Re: [Goanet] Going soft on Narvenkar
Read this : http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=061411 It was also informed that the legislature wing of the BJP will decide its independent course of action against Mr Narvekar, during the Monsoon Session of the state Assembly, if he continues to hold the office. The onus of sacking the governor is on the President. Sacking a minister is in the hands of the Chief Minister. -Cajetan Rego --- On Wed, 6/18/08, cedrico dacosta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: cedrico dacosta [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] Going soft on Narvenkar To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Date: Wednesday, June 18, 2008, 11:41 AM Going soft on Narvenkar Even after being framed in a scandal involving corruption of a high degree...Narvenkar still continues to hold the finance portfolio in the current ministry. That any of the current 40 legislators from any of the parties in Goa have any ethics and are purely driven by greed of the kodel is a well dramatised fact. I feel that in a democracy, it is not only the party in power, but also the opposition is to be blamed if such corrupt people are continuing in power. We take great pride in trying to blame the chief minister and the ruling congress...but open your eyes wide...see if the leader of opposition is doing his role well... See the logic...the opposition goes up to the president to seek the removal of a governor...but goes soft on a framed minister of the ruling party... At the height of the alleged molestation case that featured the same minister...it was the guts of the then leader of opposition ramakanth khalap, ably supported by the students lobby that led a defiant narvenkar to finally budge in and resign... Today, nobody seems to go for Narvenkar? And all this assemblies and mobs claiming to save Goa? First step to save Goa is to get rid of tainted ministers...but then if that happens..there are hardly any among the current 40 that are not tainted? Cedric D Dubai
Re: [Goanet] June 18 -- Let the Revolution Begin
Well, yes Telo was charged with bigamy. For that he got what 10 to 12 years in jail? Historical data has shown how the Portuguese worked against the nationalists. I am not sure but I think Telo, on his return, was bypassed for the supervisor's post in All-India Radio, Delhi and the post given it to Laxmanrao Sardesai, a Saraswat Brahmin, also a freedom fighter. Did not Sardesai later become editor of Goa Today and then Ambassador to Angola? We have seen on goanet how the little info on Agente Monteiro brought an avalanche of information, including personal views from Monteiro's son. I think Fred wrote a wrote on it for IANS or Goa Today. Similarly, journalists in Goa could do some more digging into Telo's life and also verify what I have written. Some Goa-based and some Portugal-based historians are members of goanet and they could shed more light. I myself wanted to do my Ph. D in Goa's freedom struggle through long-distance learning from Goa University but was denied because of residential qualification as I lived in Canada. I had approached Teotonio de Souza to be my guide, if I remember correctly. I lost the opportunity to do my doctorate when the late Dr. George Mark Moraes, the doyen of Goan historians, offered to be my guide. I foolishly went to join a law college after my post-graduation. I have gone through tmany books on Goa's freedom struggle and also the Who's Who (in two volumes) by my friend and ex-college Prakash Shirodkar, the former director of Goa's archives (forget the name of the institution). One other historian also offered to be my guide. I write this because Goa's freedom struggle has been one of my favourite subjects. I have discussed this subject with many freedom fighters and also with Prof. Rubinoff, the Toronto academic who wrote India's Use of Force in Goa for his doctorate. As I said earlier, I do not have my books with me in Dubai. So it become a big problem. I just wrote a piece on Bombay Goans and I had to jog my memory. I could not remember lot of names and incidents and could remember some very faintly. Another example is the postings on Goan women hockey internationals. I could not remember many names and thanks to some goanetters who provided clarifications and verifications. Just is the nature of goanet and it should remain that way. However, I am surprised that JC and PC were ticked off by my writing on June 18. I have spoken from the heart that some those who I mentioned may have been bit disappointed with the way things turned out after liberation. That's the price one pays. Freedom has its own price. Coming to another relevant topice that of freedom fighters being given monthly pension or monetary rewards or compensation, I do not find anything wrong with it. Many freedom fighters fell on bad days. They suffered a lot. It is for the freedom fighters to decline such offers by saying that they did it for the country and with their hearts. I don't think any of the freedom fighters took part in the freedom movement with an eye to getting financial rewards. I doubt the thought ever came to their minds. Unfortunately, some freedom fighters got big rewards through government posts, etc, while the majority were found fighting for bread (not butter) each day. In my reading and also meeting with freedom fighters, I have known that the credentials of some of the FF were not wanting. I know that some were just freedom shouters and some were just arsonists. Maybe the children of the FF also joined their parents by just shouting slogans against the Portuguese and now that they have grown up they lay claim to being FF. JoeGoaUK's mock post makes one take notice that everything is not alright in the government's approach to granting compensation to those who suddenly claim to be freedom fighters. I think in the past the FF society or group has objected to certain persons being called FF. I just read a bit of Flaviano Dias's (my ex-colleague at Free Press Journal) piece on June 18 and I agree that Dr. Juliao Menezes was largely forgotten for his role. It is the misfortune of history that Ram Monohar Lohia had a larger image and that Dr. Menezes's own persona and role got overshadowed in the swell of things of the time. I wish if someone could post me or post it to goanet Flaviano's piece. In a decade or less, many of the FF would be dead and gone. Whatever one may say, June 18 will remain symbolic in more sense than one. It would remain more glorious that the actual Liberation Day. The freedom struggle had its own share of factional groups and most of its history is now written. Yet, more needs to be written and I am not sure if any more thesis are in the works on this subject. Eugene
[Goanet] Moderator's cut
-- Moderator's Cut... well the best way to do justice to a gutterish post that slipped the moderators vigiliance is to ignore it and not discuss it... Afterall moderators are humans too...right! as by discussing we are giving the hidden agenda more publicity through the backdoor...actually a push further... 2008...we are still discovering various new ways of gaining cheap and free publicity... That post stinked from the first line...worst than the sonsoddo garbage stink in Margao...or the panjim open gutters... cedric da costa dubai (if you have a point...make it...be bold, not cold!)
Re: [Goanet] UAE JOB VACANCIES
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[Goanet] Accounts and expenditures of NGOs
-Accounts and Expenditures of NGO's Lionel is doing a fab job on getting the figures of expenditures of the legislators... i am sure if you annalyse the bills...it is mostly a few of the hotels and caterers that are preferred, definately there is some cut there... Also, it would be nice to look into the bills of various NGO's in Goa and check who spends on the lavish parties thrown at 5 stars in Goa in the name of catching the RAPIST n all those revolutionary save goa organisations... the source of funds of the various save goa organisations springing overnight at every nook and corner of Goa would tell an interesting tale...and bring to light the real motives of these groups... I feel that in Goa...launching a save goa group is a big business...its like an extortion racket... groups claiming to kick off the revolution to save goa have been operating for several years but i see not an inch of Goa being saved...in fact large parts of goa are gettin submerged, and lost...in front of the very noses of the saviours... There are some vested interests also trying to polarise the communities...mob mentality is being preached...Goans are incited...unnecessarily provoked...various forms of the media are used to project an exxagerated version of Goas decline...the peace of the state is being slowly turned into a state of hatred and malice and filty words are used by filty minds to forward the hidden agenda... Goans be vary...not all have Goa at heart, but hidden personal agendas... Time will tell... Cedric da Costa UAE
[Goanet] Euro 2008 Quarter Finals
One of the standard charge against Christiano Ronaldo is that he scores heaps of goals against lower ranked teams but comes a cropper against the stronger ones. Ronaldo will have the opportunity to prove himself to his critics once again when Portugal takes on Germany in the Euro 08 quarter finals. This will be difficult as he is likely to find himself heavily marked in this game, just as Zidane was by Materazzi in the FIFA World Cup Finals. Hopefully, for the sake of Portugal and all its fans, Ronaldo will let his feet do all the talking, will ignore the Pakle burr remarks and will use his head only for scoring goals, not for anything else! My Prediction is 2-1 in favour of Portugal. Cheers! Sandeep
Re: [Goanet] Cardinal's speech
--- On Wed, 6/18/08, Fr. Ivo C da Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Science together with religion should discuss the phenomena that led to the acceptance of reincarnation and exorcism. The above reveals a fundamental and fatal misunderstanding about the nature and purpose of science. Science must neither be mixed with religious thinking in general nor with the tenets of any particular religion in any discussion about natural phenomena. The ignorance about natural phenomena that led to the superstitions of reincarnation and exorcism, has been thoroughly dispelled by neurobiological evidence and insight i.e. by science alone. Cheers, Santosh
[Goanet] Our legacy for future generations of Goans, courtesy of Goanet.
