[Goanet-News] The Paid Pipers of Panjim (Book review by Augusto Pinto... in thehoot.org)
--- http://www.GOANET.org --- 2008 International Goan Convention Toronto, Canada http://www.2008goanconvention.com --- The Paid Pipers of Panjim People who read newspapers in the naïve faith that the journalists are batting for them, will get a rude shock after reading such accounts. AUGUSTO PINTO reviews In Black and White: Insiders' Stories about the Press in Goa. Book Review In Black and White: Insiders' Stories about the Press in Goa. Ed. Frederick Noronha, Published by Goa 1556, Goa, 2008. Price: Rs 195. The press is a Piper who will play tunes for whoever pays him, or at least whoever pays him some attention. This includes the publishers of newspapers, the advertisers, the government, the readers, and those who produce the paper – such as the editors and other journalists. But at least on occasion, he must perform for the downtrodden and the voiceless; those who may never even be able to buy a copy of the paper or to read one. Or else, he risks losing his relevance. This is not just the case in Goa, regarding whose press this book is about, but is so all over India, and indeed, all over the world. 'In Black and White' is an account of the press in Goa in recent times which gives ample evidence to this proposition. It is a collection of essays by Goan journalists from the time of its Liberation from Portuguese rule in 1961, up to the entry of The Times of India's Goa edition in 2008; with glances at the entry of new media such as the television and the internet, which have changed the face of journalism. But since one can hardly speak of a medium without speaking of the message it conveys – one also gets a series of snapshots of the momentous events regarding Goa that hit and sometimes did not make it to the headlines. But before one examines the significance of this book, it is useful to remember that the story of the printing press in Goa goes back to 1556, when the first one in Asia was, by a stroke of luck, established in Goa. [A printing press, which was supposed to go to Abyssinia (nowEthiopia), with a batch of Jesuit missionaries, arrived in Goa on March 29, 1556. En route, while they were preparing to proceed to Abyssinia, news reached them that the Emperor there was not keen to receive the missionaries. Thus the press stayed in Goa and was set up at the College of St. Paul in Old Goa.] 'Goa 1556', which has published the book under review, is named in memory of that event. The first phase of printing in Goa was controlled by the Portuguese clergy and the government, and mainly occupied itself in publishing religious texts to help them in converting the local populace to Christianity. This phase continued till the middle of the 17th century when the last book of this Gutenberg type press rolled out. Printing in Goa resumed in 1821 when the government brought a printing press from Bombay, and began publishing a weekly called Gazeta de Goa to inform people about govt. policy. But around 1846 onwards, in the midst of an era which the sociologist Robert Newman calls 'traditional – colonial' the local aristocrats began to be able to afford to buy printing presses and began publishing journals, mainly weeklies and monthlies, to propagate the views of the factions they represented. For instance the O Ultramar sided with the Christian Brahmins, while the A India Portuguesa was the mouthpiece of the Christian Chardos [equivalent of Kshatriyas]. Apart from these, there were Marathi publications begun mainly by the Saraswat Brahmin merchants as a means of communicating among themselves without too much interference by the Portuguese, who were not too familiar with the language. Then there were Roman script Konkani journals edited by either elite Catholics or the clergy. Most of these are now defunct but 'Vavraddeancho Ixtt' [Workers' friend] and the monthly 'Gulab' which still cater to mainly middle and lower middle class Christian readers of Goa and Bombay, are examples of such journalism. The early publishers and journalists saw their papers as mainly performing a public service to their constituents (though in reality many of these papers were often merely pandering to the egos of the publisher-editors). In the tiny Goan market where advertisers were few, these journals often published at a loss, as is indicated by their high death rate. But after Goa got liberated in 1961, a new era of publishing began. In the run up to the first General Elections to the Assembly of the then Union Territory of Goa, Daman and Diu, at least 5 Marathi dailies and one in English started. Of these, the ones that thrived belonged to rich Goan mine owners. It seems clear in hindsight that these were
[Goanet-News] Goa news for July 18, 2008
--- http://www.GOANET.org --- 2008 International Goan Convention Toronto, Canada http://www.2008goanconvention.com --- Goa News from Google News and Goanet.org Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories. *** HC issues notice to Goa Health minister - Indlaw.com [9 hours ago] City bench of Bombay High Court today issued notice to Goa Health Minister Vishwajit Rane in the writ petition filed by Utt Genkara challenging the decision ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/4-0fd=Rurl=http://www.indlawnews.com/newsdisplay.aspx?74d1d388-1cfa-456f-a180-1ab01d81c729cid=1228152917ei=-tV_SImtLpaQgAOj2c3TDAusg=AFQjCNH6wKkhCtBUwGDQ7MBaDRGxuKTS_g *** Oldest fort in Goa to get a face lift - MSN India [18 hours ago] Panaji: One of the oldest fort in Goa is all set to become a major tourist attraction with a UK-based trust sponsoring its restoration work. ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/8-0fd=Rurl=http://lifestyle.in.msn.com/travel/article.aspx?cp-documentid=1568091cid=0ei=-tV_SImtLpaQgAOj2c3TDAusg=AFQjCNHV9iLhjBqXuaRjtBWYBfkeCkaS4g *** Goa is where Bollywood loves to holiday - Daily News Analysis [7 hours ago] Goa is definitely the favourite holiday spot for most Bollywood celebrities. From Esha Deol and Arshad Warsi to Imtiaz Ali and Malaika Arora Khan - they all ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/3-0fd=Rurl=http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1178145cid=1228160285ei=-tV_SImtLpaQgAOj2c3TDAusg=AFQjCNEhJ8OlTiO4uqJX1E3WM3wfMCjN2w *** Threat to expat homes in Goa - BBC News [1 hour ago] Attracted by the fine weather, beautiful coastline, friendly locals and favourable exchange rate, hundreds of British people who have visited Goa on holiday ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/0-0fd=Rurl=http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7507766.stmcid=0ei=-tV_SImtLpaQgAOj2c3TDAusg=AFQjCNFtABZDgp5HYrYhYgEE0ma2nirRfA *** Goa cheapest destination for Brits - Herald Publications [18 hours ago] In fact, Goa works out a third cheaper than the companys next-cheapest holiday spot, Morocco (a holiday in Britain itself ranks much, much higher on the ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/9-0fd=Rurl=http://oheraldo.in/pagedetails.asp?nid=7027cid=2cid=0ei=-tV_SImtLpaQgAOj2c3TDAusg=AFQjCNEI3kc6q11h5qCQvnA_A_LSRrJVNQ *** Bank of Maharashtra CMD visits Goa - Navhind Times [14 hours ago] PANAJI #148; The newly elected chairman and managing director of Bank of Maharashtra, Mr Allen CA Pereira, visited Goa, recently.He inaugurated the renovated ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/7-0fd=Rurl=http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=071723cid=0ei=-tV_SImtLpaQgAOj2c3TDAusg=AFQjCNEnR8PaxCJaDeY54eVhpSwXZSmfOg *** Goldman Sachs retains #152;buy on Sesa Goa - Economic Times [Jul 15, 2008] Goldman Sachs retains its positive stance and #152;buy rating on Sesa Goa with a 12-month target price of Rs 5450. However, it has removed the company from its ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/6-0fd=Rurl=http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ViewsRecommendations/Goldman_Sachs_retains_buy_on_Sesa_Goa/articleshow/3239942.cmscid=0ei=-tV_SImtLpaQgAOj2c3TDAusg=AFQjCNGDxg6runf_VMItluIv9UsXY4UTqQ *** UK-based trust to sponsor beautification of Goa\'s fort - Economic Times [Jul 15, 2008] 16 Jul, 2008, 1218 hrs IST, PTI PANAJI: Rising from the ruins, Goa's one of the oldest fort is all set to become the tourist attraction in another ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/5-0fd=Rurl=http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News/News_By_Industry/Services/UK-based_trust_to_sponsor_beautification_of_Goas_fort/articleshow/3240245.cmscid=1228022632ei=-tV_SImtLpaQgAOj2c3TDAusg=AFQjCNEhLIqYsUNW1oDlpmzSPeUwyzRMWA *** Panel for knowledge SEZs in Goa - Navhind Times [2 hours ago] by RAMNATH N PAI RAIKAR PANAJI #148; The opposition to industrial special economic zones in Goa may have reached the crescendo, however a sub-committee on ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/2-0fd=Rurl=http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=071837cid=0ei=-tV_SImtLpaQgAOj2c3TDAusg=AFQjCNHKL-SkYN_XSz02ue1WL5aouT4www *** Is the central university status for Goa University justified? - Times of India [17 hours ago] Goa University has been listed as one of the varsities that will be accorded central university status. The university, that came into existence in 1986 is ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/1-0fd=Rurl=http://o3.indiatimes.com/mytimes/archive/2008/07/17/4930851.aspxcid=0ei=-tV_SImtLpaQgAOj2c3TDAusg=AFQjCNFXapVYzovAfVdF0KKCzjP6GJj9Kg Compiled by Goanet News Service http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php
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[Goanet] The Paid Pipers of Panjim (Book review by Augusto Pinto... in thehoot.org)
The Paid Pipers of Panjim People who read newspapers in the naïve faith that the journalists are batting for them, will get a rude shock after reading such accounts. AUGUSTO PINTO reviews In Black and White: Insiders' Stories about the Press in Goa. Book Review In Black and White: Insiders' Stories about the Press in Goa. Ed. Frederick Noronha, Published by Goa 1556, Goa, 2008. Price: Rs 195. The press is a Piper who will play tunes for whoever pays him, or at least whoever pays him some attention. This includes the publishers of newspapers, the advertisers, the government, the readers, and those who produce the paper – such as the editors and other journalists. But at least on occasion, he must perform for the downtrodden and the voiceless; those who may never even be able to buy a copy of the paper or to read one. Or else, he risks losing his relevance. This is not just the case in Goa, regarding whose press this book is about, but is so all over India, and indeed, all over the world. 'In Black and White' is an account of the press in Goa in recent times which gives ample evidence to this proposition. It is a collection of essays by Goan journalists from the time of its Liberation from Portuguese rule in 1961, up to the entry of The Times of India's Goa edition in 2008; with glances at the entry of new media such as the television and the internet, which have changed the face of journalism. But since one can hardly speak of a medium without speaking of the message it conveys – one also gets a series of snapshots of the momentous events regarding Goa that hit and sometimes did not make it to the headlines. But before one examines the significance of this book, it is useful to remember that the story of the printing press in Goa goes back to 1556, when the first one in Asia was, by a stroke of luck, established in Goa. [A printing press, which was supposed to go to Abyssinia (nowEthiopia), with a batch of Jesuit missionaries, arrived in Goa on March 29, 1556. En route, while they were preparing to proceed to Abyssinia, news reached them that the Emperor there was not keen to receive the missionaries. Thus the press stayed in Goa and was set up at the College of St. Paul in Old Goa.] 'Goa 1556', which has published the book under review, is named in memory of that event. The first phase of printing in Goa was controlled by the Portuguese clergy and the government, and mainly occupied itself in publishing religious texts to help them in converting the local populace to Christianity. This phase continued till the middle of the 17th century when the last book of this Gutenberg type press rolled out. Printing in Goa resumed in 1821 when the government brought a printing press from Bombay, and began publishing a weekly called Gazeta de Goa to inform people about govt. policy. But around 1846 onwards, in the midst of an era which the sociologist Robert Newman calls 'traditional – colonial' the local aristocrats began to be able to afford to buy printing presses and began publishing journals, mainly weeklies and monthlies, to propagate the views of the factions they represented. For instance the O Ultramar sided with the Christian Brahmins, while the A India Portuguesa was the mouthpiece of the Christian Chardos [equivalent of Kshatriyas]. Apart from these, there were Marathi publications begun mainly by the Saraswat Brahmin merchants as a means of communicating among themselves without too much interference