date:20090227


Hello!

 
For text and pictures on mining threatened Havalem waterfall in Goa's Bicholim 
taluka, please click the link below:
 
http://mandgoa.blogspot.com/2009/02/mining-threatens-harvalem-waterfall.html
 
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[Goanet] I am, You are, We are all Indians!

2009-02-27 Thread SHRIKANT BARVE

Nascy Caldeira
We are Hindu, we are Buddhists, we are Christian, we are Muslims, we are 
Atheists, we are Agnostics, or plain foolish? But we are INDIAN.

Comment
Why you feel that Single 'Hindu' word dont include all of that?

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[Goanet] GOAMAP Margao public meeting pictures


Hello!

GOAMAP Margao public meeting on mining pictures are available at the links 
below:-
 
http://mandgoa.blogspot.com/2009/02/goamap-margao-public-meeting-pictures.html
 
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[Goanet] Daily Grook #334

2009-02-27 Thread Francis Rodrigues



DAILY GROOK #334


PLUMP GRUMP

by Francis Rodrigues


obesity today
is poor taste,
folks will say
what a waist!


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[Goanet] Singing the Ladainha

2009-02-27 Thread Vivian A. DSouza

Great narrative by Tony Fernandes on the Laidanha.  In my village at least, the 
description in this day and age, fits to a T.  I never miss a Laidanha, and 
join the singing with gusto, and look forward to the boiled Chonne or chick 
peas, and a quick peg of Uraak.  I celebrated the Laidanha for the safe 
arrival and the safe trip back, of my daughter and her
family a few years ago. My American son in law was so impressed and taken in by 
the 
piety of the people.  This is one tradition that continues in my village in  
Goa, at various locations including the Kollemche Khuris where one has to 
trudge through the jungle to get to a lone cross, at the Bharazannache Konnir 
Khuris on the Socorro Plateau, and at the Bhurgheanche Khuris.  Viva Goa and 
its traditions.

[Goanet] Goan picnic songs? Goan?!!!

2009-02-27 Thread Cecil Pinto

My friend Eddie Verdes forwarded me a mail he had received. With his
permission I am posting the request here with the name and address of
the (female) sender edited out.



-
Subject: goan picnic songs

Hi Eddie,
This is Xxoxoxox from Bombay.  Was just browsing the webstie and got
yr email address.  Do you have the lyrics of the goan picinic songs
like:

Amaku malum, tumku malum, kisku malum hai - Bambai Meri Hai - Bimbo,
Bimbo whatcha gonna do-e-o - Daisy Daisy - Down by the Riverside -
Evening in Gay Maharastra - Guantanamera - Hello Dolly - In the Army -
Irani Serenade - John Brown's baby - Malaiaka - My Bonnie lies over
the ocean - O my darling Clementine - Oh You Can't go to Heaven -
Pontius Pilate King of the Jews - Ramona - Shame and Scandal in the
Family - Sleepy Joe - There's a Hole in the Bucket - Una Paloma Blanca
- Under the Mango Tree

If yes, pls email it to me.

Tks

---




I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Either Eddie is pulling my leg
or this woman is set up by someone to bait us all. How come there's
not a single Konkani song in this bunch. How come there's nothing
remotely Goan about the list either? This looks like a collection of
songs East Indians or Anglo Indians would sing at a picnic. We do sing
English songs at Goan picnics but they are of a different variety.

In fact it makes as much sense as having the African Anthem 'Malaika'
included in a compilation book of Konkani songs. I am not a purist in
these matters but let's draw a distinction betwen what is Goan and
what is specific to other states/countries. If a miniscule section of
Goan migrant population has absorbed the culture of a different
state/country into their own let's have specific labelling. Eg: Shirly
Village Bandra Goan Picnic Songs or East Africa Goan Party Songs, but
please don't call them Goan songs or Konkani songs.

More about Goan Picnic Songs archived at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/goa...@goanet.org/msg04094.html
http://www.mail-archive.com/goa...@goanet.org/msg25770.html

Cheers!

Cecil

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Re: [Goanet] An Amazing Re-incarnation story

2009-02-27 Thread Santosh Helekar


Selma,

Ian Stevenson at University of Virginia devoted his life to studying such 
cases, and came up empty handed as far as proving the authenticity of the 
claims is concerned. His student Satwant Pasricha continues to investigate 
these anecdotes at the National Institute of Mental Health and Neurosciences in 
Bangalore, where I worked for some time. From what I remember, almost all of 
their cases can be explained by mundane factors, such as stories told by 
visitors and playmates. It is virtually impossible to rule out such 
contamination in general.

Cheers,

Santosh


--- On Thu, 2/26/09, Carvalho elisabeth_...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 It features a British boy who is convinced he had a
 previous life on an island called Barra. I've pasted a
 link for those who want to read up on this boy.
 
 http://www.mymultiplesclerosis.co.uk/misc/reincarnation.html
 
 What makes the story amazing is that so many of the details
 he remembered were verified by a trip to the island of
 Barra.
 
 I wonder, and maybe Santosh specifically could shed some
 light here, because I more often than not tend to be
 skeptical about these things, has there ever been a
 scientific explanation put forward for past life
 recollections that add up.
 
 Best,
 selma

[Goanet] 'PODER' - The baker

2009-02-27 Thread Domnic Fernandes






‘PODER’ – The baker

 

The word ‘poder’ is derived from
Portuguese word ‘padeiro’.  A shop selling
baker’s products is known as ‘paderia’ (bakery).

 

There were no alarm clocks during
our childhood - we woke up when the dawn broke at cuckoo’s persistent whistled 
‘kwer-kwah’ call or
at crows’ cawing; if we continued to sleep, we were awakened by the sound of 
“poderacho
danddo” (around 5-foot high, thick piece of bamboo) fixed with flat metal rings
at nodes, which produced chiming sound when hit on the ground. 

 

Every morning, the “poder” (he was also known as “mest”) dutifully carried
a “panttem” (large bamboo-woven basket) on his head and a poderacho danddo in
his right hand, and visited each house/family barefoot.  He also made a second 
round in the afternoon.   

