date:20080928

2008-09-28 Thread Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या

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Message: 3
Date: 25 Sep 2008 08:17:48 -
From: Wilson Mazarello [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Goanet] Article by Wilmix Education or Personal Vendetta'

Hi Wilmix,

From your post I feel that your support for  Don Babush Monsoratte de Taleigao
will not go unnoticed by the Don himself and you'll probably get a five star
treatment at his enclave without any appointments and if you have any sore
neighbors or relatives he'll make sure that you are free from their glaring eyes
!!! Well done Wilmix, you surely know how to get the right people on your side.
If he can get away with attacking a police station in the heart of the Capitol
what more can you do, if you can't fight them join them and be one of them, all
the best Wilmix with your new found friendship but be very careful a snake can
be a  dangerous friend or a foe.

It's common knowledge that education is not a criteria for politics but honesty,
integrity  and morality is, but who cares about that any way ? Isn't that right
Wilmix ? Honesty, integrity  and morality does not exist in the dictionary of
most of the present politicians. As it is rightly said Politics is the last
resource for scoundrels they are in to politics today only for power  and
position which unfortunately is the means of making big bucks at the cost of Aam
Aadmi.

I'll go a little further on your dialogue of Taka khorzota eke kodden, punn to
khorpita dusrech kodden ? to put in to right prospective  Soshen doleancher
kan hadller, sonvsar kuddo zaina ! Probably that's what your high and mighty
education minister must have thought.

You seem to be an educated guy Wilmix , and I am utterly flabbergasted at your
way of thinking that it is no problem to lie on an affidavit just because it is
only an educational qualification and everybody lies about it so it's okay for a
minister also to do  so under oath. Are you in the world of reality that has
marched into the 21st century or are you still in the stone age era ?

If you have not kept up with the world around you let me remind you that all
over the world a good number of Governments and politicians have bitten the
dust, for not only a  lie but also because they failed to disclose  knowingly or
un knowingly the truth and here you say, why we should make a big fuss about a
minister lying on an affidavit ? Think again Wilmix. Have you forgotten that
once you are elected you automatically become public property and are
accountable to the general public for all your actions or inactions and should
be role model to the younger generation. If you are not aware be advised that
lying on an affidavit is a very serious criminal offence.

It is because of the mentality of people like you that we are where we are
today. It is because we let these bas .ds  get away with things like these
that they take the public for granted and do what they like without any feeling
of guilt or remorse, because they know they can get away with anything and
everything even assault, fraud, molestation, bribes, rape and even murder, all
this happens every where, so why not in Goa as well, is that what you think
Wilmix ? If that's so, you  badly need your head to be examined by a shrink , I
wouldn't mind paying the consultation fee if I can get even one Goan to think
straight !!!

Freddy Agnelo Fernandes

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[Goanet] 'Tyger! Tyger!'

Anjuna-based Chinmaya Dunster  [EMAIL PROTECTED] has put together
this fascinating video:

-- Forwarded message --

Dear Friends of India's Nature,

I have another beautiful film to share with you!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwESegF4hLw

The tigers of Bandhavgarh National Park, India, hunting, swimming,playing.
A century ago there were an estimated 40,000 tigers in India. Today
there are less than 2000 left.

Together with some new music of mine.
Warm regards

Chinmaya
http://www.chinmaya-dunster.com

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[Goanet] ENTERTAINMENT NEWSFLASH: Goa de Porto Night 2008 with ARCHIES

2008-09-28 Thread Goa's Pride www.goa-world.com

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Re: [Goanet] What To Do In Falling Markets - Off topic

2008-09-28 Thread Mervyn Lobo

Roland Francis wrote:
 I shall soon write a synopsis of a US and Global economic outlook
 based not on one but on two of North America's leading economic and
 market analysts. Their credentials are impeccable. Each of them have
 40 years of market experience and they are both alumni of different
 Ivy League business schools besides being CAs, CFAs and MBAs.
 Sufficiently credible wouldn't you say?



Francis,
I work with these guys.
Some are brilliant
Some are burn outs.
Some have theory's that cause financial institutions to fail.



 Currency basically has two fuctions - a store of value and a medium of
 exchange. In today's world nobody (except of course the hapless person
 who strores money in a mattress) uses any currency in the world as a
 store of value.



Francis, just last week, people where lining outside Washington Mutual 
bank branches to get their money back. The bulk of the worlds savings are in 
currency notes. Next is precious metals and jewelry. 



 Monetary policy means that the US will print unlimited money to combat
 the vaporization of assets that has taken place.
 
 That in itself is not a problem. It will not cause inflation because
 no money is being put in disposable channels. It is merely replacing
 money that has disappeared due to bad investments.



The money that is being printed, is for bank depositors who want their money 
back.
When there is a run on a bank, people do not want a cheque from the bank. 
They want cold hard cash. When people cannot trust the bank with their cash, it
usually gets put into circulation. This is another factor that leads to 
inflation.



 Mervyn you are unduly concerned about the US dollar. Not by a long
 measure is it going to be replaced or even significanlt depreciated.
 The US GDP is a father big enough to take care of that baby.



Mario has already provided us the terrible Euro/US peso rates. Canadians see it 
this way.
When George Bush became President, one US dollar would buy you CAD $1.50.
This year, one US Peso would only buy you CAD 95 cents. If this is not a 
significant
depreciation to you, you don't have anything to worry about.



Lastly, last month I finally got my act together, borrowed a little money from 
Citibank 
and started my own hedge fund. For those of you who need more info, here is the 
link.


http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]/2816396972/in/set-72157607049161411/


Mervyn3.0


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[Goanet] Cops: Goa nightclubs sitting ducks for terrorists

2008-09-28 Thread D'Souza, Avelino

Cops: Goa nightclubs sitting ducks for terrorists
28 Sep 2008, 0548 hrs IST, Preetu Nair,TNN

PANAJI: Nightclubs in the state will continue to rock, but under the
glare of security. Calling discotheques and other entertainment venues,
sitting ducks for terrorists, the police have issued notices asking
them to strengthen security or face consequences, which could lead to
imprisonment. 

Pointing out that several entertainment and nightclubs premises were
unsafe, director general of police B S Brar said, Goa is a tourist
state and we have to ensure that all premises are reasonably safe. If it
is not so, and the owners permit entry of people with this knowledge,
legal action would be taken against them under section 304 and 304 (a)
of IPC. 

While section 304 of IPC deals with culpable homicide not amounting to
murder, section 304A deals with causing death by negligence not
amounting to culpable homicide. 

Goa being a tourist destination can be the potential target for
terrorist attacks. To ensure security we are taking these steps as a
majority of discotheques and entertainment zones in the coastal areas
are sitting ducks for terrorists, said SP (north) Bosco George. 

Rushing to meet the demands of the police, a few nightclubs have hired
women bouncers as door security staff along with male bouncers, while
others have banned the parking of vehicles close to the venue, besides
illuminating the area, installing CCTVs and metal detectors. 

We have everything in place to ensure safety and security of our
guests. We have placed a metal detector at the entrance and have not
only employed male bouncers but even female bouncers for the first
time, said David D'Souza of Club Titos and Cafe Mambo at Baga. Besides
illuminating the place, Titos have also installed CCTVs on the road
leading to the nightclubs as well as inside the club and ensured that no
one parks close to the venue.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Goa/Cops_Goa_nightclubs_sitting_ducks
_for_terrorists/articleshow/3535814.cms

~(^^)~

Avelino

[Goanet] Daily Grook #231

2008-09-28 Thread Francis Rodrigues


DAILY GROOK #231
___

FASHION PASSION
___
by Francis Rodrigues

cosmetics lady
oh see her run,
how cld she be
avon any fun?

 _
puns  word-play of all kinds,
if you read between the lines!
_
http://2008goanconvention.com/nostalgia.php


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[Goanet] Goa the Abode of Death

2008-09-28 Thread soter

As three more youth in their teens get swallowed by the tempting seas and two 
more youth are arrested for dacoities, a woman jumps in the Mandovi and here 
body recovered near marriott, there is only one thing that keeps coming back to 
my mind again and again. The nature is no more going to be tolerant and 
benevolent to us the ungrateful Goan people. Our ancestors have always shared a 
very deep bond with the nature around and though illiterate they had a wisdom 
that far surpassed our present day PhDs.  They treated their surroundings as 
living beings. They just had one principle 'Live and Let Live'. 
We the so called over enlightened and technologically advanced generations have 
not acknowledged this fact and have traded our lands, hills and waters for 
prostitution and vice.  All this just for that extra jingle tingle in our 
pockets. We cheer the real estate sharks demanding industries to employ our so 
believed rising unemployed professionals senselessly churned out from Colleges. 
On the other hand, Mr. Ralph D'Souza of TTAG cries that there are no Goan youth 
coming forward to work in the tourism industry.  It's all about Jingle Tingle 
glamopur economy and easy multiplication of wealth that determines development. 
We have angered the nature Gods and they will be unforgiving. All our jingle 
tingle  will vanish in the upkeep of security guards and lifeguards but we 
shall not have peace until we fall on our knees and undo the wrongs. Goa will 
no more be Goa. It will just be reduced to a can of avarice, lust, conspiracy, 
mental illnesses and the likes. The party of Peace for which the hippies 
thronged to Goa's shores is over, henceforth it wil be the party of Death. We 
are already a suicide point along India's coast. Our rivers will die, the seas 
will engulf us, the hills will tremor and disease will flourish. Long live the 
development by Goan crabs and conspirators.  On one hand we destroy our 
'Special Abode' while on the other we prepare the grounds for 'Special Status', 
only till the next elections I suppose. 

-Soter D'Souza

[Goanet] Ref: A major crises in the Church - article by George

2008-09-28 Thread Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या

In response to:

Message: 10
Date: 26 Sep 2008 21:59:36 -
From: Jerry Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Goanet] A major crises in the Church - article by George

Hi Jerry,

Thanks for your support, Marshall has put forth a good number of article to show
the intensity of destruction of life and property in the name of religion which
is just a front. It's nothing but a political game.

People of different religions have liven in peace and harmony for years, it's
just guys like Salvi that are the tools used to dismember society and
destabilize the country.

I only hope and pray that the public in general more so the Hindus see through
this veil of deception and redeem this country from these evil communal forces.
We on our part have do what it takes to open the eyes of as many as possible.

Freddy Agnelo Fernandes

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[Goanet] St Joseph's, Panchgini

St Joseph's Convent, Panchgini: any Goanetters studied here?
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[Goanet] BBC E-mail: Bomb hits India market shoppers

2008-09-28 Thread rubygoes

rubygoes saw this story on the BBC News website and thought you
should see it.



** Bomb hits India market shoppers **
A bomb blast at a market in India's capital, Delhi, kills one and injures at 
least 15 people, local media report.
 http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/2/hi/south_asia/7639302.stm 


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[Goanet] BBC E-mail: India's divisive economic zones

2008-09-28 Thread rubygoes

rubygoes saw this story on the BBC News website and thought you
should see it.



** India's divisive economic zones **
The Indian government's plan to create 250 Special Economic Zones is especially 
controversial in the industrialised state of Maharashtra, reports Prachi 
Pinglay.
 http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/2/hi/business/7632411.stm 


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[Goanet] Experience biking on the ghats of Goa

2008-09-28 Thread D'Souza, Avelino

Experience biking on the ghats of Goa
28 Sep, 2008, 0429 hrs IST,John Sarkar, ET Bureau

The sun was out after a brief stint of rain. The air was salty and beads
of perspiration clung on to anxious faces like transparent mosquitoes.
We were all a bit sore after the wild party the previous night. I even
had a throbbing head, but once I saw them, I couldn't help but grin. 