by the Portuguese, who were not too familiar with the language. Then there were Roman script Konkani journals edited by either elite Catholics or the clergy. Most of these are now defunct but 'Vavraddeancho Ixtt' [Workers' friend] and the monthly 'Gulab' which still cater to mainly middle and lower middle class Christian readers of Goa and Bombay, are examples of such journalism. The early publishers and journalists saw their papers as mainly performing a public service to their constituents (though in reality many of these papers were often merely pandering to the egos of the publisher-editors). In the tiny Goan market where advertisers were few, these journals often published at a loss, as is indicated by their high death rate. But after Goa got liberated in 1961, a new era of publishing began. In the run up to the first General Elections to the Assembly of the then Union Territory of Goa, Daman and Diu, at least 5 Marathi dailies and one in English started. Of these, the ones that thrived belonged to rich Goan mine owners. It seems clear in hindsight that these were meant to be the handmaidens of the rapidly dominant bourgeois capitalist class. However the papers also aimed at being successful business ventures. The essays in 'In Black and White' are mainly first person accounts, many of which are amusing. One example, the first essay Sixties' Stories: Free Goa's First Polls by the septuagenarian novelist Ben Antao, now based in Canada, is a stunner in demonstrating the way the owner -
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Re: [Goanet] Goanet: 6.42
2008/7/17 Bosco D'Mello [EMAIL PROTECTED]: PS. FN's barber is also a non-Goan. That's two-for-two!!! True. And so are 90% of the persons whom I work for, which allows me to spend time in sharing info with *Goa*net. Unlike the Churchill Alemaos, I don't prefer-to-hire-migrants-and-opt-to-blast-them-publicly. The term non-Goan is a loaded one. Firstly, Goa has been defined by accident of history -- Portuguese conquest and treaties. Secondly, at one stage, we all were non-Goans. Check the DNA reports of VM's brother or Dr Teotonio de Souza as reported recently on [ http://groups.google.com/group/moira-net] Besides, a few years back, we treated a person of another caste or another religion with about as much contempt as we treat a non-Goan today. In the case of religion, this still happens... probably more so, with new biases being built up all the time. Take a look at the debate over Muslims in current-day Goa ... FN -- FN * Independent Journalist http://fn.goa-india.org Ph +91-832-2409490 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Goa http://www.linkedin.com/in/fredericknoronha
Re: [Goanet] Grand-mothers tales: a few questions?
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 00:40:12 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Subject: [Goanet] Grand-mothers tales: a few questions? 3. Does anyone remember a brother-sister combo (of Goan origin) who got into aircraft and took free flights (not as stowaways) in the late 60s/70s. Apparently they went to Germany and a couple of countries, undetected. They were from Salcette I understand but I do not know their names. One gathered this hanging around Marliz and other coffee shops where the 'heros' of the day (you know, the cool know-it-all characters in Ray-ban, cigarette in hand, shirt-open-hairy-chest showing) would hang around and chat endlessly. Try looking for a good friend of mine exactly behind Chuchill Alemao's house in Varca. You will get all, free-flights' modus operandi; I won't venture closer identification; that herein supplied is amply adequate. Alfred de T. _ Explore the seven wonders of the world http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=7+wonders+worldmkt=en-USform=QBRE
Re: [Goanet] My Bonnie lies over the Ocean
My conclusion-- If you were not so obsessed with gates and the urge for compulsive material consumption for the good life, you would indeed have those savings to sock away! ;--). On a serious note, however--I'm pretty positive you and hubby are doing just fine. It takes great intestinal fortitude to put up with those miserable conditions to save a few bucks! I'm sure those poor souls had wished they had paid more serious attention to getting themselves an education in their youth which, in the long run, is a better path to a better and wealthier lifestyle! - Original Message - From: Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 3:54 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet] My Bonnie lies over the Ocean --- On Wed, 7/16/08, Paulo Colaco Dias [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Paulo Colaco Dias [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is it really Selma? In many cases, I think it is a shame issue. In Goa they would never do certain jobs, but abroad, where nobody knows them, they have no problems in doing those jobs like cleaning, cooking, etc. Dear Paulo, I agree with you that there is a certain stigma attached to these jobs in Goa but consider it from their point of view. Many of these men are educated atleast upto 12th standard. I know quite a few who have done their Bcom and are now working onboard ships as cooks. I even know someone who did his Hotel management and is thinking of going onboard the ship. Those who are not going onboard the ship will make their way to the UK and join the packing crews in Swindon. The problem is this, when they come out of school, Goa 50 years after liberation has not been able to produce any substantive job opportunities for them. If our politicians had any vision, we would atleast by now have a list of the definitive industries we want to target. Alas all our energies are frittered away playing political games while the business of the people remains undone. Whatever development has taken place in Goa is largely by the sheer diligence of our people and despite our governments, not because of them. And Chris, boy I wish I oould have saved $13,000 a year in the US. Guess, hubby was just in the wrong job :-) best, selma
Re: [Goanet] My Bonnie lies over the Ocean
2008/7/17 Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Dear Paulo, ...Those who are not going onboard the ship will make their way to the UK and join the packing crews in Swindon. . best, selma Dear Madam, So please tell us, how was your experience at the open day in Swindon; seems to me you were not altogether impressed, else you would have been swooning? Tell it like it is, warts and all. -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London.
