[Goanet] comment about inquisition
The Roman Inquisition aimed at eradicating Protestantism throughout Italy, although by the end of the sixteenth century, it primarily dealt with crimes of witchcraft, magic, clerical discipline and Judaizing. King Manuel I had asked for the installation of the Inquisition in 1515, but the Pope did not agree. Between 1534 –1540, King João II of Portugal worked with Rome to bring the Inquisition to his realm. The Portuguese Inquisition was established in 1536 at the request of the King of Portugal, Joao III. Modeled on the Spanish institution, the Portuguese Inquisition aimed its prosecutions at converts, many of whom had been forcibly converted with the expulsion of the Jews in 1496, but also investigated cases of witchcraft, blasphemy, bigamy, and sodomy. The Portuguese Inquisition had tribunals in Lisbon, Évora, Coimbra, Lamego, and Tomar in Portugal. The Portuguese Inquisition expanded its scope of operations from Portugal to its colonial possessions, including Brazil, Cape Verde and Goa, that continued as a religious court, investigating and trying cases of breaches of the tenets of orthodox Roman Catholicism until it was abolished in 1821. As in Spain, the Inquisition was put under the authority of the King. It was headed by a Grand Inquisitor, or General Inquisitor, named by the Pope but selected by the king, and always from within the royal family. The Grand Inquisitor would later nominate other inquisitors. In Portugal, the first Grand Inquisitor was Cardinal Henry, who would later become King. Portugal held its first auto da fe in 1540. Like the Spanish Inquisition, it concentrated its efforts on rooting out converts from other faiths who did not adhere to the strictures of Catholic orthodoxy. Historical evidence demonstrates that after the initial harsh prosecutions of converts in the late fifteenth and early sixteenth centuries, the Spanish Inquisition was much less vicious than imagined. This is particularly true if it is examined in comparison to other courts of its time. By the beginning of the seventeenth century, when secular courts in areas such as the Holy Roman Empire were burning thousands of suspected witches, the Spanish Inquisition rarely produced a sentence of death and instead handed out relatively mild punishments. Much of the myth surrounding the Spanish Inquisition was created in the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries by European Protestants who used it as an example to demonstrate the evils of Catholicism. Although often accused of horrific crimes, the centralized nature of the early modern Inquisitions worked rather to keep abuses in check, something severely lacking in localized secular courts. Bibliography: Arnold, J. H. (2001). Inquisition and Power: Catharism and the Confessing Subject in Medieval Languedoc. Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania Press. Beinart, H. (1981). Conversos on Trial: The Inquisition in Ciudad Real. Jerusalem: Magnes Press. Bethencourt, F. (1995). L'Inquisition à l'Époque Moderne: Espagne, Italie, Portugal, Xve–XIXe siècle. Paris: Fayard. Edwards, J. (1999). The Spanish Inquisition. Charleston, S.C.: Tempus. Given, J. B. (1997). Inquisition and Medieval Society: Power, Discipline, and Resistance in Languedoc. Ithaca, N.Y.: Cornell University Press. Haliczer, S., ed. (1987). Inquisition and Society in Early Modern Europe. London: Croom Helm. Hamilton, B. (1981). The Medieval Inquisition. London: E. Arnold. Herculano, A. (1972). History of the Origin and Establishment of the Inquisition in Portugal. New York: Ktav Publishing House. Kamen, H. A. F. (1998). The Spanish Inquisition: A Historical Revision. New Haven, Conn.: Yale University Press. The Romans Crucified Jesus Christ, fed Christians to the lions until emperor Constantine converted to Catholicism. In India widows were burnt along with her dead husband, even now orthodox Brahmins deny any social status to widow. Maurice
[Goanet] Torches in the Fields at Night
Little knowledge is dangerous. Amigo, in the earths past history when animals came and went extinct (from the example you have provided), please be known that nature has / had its own ways of setting a balance to nature. Production / reproduction and destruction of lives is natures job and has not been handed down to man at any given point in time. Man has been given the wisdom to decide between necessity and abuse and when you abuse a system, it is not very pleasant as we all with or without the crappy mentality in the twenty-first century know and innumerable examples can be provided to substantiate my statement. Over and out ! Blasio -- Message: 3 Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 04:16:54 + From: Jim Fernandes amigo...@att.net Subject: [Goanet] Torches in the Fields at Night To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Message-ID: 061420090416.21567.4A3479B6000A00E1543F22230650029B0A02D29B9B0EBFC9 cfcf0109070...@att.net Ignorance is bliss? What a crappy mentality in the twenty-first century !!! I say, knowledge is power. Be happy in the knowledge that sometimes extinction of a species is good (see my response in my previous email on this - which is reproduced below). Are frogs really going to vanish, if a few thousand a year are consumed by humans in Goa? Get real, millions are being born every new season. Jim F New York. Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 11:42:44 + From: Jim Fernandes amigo...@att.net Subject: Re: [Goanet] Torches in the Fields at Night ... ... ... In Earth's past history, millions of animals came and went extinct. But the animal world still survived even though it must have disrupted their food chain. For example, the Dinosaurs came and went. That gave a perfect opportunity for mammals to take charge - and then to eventually give rise to mankind. If Dinoaaurs were to still survive, you and I wouldn't be here discussing about the frogs. Jim F. New York.
[Goanet] Daily Grook #436
DAILY GROOK #436 _ BOOZE CHOOSE _ by Francis Rodrigues drinking at clubs can be a real pain, but a pint at pubs is a real bar'gain! _ puns word-play of all kinds, hey...read between the lines! _ _ Attention all humans. We are your photos. Free us. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9666046
Re: [Goanet] Shiroda - where could it be ?
Dear Antonio, Thank you so much for this wonderful information and slice of history as usual. Also Dr Teotonio and Anjali have confirmed that it is the same Shiroda. Anjali has done research into the habits and cultural moors of the area and confirms it is the same. Best regards as always, Selma --- On Sat, 6/13/09, Antonio Menezes ac.mene...@gmail.com wrote: From: Antonio Menezes ac.mene...@gmail.com Subject: [Goanet] Shiroda - where could it be ? To: goanet goa...@goanet.org Date: Saturday, June 13, 2009, 10:09 PM Selma ( June 11 ) asks : '' Could anyone tell me if the Seroda that Richard Burton refers to in his book Goa and Blue Mountains is the same Shiroda in the outskirts of Ponda ''' It could indeed be Shiroda that is about 10 kms south of Ponda town on the right bank of the Zuari river opposite to Curtorim village of Salcete taluka which is on the left bank of the same river. From mid-sixteen to mid-eighteen centuries when Portuguese Goa consisted of only three talukas i.e. Salcete, Ilhas and Bardez, Zuari river formed the eastern boundary of southern Goa. According to oral traditions Shiroda was and still is a temple town famous for the temple dedicated to Goddess Kamakshi. In the temple area there were many matriarchal families who rendered yeoman service to Portuguese unattached young soldiers who were posted in the riverine or border villages from Guirdolim in the south to Chicalim in the north of Salcete peninsula. These matriarchal families whose daughters were very much sought \ after by the Portuguese soldiers crossed Zuari river ( aum saiba poltodi vetam ) and settled down inthe Portuguese controlled areas. Economically these daughters were precious assets and thus we could say the mestisso community was born in Goa.. But they also took pride in their sons. A typical matriarch, I believe, proudly boasted that her sons were sired by a porbhu, komoti, jyotyr etc.