They were all parked neatly in a row-red, black and orange. Scores of
Yamaha officials were fussing over them like busy ants, applying last
minute touches before the ride. And the FZ 16s basked in all the
attention, the sunlight glinting devilishly off their chunky tanks. 

The bike looked anything but a 150cc machine. BMX type handlebars, an
unconventional headlight and low profile fat tyres gave it a brutish
street fighter look. And honestly, it looked more classy and
contemporary than any of the machines available in this country today.
Even the beautifully sculpted indicators and tail lamps gave an
impression of careful design. They merged seamlessly into the overall
geometry unlike the ones that are plonked on to the so-called modern
bikes sold to unsuspecting bike enthusiasts today. During the launch
Yamaha dubbed it as the Lord of the Streets. And I didn't have to wonder
why. 

My knees were twitching nervously as the other test riders gathered
slowly around the bikes. Tsutomu Mabuchi, CEO and MD of India Yamaha
Motor, dressed casually in a pair of shorts went around greeting
journalists in his customary cheerful fashion. The riders from Yamaha
looked quite the part in their blazing red jackets. And there were
nervous smiles all around. 

Finally, after a short briefing our bikes were assigned to us. I got the
key to a Lava Red FZ 16 and could already feel my heart thumping. The
idea of a ride around Goa was dormant for a long time and I could
finally feel the moment drawing near. 

I looked around as we were being segregated into three groups. It was a
show of riding gear all around-riding jackets, gloves, boots and fancy
helmets. But I stood out in the crowd in my worn out black t-shirt and
faded jeans. What the heck, I thought; it is so hot and muggy, so might
as well stop feeling guilty. 

I thumbed the electric start. But nothing happened. Immediately, a
Yamaha official rushed towards me and fiddled around with the starter
button. It was a bit stiff but finally he set it right and the grin
returned to my face. Finally, we were off. 

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Features/The_Sunday_ET/Experience_bi
king_on_the_ghats_of_Goa/articleshow/3535583.cms
 
~(^^)~

Avelino

Re: [Goanet] Open letter to Goanet and other Goan related websites

2008-09-28 Thread Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=obnubliating

2008/9/28 Gilbert Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Now that I have praised Augusto Pinto about this linguistic prowess, can I 
 ask something that
 this supurlo Goenkar could not find his Webster's dictionary?
 What is obnubliating (see last word below)
 Regards, GL

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[Goanet] A report in images... photos from BITS Pilani Goa campus' Software Freedom Day (Sept 27, 2008)

2008-09-28 Thread Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या

Software Freedom Day Sept 27, 2008 BITS-Pilani Goa campus
http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/2893262124/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/2893288618/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/2893286786/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/2893285136/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/2893272446/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/2893270960/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/2892428897/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/2892425971/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/2892424611/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/2893260516/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/2892420237/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/2892418739/

BITS PIlani Goa campus
http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/2893247780/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/2892417193/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/2892412795/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/2892414165/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/2893250164/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/2892407017/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/2893243652/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/2893241464/

My beautiful [GNU]Linux
http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/2893269422/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/2892427311/

Students and organisers @ Software Freedom Day Sept 27, 2008
BITS-Pilani Goa campus
http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/2893283640/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/2893278780/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/2893276926/

(Photo-shy) Derek Cordeiro and DP
http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/2892442971/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/2892441471/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/2892415511/

(Photo-shy) Bijon Shaha @ Software Freedom Day Sept 27, 2008
BITS-Pilani Goa campus
http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/2893291280/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/2893290014/

DP @ Software Freedom Day Sept 27, 2008 BITS-Pilani Goa campus
http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/2893293776/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/2892453481/

Getting ready for the slideshow
http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/2893275652/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/2892434871/

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[Goanet] The Wheel Chair Pawn Shop at GMC

2008-09-28 Thread edward desilva

Hi All,
Even in this day and age - I cannot for the life of me imagine one living in a 
CAVE.
The new Terminal FIVE in UK. They have decided to charge £1/- for using the 
trolley.
NOT REFUNDABLE.
-
But the off season mango sellers from Southall have opened a stall at the 
airport and are taking anything valuable as pawn to refund the passengers £1/- 
when they return.
-
Of course the above is a joke, but will Tony see it as such?
 
When I was in Goa last time a lady came to my doorstep wanting to recycle my 
old trainers, clothes etc. in return she gave me 2 melamine plates.
I asked what are they for?
she said as payment for your old discarded trainers.
I said no! take them back - she looked at me in amazement.
I said take the plates AND the trainers.
 
And here I am - Tony saying no one in India will pinch hospital wheel-chairs.
In the same sentence he says this: when GMC is bristling with security
guards and servants who seem to be idling away their time
YES Tony, they are even sleeping with the feral dogs when on duty.
Go back to your cave Tony. You are not ready for the 21st Century - yet.
ED.
-
Tony de Sa [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
I cannot for the life of me imagine any one taking a wheel chair, loading it
into a vehicle and carting it away - not when GMC is bristling with security
guards and servants who seem to be idling away their time. I understand the
nurses concern for getting back the wheel chair allotted to their department
as they are accountable. But since every wheel chair is labelled with the
ward number, if a wheel chair is left out of place, it should be immediately
returned to the correct place. Like at airports, a person taking a trolley
can move anywhere within the precincts of the airport and just leave it
there. There ought to be someone  to collect the wheel chairs and return
them to their proper places or the wheel chairs could have electronic
tagging chips installed to make the task of locating them.

[Goanet] Our Mothers are crying, Can we make a PEACE bomb instead!!!

2008-09-28 Thread mario rodrigues


OUR MOTHERS ARE CRYING!!!
 
 
The TERROR hearted men now uses tiffin boxes to shorten innocent lifes and earn 
his reward from the terror boss and lives his future, scott free.
Whereas the 9 year old sweetheart boy who loved to carry tiffin boxes to school 
to make his future, perishes doing an act of kindness. 
 
9 year old sweethearts mother cries for no fault of hers nor was it the fault 
of  her loving child. And the mother of the terror hearted  also cries for 
giving birth to a sweetheart who has now turned terror man. Its always the 
mothers have to suffer inspite of the  9 months pains and agony to bring them 
to this world.
 
I am so disturbed that I don’t know what must be going through the minds of 
those millions of children when they open their tiffin boxes to eat their 
snacks/food during recess time. What must be going through the minds of 
thousands of tiffinwallas in Mumbai who from early morning ensure that the 
tiffin boxes reach the office goers offices? What must be going through the 
minds of all mothers , fathers , husbands, wifes, people who make food at our 
home, restaurants while they fill the tiffin boxes for their loved ones?
 
11 people play for India and earn millions while our army which is around 
1.1million who has vowed to protect India are now making headlines because of 
low pay scales. I think the management of  IPL should take over the army 
thereby India can dream of winning this WAR ON TERROR. 
 
We know from below question that usually the  fathers are good: 
What father among you, if his son asks for bread, would give him a stone, or 
if he asks for a fish, would give him a snake instead of the fish?
 But sadly I now know that   TERROR hearted fathers do exists in this world, 
many now in India,  who keeps a BOMB in a tiffin box instead of chocolates.
 
I feel disgusted by the facts that this explosion is termed as a mild 
explosion. How can anyone make such a statement. Even if no person is hurt by 
an explosion the people with concern(those whom we voted in and also those who 
were voted out) should leave their selfish differences and should join hands to 
ensure noone ever gets hurt. This is what our goals should be. What is 
happening now because of so many blasts/crimes/attacks taking place so 
frequently is that we wake up only if many people die or if there is a big 
explosion or if many places of worship destroyed or many people are 
burned/living in fear. God, we have become so thick skinned, people without 
compassion. We are used to seeing other peoples relatives, child, friend die 
not knowing that death comes like a thief and this thief might be just outside 
our doors. We have to leave aside our egos, dreams, aspirations and  work 
towards nabbing these terror hearted before they put an end to us. 
 
I hate those countries who invented the BOMB. It would have put an early end to 
world war 2 and would have saved many lifes(American), but sadly this very bomb 
 has destroyed and is destroying and would continue to destroy many many more 
innocent lives and can even trigger a much devastating world war III. 
 
The BOMB  the BOMBER needs to be BOMBED, peacefully. Can we make a PEACE BOMB, 
instead?
 
Mario Andrew Rodrigues
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[Goanet] Ref: The Wheel Chair Pawn Shop at GMC

In response To:

Message: 9
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 03:43:02 +0530 (IST)
From: lenny dsouza [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Goanet] The Wheel Chair Pawn Shop at GMC - I support it

Hi Lenny, 

It looks like you are just seeing things straight, open your eyes wide and take
a broader view of things, there is a vast difference between a wheel chair and a
trolley don't confuse just yourself because they do the same work (carry load).

Tell me one thing, do you know how to use a wheel chair, the safety mechanism or
the emergency features ?  We might think we know every thing, first and foremost
a wheel chair is the property of the hospital and no one should be allowed to
handle it other than the trained staff or the helpers, why are they there for,
if not for the safety and protection of patients and the hospital property ?  It
is the solemn duty of the hospital staff to use the wheel chair, during
admission into the hospital, during their stay in hospital as well as at their
discharge from hospital, if they do their duty the way they should be doing, why
should the relatives and friends of patients be handling the wheel chairs any
way ? It a risk to the patient. The patient is the responsibility of the
hospital till such time that he is placed securely and safely into an ambulance
or a car.

Like most things, it happens only in our India !

Freddy Agnelo Fernandes

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[Goanet] Man gets life for sexual abuse of daughter

http://www.deccanherald.com/Content/Sep282008/national2008092792416.asp

Man gets life for sexual abuse of daughter
DH News Service,Panaji:

A father of three has been sentenced to life for sexually abusing his
minor daughter for years. DNA test provided the clinching evidence,
and the Goa Children's Court did not grant any leniency after tests
confirmed that he had fathered his daughter's child. The case has
shocked the South Goa village and came to light on a neighbour's
complaint to the police. The trial court has withheld the man's name
to protect the girl's identity. Nothing less than life imprisonment
would meet the ends of justice, Judge Desmond D'Costa felt. The father
had taken undue advantage of his own daughter and destroyed the
atmosphere of trust and faith. These acts go contrary to the
protection and safety that the victim child should have had in her own
house, he said.

The 16-year-old victim who now has a baby to look after, testified
against her father and asked that he be punished with a life term. The
abuse began soon after the man's wife, sickened by his alcoholism,
left him six years ago.

The convicted man has two other minor children, but the trial court
dismissed pleas for leniency saying the abuse was the most
humiliating events in the life of the victim.

[Goanet] Ref: The black hole of Mapusa

In support of:

Message: 1
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 23:00:03 +0530
From: Tony de Sa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Goanet] The black hole of Mapusa

Hi Tony,

Our civil and administrative Authorities have lost their sense of sight, hearing
as well as smell, what can we do ? It's not just Mapuca, it's all over Goa, They
will only react when one of their own becomes a victim of this neglect or if it
is in front of their very own residences.