 

He sold the crispy, aromatic, traditional leavened, “khornan bazlolo”
(oven-baked) Goan “pão” (bread), “katreancho pão” (bread with four corners) –
[do you remember “katreanche vistid” (girls’ dresses with a side/back cut?], 
kunddeachi
poyi (bran bread) and children’s most favorite “kankonn” (the bangle).  At 
home, he sold “bottamchi biskut/bottam”
(finger biscuits/fingers), “sadi fati” (plain toast), “godd fati” (sweet
toast), etc.  He stored biscuits and toasts
in large “dobe” (tins) which had covers.   

 

When the poder arrived with morning supplies, we would take delivery, hold
bread in one hand and place kanknnam (bangles) in our arms and walk back in the
house.  The best way to enjoy a crispy
kankonn was to dip it in black tea and savor it.  Wow! 
The very mention of that toddy smelling pão and kankonn makes me feel
hungry!  

 

They also made ‘panke’ (pancakes) the kind of which are not made now.

 

For most people, the humble, smiling poder was the first person to exchange
morning greetings “Dev boro dis dinv” (Good morning); he would thus make
everyone’s day!  Just out of context,
there were some people in each ward whom their neighbors and even relatives
avoided, as a look on their face would ruin the day! 

 

The poder never failed to arrive – he always made door-to-door deliveries
be it during cold winter mornings, torrential rains, scorching heat or cyclonic
winds.  His forte:  He was always ready to give on credit. 

 

He maintained a small book on which he recorded customer’s name and the
amount due from him/her.  We, too, kept a
record of the days missed on the ‘Almanak’ calendar and deducted the amount at
the end of the month. 

 

The poder wore a cream color “kabai” (cloak), which reached up to his knees.  
It looked like the white part of an opmus  It was made from flour bag cloth, 
which was
of very good quality; he wore a kashtti underneath.

 

By the mid of the last century, he began to wear a khaki short pant over his
kashtti.  He continued to wear the kabai
but its size diminished, which was gradually replaced by loose top garment.

 

At home, he roamed freely with only a kashtti.  He placed the singlet (vest) 
over his
shoulder and put it on when people visited him/his family.  

 

He always wore loose clothes.  Maybe
that’s why whenever boys/men wore loose clothes, people remarked:  “Poder koso 
dista” (Looks like a poder)! 

 

In the winter, he wrapped a muffler around his head and protected his ears and
nose from cold breeze.  During raining
season, he wore a half “kapot” (raincoat) with head cover and plastic shorts.  
He always carried the danddo – that was his
trademark!

 

Once he supplied the required pão to a family, he closed the top of panttem
with a plastic cloth.  It was held tight
around the basket with the help of an old bicycle tube.  

 

He mostly placed his panttem on a goddgo (compound wall made of rubbles) and
made use of his danddo to balance the basket. 
He sometimes asked the person buying bread to help him place the basket load
back on his head.  

 

Once through a customer, he proceeded to the next house/family by hitting
the danddo continually on the ground, as if walking with a hand stick, which
was an alarm to the next door neighbor that he was on his way to his house!

 

The Fifties and the early part of the Sixties were the era of the bicycle.  The 
poder was tired of walking; so, he
grabbed the opportunity and bought a bicycle for himself.  

 

He fixed a large carrier on the hind of the bicycle and fixed the panttem to
it.  He was fortunate then because he
could still reach each house on his bicycle through “paimvatt ani bidi”
(foothpath and path with goddgo on either side), as most compound walls
separating properties came into existence from the Seventies onwards.

 

To my knowledge, there were three bakeries in Anjuna in the Fifties – one
in Kumbarvaddo (now known as St. Sebastian ward) and two in Mazalvaddo.  

 

The bakery in Kumbarvaddo was located on the right side on way to Mapusa, two
houses before the turn to proceed to Doxixira choddav (up-slope); it continues
to be in the same place.  It was run by one
Antonio Mest.  

 

Manuel Antão,

Re: [Goanet] Slum dog millionaire

2009-02-27 Thread Nascy Caldeira

Hi Bosco,
 
I have seen 'Slumdog Movie, just once here in Aussie land; but the fact is that 
I have been seeing 'IT' the Slum Life IN REALITY for so many years, in Mumbai 
and the rest of India too! I had a  friend in Mahim East which is the doorstep 
to Draravi. And what did I not see there, worse than what we see in the Movie. 
It's pathetic.
 
So U see, I am not hearing Voices, nor am I hallucinating; I had to answer that 
way when Samir asked me to Walk the Talk. That's all. I had to let out pent up 
steam, else the slums' smells might have choked me.
I do not want to die; I have a mission to Walk the Talk in Goa.

Nascy Caldeira.
 
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From: Bosco D'Mello bos...@canada.com
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Slum dog millionaire
To: Goanet goa...@goanet.org
Received: Friday, 27 February, 2009, 1:59 PM


 We Demand Total Cultural Freedom!
 'The Freedom' We Must Have!

 Nascy Caldeira
 Down Under

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Nasci,

Perhaps you saw Slumdog Millionaire far too many times, eh?? And more than your 
stomach is churning.kitem re?? Are you still hearing voices in your head??

When you sign your name could you also include the local time. For e.g. Down 
Under - 
10am or Down Under - 6:45pm

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[Goanet] Bicholim's Bordem, Mulgao perishes under Dempo mines



Bicholim's Bordem, Mulgao perishes under Dempo mines. Plese click the links 
below for text and pictures:
 
http://mandgoa.blogspot.com/2009/02/bicholims-bordem-perishes-under-dempo.html
 
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[Goanet] Dried Sirgao water bodies, People force stoppage of Chowgule mine


Hello!

For text and pictures on Sirgao water bodies threatened with mining click the 
link blow:
 
http://mandgoa.blogspot.com/2009/02/dried-sirgao-water-bodies-people-force.html
 
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[Goanet] A house in mining dust in Pilgao


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To see the picture with text commentary please click the links below:-
 
http://mandgoa.blogspot.com/2009/02/house-in-mining-dust-in-pilgao.html
 
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[Goanet] VOA News - ASEAN Politicians Say Summit Will Test Burma Human Rights Policy

2009-02-27 Thread Ruby Goes


Goanetters,
What's the plight of the Goan Burmese population I wonder. The junta is
disgusting!
http://www.voanews.com/english/2009-02-26-voa38.cfm

rubygoes

[Goanet] Come to Goa, visit its mining villages!


Hello!
 
