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> C. A. Bhandare,
> All of us read a post from Santosh enquiring if you
> were a Ms.  
> 

Hi Mervyn,

You are mistaken. I did not make such an inquiry. I
merely guessed that his name was Chinmay Bhandari.
Chinmay is a boy's name.

Cheers,

Santosh


Re: [Goanet] re Tony Martin's suggestions

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I think it's unfair to blame only saffron supporters. Goanet has been
a happy hunting ground for people of all persuasions. We have had
fanatics (and fringe elements) from all religious (and non-religious)
backgrounds.

Who can deny that the extreme postings coming up have done so in
shades of saffron, blue, red, pink, green (no, I mean
environmentalism... our only Muslim-background member, Tariq Siddiqui,
came across as rather reasonable to me), red-and-green, and the other
colours of the rainbow, apart from varied combinations thereof.

I was there was someone to represent Kurien's so-called White
Revolution here. (Didn't F.N.Souza also talk about a White Flag
Revolution, albeit in another context?)

Someone tell me, what is the colour for extreme secularists and
atheists? My neighbour and ex-schoolmate Kevin might know... and I
plead guilty to sharing a fascination for some of the above colours
myself. AFAIK, Free Software fanaticism doesn't have an official
colour yet. But then, gnus and penguins have been mascots for its
various factions!
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Re: [Goanet] Catholism and politics

2007-06-27 Thread Gabe Menezes

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On 26/06/07, Albert Desouza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Many of us do not know what is catholicism.Please go to the root of the
> history of  catholicism and then write on this topic
> albert

COMMENT/ADVICE: Albert, most if not all that you post is incoherent; I
trust you include yourself when you state 'Many of us do not know what
is catholicism.'

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, please keep away from things
you do not fully know or understand.

I shall do you the courtesy - understanding what I have stated, please
click on to the URL shown below.

http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/10400.html

-- 
DEV BOREM KORUM.

Gabe Menezes.
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[Goanet] Mammoth Rally Takes off in Protest of Attack on Priest

2007-06-27 Thread Edward Verdes

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See whats happening in the neighbouring state...Edward Verdes/Jeddah/KSA

Kundapur: Mammoth Rally Takes off in Protest of Attack on Priest
from Vinay Pais (MM)

for Daijiworld Media Network - Kundapur

Kundapur, Jun 27: More than 5 thousand people have gathered near Shastri 
Circle here
to protest against the attack on Carmelite priest Fr Sylvester Pereira on 
Wednesday June 27 at 3 pm.
Not only Christians, but also Hindus and Muslims are part of the huge 
gathering here
in a large number to show unity against communalism

Addressing the crowd, former MP Vinaykumar Sorake said that Indian 
constitution has given equal rights to the all citizens. But, Sangh Parivar 
people are taking the law into their hands. The BJP-JD(S)-led state 
government is sponsoring these anti-social elements, he blamed.

The coastal area of the state has become the laboratory of Sangh Parivar 
people. On the other hand, the police department here has completely failed 
in maintaining peace and order in the coastal area, he accused.

http://www.daijiworld.com/news/news_disp.asp?n_id=35040&n_tit=Kundapur%3A+Mammoth+Rally+Takes+off+in+Protest+of+Attack+on+Priest+

The Attack

Kundapur, Jun 25: In a shocking incident Fr Sylvester Pereira, OCD, superior 
of Carmel Ashram near Sunrise Factory at Katkere of Koteshwar was assaulted 
by  leader of a local Hindu organization here on Monday June 25 morning.

Two Carmelite brothers (who are studying for priesthood and  who are 
residing with Fr Sylvester Pereira) too were assaulted along with their cook 
Mukund Bhandary in Surgeon Hospital at Koteshwar.

Fr Sylvester had gone to the hospital with Br Joyston Saldanha, Br John 
Pradeep and their cook Mukund Bhandary to Surgeon Hospital to fetch medicine 
to both the brothers and cook.  They were accompanied by one Valerian 
D'Silva, a leader of the community.

After alighting from Valerian's vehicle they went inside the hospital and 
were waiting for the doctor.  While Fr Sylvester was sitting with Valerian, 
Br Joyston and Br John were sitting with Mukund.  As they were waiting for 
the doctor 3-4 local Hindu leaders led by Ramanna Shetty came and caught Fr 
Sylvester by his collar.

Without giving any chance to speak, they pulled him down the stairs and 
pushed him on the ground, and then kicked and assaulted him severely, 
alleging that the priest was indulging in conversion activities in the 
area..  When Valerian tried to intervene and asked them not to assault a 
priest, they left the priest and assaulted Valerian.  As a result Valerian 
sustained injuries and lost a few of his teeth. On the other hand both Br 
Joyston and John who tried to save the priest were also assaulted along with 
the cook.

http://www.daijiworld.com/news/news_disp.asp?n_id=34968&n_tit=Kundapur%3A+Fr+Sylvester+Pereira+Assaulted+by+Ramanna+Shetty





[Goanet] Goa news for June 28, 2007

2007-06-27 Thread Goanet News Service

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*** Goa has best social infrastructure: Study (The Times of
India)

A study of Indias emerging growth centres rates Goa the highest
in terms of social infrastructure.

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*** Goa has best social infrastructure: Study (The Times of
India)

A study of Indias emerging growth centres rates Goa the highest
in terms of social infrastructure ” which includes cost of
living, presence of quality educational institutions and
entertainment avenues.