My advise to all Goans, start dumping all the waste in front of the entrances of
the residences of these Authorities, and I assure you they'll be cleaned up on a
daily basis if not on an hourly basis. Ofcourse   M for money, will be big
motivator but will we, be able to sustain their big demands day after day year
after year 

The Authorities cannot handle the present crises and what will happen when more
and more mega project are approved and more and more people migrate in to Goa ?
Food for thought isn't it ?

Freddy Agnelo Fernandes

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[Goanet] Trio King - a video 'anthony singing live'

2008-09-28 Thread JoeGoaUk

Trio King- A video

singing live on 27/9/08
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8FictXxuJ0

This could be his last singing on a video

A Pic - Anthony with the musicians
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk12/2892207842/



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[Goanet] Talking Photos: Panjim CCP v/s non-Goans

2008-09-28 Thread JoeGoaUk

Talking Photos: Panjim CCP v/s non Goans

CCP says ‘No urinating here’
Public says ‘Who cares?’
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk_dirtypanjim/2894801836/sizes/l/


CCP says ‘ No nuisance here’
Public says ‘That’s not for us’
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk_dirtypanjim/2818482438/sizes/l/


It seems all the UP gaddawalas are now aware that Mr. Rajan is not around in 
the city now.

Bhelpuriwala Gaddas are inctreasing day by day.

At ferry, there is one additional gadda.  
That could mean a councillor is reacher by Rs.50,000

anothe one just come up at the El Dourado road Junction past NT and Navataro.  
There is one gadda seen permantely just behind the ricksahw stand or near the 
Almeida Wine stores.

I was also told that another one re-appeared at Kamat hotel

Each new gadda could mean our Councillor/s are richer by Rs.50,000.

No wonder why Bhelpuri walas had increased their rates by 50 fronm Rs.10 to 
Rs.15 per item/plate.



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[Goanet] Skit from World Goa Day - Club de Goa, Brisbane. Queensland. Australia

2008-09-28 Thread Joy de Souza


Message
Hi guys

As you know the Goans have a small association in Brisbane which is called 
Club de Goa. (The explanation of the name is long winded but suffice to say 
it is a cross between the Portuguese name and the African-Goan 
interpretation of the same!)


To celebrate WGD, the club had the usual Club Day which is held regularly in 
a school hall on the 4th Sunday of the month along with a skit, the brain 
child of talented teacher and actor David Albuquerque from Margao who is now 
more-or-less a converted Aussie.


Here is the video from the World Goa Day skit in August 08.  It is  in 
two( 2 )  parts.
After viewing the first part the second part will show up on the side bar in 
related videos.


Please feel free to share and enjoy

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=mYWD6xOSySY

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=0a8Cz23VB1gfeature=user

Louis D'Souza

Re: [Goanet] Nostalgia #15

2008-09-28 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo

Thank goodness the so-called freedom fighters haven't seen VdeG at the top - 
or else it would have faced the same fate as that of the statue of Luis de 
Camões a few hundred metres away.  A silly act, if I might say, as the famed 
poet did not attack, but praised and immortalised the Isle of Love (Anjediva) 
in his poems.  

The pedestal, without its rightful owner, is a bit weird, as the pedestal, in 
the way the Portuguese did these things, has references to the poet. 

The same goes for the pedestal which features Jai Kisan/Jai Jawan(???) on the 
Miramar roundabout which, if I am not mistaken, has Afonso de Albuquerque's 
voyages embossed on its circumference.

Gabriel.

--- On Sun, 28/9/08, Francis Rodrigues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: Francis Rodrigues [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [Goanet] Nostalgia #15
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Received: Sunday, 28 September, 2008, 3:41 PM
 Nostalgia Pic #15:
 _
 
 1956 - 2006: then and now: the Viceroy's Arch in Old
 Goa, where they
 all took office - 2 views, 50 years apart. The older pic on
 the left was
 taken in 1956, 2 years after it was restored from its 1948
 collapse.
 
 Built of green granite and laterite stone in 1597 by
 Viceroy Francisco
 da Gama, it is crowned by a small statue of his grandfather
 Vasco da
 Gama in full royal regalia. He faces the river Mandovi,
 whilst the Rua
 Direita rolls peacefully under the great arch into serene
 Old Goa.
 
 Picture: courtesy of Goa-central and moitas61 on flickr, by
 spl. request.
 
 http://2008goanconvention.com/nostalgia.php
 
 FR.
 
 
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[Goanet] Romi Konkani move elicits mixed reaction

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Cities/Goa/Romi_Konkani_move_elicits_mixed_reaction/rssarticleshow/3535809.cms

Romi Konkani move elicits mixed reaction
28 Sep 2008, 0544 hrs IST,TNN

PANAJI: The recommendation of the advisory board of the official
language cell to allow the use of Konkani in Roman script for official
communication received a mixed response, but some felt it would help
dispel the friction between groups over the controversy over use of
scripts.

It is a good step as it will help unite both camps and help the cause
of the language, Vincy Quadros, a Konkani writer and poet said.
Stating that people in any section should not feel discriminated, he
said that the row over the script had unnecessarily created bad blood
in the Konkani world.

Agreed N Shivdas, Konkani novelist, If people need a certain script
for their understanding, why rake up a controversy over it? Naik
pointed out that the use of Roman script by government agencies or for
official purposes is nothing new. In the past slogans, pamphlets and
matter for wider coverage through public displays, especially by the
health department was being written in the Roman script.

Konkani lovers feel that if the government assures them that their
correspondence will be replied to in the Roman script, many will use
it for official purpose. Those conversant with it will use it and not
English as some do now, Quadros said.

However, N Shivdas, who has written in the Roman script for many
years, pointed out that the Official Language Act should not be
amended at all. It is better to maintain status quo on the language
issue, but Roman script needs to be protected, he said. The
government has recently pursued a couple of initiatives, especially
setting up of a tiatr academy, bowing to demands from protagonists of
the Roman script.

Naik also points out that the issue of the Roman script should not be
identified with any community or religion.
Identifying the script with a particular religion or community is
bad. Anybody can write in any script, he said.

Prashant Naik said that approving of the use of the Roman script for
official communication will spur other linguistic groups. We may end
up with demands from every section to reply to communication in their
own languages, Naik said.

* * *
http://www.thehindu.com/2008/09/28/stories/2008092851300300.htm

Goa firm on implementation of Official Language Act

Special Correspondent

Goa University urges Government to set up

a centre for Konkani studies

Website for the Directorate of Official Language to be launched soon

PANAJI: The Goa Government on Friday decided to take steps to
implement the State Official Language Act (OLA) in State
administration.

Preparation of administrative terminology, training to government
officials in Konkani language and publication of Official Gazette in
official language were some of the issues discussed at length at a
meeting held under the chairmanship of Chief Minister Digambar Kamat
on Friday.

The meeting decided to constitute a subcommittee under the
chairmanship of MP Shantaram Naik to study various aspects of the
issue of use of official language in the administration.

The subcommittee will submit its report by December 15.

At the meeting, it was informed that there was a proposal of the Goa
University requesting the State Government to set up a centre for
Konkani studies.

The Chief Minister said that an appropriate decision would be taken on
the proposal only after a thorough study.

A website for the Directorate of Official Language would also be
launched soon, said officials of the directorate. Faced with the
pressure from Marathi language protagonists on one hand and the
proponents of Roman script demanding equal status on the other, the
State Government has been dilly dallying for long over measures to
implement the Act.

The State's OLA passed in 1987 after a major agitation made Konkani in
Devnagari script the official language of Goa and provided for use of
Marathi for all official purposes.

* * *

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Cities/Romi_Konkani_in_offices_soon/rssarticleshow/3532770.cms

Romi Konkani in offices soon
27 Sep 2008, 0355 hrs IST, Raju Nayak,TNN

PANAJI: Supporters of Konkani in the Roman script tasted victory, when
the advisory board of the official language cell at its meeting on
Friday recommended the use of Konkani in Roman script in government
offices.

After the government formally approves the recommendation, Konkani in
the Roman script will be permitted for communication purposes, and
government employees may submit applications, appeals or
representations in that script along with Konkani in Devnagari and
Marathi.

The meeting took place after some 30 months since the last one. The
decision gains significance as the Roman script is not recognised
under the Official Language Act.

The Act states, Konkani language means Konkani language in Devnagari
script. Various groups, including tiatr artists, had been demanding

Re: [Goanet] Open letter to Goanet and other Goan related websites

2008-09-28 Thread CORNEL DACOSTA

Hi Santosh
 In my experience, I will agree with you that Viviana is quite happy to provide 
her name and reason for a post rejection. On this count I have the highest 
regard for her approach re Goanet and have nil disagreement with her. However, 
I think I'd find it easier to extract a tooth with a pair of pliers than get 
Bosco to provide his name and any reason for a post rejection. Moreover he has 
told me personally in Toronto that since April 2008, he was no longer a 
moderator. This assertion of his was definitely not true nor that moderation 
was undertaken by people as normal members of Goanet. As to Frederick for whom 
I definitely still hold in high esteem, perhaps you will have noted that I 
indicated that I was not attacking the person but the systemic mess that Goanet 
is in regarding hundreds of unexplained post rejects.
Cornel


--- On Sat, 27/9/08, Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [Goanet] Open letter to Goanet and other Goan related websites
 
 I posted the questions to Goanet. But somebody rejected
 them. The person who rejected them did not sign his name.
 When Viviana and Bosco reject a post they invariably sign
 their name. So it is unlikely that this rejection was from
 them. As far as GoenchimXapotam is concerned, it was created
 for the following purpose:
 
 This is a forum for all outspoken Goans and Goaphiles
 who want to happily engage in heated debates on an unlimited
 and unrestricted assortment of controversial subjects.
 
 Nobody has his ego invested in that forum. Frederick is
 free to badmouth it to his heart's content. In fact, it
 would be courteous of him to post his rants there.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Santosh

[Goanet] Short films to be highlight at Goa festival

Short films to be highlight at Goa festival
http://www.indiaenews.com/bollywood/20080927/147295.htm

Short films will be the flavour at the International Film Festival of
India (IFFI) which will be held in Goa in November, officials said
Saturday.

The Entertainment Society of Goa (ESG), which is the nodal agency for
organising this annual film festival, claims this is the first time in
the history of Indian film festivals, that short films have been given
a holistic thrust, backed by a professional business model.

'IFFI's Short Film Centre (SFC) will serve as a business platform for
makers of short films, buyers, festival organisers and funding
agencies. This has never happened before,' ESG chief executive officer
Manoj Srivastava told IANS in Panaji.

Of the 500 national and international film makers who are expected to
submit their films at the Short Film Centre, 20 would be selected for
the international competition and 10 for the competition on
environmental issues.

The cumulative prize money for both the sections is pegged at $26,000.

'What we intend to do is bridge the existing gap between the various
players in the short film circuit and therefore increase opportunities
of professional interaction,' Srivastava said.

The ESG is working out this exercise in association with the Indian
Documentary Producers Association (IDPA) and the short films will be
selected by an international jury, once the submission deadline
expires Oct 15.

IFFI's other innovation is the creation of a special platform which
will enable short-film makers to show their product to prospective
buyers or funding agents.

'All the documentary films would be loaded on a central server. The
film-maker would only have to select the film they need to showcase to
a prospective client and run it on specially designed mini screens,'
Srivastva said.

Justifying this year's thrust on short films Srivastava claimed there
were 10 short films produced for every one feature film made in India
each year.

'The Short Film Centre is our contribution to keep the short film
movement chugging,' said Srivastava, a short film maker himself.