I thank Cornel for his courage and honesty. Cornel's post clearly demonstrates what I always believed: Posts by a number of authors (me included) are nothing else but a waste of time, space and bandwidth. Often our written claims lack integrity, factual credibility and in some cases also lack substantial legal sufficiency, which, in essence and all put together, leads to most claims, conclusions or discussions to be unreliable and useless to say the least. This is what is wrong with Goanet! We Goans seem to suffer from lack of detail and excellence in whatever we write. It is easy to write rubbish and because we are not used to quality reading, we tend to contribute with even more rubbish. One thing we can be sure: whatever we write today will be available for eternity through the internet. Isn't this scary enough? Is this the legacy we want to leave for future generations? If yes, we are doing an excellent job. If not, we ought to introduce factual credibility in whatever we write or it would be better not to write it at all. Especially for those who claim to be professional researchers or academics that surely could do much better by not having non-factual claims above their names. Best regards Paulo Colaco Dias. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:goanet- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of CORNEL DACOSTA Sent: 18 June 2008 20:00 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet] June 19 -- Let the Revolution Begin Hi Eugene Because of pressures of time, we can only read some of the posts that appear on Goanet and other sites. I therefore am forced to use my delete button rather a lot. However, there are some names that I will always read but it would be invidious to name them now. However, I bet most others do so too. Yours is one of them because I invariably find much good sense in what you say. Your paragraph below is a good example of what I also believe. We tend to respond quickly and invariably without any research that others think, rather erroneously, is needed on Goanet. Let them believe what they wish. They seek something that is simply unavailable for lack of time. It is the general fund of knowledge and experience that helps one to respond---and especially when one feels resonably safe about a given topic. Indeed, JoeGoaUK could do a good analysis beyond the number of times people have responded on Goanet per month or whatever. He could note what topics tend to be addressed by different respondents. That evidence would confirm that our range inevitably tends to be small but reasonably well informed. It is also for this reason that I absolutely frown on those who suddenly raise points totally unrelated to issues on the table for discussion. In this post, you have indeed been responding to one who does this habitually. Regards Cornel
[Goanet] The International Goan Convention July 2008 - Brahmin Issues: Vol 3, Issue 735
Mario responds: Spellings are the least of our problems, Rui:-)) There is a word for those obsessed with such picayune details, but it escapes me right now.:-)) Mario asks: Apology accepted, Seb. But, what is your question? You seem to have lost your train of thought, and yourability to spell, in the middle of your sentence: = Hi Mario, Do you have any idea what you are saying on Goanet? Are you always drunk? if not, What is all this? As Seb said most of us try to avoid replying to your mail. This is ridiculous. Seb has lost his train - has he? ED. __ Sent from Yahoo! Mail. A Smarter Email http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html
[Goanet] The global popularity of Malaika
Tony Barros wrote: On the origins of Malaika, a Radio Tanzania music broadcaster once told me that Malaika originated in Tanzania. I told her that since Fadhili wrote it, its origins were in Kenya. Your findings now lead credence to her earlier suggestion. Thanks for enlightening me on this score. -- Francis Rodrigues wrote earlier: A few years ago, whilst researching early folk-music of East Africa with Philip Mundey (through a Ford Foundation grant to Kenya Consrvatoire) with particular emphasis on the Wahadzabe, we established that Malaika was indeed a well-known traditional Tanzanian folk-melody. --- I would appreciate if Francis, or anyone else in the know, could let us know more about the study mentioned above and how exactly they arrived at the conclusion - and most importantly where I can read more about this study. Cheers! Cecil
[Goanet] Terror’s new face
Herald, 19 June 2008 Editorial Terror's new face The arrest of sevaks of the Sanatan Sanstha, a religious group that is behind the Hindu Janajagruti Samiti for planting bombs in theatres at Thane and Vashi brings a new dimension to terrorism. Seven people were injured when one of the bombs the sevaks planted exploded in the parking lot of Thane's Gadkari Rangayatan theatre on 4 June. Ramesh Hanumant Gadkari, Mangesh Nikam, Santosh Angre and Vikram Bhave, the four bombers, are all full-time activists of the Sanatan Sanstha, living in ashrams run by the organisation. Their arrest at the end of a 10-day investigation by the Maharashtra Anti-terrorism Cell exposes what many have suspected for a few years now; that not all terrorists are Muslim, and there are Hindu terrorists too. Police say that they had planted a bomb outside a mosque or dargah on the Pen highway last Diwali, to check its intensity, but it did not explode. Nikam had earlier set off a bomb in the house of a family in Ratnagiri that had converted to Christianity, and was on bail awaiting trial. Ever since there was an accidental bomb blast at a flat in Nanded rented by Bajrang Dal activists a few years ago, there has been suspicion that extremist Hindu organisations were also carrying out terrorist attacks. However, police forces in India never seriously investigated this phenomenon, blaming the Malegaon blasts, the Mecca Masjid blast in Hyderabad, the blasts in the Jaipur dargah, etc, on 'Islamic terrorists'. Now, they need to have a fresh look, and see who was really responsible. The Sanstha has said it had no knowledge of these activities and that the sevaks did it 'on their own'. But the police say it is very clear that at least one of the bombs was assembled in the ashram premises, though no bomb-making materials were found in Gadkari's room. Protestations of innocence cannot be taken at face value, and the organisation must be investigated thoroughly. Its literature talks of 'elimination' of 'evildoers', and though no doubt they will claim that the words are used in a figurative and not literal sense, the police need to rigorously look into its voluminous literature and check out its activities with a fine tooth comb. This is because the Sanatan Sanstha and the Bajrang Dal, two Hindu fundamentalist organisations that are both linked to bomb blasts, are the main constituents of the broad joint front called the Hindu Janajagriti Samiti, which has been holding public meetings all over Goa claiming Hinduism is in danger, and making provocative speeches. Besides, the leader of the Sanstha, Dr Jayant Athavale, lives mostly in Goa at Mangueshi, and directs the organisation's activities from this state. What is especially troubling is the editorial written by Shiv Sena chief Bal Thackeray in yesterday's 'Saamna', his party's newspaper. He has advocated the creation of 'Hindu suicide squads', saying that the only way to counter the threat of Islamic terror is by 'Hindu terror'. This threat cannot be taken lightly. Terrorists typically target innocents, and with two varieties of terror 'taking on' each other with bombs, it is ordinary people who will be blown to bits. -- Question everything -- Karl Marx
[Goanet] Police Home taken up by the Ad Hoc GLA Committee- Manohar Parrikar Chairing
I was lucky for having been taken up before breaking off for Lunch. Very interesting skeletons have emerged from the Police cubboards, some frightening. This is what I have said in brief for the benefit of the CS, DIG, SPs and DYSPOs present. The house was packed full. Godfrey Gonsalves who is yet to depose will give the full account, hopefully. Police: GOA POLICE - PRIDE OF GOA - NOT A SHAME Police force should be the pride and not the shame to the country or to a State like GOA. I would desire that more be read into this statement. STUDY TOURS - SINGAPORE - POLICE UNIFORM - FINE COUNTRY- HUMEROUS NOTE Our government spends crores of rupees to send our legislators on study tours across the developed nations of the world. Do they learn anything at all? is a million dollar question. Once such merry jaunt was to a small country called Singapore, purportedly to study that country's policing systems. All they came home with is the color of its police uniform, terming Singapore - 'a police state'. I have spent the best part of my sailing life in Singapore, it being called the 'FINE' country. You throw a cigarette butt out of a taxi-cab and the taxi cab is fined $500/- without mercy. So the cabbies do not allow its passengers to throw out their cigarette butts. The police is supposed to implement the laws, rules and regulations that you, sir, the executive, formulate. On a humorous note I would like to say here that --- if we had followed the Singapore system of governance, I am sure most of our 40 legislators as well as half of our police force would be behind bars for breaking and/or failing to enforce the laws of the land. I would want my following few suggestions recorded and thought over seriously. 1.. NO INTERFERENCE: The Goa police department must be freed from political executive interference. The police must be allowed to do their job for which they are trained. 2.. EQUIPPED TO FIGHT CRIME WITH MODERN METHODS. Equipped The Goa police department must be equipped to fight crime with modern methods. 3.. PROVIDE ADEQUATE TRANSPORT/PATROL VEHICLES: Police stations must be provided with adequate transport/patrol vehicles fitted with modern communication/detecting systems such as radar/Doppler systems for police traffic cells to. Goa government has invested the tax payer's money to purchase INTERCEPTORS. Sorry to say that these only detect helmet less riders, And the mode they use to stop the evading riders on Highways is their football playing skills , resulting in severe accidents which could be translated into deaths. Ex. The case of Interceptor NO.4 at Porvorim on May 21 2008 4.. CIVILIAN SERVICES BOARD: The police force must be brought under the 'CIVILIAN SERVICES BOARD' where this board shall be responsible for over-seeing the conduct of the police department including recruitment/transfers of its personnel. 5.. PUBLIC RELATIONS BUREAU: Police Headquarters must be installed with a PUBLIC RELATIONS BUREAU handled by a capable police officer who will not only improvise and/or improve the public relations at the police HQ but will also be responsible to set up PR- desks at all Police stations. Presently, and as always, our public relations in general is ZERO. That Goa police must excel with at least 80% if not a 100% in Public Relations is a foregone conclusion since Goa is a world acclaimed tourist destination. Therefore, building and maintaining the police-public confidence is super-most and essential . 6.. GOOD MANERISM: ASpecial training programmes must be designed to train police personnel in matters of good mannerism, handling of telephone instrument and/or the wireless system; public psychology (including mob psychology) and techniques to handle mobs, demonstrations and morchas that are likely to become violent, without resorting to unnecessary violence. 7.. IOs Investigating Officers (IOs) in criminal cases must be held accountable for shoddy/poor or unsatisfactory investigations resulting in cases being dismissed by Courts. These must be taken into account at the time of considering promotions. 8.. NIGHT PATROL - DEBRIS : Chronic absence of police on regular beats and patrolling during the night hours must be addressed on a war footing. Apart from crimes like robberies etc being committed, lawlessness reigns high with vehicles such as tempos and trucks dumping debris and garbage on unsuspectingly clean roadsides by night. 9.. HOAX FINANCIAL OTHER INSTITUTIONS: Police department must start a vigilance cells to detect hoax financial institutions (NBFCs) advertising and operating from hotel rooms. Also to control the chronic proliferation of sales persons doing unchecked door to door rounds. 10.. FOREIGN NATIONALS - EXCLUSIVE CLUBS: No foreign national on tourist visa must be
[Goanet] CONDOLENCES
CONDOLENCES The President and Members UNITED FRIENDS CLUB (UFC) - KUWAIT, deeply mourn the sudden death of JOSEPHINA DIAS, belove mother of Tony Dias (President of Santos Football Club / Proprietor of Shuwaikh Electicals - Kuwait). May the Almighty GOD give strength and courage to Tony Dias and the bereaved family to bear this tragic loss. May his soul rest in peace. Cajetan de Sanvordem President United Friends Club - Kuwait.