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*** Goa CM allocates portfolios to ministers (rediff.com)

The file allocating the departments was sent to Governor S C
Jamir late Wednesday night. A formal notification is expected on
Thursday.

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*** Advani expresses concern at UP, Goa debacles (NDTV)

BJP leader LK Advani on Tuesday expressed concern over the
party's bad performance in the Uttar Pradesh and Goa assembly
polls and asked for urgent corrective measures.

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*** Monsoon has been active in Gujarat state, Konkan and Goa
(New Kerala)

Pune, Jun 25: The southwest monsoon has been active in Gujarat
state, Konkan and Goa, Madhya Maharashtra, Vidarbha and coastal
Karnataka.

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*** ˜Goa has potential to become hub for medical tourism
(Navhind Times)

Panaji June 25 The noted cosmetic and image enhancement
surgeon, Dr Mohan Thomas today said that Goa has a good
potential to become a hub for medical tourism, with the
Confederation of the Indian Industries (CII) endorsing the
idea.

http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=062612


*** Concerns over soil erosion heighten as heavy rains lash Goa
(ANI via Yahoo! India News)

Panaji, June 25 (ANI): With heavy monsoon rains lashing Goa for
the last one week, concerns are being raised that the heavy
showers would haste the process of soil erosion in the coastal
State. The heavy downpour has already caused large-scale soil
erosion resulting in heavy destruction of property and loss of
the fertile upper bed of the soil. Coconut trees and electricity
poles have been ...

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*** Eight more inducted into Goa Cabinet(Lead: Goa Cabinet
expansion) (ANI via Yahoo! India News)

Panaji, June 25 (ANI): Goa Chief Minister Digamber Kamat
expanded his Cabinet today, inducting eight new ministers,
including, six MLAs from the Congress, one from the Nationalist
Congress Party (NCP) and one independent. The swearing in
ceremony was held at Raj Bhavan where Governor S C Jamir
administered oath of secrecy to the new ministers. The new
ministers are Dayanand Narvekar, Philip Nery ...

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*** Video: Goa festival of Monsoon Magic (ANI via Yahoo! India
News)

Goa festival of Monsoon Magic

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*** Goan beaches under threat (Indian Express via Yahoo! India
News)

The famed beaches of Goa are facing a tough battle for survival
following incursion by the sea. Incessant rains that have lashed
Goa in the past one week have seen several beaches disappearing
underwater for the first time in history. The sea has encroached
upon some fragile land and affected the beach cover along with
trees, coconut groves and even houses and shades meant for
boats. Experts have ...

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[Goanet] Tony martins suggestion- and some serious Ducking

2007-06-27 Thread C. A. Bhandare

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By bringing irrelevant issues like ashok chowgule and
sati and many others Dr Colaco has once again tried to
take the moral high ground and conveniently refused to
answer the questions i asked him

If he has any specific questions about what I have
said regarding sati caste and other issues he is
welcome to ask them on a public forum I will try my
best to answer them

It must be noted that with the exception of Mervyn no
one has the answered any points but has only dished
out abuse

remember now, I have very low tolerance for hypocrites
as some posters must have discovered to their dismay
by now. Moreover i also consider bogus responses as a
vindication of my stand

C A Bhandare
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Re: [Goanet] Mindless feasts and some related thoughts/George

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--- George Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> What if Goan expat organizations and associations
> did some of the above instead of their mindless
> events and "fun" conventions to amuse the lowest
> common denominator.
> 
> Oh well... Goans by and large have chosen by their
> actions to be a backward group, their verbal
> protestations notwithstanding.
> 
> Regards,
> George
-

Dear George,
I agree with you about mindless spending. Mindless
spending has become a social norm in Goa. Money which
one can ill afford is spent on celebrating everything
from birth to death and other events not worth
celebrating, betwixt the two. 

I firmly believe this spending is impoverishing Goans,
not just materially but intellectually. Every weekend,
there are parties to attend. When do Goans spend time
rejuvenating their mental faculties? When is time
spent, reading or taking kids out to engage in
activities that might encourage them to think?
Instead, an inordinate amount of time is spent both by
adults and children on attending birday parties,
festas, anniversaries, Lions Club meetings, prayer
meetings, weddings, ross ceremonies, ladains,
funerals, etc and not necessarily in that order.

Imagine if all that money and time was put to more
productive use, such as books, saving for a good
education or an educational trip abroad.

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[Goanet] PORTFOLIO DISTRIBUTION SOON

2007-06-27 Thread godfrey gonsalves

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With the Chief Minister Mr Digamber Kamat returning to
Goa the Ministers are awaiting the notification of the
portfolios a task undertaken by the General
Administration Department. 