'Foreign Retro', 'Country Focus' among others are some of the other
sections which will be featured in the Goa IFFI which is expected to
start on Nov 22 and culminate on Dec 2.

[Goanet] School starts probe into Youtube fight

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Cities/Goa/School_starts_probe_into_Youtube_fight/rssarticleshow/3535816.cms

School starts probe into Youtube fight
28 Sep 2008, 0550 hrs IST,TNN

PANAJI: The principal of RMS higher secondary school, Margao, has
started an inquiry into an alleged fight between two girl students
which was filmed and uploaded on Youtube. A show cause notice will be
issued to both the students as per the Goa Education Rules.

Confirming this, school principal Vinod Pawar said, I had asked both
the parties to record their statements, but the victim girl has yet to
give her statement. On the basis of the statements collected from the
school teachers, other students who were witness to the incident, the
victim and the accused student, we will come to a conclusion and then
decide on the course of action. However, we have still kept open the
option for both parties to settle the matter amicably, Pawar added.

The victim, in her complaint to the police, said that on September 13
at 3 pm her classmate called her in the classroom telling her that she
wanted to talk to her. She then allegedly abused the victim and even
hit her badly.

The victim further complained that on the next day she learnt that a
video clipping of her being beaten up was put up on the net and
everyone started calling her up, causing much embarrassment to her.

I have not done anything wrong. I never retaliated or abused the girl
who was beating me. But she accused me of spreading rumours against
her and beat me. I am innocent and I am traumatised with the whole
episode and hurt that it has been uploaded on the net, said the
victim. However, her classmates believe that both of them are at
fault.

Meanwhile, the school authorities are now working on stringent methods
to curb the use of mobile phones in the school. Pawar added, Whenever
we catch a student using a mobile phone in the school, we call their
parents and take an undertaking from them that if they are again
caught, they will be issued a school leaving certificate.

But the number of students using mobile phones in the school is large
and we can't everyday indulge in policing and checking the students'
bags.

[Goanet] GU keeps re-election decision in abeyance

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Cities/Goa/GU_keeps_re-election_decision_in_abeyance/rssarticleshow/3535811.cms

GU keeps re-election decision in abeyance
28 Sep 2008, 0545 hrs IST,TNN

PANAJI: In a further twist to the election controversy, Goa University
(GU) has decided to keep in abeyance its decision on re-elections to
the executive union of the students' council at the Goa University. It
may be recalled that on Friday, the GU had declared the elections
'null and void'.

In a press release on Saturday, assistant registrar R R Bhatikar said
that the decision to hold the order in abeyance was taken by professor
A V Afonso, in-charge vice chancellor of GU with a view to find a
solution to the vexed issue. 'The entire process of elections to the
executive union of the students' council will now be referred to the
executive council of the university for review,' he stated.

The development came about even as members of the BJP's students' cell
staged a protest against the registrar's order at the university on
Saturday.

Later addressing a press conference, opposition leader Manohar
Parrikar said that the Congress was resorting to political pressure to
quash the election results.

We asked our students' cell not to resort to violence, but protest in
a democratic, but strong way. It was only after that, did the
univeristy keep its decision in abeyance, Parrikar said.

Referring to Friday's event where the GU announced that the elections
were declared null and void, Parrikar said that such occurences did
not even take place in Bihar. Commenting on the committee set up to
inquire into complaints of alleged irregularities in the conduct of
elections, the opposition leader said: Who is this committee, what
right do they have? What has happened is a direct murder of democracy.
This does not even take place in Bihar, he said. Ultimately,
students are sufferers of bad politics, Parrikar added.

It maybe recalled here that GU had issued a press release on Friday
declaring re-elections. The release stated, The decision to declare
the elections null and void was taken after the Committee, which was
set up to inquire into complaints of alleged irregularities in the
conduct of elections, reported that the procedure followed in the
conduct of elections by the directorate of students' welfare was not
in accordance with statutory provisions.

The note stated that re-elections to the executive union of the
students' council will be held at the earliest. The release further
stated that elections to the posts of University Class Representatives
(UCRs) and University Faculty Representatives (UFRs) are, however,
valid.

[Goanet] 4 picnickers die at 3 different beaches

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Cities/Goa/4_picnickers_die_at_3_different_beaches/rssarticleshow/3535813.cms

4 picnickers die at 3 different beaches
28 Sep 2008, 0547 hrs IST,TNN

MARGAO/PANAJI: Even as the state observed world tourism day on
Saturday, four picnickers drowned at three different beaches in Goa,
exposing once again the lack of a proper beach safety policy.

They had flouted the ban on swimming imposed around this time every
year because of rip currents-withdrawing monsoon currents which have a
seaward pull. Although lifeguards will be commissioned on October 1,
the sea will be safe only by mid-October, experts said.

Two groups of students were involved in the first two tragedies. While
a group of 17 from an institute of shipping technology in Vasco had
gone to the sea shore at Canaguinim near Cabo de Rama in Betul, the
other group comprising five students of the Guardian Angel Institute
of Catering and Management at Sanvordem were visiting the dreaded
Sunset Beach in Betalbatim that has claimed many lives over the years.
All of them were in the age group of 18 to 20.

Cuncolim police said three of the Vasco students ventured into the
waters at Canaguinim around 12.15 pm. While Yohan Kuvarupu and Amit
Kutre met a watery grave, their friend Pranay Paunikar was rescued by
a speedboat crew that rushed to the boys' rescue. Yohan's and Amit's
fathers work for the Mormugao Port Trust.

[Goanet] RESTRUCTURING OF AG'S FEES AN EYEWASH

2008-09-28 Thread Aires Rodrigues

The recent re-structuring of fees payable to the Advocate General of Goa is
a sham and a mere eye wash.



The government had gone back on its assurance that the fees of the Advocate
General of Goa would be brought on par with the neighboring states.



Even after the restructuring of fees,  Mr. Subodh Kantak would be paid upto
a maximum of Rupees 5 lakhs a month though the Advocate General of  mega
states like Karnataka, Maharastra and Gujarat average around a mere Rs.
40,OOO a month.



Mr. Subodh Kantak continues to be India's highest paid Advocate General
earning much more than even the President of India.



While Goa's Advocate General Mr. Subodh Kantak gets paid Rs. 8000/- each
time he stands up in the High Court,  his counterpart in Gujarat is paid  Rs.
700/- per day per case only if it is an effective hearing. The AG of
Maharashtra is paid Rs.5000/- per case, upto a maximum of Rs. 7000/- per day
irrespective of the number of cases he appears. The AG in Karnataka gets Rs.
1000/- for the first case and Rs. 250/- each for the subsequent cases upto a
maximum of Rs. 10,000/- per day.



The government should recover all the extra money paid to Mr. Subodh Kantak
by way of double and excessive billing especially in the Saleli case where
the Advocate General appeared in the High Court on 27th January 2006 in the
bail applications of the 102 accused and was paid 102 times Rs. 8000/-, i.e.
Rupees eight lakhs sixteen thousand although it was factually a common
argument for the whole batch of bail applications and he should have claimed
only Rs. 8000/-



While the Government was taking undue care and pampering the Advocate
General, nothing was being done to hike the salaries and improve the
benefits of Subordinate Court Judges, Public prosecutors, Assistant Public
Prosecutors and other Government advocates.



Aires Rodrigues

Ribandar

[Goanet] What To Do In Falling Markets - Off topic

In view of the discussions taking place regarding George Bush's (43) economic
policies, here in a lighter vein are some of his most memorable quotes.

The vast majority of our imports come from outside the country.

If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure.

One word sums up probably the responsibility of any Governor, and that one
word is 'to be prepared'.

I have made good judgments in the past. I have made good judgments in the
future.

The future will be better tomorrow.

We're going to have the best educated American people in the world.

I stand by all the misstatements that I've made.

We have a firm commitment to NATO, we are a part of NATO. We have a firm
commitment to Europe. We are a part of Europe.

Public speaking is very easy.

A low voter turnout is an indication of fewer people going to the polls.

We are ready for any unforeseen event that may or may not occur.

For NASA, space is still a high priority.

Quite frankly, teachers are the only profession that teach our children.

It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the impurities in our
air and water that are doing it.

It's time for the human race to enter the solar system.

Enjoy and :-),

Marshall

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[Goanet] Our Mothers are crying, Can we make a PEACE bomb

2008-09-28 Thread edward desilva

Yes Mario!
Become a Muslim and put your theory to practise.
For sure when you die god will forgive you,
Christian god may sent you to purgatory for a short while for abandoning the 
catholic faith, but the Muslim god will have 72 virgins waiting for you - it is 
written in the Qur'an. (I saw it in the channel 4 program in UK under the 
specific name of QUR'AN).
Therefore the Muslims have got every reason to kill.
Secondly the program QUR'AN said that it is written that no person should 
listen to another person about the QUR'AN, and that includes not listening to 
the Mullahs.
Immediately after Mohammeds death there were no Mullahs and up till 1973 not a 
single woman covered their head or wore the Hijab, that included all the 
Mullahs 4 women (wives).
Suddenly it has become obligatory to wear the Hijab? The University lecturer 
asked in the Qur'an program.
ED.
--
mario rodrigues [EMAIL PROTECTED]Said:-
OUR MOTHERS ARE CRYING!!!
The TERROR hearted men now uses tiffin boxes to shorten innocent lifes and earn 
his reward from the terror boss and lives his future, scott free.
Whereas the 9 year old sweetheart boy who loved to carry tiffin boxes to school 
to make his future, perishes doing an act of kindness.

Re: [Goanet] Notes from after the Azad Maidan rally

2008-09-28 Thread marie

Ref:
Message: 12
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:25:50 +0530
From: Jason Keith Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Goanet] Notes from after the Azad Maidan rally

Though late I would like to add my agreement to Jason's Notes

-- 
marie

[Goanet] State bias against minorities

Few Blind Men Of Hindoostan  
Why is the Indian State quick to nail minority offences but myopic to Sangh 
transgressions? Saba Naqvi 

http://www.outlookindia.com/full.asp?fodname=20081006fname=Cover+Storysid=1

Regards,

Marshall


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Re: [Goanet] The Wheel Chair Pawn Shop at GMC

2008-09-28 Thread Tony de Sa

Hi Edward ( edward desilva [EMAIL PROTECTED]),

You speak about mangoes and Southhall and Terminal FIVE in UK, Fantastic.
But not having seen these wonders of the modern world, I cannot comment but
just accept your word for it!

That you speak in jest is very understandable even to a Goan country
bumpkin like me. After all didn't our elders say some thing like this?
[Voile khanniea vellem pann socoile khanieavellea pannak hanstali]

For those not familiar with GMC or have never been to GMC, the security
guards are (in theory, at least) supposed to control parking, prevent theft
of hospital ware, and prevent inward ingress from unwanted animals, two or
four legged. That, as Edward says, they are sleeping with feral dogs when on
duty shows that the GMC Administration is at fault.

The issue is not about paying for the wheel chairs - which BTW are free and
supposed to be handled by the staff of GMC and not patient's relatives, its
a question of demeaning the person requesting for a chair by questioning his
honesty, integrity and plain civic sense by demanding a deposit when there
is no such provision in the Hospital rules!. There are a number of people
who come to GMC who have nothing to keep as deposit - what then, should they
keep a relative as ransom? And if there is no one else at hand?

 My post was not intended to be a joke to amuse diaspora Goans, or just for
the sake of posting as, presently,  I am without occupation.  I subscribe
firmly to Frederick (F.N.) Noronha's dictum that an issue raised on the
Internet somehow finds action taken on the ground.