[Goanet] CHURCHILL ON DEVELOPMENTAL PROJECTS - HERALD
Mr. Churchill, Developmental projects are not just building housing projects by cutting our hills / forest and turning to concrete jungles (Refer Rajan Parrikar's Daily Rape of Goa). What have you done to this rape of Goa by Developers? Do understand, that tourists don't come to see these type of developments. Let GOA remain virgin - this is what draws others to our beautiful GOA and our humble nature. Politician like you have ruined GOA. People have lost faith in 40 thieves. Any policy made in the name of development by these politician is only for personal gains. Dear elected Members of Goa Assembly, clear your image so that you gain people's confidence, which is at the lowest ebb right now. People are fighting over these unnecessary developments. First develop the basic needs - roads, electricity, water, health, sewerage, etc. With Love to GOA Rocky
Re: [Goanet] Study in Australia - A query
Dear Osborn This is just to say that I had known your brothers Joeseph and Edwin from early years in school in Mombasa. I also knew your two sisters. Joe was in touch with me a lot over his last year. He invariably indicated how proud he was of your success as a doctor and I thought I'd just share this info with you. Sincerely Cornel DaCosta --- Osborn Viegas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear JoeGoaUK, You made an enquiry regarding need for a deposit of 19 lakhs Rupees imposed by an Australian University on your nephew who seemingly has been awarded a scholarship. I am currently the Professor of Obstetrics and Gynaecology with an Australian University (MONASH) that has a clinical school in Malaysia and so I thought I could help clarify matters. From my enquiries, such a demand is not generally asked for but may represent a sum of money to ensure that the candidate is able to leave Australia after he graduates. This of course could change if he adopts Residency status or indeed Australian Nationality. Given the need for graduates in Australia, and his youth, he would stand a very good chance of making Australia home if he so wished. The sum of 19 lakhs is not excessive in Australian terms and should only be a deposit i.e returnable at the end of his course. If it is on any help, my daughter has a legal practice (migration Law) in Sydney and might be in a position to answer some of your queries. You could get her Practice details from the web on http://www.advocateimmigration.com.au/ourpeople_KathrynViegas.html I hope this will be of help and, on a separate note, thank you very much for the series of photographs that you have given us the opportunity to enjoy. Best wishes Professor Osborn Viegas Professor Osborn Viegas AM, MBChB, MD(Birm), FRCOG, FRANZCOG, DA Professor of Reproductive Health MONASH University, Johore Bahru MALAYSIA
Re: [Goanet] June 18 -- Kagaz ke Phool
JC's comments interspersed, Eugene Correia wrote: [1] Well, yes Telo was charged with bigamy. For that he got what 10 to 12 years in jail? Historical data has shown how the Portuguese worked against the nationalists. JC: So, Eugene, was the charge of bigamy trumped up - as you had previously asserted? -- [2] journalists in Goa could do some more digging into Telo's life and also verify what I have written. Some Goa-based and some Portugal-based historians are members of goanet and they could shed more light. JC: could, should, would etc -- [3] I myself wanted to do my Ph. D in Goa's freedom struggle through long-distance learning from Goa University but was denied because of residential qualification as I lived in Canada. I had approached Teotonio de Souza to be my guide, if I remember correctly. I lost the opportunity to do my doctorate when the late Dr. George Mark Moraes, the doyen of Goan historians, offered to be my guide. I foolishly went to join a law college after my post-graduation.One other historian also offered to be my guide. JC: If one is really interested in doing something, one does all that has to be done to do it.(Words of the world phamous Velim based Xri Kon Few Shius) -- [4] However, I am surprised that JC and PC were ticked off by my writing on June 18. I have spoken from the heart that some those who I mentioned may have been bit disappointed with the way things turned out after liberation. JC: The only part which JC ticked you off about was where you (Eugene Correia) manufactured facts. -- [5] That's the price one pays. Freedom has its own price. JC: So one hears from the amigos of Mario -- [6] I just read a bit of Flaviano Dias's (my ex-colleague at Free Press Journal) piece on June 18 and I agree that Dr. Juliao Menezes was largely forgotten for his role. JC: You mean THE Flaviano Dias of the infamous BOGUS (manufactured facts) VideoCD fame? Now, that makes some sense. -- [7] I am not sure if any more thesis are in the works on this subject. JC: You know ANY thesis on the subject which can stand the test of scrutiny? -- JC post script and conclusion on the topic: I believe that my knowledge on this topic has now been exhausted - for the time being, at least. I believe that concerned Goans like Rajan Parrikar have taken upon themselves to spend their own time in Goa to photo-document the mess that has been created. Rajan Parrikar has not just stayed somewhere in California or Canada and tried to do any PhD on Goa courtesy some well placed (friendly) guide here or there. Rajan has done what the alleged Goa Journos should have been doing all these years - including the ones who were 'a dollar short' and 'an hour late' on the matter. To do a PhD, I submit is NO walk in the park. It needs one to get the feel of the place, people and problems. One can never get that via remote. I am not sure if Eugene has ever lived in Goa for any significant length of time.. If so - he may wish to relate his experiences of living in Goa. If he hasn't really lived in Goa, how did he expect to do a PhD on a topic related to Goa? The only reason I intervened this time around is because Eugene Correia wrote non-facts in his post. Credit is due to him that he withdrew some of his manufactured facts. (I know at least one 'expert' who would deny that he ever wrote those manufactured facts). I reiterate that professionals MUST do due diligence before making negligent mis-representations - instead of hiding under the excuse that there are no books in the sand OR that the mis-representations of journalists do not harm anybody. If one cannot write accurately as a professional, let us know that in preface i.e. 'hey guys, I am just writing this from my heart ...I cannot vouch for the stuff which I am writing as there are no books here only Sand.. Someone like me would know then NOT to read that post. Please do not represent yourself as being either knowledgeable or professional, and then proceed to manufacture facts. Just understand this: it is all about the poixe. The pallava about glory et al having been noted. Lionel Messias' post provides physical proof. I have said my piece on this matter. Eugene may wish to have the last word on this matteror just jc
[Goanet] Requesting contact details...
Let me insert my responses Paragraph wise to a message of Satyavan Govekar (Ref. Message: 8 Date: 18 Jun 2008): Satyavan Wrote: Dotor Barad first learn to read. Rajan bab told me that and I immediately became extra smart. So you must read properly and tell me how I am anti BJP. Dotor Anand wrote same thing and then atleast he had courtesy to say sorry. But you don't seem like someone who will say sorry even if patient dies. Do not get angry I know you are not medical dotor. Saiba bogus. Second word is in English. My response: You must thank Rajan for making you EXTRA SMART within a short time! I think you read my message addressed to you in mad rush. Please read it once more (my original message is appended here below) I have very clearly written - let people call you Anti-BJP, Anti-Brahmin, Anti-everything... I think the words used by me are LET PEOPLE CALL YOU conveys sense and meaning. I have never called you so. It's your negative logic that makes you feel that I am calling you so!!OR is it the effect of Rajan that made you TOO SMART!! If so, Rajan must start consultancy / couching in this direction. Will he? Satyavan wrote: I know where Rajan goes for gym because he himself is writing about it on goanet. What man Dotor you are not understanding that I am just following his advice to read. Bigger joke is now I will be reading more about what you are writing. Rajan bab is good person in wrong company of party defectors like Soter and you. My response: Thanks for the clarification about Rajan's going to Gym. I write on Goanet for all Goanet members to read and it's up to individual member(s) to read OR not to read. Till date I don't even know who reads my messages on Goanet or who carries them to other net (Pretending!). But now I am confident that I have at least one reader who reads or will start reading my messages. Want you? (Answer this question only after readying entire message - Don't make another mad rush) Next, till date I don't belong to any party or member of any party. Get this FACT right! (Inquire with your own Congress Backed In-trust [CBI agency]!!!) Satyavan wrote: But since you are making such acusation against me are you telling that you are pro BJP, pro Brahmin and pro everything. You have no shame in even telling lie that you love reading my messages. My response: In this case too I must say that it's your own logic interpretation!! As far as Brahmin is concerned I am very much on record in Goanet. Check archives'. Secondly in this very Para you wrote - You have no shame in even telling lie that you love reading my messages. My response to this very line is READ THIS PRESENT MESSAGE TILL THE END and you will realize for your self as to who has SHAME or otherwise. Satyavan wrote: And why you want my contact address to send goondas or what. You give me your contact address and I will come and see you properly. We have seen many like you. Altodi and Poltodi. My response: It's well known - Guilty Conscience Pricks the Mind. What's this - goondas - you are talking / writing about? Also just check your last line i.e. we have seen many like you - This line indicates that this message which you posted to Goanet is not solely written by you but either dictated or inserted by a group of persons that you are purporting to be representing!!! This looks more obvious because from start of the message you have been using - I - first person, singular, while in this line you used word WE. Who are these WE! Secondly, when you have written much more than I know myself about me! (Whether right or wrong is another debate altogether) makes me believe that you also know where I stay. You are welcomed to meet me ONLY after prior appointment. (Don't be surprised!!) TO GOANET MEMBERS: Although Goanet does not insist identity details of a person TO BE A MEMBER OF GOANET it should be one's moral responsibility as a true member of Goanet to come forward and share one's identity when any other member of Goanet puts out such request. Non disclosure of identity despite request raises suspensions in the mind of members about the authenticity of an individual. Remember, one cannot fool all the members all the time! Satyavan bubble (SB) is bust open! Satyavan bubble is located!! Satyavan bubble despite being extraordinarily intelligent, as he claims to be (now I would not say Rajan made him EXTRA SMART) SHOULD HAVE NEVER TAKEN THE SHELTER UNDER FAKE ID only to write rubbish and unwanted and that too disguising as though - not so much educated - as though not having much command on English. Interestingly, Satyavan bubble did not realize that the shelter which he took tarnished the image of all GOVEKAR'S of Goa. Is this the CLASSIC CASE of Goan v/s non Goan! OR GBA v/s GPA!!! TO P.S. (SATYAVAN): P. S. please keep writing / exchanging views about GBA v/s GPA and about personalities from Goa who are either in GBA or GPA including others who are not in either GBA or GPA BUT ONLY
Re: [Goanet] Churchill jokes
HI EDWARD PLEASE SEND ME THE LYRICS OF THE GOAN SONG GOA AMCHEM I REQUIRE TO SING THIS SONG IN MY BAND THAT I HAVE IN MUMBAI. REGARDS FRANCIS 9821375864 On 6/9/08, edwardingoa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guys How good is your Konkani At last - homegrown Goan jokes...don't have to depend on Sardars, etc. Churchill is flying to New Delhi. An air-hostess comes over and asks, Sir, what would you like to have? Tea, coffee?... Churchill replies, Black tea.. with milk... The Air-hostess politely says, With pleasure sir... Churchill shouts back, No, not with pleasure...with sugar... _ The air-hostess comes over after a while and finds Churchill writing on a pad. Knowing that Churchill is a famous personality, she asks, Sir, what is that you're writing? a new speech? Churchill: No..., I am writing a poem. The air- hostess is curious, Poem? she says wow...do you write on Nature, sir? Churchill: Ofcourse not...I write on paper!... _ Churchill attends an advanced English course where he is asked to translate a few common sentences in Konkani to English. *Salvador, tum novem ghor kaddta zalear, hea bashen kadd. Churchill: Salador, if you are taking out a new house, take it out in this language. *Atanche dakte bhurge cigeretti vodtat. Churchill: Nowadays these small boys are pulling cigarettes. *Zonn eklean ap-aple poixe moddun ghor bandunk zai. Churchill: Each one should break their own money and tie the house. aiz hanv sarko thoklam, nidd eta. Churchill: Today I'am very much tired, sleep coming. *Aiz-Kal zata tem sonspachem? Churchill : Today-yesterday happening can we bear? *Mhaka vhoddlo 'shirt' dhi. Ho mhaka zaina. Churchill:Give me a bigger shirt. This is not happening. *Aiz mojea jivak borem disonam. Churchill: Today my life cannot see good. - Churchill is at a hospital. Nurse, I am very eager to know my blood group. The Nurse politely says, B positive! Churchill:Nurse, please tell me soon The nurse replies again, B positive, sir... Churchill gets hot. Madam, I am positive, but just eager to know the blood group...Will you tell me! _ Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon once met our great Churchill. Mr. Churchill, are there any Jews in Goa? He inquires. Churchill replies quickly, Plenty!... which one are you talking about?...we have pineapple juice, orange juice, mango juiceyou name it and we have it Ariel Sharon smiles and says, No...No Mr. Churchill, I don't mean this type of juice...I mean Churchill interupts, I know what you meanbut i'am sorry... cashew juice is not served at five stars...but i can arrange... Churchill goes for a computer course. The Instructor questions, Sir, you must have heard of Windows. As usual Churchill is quick to reply, Yes!...In most government offices we have the single window clearance concept. The computer teacher: Have you installed Windows at home? Churchill: I have sealed all windows due to increased burglaries. The teacher is confused, Then what is the system you operate on? Hope you are familiar with the internet. Churchill: Oh Yes! Due to increased mosquito problems we are sleeping under the net these days... The teacher (feeling very uneasy): Sir, do you regularly use Laptop? Churchill: My brother's son sleeps on top of my lap sometimes... The teacher sweating, The new Minister knows quite a lot about RAM and ROM. Churchill: RUM? I doubt...He might know more about Caju Feni...He hardly drinks Rum. -- Best of the Web: Your Eye on the World [EMAIL PROTECTED] Join me on YouTube http://www.youtube.com/edwardlopes7 -- Cheers! Francis
[Goanet] professional colleges instead of football academy