Of all the coveted portfolios those relating to 
HOME,(which gets  the entire Police administration
under this portfolio ) usually retained by the CM;   
FINANCE ( nothing moves in the development or non
development areas if the file - work order or
sanctioning the finances is not cleared ) the 
TCP (you get change of land use for a consideration
with this you can fill both the coffers of the Party
the MLA's including those in the  Opposition if it
happens to be in their assembly constituency)
PWD ( you could build projects and ensure that it does
not give way until your term ends rest (85% of the
money is siphoned -- how does this happen visit
Miramar Campal to see the storm drains construction .
Water is precious so is the PWD which takes care of
the distribution and 
IRRIGATION  portfoliowhich provide the resources for
water. The Tillari project is a case in point. 
TOURISM -- though you need not sell Goa's tourism
potential any longer -- theres a lot of money and no
questions asked and a jaunt or two overseas at trade
marts etc; 
EDUCATION  portfolio has suddenly gained importance
with the "Sarv Shikshan Abhiyan " which provides
central funds for ensuring universalisation of 
education.
POWER  portfolio remember - you cant run anything
without power (electricity) 
INDUSTRY  means nothing if power and water supply are
not assured.
IT -- the parks are all important and there is a lot
of money 
SPORTS  portfolio is the cricket stadium planned in
North Goa is given the green signal -- there will be a
flush of funds
HEALTH -- is the in thing -- with speciality
facilities provided by the Government and upgradation
of health centres and Mediclaim or Universal Mediclaim
skim and district Hospitals these are can make it a
lucrative portfolio,
TRANSPORT what with the squabbles of the tourist taxis
aand the unreliable public transport and licences etc
AGRICULTURE is also important for there has been a
uptrend in the allocation for Horticulture etc under
various schemes.

So who should get what? is the question? and the
answer on every Minister's lip is WHY NOT ME?

Therefore when a Minister cries in the name of
development of his constituency one needs to read --
filling the party and coffers of one self.

Incidentally a  debate was raging in Panaji on whether
administering insulin drips to Ms Victoria Fernandes
MLA Santa Cruz still recuperating  at the Vintage
Hospital amounts to breaking the hunger strike or not?

she seems determined to make the Hospital her better
destination until the flutter of allotment of
portfolios is out.

With this those on the sidelines may cook up and be
ready to serve the NEXT GOVERNMENT TO THE PEOPLE OF
GOA.

Meanwhile a hitch has developed with the House being
summoned on the 16th July to pass the cruicial Budget.
 While the questions are to be prepared and kept ready
for the concerned Ministers who are expected to
provide the replies -- it takes 15 days for this
excercise while the Legislative Secretariat needs
atleast five days to prepare for the first days
sitting.

In these circumstances the first week of the Assembly
session may not be conducive for any starred or
unstarred question hour.

Hence Goans await to see what unfurls tonight or early
tommorrow noon.  The latest tip off is that Mr Aleixo
Sequeira may be given the Town and Country Planning
portfolio as a consensus candidate--- for the records
Mr Sequeira a relative of Commissioner of NRI Affairs
is in the liquor industry unlike Mr Ravi Sitaram Naik
-- the 1990 "saint of (land) conversions" and Mr
Digambar Kamat admittedely a realtor.




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[Goanet] Bollywood movie in Panjim

2007-06-27 Thread Cecil Pinto

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Alan Moore  wrote:
I hope you can help me. I am a film actor/writer living in Vermont USA,
but born in Britain.  Traveling India extensively in the late 1980s I
played a part in a Bollywood movie filmed in Panjim in late 1988/ early
1989. I didn't get what the movie was called but the plot revolved
around a boy from Madras marrying a girl from Goa (or the other way
round?) -- anyway the wedding scenes took place in front of a large
white church in Panjim. It was filmed in Hindi, even though we
westerners were told to speak English. The idea for westerners at the
ceremony was to suggest the family hosting the wedding was well-off and
had foreign friends.
I would be delighted to find out what the movie was called and try to
find a copy.
Good health to you,
Alan K. Moore

--


Dear Alan,

Good health to you too. All the best in your search. If you can give me the 
name of some local contacts associated with the movie I could track them 
down and find out the name of the movie.

As an amateur sociologist though I am more interested in the statement you 
made, "The idea for westerners at the ceremony was to suggest the family 
hosting the wedding was well-off and had foreign friends." Probably true of 
a Bollywood movie, specially of the 1980s. In fact 2 years back there was a 
feature article in the Mumbai newspapers about firms that hired out 
foreigner 'guests' for parties and weddings to make it appear that the host 
moved in top circles. A typical B-grade Bollywood movie watcher probably 
does think that white skins are in some way superior, or at least richer.

In Goa though thanks to many more years of foreign occupation and closer 
interaction we don't have that sort of attitude towards foreigners. In fact 
after the flower power children made complete fools of themselves stoned on 
our beaches we started looking on the white man as being slightly cracked, 
in a manner of speaking. Now too the charter trash tourists we attract are 
so intellectually and culturally impoverished that we have a generic 
contempt for most foreigner tourists and indulge them only because thanks 
to the currency advantage they have a bit of spending money.

In South Goa though some people from the hotel industry still behave like 
B-Grade Bollywood movie watchers. In North Goa we saw and measured up cheap 
foreigner tourists long back and treat them no different from others.

There are of course rare exceptions.

Cheers!

Cecil

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Re: [Goanet] Bhandares lie--request to mervyn

2007-06-27 Thread Mervyn Lobo

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"C. A. Bhandare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dear Mervyn,
> You wrote:
> 'All of us read a post from Santosh enquiring if you
> were a Ms."
> 
> I am surprised because I dint read it.Can you please
> provide a reference?


C A BHandar,
I took a quick look at the archives and it seems like
Santosh did not ask that question. However, someone
else did as I clearly remember being surprised by that
question. 

Santosh's post was if your name was Chinmay.
Here is the ref:
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2007-June/058350.html

It would be nice to know the answer to both questions.

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[Goanet] List of police stations in Goa...