[Goanet] SFX and the Inquisition
[Goanet] SFX and the Inquisition Talking about church or priest or inquisition? Then he/she must be either a Hindu or BJP supporter Very nice one! No point of going any further as it is very likely to become an endless thread (going by the past experience) And I thought, I am the only ‘bekar xett’ on the goanet Ok, after searching Google, this is what I have found – From Goanet archive. http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2003-November/093740.html Thanks joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
[Goanet] Comment about Bom Jesus Basilica among 7 wonders of Portuguese origin
Ignatius Fernandes writes: When Indira Gandhi was assassinated by a Sikh body guard a lot of Sikhs men, women, and children were indiscriminately burned, hacked and murdered by Hindus. My response: Just to set the record straight. The ones who murdered the Sikhs did not do so as Hindus. They did it as Congressmen. Ignatius Fernandes as writes: We should talk of recent events first before we tackle events in previous centuries. My response: We can tackle ALL events at the same time. One should recognize that the inquisition in Goa happened many years before the two that Ignatius has mentioned. If we were to follow his criteria for discussions, then one can always use a recent event to shut down discussion on a previous issue. Best Regards, Dr U. G. Barad
Re: [Goanet] Comment about Bom Jesus Basilica among 7 wonders of Portuguese origin
Dear Mario, Thank you so much for your even-tempered post! It's a relief and gives a sense of balance to the replies I've received on Goanet. I just want to clarify for those to whom it would make a difference that I am not Hindu. My father is Hindu, my mother Catholic, and I was confirmed as Catholic. I am not practicing, but nonetheless am well versed with the Bible and what it means to be 'Christian'. However, regarding visitors knowing about the Inquisition, it's interesting that you've had a different experience with your American friends being aware of Goa's history. As I mentioned before, none of the non-Goans I've ever spoken to have known about it. Nonetheless I completely agree with all your points, particularly that the Inquisition was un-Christian, just like terrorism is to Islam, and I think there is no need to get defensive about the violence perpetrated by colonialists hundreds of years ago. I also agree with your point of view on Slum Dog Millionaire and think that is a good analogy for the discussion we're having because 'understanding the good with the bad in the proper context' was the intention I had in bringing up the Inquisition debate in the first place. But I wish I hadn't written the post now, because I see there are many strong feelings about this issue, and it's something Goans need to reconcile with and decide how to represent these facts to outsiders, or decide not to represent them at all. That would be your prerogative. I am sorry I made my observation public, if it is to have any negative consequence whatsoever. Best, Sapna. PS - On a separate note... I am curious about what Bernardo was referring to when he said it was illegal for me to live in Goa? I can only guess he meant that I was uninvited because I was not Goan. I can empathise with the uneasy feeling that Goa is witnessing an increased migration of people from outside Goa, because I have seen it myself over the past 20 years. But I think it's better to address the issues arising out of the actual negative impact of this migration such as overcrowding of businesses in tourist areas, lack of resources for new migrants, etc...rather than bundling the issue as a discontent towards outsiders. I say this because outsiders have brought a lot of good to the state as well, have they not? I think Goa now boasts some of the best restaurants and hotels in India (and/or the world?). Also, I think the reason some people move here other than the natural beauty, is a perceived acceptance of diversity. So that is something you should be proud of, and make the most out of, since pluralistic societies have shown immense prosperity in the developed world. On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Mario Goveia mgov...@sbcglobal.netwrote: 2009/6/12 Sapna Shahani sapnashah...@gmail.com As a non-Goan who's lived here on and off for 20 years, I'm very curious about Goa's history with the Inquisition. How is it that the gory history of Goa's past remains virtually unknown by outsiders or tourists? The Basilica of Bom Jesus is a beautiful building but I find it odd that visitors don't know what cruelties once took place in the vicinity of the Basilica. Would love to hear the thoughts of people on this list... Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 18:28:49 -0400 From: J. Colaco jc cola...@gmail.com You apear to be a genuine person. So I say to you: If today is the day to wash clothes, and the washing machines are not being used, Let us wash ALL the dirty laundry - in public. Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 10:35:00 +0900 From: Joao Barros-Pereira joaobarrospere...@gmail.com A sign of a civilized and mature people, in my view, is to let bygones be bygones. We have a recorded history of the Inquisition but it does not mean it has to have a place of pride on tourism billboards. Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 02:37:21 + (GMT) From: Bernado Colaco ole_...@yahoo.co.uk First off all your stay in Goa is illegal. Second the In quistion issue has been trashed on this forum. In fact could you tell us about Hatti Mere SATI. Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 09:31:33 +0530 From: Jason Keith Fernandes jason.k.fernan...@gmail.com If at all, there is more (mis)information about the Inquisition than there is information, so perhaps we would do well to investigate that. But I am curious, what exactly do you hope to achieve from broadcasting this information to the visitors to the site? Perhaps you know that the 'information' about the Inquisition, is very often used to place contemporary (and native) Catholics in an uncomfortable position. Is this the intent of your inquiry? If not, then perhaps the lack of awareness about contemporary politics is just another one of your blind spots. My apologies for the terseness of the message, the bite is not intended to offend, merely to make a point. Mario responds: Whoa! What the heck happened here? As the lone voice on Goanet of reason, truth and peace I am shocked at the responses so far to a
[Goanet] Goa's Mining Woes
Goa's Mining Woes As per News Paper reports of 14th June, Speaker of the Goa's Legislative Assembly went on record in stating that a number of politicians were involved directly or indirectly in illegal mining activities in Goa. It's been stated that at present, there are at least 40 illegal mining operations being carried out in Goa. Even though all this stands out like a full blown sore eye, the Government acts blind to this monstrous issue. How long will it be before the forest cover of Goa is totally destroyed and we are faced with the dilemma of an irreversible ecological disaster ? India's forest policy clearly says that we should work towards 33% forest cover in a couple of years. With so far, more than 50% forest cover already destroyed by mining, this policy looks more like a crude joke on Goa's environment. If the people who are supposed to implement the policies of their respective Governments, are themselves defaulters, what more can we expect from these corrupt, inept imbeciles? For all developmental purposes man and nature has to move hand in hand and in ambience, and in our quest and vision for development and revenue enhancement, we should also make sure, that we maintain our ecological balance as well, which in fact is, very essential for the survival of mankind itself. The whole world is worried about the depleting ozone layer, due to increasing toxic emissions and depleting forest cover world wide and our incompetent Government is only adding to the woes of the global community with further reduction in green cover. The way our forests are being destroyed, 33% forest cover surely looks wishful thinking. Performing isn't easy in such an atmosphere of irrationality, particularly when the ministers helped by a bunch of bureaucrats and so called experts mostly incapable of any logical thinking except when it comes to bloating up their own fortunes. At this point in time it is most imperative that we look at this very delicate and demanding issue with a lot more seriousness and aggression if required and put an end to this destruction of or natural wealth and preserve it for our future generations. Freddy Agnelo Fernandes The content of this electronic communication is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and any others who are specifically authorized to receive it. It may contain confidential or legally privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or otherwise placing reliance on the contents of this information is prohibited and may be unlawful in certain legal jurisdictions. If you have received this communication in error please notify the sender immediately by responding to this email and then delete it from your system. __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __
[Goanet] Saffron can protect against eyesight loss - Telegraph
Is this the secret to prevent eyesight loss? Con http://www.telegraph.co.uk/scienceandtechnology/science/sciencenews/5522063/Saffron-can-protect-against-eyesight-loss.html
[Goanet] WHO Declares Swine Flu Pandemic - TIME
What implications has this alert have for us? Con http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1904062,00.html?iid=digg_share
[Goanet] Shiroda
Somehow to anyone the family name 'Shiridkar' rings a bell? Seems familiar to me, but can't place it. Please help. Md.
[Goanet] Comment about Bom Jesus Basilica among 7 wonders
Hi Sapna, There are many books written by Goans about the history of Goa. Please visit a book store in Goa and pick up one or more copies, of one or more books. You will help yourself, your friends and the Goan writers and publishers who have researched Goan history in fairly great detail. If you live, in the USA and do not have access to those books, please let me know. Regards, GL Sapna Shahani As a non-Goan who's lived here on and off for 20 years, I'm very curious about Goa's history with the Inquisition. How is it that the gory history of Goa's past remains virtually unknown by outsiders or tourists? The Basilica of Bom Jesus is a beautiful building but I find it odd that visitors don't know what cruelties once took place in the vicinity of the Basilica. Would love to hear the thoughts of people on this list...
[Goanet] St. Anthony, Pics, video and a hymn (singing)
St. Anthony, Pics, video and a hymn (singing) It was only yesterday, late evening, when we were passing via Majorda-Cansaulim-Velsao, we saw some devotees gathered at a road side Holy Cross singing litany. I immediately took out my camera and recorded the whole 10 verse hymn of St. Anthony. The same sound file I have added to this clip ‘St. Anthony, Goa-Velha’ in the background. All 10 verse lyrics also given below for you to sing along. Watch this clip (fotos followed by a video clip) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdA0q-j2N0M Orasao: Sant Antoni Bokta Firgueamche kuddichea Tujea livrar kheuta Minin Jesu Raza Minin Jezu khellta munnon Nosa Senhorin ghatli dimi Orasao mental kori Bhoktu Sant Antoni Doria munntea mazar Koslo zalo dunvor Padri eta kumvor Bhoktu Sant Antoni Jeruzalea Xarantu Rogtamchio zalio zori Ochoriam kori Bhoktu Sant Antoni. Davidanu Sangilem Salamavan sopon parkilem Ballok hantu kheutalem Bhocta Sant Antonichea Xastro porgotta astana Magli noman mori Morti livrar keli Aplea bapaiveli Mezu armar korun Furutu manddilem Melolem bhurgem tuvem Ochorian jivem kelem Xinvteam mogureamcho Kelo eku pollu Milagrimcho bhoktu (Bhoktu) Sant Antoni Harpam violam vazun Muzganim kelo Kantu Firgeamgelo Santu Bhoktu Sant Antoni Sant Antoni bhokta Ochoream tujim tera Choudavem kori bhokta Amchea papiamchea xara Note:: I have also received two requests for its English translation. Would appreciate any help on this as I am not very good at it. joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
[Goanet] Snake Awareness Programme At Lourdes Convent Primary, School.