Football Academy now on slippery turf HERALD REPORTERVillagers want professional colleges insteadMARGAO, JUNE 18 — Comparing the football Academy to Special Economic Zones, the Rs 100 crore AIFF Academy proposed in Cuncolim came in for strong opposition from villagers, who have demanded utilization of the prime 1.26 lakh sq mts land for educational institutions and professional colleges.Former Cuncolim Municipal Chairperson, Ramesh Dessai even threatened to go on a hunger strike at the miraculous Taddeancho Khuris at Panzorconne if local MLA and Urban Development Minister, Joaquim Alemao goes ahead with the project.The press conference was addressed by citizens from Cuncolim, including three prominent members of the screening committee constituted to decide on the Academy.Dr Jorson Fernandes said the proposed Academy at Cuncolim is a “fraud” played on a political turf rather than a natural turf, while objecting to the football Academy in the present form.He said the screening committee had raised the demand to se t up colleges for various technical courses such as catering college, physiotherapy college, rubber technology etc to help the students of football Academy to have the necessary qualifications to grow in an event they do not make to the mark of excellence, adding “unfortunately for reasons best known this point was totally excluded by the drafting committee”.Moreover, he said no cognizance was taken of the Cuncolim Municipal Council resolution dated September 18, 2007 favouring educational institutions on the acquired land.He demanded to know what has happened to the children of land losers vis-à-vis fellowship or the five seats for students of Cuncolim in the Academy.Dr Jorson demanded to know why AIFF Secretary Alberto Colaco and Joaquim Alemao are bending towards Bharti Foundation, adding “I fail to understand why Bharti is shying away from the people of Cuncolim or why Albert Colaco is taking so much interest in doing presentations on behalf of Bharti”.In his address, De rick Dias representing Save Cuncolim demanded to know why the Goa government is not building an academy rather than selling the land to outside private companies like Bharti Telecom. “Joaquim had promised in his election campaign to set up institutions and colleges. Why is he going back on his promise? Why didn’t he take public opinion before taking decision on this major project”, he said, adding that Alemao invited only his select people, who would submit to his terms. “The academy is a combination of SEZ and Housing Board. It is a wolf in sheep’s clothing”, he added, and demanded that the land be returned back to the owners.Former CMC Chairperson Ramesh Dessai warned that the people of Cuncolim would go to any extent against the Academy. A member of the screening committee, Dessai said neither the views of the members nor the resolution of the Cuncolim Municipal Council were taken into account before approving the Academy.Another J J Mascarenhas strongly favoured setting up of professional colleges on the land in question instead of the Academy. “The academy is nothing but backdoor SEZ. We are opposed to it”, he said, while disclosing plans to knock the doors of the Judiciary.Civic and Consumer rights activist, Roney Dias said the CMC resolution was very clear that the people of Cuncolim want educational institutions on the acquired land and urged the local MLA to go by the resolution. _ Connect to the next generation of MSN Messenger http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/default.aspx?locale=en-ussource=wlmailtagline
[Goanet] Talking Photos: About Tools, Bananas, Sizes etc etc
Talking Photos: About Tools, Bananas, Sizes etc etc Pl. note: This pic is not mine http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk2/2590238395/sizes/o/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa __ Sent from Yahoo! Mail. A Smarter Email http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html
Re: [Goanet] The International Goan Convention July 2008 - BrahminIssues: Vol 3, Issue 735
Hi Ed, The below was my reply on goanet...probably u missed it!! hAVE a nICE dAY Seb In your hurry to reply (though i told you not to take the trouble) you seem to have missed everything! including your train.(Now don't ask where the train came from) In plain simple language, i had asked; Do you have a Ph.D or Not? Cause if you read your mail properly in your first Para you below you say Even with my less-than-Ph.D. education...(check below). Then in the next you say: ...the wisdom of Solomon and Bill Gates combined, and we Ph.D.'s are just a bunch of Einstein wannabes. Do you have a job for us where we can dirty our hands?:-)) - your words not mine!! Less-than-Ph.D or we Ph.D's. What is IT Now you either have one or NOT? Was this so hard to grasp? That was the precise reason i told you not to reply...cause you have a very tough time understanding plain english, and most of the netters are reluctant to engage in a conversation with you. You are like the DOLE(I wonder if you know, what that is) Hope you continue having nice days Seb PS1: My last post on this tread...and also every post of yours on Goanet!! PS2: I suggest you open another id on goanet and respond to all your posts, it will make others believe that atleast someone is in conversation with you. - Original Message - From: edward desilva [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 12:56 PM Subject: [Goanet] The International Goan Convention July 2008 - BrahminIssues: Vol 3, Issue 735 Mario responds: Spellings are the least of our problems, Rui:-)) There is a word for those obsessed with such picayune details, but it escapes me right now.:-)) Mario asks: Apology accepted, Seb. But, what is your question? You seem to have lost your train of thought, and yourability to spell, in the middle of your sentence: = Hi Mario, Do you have any idea what you are saying on Goanet? Are you always drunk? if not, What is all this? As Seb said most of us try to avoid replying to your mail. This is ridiculous. Seb has lost his train - has he? ED. __ Sent from Yahoo! Mail. A Smarter Email http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html
[Goanet] An allergy to freedom fighters and any anti-Portuguese colonialism position? Was: Re: June 18 -- Kagaz ke Phool
Apart from answering questions with counter-questions, the doctor-cum-now-qualified-lawer that is JC is also known for raising irrelevant and diversionary issues, taking on his favourite targets (Goa journos including those who reported on or were anyway involved with the Siddi and Daman bridge stories, politicians, anyone even remotely critical of Portuguese colonialism and a few other 'favourites'). Just two comments on the following: (i) In what way are the comments made below any different from the bad-mouthing of people that we run into so often these days? Goa has now made a fine art of bad-mouthing people we do not like. We're now seeing Wendell being targetted by an anonymous mail, selectively copied to a few, on the grounds of his (hardly any secret) sexual preferences, just at a time when he speaks out on the problems Goa is facing and threatening to turn into an oppositional figure of sorts. Likewise, Dr Oscar was recently targeted at around the same time some voiced fears of him being built up into a politician to contest the Panjim seat. Is this just a coincidence? Is Telo de Mascarenhas' bigamy also targeted selectedly, or are we uniform about what issues we take up? (ii) Telo de Mascarenhas' biography by Shashikar Kelekar (June 1984, Builders of Modern India series, sorry JC, I know this would cause an allergy, but that's what it's called) notes that Telo fell in love with a Portuguese girl with it eventually maturing into marriage and had two daughters, named Padmini and Lakshmi (p. 24). It mentions that their firstborn died of penumonia and soon, Telo's marriage itself went on the rocks. Husband and wife found it difficult to stay together and they were divorced. On page 50, we're told that married again in New Delhi in February 1957, his wife being Elsa do Nascimento Mendonca, the daughter of Nascimento Mendonca (1884-1926), the Goan poet. Now, we all know that divorce wasn't permitted in Salazar-ruledl Portugal, in a country where Church and State ruled in close alliance, where Concordats gave priviledges to religion, and a nation which wasn't a modern secular European state but an unabashed theocracy. So is this a case of bring up issues just when we need to build some controversy about someone? Yeah, tax-raids have been conducted against critics of the government, and the Tehelka was found to be operating in a very questionable manner after its expose of the earlier government. Dr J F Martins was imprisoned by a post-Liberation government in Goa, and JC has been consistently opposed to anyone who questioned Portuguese colonialism in this part of the globe (though in a couched manner). So much for taking up issues! We're very selective about them... in whom we hero-worship and whom we won't forgive for the positions they've taken. FN 2008/6/19 J. Colaco jc [EMAIL PROTECTED]: JC's comments interspersed, Eugene Correia wrote: [1] Well, yes Telo was charged with bigamy. For that he got what 10 to 12 years in jail? Historical data has shown how the Portuguese worked against the nationalists. JC: So, Eugene, was the charge of bigamy trumped up - as you had previously asserted? JC: You mean THE Flaviano Dias of the infamous BOGUS (manufactured facts) VideoCD fame? Now, that makes some sense. In logic, the above would be called: Ad Hominem (Argument To The Man): attacking the person instead of attacking his argument. Regards, FN
[Goanet] Why is English so difficult
Why is English so difficult We'll begin with a box, and the plural is boxes; but the plural of ox became oxen not oxes. One fowl is a goose, but two are called geese, yet the plural of moose should never be meese. You may find a lone mouse or a nest full of mice; yet the plural of house is houses, not hice. If the plural of man is always called men, why shouldn't the plural of pan be called pen? If I spoke of my foot and show you my feet, and I give you a boot, would a pair be called beet? If one is a tooth and a whole set are teeth, why shouldn't the plural of booth be called beeth? Then one may be that, and three would be those, yet hat in the plural would never be hose, and the plural of cat is cats, not cose. We speak of a brother and also of brethren, but though we say mother we never say methren. Then the masculine pronouns are he, his and him, but imagine the feminine, she, shis and shim. http://funlok.com/index.php/humor/why-english-is-so-difficult.html Anonymous -- Best of the Web: Your Eye on the World [EMAIL PROTECTED] Join me on YouTube http://www.youtube.com/edwardlopes7
[Goanet] Goanet Tiatr
I am definitely returning my tickets to the Junior Menezes tiatr in Toronto in July. I have just discovered another far better show on Goanet between Barad and Govekar. It has intrigue, insult, butler English, and comedy. The only other vital ingredient missing is love and romance. A challenge to the Goanet female readers or writers. Any more of this and I shall even stop watching my favorite Air Farce, 22 minutes and the gags on Comedy Club in Montreal. Keep at it guys, we are enjoyong ourselves. Roland. On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 4:40 AM, Dr. U. G. Barad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let me insert my responses Paragraph wise to a message of Satyavan Govekar (Ref. Message: 8 Date: 18 Jun 2008): Satyavan Wrote: Dotor Barad first learn to read. Rajan bab told me that and I immediately became extra smart. So you must read properly and tell me how I am anti BJP. Dotor Anand wrote same thing and then atleast he had courtesy to say sorry. But you don't seem like someone who will say sorry even if patient dies. Do not get angry I know you are not medical dotor. Saiba bogus. Second word is in English. My response: You must thank Rajan for making you EXTRA SMART within a short time! I think you read my message addressed to you in mad rush. Please read it once more (my original message is appended here below) I have very clearly written - let people call you Anti-BJP, Anti-Brahmin, Anti-everything... I think the words used by me are LET PEOPLE CALL YOU conveys sense and meaning. I have never called you so. It's your negative logic that makes you feel that I am calling you so!!OR is it the effect of Rajan that made you TOO SMART!! If so, Rajan must start consultancy / couching in this direction. Will he? Satyavan wrote: I know where Rajan goes for gym because he himself is writing about it on goanet. What man Dotor you are not understanding that I am just following his advice to read. Bigger joke is now I will be reading more about what you are writing. Rajan bab is good person in wrong company of party defectors like Soter and you. My response: Thanks for the clarification about Rajan's going to Gym. I write on Goanet for all Goanet members to read and it's up to individual member(s) to read OR not to read. Till date I don't even know who reads my messages on Goanet or who carries them to other net (Pretending!). But now I am confident that I have at least one reader who reads or will start reading my messages. Want you? (Answer this question only after readying entire message - Don't make another mad rush) Next, till date I don't belong to any party or member of any party. Get this FACT right! (Inquire with your own Congress Backed In-trust [CBI agency]!!!) Satyavan wrote: But since you are making such acusation against me are you telling that you are pro BJP, pro Brahmin and pro everything. You have no shame in even telling lie that you love reading my messages. My response: In this case too I must say that it's your own logic interpretation!! As far as Brahmin is concerned I am very much on record in Goanet. Check archives'. Secondly in this very Para you wrote - You have no shame in even telling lie that you love reading my messages. My response to this very line is READ THIS PRESENT MESSAGE TILL THE END and you will realize for your self as to who has SHAME or otherwise. Satyavan wrote: And why you want my contact address to send goondas or what. You give me your contact address and I will come and see you properly. We have seen many like you. Altodi and Poltodi. My response: It's well known - Guilty Conscience Pricks the Mind. What's this - goondas - you are talking / writing about? Also just check your last line i.e. we have seen many like you - This line indicates that this message which you posted to Goanet is not solely written by you but either dictated or inserted by a group of persons that you are purporting to be representing!!! This looks more obvious because from start of the message you have been using - I - first person, singular, while in this line you used word WE. Who are these WE! Secondly, when you have written much more than I know myself about me! (Whether right or wrong is another debate altogether) makes me believe that you also know where I stay. You are welcomed to meet me ONLY after prior appointment. (Don't be surprised!!) TO GOANET MEMBERS: Although Goanet does not insist identity details of a person TO BE A MEMBER OF GOANET it should be one's moral responsibility as a true member of Goanet to come forward and share one's identity when any other member of Goanet puts out such request. Non disclosure of identity despite request raises suspensions in the mind of members about the authenticity of an individual. Remember, one cannot fool all the members all the time! Satyavan bubble (SB) is bust open! Satyavan bubble is located!! Satyavan bubble despite being extraordinarily intelligent, as he claims
[Goanet] Case against Narvekar
I am surprised that there is so very little demand for the resignation of Dayanand Narvekar in his being charged in the fake ticket case. The amount of money involved in this forgery is quite large and as the judge had said that it is difficult to believe that the whole thing was done by people at the lower level. Sachin Phadte _ Timely update on all current affairs, sports, events and all thats in News here on MSN videos. http://video.msn.com/?mkt=en-in
[Goanet] My Sincere Request...