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State / UT  DistrictPolice Station
GOA
ANTI CORRUPTION
ANTI CORRUPTION
C I D
ANTI CORRUPTION BRANCH
ANTI NARCOTICS CELL
CRIME BRANCH
WOMEN P.S
NORTH GOA
AGACAIM / GOA VELHA
ANJUNA
BICHOLIM
CALANGUTE
COLLEM
MAPUSA
OLD GOA
PANAJI
PERNEM
PONDA
PORVORIM/BETIM
VALPOI
SOUTH GOA
CANACONA
COLVA
CUNCOLIM
CURCHOREM
KONKAN RAILWAY
MAINA CURTORIM
MARGAO TOWN
MORMUGAO HARBOUR PS
QUEPEM
SANGUEM
VASCO
VASCO RAILWAYS
VERNA

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stations, and which was provided by the National Crime Records Bureau,
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[Goanet] Archbishop Ferrao for Rome

2007-06-27 Thread Diocesan Centre for Social Communications Media - Goa

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Archbishop Ferrao for Rome


Archbishop Filipe Neri Ferrao is in Rome since Monday, the 25th of June, in 
connection with the "Pallium Ceremony," which is to take place in the 
Basilica of St. Peter, on the 29th, Feast of the Apostles Sts. Peter and 
Paul. This annual ceremony sees the Pope investing with the Pallium those 
who have been appointed Metropolitan Archbishops in the previous 12 months. 
It may be recalled that the Archbishop of Goa  became a Metropolitan when 
the neighbouring diocese of Sindhudurg was made a suffragan of Goa, November 
last year. Goa had indeed been a Metropolitan Archdiocese since its 
foundation in 1557 till 1976, when its last suffragans - Macau and Timor - 
were detached from it.

The Pallium, worn by the Pope and by Metropolitan Archbishops over their 
vestments, on formal religious ceremonies, is made of white wool and 
symbolizes the sheep that is carried on the shoulders of the Good Shepherd 
(Jesus Christ). It also symbolizes the Pope's concession of authority and 
communion to heads of major local Churches. Fifty one Metropolitans from all 
over the world will receive the Pallium this year, among whom Archbishops 
Oswald Gracias of Bombay, Albert D'Souza of Agra, Leo Cornelio of Bhopal and 
Dominic Lumon of Imphal (Manipur).

During his stay in Rome, Abp. Ferrao will also meet Cardinal Ivan Dias, Abp. 
Blasco Collaco and Goan  priests, nuns and lay people living in that city. 
Before returning to Goa on July 10, he will spend a few days with family 
members living in Germany.


Fr. J. Loiola Pereira
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D.C.S.C.M.


Archbishop's House, Panjim
June 27, 2007



[Goanet] On the role of film in branding a place

2007-06-27 Thread pdesouza

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Quite clearly the GOA VCD project was a blunder. As I see it, what the 
Protugese did or did not do centuries ago is of little relevance to the growth 
and development needs of modern day Goa. 
Those responsible for the project failed, created a PR disaster and even also 
lost a branding opportunity. 

A Reader's Digest version of necessary conditions for a place to successfully 
brand itself:

1) Private industry and the government need to be on the same page.
2) Media needs to be brought on board.
3) The message associated with the place needs to be constantly refreshed.

This condensed news item is a nice example of how film has tremendous potential 
to alter the brand of a place. 

CARTAGENA, Colombia (BRANDFlash) -- One need look no further than Colombia or 
New Zealand to understand how motion pictures have become the most potent 
marketing force for a country brand. 

Global perceptions of both nations have been affected in opposite ways by 
recent Hollywood fare such as "Mr. and Mrs. Smith" and "Lord of the Rings." And 
other countries are moving more seriously into moviemaking as a brand-enhancing 
marketing strategy. For instance, Dubai has launched an entire studio city 
designed to lure the world's filmmakers to a different view of the Middle East.


--- "Frederick [FN] Noron  ha * ??? 
?? ??  ???"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 
> I believe in free expression... but I also believe
> there are limits to it.
> The problem with the Deo-Parrikar-BJP VCD in Goa
> wasn't whether it was
> factual or otherwise, but that it sought to make
> religious conflict and
> strife the focus of a 21st century State in a
> secular country. 
---

Film, like news media, has a very important role to
play in a secular state. It is one of the most
effective mechanisms used to influence thought in the
21st century. Hollywood for instance has been
remarkable in its ability to shape public opinion be
it on gay rights, racial issues, historical
perspectives or political activities. Hollywood, is an
industry that is as feared by politicians as the
plague and as courted as an unrequiting lover. 

It is imperative that film and its distribution are
treated with the utmost objectivity and discipline. I
don't know what role Bollywood and its other
counterparts, play in shaping public opinion, but it
is time that they took on more meaningful subjects
such as embracing the concept of nationhood,
overcoming the caste and communal divide, population,
etc, rather than just frivolous, song and dance
potboilers.

selma


   



[Goanet] THE CLERGY AND POLITICS.

2007-06-27 Thread Averthan D'Souza

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THE CLERGY AND POLITICS.

Averthanus L. D'Souza.

