[Goanet] AG SHOULD RENDER LEGAL AND NOT POLITICAL ADVICE

[Aires Rodrigues]

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Goa may have the nation’s highest paid Advocate General but the quality of
legal advice being tendered to the Government is a big question.



With most of the government decisions being quashed and set aside by the
Courts it does not augur well for a government that claims to be Aam Aadmi
oriented.



As the Advocate General gets paid Rs 8000/- every time he stands up in the
High Court one wonders whether the legal advice given to the state has a
motive,  because  if people do not queue up at the High Court with their
petitions the Advocate General has nothing to gain.



An Advocate General should be giving the government legal and not political
advice. But having on August 4th 2008 accompanied Chief Minister Digambar
Kamat to the residence of Mr. Dayanand Narvekar to seek the then Law
Minister’s resignation, Mr. Subodh Kantak did what  no Advocate General has
ever done or should dare do.



Aires Rodrigues

Ribandar

[Goanet] Girann (eclipse)

[Cajetan Alvares]

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Sangath is looking to build a centre for services, training and research
   and is looking to buy land of approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs
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 Yes, even Wikipedia would have been alright, given the current state of
intellectual laziness.Cheers,Santosh
---
Thanks a bunch,
Now I know that Googleing all day and Wikipediaing all night makes jack a
clever dick.
I always wondered where you got all this superior knowledge from.
Caj.

[Goanet] Provedoria Lottery for Re.1

[JoeGoaUk]

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Sangath is looking to build a centre for services, training and research
   and is looking to buy land of approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs
   betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas

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Provedoria Lottery for Re.1
 
I remember, in 1970s, sortikar were selling the Provedoria Lotteries @ Re.1 per 
ticket.
At Margao bus stand, they used to shout thus - 
Sort-a-bett.Sort-a-bett (may be they got it or shorten it from  'Sorti 
abelltur' (Lottery draw).
If the lottery draw was on next day then..
Faleam-abett, faleam-abett (faleam abeddtur)
Kadd bai, Kadd baba, 
tuc' lagtoli bai
Tuc' jerul lagtoli baba 
Ekuch urlia bai/baba (meaning, only one left- a sheet of 5).
 
What was the top prize?
 
As a winner, you could either take home Rs.20,000
 
or this spacious beauty
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk20/3747792712/sizes/l/
 
Later on, I remember, Provedoria also introduced Mini Lotteries priced at 50p
Top prize being Rs.10,000.

 
I think Provodoria lottery was started during Portuguese time and is one of the 
oldest state lotteries in India.
 
When other bigger prize money lotteries were introduced from Sikkim, Megalaya 
like Mahalaxmi, Dhanlaxmi etc, I think the oldest Provedoria Lotteries lost its 
popularity as the  punters, with the same ticket price, could buy the other 
states lotteries with chances of winning upto one lakh.
 
The money that was earned by the Provedoria, I think was used to run 
various charity institutions  like PAP, Alberique/Alber (old age homes etc)
 
Don't know if Goa Govt. still runs State lottery now.
 
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[Goanet] Fr. Cedric Prakash

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If you have land to sell, please contact:

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 Mario Goveia < mgoveia at
sbcglobal.net>
wrote:>
* *>* If Fr. Prakash wants to become a politician he should* *resign from
the priesthood.  You cannot honestly serve* *both God and Caesar, ...er,
Shivaji, at the same time.*
**
Hi Goans,
Its nice to see that there are Goans of simple minds on Goanet.
Govt ministers, (MINISTERS . get it!!!)
Well! Priests were Ministers and still are (administering to the people)
long before Democracy came into existence and Govt Ministers took over from
the Priests.
People paid 10% to the Priests (ministers) now a days we pay 20% to 30% to
the Govt ministers.

1, Why can't priests have a say in the running of the country if they see
that the country is badly run?
God and Caesar is out of context here (God and Caesar question was put to
Jesus on matter of paying this Tax - if 10% goes to the church why should we
pay Tax to Caesar as well - the answer was simple - that which has Caesar's
head on it (the coins) give it to Caesar, Jesus said.)