Dear All / Goanet Moderators / Goanet Owner, Although Goanet does not insist identity details of a person TO BE A MEMBER OF GOANET it should be one's moral responsibility as a true member of Goanet to come forward and share one's identity when any other member of Goanet puts out such request. Non disclosure of identity despite request raises suspiciousness in the mind of members about the authenticity of an individual. Please recall the FAMOUS DEBATE ON FAKE IDENTITY which Goanet had to shoulder in the past. Now considering present fraud played by Satyavan Govekar I request Goanet (Moderators as well as Owner) to delete all the messages posted by Satyavan Govekar to Goanet from the archives of Goanet. I will spell out my fine tuning request after you delete Satyavan's postings from Goanet archives. Best regards, Dr. U. G. Barad
Re: [Goanet] Kagaz ke Phool - allergy to Bondollam - a response to FN
2008/6/19 Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [1] Apart from answering questions with counter-questions, the doctor-cum-now-qualified-lawer that is JC is also known for raising irrelevant and diversionary issues, taking on his favourite targets (Goa journos including those who reported on or were anyway involved with the Siddi and Daman bridge stories..). [2] JC has been consistently opposed to anyone who questioned Portuguese colonialism in this part of the globe (though in a couched manner). [3] sorry JC, I know this would cause an allergy, but that's what it's called) notes that Telo fell in love with a Portuguese girl with it eventually maturing into marriage Telo's marriage itself went on the rocks. Husband and wife found it difficult to stay together and they were divorced. .Now, we all know that divorce wasn't permitted in Salazar-ruledl Portugal, in a country where Church and State ruled in close alliance, -- jc's response: Dear Frederick, I personally found your response particularly peculiar as well as predictable and prejudicial. But ...you are a journalist - not one of the alleged Goa journos I referred to nor the negligent ones (I paraphrase) that Rajan Parrikar referred to in an earlier posting. Accordingly, when Frederick writes, JC readsand when Frederick does a little samba/tango with his words, JC believes he deserves a response. Let's briefly examine the issues you have raised - and which I have excerpted above. Take your time and answer the questions I place before you (only for clarification ...err reclarification). I place them here because of your clever use of words - your prerogative since you are after all a professional journalist. You research much before you write. Do you not? Well here goes: re # 1: a: Was the story by (the now late) Mhambre wrt the Sidis of Goa - accurate? b: Did you believe it to be accurate? c: Were the errors pointed out on GoaNet? (I actually copied my letter to NT) d: Did Mr. Mhambre (to the best of your knowledge) ever correct his error? e: Did you ever advise him to correct the errors? (You have already confirmed your own 'part' in that story) f: Did you ever attempt (on GoaNet) to justify the non-correction of the errors? g: Same questions (minus the reference to Mr. Mhambre) wrt the Daman bridge story which hit the wires. Now ... h: Is it important that we correct our negligent errors of statement? i: What purpose do blatant Bondollam serve - when one is dealing with a set of educated people? j: Is there not enough documented material with which the Portuguese can be beaten up with? k: If so, why is nuevo and bogus material being manufactured? for the Sidi story: please vide : http://www.colaco.net/1/siddhi0.htm re #2: You may be partially right - especially with the way you have (cleverly) constructed the sentence. However, the relevant questions, I submit, are the following: l: Has JC merely opposed anyone who questioned Portuguese colonialism or only the Bondollam the opposers have manufactured? m: Are you saying that FN supports the publication and non-correction of Bondollam? re #3: n: Did you read Eugene's assertion of 'trumped up charges? o: Were the charges trumped up or based on the then-currently operating law? p: Are you saying that IF you (FN) are arrested for taking photographs at Dabolim airport, the charges would be trumped up because in 'a modern European state', photography is allowed at airports? q: Would you please advise us of the Nationalistic Activity Telo was confirmed to have been involved in? Conclusion: I will not ask you (FN) to read carefully before you give script to your pet prejudices. I suggest however that you advise us clearly and once and for all .. your position on the following (please do not do the samba or waltz on this one): QUESTION: Do you support the journalistic use of manufactured facts aka Bondollam and semi-facts on any issue? You are right: I am allergic to Bondollam. Sincerely jc PN: remember now ...straight talk - No dancing around the Kokum tree. PS: This is not the first time that Frederick Noronha and I have discussed this topic. This is my first and final response to FN's post on this matter (at this time). Frederick's responses to the queries posted above - IF he chooses to respond - will remain as the final words. They will also determine - whether he is a non-Bondollista journalist or just the 'convenient one'. Further reading for those who may not have read this: Amcho Raul - Kon re? ( Please look for the allegedly Kolvonto Journo) http://www.colaco.net/1/RaulSaga1.htm
[Goanet] In No mood for Heros
I was watching a BBC documentary on Charles Dickens the other evening and was quite disconcerted to find out things about the man I had once devotedly read in school. It turns out that Charles Dickens was a very secretive man, who in the latter half of his life had a mistress, the little known actress Ellen Ternan. What was disconcerting about Dickens was the almost savage severing of ties from his wife, who bore his 9 children, that followed once the illicit affair began. Dickens however, is revered by the British. It is said his popularity and, political and social clout at the time was unparalleled. His peccadilloes have neither marred his image nor toppled him off the pedestal to which a literary giant like him rightfully belongs. The British are forgiving of their own that way. The American media likewise is very adept at creating heros. Just recently, they've chiseled-out a hero from a relatively unknown man called Barack Obama. Their heros are not limited to politicians alone. They are routinely in the business of creating heros chosen from Nascar racing-drivers to basketball players to movie-stars. There is something in the American psyche that years and thrives on hero-hood. Which set me thinking as to why the Indian public seems reluctant to embrace heroes, post independence. Even our national icons such as Gandhi and Nehru are now being painstakingly reinvented and cast in a poor light. Other regional potentials like Dr Oscar Rebello soon find themselves mired in controversy, either of their own making or foisted onto them. Yesteryear's heros and today's lemmings. A public's embrace in the soft-glow of luminary light is fleeting and often ripped asunder even before the sun rises on their short-comings. The India media rarely plays the role of matchmaker between the public and hero-worship. Is it that we are more cynical as a country, perhaps incapable of sustaining the hero myth given the plurality of our political and cultural ideologies and regional loyalties? Or are we just bereft of any real heroes in our society forsaken as we are by our polity and the commercialisation of our artistic integrity? Perhaps we are just a nation in no mood for heroes. Somehow I think that leaves us a little impoverished. selma
[Goanet] Fw: Medical insurance Forum
R E M I N D E R Dear Members Friends, Medical insurances for our seniors has always been an issue when our members became 65yrs and over. We have however managed to discover that there is life after 65!! Eagle African insurance brokers ( formerly Alexander Forbes) has introduced a cover the covers the under 65 over 65 upto the age of 75. For more information and details, The Executive Committee invites members and friends to a presentation on : Date: SUNDAY 22nd June 2008 Venue: Goan Institute, Pangani, Nairobi. Time: 11.00am We encourage all of you to attend this meeting to ensure you are medically insured with the best medical insurance that fits your lifestyle. there will be a question and answer session Please keep this important date in your diary! For and on behalf of the Goan Welfare Society Joyce shamshudin -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.
[Goanet] Requesting contact details...
The Dotor from Margao has written long message. I have already given my contact details to Bosco bab. All I will say now that in college one fish pond was very famous : Diarrohea of words and constipation of ideas Satyamev Jayate
[Goanet] My Sincere Request...