   Because of the rather large population of Catholics in Goa - approx.
30% - the local political dynamics take on a special flavour.  There is
supposedly a "Catholic vote bank"  which the major political parties take
into consideration when they formulate their policies and when they plan
their election strategies.  While it is true that a large proportion of the
electorate is composed of Catholics,  it is incorrect to assume that the
Catholics constitute a "vote bank."This is quite evident from the fact
that Catholics are members of  (or support) a variety of political parties.
Apart from the major national parties, there are several small "local"
parties  (sometimes referred to as "regional" parties)  which have enjoyed
the support of the Catholics.


   In the recent past,  it became evident that the Congress Party
became complacent about the so-called "Catholic vote,"   assuming that the
Catholics would vote Congress because of its secular credentials.   In
contrast, the BJP  (the Bharatiya Janata Party)   went out of its way to
project its own so-called "secular" image  by giving prominent positions to
Catholics.   In order to promote  the myth that the Catholics supported the
BJP because of its "secular" character, the BJP used subterfuges  and tricks
to attract the support of Catholics.   At the time of the destruction of the
Babri Masjid mosque in Ayodhya,  the BJP went to the extent of  organizing a
march starting from the island of Divar  which was  led by a prominent,
senior Catholic legal luminary.   This Senior Advocate later denounced the
BJP and made a public announcement that he was misinformed about the real
purpose of the march, and that he was duped into believing that it was a
march to commemorate Goa's freedom.  He went on record to state that if he
had been told that the march was intended to culminate in the demolishing of
the Babri Masjid in Ayodhya, he would never have consented to participate in
it.On another occasion,  a Catholic Member of the Legislative Assembly
was projected as being a member of the BJP.   When the BJP  government was
in a crisis,  his signature was forged on an application form asking for
primary membership of the Party.   When this MLA publicly declared that he
had no truck with the BJP,   he was physically removed from the Assembly
during one of its sessions.

   In the midst of all these political manoeuvrings  the clergy of Goa
(as also of other Dioceses)   are faced with some difficult choices when it
comes to advising their parishioners about making judicious political
choices.   There is a clear distinction between political principles  which
are adopted by the different Political Parties  and practical politics as
exercised by these parties.   The Ecclesiastical authorities are very
careful to issue guidelines of an "ethical"  nature  which will assist the
ordinary Catholic to understand the issues which are at stake.   At no
point, and under  no circumstance does the Church exhort its faithful to
choose any one particular party over another; or one particular candidate
over another.The freedom of conscience of the Catholic citizen is always
scrupulously respected.   The guidelines issued are only meant to be
"guidelines"  -  not directives.   It happens, only too frequently, that
individual Catholics look to their pastors for advice on the way that they
should cast their vote.   The Ecclesiastical authorities are very explicit
that in these circumstances, the priests should exercise extreme caution so
as not to influence the lay Catholics towards one political party or
another.As pastors, they are expected to offer ethical guidance - not
political directives.In spite of this,  Goa has seen some of the clergy
openly canvassing for a particular candidate or for a particular political
party.There are even reports that these priests (mis)use the pulpit to
air their own personal political preferences.Such behaviour can only
harm the unity of the Catholic community and divide the parishioners along
political lines   The primary role of a pastor is to foster communal harmony
and to unite the people on the basis of  basic ethical values.   A priest
should be seen - first and foremost - as a "pastor"  rather than as a
political or social scientist.

   The question which has arisen, and which is agitating many Catholics
is whether a priest should actively accompany a candidate during his house
to house visits to canvass sup

[Goanet] Meet & greet with George Pinto

2007-06-27 Thread Kevin Saldanha

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GoaNetters in the Greater Toronto Area will have an opportunity to
meet with George Pinto of Goa Sudharop in Mississauga this coming
Sunday, July 1st.  George will be in town for the weekend and has
accepted an invitation from the local GoaNetters and other interested
individuals to share a meal and speak to us about his passions.

We have reserved a section of Mad Hatters Pub in Mississauga (on
Eglinton at Heritage Hills - between Hurontario and Mavis) for 1:00pm
this Sunday which also happens to be the 140th birthday of Canada.
Consequently, it is a long weekend here in Canada but we already have
a committment from at least a dozen people who will be attending.

Anyone else planning on attending, please let me know at vegvet at
gmail.com or call (number below) so that we can arrange appropriate
seating.  The venue is an English style pub owned by an ex-Kenyan
Indian which has become a favourite haunt for the local Goans.

Sincerely,

Kevin Saldanha
Mississauga, ON.
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[Goanet] konkanism

2007-06-27 Thread C. A. Bhandare

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Dear All,

Another konkaniism favorite is the use of the word
"only" for added emphasis

ex: "to saamkoch piso" would be "he is mad only"

Regards

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Re: [Goanet] From repositioning Goa to Goans in America

2007-06-27 Thread Mervyn Lobo

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I am sharing ideas based on emerging macro trends in
> the U.S. The reality may differ around the world 
> and I am interested in learning about that in areas 
> that may have relevance to Goa. In this particular
> instance it happened to be Tourism.
> 
> You outburst however appears to be targeted at
> American policies around the world and against 
> opinions that originate from people who are 
> resident in America. Did the information source 
> taint the message?. 
 

Peter,
It's a strange media we are participating with. My
reply was intended as a humorous response, you
perceived it as an outburst :-) 

To make it even funnier (am I wrong in presuming yours
is a humorous post too?) both your ASSumptions are,
well, not so right. I have no desire in targeting
"residents in America" since I am one myself. As far
as targeting "American policies around the world," I
think you have been on the receiving end of so much
b/s, for so long, that you are on the verge of
paranoia. Let me assure you that even though I am not
with you, I am also not against you.