The sankes presented live were (English + Konkani names): - Buff Striped Keelback - Naneti or Rakt Mandoli - Rat Snake - Divod - Cobra - Nag - Indian Rock Python - Har There also was the venomous and dangerous Russels Viper (Ganas or Agior Cusdo), Hi Mario, Good to know that snake awareness levels are on the rise thanks to efforts by you and other Saligaokars, One bit of info however seems to be incorrect. Either you were misinformed or this is a typo, but the konkani name for Buff Striped Keelback is not Rakt Mandoli. The venomous saw scaled viper is known as rakt mandol Clinton.. +91 9890936828 klint...@gmail.com
[Goanet] Caju and conversation
http://www.livemint.com/2009/06/12234150/Caju-and-conversation.html?h=B ** ** *Caju and Conversation* * * Zac O’Yeah ** Somehow, Goa had been filed away at the back of my mind as the quintessential tourist spot with its hippies, who still hope that The Beatles are going to reunite for one last gig in Anjuna, with George Harrison and John Lennon playing the Ouija board. And its beaches, where shacks innovate in permutations of German, British, Swedish, Italian, Israeli and French cuisines, and also, of course, due to the fact that it was recently used as a backdrop by Hollywood as the perfect hideaway for Matt Damon in the thriller *Bourne Supremacy. * Simply, a place for going underground, letting loose and getting tight. *Zac O’ Yeah speaks to Sudeep Chakravarti on Goa’s ascension as a creative paradise* Listen Now But I had to rethink my preconceived notions when I heard of a mysterious migratory trend. Somebody mentioned that my favourite author, Amitav Ghosh, had moved there and that many of the other writers I find interesting, from Sudhir Kakar to Sunil Khilnani, have homes in Goa. When an old Mumbai acquaintance, children’s writer Rahul Srivastava, bought a lovely flat overlooking the Mandovi river at a fraction of the Mumbai rates, I realized that I had to go and find out what was going on. Once you tear your eyes away from the semi-clad tourists littering the beaches, you’ll, of course, discover that Goa has always been a literary hub. [image: Booked for good: (clockwise from top left) Sudeep Chakravarti says he wants to start a writers’ cooperative in Goa to support literary work in South Asia; Cecil Pinto, a Goan, is a humour columnist and florist; Diviya Kapur, a former lawyer, converted a 100-year-old bungalow in Calangute into Literati, a book café. Abhijit Bhatlekar / Mint] Booked for good: (clockwise from top left) Sudeep Chakravarti says he wants to start a writers’ cooperative in Goa to support literary work in South Asia; Cecil Pinto, a Goan, is a humour columnist and florist; Diviya Kapur, a former lawyer, converted a 100-year-old bungalow in Calangute into Literati, a book café. Abhijit Bhatlekar / Mint Pick up the delightful anthology *Ferry Crossings* (1996) and you’ll read some of the best Goan fiction, compiled by the renowned Goa-based poet Manohar Shetty. It includes Damodar Mauzo, whose Konkani novel *Karmelin*won the Sahitya Akademi award in 1983, and the veteran journalist Victor Rangel-Ribeiro, author of *Tivolem—*one of those novels which, like R.K. Narayan’s, are deceptively simple but seem to encompass an entire universe. Besides, Goa has its great non-fiction writers too, most notably Maria Couto, who wrote the monumental *Goa: A Daughter’s Story*. The multicultural traditions run far back, as proven by the fact that Goan literature is written in Konkani, Marathi, Portuguese as well as English, and that Goans are prominent in the Indian diaspora from Africa to New York. Yet, few visitors are aware that one such “expat”, Abbe Faria, born in Candolim in 1755, developed a method for “hipnotismo scientifico” way back before hypnotism was officially invented, and became so famous in Paris that Alexandre Dumas even based a character on him in his swashbuckling, pseudo-historical, mass-market best-seller, *The Count of Monte Cristo*(1845). If Goan soil is so fertile, it might make sense for new writers to put down roots and perhaps cross-fertilize, I thought, as the propeller plane made hesitant loops over the tiny Dabolim airfield. I carried, in my head, images of 1800s Berlin or *fin-de-siècle *Paris, times when artists from around the world were pulled to the cabarets; or the Carmel-Big Sur stretch of Californian coast that attracted Robert Heinlein, Henry Miller and even, for a short while, the perpetual hitch-hiker Jack Kerouac, who wrote the documentary novel *Big Sur* (1962). And then there was this fascinating research that I’d come across: Recent studies suggest that in a global economy, creative milieus—measured by the number of artists per capita, ethnic variety in the population, general educational level and the number of forums for self-expression—have high competitive potential. And hence, attract even more talent. [image: Hypnotic: A statue of Abbe Faria in Panjim. Zac O’ Yeah] Hypnotic: A statue of Abbe Faria in Panjim. Zac O’ Yeah Interestingly, two years in a row, Swedish and Indian writers have come together for easy-going workshops in Calangute—among prominent participants have been novelists Manjula Padmanabhan and Anjum Hasan, children’s writer Paro Anand, and Malayalam poet K. Satchidanandan, a former secretary of the Sahitya Akademi. Among them were also Swedish poet laureate Arne Johnsson, who visited Goa for the first time in February, leaving an icy Scandinavian climate behind. He felt deeply stimulated by Goa’s mix of cultures and the many creative people he came across. Being in India was “like being in the eye of a storm”, he told me, and
[Goanet] Releasing in Kuwait on 19th June - Comedian Joana's Konkani VCD Lakhpoti Zanvoi
GULF-GOANS e-NEWSLETTER (since 1994) RELEASING IN KUWAIT ON 19th JUNE 2009 V-TELE-FILMS PROMOTIONS (Carmona) presents Natural Comedian JOANA's 3rd Konkani VCD Lakhpoti Zanvoi Featuring: Comedian Selvy, Comedian Ben, Maggie, Comedian Marcus, Anil, Olga, Caitan and Comedian Joana. Music: Angelo Script: Manuel Pereira Produced by Cony Fernandes and Directed by Comedian JOANA. Goa World www.colaco.net http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gulf-goans/message/24873 www.t-bush.com www.goa-world.com/goa/ music/ - The Online Music Station for KONKANI THANKS TO ALL FOR YOUR PRAYERS http://www.jrsbible.info/bible.htm EXPRESSIONS - THE FLOWER SHOP http://www.goa-world.com/expressions/
[Goanet] Comment about Bom Jesus Basilica among 7 wonders of Portuguese origin
Dear Sapna, Based on what you say about Rough Guides, yours may be considered as an inadvertent error. Had you stated that you had come across the information in that travel guide or any other it would have come across as a different concern. Please understand that often people formulate a questions or state something which appears as if it is their though, and hence they are held accountable. This is generally a decent forum, but you will learn for yourself. Had you said (please pardon my putting it this way), that you noticed such and such in Rough Guides or elsewhere and could someone shed some light on it, that may have been seen different. No guarantees, but I would hope so. It is a sensitive issue in that there is a lot of convenient misunderstanding walled around it. The ones who responded to you are not sensitive in the way one commonly understands the word, but sensitive enough to get alerted to penning a response. That's is a different kind of awareness, and respecting your having noticed some familiarity in a sentence or two. Rest assured they are some of the most astute people around. Welcome, things will be much better at least from the group that responded. My earlier response may give you some perspective, and is as gentle as the word gentle suggests. I will soon send you my earlier post, since it will be a while before it appears on Goanet. venantius j pinto From: Sapna Shahani sapnashah...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Goanet] Comment about Bom Jesus Basilica among 7 wonders of Portuguese origin To: Jason Keith Fernandes jason.k.fernan...@gmail.com Cc: goanet@lists.goanet.org Message-ID: 8c1ee09c0906122150v584d016buce3693a72c0eb...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Jason, It wasn't my intention at all to provoke. By the way, I was raised Catholic (I am Anglo-Indian). What gives me the impression that Inquisition information is not known to visitors from outside Goa are my interactions with people I have met over 20 years of living in Goa on and off. Please don't confuse me with right-wing Hindus whom I've been given to understand have used this history to their advantage. I have no affinity for those types, in fact, quite the opposite. I was just struck when I learned that the Inquisition in Goa was possibly one of the worst in the world (according to the Rough Guide). This was years after I had started visiting Goa and after numerous visits to Old Goa. So it made me wonder why I never heard about that before, and I simply wanted to hear perspectives on this subject from this list. I'm sorry if I touched some nerves, I didn't realize it was such a sensitive issue, and I thought this list had intellectuals who could respectfully debate with one another. I hope future posters would reply a little more gently, so as not to scare away first-time posters like myself who may be non-Goan, but have significant respect for the land, and are trying to contribute to the economy in a positive way. In particular Jason, I thought your comment that 'my lack of awareness about contemporary politics is just another one of my blind spots' was out of line. I didnt think we knew each other well enough for you to know any other blind spots that I may have. Best, Sapna.
Re: [Goanet] Mega Project Realities
Its a good thing that you have put rampant hill-cutting as the number 1 issue. The reason I say the above is because this sort of activity which includes heavy felling of old-growth forests, be in for building or mining purposes, will soon cause a major climate shift in Goa and the surrounds. Trees act as evaporative vessels, and in doing so, cause sea-breezes to commence (I am not going into the technicalities of this). In addition, trees are natural carbon sinks as also allow other living things to inhabit them. Once trees are cut, evaporative processes slow down, naturally cooling sea-breezes which one used to enjoy in the months of April and May are no longer present, which is a fact nowadays. Add to that flattening of hills, and we have changed the topography to nature's detriment. Unfortunately, the juggernaut of progress cannot be stopped easily, and in today's world, the bean-counters and money-makers have taken over humanity in most parts of the world. The only brakes to this are such actions as a few as yourself take. Gabriel. - Original Message From: Arwin Mesquita arwinmesqu...@gmail.com To: Goanet goa...@goanet.org Sent: Sunday, 14 June, 2009 2:29:57 AM Subject: [Goanet] Mega Project Realities (1) Destruction of Beautiful landscapes rampant hill cutting. Need a Holiday? Win a $10,000 Holiday of your choice. Enter now.http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylc=X3oDMTJxN2x2ZmNpBF9zAzIwMjM2MTY2MTMEdG1fZG1lY2gDVGV4dCBMaW5rBHRtX2xuawNVMTEwMzk3NwR0bV9uZXQDWWFob28hBHRtX3BvcwN0YWdsaW5lBHRtX3BwdHkDYXVueg--/SIG=14600t3ni/**http%3A//au.rd.yahoo.com/mail/tagline/creativeholidays/*http%3A//au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/%3Fp1=other%26p2=au%26p3=mailtagline
[Goanet] Congrets : Goa Won Santosh Trophy after 27 years.