Come to Goa, visit its mining villages! For text and pictures visit the links 
below:
 
http://mandgoa.blogspot.com/2009/02/barges-that-make.html
 
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[Goanet] Can Obama-isation save the US or the world ?

2009-02-27 Thread ralph rau




The world's ecosystems are in a state
of terminal decline. We need leaders who will tell it like it is and
urge people to Reduce, Re-use  Recycle.

Humankind's
survival is at question here. Should near term growth be damned ?

The
choices are all unpalatable.

A-Continue the US model to push
consumption and growth using conventional energy and chemical technology and we 
destroy the planet by
CO2 warming and toxic rivers and oceans.

OR

B-Rapidly attack the source of climate
change-CO2 emissions using all possible resources, simultaneously
reduce the damage to the world's ecosystems by eliminating polluting
industry, while all the time ensuring that the basic necessity FOOD
is evenly distributed to prevent rioting and the collapse of civil
society. Re-organising global industry and commerce with near term job loss and 
re-training is inevitable. The old order must change and yield place to the new.

Maybe we can go down path B if all the best minds
from MIT quit the banking system which they ruined
by financial engineering and focus their high IQ on re-engineering human 
society ?

[Goanet] Anger grows in India over US visa rules

Throughout the US presidential campaign I kept wondering why so many Indians
were getting so irrationally excited over a possible US president who is
indebted to the big labor unions which means protectionist policies to reward
them which means bad news for countries like India that supply the US with
goods and services. His opponent supported free trade which benefits countries
like India.

In the meantime, many ignorant Indians kept demeaning President Bush, the most
pro-Indian US president in recent history, who faced down the rest of the world
to get India a unique nuclear agreement and has provided billions of aid to
fight HIV/AIDS, TB and malaria in poor countries.

Now we see the chickens coming home to roost:

http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/content/feb2009/gb20090224_563564.htm?campaign_id=rss_daily

Excerpt:

Each year, the American government hands out 65,000 H-1B visas, and Indian
engineers receive many of them. However, as part of President Obama's economic
stimulus package, Congress passed provisions to bar any U.S. company that
receives bailout dollars from directly hiring workers on these H-1B visas.

In India, there has been a swift outcry. This is just irrational
protectionism, says Montek Singh Ahluwalia, deputy chairman of India's
Planning Commission. It makes no economic sense at all.
[end of excerpts]

Mario comments:

Of course it makes no sense, Mr. Ahluwalia, just as most of Mr. Obama's
economic stimulus plan makes no sense. Besides, India and free trade that
benefits most Americans by keeping inflation low, don't stand a chance against
his labor union supporters, who are part of his vote bank politics.

[Goanet] Talking Photos: Goa Pics

2009-02-27 Thread JoeGoaUk


Talking Photos:  Goa Pics

One + two
Welcome to the world of Casinos
But this little boy  was in the world of his own
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk17/3313837739/sizes/l/


At Azad Maidan
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk17/3314661286/

And these are not travelling poder (Vasco)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk17/3314660910/sizes/l/

Bunkers to protect not just Goa beaches etc
But to Protect Goa Police too
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk17/3313836701/sizes/l/

These two kids are not playing with stones or marbles
But with badam (Amonds) 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk17/3294977710/sizes/l/


After all, kids are kids
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk17/3294975796/sizes/l/

From our backyard
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk17/3285734367/sizes/l/

Panjim Postman’s Post Bag, Post Cycle
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk17/3270179272/


of trees and birds homes
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk17/3260100238/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk17/3260099968/

other side of the Mandovi River
1550 fort
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk17/3314659660/sizes/l/
closer 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk17/3314659936/sizes/l/
Closest 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk17/3313836411/sizes/l/

more on the fort
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[Goanet] Condolence Meeting held for Fr. Mathew Almeida

2009-02-27 Thread Goa World







Condolence Meeting Held for Fr. Mathew Almeida

The Presidents of the Goa Konkani Akademi, Tiatr Academy of Goa and the Dalgado 
Konkani Akademi shared the dais with the two Jesuits who were closely 
asssociated with Dr. Matthew Almeida SJ, viz the  Director of of TSKK, Dr. 
Pratap Naik SJ and Founder member of TSKK, Fr. Vasco do Rego SJ, to condole the 
passing away of a great son of Konkani Mai in the person of Dr. Mathew Ameida 
SJ. Secretary of DKA, Jose Slavador Fernandes compered and proposed the vote of 
thanks.Dalgado Konknni Akademi *(DKA)* had organised the  
condolence at Institute Menezes Braganza l (Art Gallery Hall), Panjim
 
 The others who spoke on the occasion included the Publisher of JIVIT, Michael 
Gracias, columnist and St. Britto's alumni association Secretary, Miguel 
Braganza and GKA Executive member Vincy Quadros. Present to show their 
solidarity were people who were associated with Fr. Mathew Almeida SJ including 
Fr. Agnelo Mascarenhas SJ, Secretary of the St. Britto's Golden Jubilee 
Committee, Joseph Mascarenhas, Film and tiatr actor Cyriac Dias, Internet 
journalist Gaspar Almeida, former Editor of Goencho Ulo and Net journalist Joel 
D'Souza, Headmistress and Tiatr personality, Irene Cardoz, long time associate 
of Fr. Mathew, Constantino D'Souza.
 
Mr. Premanand Lotlikar recalled Dr. Mathew Almeida's  yeoman service to the 
cause of Konkani and said that his books Description of Konkani and Konkani 
course in Roman Script were his major contribution to those who wanted to know 
Konkani language.
 
Fr. Vasco do Rego SJ made a fervent plea for working unitedly for the 
development of Konkani.
 
Tiatr Academy of Goa President and Former Speaker of Goa Legislative Assembly 
stated that the vacuum and void created by the death of Fr. Mathew would be 
difficult to fill. He recalled with pride that though Fr. Mathew ALmeida had a 
Ph. D in Linguistics from a foreign university, he always spoke in Konkani when 
speaking to anyone who understood Konkani. He called on Goans to proudly speak 
in Konkani as a tribute to Fr. Mathew.
 