2. Where does Shivaji come into this I don't know. Shivaji did not have
Ministers in his Cabinet.
Caj.

Re: [Goanet] Girann (eclipse)

[Gabriel de Figueiredo]

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I am not superstitious, but curiously enough ...

my wife was pregnant with our son in 1983.  There was a solar eclipse in London 
then, and for a reason of emergency (we had an unexpected guest), she had to 
chop vegetables on the day.  My son has a deep cleft on the top of his left 
ear ... 



- Original Message 
From: JoeGoaUk 
To: goa...@goanet.org
Cc: goan-...@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 21 July, 2009 5:40:49 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Girann (eclipse)

Girann (eclipse)
 
Pregnant women were very cautious on the day.  They would stay indoors lying in 
the bed whole day.  Miscarriages also common on this day? (i remember at least 
two).
Under no circumstances, they would enter kitchen to handle sharp items like 
knives or de-fishing/de-scalling/cutting ‘adolli’
What’s adolli?



  

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[Goanet] ALEXYZ Daily Cartoon (23Jul09)

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Re: [Goanet] Girann (eclipse)

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   and is looking to buy land of approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs
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Frederick Noronha wrote:
 > Why are we afraid of "old ideas"? Not everything old is necessarily bad, not 
everything new is necessarily good.
>  We need to respectfully restudy old ideas, see which ones make sense, adopt 
>those and build on them.
> The idea that the planets are linked to impacts on the weather (specially the 
> monsoons) and influence the largely 
> made-of-water human body might not be such a bizarre idea, even if sometimes 
> these ideas get stretched to illogical levels.
> What say? 


FN, 
The weather on planet earth is determined by the heating of the oceans at the 
equatorial regions. Barometric pressure and 
winds are other factors that determine the weather. Every twelve year old child 
should know this. Those who still want to 
believe that the rains and weather are dictated by the whims of the Gods, are 
the people who will be trampled to death by 
others who have the scientific info.

Hurricane Katrina is a prime example. God did not send it to the USA to kill 
the people there. The birth, adolescence, maturity
and path of the storm was accurately tracked, recorded and reported. Those who 
understood science took the necessary steps
to protect themselves. Those who did not understand, did not protect 
themselves, and as a result, mother nature removed
them from the gene system. 

As for the "made-of-water" comment, I find that bizarre. I was told as a child 
that I was made of dust :-)

Mervyn1650Lobo


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[Goanet] Re-Perspective on Migrants in Goa

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We the Goan migrants in UAE (as many would like to say) have to go back
one day to where we were brought up unless we decide otherwise.  We are
a touch too emotional about Goa hence the decision to go back to Goa
even though we have ample of opportunities to migrate elsewhere. 

Mario responds:

I'm glad you agree that you are no different than the migrants in Goa.

Blasio's reply  :  That's the way you think. You chose to extract the
meaning out of a phrase rather than taking the whole sentence into
consideration. Suit yourself.

Blasio wrote:

Opinions of Pseudo Americans / Australians / British / Canadians holding
PIO or OCI cards may and will differ but at the end of the day, it
doesn't mean anything to the people who try and will fight in preserving
what is left of our little Goa.

Mario responds:

You previously said that you Gulfees would return to Goa "unless we
decide otherwise."  Perhaps you will also "fight in preserving what is
left of our little Goa" when it suits you, "unless we decide otherwise".

Doesn't this make you "pseudo-Goans" who will do whatever suits you when
the time comes.  

Blasio's reply : The time has come and we are doing what suits us Goans
(not pseudo Goans for your info.).. does any pseudo has a problem ? too
bad..

Blasio wrote:

People can bisect and dissect the emails but that does not change our
thought process. I may have ruffled a few feathers here.. but who the
bleep cares.. 

Mario responds:

Based on this thread, the only feathers that seem to be ruffled are
yours and Arwins:-))

Blasio's reply :  yeah.. Feathers are ruffled by the happenings in Goa..
but who the bleep cares about people opinions across the Atlantic.
Better they enjoy the occasional sunshine in their migrated land.