Goa beat Bengal first time in finals after many unsuccessful occasions in the past. In a penalty shoot out Goa scored 4:2 IT was goal less till extra time. Shrikant Vinayak Barve Convener: We Love Ayurved 9403175973 Explore and discover exciting holidays and getaways with Yahoo! India Travel http://in.travel.yahoo.com/
Re: [Goanet] Comment about Bom Jesus Basilica among 7 wonders of Portuguese origin
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 05:10:18 -0400 From: Joe Lobo tw...@pathcom.com As a goan who has spent more time outside Goa, I personally feel that this historical quest of yours is an attempt to stir up events that happened a good 400 years ago or so.which will engender communal discord between the Hindu and Christian communities. Mario asks: Joe, Kitem mhontai, re? Are you saying that a discussion of FACTUAL information of ancient atrocities that have ceased hundreds of years ago is going to create discord between Hindus and Christians today? May I remind you that Christians have recently been attacked by Hindutva thugs in India and the Inquisition was not one of the excuses proclaimed by the Hindutvas for these attacks. Sapna Sahani wrote: I thought this list had intellectuals who could respectfully debate with one another. Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 02:33:08 -0400 From: J. Colaco jc cola...@gmail.com You are (as they say) in a class by yourself - even though, you should not be surprised at the support you will get from the saffron haters of Catholics in Goa and elsewhere. Mario responds: Sapna, I think you may be finding out that, at least on this topic, Goan Intellectual is a contradiction in terms:-)) Irritated, paranoid Christians is more like it:-)) Just kidding, JC, but you are hardly distinguishing yourself with the uncharacteristic and unsubstantiated comments like the one above, unless you know Sapna personally well enough to know she is in a class by herself. BTW, I consider you to be in a class by yourself, in a complimentary way, of course:-)) Secondly, I have no problem with Sapna's question, which some of you are blowing up out of all proportion given that the Inquisition in Goa was not a myth but a brutal reality and an unfortunate example of Christian fascism that Goan Catholics of today seem curiously ashamed of even though they had nothing to do with it and neither did any of the teachings in Christ-centered Christianity. Thirdly, saffron haters of Catholics??? I answered Sapna's question in a previous post in this thread in a supportive manner without being defensive and without wearing my saffron robes and red dot on my forehead:-)) In fact, I wrote as a practicing Catholic who is not afraid of the truth and can distinguish between the teachings of Christ and the atrocities that were committed in his name by Christian fanatics which had no resemblance to anything that Christ taught. Finally, we don't have to go back centuries to find inappropriate behavior by Christians, as we have seen in recent years. Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 11:33:46 +0530 From: Jason Keith Fernandes jason.k.fernan...@gmail.com Let me reiterate my apology. Yes, the last line was out of line. No debate there. to further this discussion though, perhaps we should not be making statement based on something like the Rough Guide. Its exactly that! the Rough Guide for Christ's sake! :-D How does one say that the Goa Inquisition was one of the worst in the world? Mario observes: Jason, I commend you for calming down and apologizing because your initial reaction was unbecoming and way out of line. However, you are continuing to be unnecessarily defensive and trying to obfuscate the un-Christian horror of the Inquisition by taking picayune issue with the Rough Guide and quibbling about whether the Goa Inquisition was the worst in the world. The point is not where Sapna read about it or whether it was one of the worst in the world, because that is a relative opinion that cannot be validated. The Inquisition is a historical fact, and it was nasty by any rational standard, and notorious because it was done in the name of Christ, who would have been horrified by the intentions and practices that took place during the Inquisition. Jason Keith wrote: WHy is there silence? perhaps because we dont want to discuss the issue? because it results only in the entire debate getting skewed. And we dont need right wing Hindus to skew the debate. the best skewers of the debate are Nationlist Catholics, Zionists, and Orieintalist/ racist Europeans. Each for their own reasons of being more Indian, for adding larger intellectual foundations for the zionist project, and the Euros who can reaffirm racial distinctions by saying how wrong it was to try to make INdians, who ought to be Hindu (and non-'western') into Christian and 'western'. in other words they should remain 'authentic'. Mario observes: Another gratuitous boatload of red herrings. Does avoiding an issue get it unskewed? So far the only Hindu from any wing in this thread has been Dr. Barad with a perfectly rational and civil response to Ignatius' comments. We have also not heard from a single Zionist, Orientalist or racist European. The only Nationalist Catholic would be me, and I am an American and have no interest in being any more Indian than anyone else. I have only
[Goanet] Ayurved and Allopath
A Ayurveda Practitioner says the two disciplines, in my mind, simply do not mix. The reason they do not mix is the training of the allopathic practitioner and his attitude towards anything other than allopathic medicine. Unlike the Ayurvedic practitioner who is open to all true healing modalities, the allopath has strict guidelines to follow regarding the status of the patient and his treatment. Is this going against theme that I am working on All streams of medicine should interact with each other regularly for good of humanity? Shrikant Vinayak Barve Convener: We Love Ayurved 9403175973 Bollywood news, movie reviews, film trailers and more! Go to http://in.movies.yahoo.com/
Re: [Goanet] M Boyer: Today's Funeral ad, other Ads, today's tiatr etc
We all share the loss of a legend M Boyer, our BOYER. Goa surely has lost a GEM. But Life goes on. We cannot stop what M Boyer Lived for. He entertained people all his life and we should carry where he left off. So if people are wondering why are there two tiatrs running and not cancelled, my friend by having the tiatrs we get the opportunity to share his life and what he strived for. Let's all contribute to Boyer's family and help them out specially his wife who has lost her pillar of strength. I do not think M Boyer would want any programs cancelled because of his death. His life was Tiatr and let's all have more of them for his memory and dedicate it to M Boyer. A Big Fan of M Boyer.
[Goanet] Comment about Bom Jesus Basilica among 7 wonders of Portuguese origin
*Comment about Bom Jesus Basilica among 7 wonders of Portuguese origin* *Sat Jun 13 22:48:21 PDT 2009* Ignatius Fernandes writes: When Indira Gandhi was assassinated by a Sikhbody guard a lot of Sikhs men, women, and children were indiscriminatelyburned, hacked and murdered by Hindus. My response: Just to set the record straight. The ones who murdered theSikhs did not do so as Hindus. They did it as Congressmen. Joao observes:I suppose, since they were Congressman, they ceased to be Hindus! Ignatius Fernandes as writes: We should talk of recent events first beforewe tackle events in previous centuries. My response: We can tackle ALL events at the same time. One shouldrecognize that the inquisition in Goa happened many years before the twothat Ignatius has mentioned. If we were to follow his criteria fordiscussions, then one can always use a recent event to shut down discussionon a previous issue. Joao observes: The Inquisition happened centuries ago. No one who is alive today can be held personally responsible. There is a difference, my friend ... Best Regards, Dr U. G. Barad
[Goanet] GOA gets SANTOSH once more
In a clash of India's most dominant 'footie'' regions, GOA ended a super season, with the Coach Mariano guided boys pulling off a 4-2 win over Bengal via SUDDEN DEATH in the final of the 2009 63rd National Football Championship for the Santosh Trophy played in chennai this evening, certaininl;ywell deserved icing on the cake for the Goa football Association secretary savio messias who takes who takes the GFA into its golden jubilee season. . Goa which has easily dominated the Indian football scenario in the last five seaons (2004-05 to 2009) exorcised the ghosts of the past by taking home the most coveted and the only PRIZE that eluded the state in the last three seasons. It was Goas first win against Bengal in six meetings in the final and their fifth title triumph and fourth outright (they were joint-winners once). Bengal last won in 1999 whilst Goa took the cup 1n 2005. After a goaless 90 minutes and half-hour of extra-time period which saw both teams put up a gritty fight in an entertaining and evenly balanced encounter it was heartbreak for Bengal and 'Santosh zalem Goem.Leading to the penalty shootout, Climax Lawrence, Beevan DMello, John Charles Dias and Fulganco Cardozo converted for Goa. former International and spoting clube de Goa 's man in the den Captain Felix DSouza brought off saves off Safar Sardar and Lalkamal Bhowmik. as Bengal Snehashish Chakraborty and Pachau Lalam Puia found the net for Bengal. *Goan skipper Saligao lad felix DSouza thus came through the tournament without conceding a goal during regulation period to emulate fellow Goan and the legendary goalie Bramhanand Shankwalkar who was so far the only goalie in India to do so three decades ago. Climax and Covan Lawrence who have a plaY in separarte units in club football, also bagged have the distinction of being the only Brothers on Field' for both 2004-05 and the current Santosh Triumphs.* Bengal paid a heavy price with a slightly casual approach of their strikers missing scoring chances galore while Goa, playing their eighth match in three weeks, looked more likely to score though neither could break the deadlock.. Bengal kicked off in style and had Goa under pressure with a series of raids as they intelligently moved the ball around from flank to flank to keep the defenders guessing. but couldnt get past some commited and clean defending from mercurial defender Mahesh Gawli who was equally matched by SOME inspired defending by Covan Lawrence .GOA's Young gunners however, were found inexeperienced in positioning and anticipation despite a constant supply of exellent crosses from Nicholas Rodrigues (left) and Wilton Gomes (right) from the wings and midfield play lead by Climax lawrence . After lemon break, it was Goa who took the initiative and in fact looked more dangerous when on the move.in the second half using the width of the field to stretch the Bengal defence that just about managed to avert danger. *Marcus Mascarenhas, the livewire in the Goan ranks was undoubtedly the player of the match for Goa, kept the team move with splitters from the midfield and then following up on the attacks.* and the Bengal goal looked certain to fall at any moment. A few close shaves kept Bengal in the game, but their defending left a lot to be desired. The Goan forwards too were guilty wasting a couple of great scoring chances off some . In the dying moments,Felix DSouzas courage and reflexes to bring off a couple of saves to take the game into 'sudden death'..for Bengal. whilst Tamil-Nadu younster Muthu bagged the player off the tourney' , Goa who did not have a single foul in the final also took the Fair Play award. Bengal tiger endangered ?well thats agood debate for another day .Football loving GOANS are getting set to welcome victorius team Goa (at 5 pm,tommorow) in a rally linning the streets from southernest Pallolem to the hub of our football ,the PJN stadium at fatorda. Right now, its SANTOSH times iN GOA.. \
Re: [Goanet] Different points of view
my comments interspersed as (jc) Sapna Shahani [SS] wrote SS [1] I find it unfortunate that you have to slam people with a different point of view from yours. jc 1: You mean the view of Rough Guides? SS [2]You have a right to be upset if you hear something you don't like, but you can express that in a respectful way on a public forum. Your inability to do that reflects a kind of coarseness that's not becoming for an 'intellectual' such as yourself. jc 2: I make NO claims of being as much of an intellectual as the one who relies on rough guides for knowledge. SS[3] Regarding your comment about 'women related intellectual issues', don't you think that's at least a little sexist by your standards? Do you really think that women should only discuss issues that pertain to their gender? Or maybe that is your way of subjugating a woman into silence from future discourse? jc3: Good method of ducking - BUT, intellectually speaking, have you researched those topics, OR are you just interested in being a tool of the disruptionists? SS [4] I was going to invite you to visit my home and check out if I am in fact Anglo-Indian, but now I don't see that as a good way to spend my time. jc 4: Are you not assuming that I would have accepted your invitation? SS [5]: And again, I guess your narrow mind is telling you that you can only discuss British atrocities with Anglo-Indians? jc 4: And your broad mind is telling you .Hey, I find that Hindu Goans and Catholic Goans are good friends; How come nobody is such a good friend of mine. Let me create a storm on GoaNet and see what happens. let me make division among them - so that I look like a 'bhitollem' and they become the 'bhaille'. Then, my ilk can come and do more damagethis time to the environment. jc
[Goanet] Fwd: GOA gets SANTOSH once more-------------------RE:CORECTION-------------victory celebz.