Now as far as information sources are concerned, you
did not provide any. Nada. I am looking forward to
your explanation on how an info source you did not
disclose, could be tainted. 

Lastly, IMHO Goans in Goa have the best ideas about
tourism. All that they require is the financing. I
would like to know what YOUR ideas are on the same
topic. Is that too much to ask?

Mervyn3.0

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asked us to close our eyes and pray with him. When we
opened our eyes we had the bible and he had the land."
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Re: [Goanet] A suggestion

2007-06-27 Thread Frederick [FN] Noronha * फरॆडरीक नोरोनया

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On 27/06/07, Carvalho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I hope this isn't instituted as another goanet rule.
> As a woman, I simply won't be able to comply with a
> telephone no or address. I get even perverse mail as
> it is. I can however provide it privately to any
> goanet moderator :-)

This isn't a rule as yet... and even if it became one, I guess it
would be the moderators who could do the verification that persons
exist, and are whom they claim they are!

Just for discussion sake, does your above argument stem from the
exaggerated North American (particularly US) concerns over that
bug-bear called 'privacy'? Or is it just a clever argument?

AFAIK, half (or so) of the listings on the telephone directory in most
parts of the globe is made up of women! --FN


[Goanet] Kuwait Airways seeks for more flights from Kuwait to India vice versa

2007-06-27 Thread Santos Carmo

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Kuwait Airways seeks for more flights from Kuwait to India vice versa

"Kuwait is a developed country in the world of today. Kuwait has its own oil 
reserves which is enough for another 10 decades to maintain.

The undersigned is living and working in this country for the last 3 decades 
and that too in shipping and airline industry. This is the first time I came 
across in last 28 years that Kuwait Airways is threatening AIR-INDIA and 
INDIAN AIRLINES during summer peak hoildays season in demand of more flights 
to India which is rediculus and shameful.

Kuwait Airways should have raised this issue during off-season and serve 
notices to Air India and Indian Airlines atleast 6 months in advance. During 
this 6 months  if both countries fail to solve the contentious issue 
amicably then all our Indian summer passengers could have grace period to 
choose their airlines of choice for their holidays without any inconvience 
caused to them.

Kuwait Airways have 30 flights a week to India. In addition, Jazeera Airways 
is flying daily to India and whatelse they want more? Air India and Indian 
Airlines don't have a daily flight from India to Kuwait, instead opened the 
doors to Kuwait Airways and Jazeera Airways to operate their daily flights 
to India.

Out of the 600,000 Indians in Kuwait a major share of air-traffic have been 
controlled by Kuwait Airways compared to any other airlines in the world.

All the world dailies are having headlines of Kuwait Airways,Air-India, 
Indian Airlines and all its passengers who have booked their tickets for 
July,2007 and who have already travelled to India.

In my opinion Government of Kuwait should intervene and solve the issue as 
fast as possible so that our people can travel as per their bookings made 
earlier without any further disturbances.

Kuwait and India have excellant bilaterial relationship for the last 5 
decades and this relation should not be jeopardise by Kuwait Airways alone.

Let us join hands and work for a better tomorrow.

Carmo Santos
In Service of Indian Commuinity in Kuwait.
Dated: 27th June, 2007




[Goanet] mindless feasts and jatras

2007-06-27 Thread C. A. Bhandare

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Dear George:

I think village feasts/jatras/urs etc are a outlet for
a vast majority of people to have some fun 
Ditto for picnics and get togethers, be they in
america or india.

why would a temple organise a job fair or a masjid
organise a wildlife protection week? arent there other
registered organizations which have been created for
the express purpose of the activities u mentioned?

Lions club,PETA, greenpeace etc as well as many local
ones.

Goans or for that matter no community can be termed
backward for celebrating feasts and jatras

One can always appeal to and wish that the more well
off people who contribute generously to a "havan
program" where lakhs of rupees worth of ghee and
sandalwood is burnt or golden domes are erected on top
of temples would show the same generosity when it
comes to civic causes like providing education and
health for the poor

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Re: [Goanet] A suggestion

2007-06-27 Thread Philomena Fernandes

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I too am in favour of Anthony M. Baretto's suggestion.  

Miss Philomena Fernandes

Mob : +965 9020943

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[Goanet] Reply to Albert concerning Bosco

2007-06-27 Thread edward desilva

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At least Bosco does not have the - 'I'm holier than thou attitude'

ED


hollow baseless religion of showing armours,crowns,and wealth. I do not 
think
Bosco knows much more about catholicism than I do.
albert 



[Goanet] Bhandare /Colaco - When all has been said - -

2007-06-27 Thread eric pinto

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Has our friend claimed to be a male,  i may have missed it.   The person is 
so obviously bright, and well informed.  The comparison with Macao ends 
there: because Bhandare is sensitive, to the point that i feel some of the 
pain he/she appears to know, even when i disagree with the arguement 
proferred. There is a certain feminine touch to the plaintiveness that i 
would be hard pressed to display or mimic.
  Sr. Colaco scares the lights out me : i know where he comes from, and i 
dont want to be there. His is a sad world, one he shares with just himself. 
One could mention professional help,  and it's possibly not too late for 
help, but water tends to swirl under a bridge ---
  I would ask Ms/Mr. Bhandare to forego controversy and resort to private 
conversation with us, after a stink - bomb to the Pearl River delta. 
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[Goanet] Attacks on Christians in India: An Analysis

2007-06-27 Thread Vidyadhar Gadgil

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Hindustan Times
June 27, 2007

A HEAVY CROSS TO BEAR

by Harsh Mander

Gusts of hot winds have scorched India's hills, 
plains, valleys and forests. These winds are of 
hatred manufactured systematically against 
bitterly demonised communities. The campaigns of 
hate that target the populous Muslim community 
are better known than those mounted against the 
tiny Christian minority who peacefully inhabit 
most corners of this diverse land.