Mr. N. Shivdas, the President of the Goa Konkani Akademi said that he rushed to 
TSKK as soon as he heard of Fr. Mathew's passing away. As in life, he was 
surrounded by a few persons while he was in his coffin at TSKK. Fr.. Mathew was 
reclusive in life and loved his solitude even at functions
 
Fr. Pratap Naik SJ said that Fr. Mathew was soft spoken buut had strong views. 
these views are reflected best in the Diaries he kept each year since 1966. He 
read a few of these entries: 
Fr. Matthew’s personal diary entries from 16th July 1966 to 17 August 2008 are 
found in TSKK.  Pratap Naik, sj read out the following   Texts from Fr. Matthew 
Almeida’s Diaries.

 
5.2.87 Thursday: 
Yesterday the big news was that the most controversial bill was passed last 
night. Konkani is official language of Goa and Marathi and Gujarati are also 
given equal status for all practical purposes. Now let us see what they are 
going to do with it. Naturally both KPA and the Maharashtrawadis are not quite 
happy with it.
 
3rd Sept.88 Sat:
…Later in the evening Avadhut Pai of Sunaparant came to enquire about the 
circulation. He stayed on to talk about Konkani topics. The impression created 
by some of these Nagari writers is that Konkani literature begins with Shenoi 
Gõybab. I told him that Dalgado is the first to write in Nagari. These 
blighters talk as if Christians and missionaries don’t count. The same chaps 
made use of Christians in the first twenty five years to serve their purpose, 
now they have no use for them. Finally our chaps are waking to reality.
 
24 June ’05 Fri:
Pratap has left by evening train to Bombay. He expects to conduct even 
workshops on roman script (RS) for Konkani. Up to now it looks as if RS is the 
only solution. Both the Kannada and Devanagari scrs (scripts) are losing 
ground. Let us see. This has been my contention. Where is the readership for 
Devanagari? Kannada has readership but it may not last more than a decade or 
two.
 
29 Sept ’07 Sat:
At 10.00 there was a small book release function for my Romi Lipient Konknni 
Kors.  Tomazinho presided and recommended the book to Konknni writers and 
lovers. Quite a good response. This is the first book that sold so many copies 
on the first day of release among our publications.
 
Fr. Matthew Almeida, S.J. a veteran Konknni Researcher,
 writer and co-founder of Thomas Stephens Konknni Kendr in 1983 died on
 18 February 2009, in JMJ Hospital at Alto Porvorim, Goa after a brief
 illness.

[Goanet] Are Muslims In India Appeased?

One oft repeated propaganda of the sangh parivar is that muslims have been
continuously appeased in India. Here is an article which critically looks at
the reality. Read on.

http://www.countercurrents.org/matheikal230209.htm

Re: [Goanet] Slum dog millionaire

2009-02-27 Thread Tim de Mello



 --- On Thu, 26/2/09, Nascy Caldeira nascy...@yahoo.com.au wrote:
 
 
 Hi Samir, (and others)
  
 What do U mean, 'it doesn't cost anything'??? 
  
  
 I have spent tens of thousands of dollars worth, coming to India and Mumbai 
 and Goa more so, (also North Indian tourist Triangle) from 2004 and up until 
 and including 2008!
  

Nascy:

I think you are missing Samir's point.

Tim

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[Goanet] Catholic Church determined to oppose law reforms

2009-02-27 Thread Dr. U. G. Barad

Author: PNS
Publication: The Pioneer
Date: February 23, 2009
URL: 
http://www.dailypioneer.com/158243/Catholic-Church-determined-to-oppose-law-
reforms.html

Close on the heels of the objections raised by certain Muslim sects to 
some of the proposals of the Law Reforms Commission headed by retired 
Justice VR Krishna Iyer, the Catholic Church of the State has protested 
to some other suggestions of it indirectly warning the Left that any 
move to implement these proposals would have serious consequences as far 
as the coming Lok Sabha election is concerned.

If the Muslims' objections were to proposals like better controls on 
polygamy, the Church is opposing the suggestions to put controls on 
couples' right to beget children, permit mercy killing (euthanasia) and 
to constitute trusts for managing church funds. The commission had 
submitted its proposals to the Law Ministry last month.

Mar Varkey Cardinal Vithayathil, Major Archbishop of Syro-Malabar 
Church, stated categorically that the commission's proposals were not 
acceptable to them.

Inaugurating a seminar on the subject, Cardinal Vithayathil said that 
constitution of legislations harming the public good and freedom of 
society and individual was not appropriate as far as democracy was 
concerned.

Reminding the Government that 99 per cent of Indians were believers, the 
Cardinal said any law, whether it be of the Government or the Church 
itself, should not be against the natural law of God, public good and 
common morality.

He said the Catholic Church was opposing euthanasia, suicide and 
feticide because it considers life as invaluable. There was no 
justification for the proposal for constitution of new legislation for 
forming trusts when there were clear provisions in the Canon Law with 
regard to the management of the church's property and wealth.

Just like any other organization, the Church also is submitting all the 
details of income and expenditure to the Government. In that situation, 
we can't understand the meaning of the Government's move to constitute 
trusts for the church, Cardinal Vithayathil said.

One of these proposals is not to permit more children than two per 
couple. The report clearly said that Governmental concessions need not 
be given to children born after the first two kids of the same couples. 
More than that there a fine should be levied from the couples for every 
child they begot after two children.

This recommendation had come at a time when the Catholic Church in the 
State was searching for ways to encourage couples in the community to 
beget as many children as they could in a bid to prop up the falling 
Christian population growth. The church had even floated a new movement, 
Pro-Life, to encourage couples to beget as many children as possible in 
the context of the falling population growth rate among the believers.

Bishop Mar Kallarangatt, who spoke in the seminar, said certain 
programmes the LDF Government was initiating in the garb of people's 
welfare were in fact shocking. He said the law committee's reforms 
submitted to the Government were immoral, violence-prone, harming 
individual freedom and promoting rejection of values.

Infuriating some Muslim sects and religious scholars, the law commission 
had suggested that there was no need to permit polygamy.

However, in special cases like lack of children in the relationship and 
non-curable disease of the wife, permitting another marriage for the 
husband could be considered. But for this, the husband must get the 
consent of the wife, the report said.

Muslim leaders like Kanthapuram AP Aboobacker Musliar of the Sunni sect 
had reacted sharply to the proposals saying they would not allow their 
implementation as they were against the principles of Qur'an. Observers 
are of the feeling that the Government is unlikely to implement any of 
these proposals lest it would prove harmful to the LDF in the coming 
election.