Lastly, I don't  live in a cave, but just in a shack that I have illegally
put up in the local Bhatcar's property, hoping that I will get a handout
when he sells the 'bhat' to the next Mega Project Builder.

Mog assundi,

T

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[Goanet] Report on attack on Christians in Frontline

Now, Karnataka by VIKHAR AHMED SAYEED 

http://www.frontlineonnet.com/stories/20081010252002500.htm

Regards,

Marshall


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[Goanet] The Testimony of one Christian- Julio Ribeiro

The testimony of one Christian- Julio Ribeiro (Times of India dt 28.9.2008)
  
I am a Christian, a Roman Catholic to be precise. I have suddenly realised 
this. It is quite amazing that I did not think of myself as a Christian all 
these years! I was an Indian. Religion was in the private domain. No one made 
me feel that I was different and I never felt different. On one occasion in a 
temple in Punjab even the VHP's Ashok Singhal seemed well disposed! 

Why did it suddenly occur to me that I was a Christian? I really do not know 
the answer. I only know that I am sorely disappointed with the BJP for not 
reining in the VHP and Bajrang Dal, who like the SIMI and its offshoot, the 
Indian Mujahideen, feel that the best and only way to attain peace is to kill 
those who they think are different. 

My ancestors, like those of most Christians in India, were Hindus. True, I have 
a strange name. It is Portuguese in origin, but neither I nor the numerous 
other Christians sporting Portuguese surnames like Fernandes (George is a 
friend of the BJP) have any Portuguese blood. Our ancestors got these surnames 
when they were baptised and the surnames were those of the different clerics 
who officiated at their initiation. 

Was force or coercion used? I dare say it was. If not force, then certainly 
coercion. Lure of land, I learn, was the main instrument of that coercion. All 
land was appropriated by the conquerors and only those who converted retained 
their share. This, I dare say, was a powerful attraction. Even today, ownership 
of land is a dominant craving. 

Times were different in 1540 when the Portuguese landed in Goa. There was the 
Inquisition and the fervour of religious conviction. But I refuse to believe 
that force can be an option in this day and age. Can anyone be 'forced' to 
convert as the fanatics suggest? Possibly, there can be inducement. But how far 
can one go with inducements? Money, land, jobs, education? If money and land 
were in plenty to distribute, all or most converts would be immensely affluent. 
But that is hardly the case. 

Most Christian missionaries concentrate on education, health, social welfare. 
This may tempt somemarginalised families to cross over, but the answer to that 
would be to undertake such efforts yourself and not kill those who are doing 
what you yourself should have done long ago. 

The empowerment of the marginalised threatens the vested interests of the upper 
classes. For generations, tribals and scheduled castes have been kept down. 
Christian missionaries, with their stress on education and health, have 
challenged the foundations of this social order. That, I believe, is the cause 
of the present upheaval. 

The Christian missionaries do believe that their own religion is the only true 
one. All the three Abrahamanical religions, Judaism, Christianity and Islam, 
grounded in the theory of creation, believe that theirs is the only true 
religion. Judaism is not known to convert. The other two do. In this day and 
age, it is difficult to support the notion of conversions. I, for one, do not. 
To my mind it is not necessary to convert anyone. Even the Catholic Church to 
which I belong has accepted that good human beings, irrespective of religious 
belief, can attain salvation. 

But there are those who think otherwise. Should they be butchered? It is not 
only unlawful to kill. It is also immoral. And if the VHP and Bajrang Dal, like 
the SIMI and the Indian Mujahideen, do not understand this simple rule, it is 
the duty of the Indian State to make them aware of it. No excuses should be 
advanced to mitigate the horrendous nature of their barbarity, as some BJP 
leaders have done. Because excuses are quickly turned into mandates. 

Personally, I do not believe that many Hindus have been converted to 
Christianity in recent times in Karnataka or even in Orissa. In Kerala, the 
Christians have been around for the past 2,000 years. But if some conversions 
have taken place, there are legal remedies available. Surely no one can be 
permitted to take the law into his own hands and become prosecutor, judge and 
executioner rolled into one. 

And this is why I am disappointed with the BJP. The party has not come out 
strongly against the atrocities heaped on the Christians of Orissa and 
Karnataka. L K Advani himself studied at St Patrick's, a Jesuit school in 
Karachi. Nobody tried to convert him or other boys and girls who have passed 
out of Christian schools and colleges in India. He and they continue to be good 
Hindus, or Muslims or Sikhs. 

More important, they continue to be good human beings. And that is what true 
Christianity is all about. That is what I look for in my religion and what I 
admire in the teachings of Christ. Love, compassion, justice. These are 
universal values taught by all religions that the VHP and the Bajrang Dal, SIMI 
and the IM should try and imbibe. If they do not they should stop calling 
themselves Hindus or Muslims.

[Goanet] State of minorities in India

Is it really Muslims whose credibility is at stake? -  M J Akbar Times of India 
dt 28.8.2008)
  
 
There is nothing more subversive than the alternative narrative. A parallel 
version of the Godhra incident and riots sabotaged the re-election of the NDA 
government four years ago. A subaltern variation of the police operation at 
Batla House, near the Jamia Milia Islamia University on 19 September, is 
undermining the credibility of the Manmohan Singh and Sonia Gandhi government 
today. It cannot undermine the credibility of home minister Shivraj Patil 
because he has none. 

The first doubts began to circulate even while Patil, wearing a very 
self-satisfied expression on his face, began to congratulate himself in front 
of television cameras for delivering bullet-justice to two young men living in 
a small apartment of this building. He had, he said, personally supervised the 
encounter, presumably without taking any break whatsoever for fresh laundry. 

Ironically, doubt needs the support of evidence. If it is mere partisan 
belligerence, it will last no longer than a puff of acrid smoke. Some things 
did not quite add up in the official story. It was, to use a phrase familiar 
from the Sherlock Holmes oeuvre, the dog that did not bark that raised the 
first question. You rarely slip on hard concrete; it is generally the banana 
skin that turns a measured tread into a painful fall. The Rashomon effect, 
where the same event induces sharply different perspectives, can make for 
intriguing fiction; in real life, it can rip up communication lines carefully 
planted by a government trying to sell a fable. 

The first question, followed by two photographs, began to dilute the 
triumphalism of the Delhi police even during the early phase of its 
self-glorification. The authorities noted, with satisfaction, that two 
'terrorists' had been killed. They added that two had escaped from the rented 
urban cage where they lived, which was all they could afford. The deaths were 
explicable; the escape was not. The building had only one entrance, and hence 
only one exit. It was surrounded by policemen. How could the two escape? 

When the murmur became a buzz, the police attempted damage control with a weak 
suggestion. The two could have escaped through the roof, hopping across 
rooftops. But it was daytime. The roofline was surely as closely monitored as 
the roadline. Neighbourhood eyes were tense and alert. Had anyone seen this 
acrobatic, even melodramatic, form of flight? 

No. 

Two pictures propped up two ends of a growing conviction of foul play. One 
showed Inspector Mohan Chand Sharma, who lost his life, walking towards 
something, presumably the car that would take him to hospital, supported by two 
colleagues (one in a tie, the other in a T-shirt). His gunshot wound was 
obvious. There was a heavy patch of blood on the upper part of one arm, and 
only a faint discoloring on the lower front of his bush shirt, near the 
abdomen. Police had said that Sharma had died from a bullet in the stomach. The 
picture proved that the bullet had not hit the stomach, and that Sharma was 
able to come down four flights albeit with help. A bullet in the stomach would 
have left him a stretcher case, and caused far more blood loss, particularly 
through the exit wound. 

The official story changed. The self-acclamation had been blared over media, 
the change was released discreetly, through a plant that said that he died of a 
heart attack caused by blood loss. 

The questions multiplied: was Sharma hit by what is known in military parlance 
as 'friendly fire'? 

The police would have been far more comfortable about their theories if some 
intrepid photographer had not snapped Sharma. The second picture, however, was 
part of their public relations offensive. It showed three suspects, Zia ur 
Rahman, Saqib Nishad and Mohammad Shakeel. As is usual in the case of suspects 
being put on display, their faces were covered with cloth: the police are 
gracious enough to disguise the identity of suspects for they cannot be deemed 
guilty until a court has passed judgment. But there was significant departure 
from normal practice. These three had been shrouded by Arab-style headdresses 
(made famous by Yasser Arafat, and now a staple of Arab identity in countless 
TV images) instead of the anonymous black cloth used by police. 

Who had decided that these three suspects should be given an Arab identity? 
Was this a not-so-subliminal message to even the densest in the audience about 
the nature of the enemy, that the headdress was a signature of Islamic 
terrorism? Did this brilliant idea emerge from the home minister, now the 
hands-on commander, or did it emerge from somewhere lower down the food chain? 

Indian Muslims did not need to open a political dictionary to gauge the meaning 
of this forced symbolism? They knew that it was an attempt to stigmatize the 
whole community and link terrorism in India with an international

[Goanet] Boglant

2008-09-28 Thread Cecil Pinto

For an article I am writing I need to watch the movie Konkani movie
Boglant. Can someone tell me where I can buy/rent a copy on VCD/DVD?
The original songs are legally available along with the songs from
Sukhachem Sopon (RPG-Sare Gama - Rs. 199/-). One person tells me
that the 'rights' to the movies Boglant, Nirmonn and Amchem Noxib
belong to Jerome Mendes of Lenora's Restaurant in Verna. Is this true?
On the Boglant audio CD is written Compiled by Felix Correia.

Also I remember hearing somewhere that Alfred Rose composed all eight
songs and accompanying music for Boglant in just one day. Does anyone
know more about this?

Cheers!

Cecil



Valmiki Faleiro wrote:
Alfred Rose must be the most prolific of Konknni ?cantarists?
(singers.) He wrote/sang so
many songs that he lost count of them. No chronicler can fix the
number of ?cantaram? he
penned. He set most of them to music himself, sang a few hundred, solo
or in duet with wife
Rita, or others. Most, however, were sung by other artistes.
...
...

Re: [Goanet] The Wheel Chair Pawn Shop at GMC

2008-09-28 Thread J. Colaco jc

I agree absolutely with Tony.

Wheel-chairs are meant for patients who are unable to or should not
walk. These clients of the hospital should be wheeled by support staff
trained to use wheelchairs - NOT by relatives.

What nonsense is GMC up to?

I have never seen or heard of such callous dereliction of a duty
towards a patient especially one who is (temporarily or permanently)
unable to walk without assistance.

About the deposit - First of all, I hope there is no statutory
provision for this discriminatory act against the disabled. Secondly,
I suggest that disabled human beings are significantly different from
airport baggage. Even civilian airports know this. That is why they
have (paid) baggage trolley for baggage BUT assisted wheelchair
service for humans who are unable to walk.

I would have thought that the doctors at GMC would have been a wee bit
more sensitive to the needs of the disabled when compared to the
airline personnel at Dabolim.

It appears that they are not.

Bravo GMC!

Bravo for nothing!

jc

---

2008/9/28 Tony de Sa [EMAIL PROTECTED]

The .. wheel chairs are free and supposed to be handled by the staff
of GMC and not patient's relatives,

(It is) a question of demeaning the person requesting for a chair by
.by demanding a deposit when there is no such provision in the
Hospital rules!.

[Goanet] What do the Brits of Goa think of us?