Re: [Goanet] G'Bye Goa: Goan Emigration

[J. Colaco < jc>]

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Valmiki responded to Eugene Correia thus:


[1]  "Pakles," in comparison, were decent. Worse than the worst
Muslims like Mallik Kafur and Ghazni Mohammed, were the marauding
troops of Sambhaji.

[2]  When Sambhaji's troops overran Salcete from the southern
fortification of Cuncolim in Dec-1683, despite paying for peace, women
had to dive in rivulets and the Sal to hide, neck-deep in water, to
save their honour.

[3]  On the eve of Christmas day that year... women who emerged to
flee to Rachol were attacked. Many were stripped of their honour and
possessions.

[4]  Those who tried to defend themselves were speared to death or had
their limbs severed. Such was the barbarity that many women preferred
to jump into wells.

[5]  Only the Mongols might match the Marathas under Sambhaji when it
came to barbarity against women.

[6] And our own Shashikala Kakodkar, in the mid-1970s, wanted to
change the name of Vasco da Gama (the place, not the man!) to
Sambhaji Nagar.


=== jc's response ===


Ah Valmiki,

What AVC knows - was probably never known to Eugene.

re # [6] above (sometime around 1970) ...The Bandodkar Govt actually
effected the change of  name from Vasco da Gama to Sambhajinagar.
There was a big Yellow Board with Black Lettering just outside the
railway station stating SAMBHAJINAGAR. This was way before Tai
(Shashikala) occupied the kodel. IGoa was an Union Territory then and
the Centre did not approve the change.

Then (in 1997-98)  came the famous tamasha engineered (knowingly or
otherwise) among others by Teotonio de Souza whose book on Vasco da
Gama was side-stepped by the Discoveries Commission, Portugal (and
Prof Sanjay Subramaniam's book accepted) and Prabhakar Sinari ...that
brought the Vasco da Gama name again to the fore.

In 2002 (I believe) the BJP/MGP ally i.e. Shiv Sena had promised to
change the name back to Sambhajinagar. was it Haldankar who promised
but lost his deposit?

just for the record so that journos or those who claim to be
journos  and others may know.

jc

[Goanet] Flat for sale in Margao - Goa

[Cecil Pinto]

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Borgee Costa wrote:

2 BHK Flat is urgently for sale., Only for GOANS.
Location : Behind Cine Vishant - Margao

Price : 18.5 lakhs

If interested pls mail me. I have taken 2 days time from the owner to
sell the flat.



-

Dear Borgee,

Just out of curiosity.

1) If no Goan comes forward to buy the flat for Rs. 18.5 lakhs will
you sell it to a non-Goan who can pay that figure?

2) If right now a non-Goan offers you Rs. 22 lakhs for the flat will
you sell it to him. Honest now.

3) Why exactly do you want to sell only to a Goan?

4) What if a Goan buys it today and sells it to tomrrow to a non-Goan?

5) Would you sell to a non-Goan who has an ethnic Goan as a spouse?

6) After 2 days if nobody can pay 18.5 lakhs will you lower the price
and also open it up to non-Goans?

7) Is the current owner a Goan? Where did he make his money? I have a
Goan buyer who wants to buy a flat only from a Goan who has made his
money in Goa.

Cheers!

Cecil

[Goanet] WORLD'S OLDEST MAN DIES AGED 113

[Domnic Fernandes]

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WORLD'S OLDEST MAN DIES AGED 113


Henry Allingham, the world's oldest man and oldest World War I veteran, died on 
last 
Saturday, July 18, 2009 at the age of 113.

Allingham, who in 2008 led the country in marking the 90th anniversary of the 
World 
War I armistice, put his longevity down to "cigarettes, whisky and wild women."

He had become the world's oldest man on June 17, Guinness World Records 
confirmed, 
when the previous holder, Tomoji Tanabe of Japan died aged 113.

Allingham had marked his 113th birthday on June 6.  He was very active right up 
to 
his final days.  He lived in three different centuries and saw six British 
monarchs 
on the throne.

Events he lived through included the death of Queen Victoria in 1901, the 
sinking of 
the Titanic in 1912, the invention of television by John Logie Baird in the 
1920s 
and the Wall Street crash of 1929.