[Goanet] How regulation caused the financial crisis / looking forward

2009-02-27 Thread Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या

Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 05:38:29 -0800 (PST)
From: Gilbert Lawrence gilbert2...@yahoo.com

To Mervyn:
I like your comment, The cause ... is quite simple: Financial regulations that 
were in place were either removed or not adhered to. This after just reading 
and reading that it was too much regulations that caused the debacle, put 
forward by a Rush Limbaugh talk-alike called Thomas Sowell.

Mario responds:

Here we see Gilbert, a physician, continue his barrage of jejune personal 
insults against Prof. Tom Sowell, an eminent economist and expert in financial 
markets, who is a Fellow at the prestigious Hoover Institute at Stanford 
University.  See, http://www.hoover.org/bios/sowell.html

I have already shown in 
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-February/174166.html, 
how Gilbert misrepresented the term dittoheads.  The assertion that Prof. 
Sowell, a respected academic, talks like Mr. Limbaugh, a media commentator and 
talk show host, is equally specious and backwards.  It is Mr. Limbaugh who 
frequently cites the research based opinions of Prof. Sowell.

At Gilbert's request in 
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-February/174177.html, 
and to further his education, I have shown below some additional sources of 
information from credible sources.  

Gilbert apparently has no idea that there are other financial industry experts 
who agree with Prof. Sowell's analysis of how the Community Reinvestment Act 
[CRA], an ultra-liberal piece of legislation passed in the Carter 
administration, which had good intentions of encouraging home-ownership by low 
income people, was escalated under the Clinton administration with overt and 
covert threats by the Justice Department, HUD, Democrat party politicians and 
community action groups against banks if they were slow to comply with its 
provisions.

Most political liberals and Democrats, and a few Republicans, defended and 
protected the growing house of cards because it helped low income people, which 
is what socialism does until it implodes from its fundamental economic flaws.

Shown below is an editorial from the respected Investors Business Daily:

http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=312766781716725

Excerpts:

The Community Reinvestment Act is to blame for the financial crisis, but it so 
powerfully serves Democrats' interests that they'll do anything to protect it — 
including revising history.

The CRA coerces banks into making loans based on political correctness, and 
little else, to people who can't afford them. Enforced like never before by the 
Clinton administration, the regulation destroyed credit standards across the 
mortgage industry, created the subprime market, and caused the housing bubble 
that has now burst and left us with the worst housing and banking crises since 
the Great Depression.
[end of excerpt]

Additional sources are shown below:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Reinvestment_Act

http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:90IT4MK9474J:www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/regv17n4/vmck4-94.pdf+Justice+Department+under+Clinton+enforces+Community+Reinvestment+Acthl=enct=clnkcd=2gl=usclient=firefox-a

http://www.heritage.org/research/economy/hl516.cfm

http://iusbvision.wordpress.com/2008/09/30/obama-sued-citibank-under-cra-to-force-it-to-make-bad-loans/

Re: [Goanet] Singing the Ladainha.

Three R's? Someone said (can't recall who) that in colonial Goa there
were 4 R's. The fourth being the rebec. FN

 In my opinion we should pay tribute to  Mestri of the parochial school who
 trained villagers in
 hymn singing but sadly  training in 3Rs (Reading, Writing and Arithmetic )
 was given a
 low priority.
 Antonio

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[Goanet] An Amazing Re-incarnation story - Carvalho

2009-02-27 Thread edward desilva

 It features a British boy who is convinced he had a previous life on an island 
called Barra. I've pasted a link for those who want to read up on this boy. 
selma 

Selma,Ian Stevenson at University of Virginia devoted his life to studying such 
cases, and came up empty handed as far as proving the authenticity of the 
claims is concerned. His student Satwant Pasricha continues to investigate 
these anecdotes at the National Institute of Mental Health and Neurosciences in 
Bangalore, where I worked for some time. From what I remember, almost all of 
their cases can be explained by mundane factors, such as stories told by 
visitors and playmates. It is virtually impossible to rule out such 
contamination in general.Cheers,Santosh.

Hi Selma,
Let me put you out of your misery.
The Barra boy story is true and Reincarnation is also true, I found no holes in 
it.
As the program said, as we grow up we lose our child memory, secondly they took 
too long to follow up, they had no money, most of all - WHY!

It so happens that as children grow up we loose some of the natures survival 
instincts/gifts that we acquire from nature.
For example psychology (which was discovered long ago by the Greeks but only 
applied as a science till modern times), children are born with it.
As we grow up we lose 'that special gift', dogs and children also have 'that 
special kind of gift', which they cannot convey because they cannot speak.
Be as it may!

19 years ago (long before copy and paste) they showed on TV, made by an 
European Channel, Sweden/Denmark not sure, and repeated several times on Sky 
that year.

An Indian boy born to a poor, I mean very poor slum dwelling woman in an UP 
village.
That woman said he always said to me, 'you are NOT my mum, why do you have only 
one saree, my mum had 100s because I bought them for her, had a car, and a shop.
She said to him 'I am your mum' etc etc - This whole story goes on and on for 
one hour. - To cut it short.
He told her where the shop is, the location of the shop, the tree in front of 
the shop, the safe inside the shop where he kept his money etc etc. 
He told that his wife helped him in the shop, he has two sons, he told them 
their names too.
He told them how the shop counter was positioned (which his wife then changed 
so as not to remind her of her dead husband).
When the boy was taken to that place which was totally in a different area to 
where he was born,that boy or any one would not have known because it was/is 
insignificant.
The tree, the safe, the counter, the positioning of the radios and the TVs etc 
was confirmed by his wife.
The boy told his wife on cmaera, 'you have changed it all'.
The wife when told, 'I am your husband', she told him on camera, how can I 
call you my husband when you are younger than my sons.
When he told her what he called, she burst into tears and did not want to be in 
front of the camera any more.
The program than moves on to how he died, again, no where near where he was 
born again, and no way any one would have told the boy.
How did he die? he was shot.
When was he shot? on a rainy night in front of his house when in his CAR, 
returning home.
Where was he shot? On the top of the head.
All confirmed by the boy his wife and the villagers. Because it was a heavy 
rainy day there was too much thunder and lightening etc
Why? Money! Black money or whatever.
He says he will not tell where he has hidden it, because it is his.
Now! WHEN THEY SHAVED HIS HEAD ON CAMERA - THERE WAS A BIG SCAR WHERE HE SAID 
HE WAS SHOT.
His biological mother said he was born like that, the doctors said with that 
sort of wound on the head, that place and as a child, he should be dead.
All this on European TV. (professors are 'deliberately' looking in the wrong 
place because they are making a 'living' out of it, longer the search longer 
the pay packet).
ED.