2008-09-28 Thread Job CF

RUDE Ed take note!
OP did not ask any questions. Don't you know the bugs in this antiquated email 
list?

[Goanet] Hindu fundamentals are under attack- Shashi Tharoor

Hindu fundamentals are under attack -  Shashi Tharoor (Times of India 
dt.28.9.2008)
  
 
There are basically two kinds of politics in our country: the politics of 
division and the politics of unity. The former is by far the more popular, as 
politicians seek to slice and dice the electorate into ever-smaller 
configurations of caste, language and religion, the better to appeal to such 
particularist identities in the quest for votes. But what has happened in 
recent weeks in Orissa, and then in parts of Karnataka, and that threatens to 
be unleashed again in tribal districts of Gujarat, is a new low in our 
political life. The attacks on Christian families, the vandalism of their 
places of worship, the destruction of homes and livelihoods, and the horrific 
rapes, mutilations and burning alive that have been reported, have nothing to 
do with religious beliefs - neither those of the victims nor of their 
attackers. They are instead part of a contemptible political project whose 
closest equivalent can in fact be found in the Indian Mujahideen bomb blasts 
in Delhi, Jaipur, and Ahmedabad, which were set to go off in hospitals, 
marketplaces and playgrounds. Both actions are anti-national; both aim to 
divide the country by polarising people along their religious identities; and 
both hope to profit politically from such polarisation. 

We must not let either set of terrorists prevail. 

The murderous mobs of Orissa sought to kill Christians and destroy their homes 
and places of worship, both to terrorise the people and to send the message 
'you do not belong here'. What have we come to that a land that has been a 
haven of tolerance for religious minorities throughout its history should have 
sunk so low? India's is a civilisation that, over millennia, has offered refuge 
and, more important, religious and cultural freedom, to Jews, Parsis, Muslims 
and several varieties of Christians. Christianity arrived on Indian soil with 
St Thomas the Apostle ('Doubting Thomas'), who came to the Kerala coast some 
time before 52 AD and was welcomed on shore by a flute-playing Jewish girl. He 
made many converts, so there are Indians today whose ancestors were Christian 
well before any European discovered Christianity (and before the forebears of 
many of today's Hindu chauvinists were even conscious of themselves as Hindus). 
The India where the wail of the muezzin routinely blends with the chant of 
mantras at the temple, and where the tinkling of church bells accompanies the 
gurudwara's reading of verses from the Guru Granth Sahib, is an India of which 
we can all be proud. But there is also the India that pulled down the Babri 
Masjid, that conducted the pogrom in Gujarat and that now unleashes its hatred 
on the 2% of our population who are Christians. 

As a believing Hindu, I am ashamed of what is being done by people claiming to 
be acting in the name of my faith. I have always prided myself on belonging to 
a religion of astonishing breadth and range of belief; a religion that 
acknowledges all ways of worshipping God as equally valid - indeed, the only 
major religion in the world that does not claim to be the only true religion. 
Hindu fundamentalism is a contradiction in terms, since Hinduism is a religion 
without fundamentals; there is no such thing as a Hindu heresy. How dare a 
bunch of goondas shrink the soaring majesty of the Vedas and the Upanishads to 
the petty bigotry of their brand of identity politics? Why should any Hindu 
allow them to diminish Hinduism to the raucous self-glorification of the 
football hooligan, to take a religion of awe-inspiring tolerance and reduce it 
to a chauvinist rampage? 

Hinduism, with its openness, its respect for variety, its acceptance of all 
other faiths, is one religion which has always been able to assert itself 
without threatening others. But this is not the Hindutva spewed in hate-filled 
diatribes by communal politicians. It is, instead, the Hinduism of Swami 
Vivekananda, who, at Chicago's World Parliament of Religions in 1893, 
articulated best the liberal humanism that lies at the heart of his (and my) 
creed. Vivekananda asserted that Hinduism stood for both tolerance and 
universal acceptance. We believe not only in universal toleration, but we 
accept all religions as true. He quoted a hymn: As the different streams 
having their sources in different places all mingle their water in the sea, so, 
O Lord, the different paths which men take through different tendencies, 
various though they appear, crooked or straight, all lead to Thee. 
Vivekananda's vision - summarised in the credo Sarva Dharma Sambhava - is, in 
fact, the kind of Hinduism practised by the vast majority of Hindus, whose 
instinctive acceptance of other faiths and forms of worship has long been the 
vital hallmark of Indianness. 

Vivekananda made no distinction between the actions of Hindus as a people (the 
grant of asylum, for instance) and their actions as a religious

Re: [Goanet] Goan music-8: HERALD(Goa), Sept 28, 2008

2008-09-28 Thread gwasha

Dear Valmiki
Carmo Rod was a Uncle of mine on my meternal side, so is my Favourite and
Uncle Juuny Rodrigues based in kuwait
Thank you for the greta article,
God Bless
Ayres

On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 6:36 AM, Valmiki Faleiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



 GOAN MUSIC-8
 By Valmiki Faleiro

 Alfred Rose must be the most prolific of Konknni 'cantarists' (singers.) He
 wrote/sang so
 many songs that he lost count of them. No chronicler can fix the number of
 'cantaram' he
 penned. He set most of them to music himself, sang a few hundred, solo or
 in duet with wife
 Rita, or others. Most, however, were sung by other artistes.

 Alfred did a wide variety of songs, from serious to satirical, melodic to
 mournful. Like
 Alexinho de Candolim before him, many of his songs carried a strong social
 message,
 even if at times he sounded like a Sunday 'sermao.'

 Some despised the nasal in his otherwise versatile soprano voice. And, even
 though
 original most of the time, Alfred sometimes borrowed popular western tunes.
 But, as one
 of his greatest fans and my friend Filipe Dias of Madel-Margao says,
 Alfred's music was
 customer oriented. When fans requested him to set songs to particular
 western tunes,
 Alfred obliged.

 Like music generated by the Konknni stage, it's not possible to discuss
 Cantaram save
 in passing. My personal choice always was songs that spun on humour. Names
 like
 Anthony Tuloo (Lion of Cantarists), Francis de Monso, 'Big Shot', Pascoal
 (Master)
 Fernandes, Robin Vaz and Hermenzildo Francisco Camilo (H. Britton) will
 long be
 remembered for their melody-comedy.

 In this genre, singers like Kid Boxer and Minguel Rod were incomparable.
 Minguel's
 witty 'nightmare' still resounds:

 Angan tem asa nhoim re edem mottem bobor / Kai bore pole tache mou-mou
 robor /
 Ratchem sopnant ieun korta tem mhaka zobor / Mat apunn khuim rauta ti
 sangonam re
 khobor.

 Poir rati tannem sopnant ghott dhorlo maka / Ekar-ek beij diunk laglem
 paka-paka / Tea
 vogtar saiba kainch anink mhaka naka / Zago zaun tor polloi zalear mazor
 lenvta mhaka.

 Kal rati ani ek pautt jiu khoxen mhozo bhorlo / Oklecho pai soirik gheun
 amgher so
 pavon sorlo / Oitana khoxen mhunno babu apunn chol'lo / Zago zaun tor
 polloi zalear
 nakar bhonvta zorlo.

 Ekech muttin zorleache dant hanvem moddle / Zago zaun tor polloi paichea
 oklache
 arxe foddle / Pain kalukant chor mhunn maecher borech oddle / Maein chobko
 marun
 paichea khoddeache kens thoddle.

 Kestaum hem kabar zatoch auchit jhem mhaka poddli / Oklechi mae ieun nhoim
 re soirik
 mhoji moddli / Te tiddkin dhorun tika hanvem *charains* korun oddly / Zago
 zaun tor
 polloi novich kamboll pinzun soddli.

 In the general female genre, amongst the shiniest stars: Lorna (Sorg Tujea
 Dolleanim,
 Sorga Rajeant, Sopon, Noxibac Roddta – all fused in Chris Perry's music
 magic, and
 trumpet, as in Piso and Bebdo), and Rita Rose (Bottateanchi Bhaji, Ankvar
 Ravtelim,
 Kalliz Ostorechem, and in duet with hubby Alfred, Osoch Fottoitai, Tum
 Mojem Sukh and
 Anvdde Tuje Sompoi – from 'Boglant.')

 Let's move to another genre of Goan songsters.

 At a time when Goa's independent identity was under grave threat, in the
 run up to the
 Jan-1967 Opinion Poll, several gifted Goans used their pen, voice and music
 to save the
 day for their homeland. Men like Dr. Manoharrai Sardessai, Adv. Uday
 Bhembre and
 Shankar Bhandari worked hard, through their song, to stem the tide of
 public opinion that
 was almost sure to have forever obliterated the idea of a distinct Goa.

 Songs like Goenchea Mojea Goenkaranno and Goenkar zaiat zage sung by
 'Goyem
 Shahir' Ulhas Buyao and Don Pana by Assolna-born vocalist Carmo Rod,
 still echo. In
 easier times, men like Bhembre wrote songs like Chann'neache Rati (sung
 by Buyao),
 while Buyao himself produced quality songs, the most hilarious of which, to
 my mind, is
 Gagar kiteak foddta re? rendered, with equal finesse, by Varsha
 Usgaonkar.

 Dorya Deger by Santosh and Mamta Prabhugaonkar, with pleasing vocal
 skills,
 delivered a powerful message on inter-caste marriages. These are included
 in Buyao's
 album, Roop Tujem Laita Pixem.

 Mangalore also produced a rich harvest of cantaram. Helen D'Cruz and Henry
 D'Souza
 created radio history with Ye, ye, Katrina (1971), one among many in
 their repertoire.
 Then there were Jerome de Souza, Lourdes Collaco, Agnes D'Souza, among
 others.
 Wilfy Remimbus and Eric Ozario were giants on Mangalore's music matrix.

 In this penultimate piece, some more 'firsts' in Goan music…

 The first recorded Konknni song (on a vinyl gramophone record) was by Joao
 Agostinho,
 the Pai Tiatrist's Mog mirmiriancho (HMV, 1910), sung by him with his
 daughter Sofia.
 The first recorded Konknni audio cassette was by Alfred Rose. The first
 Konknni audio
 CD was by Remo Fernandes. To Remo also goes the credit of re-doing old
 classics like
 'Rajan  Prema' and 'Kustoba Rane.' The (unofficial) title of Nightingale
 of Goa was

Re: [Goanet] Open letter to Goanet and other Goan related websites

2008-09-28 Thread Victor Rangel-Ribeiro

My take on the word, obnubliating means clouding over, obfuscating.
Regards,
Victor

--- On Sun, 9/28/08, Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रे [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

From: Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रे [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Open letter to Goanet and other Goan related websites
To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org
Date: Sunday, September 28, 2008, 3:32 AM

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=obnubliating

2008/9/28 Gilbert Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Now that I have praised Augusto Pinto about this linguistic prowess, can I
ask something that
 this supurlo Goenkar could not find his Webster's dictionary?
 What is obnubliating (see last word below)
 Regards, GL

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[Goanet] Goanet] Open letter to Goanet and other Goan related

Dear Goanetters,

Goanet's Moderation is at times actually extremist! To add to it, Bosco can 
be quite condescending ... as if he has inherited some divine rights on Goanet 
like the Stewarts and the Tudors of Britain that is no longer Great. I have 
nothing against Bosco D'Mello but Moderator is a term that seems incongruous 
when used to describe him! Sole Arbitrator may be a better term to use. ;-)

I have no problems with Viviana or any one else on Goanet, now that my friend 
and irritator Frederick Noronha has become an occasional Moderator (or 
Approver ;-)] on Goanet. I have had to ask him to withdraw as Moderator on 
on Aldona Net and St. Mary's alumni list due to strong differences on the 
meaning of the term moderation. Both these lists are now moderated by 
moderate people, not extremists like Frederick and Miguel ;-( Jenifer Lewis has 
been doing a wonderful job of moderating Vascokars United yahoogroups and 
Gaspar with Gulf Goans yahoogroups. So is Savio doing a great job with Aldona 
Net and four girls are doing a great job of Chilli Net as we call the St. 
Mary's Convent alumni list in which I am a member by virtue of the three years 
in that school.