The celebration to hounour the Santosh trophy vicrors are at 5pm Tilak maidan.NOT PJN Fatorda. mea culpa! cheers! z some commited and clean defending from mercurial defender Mahesh Gawli who was equallFootball loving GOANS are getting set to welcome victorius team Goa (at 5 pm,tommorow) in a rally linning the streets from southernest Pallolem to the hub of our football ,the PJN stadium at fatorda. Right now, its SANTOSH times iN GOA.. \
[Goanet] Shiroda - where could it be ?
I don't think my comment has much bearing on Selma's question regarding Richard Burton. But just incidentally, P. P. Shirodkar, (there were two - the father was a freedom fighter and first Speaker of the Goa Assembly; the son was Director of Archives in Goa - but I could never figure out whether father or son actually made the following assertion) used to claim that he was originally from Serula, which he claimed was a corruption of Shiroda. The Serula Communidade, one of the largest, if not the largest in Goa comprises of Salvador-do-Mundo, Socorro and Porvorim. Augusto -- Augusto Pinto 40, Novo Portugal, Moira, Bardez, Goa, India E pinto...@gmail.com or ypinto...@yahoo.co.in P 0832-2470336 M 9881126350
[Goanet] Goa news for June 15, 2009
Goa News from Google News and Goanet.org Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories. *** Sesa Goa buys Dempo\'s mining - Wall Street Journal argest acquisition in India's iron ore industry, Sesa Goa, a subsidiary of London-listed Vedanta Resources, today acquired Goa-based Dempo group's mining and maritime businesses for Rs 17.5 billion in an all-cash deal. ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/1-0fd=Rurl=http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124477538725409047.html?mod=googlenews_wsjcid=1259165391ei=-oc1Squ_LaXmNef3_IMIusg=AFQjCNGpmGoH9Rdxh0bLESaKOFxlpkuc0Q *** Goa regains Santosh Trophy - Hindu win over Bengal via tie- break in the final and lifted the Santosh Trophy in ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/0-0fd=Rurl=http://www.hindu.com/2009/06/15/stories/2009061555871500.htmcid=1260413176ei=-oc1Squ_LaXmNef3_IMIusg=AFQjCNGxJjE-u3oI793zt4FuQ8VevKzj7A *** India\'s Goa state shocked by serial killer confessions - Sin Chew Jit Poh When police in Goa first arrested Mahanand Naik, little did they know that he would soon send shockwaves through the Indian resort state popular with tourists from all over the world. Detectives picked up the auto-rickshaw driver on ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/4-0fd=Rurl=http://www.mysinchew.com/node/25914cid=1259962064ei=-oc1Squ_LaXmNef3_IMIusg=AFQjCNGWcGdKyPHL3uSwlVZi0BXhY8np3Q *** South Asian Film fest kicks off on June 26 in Goa - Hindu ay event will feature movies from Afghanistan, ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/2-0fd=Rurl=http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/009200906150332.htmcid=1260821876ei=-oc1Squ_LaXmNef3_IMIusg=AFQjCNGq_kgLz-YV5SVDbVNSCuklntQjfQ *** Goa professor suspended for sexually harassing students - Zee News http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/8-0fd=Rurl=http://www.zeenews.com/news539191.htmlcid=1260823956ei=-oc1Squ_LaXmNef3_IMIusg=AFQjCNH3gSbGmzFrO6rVSWTqx74nfQvwfQ *** Levy service tax on all guests: HEFOI - Times of India mes of India, IndiaPANAJI: The Goa unit of the Hotel Employees' Federation of India (HEFOI) has demanded a 10 to 15% service tax on all guests and customers. This is expected to be distributed among hotel employees as is practised in other tourist destinations around the ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/9-0fd=Rurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Cities/Levy-service-tax-on-all-guests-HEFOI-/articleshow/4656227.cmscid=0ei=-oc1Squ_LaXmNef3_IMIusg=AFQjCNFSXt2GrWDXC68aN-83vSbOe_mq1Q *** One teacher, one room for two primary classes - Times of India mes of India, IndiaPANAJI: In a majority of primary schools in Goa, standard one students sing out the ABC even as class two pupils repeat by rote the tables seated in one classroom and taught by the same teacher. Over 70% of primary schools in Goa function with either ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/7-0fd=Rurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Cities/One-teacher-one-room-for-two-primary-classes-/articleshow/4656787.cmscid=0ei=-oc1Squ_LaXmNef3_IMIusg=AFQjCNGbqGdEuT4PI6IajsYDvMbzxtDR5A *** Sardinha seeks special tourism package for Goa - Times of India mes of India, IndiaPANAJI: The South Goa Lok Sabha member Francisco Sardinha on Saturday said thathe has requested the centre for a special tourism package for Goa. He has also requested a new formula, other then the Gadgil formula, to reward the state for its ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/6-0fd=Rurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Goa/Sardinha-seeks-special-tourism-package-for-Goa/articleshow/4653788.cmscid=0ei=-oc1Squ_LaXmNef3_IMIusg=AFQjCNG1_KlRHnOnAdoX1TgiMhhJQRRvWw *** In search of the perfect Goan stew - Times of India mes of India, IndiaBefore the buffet system was introduced in Goa, food courses used to be served individually in plates. This was practised especially during Catholic marriages. The method of service was known as servico volante wherein soup, a fish dish, ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/5-0fd=Rurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Goa/In-search-of-the-perfect-Goan-stew/articleshow/4653824.cmscid=0ei=-oc1Squ_LaXmNef3_IMIusg=AFQjCNEjwoC2e2bEEkv-70-bmYs6n0_asw *** Freedom fighters protest Goan monuments in Portuguese 7 wonders list - Times of India mes of India, IndiaPANAJI: Freedom fighters in Goa have raised strong objectionsto the listing of the Basilica of Bom Jesus in Old Goa and Fortress of Diu among the seven wonders of Portuguese origin in the world. Goa Freedom Fighters Association (GFFA) spokesman ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/3-0fd=Rurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Cities/Freedom-fighters-protest-Goan-monuments-in-Portuguese-7-wonders-list/articleshow/4654604.cmscid=1260677850ei=-oc1Squ_LaXmNef3_IMIusg=AFQjCNGrjxg3LxMVjzY8byAq4u0eQpmk7w Compiled by Goanet News Service http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php
[Goanet] 5 years on, prostitution still alive in Baina in South Goa says NGO study.