[Goanet] Communal tension in Rourkela

Vinay Natekar:
It is not always Hindus who attack Christians in Orrisa. It is vice versa
also.

Response:
1. It needs to be verified whether the news report contains all factual
information and is not an inspired planted story emanating from the sangh
parivar.
2. Even if true, to conclude that one swallow makes a summer is highly
erroneous.

Regards,

Marshall

[Goanet] Goa news for February 28, 2009

2009-02-27 Thread Goanet News Service

Goa News from Google News and Goanet.org
Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories.

*** I-League Preview: Sporting Clube De Goa  Chirag United -
Goal.com
eague, Matchday 17 Who: Sporting Clube De Goa (1st, 34 points)
vs. Chirag United (7th, 19 points) Where: Pandit Jawaharlal
Nehru Stadium, Goa When: February 27 #152;09 League leaders
Sporting Clube De Goa face Chirag United at home in a 17th round
...
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/1-0fd=Rurl=http://www.goal.com/en-india/news/563/match-preview/2009/02/27/1129445/i-league-preview-sporting-clube-de-goa-chirag-unitedcid=1308683819ei=i4WoSZXbBoWEkQTule3mAwusg=AFQjCNHeTL7FtEG7kbzexa2Dy2W8UFBmlg

*** Manganese plenty in ocean off Goa - SINDH TODAY

http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/7-0fd=Rurl=http://www.sindhtoday.net/south-asia/68943.htmcid=1309018700ei=i4WoSZXbBoWEkQTule3mAwusg=AFQjCNHB-amxray4_P4WVJSE_JIpgLt-lQ

*** Centre not to set up tribunal on Goa-Karnataka
water-sharing - Indopia
haring discord between Goa and Karnataka in view of the
opposition by Karnataka. Union Water Resources Minister
Saifuddin Soz said today that the matter was ...
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/6-0fd=Rurl=http://www.indopia.in/India-usa-uk-news/latest-news/512735/National/1/20/1cid=1309070855ei=i4WoSZXbBoWEkQTule3mAwusg=AFQjCNFYbeqeNhf2iHCqbWnZ0cHAGIMvsg

*** HC sets aside Sesa Goa merger - Times of India

http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/5-0fd=Rurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Goa/HC_sets_aside_Sesa_Goa_merger/articleshow/4197968.cmscid=1308938144ei=i4WoSZXbBoWEkQTule3mAwusg=AFQjCNG5ZKQavlG7OXkExgqS4z2KzRis1A

*** India\'s first digital archives of feature films set up in
Goa - Hindu

http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/0-0fd=Rurl=http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/009200902271440.htmcid=1308947645ei=i4WoSZXbBoWEkQTule3mAwusg=AFQjCNHXGvP9SrdJBjhCgjBrXVUzH9RxDw

*** RECESSION? WHAT RECESSION? - Bangkok Post
ngkok Post, ThailandTourism in Goa is still booming, and Thai
entrepreneurs are missing out on an opportunity to export their
superior offerings and command premium prices. If you think
there is recession everywhere in the world, think again, as
certain pockets of the ...
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/9-0fd=Rurl=http://www.bangkokpost.com/business/economics/12493/recession-what-recessioncid=0ei=i4WoSZXbBoWEkQTule3mAwusg=AFQjCNHYjW8yBXGm6tHMD8vy9WSPDuX3vA

*** You gotta Goa for it - The Sun
p bar and a central waterfall, this truly was heaven. The rooms
were stunning, with large balconies overlooking the immaculate
gardens. A lovely three-star resort set around a large lagoon.
...
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/4-0fd=Rurl=http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/travel/article2281101.ececid=0ei=i4WoSZXbBoWEkQTule3mAwusg=AFQjCNE6OEDyxl5FoWU12XEFiiq-PDJx3A

*** GOA News: Duplo Finishing Systems - Graphic Arts Online
(press release)
aphic Arts Online (press release), IL(Santa Ana, CA: February
26th, 2009) At Graphics of the Americas 2009, Duplo USA
Corporation is showcasing its latest finishing solutions
including new modular configurations which add further
capabilities to its already versatile products. ...
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/8-0fd=Rurl=http://www.graphicartsonline.com/article/CA6640516.html?industryid=47497cid=0ei=i4WoSZXbBoWEkQTule3mAwusg=AFQjCNHVOutNgvYCyw0M8HAfKbRXIhif9g

*** Goa plans Rs 50 crore marketing blitz - Times of India
mes of India, IndiaPANAJI: Goas hotels may not be in a position
to lower prices as demanded by the Union finance minister, but
the tourism industry plans an aggressive marketing campaign with
a budget of Rs 50 crore. The budget, says a leading marketing
consultant to ...
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/3-0fd=Rurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Goa/Goa_plans_Rs_50_crore_marketing_blitz/articleshow/4198300.cmscid=1308997127ei=i4WoSZXbBoWEkQTule3mAwusg=AFQjCNEPDcc3wJgREkb-rciwJZJj80QdvQ

*** Dow India Participates in PPS-25 in Goa - WebWire (press
release)
Dow Chemical International Pvt. Ltd. (Dow India) is proud to be
one of the primary sponsors and an active participant at PPS-25,
the 25th annual meeting of the Polymer Processing Society (PPS)
in Goa from March 1  5, 2009. ...
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/2-0fd=Rurl=http://www.webwire.com/ViewPressRel.asp?aId=88536cid=0ei=i4WoSZXbBoWEkQTule3mAwusg=AFQjCNGiDIU2Az-PJNFgQ0Phy8vML13pgw


Compiled by Goanet News Service
http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php

[Goanet] DNA: Mumbai: Man 'beats' wife to death

2009-02-27 Thread Ruby Goes

Goanetters,
 'Til death do us part.

http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1234895

rubygoes

Re: [Goanet] Jai Ho Rehman

2009-02-27 Thread Venantius Pinto

Dear Goanetters,
I would like to share an email response from Madhav Chari to my post of Jai
Ho Rehman.