[Goanet] Portuguese Course in Chowgule College, Margao
Dear friends, I am happy to inform you that Chowgule College in Margao is offering courses of Portuguese from today. The last couple of days were very busy to us but exciting. The Minister of Foreign Affairs visited our centre in Panjim on 9th July, and saturday, 12th july, Instituto Camões and Chowgule College signed a M.o.U. of collaboration. More pictures of this events will be sent to you as soon as we get them. Kind regards. Delfim Correia da Silva Centro de Língua Portuguesa/ Instituto Camões Goa-Índia
Re: [Goanet] TalKing Photo: This looks like a beautiful island in the Arabian Sea
Joe, not the Jesuit retreat complex atop the Baga hill? AT Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 20:34:45 + From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] TalKing Photo: This looks like a beautiful island in the Arabian Sea Now please identify this beautiful place in the Arabian Sea Also, which one you like? 1. This one http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk1/2667864223/sizes/l/ 2. or this one? http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk1/2668685772/sizes/l/ Pictorial Clues http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk5/2395070028/sizes/l/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk5/2395071162/sizes/l/ This one Not related to above.. Our advocates/lawyers are so cheap or careless? http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk5/2403496189/ Prev. Ans. I myself not very sure of It could be Nerul Bridge (?) And the Candolim Church? Some one please confirm. Quote: The bridge http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukbridges/2670728567/sizes/l/ From the bridge you can see this beautiful scenery with church in the background http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk1/2667863045/sizes/l/ And this is the church http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk1/2668687802/sizes/l/ Clues: Not is South Goa. Not in Pernem, Bicholim, Satari, Ilhas Another pic of the bridge http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukbridges/2671550440/sizes/l/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa __ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html _ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx
Re: [Goanet] My Bonnie lies over the Ocean
--- On Thu, 7/17/08, Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So please tell us, how was your experience at the open day in Swindon; seems to me you were not altogether impressed, else you would have been swooning? Tell it like it is, warts and all. -- Dear Gabe, Unfortunately in the end we decided not to go to Swindon. It is 70 miles from our not so salubrious location, and in the interests of our daughter's intestinal fortitude on long journeys, we jettisoned the idea. I will get there one of these days though to satisfy my curiosity. Be patient dear Gaby, at the moment I am cataloging my Gulf and US experiences. The essays on London are yet to come and I have quiet a few opinions :-) selma
Re: [Goanet] My Bonnie lies over the Ocean
--- On Thu, 7/17/08, Chris Vaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Chris Vaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you were not so obsessed with gates and the urge for compulsive material consumption for the good life, you would indeed have those savings to sock away! ;--). -- Actually my husband and I talk about this often, how the attitudes of Indians have changed within one generation. My parent's generation went abroad to save and remit every shiny penny back home. Their only dream was to retire and live a comfortable life. Our generation believes in living for the here and now, traveling and basically enjoying the money while we make it. It maybe fool-hardy but the horse of Hedonistic pleasures has already bolted from the stable. best, selma
[Goanet] Call to Parents Students of Goa!
Dear Parents students, There is a BIG DISASTRE ahead waiting to ruin our posterity!! Our Goa University is SOLD OUTRIGHT!! Government is on the verge of giving Central University Status to Goa University! What a Joke!! On this query, one Goan parent said: Goans are looted from all sides by our Ministers / Politicians / their cronies / their appointees!!! To this, before I could react, one Student who heard our conversation said: Don't you think that you have lost all the battles in Goa? Which battle you have won these days?? Reason being you have been mesmerized by our Ministers / Politicians / their cronies / their appointees. THIS IS THE TRUTH REALITY OF THE DAY!!! Please don't run away from this truth But for very sure student community will question OKAY fine, now tell us WHO proposed and WHO seconded this DISASTROUS move e? We will see that this MOVE will NOT be as per THEIR whimsies. WE NEED TO KNOW ALL THE DETAILS as we need to know what nuclear deal is all about!! Don't be SUSEGAD! Be Active!!! In RIGHT DIRECTION!!! Best regards, Dr. U. G. Barad
Re: [Goanet] Disadvantages of NOT using facts and rational logic
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 19:00:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Mervyn Lobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Marcel Proust said, All the mind's activity is easy if it is not subjected to reality.? Mario responds: Proust was right - which is why I wonder why you avoid reality with such a passion. Surely you don't know more about what the Viet Cong were experiencing than their own commander, Gen. Giap? Mervyn wrote: Let me try explaining it this way. In an almost?previous life in Africa, I would shoot two or three lobsters every time I went out spear fishing. We would then take the lobsters to a tourist hotel and get?a chef to cook them. Some chefs would comment that I was very lucky that day. My standard response, then and now, is that the harder I work, the luckier I get. Mario responds: I think I understand now - by working hard you saw in 1997-2001 a market that had declined for the previous ten years, the US was running a surplus, no one knew who the next president would be, and decided that gold was at a long term low, which was the opposite of those who sold their gold to you, presumably because they didn't work as hard as you. Then you explained to Roland that this stuff was so easy for you, that all he needed to do is look at price charts in 2008 that vindicated your decision. Your secret is to work hard - which is good - then all this stuff becomes easy. I get it now. I hope Roland is getting this as well. Mervyn wrote: Yep, when the running of the US?govt depends?on the Chinese and Japanese buying its treasury bills, the?US economy?is in?trouble. Mario responds: This makes about as much sense as saying that a bank is in trouble by lending money to a customer who has always paid them back. Foreigners have always bought US Treasury Bills, which is why the Dollar is still the world's main currency. These are all well known facts. Mervyn wrote: On the other hand, those holding?non-US currencies?find that they?can now buy great US companies at give away?prices. This weeks INBEV's deal is a prime example. Its next step is to get the US treasury to pay for its expansion in the US or?threaten to move Anheuser-Busch's HQ, and taxes,?to Belgium. Less taxes for the US means more printing of money Mario responds: Mervyn, for a guy who went to college in the US and tells us he makes a lot of money trading securities and gold, you seem to have a very narrow grasp of the facts about the US economy. Foreign entities have always bought and owned US companies, farmland, commercial buildings, as well as other assets. This shows their confidence in the US economy or they would have placed their investments somewhere else. It's good for them and it's good for us. It also places their assets under our physical control and sovereignty, but they are not worried because they plan to be good US corporate citizens. Those who are not get their assets frozen. So what if the new buyer of Anheuser-Busch moves the HQ to Belgium? There are several foreign companies with HQ's elsewhere who own manufacturing and marketing businesses in the US. Perhaps all this is news to you even though a Canadian liquor company is one of them. Some of them have gone the other way and moved their HQ's to the US to get away from high taxes and regulations in their native countries. It's how the US economy works - always has. Anyway, thanks for the opportunity to explain how the US economy works. Mervyn wrote: If you are going to reply to this post, please tell us: 1) What rate of inflation?the US?reported today. 2) If?todays inflation?numbers will make the US dollar weaker or stronger. Mario responds: If your post made sense to me I wouldn't need to reply. Consumer prices were 5% higher than a year ago and rose 1.1% on a monthly basis, according to the US Labor Department said. If the Federal Reserve tightens up the money supply in response, as it is likely to do, it will strengthen the dollar.