A mechanic in the Royal Naval Air Service, he took part in the naval Battle of 
Jutland in 1916 and was one of the founding members of the Royal Air Force, 
which 
was formed in 1918.

Allingham had five grandchildren and 12 great-grandchildren, 14 great-great 
grandchildren and one great-great great grandchild.

Dorothy Allingham, his wife of 51 years, died in 1970, a decade after he had 
retired.  In civilian life, he worked for carmaker Ford.

During my childhood most of our relatives and neighbors died in their Eighties 
and 
Nineties and some even completed centuries.

But that is not the case now.  Life today is cut short due to worries and heavy 
stress - stress to earn a living, stress to educate children, stress to compete 
with 
others, stress to amass wealth, etc.  Although we pray everyday: 'Give us this 
day 
our daily bread' but what we aspire is not daily bread but wealth for 
generations.

Under such circumstances, if one completes half a century, it is a big 
achievement. 
If one steps into the Sixties, that's a big bonus.  Getting into the Seventies 
is a 
milestone, and living in the Eighties and Nineties is longevity luxury.

Henry's longevity takes me back to the beginning of the mankind - Adam, who 
died at 
the age of 930 as illuminated to us in the Holy Book.

The following members of Adam's family also lived a long life as indicated in 
years 
against each name:


Set died at the age of 912.

Enosh died at the age of 905.

Kenan died at the age of 910.

Mahalalel died at the age of 895

Jared died at the age of 962

Enok died at the age of 365

Methusala died at the age of 969

Lamek died at the age of 777


When Noah was 500 years old, he gave birth to Shem, Ham and Jafet.

After that, many daughters were born and the population on earth kept on 
increasing. 
Males got attracted towards beautiful females and they liked and got married to 
them.

Then the Almighty Lord said:  "Now, I will not give long life to man; he has to 
die 
one day.  From now on, man will not live beyond 120 years."

Is that why we don't come across people living beyond 120 years?


Moi-mogan,

Domnic Fernandes
Anjuna, Goa
Mob: 9420979201 

Re: [Goanet] Music from the Goan world ... rendered in style on the piano

[Aloysius D'Souza]

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Thanks Fred,

I would love to have a copy of each of the two volumes  --  I should be in Goa 
end 
of this week or early next week  --  where can I pick up the copies

Cheers

Aloysius


On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 10:36 PM, Frederick "FN" Noronha wrote:


  Here's wishing Goanetter Francis Rodrigues all the best:

  Mollbailo Dou
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHtdqmIskF8&feature=related

[Goanet] Goa Konkani Academy

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Goa Konkani Academy
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[Goanet] Beautiful People

[LISETTE SALDANHA]

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I just watched Wendell Rodrick's "beautiful people" interview on you tube. 
I was so moved and just wanted to give him a big hug. 
Kevin and myself feel so at home with Wendell...he is truly a beautiful person.
My wish is that the world should  embrace the beauty of humanity, no matter how 
diverse. 
Diversity is the fabric of our make-up and truly lends itself to beauty.
We are but the same essentially all earnestly seeking that emotional state 
of well-being. 
Unfortunately like it or not, it is often affected by those around us publicly, 
or privately.
I wish my dear friend Wendell, success and happiness always.
Lisette Saldanha

Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wGwMEkRm7k , 



Part 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOTB1E86YhI&feature=channel



Part 3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9TarJgNbUs&feature=channel



Part 4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx5XdWRpbfA&feature=channel



If the world seems cold to you, kindle fire to warm it.
- Lucy Larcom, hymnist
 

[Goanet] Girann (eclipse)

[Cajetan Alvares]

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If you have land to sell, please contact:

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FN wrote:
Farmers in Goa also have some belief about the new and full-mooninfluencing
the planting cycles.
--
Well,
No matter what the likes of Santosh says, the moon does have effect on
mankind like it or not, believe it or not.
Yes, it is true about planting according to the phases of the moon, they
adopt this method even in the UK.
Secondly, if one breaks a branch of a tree or cuts it, you will find the
texture different, the tree is strongest at full moon.
Last of all has any one notice that our hair and nails grow faster in the
summer? People in India may not notice it that much.
Caj.

Re: [Goanet] Best way to protect migrant labor kids from snakes

[Gabe Menezes]

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2

>   Gabe
> Menezes should know, as he attempted to gift me a solution. Rahul (the
> same person mentioned above) pointed out that good ole rat traps work
> best in good ole Goa. After all, he should know, as he does need the
> occasional rat for his pet snake.
>
> How's this for an instant treatise? Would you offer me a
> left-of-centre cyberPhD for these few callous lines? FN
>
> RESPONSE:

My Dear, dear Fredrico,

I did not attempt - I actually delivered, I presume it did not work. It was
an electronic sound emiting unit which output a high decible sound only
audible to mice which made them uncomfortable!

I have one in my house in Goa and it works it that area, although I must
admit there are still visiting rats in the night.

I have taken some back break traps to Goa and I have managed to catch just
one big un!

I must inform you though that even our biggest back break traps are no match
for the 'Kolle Undir' in the garden - they simply wriggle out - injured as
they are.

In Nairobi, we had back break traps made out of steel with serrated edges,
on the base. My father took some back with him to Goa - they were so
effective that, one by one they disappeared!

So when is the Goanetter's meeting this year? Hope to make it!!


DEV BOREM KORUM.

Gabe Menezes.
London.

[Goanet] Goa news for July 23, 2009

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*** Sesa Goa raises Rs 537 cr via share sale - Business
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Re: [Goanet] Girann (eclipse)

[Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक न ोरोन्या]

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Sangath, www.sangath.com, is one of Goa's leading NGOs.

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   and is looking to buy land of approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs
   betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas

If you have land to sell, please contact:

contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or phone +91-9881499458


http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html


An article on traditional wisdom (superstition?) and the rains...
http://www.indiaenvironmentportal.org.in/node/2982

FN

Re: [Goanet] Girann (eclipse)

[Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक न ोरोन्या]

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Sangath, www.sangath.com, is one of Goa's leading NGOs.

Sangath is looking to build a centre for services, training and research
   and is looking to buy land of approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs
   betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas

If you have land to sell, please contact:

contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or phone +91-9881499458


http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html


2009/7/22 Edward Verdes :
> They say on full moon day the crabs have less meat..is this true?
> Eddie

Have heard that one too, and many villagers in the riverside villages
of Goa decide their crab-fishing calendars going by the phases of the
moon.

Apparently such beliefs are not restricted to Goa alone:

The lunar-tide cycle viewed by crustacean and mollusc gatherers in the
State of Paraíba, Northeast Brazil and their influence in collection
attitudes
http://www.ethnobiomed.com/content/2/1/1

Farmers in Goa also have some belief about the new and full-moon
influencing the planting cycles. Maybe I'm imaging it, but the
possibilities of extremities of weather also seem more likely at this
time of the month (full/new moon).

A friend of mine, Dr Anil Gupta, has been working to validate
traditional wisdom, if it works -- as it obviously does in some
spheres. See

GIAN is an incubator of grassroots innovation and traditional knowledge:
http://www.gian.org


FN

Re: [Goanet] Fr. Cedric Prakash

[Santosh Helekar]

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--- On Wed, 7/22/09, Mario Goveia  wrote:
> 
> If Fr. Prakash wants to become a politician he should
> resign from the priesthood.  You cannot honestly serve
> both God and Caesar, ...er, Shivaji, at the same time.
> 

Good to see a lot of independent thinking on this issue. Rajiv Desai, Samir, 
Mario and Jose have made very good points even though they may not be in 
agreement with each other. It is nice that people have started seeing beyond 
the stupid ideological divisions and herd mentalities of the past. Breaths of 
fresh air compared to the mindless sectarian activism on Goanet, which resorts 
to pigeonholing people into predetermined communal camps.

Cheers,

Santosh


  

Re: [Goanet] Girann (eclipse)

[Santosh Helekar]

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If you have land to sell, please contact:

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Quite predictably, facts don't matter to this type of journalism. It relies on 
name-calling, smear and abuse. What kind of an ideology is this which regards 
scientific facts as just another mythology? If you think it is harmless, please 
think again. A more rational and decent approach would have been to read up on 
the basic physics of gravitation and heavenly bodies, and try to address one's 
ignorance. Yes, even Wikipedia would have been alright, given the current state 
of intellectual laziness.