Dr. Barad is writing that I request Goanet (Moderators as well as Owner) to delete all the messages posted by Satyavan Govekar to Goanet from the archives of Goanet. JUST TWO DAYS AGO THE SAME MAN IS SAYING THAT HE IS LOVING TO READ MY MESSAGES. Goannetters please note the point. Satyamev Jayate
Re: [Goanet] Going soft on Narvenkar
It is dismal to hear how such meetings are conducted. Was Mr. Damu Naik of Fatorda, asking Floriano Lobo for a solution a genuine query or tantamount to an aggressive posture? In such a situation it up to the aggrieved to offer solutions, or does it merely amount to tum kitem kortollo tem pouya or sang baba amkam, ami tujem aikonc toyar assat. I find it a bit Kafkaesque but could be misreading Florionos's comments. But to further follow it up with a circular stating that no MLA or ministers may be defamed is soft thuggery. First of all, this circular cannot be binding, but sadly many will simple assume that it is. Goans in Goa do not need me to say my bit, but it is really galling to hear the Chairman's bhasa and the Ad Hoc Committee's kornneo — a la circular. I would rather a tormentor have marbles of steel, but these are sad caricatures that pass off as men, particularly Narvenkar. I often wonder how their children, particularly the women perceive their patriarchs — those in the Goan politics. And what is even worse is that they have high-level security. So essentially State-sponsored thugs or state-protected thugs. Its as if the Center and the State says, chaddo un becharon par, par paise humare kabz mein dena, aur aap bhi raklo. Cartoonists lampoon these emasculates. I know it is hard, but try. It has been done before in the Eastern-bloc countries. venantius Message: 7 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 13:49:22 +0530 From: floriano [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet] Going soft on Narvenkar I have so far attended the second round of the Ad Hoc Committees meeting at the Goa Legislative Assembly chaired by MLAs. This has given the opportunity to place before the committees various suggestions to the prevailing wrongs and even if nothing happens after the exercise has ended, one thing will remain, that the Officials of the respective departments have been forced to hear the comments of the lay people and be censured or praised as the case may be. When at the Law meeting, Chairman being Mr. Damu Naik of Fatorda, the first issue that I raised was about the Law makers not only becoming the Law breakers but also are gifted with the portfolio dealing with the Law itself. I named Dayanand Narvekar by name as the blatant example and asked the chairman if any confidence can be retained by me as a citizen in this situation. He asked me if I had any solution. To that I told him that the normal norm that one is innocent until proven guilty' must be reversed in the case of elected representatives to read one is guilty until proven innocent and should not be given any portfolio least the Law and Finance, the departments for which Dayanand Narvekar has had contempt during his entire political career. You will be pleased to note that for the next day, there was a circular handed over to every participant that ministers and MLAs should not be named or defamed. :-)) floriano goasuraj
Re: [Goanet] Goanet Tiatr
--- On Thu, 6/19/08, Roland Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have just discovered another far better show on Goanet between Barad and Govekar. It has intrigue, insult, butler English, and comedy. The only other vital ingredient missing is love and romance. A challenge to the Goanet female readers or writers. - Roland, The only female on Goanet who remains persistently loyal is me, but far be it for me to form a love triangle between Barad and Govekar. These two are deliciously entwined in each other's arms with a possible Damocles sword hanging somewhere up ahead. :-) I think Dotor Barad, in his own clumsy way lunged forward to embrace Govekar and was sincere in his request to have a rendez-vous as the French would say. Unfortunately Govekar, not used to such lungeing, questioned his motive, labeled him a mal con tent and after that he took to his reading and writing exercises as prescribed by Rajan. You will find that this is the general storyline for all tiarts on Goanet. Two young men on their way to Verona, er maybe Assolna, meet and develop deep mutual admiration for each other. Unfortunately, something goes wrong and then as with all unrequited love there is much festering of wounds and unburdening of private angst complete with some very choice words. Ofcourse Chris now says, we should all be using such choice words because afterall everybody engages in these acts privately. Hey Chris, thanks for letting us know ;-) And this is why we love Goanet, day in and day out. selma
[Goanet] How tourists can know they are in Goa
How to identify places in India. Goa is No. 7. Scenario 1 Two guys are fighting and a third guy comes along, then a fourth and they start arguing about who's right. You are in Kolkata Scenario 2 Two guys are fighting and a third guy comes along, sees them and walks on. That's Mumbai Scenario 3 Two guys are fighting and a third guy comes along tries to make peace. The first two get together beat him up. That's Delhi Scenario 4 Two guys are fighting. A crowd gathers to watch. A guy comes along and quietly opens a chai-stall That's Ahmedabad. Scenario 5 Two guys are fighting and a third guy comes along. He writes a software Program to stop the fight. But the fight doesn't stop b'cos of a bug in the program. That's Bangalore Scenario 6 Two guys are fighting. A crowd gathers to watch. A guy comes along and quietly says that AMMA doesn't like all this nonsense. The guys stop fighting. Everyone goes home. That's Chennai. Scenario 7 Two guys are fighting. Third guy comes along with a carton of beer. All sit together drinking beer and abusing each other and all go home friends. You are in Goa Scenario 8 Two guys are fighting. Both of them take time out and call their friends on their mobiles. Now 50 guys are fighting. You are DEFINITELY IN Gurgaon-Haryana
[Goanet] A blogpost from a young voice...
How can people be so dumb... (see this blog post): http://goobimama.blogspot.com/2008/06/how-can-people-be-so-dumb.html -- Frederick FN Noronha * Independent Journalist http://fn.goa-india.org * Phone +91-832-2409490
Re: [Goanet] June 18 -- Let the Revolution Begin
Dear Eugene, What exactly is the point that you want to make in your long, rambling post on 18 June? Telo Mascarenhas lived at the house of Elsa Mendonca in Camurlim for some time. so what does that have to do with the freedom struggle? Personal issues do not concern freedom. Some arsonists and children who Shouted slogans are Pensioned Freedom Fighters asking for more reservations ... 46 years after liberation when the maximum age for employment is 35 years. why should someone BORN 11 years AFTER liberation ever deserve reservation for education AND service? These are beggars, not fighters! Flaviano Dias has already lorded over the Scrutinising Committee set up by Manohar Parrikar for the infamous VCD. Just see how he has depicted Cuncolim in that. Why suddenly remember Dr. Menezes now? Why not in time to add him in the VCD?? Let me quote Dr. Manohar Rai SarDessai's poem Otthra Jun for you: Kitle oxe aile gele Otthra Jun!. Ambea-mullant kuddkuddtta Gavdeacho por ozun! Bhangarachem Goy amchem Kitlem asa pois ozun! Fr. Vasco do Rego sj has rendered it in English [for the book My Song. Ma Chanson. O Meu Canto. Edited by Jorge de Abreu Noronha. New Age Printers. Rs.250/-] thus: So many times it has come and gone: The 18th of June!.. The poor Gavddi-boy Shivers still beneath the mango tree. How far from us, oh how far still That Golden Goa of our dreams On 22 June, 2008, it will be three years since this linguist-poet with a Ph.D in French from Sorbonne University, Paris, to boot . last walked through the streets of St. Inez , Panaji-Goa. Till the end he earned his living, unlike the bootlickers who masquerade as Freedom Fighters and bring the true Freedom Fighters [pensioned or not] to disrepute! The consolidated pension for a FF in Goa is Rs.14,600/- per month [as stated in a recent case against the wife of a FF taking DSSS pension that was exposed by my friend, neighbour and former colleague, Subodh Shetye.]. Imagine petty crooks of yore getting FIVE TIMES or 500% of the salary of a full time contract labour in the Industrial Estates of Goa, toiling for 8 hours a day. I am not talking of just the Gavddi-Kunbi-Velip boys and girls. I have seen graduate degree holders from across the caste spectrum in Goa who earn less than the FF pension of the day ...and their wages are deducted for non-working days! Oh! Brother, do you remember: 18th June? Mog asundi. Miguel Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 22:48:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Eugene Correia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet] June 18 -- Let the Revolution Begin Historical data has shown how the Portuguese worked against the nationalists. I am not sure but I think Telo, on his return, was bypassed for the supervisor's post in All-India Radio, Delhi and the post given it to Laxmanrao Sardesai, a Saraswat Brahmin, also a freedom fighter. Did not Sardesai later become editor of Goa Today and then Ambassador to Angola? We have seen on goanet how the little info on Agente Monteiro brought an avalanche of information, including personal views from Monteiro's son. I think Fred wrote a wrote on it for IANS or Goa Today. Similarly, journalists in Goa could do some more digging into Telo's life and also verify what I have written. I had approached Teotonio de Souza to be my guide, if I remember correctly. I lost the opportunity to do my doctorate when the late Dr. George Mark Moraes, the doyen of Goan historians, offered to be my guide. I foolishly went to join a law college after my post-graduation. I have gone through tmany books on Goa's freedom struggle and also the Who's Who (in two volumes) by my friend and ex-college Prakash Shirodkar, the former director of Goa's archives (forget the name of the institution). Another example is the postings on Goan women hockey internationals. I could not remember many names and thanks to some goanetters who provided clarifications and verifications. I have spoken from the heart that some those who I mentioned may have been bit disappointed with the way things turned out after liberation. That's the price one pays. Freedom has its own price. Coming to another relevant topice that of freedom fighters being given monthly pension or monetary rewards or compensation, I do not find anything wrong with it. Many freedom fighters fell on bad days. They suffered a lot. It is for the freedom fighters to decline such offers by saying that they did it for the country and with their hearts. Whatever one may say, June 18 will remain symbolic in more sense than one. It would remain more glorious that the actual Liberation Day. The freedom struggle had its own share of factional groups and most of its history is now written. Yet, more needs to be written and I am not sure if any more thesis are in the works on this subject. Eugene -- -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. Miguel Braganza, S1 Gracinda Apts, Rajvaddo, Mhapsa 403507 Goa Ph 9822982676 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Goanet] The Rape of Goa...as a tool to Save Goa?
Dears, I met Rajan Parrikar at Panaji this evening. He showered some choice words for me .. apparently to make up for the absence of the rain! ;-) God bless him and his ilk. I am loving it. Mog asundi. Miguel Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 19:57:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Rajan P. Parrikar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet] The Rape of Goa...as a tool to Save Goa? Mervyn Lobo: I find it DISGUSTING... Cornel Dacosta: I find Rajan's material disgusting in the extreme. I aim to please. r -- -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. Miguel Braganza, S1 Gracinda Apts, Rajvaddo, Mhapsa 403507 Goa Ph 9822982676 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.
[Goanet] MUMBAI-SEVA DHAN: Patients Evicted From De-Addiction Centre, NGOs Appeal Chief Minster
Patients Evicted From De-Addiction Centre, NGOs Appeal Chief Minster By SAR NEWS MUMBAI, Maharashtra (SAR News) -- Several Non-Governmental Organisations (NGO) together with the Mumbai-based Catholic Secular Forum (CSF) made a representation to Maharashtra Chief Minister Vilasarao Deshmukh questioning the eviction of Kripa Foundation's drug de- addiction centre from the municipality premises. It may be recalled that the Municipal authorities on May 8th, evicted patients and substance addicts from the Seva Dhan centre run by the Kripa Foundation alleging non-payment of long-pending municipal corporation dues. While the State Minorities Commission too has taken up the appeal of the CSF, representatives of the CSF and the NGOs working towards drug rehabilitation – Seva Dhan, Kripa Foundation and National Addiction Research Centre (NARC) also met several key officers including the Chief Secretary and the Mayor of the city. Dr A J Tavares, with this NGO group said, The crux of the matter is that we will not be awarded funds from the Centre (Ministry of Social Justice and Empowerment) unless the BMC enters into an agreement with us. The BMC though is refusing to get into an agreement, without us paying rupees 1.20 crore as rental arrears. Clema Pinto, cofounder, Seva Dhan says, We first received the eviction order in October 2007, and were given fifteen days to vacate the premises. We approached Kishore Gajbhiye, Additional Municipal Commissioner, Health, Western Suburbs, who refused to hear about an agreement before we paid up the amount . The Central Government can grant us this amount only if we have an agreement with the civic body, so the NGOs requested the municipal corporation for some time, which was flatly denied to them. The NGOs are now awaiting action, expected within a couple of weeks. Ironically, the Chief Minister had recently conferred an award of Rs 25, 000 on Seva Dhan for pioneering drug de-addiction in the city.