Re: [Goanet] TalKing Photo: This looks like a beautiful island in the Arabian Sea
No Sa, this is the chapel associated with the Guv's chappel, Dona Paula. My sincere suggestion is to move the G^vernors house to Bina (it would be fitting no?) and the old functionary can be transported to Ponji by the launch from Marmagao harbour. Its quiet a stunning view in Bina you know and one does not have to roll down any hill to get to a beach is another plus. Why should we put some paan-eating deshi who can hardly sit comfortably in a chair in a majestic property as the Cabo? The only governor who had some style was Lateef. Rest of them were minor political racsals. On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 11:12 AM, Alfred de Tavares [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joe, not the Jesuit retreat complex atop the Baga hill? AT Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 20:34:45 + From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] TalKing Photo: This looks like a beautiful island in the Arabian Sea Now please identify this beautiful place in the Arabian Sea Also, which one you like? 1. This one http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk1/2667864223/sizes/l/ 2. or this one?
[Goanet] Talking Photos: Panjim
Talking Photos: Panjim Peeing with style http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk_dirtypanjim/2678284010/sizes/l/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk_dirtypanjim/2573863686/sizes/l/ Traffic congestion created by city buses (near Ferry/Police Station) All buses to same destination – Bus Stand. http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk_dirtypanjim/2678283578/sizes/l/ New Public notice (an eye wash?) http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk_dirtypanjim/2644211278/sizes/l/ This is not very far from the recently erected (above) notice board http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk_dirtypanjim/2677466323/sizes/l/ Parking Zone or Pavement Blocking Zone? http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk_dirtypanjim/2670695727/sizes/l/ another http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk_dirtypanjim/2670695913/sizes/l/ Lamp poles/Lights need help? http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk_dirtypanjim/2663233163/sizes/l/ another http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk_dirtypanjim/2664058658/sizes/l/ one more at nite http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk_dirtypanjim/2644210818/ a dog having meal (a dump bag from nearby) http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk_dirtypanjim/2644210416/sizes/l/ Welcome to Goa. I mean, every one is welcome http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk_dirtypanjim/2644209888/sizes/l/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk_dirtypanjim/2537351350/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk_dirtypanjim/2594351110/ why pay when you can do it free here? (Kuli hava meim) http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk_dirtypanjim/2634739304/sizes/l/ another http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk_dirtypanjim/2623448857/sizes/l/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa __ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html
[Goanet] EDUCATION-DIASPORA: US expats work to build business school for students in Mangalore
US expats work to build business school for students in Mangalore Princeton Junction, NJ (US) Victor Pais, a resident of Princeton Junction for over ten years, has volunteered to help in the creation of a new business school for deserving students in Mangalore, India. The school will be part of St. Aloysius College, (SAC) Mangalore – a renowned educational institution that has been guiding young minds for the past 128 years. SAC is looking to widen the scope of the education services they already provide with the construction of a new campus. With the emerging economy in India and the need for trained professionals, SAC's new facility will offer Master's programs in Business Management and IT university, a press release said. SAC has a strong history of educating deserving, but needy students from and around Mangalore, a community of mixed economic profile, but with strong belief in education. SAC has been known for its strong emphasis on discipline, academic caliber and compassion. Though a part of the Catholic Jesuit Society, SAC's commitment to secular approach is widely known around India. The generally poor condition of education in India results in ill-prepared output in students and has created a shortage of well educated graduates in the fast growing Indian economy, said the press release. SAC, which has been guided by its age-old mantra 'Lucet et Ardet' (It shines and burns), is eager to fill this void through the addition of the new campus with a goal to creating a 'top 10' business school in India. When a lack of an effective SAC Alumni network hampered SAC's search of publicity and financial support, Victor Pais stepped in to develop a Plan of Action. This aims to start and nurture a sustained drive to generate resources on a continuous and long-term basis through a growing but structured global Aloysian Partners International (API) with a presence throughout the world, uniting current local chapters of SAC alumni and attracting new partners. The Aloysian Partners of North America (APNA), an SAC alumni association (with tax exempt certification), in collaboration with API is hosting a promotional event at the Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan (Institute of Indian Culture) in New York City on Thursday, July 24, at 5:30 p.m. Further information is available via Victor Pais through Iona Shenoy at (609) 758-0800.x333 or [EMAIL PROTECTED] The promotional event will be held at the Institute of Indian Culture, 305 7th Avenue, 17th Floor, New York, NY 10001 on July 24, 2008 from 5:30 p.m. to 8:30 p.m.
Re: [Goanet] My Bonnie lies over the Ocean
2008/7/17 Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Actually my husband and I talk about this often, how the attitudes of Indians have changed within one generation. My parent's generation went abroad to save and remit every shiny penny back home. Their only dream was to retire and live a comfortable life. Our generation believes in living for the here and now, traveling and basically enjoying the money while we make it. It maybe fool-hardy but the horse of Hedonistic pleasures has already bolted from the stable. best, selma RESPONSE: On this one you have caught the bull by the horns; my sons are already spending money they don't have! Parents used to skimp and save; we used to be: come day go day, wait for pay day; that was until we had to buckle down. Glad I married prim and proper, else I would have ended up on the turf heap! -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London.
[Goanet] Talking Photo: Can you identify this Palace?