- Do GOACAN a favour, circulate this email to your family members, relatives, neighbours and friends. Help others be better informed CONSUMERS - --- Documented by Goa Desc Resource Centre (GDRC) Email: goad...@bsnl.in -- -- 5 yrs on, prostitution still alive in Baina: Study -- In the post red light area demolition period, the age old business of prostitution may have become difficult in Baina, but it has not stopped entirely. A study conducted by ARZ, a Vasco-based non governmental organisation throws light upon post-demolition scenario in Baina, known for its high-risk red light area prior to its demolition on June 14, 2004. Then State government hastily demolished huts, rooms and cubicles in the red-light area without making proper arrangements for rehabilitation of the affected persons. The demolition was carried out by the Bharatiya Janata Party government following a High Court order, with the objective of putting a stop to prostitution in the area. The report by ARZ indicates that prostitution business in Baina continues even today due to a strong nexus between bar owners, pimps, brothel keepers and room owners. COMPENSATION: A major aberration, according to the NGO, is that the government is yet to give compensation to affected people. When contacted Dr Pramod Salgaocar, chairperson of Goa State Women’s Commission (GSWC) said, they have finalised to give compensation of Rs 1 lakh each to 10 persons. The commission was given the task to identify and settle the claims of rehabilitation. The delay was caused as there were disputes about actual number of affected people. But as rough estimates said around 500 persons were reported to have been affected, Dr Salgaocar said majority of the women have gone back (to the states they came from). Most of them working as commercial sex workers in Baina came largely came from Karnataka, Andhra Pradesh and Maharashtra. PICK-UPS: However , according to ARZ, lack of availability of accommodation (rooms) for such activities in Baina has compelled women often to go elsewhere with customers, mainly to lodges in Vasco. “Some of the organised networks of brothel-keepers have been destroyed. While this may be a good thing in the long run, the fact remains that no rehabilitation whatsoever was provided to the women, so they are forced to continue prostitution in conditions of heightened insecurity and risk.” says the report. According to its findings, 14 brothel-keepers are operating from Baina post-demolition — some brothel-keepers left the area after the demolition, taking the girls along with them so that they could run the business elsewhere. A few returned and continue to operate there, it says. Though the number of brothel-keepers in the area after the demolition dropped, the study team however found that those in business now engage in more vicious exploitation of the girls. The report also says that majority of the brothel-keepers have not taken on new girls after the demolition. Either the girls solicit or the pimps get the customers. Also the brothel-keepers and pimps do not allow the girls to exit from prostitution and opt for rehabilitation. FLY BY-NIGHT: Due to a drop in the business, brothel-keepers now prefer to send the girls out of Baina. The places where they are sent include Margao, Panjim, and other places in Goa and also outside the State such as Mysore, Chennai, etc. NO POLITICAL WILL: The report also stated that Goa lost an opportunity to curb the problem of trafficking in Goa after the High Court judgment in 2004 regarding Baina. “The State failed to act against the traffickers as directed by the court, as a result of which the perpetrators went scot-free.” The end result is, today, traffickers from Baina continue in business — in Baina and other parts of the State. The report lists names of eight pimps soliciting customers for the girls in Vasco with four soliciting points in the port town. PROTECTION: The brothel keepers who continue to operate in Goa are those who have relatives in Goa and have contacts with locals who provide them protection. Most of these brothel-keepers were assisted by these protectors to shift their business from Baina and set-up base in other parts of the State. DEALS ON PHONE: Their modus operandi is they have recruited new girls due to fear of identification by the police and local administration. Girls are made to stay in flats hired by the brothel keepers. They are then sent to hotels and lodges or to flats after negotiating deals telephonically. Though they are sent to different parts of Goa, South Goa remains their main
[Goanet] Selma Carvalho: Who the Bleep cares about Richard Burton?
Title: Who the Bleep cares about Richard Burton? By: Selma Carvalho Source: Goan Voice UK Date 14 June 2009 Full text: I've just come across Jerry Pinto's anthology, Reflected in Water (Penguin 2006). It's a wonderfully woven collection of Goa related stories spanning from Richard Burton's writings to those of more contemporary commentators on Goa such as Frederick Noronha. Richard Burton, the intrepid English explorer visited Goa circa 1846, while recovering from cholera and on sick leave from the services of Her Majesty's empire. Reading Pinto's well chosen extract from Burton's original manuscript, Goa and the Blue Mountains (1851), one could be forgiven for mistakenly presuming that Burton was some sort of admirer of Goa. The fact is Burton was a rascally scoundrel of a British explorer, more a product of his time than he himself would like to believe and yet in some ways, quite ahead of his time, a not uncommon dichotomy amongst those mortals who achieve immortality if only in our memory of them. I had read Burton's narrative some time ago. Any random page is full of Burtonesque ridicule of Goa, Goans and what he presumed to be a culture acquired through a process of mongrelisation which rendered Goan Christians inferior, as regards strength, courage and principle to the average of the tribes which populate that part of the world. He presumes upper-class, western attired Christian Goans to be bi-racial, when in fact only a miniscule portion of Goans were bi-racial. This was not an uncommon assumption by most of the western civilisation until the 20th century and perhaps persists even today. These mongrel Goans he feels are unmatched in their ugliness. Indeed, it would be difficult to find in Asia an uglier or more degraded looking race. Burton wrote at a time, when it was considered a badge of honour to be racist, to propagate the theory that the western civilisation was superior by virtue of character and intelligence. Words such as Muslim circumcised dog, half-naked sample of the Hindoo male animal, Christian wife-beaters, thieves and drunks find their place, page after page of vintage Burton. Burton's relentlessly uncharitable account of Goans did not dissuade him from including in his troupe, two Goan cooks as he set out on his second expedition into the interiors of Africa, some ten years later. Despite the vitriol spewed by him, he does leave us a fascinating early account of Shiroda, a small town lying to the southeast of Goa on the periphery of Ponda. It is a place of immense interest to me as I can trace my roots to this tiny town. My great-grandmother, Katarina Dias, moved from Shiroda to Nuvem, following the death of her husband, Caitan Piedade Cardoz. This was a rather bold and courageous decision for a young widow left with the custody of two boys and two girls. Shiroda, Burton describes as a distinctly Hindoo town. Houses, pagodas, tombs, tanks with lofty parapets and huge flights of steps, peepul trees and bazaars are massed together in chaotic confusion. No such things as streets, lanes or alleys exist. To Burton the town had little to recommend itself but for the several dwellings, possibly brothels, which housed nautch, dancing-girls. Could Shiroda, once a Bhoja dynasty seat of power, have succumbed to such ruin? This was the place, my ancestors ventured forth from. When did Christianity seep into my family tree? Was there nothing more than destitution awaiting them in Shiroda? According to Antonio Menezes, who is a lodehouse of Goan lore, Shiroda was once a temple town, with the temple devoted to Goddess Kamakshi taking pride of place. Within the vicinity of the temple, were families of a matriarchal lineage who rendered yeoman's service to Portuguese soldiers posted in the riverine or border villages from Guirdolim in the south to Chicalim lying to the north of the Salcete taluka. The result of this symbiotic relationship was the appearance of a mestizo child here and there not causing too much curiosity or inquiry amongst the inhabitants of Shiroda. Burton himself comments on the fairer of the nautch girls having had the advantage of a European progenitor, although this may not have been entirely accurate. My own great-grandmother was a tall woman, fair of face with green eyes. There was obviously no genetic mixing of races but the distinctively Caucasian features undoubtedly spoke of earlier bands of migrations from the north of India. Burton may have been a rude, English prig, who held natives with all the disdain of his colonial contemporaries, but he does at times unearth a kernel of truth about Goans and more than a bushel of honesty about British racism and prejudice. He should be read in exactly the spirit he intended to write. His brutality is uncomforting in a time of political correctness but revisiting him through a 21st century prism is ultimately doing him and Goans a disservice. Burton's book, Goa and the Blue Mountains (1851), is available on the
[Goanet] The Inquisition in Goa
Now that Sapna Shahani has stirred the soup on the Goan Inquisition, I like many others would like to know what the contents of the soup really are. Sapna I am sure will benefit from this too. I have read from time to time excerpts, posts, articles and short stories on the Inquistion in Goa. How much is true and how much fiction I do not know. I beg that someone like Dr. Teotonio de Souza the historian or Valmiki the expert researcher and writer or any one else who is up to it, writes a short series of articles about the Inquisition in Goa on Goanet like the Good Bye Goa we are currently reading. In case Dr Teo reacts by pointing out to the volumes he has written about it, I would say please Doctor, one more time with feeling. At the very least please point us to any credible historical account of it in a book that is easily available to readers to purchase. Thanks, Roland. -- Roland Francis http://roland-torontogoan.blogspot.com +1 (416) 453.3371
[Goanet] 2009 World Goa Day
WORLD GOA DAY To: All President's and Villagers of the Goan Overseas Village Associations of Canada. I wish to inform you all that the Goan Overseas Association, Toronto and the Alliance of Overseas Goan Village Associations of Canada along with our sister associations from around the World, will be celebrating WORLD GOA DAYon Saturday, August 15th, 2009 by hosting a PICNIC at Coronation Park, Oakville, Ontario, Canada. Lets showcase our rich and unique Goan culture and heritage. Request Villages to come up with unique ways to represent their Village. Be proud to be a Goan. . Come one - Come all! Proud Villages of Goa: Calangute, Parra, Moira, Curtorim, Loutolim, Raia, Navelim, Cortalim, Aldona, Siolim, Saligao, Mapuca, Panjim, Santa Cruz, Colva,Margao, Colvale, Condolim, Arpora, Tivim, Divar, Pilerne, Majorda ,Cansaulim , Pilerne, Carmona etc. We can assure that it will be a day of fun and entertainment.Your support will be our Goan success! We R Goans. Please forward this e-mail to all your family and friends and be a proud Goan. World Goa Day was a dream which became a reality on the 20th August 2000 when the first ever World Goa Day took place. Let's keep that dream alive For more details see website: www.goatoronto.com Best wishes to all Goans around the World Antonio Mascarenhas Chairman Alliance of Overseas Goan Village Associations of Canada.
Re: [Goanet] Is Indian Humility Virtuous or Despicable?
Hi Gabriel, How Lotlecar, Bamon, elitist of you to have made such a comment. Now it's a sin for Indians to wear chappals in foreign countries? Is it another sin to end up getting the sniffles coughs and flu? And to top it all, Goans straight from Goa do not have dress sense? What is it we are talking about senhor. Coat-tails, black tie, tuxedo and cummerbund. Or perhaps the thread-bare cream colored suits with sola hats and umbrellas so favored by the petty Goan bureaucrat, doutor, or similar minor Goan functionary in Portuguese pre-1961 Goa. Regards from a non-elitist, chappal wearing, bidi-smoking, feni drinking, Bardezcar Goan. Roland. On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 8:13 AM, Gabriel de Figueiredogdefigueir...@yahoo.com.au wrote: I disagree with you on that score. Today's Goans coming straight from Goa, still don't have dress sense. e.g. walking about in slippers (chappals) in the height of winter when temps drop down to 5C and below, and not covering themselves adequately for these climes, ending up with sniffles, coughs and flu.