[Goanet] STT: Bombay Culling?
STT: Bombay Culling? Something to think (STT). O God, how can you watch from heaven your own children getting killed by Bombay suburban trains? What about the so called religious leaders, can’t they do something at least in the name of their Gods? Is India really shining? Is India a developing country, if so how? By culling its own people to curb population? 12 reported deaths per day on Bombay tracks (there could be equal number of deaths which go unreported). Today 12, tomorrow 25 then what 100 per day? And then we continue saying ‘ye hai Bombay, yaham aisa hota hai’? Is Bombay using the same old brains which was left to them by the Britishers? Bombay or India has got no brain of its own yet? What about the Metro? What about the Skybus? Is it ever going to happen? When? Or what took them so long? Just 2 days ago, a 27 years old Kingfisher Executive was traveling by a train on a footboard (like many others in crowded trains). She lost her balance and falls to death. The other ladies saw her falling but none bother to pull the chain. Her other friend and room mate who was inside the same compartment got down at the next station and reported the incidence to the Rly police and rushed her to Bhagwati hospital where she declared dead. The incidence took place between Malad and Goregao Stations. Police says ‘wearing high hills and a clutching a heavy laptop have cost her life’ (News report TOIgoa June 18) No doubts, most deaths are due to victim’s negligence but there must be some health safety measures in place to prevent such deaths. One cannot simply ignore such things saying ‘This is Bombay’. We are talking about human beings here not something like damage to public property etc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa __ Sent from Yahoo! Mail. A Smarter Email http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html
[Goanet] Buying books direct from Goa
Thanks to Cecil Pinto, I learnt of an easier and cost-effective way of sending books across from Goa. If you want to buy any books from here, try this out: Go to any website that stocks books on Goa. Incomplete list below. Check out which are the ones in print. Ask a relative or friend to pick them up (you should get some discount, depending on the place you're buying them from). Then, get the books packed at one of the shops alongside the General Post Office Panjim -- called Deepak Enterprises, the proprietor is friendly and knows his work, a Mr Chari -- or the Mapusa post office (I've not been there). They will pack it for you, in plastic wrapping, with a cloth covering that's open on one side. Postal regulations require this. You can walk over to the post office (before 4 pm, in Panjim's case) and send the books across as a air packet, printed matter only. Make sure you don't include any handwritten text, note or letter in the packet. This is not allowed under the postal rules. I sent five 200-page books across to Canada and it cost me Rs 360 for postage and another Rs 40 for packaging. It reached in under two weeks. Another five larger books sent to the UK cost me Rs 445. Goanetters interested in knowing more about Goa can use this route to pick up relevant books on the topics. This would also give a fillip to writers working on Goa, help widen understanding on different perspectives related to Goa, and also offer new windows to understanding Goa. Every book on Goa out there can be a promotion for Goa, and can also help to keep touch with understanding the region. You can check out which books are in print by visiting http://www.goabooks.com, http://otherindiabookstore.com/search.jsp (search for GOA), http://shop.rediff.com/bookshop/buyersearch.jsp?crifield=blanksearch=1lookfor=Goasearch.x=0search.y=0 or http://firstandsecond.com/ (the last two are out-of-Goa, but you might get free postage on books sent within India). Searching for out-of-print jobs can be a tough task. Maybe it's time for someone to set up an antiquarian bookshop in Goa! FN -- Frederick FN Noronha * Independent Journalist http://fn.goa-india.org * Phone +91-832-2409490
[Goanet] EURO 2008 DRAW, proceeds to benefit Goa Sudharop
An update - Germany 3 Portugal 2. Good game. Exciting game expected tomorrow, Turkey v. Croatia. SpainAidan Pinto Croatia Chris Vaz Holland Paulo Colaco Dias ItalyChris Vaz Russia Milan Kojnok Turkey Conrad Rodricks Germany Gabe Menezes May the best team win. George Pinto
[Goanet] Goa news for June 20, 2008
Goa News from Google News and Goanet.org Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories. *** ESMA invoked; Goa strike called off - Hindu Business Line [Jun 16, 2008] PANAJI: The week-long indefinite strike by government employees in Goa was called off after the Chief Minister Mr Digamber Kamat invoked the Essential ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/5-0fd=Rurl=http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/blnus/27171220.htmcid=1222497707ei=_OtaSMKgGZHUggOwhJC6Bgusg=AFQjCNFQN2BwIBUQrelOooVmoVU8Beb5Rg *** Protestors block Mumbai-Goa highway over Raigad SEZ - Economic Times [Jun 17, 2008] MUMBAI: Around 5000 protestors blocked the Mumbai-Goa highway for nearly three hours on Tuesday, opposing the upcoming Maha Mumbai Special Economic Zone ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/8-0fd=Rurl=http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News/Economy/Protestors_block_Mumbai-Goa_highway_over_Raigad_SEZ/articleshow/3138171.cmscid=1222722826ei=_OtaSMKgGZHUggOwhJC6Bgusg=AFQjCNED7Mumh8qXiGIXvhl4WAWz96mZOQ *** Goan ministers slug it out over football academy - Merinews [9 hours ago] The setting up of Bharati-All India Football Federation-Academy, which was to be commissioned at Cuncolim in Goa, seems to be going through rough patches. ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/4-0fd=Rurl=http://www.merinews.com/catFull.jsp?articleID=136004cid=1223077462ei=_OtaSMKgGZHUggOwhJC6Bgusg=AFQjCNE_mV-BLXIno_UyD-iq7K998Hh39A *** Red corridor spreading to Goa - Times of India [1 hour ago] PANAJI: The government is worried that the red corridor could extend its activities to Goa. In the last two or three years there have been Naxal activities ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/0-0fd=Rurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Cities/Red_corridor_spreading_to_Goa/articleshow/3147081.cmscid=1223142973ei=_OtaSMKgGZHUggOwhJC6Bgusg=AFQjCNE12QU40znB0OdMl_rAM1oz5kYZpg *** Divorcee Patrina Churm conned out of £8 by toyboy in Goa - Telegraph.co.uk [Jun 17, 2008] By Pamela Timms in New Delhi and Richard Edwards A divorcee who had a holiday romance in Goa with a man 25 years her younger has been left penniless and ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/9-0fd=Rurl=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/india/2146595/Divorcee-Patrina-Churm-conned-out-of-andpound80,000-by-toyboy-in-Goa.htmlcid=0ei=_OtaSMKgGZHUggOwhJC6Bgusg=AFQjCNHRQY3D9WFqrYToSXT-CfqHBNKDig *** UK woman conned of £8 in Goa - Herald Publications [19 hours ago] After the break-up of her marriage and the death of her father, the divorcee flew to Goa and fell in love with Guroo. She sold her house in England and set ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/7-0fd=Rurl=http://oheraldo.in/pagedetails.asp?nid=5741cid=2cid=0ei=_OtaSMKgGZHUggOwhJC6Bgusg=AFQjCNEr6NPHwUqW1XZWEIK0FZwiySjzIg *** Inflation may spell doom for Goas charter boom - Herald Publications [19 hours ago] PANJIM, JUNE 18 #148; The charter boom in Goa could be heading for bleak days ahead as rising inflation, recession world over and hike in aviation fuel is ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/6-0fd=Rurl=http://oheraldo.in/pagedetails.asp?nid=5742cid=2cid=0ei=_OtaSMKgGZHUggOwhJC6Bgusg=AFQjCNFcxZDe2C3iq5OyntclITyyVIpgrQ *** DIGITAL GOA - Goa State Industries Association (press release) [17 hours ago] DIGITAL GOA is a reputed media house based in Goa. Besides publishing a fortnightly IT magazine - Digital Family -- for last 8 years and maintaining a Goa ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/3-0fd=Rurl=http://www.gsia.in/2008/06/digital-goa.htmcid=0ei=_OtaSMKgGZHUggOwhJC6Bgusg=AFQjCNHG5ezBlHYlBMC1KNHVjsLeiWAWFw *** Brit woman conned of £8 by Indian toyboy in Goa - Sify [Jun 18, 2008] London: An Indian man was arrested for cheating androbbing an English woman out of more than £8 after faking a holiday romance with her in Goa and ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/2-0fd=Rurl=http://sify.com/news/fullstory.php?id=14697143cid=1222875105ei=_OtaSMKgGZHUggOwhJC6Bgusg=AFQjCNEG-IrDCffao83AHF-ZW94G-EyUhQ *** Goa to achieve zero revenue deficit - Business Standard [17 hours ago] PTI / Panaji [June 19, 2008] , 11:22 IST Goa targets to achieve zero revenue deficit and reduce fiscal deficit to three per cent of the gross domestic product, ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/1-0fd=Rurl=http://www.business-standard.com/common/click_track.php?act=news_nowvar=40299cid=0ei=_OtaSMKgGZHUggOwhJC6Bgusg=AFQjCNEQ7KHVkKlvTfIsWN300MQ6SARGsg Compiled by Goanet News Service http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php
[Goanet] Goanet Tiatr
This is in reply to Message No: 6, dated: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 from Roland Francis under subject has mentioned above. Roland wrote: I am definitely returning my tickets to the Junior Menezes tiatr in Toronto in July. I have just discovered another far better show on Goanet between Barad and Govekar. It has intrigue, insult, butler English, and comedy. The only other vital ingredient missing is love and romance. A challenge to the Goanet female readers or writers. Any more of this and I shall even stop watching my favorite Air Farce, 22 minutes and the gags on Comedy Club in Montreal. Keep at it guys, we are enjoyong ourselves. My response: Thank you very much for your message! While you enjoy, please note that all my postings, ever since I joined Goanet (check Archives), are neither a COMEDY SHOW nor usage of BUTLERY ENGLISH nor directed to you to think in INTRIGUE. IT'S A REALITY SHOW..if you want to enjoy MUCH BETTER SHOW BE IN GOA BE WITH GOANET IF AT ALL YOU have REAL PUMPING HEART for GOA.. be with TRUE GOANS...irrespective of caste, color, creed, and everything - preserve GOAN IDENTITY. Don't EVER surrender TO disgusting Disguise Please think...think ..think...before you rest down with your favorite computer using your favorite INPUT DEVICE (Key Board - or equivalent) to key IN your SAY / RESPONSE. GOA is AMCHE MATTI AMCHI TAKAT. (Any Questions on this) Best regards, Dr. U. G. Barad
Re: [Goanet] The International Goan Convention July 2008 - Brahmin Issues: Vol 3, Issue 735