Bosco seems to be suffering from Moderation fatigue like some people in Goa 
are suffering form Agitation fatigue. In the GBA, Patricia resigned 
gracefully while Oscar resigned with a bang.Bosco can choose his own style  
or at least take a sabbatical for rest and recreation like the G.I. Joes! ;-) 
He can come back rejuvenated  with a bang, if necessary!

Mog asundi

Miguel 

Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 10:15:38 + (GMT)
From: CORNEL DACOSTA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Open letter to Goanet and other Goan related   websites
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Hi Santosh
I will agree with you that Viviana is quite happy to provide her name and 
reason for a post rejection  and have nil disagreement with her. 
 Moreover he [Bosco]has told me personally in Toronto that since April 2008, he 
was no longer a moderator. 
 As to Frederick for whom I definitely still hold in high esteem, perhaps you 
will have noted that I indicated that I was not attacking the person but the 
systemic mess that Goanet is in regarding hundreds of unexplained post rejects.

Cornel


--- On Sat, 27/9/08, Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [Goanet] Open letter to Goanet and other Goan related websites
 
 I posted the questions to Goanet. But somebody rejected
 them. The person who rejected them did not sign his name.
 When Viviana and Bosco reject a post they invariably sign
 their name.  
 Santosh




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Re: [Goanet] Kuttombachem Zhadd ... what does one call one's sister-in-law's husband?


Dear Ingrid,

Thanks for the response. However, I do recommend that you learn the Konkani 
terms for various family members to get the flavour of our wonderful native 
language and state. I am retaining a few of the terms from DOMNIC'S GOA, a book 
every Goa needs to read ... after buying a copy for self and at least one 
friend, to know more about Goa and to encourage Goan authors to publish. It is 
a shame that publications by Goans do not easily sell a thousand copies unless 
they are targeting the tourists as potential readers. How to be an Instant 
Goan by Valentino Fernandes has sold thousands of copies! 

Being in the publication business, you will understand how Cecil Pinto, 
Frederick Noronha and, of course, Domnic Fernandes feel about publishing, 
editing and writing[respectively] a good book for Goans ... who want a free 
copy and, even then, unwilling to read the book! ;-( We got quite a few school 
students to read the book DOMNIC'S GOA by making it the recommended reference 
material for a GK Quiz focussed on Goa. A gift by an alumnus to teachers in our 
school, in the memory of his father [who was also our teacher]has become a 
treasure for the retired teachers to read. For those still younger, and with 
hormones [not from HRT] revving in the body, the book is still useful as can be 
seen below: 

Baiko-la firaila aila re kanttalla
Mevnni paije mhalla! in Marathi

or 

Bhaillek bonvddavpacho aila re vaz,
Mevnni zai mhakam re az

is a song one can sing along with one's Mevnno [wife's brother] if, like me,one 
is married to an only daughter. If the wife has a sister, it is dangerous to 
sing it with the Mevnno. One can sing the song with one's Saddu [mevnni's 
husband], only if one's wife has two or more sisters. Otherwise, the Mevnni one 
sings about will be the Saddu's wife .. and he will not take kindly to a 
suggestion that one wants to flirt with his wife. ;-(


There is a growing awareness and understanding of promiscuity in the present 
day Goa,which is on the verge of a becoming a major Rest  Recreation hub 
like Pattaya-Thailand or Subic Bay-Philippines for the US Seventh fleet, now 
stationed in the Arabian Sea because of the Iraq  Afganistan conflict instead 
of the South China Sea during the Vietnam war. The so-called offshore casino 
ships are jostling for space in the River Mandovi and Porvorim's Majestic Hotel 
has recently started Casino Paradise bringing the home truth closer home. 
Prostitution is also keeping pace with the rising affluence and libido of the 
domestic tourists and the Gorah Babu. Dr. Rajesh Dhume, Senior Psychiatrist 
and Secretary of Psychaitrists Society of Goa, spoke about patholigical 
gamblers among ladies from the so-called elite families of Goa. He was 
speaking at a panel discussion on Tourism in Goa organised by the Rotary Club 
of Mapuca with Ralph deSouza of the
 deSouza Group and TTAG and Adv. Albertina Almeida as the other panelists.

 Domnic wrote that ancient truth that is going to come home to roost:
Ghoran nokllo maim-manv, bhair zanna sogllo ganv.
(The in-laws are in the dark, but the whole village knows.)
Read the context in his post below or in DOMNIC'S GOA. [Abbe Faria 
Publications, Price Rs.350/- available at Broadway Book Centre and Varsha Book 
Stall, Panaji]

Mog asundi.

Miguel 



From: Ingrid Valles Po [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Goanet] Kuttombachem Zhadd ... what does one call one's 
sister-in-law's husband?
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Goan NRI goan-Date: Sunday, 28 September, 2008, 3:09 
PM

My head is spinning . ..I'll stick to uncle and aunt and grandma 
and grandpa and niece and nephew..

Ingrid Valles Pó

-Original Message-
From:Miguel Braganza [EMAIL PROTECTED], 
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 10:20 PM

Goan relatives: a who's who
from the book DOMNIC'S GOA
by Domnic Fernandes, Gaumvaddy-Anjuna, Goa.

When a man and woman get married, they become ghov (husband)
and bhail (wife). As children, whenever friends called out
our names as we played, we would answer: Ov, (Yes!) They
would often immediately say: Tuje maincho ghov. (Your
mother's husband). This was a way of rhyming with our reply
but not just that.

In Goa, each marriage comes with a package of new
relationships. While a sun and sasupai usually share a good relationship,
the same cannot be said about a sun and sasumaim. 

Sometimes, when a sun got involved in extra-marital affairs
and the in-laws were unaware of it, the villagers would
gossip: Ghoran nokllo maim-manv, bhair zanna sogllo ganv.
(The in-laws are in the dark, but the whole village knows.)

There are other relatives too.
A dher (husband's brother) plays a vital role in a family,
especially an elder one. So does an elder voni (brother's
wife), who is always required to perform family rights and
give the lead at functions.

Often, a dher and a voni share very close relationship which
is why they say: Dher-ak sodanch mog voniecho (the
husband's brother always has a soft

[Goanet] Contacto Goa - this Tuesday

2008-09-28 Thread nalini souza


Contacto Goa on Tuesdays!

The 12th episode will be broadcast on:
RTP international - INDIA, PORTUGAL and other places:

Tuesday,30th September
INDIA  - 1:00pm
PORTUGAL - 08:30am e 8:30pm
NEW YORK - 04:00am  e 4:00pm
SYDNEY - 5:30pm
LONDON - 09:00am e 9:00pm
MOSCOW - 12:00pm

Wednesday, 1st October

INDIA 01:00am e 05:30am
PORTUGAL  01:00am
NEW YORK 02:00am
SYDNEY - 06:00am e 10:00am
LONDON - 01:00am
MOSCOW - 00:00 e 04:00am

And also:
RTP ÁFRICA  - EUROPE AND AFRICA
Tuesday, 30th September
8:45am
Wednesday, 1st October
01:00am

This episode will focus on the alternative medicine practiced in Goa , 
namely Aromatherapy, Ayurveda, Reflexology and Yoga. Our special guests: 
Priya Untawale, Dr. Dileep Senan, Minakshi Singh and Dr. S. K. Sawaikar.


Note: Please note that the above timings are based on information available 
on the RTP web site at the time of sending out this release. We suggest that 
viewers reconfirm exact timings by checking the website www.rtp.pt on the 
actual day of broadcast or switch on TV earlier.
The 2008 Contacto Goa series is produced by Nalini Elvino de Sousa and Jude 
Fernandes, and directed, photographed and edited by Francisco Veres Machado.


Further episodes of the third series of Contacto Goa will continue to be 
broadcast every 15 days, on Tuesdays at the same time, as given above.
The Contacto team can be contacted by e-mail at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Your comments are always welcome.

If you want to watch any of the previous episodes of CONTACTO GOA you can 
find them on the webpage of RTP at :
http://ww1.rtp.pt/multimedia/index.php?tvprog=20155

Re: [Goanet] What To Do In Falling Markets - Off Topic

2008-09-28 Thread Mario Goveia

Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 15:06:14 -0400
From: Venantius Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I am a bit surprised that my observation elicited the observation, shallow and 
grossly misleading and totally out of context.  Unless you are saying that 
rich people have to be rewarded through a variety of techniques that
should never be addressed as socialism for the rich, but perhaps just 
rewards for their initiatives in generating wealth, and in offering people 
like me a job. 

Mario explains:

Why would you be surprised?  I explained exactly why I described your comments, 
and Mervyn's, as shallow and grossly misleading.  In short, there is no such 
thing as socialism for the rich in US policy in the context of your response to 
Mervyn's comment which you were referring to.  To begin with, most corporations 
that are mismanaged are not bailed out - they are typically acquired at huge 
losses to their stockholders.  Even when they are, their owners pay a heavy 
price.  Finally, US tax policy is such that low income Americans pay little or 
no income taxes.

Venantius wrote:

You also quote some valuable statistics, all very true indeed. Yes it well may 
be 97% or even more, but what would that 97% entail if the upper 50% were paid 
what they really owed. I know I do not control that but can include this as a 
relevant point. That mite in the form of income taxes from the upper 50% would 
be an astronomical 97% then.

Mario responds:

No, it is 97 %, not more.    I have no idea what you mean by, but what would 
that 97% entail if the upper 50% were paid what they really owed.  I know I do 
not control that but can include this as a relevant point. That mite in the 
form of income taxes from the upper 50% would be an astronomical 97% then.

Everyone in a capitalist society is paid what they are deemed to be worth by 
those who own the businesses or their representatives in management who are 
responsible and accountable to the owners.  When the top 1% pay 40% of all 
income taxes, and the bottom 50% pay 3%, then how can you call this a system of 
socialism for the rich.

Secondly, as I mentioned, those who are in the top 1% are not the same in 2006 
as the list in 2001.  So, the composition of who exactly are the rich changes 
constantly in the US - it is not always the same people.  One cannot make the 
case that the rich are getting richer because many of them are actually 
getting poorer relative to some years ago and being replaced by others who were 
less rich some years ago.

Venantius wrote:

A bailout is also maintaining business as usual.  But what do paintbrushes like 
me know?

Mario responds:

I guess it depends on the paintbrush.  However, the fact is that a bailout is 
not even close to being business as usual.  In most cases those deemed 
responsible for the corporate debacle pay a heavy personal price, and lose 
their jobs and are replaced by others.  We, as taxpayers, pay a heavy price if 
the objectives of the bailout are not met.

Perhaps you have missed the news that Fannie Mae, Freddy Mac, Lehman Bros and 
AIG are all under investigation by the FBI.  That is not business as usual.  
Bear Sterns and Lehman Bros. and Washington Mutual will all cease to exist as 
viable entities.  That is neither socialism for the rich nor business as 
usual.

Venantius wrote:

But thinking again, its better to just listen in on your comments, rather than 
even briefly commenting as I do with some other topics. 

Mario responds:

Surely you do not expect me to agree with a proposition that does not fit the 
facts?  

If, on the other hand, you had criticized the faulty lending policies that had 
been foisted on the banking system by Democrats since the Carter 
administration, all interested in social engineering at someone else's expense, 
or criticized corporate top executive salaries that are not tied to the 
performance of the company, or golden parachutes which I abhor when they apply 
to failed executives, or criticized the top executives at Fannie Mae and Freddy 
Mac who were forced to resign for inappropriate accounting practices then 
showed up as advisors to Barack Obama, who received more contributions per year 
from this organization's employees and PACs than anyone else in Congress, or 
shown some appreciation for who produces most of the jobs in America and pays 
most of the taxes, I would have agreed with you.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.viewpageId=75586

Venantius wrote:

A while ago a person who I esteem made a point to me that I should concentrate 
more on my personal work, rather than engage on Goanet ?

Mario responds:

I would agree with the first part, but the rest of the advice seems 
shortsighted to me, because surely you can do both.  I would discourage you 
from withdrawing from the fray.  Instead, read up on these economic and 
financial issues from a number of sources, so that you are more familiar with 
how these things work.

If you are really interested in how the US

[Goanet] Monginis 46th National 'B' Chess Championships - Prize Distribution

2008-09-28 Thread Goanet Sports


'Goan chess is definitely going places' - Grandmaster Thipsay

Seven time National Champion and Arjuna Awardee Grandmaster Pravin Thipsay 
of Union Bank of India had many kind words to say while speaking at the 
prize distribution ceremony of the Monginis 46th National 'B' Chess 
Championships which took place at the Shri Damodar Devasthan, Zambaulim.


Thipsay stated that 'he had never seen such tremdendous growth in any state 
across India, the way that chess was growing by leaps and bounds in Goa'. He 
mentioned that the State Association was taking all 'the right steps' to 
promote the sport across the length and breadth of the state. He 
congratulated the organisers for smooth conduct of the tournament 
considering the fact that 'there was not a single appeal or protest during 
the thirteen rounds' and went on to add that he would be happy to visit Goa 
'any time in the future for playing in well planned events such as this 
one'.


Grandmaster Parimarjan Negi of Air India, while speaking on the occasion 
expressed his happiness over the fact that in Goa it is mostly the kids that 
are coming forward to participate in tournaments in a big way. Being India's 
youngest grandmaster himself, Parimarjan stated that this was a 'healthy 
trend' that should be kept alive at all costs as it is 'the youngsters that 
will keep the torch burning for the future generations'. He mentioned that 
he will take 'happy memories back with him from Goa' and that he will be 
more than happy to visit again in the future for chess.


The Chief Guest of the function Datta Naik presented a copy of his latest 
book to Grandmaster Thipsay stating that by strange cooincidence his latest 
novel included a chapter on chess. He mentioned as the CEO of Monginis that 
the firm was happy to associate with chess activities in the future 
especially when they were related to the Goan children.


The Chief Arbiter K.R. Seshadri presented the Arbiter's report and mentioned 
that as many as 10 Goans will be gaining their initial FIDE rating from this 
tournament. This was a 'historic event' he added mentioning the record 
number of entries (411) for the tournament and congratulated the Goa State 
Chess Association for this feat. G.B. Joshi, reputed coach from New Delhi, 
as felicitated by the Chief Guest on this occasion as were the coaches who 
have contributed in great measure to the progress in Goa  - R.V. Gokhale, 
Anup Deshmukh, Akash Thakur, C.S. Gokhale and Varughese Koshy.


Sanguem MLA Vassudev Meng Gaonkar presided over the function and 
congratulated the Goan players for participating in large numbers and 
accomplishing their initial ratings  in such fine fashion. Shri Damodar 
Devasthan Committee Chairman Manjunath Dukle was the Guest of Honour. GSCA 
President Sameer A. Salgaocar welcomed the gathering and GSCA  Secretary 
Suhas Asnodkar proposed the vote of thanks.


GSCA Vice President Augusto Pinto was the compere for the evening.

Gains in rating of Goan players

1. Anurag Mhamal (ELO 2113) gains 28 points.
2. Bhakti Kulkarni (ELO 2166) gains 14 points.
3. Cyrus Perreira (ELO 1873) gains 7 points

Initial FIDE rating accomplished by Goans (in alphabetical order)

1. Anirudh Bhat   1927
2. Kelvin D'Lima   1758
3. Kishor Bandekar  1716
4. Kulkarni, Vipul   1641
5. Mohinish Naik   1808
6. Raje, Anil1972
7. Ritviz Parab  1728
8. Rohan Ahuja   1700
9. Shravan Barve  1816
10. Snehil Shetty 1598



SOURCE: Sameer Salgaocar - Vice President, All-India Chess Federation

Re: [Goanet] Open letter to Goanet and other Goan related websites

Dears,

I am forwarding this post as it may have got rejected because of untrimmed 
referal posts. Many persons have either quit Goanet, become lurkers or reduced 
frequency of posting because of arbitrary rejections, as I have done. It is for 
the Admin Team to decide whether it wants the Goanet to survive and be relevant.


Mog asundi

Miguel



--- On Sun, 28/9/08, Dominic Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Subject: Re: Goanet] Open letter to Goanet and other Goan related
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: Goanet [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Sunday, 28 September, 2008, 11:54 PM
 Hi Miguelbab,
 
 I agree with you.
 The moderators on Goanet are no longer impartial and
 professional.
 
 I have therefore removed my membership from Goanet.
 
 best regards
 
 Dominic Fernandes
 
 On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 9:13 PM, Miguel Braganza
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Dear Goanetters,
 
  Goanet's Moderation is at times
 actually extremist!  I have nothing against Bosco
 D'Mello but Moderator is a term that seems incongruous when used to 
 describe him! Sole Arbitrator may be a better term to use. ;-)
 
Bosco can choose his own style  or at least take a sabbatical for rest and 
recreation like the G.I. Joes! ;-) He can come back rejuvenated  with a 
bang, if necessary!
  Mog asundi
  Miguel
 
  Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 10:15:38 + (GMT)
  From: CORNEL DACOSTA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: [Goanet] Open letter to Goanet and other
 Goan related websites
  Message-ID:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  Hi Santosh
  I will agree with you 
   Moreover he [Bosco]has told me personally in Toronto
 that since April 2008, he was no longer a moderator.
  Cornel
 
   From: Santosh Helekar
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Subject: Re: [Goanet] Open letter to Goanet and
 other Goan related
  websites
  
   I posted the questions to Goanet. But somebody
 rejected them. The person who rejected them did not sign
 his name.
   Santosh



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Re: [Goanet] Open letter to Goanet and other Goan related websites

2008-09-28 Thread Mario Goveia

Selma Carvalho wrote:

  I don't know about the rest of Goanetters but I would never take the word of 
a Cecil Pinto against that of fine man 
 like Frederick Noronha

Dr. Jose Colaco responded:

 My dear Selma,
 Did you read the totality of what Cecil wrote?  IF NOT  on what basis are 
 you making the comment quoted

Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 10:54:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Dear Doc,
Infra-vide or infra-red, for a long time now my email intuitively spams Cecil 
Pinto's posts.  Sometimes when I check my spam folder, I find them wedged 
between some Nigerian scam and news that I've won the Canadian lottery. 
Artificial intelligence is very good at detecting the similarity between mails.

Mario observes:

I think Fred can clear all this up, especially if he reads the following 
analysis and gets to my concluding advice to him, just before I respond to 
Eddie below.

In the interests of full disclosure I do not know either Fred or Cecil or Jose 
or Selma personally - only through Goanet.  I have an idea of what Cecil looks 
like and Fred as well because their pictures have been published.  Cecil is one 
of the best satirists we have in our Goan community and Fred is a decent 
journalist with a distinct political point of view which I disagree with most 
of the time.  I would not be able to vouch for their fine-ness if my life 
depended on it - and I am not sure how Selma can vouch for Fred and denigrate 
Cecil, though I suspect it is because Cecil has chided her for her opinions 
more than once, but then, so have I, yet she loves me like a favorite 
uncle:-))  Her comments about her spam filter insinuates that Cecil spams her 
with personal emails.  If he has done so I would be surprised because my 
experience with Cecil is that he does not either pull his punches or suffer 
fools gladly and doesn't care who knows it..

Please understand I am NOT calling anyone a fool - at least at this time.  So, 
everyone calm down.  I want to focus this important issue before it goes 
completely off the rails with Jose's pawky - look it up in the dictionary - 
questions and Selma's equally pawky answers, at least, so far.

a) Sounds like Selmabai did not read the totality of what Cecil wrote, hence 
the snide tap dance..

b) What difference does it make to his moderation of Goanet posts whether Fred 
is a fine man, or not?  As a Goanet member who has to deal with inexplicably 
rejected posts from time to time, I would prefer a flawed man or woman who is 
unbiased and empathetic and respectful towards posters over a fine man who is 
biased in favor of a political agenda, and has so little respect for posters 
that he is unable to explain why a post is being rejected and hides behind the 
meaningless term Inappropriate.

c) I know for a fact, based on Fred's own admissions, that Fred is so far out 
on the political left wing that he is teetering on the brink and I am concerned 
that he may fall off the planet:-))

d) Why did Fred ostentatiously resign as a Goanet moderator, then sneak back in 
without any notice, until Herman listed him as a Goanet administrator?

e) If Fred is objective and above board in his moderation of Goanet posts, all 
he needs to do is to sign his name at the bottom like Bosco does, so that we 
know where to aim the brickbats, or, better yet, quit hiding behind the 
demeaning and disrespectful word Inappropriate when rejecting a post, and 
briefly explain why the post is being rejected.  Not only does this show 
respect for posters, without whom Goanet would be a cyber-cipher, but it gives 
the poster an opportunity to reconsider their post

It also requires the moderator to be less subjective and biased, which is why 
some moderators may not like to comply with my oft-repeated request.

Only Fred can sign his name on his rejection notices.  Only Fred can explain 
precisely why he is rejecting a post in a way the poster can understand.  If he 
refuses to either do these things or tell us why he will not, then we will know 
for sure where Fred really stands.

Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 23:54:12 +0100
From: Eddie Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
The discussion about GoaNet moderation has come as no surprise but the acrimony 
it has generated causes me concern.

Mario asks:

Eddie,

Are you aware that what Cornel and I and some others have asked for is,

a) that Goanet administration interpret what the topics will be more broadly to 
be Goan-centris as opposed to Goa-centric, because so many members do not live 
in Goa and may have some other interests from time to time.  I believe the 
administrators do this fairly well.  My popular seminars that correct 
misinformation and explain in simple terms how the US system of government 
works is a great example:-))

b) that the moderators explain in brief why they are rejecting a post, instead 
of insulting us with the term Inappropriate.  A simple explanation not only 
shows respect for us as posters, but gives us a chance to re-consider

[Goanet] The long forgotten one

2008-09-28 Thread De Melo-Q8

Dear Readers (especially Goans),
 
Please tell me who the attached figure could be.  The long forgotten one or 
rather 'guess who?'
 
Ty.
 
Joao.

[Goanet] KONKAN CURRY: Tusk Force and White Elephants