Re: [Goanet] Tunch mhoji Vokol, tunch mhoji bhail
Fr.joe goa uk ??? Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone Essar From: JoeGoaUk Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 20:43:51 + (GMT) To: goa...@goanet.org Tunch Mhoji Vokol, tunch mhoji bhail Oi, hanvenui sacrament zoddla Hanvenui Altara mukar bhas dilea Hanvenui Deva samkara koblat kelia
[Goanet] Extortionate fees
Mogall Goanetter-ano MR Tony D'Sa boroita: Schools in Goa are governed by the School Education Act and Rules. The Act and Rules explicitly state that schools shall not charge fees beyond those which are prescribed in the Rules. In spite of this there are schools in North Goa which are charging extortionate fees which are beyond the scope of the School Education Act and Rules. Hanv mhunnta, kiteak Mr Tony D'Sa is pulling down pants of ishkholl and all? ... Arre mhaka tea Mr. D'Sa-ak vicharunk zai ki IF ishkholl did not charge fees of all kinds from ishtudents in order to meet expenses not covered by the maintenance grant of the government ki bab how they will survive? Mr D'Sa makes unsubstantiated allegations to tarnish the fair name of all the ishkhols in Goa (except village ishkolls). Kiteak baba ancheam ishkhollanchim nanvam piddear korrunk sodhta? Why spoiling name of ishkhols of Goa which are heroically contributing yeoman service to our backward society, and uplifting the downtrodden in ways hitherto thought unthinkable? Mogall Goaanetter-ano tumi fudem sorron Mr Tony D'Sa -bab-ak vincharunk-zai ki hem litem baba kortai tem. Or else provide evidence to back his allegations. Amchea ishkhollannim amkam voir kadd'le; ho MrTony D'sa kiteak tancheo ched'dio devounk sodhta? Tumcho Augusto -- Augusto Pinto 40, Novo Portugal, Moira, Bardez, Goa, India E pinto...@gmail.com or ypinto...@yahoo.co.in P 0832-2470336 M 9881126350
[Goanet] News in pictures
Weather pictures in this Photo Gallery http://news.bbc.co.uk/weather/hi/gallery In pictures: Plight of Pakistan's displaced http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/8095947.stm In pictures: Crash dead back in Brazil http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_pictures/8092354.stm Olga Maciel _ MSN straight to your mobile - news, entertainment, videos and more. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/147991039/direct/01/
Re: [Goanet] Musequality wishing you the best of luck for the world record attempt
Friends of Goa ! I share a message recieved from David Juritz , the Founder of Musequality - please support Musequlaity in any way you can. Thank you for your time. rene From: David Juritz b...@musequality.org To: goan...@yahoo.co.uk Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2009 9:06:40 PM Subject: Musequality wishing you the best of luck for the world record attempt Dear Rene We are absolutely thrilled that you are busking to raise money and awareness for Musequality as part of our world record attempt tomorrow. So far World Busk week has been unbelievable and we’re amazed that so many wonderful people are joining in. We hope you have a fantastic time too, and want to wish you the best of luck for your busk. Remember to start busking a little before 12 noon, your time, and finish a little later than 12.25 to make sure that you really have busked for the full 25 minutes we’re aiming at to set our world record. Also remember to take a friend with you to act as a witness for your busk and ask them to fill in the witness statement (http://www.worldbusk.org/downloads/witnessstatement.pdf). Once your busk is over you can send the statement to us either by email or post. Make sure you take lots of photos, and even videos if you can, to use as proof of your busk to send to us and so that you have a record of what will be a really brilliant event. Some of our buskers have already sent in videos which you can see at www.youtube.com/musequality. Or check out the photos at www.flickr.com/groups/worldbusk. We’d love to see your videos and photos up there, too. We will be in touch on Sunday evening with information on how to submit the money you have raised from busking to Musequality. Once again, good luck from all of the Musequality team! Your busk is helping to support communal music projects for disadvantaged children in the developing world and will enable Musequality to continue funding it’s latest project in Goa, India and set up new projects. Best wishes, David David Juritz Founder Musequality b...@musequality.org Funding music projects that change young lives Find out more about the Musequality World Busk: www.worldbusk.org Find out more about Musequality: www.musequality.org Join us on Facebook: search for Musequality World Busk Follow us on Twitter: www.twitter.com/musequality Add us on MySpace: www.myspace.com/worldbusk Subscribe on YouTube: www.youtube.com/musequality To donate in the UK: www.justgiving.com/worldbusk To donate in the USA: www.fracturedatlas.org/site/contribute/donate (look for Musequality in the In Behalf box) Registered charity No. 1119308 Registered as a company limited by guarantee in England Wales No. 6216146
Re: [Goanet] Why can?t we celebrate OLA ...... ?
Dear friends, My friend Mr Valmiki Faleiro (Message no. 5 GD 583) has no time to spare for idle semantics. This is entirely understandable because each one of us has his/her own priorities and compulsions. But I feel that it is incumbent upon us to properly utilize the little time we can spare. Unfortunately, I find that Mr Faleiro has squandered it on kashtis, beards and mentors i.e. on matters entirely irrelevant to the topic under discussion. Perhaps he had nothing worthwhile to say of relevance. True, my long-drawn post contained very little that I had not said before. But that was because neither did his piece contain anything new; he had repeated what many others had said before him. I just assumed that he was not aware of what I had written earlier on the same points. But he did say some things which were new. To the best of my recollection, no one had urged parents to encourage their children to master the Devanagari script while, at the same time, complaining that school-children were being forced to write Konkani in Devanagari. I wish he had spared some time to explain this apparent contradiction. He claims that his writing on the subject was never about the OLA (Goa's Official Language Act), but about the crass injustice to users of Konkani in Romi script, of them being practically treated as second class citizens. Now, this is new. All this time such assumed injustice was claimed to be arising from the OLA; he now claims that it is irrespective of it. But, like those before him, he does not produce any evidence, concrete or circumstantial, to back his claim. With a view to understand his mind, I had asked him pointed questions which he replied in the negative, thus proving that there is no such injustice. So, the question remains, where is this crass injustice. Would someone elaborate on this point with instances, real or perceived? Then he goes on to allude to supposed attempts of some fictitious mentors of mine; I consider this an uncalled-for insult. I assure him that I am well past the age of mentoring; that I have the requisite training and intelligence to observe, read and analyse data before putting my views on paper. I know no mentor and whatever I write is my own work and responsibility. But, looking at the way he ties his arguments in knots, he would be advised to retain a mentor or two. He says that I wore a kashti (loincloth) until 1510. Looks like there is a typographical error here, since I was not around in 1510. But I did wear one until 1958 when, at the age of 16, I finished school in Goa and went to Bombay for collegiate studies. In those years I wore a kashti 24 hours a day; it was my regular wear and also underwear when, while going out, I was dressed in half pants. I see no reason why that useful and economical garment should be despised thus. And, if he must know, I do not wear my trousers over my beard! He begins his post by saying this will be my last post on the subject. He is thus emulating the originator of the script controversy. In Konkani there is a saying which roughly translates as standing in waist-deep water and yet claiming one's 'kashti' to be dry. And this is exactly what he has done. Sotachench zoit zatolem. Mog asum. Sebastian Borges Explore and discover exciting holidays and getaways with Yahoo! India Travel http://in.travel.yahoo.com/
[Goanet] TODAY'S MUMBAI PUBLICATION Midday story
ALL READERS, PLEASE GO THROUGH THIS STORY SINCE IT IS VERY INSULTING FOR THE ENTIRE CHRISTIAN COMMUNITY.WHAT A SHAME? XHI BABA KRISTANVANCHEM NANV VOGDDAVN SODDLEM.. AURELIO VIEGAS The nun who bravely took on the Church By: Aastha Atray Banan Date: 2009-06-13 Place:Mumbai Former nun Sister Jesme talks to Aastha Atray Banan about her controversial autobiography Amen, in which she speaks out about sexual abuse in a convent Sister Jesme, the author of Amen: The Autobiography of a Nun, insists the Church asked for trouble through their repeated efforts to have her declared insane. Jesme, who started her religious training in June 1974 taught at two Catholic colleges in Thrissur she was vice-principal at one and principal at another, for three years each. She left the Congregation of Mother of Carmel in August 2008, after applying for voluntary retirement from service in the college. This book, which she says she chose to write as people around me have the right to know what happens inside the prison-like enclosures in their very midst, was first published in Malayalam, but Jesme wanted it to be released in English. Although foreign and Indian TV news channels and papers chased her for the story, she chose to pen her autobiography. The book, which is a shocking expose of what goes on behind the four walls of a convent, talks of nuns who come from underprivileged backgrounds being treated as menial labourers, of the church trying to keep the SC/ST seats for anyone who can afford to pay for them, and of rampant same sex and opposite sex relations between nuns and priests. The author, who alleges that she was molested by a fellow nun, now lives a life of peace in a hamlet three hours from Calicut as a law-abiding citizen. This book had to be written not only to prove that I was sane, but it's also a plea for the reformation of the church, she says in an interview over the phone. You had been noticing the goings-on of the Church since the time you joined the convent. How did you keep the faith? I am different from other nuns I am not being boastful, but I was born with many talents, so I rose above all of it. Also, suffering made me a better person. I have