This post contains my responses to first Seb and then Edward who both misunderstood what I had written previously. Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 13:43:38 +0400 From: Seb dc [EMAIL PROTECTED] In plain simple language, i had asked; Do you have a Ph.D or Not? Cause if you read your mail properly in your first Para you below you say Even with my less-than-Ph.D. education... Mario responds: Seb, I'm sorry to be the one to inform you that it was YOU who did not READ or WRITE your mail properly. To begin with, isn't it obvious that less-than-Ph.D. means that I don't have a Ph.D.? Seb wrote: Then in the next you say: ...the wisdom of Solomon and Bill Gates combined, and we Ph.D.'s are just a bunch of Einstein wannabes. Do you have a job for us where we can dirty our hands?:-)) - your words not mine!! Mario responds: Seb, I know I was born at night, but it was definitely not last night!:-)) Don't you know that when you truncate a sentence, it can change the meaning of the sentence completely? Now, let me show you the difference when one reads my full sentence, in proper context: I had written: I think Edward is just having some fun with the Ph.D.s on Goanet, some of whom - not most - certainly have delusions of superiority, but who should respond accordingly, something like, Edward, you are absolutely correct. You have the wisdom of Solomon and Bill Gates combined, and we Ph.D.'s are just a bunch of Einstein wannabes. Do you have a job for us where we can dirty our hands?:-)) [end of quote] See what I mean, Seb? If you don't, let me give you a clue. The clue is that I was clearly talking about the Ph.D.s on Goanet, and then I said, who should respond and then I wrote what THEY should say. I was not talking about myself, Seb, which is the part you missed. I had already made clear earlier that I was not a Ph.D. when I said, less-than-Ph.D. Are you getting the picture? Seb wrote: Was this so hard to grasp? That was the precise reason i told you not to reply...cause you have a very tough time understanding plain english, Mario responds: Seb, do you see now that it is YOU who has a hard time grasping plain English on Goanet? Seb writes: and most of the netters are reluctant to engage in a conversation with you. Mario responds: Oh, I don't know. The archives are filled with Goanetters engaging in conversations with me. Seb wrote: You are like the DOLE(I wonder if you know, what that is) Mario responds: Seb, I live in the US. The only Dole I know is Bob Dole who was a US Senator some years ago and his wife, Elizabeth Dole, is currently a US Senator. I don't think I am anything like either Bob or Elizabeth Dole:-)). Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 08:56:04 + (GMT) From: edward desilva [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do you have any idea what you are saying on Goanet? Mario responds: Yes. Absolutely. You can see that in my response to Seb above, and my comments below. Edward wrote: Are you always drunk? if not, What is all this? Mario responds: I have been known to occasionally have drunk well and not too wisely, but that was when I was young and irresponsible:-)) It has been quite awhile since I was young:-)) Edward wrote: As Seb said most of us try to avoid replying to your mail. Mario responds: As I explained to Seb, this is not quite true. The archives will prove that there are several Goanetters who respond to what I write. However, there are some who are unable to respond because my logic has been so devastating and conclusive:-)) Edward wrote: This is ridiculous. Seb has lost his train - has he? Mario responds: No, Seb hasn't lost his train! Seb never had a train! What Seb had lost was his train of thought and his ability to spell. Here is what I was referring to. Seb wrote, Appologies for burting in...but MG dear, do you have or do you not? See what I mean? Do you have or do you not have WHAT? He forgot to say. Now he's trying to explain himself and making a bigger mess than before as you can see above. We have a saying here in America, If you find yourself in a hole, the first thing to do is STOP DIGGING!
[Goanet] The Caste blah blah blah ...not at The International Goan Convention please
rui nuvo responding to Cornel da Costa (inter alia) wrote: 1: Yes, I do belong to the social caste system in which I happen to be a Brahmin. 2: My culture is Hindu. And I am a Christian. 3: Much of what you say I have heard on Goanent ad nauseam eg Brahmins killing Dalits and raping their women Dears, May I suggest to all you good people that you keep this caste nonsense out of the 2008 Convention in Toronto? From what I understand of Goa and our culture, these international conventions are the last vestiges of Goemkarponn left. The rest of Goa and Goan culture is being wiped out. Please, let us do everything to preserve our Goan culture - and not waste time on useless and divisive issues. For one, Caste plays NO major role in Goa today. Leave the Convention in peace, please. My only other comments re the above points - are as follows: 1: Never mind the spin, the caste system was/is a method of discrimination which took control of Hinduism. The clerics took over control of the territory.and made the rules. In a way, the Laws of Manu were a 'fatwa' of their time. Clerics be on top when there are Warriors and Chieftans? Hence.. religion, God et al . These days, some churches/temples/cults are finding novel methods of relieving the naive of money. 2: I submit that the practise of the Caste System makes one a Hindu - It is definitely unChrisitian. ...as the type of discrimination is contrary to the life and teachings of Christ. 3: The Dalit controversy is thicker than one can imagine. It is true that there are atrocities against the Dalits but there are many occasions when the Dalits are used as pawns. I must say that I believe that enough 'leveling' of the playing field has taken place since 1947/1950. I am opposed to any further reservations on the basis of Caste / Tribe etc especially in the high tech and highly specialised fields. walk in the park fields Ok ...but no further. From now only Merit please. just my view jc
[Goanet] IN THE NEWS: Alfredo de Melo, a WWII veteran from Goa now resident of Montevideo, Uruguay
http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Default/Scripting/ArticleWin.asp?From=ArchiveSource=PageSkin=TOIBaseHref=TOIGO/2008/06/18PageLabel=4EntityId=Ar00401ViewMode=HTMLGZ=T Fighting Nazis and industry leadership Alexandre Moniz Barbosa establishes contact with Alfredo de Melo, a WWII veteran from Goa now resident of Montevideo, Uruguay As a kid he teamed up with siblings and friends to play war games, fighting a 'friendly' war that ended up in bruises on the slopes of Altinho, Panaji in the 1930s. Just a few years later he was parachuting on to the battle fields of Europe to fight the Nazis in World War II. The war over he set off for Uruguay, to establish a business in the South American country and even serve as vice president of the Uruguayan Chamber of Industries. Life has not only taken Alfredo Froilano de Melo half way across the globe but wound him up to. Now 84 and despite having left Goan shores in his early teens, Alfredo hasn't forget the Goa of his childhood. His book, 'From Goa to Patagonia' released last year, recounts in fond detail the years he spent in Portuguese Goa. But travelling to Goa is no longer a possibility. I am afraid it is highly unlikely that I shall travel to India again. My cardiologist does not allow me to travel on economy class and only two weeks ago, I could walk just two blocks without being out of breath, says Alfredo. But he remembers Goa a lot, keeping in touch with his birth place through email, exchanging messages with friends made in cyber space. I only keep in touch with Fernando do Rego, as I don't know anybody else. I don't even know Fernando personally, says Alfredo. His love for Goa tugs at his heart and he laments, I have not done anything for Goa, except offering to give half my royalties to an orphanage, recommended by Fernando's brother Fr Vasco do Rego. Alfredo has two books to his name, 'Columbus' and 'From Goa to Patagonia' one on Christopher Columbus, the other his memoirs. For young Alfredo who spent his early years in a sprawling mansion at Altinho, life was easy. His was a privileged lifestyle, with tutors coming to the house, his father being the reputed doctor Froilano de Melo who went on to represent Goa in the Portuguese parliament. Early home schooling took Alfredo to Bishop Cotton Boys School, Bangalore and then to Madras Christian College, attempting to study medicine at the Madras Medical College. But he was soon off to Portugal seeking a degree at the Oporto Medical College, where his father was a visiting professor. But Lisbon had other distractions to offer. Outings to the theater and socializing abundantly brought Alfredo in contact with various people, including one Phillip Newman, who turned out to be the Chief of British counter espionage in Portugal. Still a teenager, Alfredo found himself involved in counter espionage activities and halfway through med school found that there was a serious threat to his life. Hoping to find safety elsewhere, he opted for the battle fields of Europe volunteering to fight in the ongoing war for Britain and following a quick preparatory course, Alfredo teamed up with a commando unit which dropped by parachute into occupied Holland. Caught in the battle of the Bulge, Alfredo and his colleagues were captured by the Nazis and taken prisoner-of-war by the Nazis on December 17th, 1944. It was four month's before the American forces led by General Patton would liberate Alfredo and his fellow soldiers. Having had enough of Europe it was to Argentina that Alfredo went, before making Uruguay his home, where he established his own plastic industry and served as vice-president of the Uruguayan Chamber of Industries. A socialist, Alfredo could, but stayed away from politics. Although by conviction, I am a socialist, and have voted for the socialist party here, I have never sought public office nor got involved in politics. Now living a life of retirement Alfredo has turned to writing and travelling, the latter bringing him to an excursion of India too. That was enough to make him savour the flavour of the dishes that are rustled up in the Goan kitchens. The one thing that I would do if I go to Goa, would be to taste the spicy food, which I don't get here. His little contact with Goa has been enough for him to gauge the way the State is progressing. Says he, The politics of Goa seem outrageous. There is too much corruption. In fact I only glean these from the mails that Fernando sends around the world. Anyhow, each country has the government it deserves.
Re: [Goanet] The Rape of Goa...as a tool to Save Goa?
Folks, Goanet started out as an un-moderated forum. All topics that were interesting to members were discussed, without any restrictions. When a member got out of hand, other members would write to the offending party informing him so. About ten years ago, someone made a post exactly the same as Rajans post of yesterday. People complained that their children were reading Goanet and they did not want their kids to be exposed to senseless and disgusting posts. At the time, a member wrote to us saying that the person who sent in the offending post had previously suffered a nervous break down and was known to have stress problems. Because of this, moderators were introduced to Goanet. It seems that the 'moderation' has come a full circle. Yesterday we read the exact same post that made Goanet a moderated' forum. The 'moderators' deemed the disgusting post as being worthy of Goanet. Rajan Parrikar's replied to an excellent post using the most coarse of thoughts. Is this the type of behaviour we want to cultivate on Goanet? Is this the type of forum we want to build? Lets take this one step further. After I protested to Rajan, I got a reply that cannot be reproduced here. Someone else also sent us a private email saying that he too got an email from Rjan with the same language. Miguel Braganza reports that he was verbally abused by Rajan in Panaji because of Miguel's protest on the same vulguar post. Look at the post below. Not only is Rajan unrepentant about his post, he is now gloating, adding more of the same disgusting thoughts. This has to be stopped (somewhere). I have tried asking the offending party to stop but he refuses to do so. I ask all the moderators to take their responsibilities more seriously when deciding if such posts are acceptable to this community or not. Either that or we will see Goanet stoop to the level of the gutter. Mervyn3.0 -- Rajan P. Parrikar wrote: To Goanet - Mervyn Lobo: I find it DISGUSTING... Cornel Dacosta: I find Rajan's material disgusting in the extreme. I aim to please. Miguel Braganza: IT SUCKS! It doesn't blow? You must be a disappointed man. Warm regards, r __ Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail. Click on Options in Mail and switch to New Mail today or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca
