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Hi Kevin,

I asked you a simple question. You did not have an answer.

Neither could you give me three to five (or even one) example of KC doing the 
bidding of the Vatican contrary to the interest of Catholic Americans or 
America. Do you think American Catholics are unable on their own to evaluate 
and articulate morality?
  
The efforts of KC to financially and socially help poor Catholics are very 
commendable.  It is very likely you (and other ungrateful and perennial 
Church-bashers on Goanet) were the beneficiary of the kindness and sacrifices 
of the KC and the Catholic Church during your upbringing and in time of crises.

Your string of anti-Catholic posts, as an ex-Catholic and an atheist, are an 
insensitive, offensive claptrap.  You are utilizing your language skills and 
your self-acclaimed morality to display a showy, insincere empty talk.  Your 
contemptible, crude and deceptive attacks, on the religion you divorced 
yourself from, are intended only to get an applause or notice. Don't you have 
any shame?  Most atheists I know have much higher morals and decency standards.

Regards, GL

---- Kevin Saldanha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

Read the book 'Parish Priest', Gilbert. Then read 'The Hiram Key' by Knight and 
Lomas

--------- Gilbert Lawrence:
Can the author tell us where the "poor Irish immigrants from the church" were 
defecting to?

-----------  "Kevin Saldanha" 
 
as a prior member of this 'men's club' who has been sworn to secrecy, I thought 
I'd pass on some history which may not be available through Google. 
 
a secret society that was created to stem the defection of poor Irish 
immigrants from the Church.  Fr. Michael McGiveney used the model of the most 
successful secret society, Freemasonry, to create a Catholic men's organization 
that would look after the financial interests of the poor Catholic families in 
the Boston area.  
 
The fraternal brotherhood of the Knights of Columbus has also morphed into a 
formidable political force, using their influence through the dwindling 
Catholic congregations to promote the political agenda of the Vatican without 
incurring the penalties which would arise from overt interference by the Church 
into matters of the State.

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