Madhav,
Thanks for continuing to engage and point towards meaningful analogies. You
succeeded in writing what we often talk about. My hope has often been that
people will be able to leverage though laterally. So looking at calligraphy
and say swordsmanship, music and management as you do so well in your
seminars. Hope to see you soon.

venantius
+++

VJP, please see my comment on this and add this post to Goanet if you see
fit.

Dear Everyone, and music afficionados of all persuasions,

First and foremost when people talk about actors like Shah Rukh or Rahman,
as it is portrayed in the media, it is never about the quality of the acting
or the music, it simply is a comment on the film or music industry.

The Oscars are about the film industry, and no matter what anyone says,
there are films that do not see the light of the Oscars that have good
quality, and there are films that may happen to win awards that may have
good quality.

When Jagjit Singh goes on public record saying that Rahman does not know
anything about ghazals, he is right. Sometimes though I feel that when this
type of comment enters the public media I see it as a derogatory comment and
it can come from some sort of jealousy: and in the end it is not counter
productive.

One fact you have to remember about film musicians, and I have interacted
extensively with Loy Mendonca: film music in a sense does not require you to
deliver musicianship in real time. That means as a live musician on the
stage you have to deliver: no edits, no cut and paste jobs on the computer,
and if you make a mistake you cannot go back and fix it. This is like live
drama. Performing live takes a lot more effort than doing studio work in
Mumbai no matter what these musicians may tell you. Take away their access
to technology, give them a simple guitar or piano and see if they can
deliver a live performance for 90 minutes without losing the audience: they
will fail. In fact, many musicians have told me that their abilities as live
musicians have dwindled since they entered the studio zone for ad world
jingles and film scoring because they stopped playing live music (except a
few times a year). Playing live is like a muscle: you don't use it you lose
it.

What these film musicians excel at is production for the specific goal of a
film: they can take snippets of some flamenco guitar player and weave it as
a background for some playback singer, do some orchestral backdrop (by the
way I have met Rahman's orchestrator), each done separately and do an nice
edit job and voila, you have a product. The film composer in this case is
someone who is able to manage this job well with different people
contributing to different tasks. He has what we can say is the bigger
vision. Also one interesting thing about Indian film scoring: the songs are
recorded a lot of the time before the movie even begins shooting, so film
composers do not even need (hypothetically) a detailed plot of the movie.
They could in principle get moods from the director, some scenes from the
director, number of songs, some cultural influences (say Rajasthan for
example), and they go for it. The background score is done later when they
watch the film, but when you buy the CD the main things are the catchy songs
which have been composed beforehand.

Rahman's orchestrator will be able to deliver work for the film, but he will
not be able to compose a piece of one hour or 45 minutes that has integrity
and complexity of structure of a modern classical master composer like
Elliott Carter, and he does not even have the intellectual and musical
skills to do that, and NOBODY in India nor Hollywood (including John
Williams) is a composer at that level: but that is not at all necessary to
function in the film world in India. Playback singers do not have to be at
the voice training level of the best carnatic, dhrupad or Hindustani
musicians, they are also not at the level of some of the Sufi musicians I
saw from Rajasthan, and I suspect on a musical level (communicating a deep
truth of music) they are not at the level of the mystical Baul singer from
Bengal. Again deep spiritual truth of music is not what the film needs: it
needs a singer to deliver the particular song in real time, and so long as
it fulfills the needs of the film it is OK, time to move on to the next
project.

In my own experience, the detailed knowledge of many people working in the
film world is pretty low, and they are also unable to extrapolate
intelligently the capability of musicians or in other words the film
composers do not necessarily have the ability to estimate the overall
ability of musicians, but they will be able to make an assessment whether or
not this particular musician can function for them within the context of the
film score. That is expected because they are not musicians who perform live
a lot of the time and have to carry an

Re: [Goanet] Global warming: A cause for concern

Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 23:10:06 -0800 (PST)
From: Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com

The U. S. National Academy of Sciences, one of the world's most prestigious 
scientific organizations has provided the following update on the science 
behind global warming:
http://dels.nas.edu/dels/rpt_briefs/climate_change_2008_final.pdf

It should clarify doubts and answer basic questions regarding this topic.

Mario responds:

Thanks for this link from one respected scientific organization which certainly 
lays out the case for the proposition that global warming is being caused by 
human activity.

Where the doubts arise is when so many reputable and respected scientists 
disagree with the findings of this report and that of the UN's IPCC.

One of the problems seems to be the overheated claims by some proponents that 
there is universal consensus and the matter is settled science, when 
clearly neither claim is accurate.  The IPCC's claims that thousands of 
scientists participated in its report has also been challenged as false by 
scientists who were part of the process.  Such claims raise doubts apart from 
the science which is complex enough.  For example, From 1940 to 1980, when 
human industrial activity, and presumably CO2 levels, were experiencing 
tremendous growth, global temperatures did not rise, and even declined for a 
period of time.

Remember, the controversy is not whether global warming is taking place, but 
whether it is being caused by natural phenomena or human activity, and whether 
reversing or curbing the human activity, specifically CO2 levels, is a) 
necessary, b) economically harmful to poor countries, and c) going to make any 
significant difference, even if it can be done at some reasonable cost.

A concurrent discussion is whether any modest global warming in the future may 
be a net benefit to the world: http://www.newsweek.com/id/35543

The opposing view is illustrated by the following examples from the US Senate 
report I posted earlier.  I have limited these examples in the interests of 
brevity, and only to make the point that the issue is still being furiously 
debated within the scientific community:
http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.BlogsContentRecord_id=2674e64f-802a-23ad-490b-bd9faf4dcdb7Issue_id=

For example [links to quotes are in above report]

* Quote:
This new 231-page U.S. Senate Minority Report -- updated from 2007’s 
groundbreaking report of over 400 scientists who voiced skepticism about the 
so-called global warming “consensus” -- features the skeptical voices of over 
650 prominent international scientists, including many current and former UN 
IPCC scientists, who have now turned against the UN IPCC.