suffered so much that now I have a doctorate in it (chuckles). I can stand up against anything. You speak of class distinctions between the poorer nuns and the richer ones. Which side were you on? I always helped the poorer nuns, and I was reprimanded for that. Soon, they gave up on me because they used to see me sitting in the kitchens with the nuns who were told to work there. But when I was told not to mingle with them, I decided to do it even more. You write of being sexually molested by a fellow nun, and in one instance, by a priest. How did you cope? I was very innocent, being only 17 when I joined the convent. At the church, we were told to not even touch each other. The nun who molested me had 'played' with other sisters as well. I finally rebelled and told the administration that they either had to transfer her or me to another convent. She was finally sent away, and all this made me stronger in my resolve. My God helped me. But all this is very common, as I have mentioned in my book. Young sisters have sex with people outside the church as well, as only when they address their sexual side, can they bear to stay at the convent. You say that the seats reserved for SC/ST are tampered with to keep those for the management. Why is this done? Because they can be sold to make money. These seats are later sold to the ministers and other moneyed people. Do you ever meet other nuns like you who want to speak out? Yes, I get calls every day from nuns who are suffering and wish to speak out. One nun called me the other day and told me that a priest has eloped with a girl and even taken money from the church. They tell me that they don't have the guts to speak out, so they hope I will speak on their behalf. They have trust in my ability to speak the truth, and I won't disappoint them. Extract 1 from Amen: The Autobiography of a Nun Reaching Bangalore station, I get off the train and see the priest impatiently waiting for me. After breakfast, despite my reluctance, he takes me to Lalbagh. He has a hidden agenda in taking me there, I soon realise. Pointing to each couple beneath the trees, he holds forth on the need for physical love. Then he tells me of cases of priests and bishops who have illicit relationships with women. Later, I am taken to his room for coffee prepared by him. he comes and embraces me hard, almost suffocating me. When I struggle to escape his clutches, he squeezes my breasts and asks me to show them to him. Refusing him angrily, I get up to leave, but he forces me to sit down, asking: Have you seen a man? In no time, he undresses himself. Now I am curious enough to watch! I have read in novels about this, but never seen one with my own
[Goanet] Fw: Re: Comment about Bom Jesus Basilica among 7 wonders of Portuguese origin
--- On Sat, 6/13/09, eric pinto ericpin...@yahoo.com wrote: From: eric pinto ericpin...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Goanet] Comment about Bom Jesus Basilica among 7 wonders of Portuguese origin To: estb. 1994!Goa's premiere mailing list goanet@lists.goanet.org Date: Saturday, June 13, 2009, 5:09 AM My own Sir-Swat ancestors arrived with Persian pullao, to charm afro-mahars into a land swap, fifteen hundred years ago. Cruelty was never in the picture: that Pashtun zaffran lamb worked wonders ! In Swatland, today, the picture is not so pretty for the indo-pak occupiers whose delusions take in Pashtu land from Peshawar to Azad Kashmir. eric --- On Sat, 6/13/09, Joe Lobo tw...@pathcom.com wrote: Sapna, As a goan who has spent more time outside Goa, I personally feel that this historical quest of yours is an attempt to stir up events that happened a good 400 years ago or so. which will engender communal discord between the Hindu and Christian communities. Sapna Shahani wrote: As a non-Goan who's lived here on and off for 20 years, I'm very curious about Goa's history with the Inquisition. How is it that the gory history of Goa's past remains virtually unknown by outsiders or tourists? The Basilica of Bom Jesus is a beautiful building but I find it odd that visitors don't know what cruelties once took place in the vicinity of the Basilica. Would love to hear the thoughts of people on this list... Best, Sapna.
[Goanet] An open letter to the one and only voice of truth and reason on GoaNet
Dear Mario, I acknowledge that you are indeed the one and only voice of truth and reason that has been, is and will be on GoaNet. (let me try get a tall glass of Caju Feni - which I hate - to get myself to believe that garbage) BTW: I mean that in a complimentary way, of course:-)) I repeat what I wrote earlier i.e. (Sapna) is in a class by him/herself - but that he/she should not be surprised at the support he/she will get from the saffron haters of Catholics in Goa and elsewhere. i.e. an individual who wants to have an intellectual discussion based on Rough Guides. I am sure (however) that he/she will do the following (IF he/she has the time, of course) a: Advise us of his/her basis to have an intellectual discussion with the intellectuals on GoaNet; Quite contrary to Mario's assertion and perhaps what this Sapna (dream) and other Bhaille believe, the term Goan intellectual is NOT an oxymoron. b: Advise us WHO he/she really is, and where he/she suddenly sprung up from. Most of us here know basically who the other person is or is not. Perhaps, he/she will identify ONE Goan who can confirm who he/she is. After all, he/she has been (allegedly) visiting Goa for the past 20 years AND would have invited me to his/her house (obviously in Goa) to confirm that he/she is an Anglo-Indian; so somebody must know him/her. Would you not say so? Please do not tell me that he/she is a mere Sapna whom you, Mario know personally. c: I commend to you the following thoughts: (1) When one lives in a multi-ethnic and multi-faith community - which is basically at peace with itself (understanding that ALL of its forebears, be they Hindu, Muslim, Christian, Jew or other, have generally done uncivilised and cruel things to others of their own or other faiths), one tries NOT to disturb that peace. (2) Discussions about the past mistakes are important. BUT, for them to be both relevant, progressive and fair, they ALL have to be held in context, NOT in isolation. That is why I say . Place ALL the dirty laundry on the table and come up with a composite understanding. (3) Discussing ONLY a segment of the ills (albeit for political or monetary advantage) is what gets us into unnecessary wars, mistrust, deaths, destruction and chaos. I take it that You, Mario - as the ONLY voice of reason, sense, knowledge etc on GoaNet - have followed recent history and understand (Your unsubstantiated and contra-lateral justifications having been noted) good wishes jc == Mario wrote thus: Sapna, I think you may be finding out that, at least on this topic, Goan Intellectual is a contradiction in terms:-)) Irritated, paranoid Christians is more like it:-)) Just kidding, JC, but you are hardly distinguishing yourself with the uncharacteristic and unsubstantiated comments like the one above, unless you know Sapna personally well enough to know she is in a class by herself. BTW, I consider you to be in a class by yourself, in a complimentary way, of course:-))
[Goanet] Gulf Non-Resident Goans and Goa's Migrants
My fair views on Goa’s migrants are deliberately distorted , misquoted, by few individuals for vested interests. See following facts on Gulf Non Resident Goans (NRG’s) Goa’s Migrants: (1) Gulf NRG’s are “only temporary migrants and not permanent” i.e. (A) No political/voting rights to influence local identities and we work on time bound job permits; renewable subject to local requirements. (B) Land in some countries e.g. UAE, can only be bought on fixed year leases i.e. non-locals can’t permanently own land. (C) Some critics whilst looking at the “comfort factor” of Gulf NRG’s should also try to understand the huge sacrifices hardships faced by many, Gulf NRG’s. (2) Gulf NRG’s unfortunately left Goa; mostly due to no opportunities at sustainable pay scales. Root cause is the corrupt government no public pressure to address the same. (3) Yes, Goa need reasonable amount of migrants but then we also need a fair just migrant control policy; subject to requirement. It should include decent but temporary housing facilities fair health/welfare/other benefits; these suggestions will treat respect migrants much better, than being done today. (4) It is common knowledge that un-necessary destructive development; like the mega-projects are significantly increasing un-necessary migrants into Goa. Surely stopping of the mega-projects will significantly restrict migrants into Goa. Also many MLA’s facilitate slums for vote banks; addressing of which, will also restrict migrants. (5) Many NRG’s target specific issues affecting Goa’s Identity i.e. Mega-projects, uncontrolled migrant influx, Konkani, Goan employment, Corruption, etc; which are also opposed by Goans in Goa; “If Gulf NRG’s support the same, does it make these serious issues a non-issue just because it is being addressed by an NRG?” Also, most NRG’s have strong Goa links i.e. Families, homes, businesses etc and could return; so they must speak out act for Goa now!! Arwin Mesquita, UAE. -- Please post your comments on my Blog: http://goanidentity.blogspot.com/ Please also see below: 1. Benaulim Village Action Committee: http://www.bvacbenaulim.blogspot.com/ 2. Rape of Goa : http://www.parrikar.com/blog/therapeofgoa/therapeofgoa.html 3. Rape of Chicalim : http://rapeofchicalim.wordpress.com/ 4. Boycott Cidade de Goa : http://boycotthotelcidadedegoa.blogspot.com/ 5. MAND - an adivasi-rights resource centre : http://mandgoa.blogspot.com/
Re: [Goanet] Is Indian Humility Virtuous or Despicable?
From: Roland Francis roland.fran...@gmail.com Of course Gabriel, you will want that Goans will be exempt from such an orientation requirement since we do not need to be told how to conduct ourselves and I would totally agree :-)) Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 05:13:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Gabriel de Figueiredo gdefigueir...@yahoo.com.au I disagree with you on that score. Today's Goans coming straight from Goa, still don't have dress sense. e.g. walking about in slippers (chappals) in the height of winter when temps drop down to 5C and below, and not covering themselves adequately for these climes, ending up with sniffles, coughs and flu. Mario adds: You can take a Goan out of Goa, but you cannot take Goa out of some Goans:-)) BTW, what has happened to Ruby Goes? I would like to hear her views about whether Australia is racist and allowing Indian students to be attacked.