Talking Photo: Can you identify this Palace? http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk1/2677450097/sizes/l/ Sorry, no clues this time, as the question itself has the clue/ans. Ok, ok, here u go.. Chief Minister Digu's residence in the vicinity. [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa __ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html
[Goanet] Goa news for July 18, 2008
Goa News from Google News and Goanet.org Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories. *** HC issues notice to Goa Health minister - Indlaw.com [9 hours ago] City bench of Bombay High Court today issued notice to Goa Health Minister Vishwajit Rane in the writ petition filed by Utt Genkara challenging the decision ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/4-0fd=Rurl=http://www.indlawnews.com/newsdisplay.aspx?74d1d388-1cfa-456f-a180-1ab01d81c729cid=1228152917ei=-tV_SImtLpaQgAOj2c3TDAusg=AFQjCNH6wKkhCtBUwGDQ7MBaDRGxuKTS_g *** Oldest fort in Goa to get a face lift - MSN India [18 hours ago] Panaji: One of the oldest fort in Goa is all set to become a major tourist attraction with a UK-based trust sponsoring its restoration work. ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/8-0fd=Rurl=http://lifestyle.in.msn.com/travel/article.aspx?cp-documentid=1568091cid=0ei=-tV_SImtLpaQgAOj2c3TDAusg=AFQjCNHV9iLhjBqXuaRjtBWYBfkeCkaS4g *** Goa is where Bollywood loves to holiday - Daily News Analysis [7 hours ago] Goa is definitely the favourite holiday spot for most Bollywood celebrities. From Esha Deol and Arshad Warsi to Imtiaz Ali and Malaika Arora Khan - they all ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/3-0fd=Rurl=http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1178145cid=1228160285ei=-tV_SImtLpaQgAOj2c3TDAusg=AFQjCNEhJ8OlTiO4uqJX1E3WM3wfMCjN2w *** Threat to expat homes in Goa - BBC News [1 hour ago] Attracted by the fine weather, beautiful coastline, friendly locals and favourable exchange rate, hundreds of British people who have visited Goa on holiday ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/0-0fd=Rurl=http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7507766.stmcid=0ei=-tV_SImtLpaQgAOj2c3TDAusg=AFQjCNFtABZDgp5HYrYhYgEE0ma2nirRfA *** Goa cheapest destination for Brits - Herald Publications [18 hours ago] In fact, Goa works out a third cheaper than the companys next-cheapest holiday spot, Morocco (a holiday in Britain itself ranks much, much higher on the ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/9-0fd=Rurl=http://oheraldo.in/pagedetails.asp?nid=7027cid=2cid=0ei=-tV_SImtLpaQgAOj2c3TDAusg=AFQjCNEI3kc6q11h5qCQvnA_A_LSRrJVNQ *** Bank of Maharashtra CMD visits Goa - Navhind Times [14 hours ago] PANAJI #148; The newly elected chairman and managing director of Bank of Maharashtra, Mr Allen CA Pereira, visited Goa, recently.He inaugurated the renovated ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/7-0fd=Rurl=http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=071723cid=0ei=-tV_SImtLpaQgAOj2c3TDAusg=AFQjCNEnR8PaxCJaDeY54eVhpSwXZSmfOg *** Goldman Sachs retains #152;buy on Sesa Goa - Economic Times [Jul 15, 2008] Goldman Sachs retains its positive stance and #152;buy rating on Sesa Goa with a 12-month target price of Rs 5450. However, it has removed the company from its ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/6-0fd=Rurl=http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ViewsRecommendations/Goldman_Sachs_retains_buy_on_Sesa_Goa/articleshow/3239942.cmscid=0ei=-tV_SImtLpaQgAOj2c3TDAusg=AFQjCNGDxg6runf_VMItluIv9UsXY4UTqQ *** UK-based trust to sponsor beautification of Goa\'s fort - Economic Times [Jul 15, 2008] 16 Jul, 2008, 1218 hrs IST, PTI PANAJI: Rising from the ruins, Goa's one of the oldest fort is all set to become the tourist attraction in another ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/5-0fd=Rurl=http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News/News_By_Industry/Services/UK-based_trust_to_sponsor_beautification_of_Goas_fort/articleshow/3240245.cmscid=1228022632ei=-tV_SImtLpaQgAOj2c3TDAusg=AFQjCNEhLIqYsUNW1oDlpmzSPeUwyzRMWA *** Panel for knowledge SEZs in Goa - Navhind Times [2 hours ago] by RAMNATH N PAI RAIKAR PANAJI #148; The opposition to industrial special economic zones in Goa may have reached the crescendo, however a sub-committee on ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/2-0fd=Rurl=http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=071837cid=0ei=-tV_SImtLpaQgAOj2c3TDAusg=AFQjCNHKL-SkYN_XSz02ue1WL5aouT4www *** Is the central university status for Goa University justified? - Times of India [17 hours ago] Goa University has been listed as one of the varsities that will be accorded central university status. The university, that came into existence in 1986 is ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/1-0fd=Rurl=http://o3.indiatimes.com/mytimes/archive/2008/07/17/4930851.aspxcid=0ei=-tV_SImtLpaQgAOj2c3TDAusg=AFQjCNFXapVYzovAfVdF0KKCzjP6GJj9Kg Compiled by Goanet News Service http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php
[Goanet] Fwd: Goan Overseas Association (Toronto) sent you a message on Facebook...