The attacks on Christians, unlike in Hindu-Muslim 
riots, very rarely involve mass clashes between 
people of Christian and non-Christian faiths. 
Instead, the intimidation takes mainly three 
other forms.  The first is of violent assaults on 
Christian priests, rape of nuns of numerous 
denominations, destruction and desecration of 
churches and chapels, and burning of Bibles. 
These have recurred with growing frenzy since 
1997-98, when a priest was paraded naked in 
Dumka, and nuns were raped in Jhabua and 
Mayurbhan. In the same district, a priest was 
murdered in 1999. Churches were destroyed in the 
Dangs in Gujarat in 1998. India's then Home 
Minister LK Advani admitted in Parliament that 
there were 400 attacks on Christian priests, nuns 
and churches between 1998 and 2000.

These attacks have continued unabated in the new 
century and recently spread to cities. The 
intensity of these attacks may be gauged by the 
fact that in the month of May 2007 alone, 
physical attacks on priests were reported from 
locations in Jharkhand, Madhya Pradesh, 
Karnataka, Tamil Nadu, Rajasthan, Kerala, Orissa, 
Maharashtra, Chhatisgarh, Andhra Pradesh and 
Uttar Pradesh. There was a common pattern, of 
armed mobs of Hindutva activists thrashing the 
priests, often in front of their families, 
sometimes proudly before the cameras of invited 
television channels, accusing them of propagating 
a 'foreign' religion by fraud, insulting the 
Hindu faith and demanding that they are 
permanently expelled. The police, on occasion, 
accompanied the mobs, but rarely restrained or 
registered complaints against the attackers. 
Instead, at times, it arrested the priests.

A second form of intimidation is when converts 
themselves are attacked. A people's tribunal 
convened by Angana Chatterji and Mihir Desai 
painstakingly tracks the frightening sequence of 
such recent attacks for the state of Orissa 
alone. Their long and chilling litany includes: 
in 1999, 157 Christian homes were set ablaze in 
Ranalai village, and three people suffered 
gunshot wounds; in 2003, seven women converts and 
a pastor were forcibly tonsured in Kilipal 
village, and a socio-economic boycott imposed on 
them; 15 homes were burnt in 2005 in Gandhavati 
village, and so on.

The third strategy for intimidation is of 
mobilising large masses for 're-conversion' ghar 
wapsi ceremonies, mainly in tribal regions, in 
which thousands of alleged Christian converts are 
welcomed 'home' to Hinduism. Dilipsingh Judeo, 
BJP leader (caught receiving bribes in a 
television sting) who led the campaign with 
vicious speeches goading violence against 
converts, claimed in 1999 that by then 1,65,000 
persons were reconverted. But all such claims are 
highly exaggerated, because independent 
investigations confirm that the majority of those 
who are bundled for these rallies are not 
converts to start with. Also most tribal people 
were not Hindus in the first place, but animists 
who worship the wind, forests, hills and animals 
that inhabit their world. 

The Sangh propaganda is fuelling the attacks on 
Christians.These attacks are justified by the 
Sangh and its supporters as righteous expressions 
of mass popular resistance by an enraged Hindu 
majority against allegedly anti-national 
machinations of Christian missionaries. It is 
claimed that these missionaries coerce and bribe 
hapless dispossessed tribal people and Dalits 
with their foreign funded educational and health 
services, into the 'foreign' Christian faith. At 
its most extravagant, the missionaries are 
depicted as instruments of the CIA and the Pope 
with the mission to evangelise all of India and 
reduce Hindus to a minority. Sangh propaganda 
graphically depicts this alleged clash of 
patriots with traitors in pamphlets, posters and 
more recently CDs, through emotive images such as 
of the cross being triumphantly pierced by a 
trishul or trident and dripping with blood, or 
comparing the destruction of churches with Ram's 
final assault on the demon Ravana.

These claims find a sympathetic echo among many 
midd

Re: [Goanet] Reply to Bosco

2007-06-27 Thread Jerry Fernandes

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Dear Albert

You are a good writer and you do like to educate your readers with the 
knowledge you have but than are you right all the time? I have noticed that 
you don't like criticism in what you write although you should be thankful 
for that, cause atleast you would know that there are people who read your 
articles if not, umtea kolsear udok, isnt it? All your wisdom is wasted only 
on the computer? Well maybe you must be getting lots of private mails 
praising you for your writings, than that is good too. I don't know why you 
don't like catholicism, yet you say you are a catholic.

There is are verses in the bible which says Do not Judge, yet you are using 
all your energies in Judging others.

Check Mathew 7:1-2
1"Stop judging, that you may not be judged.
2 For as you judge, so will you be judged, and the measure with which you 
measure will be measured out to you.

Luke 6:37
"Stop judging and you will not be judged. Stop condemning and you will not 
be condemned. Forgive and you will be forgiven.