* Quote:
The over 650 dissenting scientists are more than 12 times the number of UN 
scientists (52) who authored the media-hyped IPCC 2007 Summary for 
Policymakers.

* Quote:
Russian scientists “rejected the very idea that carbon dioxide may be 
responsible for global warming”.

* Quote:
An American Physical Society editor conceded that a “considerable presence” of 
scientific skeptics exists.

* Quote:
An International team of scientists countered the UN IPCC, declaring: “Nature, 
Not Human Activity, Rules the Climate”.

* Quote:
... a canvass of more than 51,000 Canadian scientists revealed 68% disagree 
that global warming science is “settled.” 

* Letter to UN Secretary General by a group of 13 scientists including three 
IPCC reviewers and one Nobel Prize winner:
Quote:
The UN Climate Change Panel must be called to account and cease its deceptive 
practices - Policies based on false science must be ended.

We, an independent group of experts in various aspects of science and the 
environment, ask you to redress the lack of scientific integrity of the UN’s 
Climate Change Panel (IPCC) and to stop making reactionary and futile ‘Climate 
Change’ recommendations that hold back the developing world.

As you read this, policies that you endorse are already causing misery and 
starvation for the world's poor.
[end quote]

* 
http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.BlogsContentRecord_id=865DBE39-802A-23AD-4949-EE9098538277
Quote:
Climate Skeptics Reveal ‘Horror Stories’ of Scientific Suppression.

Mario's Conclusion:
The only point to be made here is that there are a significant number of 
scientists who are not yet convinced that the matter is settled and that the 
broad consensus being claimed by some, does not yet exist.

[Goanet] Are Muslims In India Appeased?

2009-02-27 Thread SHRIKANT BARVE

Muslims are still in the clutches of their religious gurus. These religious 
gurus oppose setting up of School near madarass. These religious gurus keep 
Muslims away from main stream education. Politicians keep this religious gurus 
happy for their gain.. This is basic appeasement. 

Now a move is going on to make Shariat Law applicable, is it taking community 
forward or backward?

Which Muslim reformist has won election in Muslim dominated locality?

Shrikant Vinayak Barve



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[Goanet] Constitutional validity of Gujarat Freedom of Religion Act challenged in HC

http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/constitutional-validity-of-gujarat-freedom-of-religion-act-challenged-in-hc/428621/

Re: [Goanet] Slum dog millionaire

2009-02-27 Thread Nascy Caldeira

Hi Tim,
 
No, I have not missed his 'point'. I am saying that I do not really have the 
FREEDOM, in all respects, to Walk the Talk.
Besides that, it is for Samir to answer my question, then I can expound on my 
general meaning. Is that not the way in debates?
Cheers!
 
Nascy.

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 --- On Thu, 26/2/09, Nascy Caldeira nascy...@yahoo.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi Samir, (and others)
  
 What do U mean, 'it doesn't cost anything'??? 
--
I think you are missing Samir's point.

Tim

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[Goanet] Can Obama-isation save the US or the world ?

Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 22:51:10 -0800 (PST)
From: ralph rau ralph...@yahoo.com

The world's ecosystems are in a state of terminal decline. 

Mario responds:

They are?  Terminal decline?!  I really haven't noticed. 

Ralph wrote:

We need leaders who will tell it like it is 

Mario observes:

Don't look to Obama - he has a poor record of telling it like it is as shown by 
the variance between what he says and what he does, most of the time.  No one 
knows when to believe what he says and when not to.

Ralph wrote:

Continue the US model to push consumption and growth using conventional energy 
and chemical technology and we destroy the planet by CO2 warming and toxic 
rivers and oceans.

Mario responds:

If you were familiar with the US where I live, you would know that our 
conventional energy and chemical technology is subject to stringent controls 
over what goes into our air, rivers and oceans, unlike India and China.  Most 
of our controls are based on health concerns.

Ralph wrote:

Rapidly attack the source of climate change - CO2 emissions using all possible 
resources, simultaneously reduce the damage to the world's ecosystems by 
eliminating polluting industry, while all the time ensuring that the basic 
necessity FOOD is evenly distributed to prevent rioting and the collapse of 
civil society. Re-organising global industry and commerce with near term job 
loss and re-training is inevitable. The old order must change and yield place 
to the new.

Maybe we can go down path B if all the best minds from MIT quit the banking 
system which they ruined by financial engineering and focus their high IQ on 
re-engineering human society ?

Mario responds:

Regarding the best minds from MIT, does it make sense to you that people who 
could mismanage relatively simple financial systems could successfully manage 
far more complex issues of the kind you want them to do?

Who is smart enough to decide which industries to preserve or eliminate?  For 
example, industries that provide us with crude oil, gasoline and electricity 
pollute to some extent.  Should we eliminate these?

Who is smart enough to decide how to distribute food evenly and fairly. 

Who is smart enough to re-organize global industry?  What exactly does this 
mean?

Who is smart enough to decide how much near term job loss is OK?  Would it be 
OK if you lost your job?

Who is smart enough to decide what the new order should look like?

Didn't India, China and the old Soviet Union already try all what you have 
suggested already, with supposedly smart people trying to decide which 
industries to preserve or eliminate, how to distribute food evenly, how to 
organize their industries, and how to make their countries heaven on earth?

They all gave up their original systems where smart people decided what was 
good for everyone else, and now many decisions are made by millions of 
consumers and producers, who are often not as smart as MIT grads but far more 
clever in making decisions for themselves.

In my following post you will see one succinct explanation of why no individual 
or group of individuals, whether they graduated from MIT or anywhere else, are 
smart enough to decide anything for everyone else. 

http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-February/174163.html

[Goanet] Communal tension in Rourkela

2009-02-27 Thread Vinay Natekar

Marshall Mendonza mmendonz...@gmail.com wrote: 

Communal tension in Rourkela1. It needs to be verified whether the news
report contains all factual

information and is not an inspired planted story emanating from the
sangh

parivar.

* Do we have to believe in all the  copy and  paste anti Hindu materials
from various fringe sites you post on Goanet are genuine ? 

 

2. Even if true, to conclude that one swallow makes a summer is highly
erroneous.

*Mainstream biased English Media will not report such incidents to
maintain their secular image. There are  much more similar incidents of
violence  against Hindus  going unreported. 

 

Regards

Vinay

[Goanet] US airs concern over `attacks on minorities' in India