Please forward to your friends and family in the Greater Toronto Area. Kevin -- Forwarded message -- From: Facebook [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 10:49 PM Subject: Goan Overseas Association (Toronto) sent you a message on Facebook... To: Kevin Saldanha [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kevin D'Costa sent a message to the members of Goan Overseas Association (Toronto). Subject: Goan Identity Workshop Are you Goan or Indian? Is it Chapatti, Roti or Naan? Is knowing Goan culture really that important? How about having to learn the language or eat Goan food? Would your answers be similar to your parents? Disconnected! On Wednesday July 23rd, we are trying call on all 18 to 25 year olds together to tell us what you think. Realizing this is age when you are faced with certain challenges and opportunities, the 2008 International Goan Convention in coordination with the GOA, would like to host a private, facilitated gathering to try and understand your thoughts and ideas on Goan Identity. Most adults do not really know what you all think nor do they know what you go through, your everyday stresses and pressures, and what it is that interests you. Now for the first time, there is a chance for you to be in one room, with people who think similarly like you, where you can network and forge friendships with them, and most importantly its a chance to be heard. Although your comments will remain in confidence, to ensure its importance, an overview of your insight will be presented and available to adult attendees. So they too can understand and perhaps start adjusting their ways. The $50 cost to host this event is waived and a complimentary snack vouchers will be offered. It's a sweet deal, you come, you eat, you meet others and give them a piece of your mind - all for free. So decide if you want to reach out - July 23rd is the date! If you are at least willing to consider it, send me a quick 'yes' email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I will provide further info. Anthony To reply to this message, follow the link below: http://www.facebook.com/n/?inbox/readmessage.phpt=1027924857768 ___ Want to control which emails you receive from Facebook? Go to: http://www.facebook.com/editaccount.php?notificationsmd=bXNnO2Zyb209NTA1NjE4MTc5O3Q9MTAyNzkyNDg1Nzc2ODt0bz03NjAzMDUxMzI= -- http://2008goanconvention.blogspot.com/
[Goanet] The Old Goans
Cheers Dears By Augusto Pinto The Old Goans Dears, A couple of days ago I decided to visit Uncle. Uncle's actual name is Tiberiano Ceasar Austinho Nero Souza Nazareth, scion of one of the oldest and most noble families in Moira. Although his name has a Portuguese twang to it, Uncle is an out - and - out Anglophile [that means lover of the British, dears]. That's because he had worked in the British army where he learnt to love their ways. He preferred to be called Major Nazareth, but Uncle became his sobriquet and I was involved in bestowing it upon him. Along with some other kids, [this is a story of some 4 decades ago] I had been to his house to collect money for some charitable cause, what I can now no longer remember. Tiberiano was inside the house. Being old enough to be our father, we stood at his door and, in the Goan fashion, respectfully called out to him, Uncle! Uncle!! The ex-British armed forces man came out and imperiously looked us up and down before barking out in a very British accent, Am I your 'Uncle' on your father's or your mother's side, you little b. To understand this behavior, you must know that in Britain if one wishes to address a fellow being with respect, one either calls him by his first name, or one uses his surname with a Mister, as in Mr.Nazareth or in Tiberiano's case - Major Nazareth. However we kids had no idea about all this, and terrified, we scampered off. But like little children will do, after that, whenever we spotted him, from a safe enough distance we would scream, to his fury, Uncle!! Uncle!! That was a story of 4 decades ago. But now I heard Uncle had lost his fearsome mien, [which I was told was all put on in the first place] for he was now afflicted by a disease for which there is no cure - old age. Sometimes old age is not so terrible - and in fact can be very pleasant, for the patient is both physically and mentally alert, and his maturity is an asset to the people around him. But there are times, when it comes along with other sorrows, of which Shakespeare said, come not in single spies but in battalions Sometimes it is diabetes; sometimes it is cancer; sometimes it is Alzheimer's; more often than not it is the fact that the ones whom one loves have gone before you. But any of these can make life miserable, both for the patient as well as for the care-giver. Except that for Uncle there were not that many care givers, except a woman from Jharkhand named Marina. When I went to his house, Marina led me to his bedroom. I said, Hello Uncle. Oops!!.. With a twinkle in his eye he said, So your rascally ways have not gone away, have they? I laughed, How's life treating you these days, Major Nazareth? He replied, Well as you can see I'm a wreck physically. But thanks to Marina in whose hands I am, I can say I'm lucky enough. I know of some others who sleep in urine and feces. I must have looked shocked, for he continued, I know you find it difficult to stomach this subject, but it is a fact of life which many of us elders in Goa have to live with. I said,But sir, you have three children to look after you, don't you? He laughed. Three children - yes, but they have their lives to lead. One is in Canada; another is in the Gulf; and one works on a cruise liner. They are ready to send me money, but that's not what I need. So it is this woman from Jharkhand who looks after you? Yes, and I'm very fortunate to have Marina here. I just pray that she does not have to leave me and go away. Nowadays getting domestic help is very difficult I said. Major Nazareth, don't you find it strange that we live in a country where people starve because there is no work yet there are no people to help you, even though you are ready to pay, and pay quite well? It was not a question which he had any control over, so he just shrugged his shoulders with a wry grin. After my visit, as I went home, I thought to myself that we must begin thinking about the problems which will arise for our citizens as they continually grey, even as the younger generation goes abroad, often to do the same work for foreigners which their parents require to be done for them. Till next time then... Cheers (ENDS) == The above article appeared in the July 16, 2008 edition of the Herald, Goa
Re: [Goanet] Celina Jaitley buys heritage structure in Moira
Re: From: Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] Celina Jaitley buys heritage structure in Moira Celina Jaitley buys heritage structure 17 Jul 2008, 0343 hrs IST, VICKEY LALWANI,TNN Celina Jaitley wants to completely refurbish a 150-year-old bungalow, which she recently bought in Moira village in Goa. The bungalow is known to be an old heritage structure and she has named it 'Casa de Francis Celina'. We Moidekars are not flattered because Celina Jaitley has bought a bungalow in Moira. Heritage bungalow - Forsooth! Put the news item down to media hype! -- Tony de Sa Ph: +91 832 2470148 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] M: +91 9975 162 897 --- 'All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing' Edmund Burke.
Re: [Goanet] MISS INDIA 2008 FOR TORONTO CONVENTION BALL!
Uppeka Jain is NOT Miss India-Canada 2008 BUT Miss India Worldwide 2008. The Miss India-Canada Beauty Pageant will be held on the same day as the Goan Convention Ball, July 26, at the DoubleTee International Plaza Hotel. Check http://www.missindiacanada.com/ Eugene
[Goanet] goanetters in Frankfurt
I am stopping in Frankfurt for three days from July 19 to 21 night en route to Toronto. Would like to meet any goanetters in the city. Eugene
[Goanet] A virtual visit to ILUG-Goa...