James 4:12; There is one lawgiver and judge who is able to save or to 
destroy. Who then are you to judge your neighbor?

Cheers

Jerry Fernandes 



[Goanet] God is my buddy

2007-06-27 Thread edward desilva

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Dear  Allwycntc,
Regards you belief below. That is what the world believed and said towards 
Hitler and did nothing about it. And, look what we got.
Now the new phrase is: DOING NOTHING IS NOT THE SOLUTION.
Read some MODERN history before you come on this site.
--
From: allwyntc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
RSS, BJP, and VHP exist, just as the Catholic Church exists, and
nothing we say will change that in the near future.  And there are
real human beings that are members in these organizations.  And that
begs respect in conversation with each other. 



Re: [Goanet] Prayer Service.

2007-06-27 Thread CORNEL DACOSTA

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Hi Percival

To you my namesake (although surname spelt slightly differently) I'd like to 
urge you to press upon the priests in Goa, starting with the Archbishop, the 
need to preach powerfully, from the pulpit, against the hypocricy and 
abomination of caste racism in the hearts and minds of so many Catholic 
Goans in Goa and elsewhere.

Re my point above, do you see the link "to preach about love" that you make 
in your post and can you recall any priest taking a stance against caste 
racism in recent times? I'd be delighted to know!
Cornel DaCosta

Percival Decosta  wrote:
There is so much hue and cry regarding the Prayer Service held at S. Jose De
Areal.
I can't imagine why some People and the Catholic Church has politized this
Issue.
& U know what? I wish the Archdiocese can do something to advise our Priest
to preach love and not hatred. To Love your enemies and not hate your
Enemies,
as not to use the pulpit to address an pulpit deceitfully.

Re: S. Jose de Areal Incident: A Clarification from the
Archdiocese (George Pinto) 



[Goanet] Religious Postings - Reply to Kamlaksh and Bhandare

2007-06-27 Thread edward desilva

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Hi,
I would not have entered this Religious Debate if it was not for the 
Parrikar's RSS and his BJP party banning Easter in Goa, Holy Easter/Good 
Friday is on par with Ganesh, (Christmas is NOT called HOLY, just 
Christmas).

Hindus can call Kali Mata (the human blood drinker) a goddess, and have a 
public holiday in Bengal; why did Parrikar pick on Christian HOLY day?

Kamlaksh will be correct to put the wrong right and stick to the point, HOW 
& WHY THIS DEBATE STARTED in the first place.

And, Bhandare will do us a favour and confess that there is NO hypocrisy 
regarding St Francis Xavier and paedophilia in the Catholic Community.
1. St Francis Xavier did not kill any human - the military during his time 
did, just like Hitler who did not kill any body, the Germans did (Hitler was 
Austrian), just like Poonam Devi (Bandit Queen) did not kill any body. St 
Francis like Rama is Innocent of killing Mythical Ravana or people in Goa, 
their associates did.
2. Paedophilia exists, it is not hypocrisy.

FINALLY, LET ME SAY THAT STOPPING GOOD FRIDAY HOLIDAY IS NOT THE ACT OF GOOD 
PEOPLE.
ED.
-
kamlaksh is correct that we need to focus on issues
related to goa and I respect his decision not to post
any thing related to religion but I must tell him that
bigotry and falsehood flourishes precisely because
good people do nothing

regards

C A Bhandare



[Goanet] Radio Indigo to launch in Goa on 28 June

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Radio Indigo 91.9 FM will hit the shores of Goa on 28
June. And it will kick off with the 'Big Breakfast'
show at 7 am.

This show will be followed by 'Day Crippin' hosted by
RJ Meghana. The general programming format for the Goa
station will be similar to the one followed by the
Bangalore station. Even a devotional hour between 6 –
7 am will be replicated from the Bangalore station,
except on Sunday mornings when Gospel Music will be
played, as opposed to Sanskrit devotional music. Jazz
and country genres will be more prominent at the
station.

According to an official announcement the programming
of radio station follows the CHR format (Contemporary
Hit Radio). This is a compilation of hits from around
the world with a distinctly Goa slant.

There are genre specific shows over the weekend, which
will play Jazz, Retro, Country, World Music and Hard
Rock. Programming also includes three internationally
syndicated countdowns namely The American top 40 with
Ryan Seacrest, of American Idol fame, The American Top
20 countdown with Casey Kasem, the father of the radio
countdown and Putumayo World Music Hour – the music
from around the world on one show.


Said Radio Indigo director and COO Sanjay Prabhu, "Goa
has an inherited international music legacy. Radio
Indigo will nurture that love for International
music." Incidentally, Radio Indigo is the only station
that entirely plays international music.

National programming director Geoffrey G Thomas said,
"Radio Indigo will serve up the best music of today
dating back to the 70's."

Station head Jeffrey Manuel said, "Radio Indigo will
be Goa's true identity – cosmopolitan, vibrant, fresh,
energetic and non-conformist."

Radio Indigo has deployed 'Rhode and Schwarz
Transmitter.' to ensure the station output is of the
highest quality.

This is the second station from Rajiv Chandrasekhar's
Jupiter Entertainment Ventures (JEV) stable. It is
building and growing two brands in the entertainment
space: Indigo and Asianet. While Indigo represents the
non-mass premium brand, Asianet reflects the regional
mass market.
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