Freedom... at a Free Software meet We invite you for a virtual meet of the India Linux Users Group-Goa at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4sQK7AZyDQ ABOUT THE VIDEO: On the fourth Saturday of each month, a group of volunteer-techies meets at the Goa Science Centre (Miramar), to share knowledge and ideas. Strangely, this free-to-join, non-profit group has been effective over the last eight years in building skills, sharing talent, and keeping it going. More details at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ilug-goa DETAILS: ILUG-Goa was launched in February 2000. It has 583 members on its mailing list, and upto 15 turn up each month for the meetings, hosted generously by the (Government of India's) Science Centre, Miramar. Anyone can join this network, and all it costs is a ten-rupee entry fee to the venue for each meeting. The mailing-list is also open to all. Please visit http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4sQK7AZyDQ -- FN * Independent Journalist http://fn.goa-india.org Ph +91-832-2409490 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Goa http://www.linkedin.com/in/fredericknoronha
Re: [Goanet] 6.42
Nice to hear, its raining heavy in Goa!! Here the temp is 45+. Enjoy the rains and the smell of fresh bread. hAVE a nICE dAY Seb 6.42 pm here, and the baker's almost on time, blowing his horn, despite the HEAVY rain... -- FN * Independent Journalist http://fn.goa-india.org Ph +91-832-2409490 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Goa http://www.linkedin.com/in/fredericknoronha
Re: [Goanet] My Bonnie lies over the Ocean
--- On Wed, 7/16/08, Paulo Colaco Dias [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Paulo Colaco Dias [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is it really Selma? In many cases, I think it is a shame issue. In Goa they would never do certain jobs, but abroad, where nobody knows them, they have no problems in doing those jobs like cleaning, cooking, etc. Dear Paulo, I agree with you that there is a certain stigma attached to these jobs in Goa but consider it from their point of view. Many of these men are educated atleast upto 12th standard. I know quite a few who have done their Bcom and are now working onboard ships as cooks. I even know someone who did his Hotel management and is thinking of going onboard the ship. Those who are not going onboard the ship will make their way to the UK and join the packing crews in Swindon. The problem is this, when they come out of school, Goa 50 years after liberation has not been able to produce any substantive job opportunities for them. If our politicians had any vision, we would atleast by now have a list of the definitive industries we want to target. Alas all our energies are frittered away playing political games while the business of the people remains undone. Whatever development has taken place in Goa is largely by the sheer diligence of our people and despite our governments, not because of them. And Chris, boy I wish I oould have saved $13,000 a year in the US. Guess, hubby was just in the wrong job :-) best, selma
[Goanet] Evaluating the Past
I am not an authority on Goa's (or any other) history. Neither am I an authority on medical history. Yet as a history buff, I welcome a cross-comparison of events across other disciplines. And we should be open in evaluating how other scientific fields look at the past and remember those achievements along with the shortcomings. At the end of the day, our understanding today is built on the shoulders of those who preceded us along with their achievements and limitations. It is difficult and unfair to judge the practices of the 16th - 19th century with the way things are done now. I would like to compare the practices in medicine - a field I am familiar, with the way things were done THEN and NOW. Till the 19th century, the most common treatment for many illnesses was to bleed the patient. Often this directly led to or contributed to the patient's death. A great example is the death of George Washington in 1799, two years after completing his terms as the first President and the Father of the USA. Were physicians of that period heinous? Yet, one does not have to go that far back. In the field of cancer, fifty years ago, breast cancer was treated by removing the breast, all the muscles of the chestwall and in some cases, the ribs. Quite a few of the patients were left with a swollen non-functioning arm. Considering that now we treat breast cancer without even removing the breast, were those physicians (some famous) wicked? That would call for the re-classification of many surgeons from Tata Memorial Hospital, Bombay, and other cancer hospitals across the world, who have been described as outstanding. Often cancer treatments even as little as two decades ago (and sometimes today) are described as the effects of the treatment is worse that the disease. Some of these approaches had a success rate of only 15% - 25% with an operative mortality rate of 30-50%. (tumors of the brain, pancreas etc etc.) Yet these practices were undertaken, because not doing so was having an even worse outcome. Others in academic medicine may even justify the side-effects and mortality of treatment is as the unintended consequences of medical therapy. Few others may allude that these individual patient's death contributed to scientific data (a sacrifice at the alter of medical science). In the field of radiology, many physicians died (from radiation burns and radiation induced leukemia) exposing their patients and themselves to excessive and un-needed radiation. So how does one differentiate 'wrong-doings' from sincere attempts to improve an individual situation and / or provide a service to society? I guess the answer lies in MOTIVATION of the INDIVIDUAL (person) undertaking the practice in question. The other side of the same coin is the presence or absence of available ALTERNATIVE OPTIONS. This may apply to medicine, religion, practitioners of law-and-order, those in the military, and leaders of civil society. Even these end-points may be tricky. In medicine, one can accuse cancer surgeons of doing big operations for monetary gain. Yet many of them who developed these procedures were considered Fathers or leaders of the field and did not have extra monetary gains from their work, other than building a reputation. Others who undertook these procedures, and were monetarily compensated for the specific practice, were practicing The Standard of Care of the time (aka scientific thinking of the period or the practice of the era). Should we condemn them as atrocious for practicing the craft of their period (which has changed now)? Using similar standards, it is likely we ourselves will be judged in about two decades from now, by the attitudes, writings and philosophy that may be different from today. As we judge the period of the Inquisition (and the decades leading to its introduction), one needs to evaluate the societal situation and the political climate of the time, and what was the Inquisition hoping to accomplish. Was the social situation WORSE WITH the Inquisition? Or was the social situation bad IN SPITE OF the Inquisition? A glimpse of the life of this period can be gleamed from documents and biographies of some of their societal leaders. Very little happens in vacuum and hence it is important to inquire - what, why, when, how of the victims and the perpetrators. If the reader is seeking to read about the turmoil in Europe in the period, one can, as an example, read about the life of 'Girolamo Savanarola', a monk who was burned at the stake in 1498. These are some classical views that describe the turmoil that impacted society and the leaders of the society of that time. Today, science has a new explanation as to what triggered these massive societal changes including famine, disease and epidemics across Europe and elsewhere. I think the explanation of Threat of Protestantism is much passe, though that is the official
[Goanet] World Damao Day - 20th August, 2008 - I need your support
Dear Friends, Daman is an union Territory of India. All Damaokars will be celebrating World Damao Day on 20th August, 2008 world wide. I need your support to make this event a success. Your contribution can help by letting your relative and friends know about the event friends . If you have any topics related to Daman such as articles, postcards, recipes, Links etc. Please forward it to me and I will have it forwarded to The WDD site administrator or you can forwarded it directly to: Mr Noel Gama [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you