Cheers,

Santosh

--- On Wed, 7/22/09, Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक न 
 wrote:
>
> Haha! Not wholly unexpected (the response I mean) from a
> Science
> fundamentalist :-)  I'm almost beginning to believe
> that we should all
> be given space to live with our own mythologies. Even if
> the God of
> Modern Science frowns upon them. FN
> 


  

[Goanet] Re-Perspective on Migrants in Goa

[Mario Goveia]

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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 09:57:49 +0400
From: Arwin Mesquita 

For difference between Countries & States: I hope you at least understand
that states are basically setup in India based on their respective
Identities; if we go the way that you are projecting then we do not need
states in India!!

Mario responds:

There are several reasons why countries are divided up into states.  However, 
civilized countries allow free movement within the country.

Arwin wrote:

On Goan Identity Maybe you & your kind should spend more time with those
Non-Goans who recognise and appreciate it; and find out what you are
missing.

Mario responds:

I appreciate Goa just as much as the non-Goans who are moving there.  Some time 
ago, there was a post, I think by Santosh, where he showed that there were 
several Goan identities.  Anyone who looks around would know this.

Arwin wrote:

Bottom Line: Goa & its identity can  be preserved, but you dont believe in
it so I rather spend my valuable time with people who believe in it and have a 
positive "CAN DO" attitude

Mario responds:

I have suggested that you quit dreaming and spend some time with Florian, 
Carmen, Ana maria and others who seem to understand the issues better than you 
do, so that you can achieve something that is realistic.

Arwin wrote:

Many things that you enjoy today were at some peoples fantasies at
some point in history e.g. Air Travel and I am sure there were people like
you at that time; who said the same was not possible!!

Mario responds:

Arwin, you are absolutely correct.  Please resume your dreaming:-))

Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 11:29:26 +0400
From: "Blasio Fernandes" 

We the Goan migrants in UAE (as many would like to say) have to go back
one day to where we were brought up unless we decide otherwise.  We are a
touch too emotional about Goa hence the decision to go back to Goa even
though we have ample of opportunities to migrate elsewhere. 

Mario responds:

I'm glad you agree that you are no different than the migrants in Goa.

Blasio wrote:

Opinions of Pseudo Americans / Australians / British / Canadians holding PIO or 
OCI cards may and will differ but at the end of the day, it doesn't mean 
anything to the people who try and will fight in preserving what is left of our 
little Goa.

Mario responds:

You previously said that you Gulfees would return to Goa "unless we decide 
otherwise."  Perhaps you will also "fight in preserving what is left of our 
little Goa" when it suits you, "unless we decide otherwise".

Doesn't this make you "pseudo-Goans" who will do whatever suits you when the 
time comes.  

Blasio wrote:

People can bisect and dissect the emails but that does not change our
thought process. I may have ruffled a few feathers here.. but who the
bleep cares.. 

Mario responds:

Based on this thread, the only feathers that seem to be ruffled are yours and 
Arwins:-))

[Goanet] Flat for sale in Margao - Goa

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2 BHK Flat is urgently for sale., Only for GOANS.
 
Location : Behind Cine Vishant - Margao
 
Area : 96 sqmT.
 
Price : 18.5 lakhs
 
14 years old building. The construction of the building is very good.
 
Painting & tiling work has been done recently.
 
If interested pls mail me. I have taken 2 days time from the owner to sell the 
flat.
 
Borgee
 


  

[Goanet] Girann (eclipse)

[Edward Verdes]

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If you have land to sell, please contact:

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They say on full moon day the crabs have less meat..is this true?
Eddie
- Original Message - 
From: "Frederick [FN] Noronha *
--- On Wed, 7/22/09, Frederick Noronha 

The idea that the planets are linked to impacts on the
weather (specially the monsoons) and influence the largely
made-of-water human body might not be such a bizarre idea,
even if sometimes these ideas get stretched to illogical
levels.

[Goanet] Fr. Cedric Prakash

[Mario Goveia]

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   and is looking to buy land of approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs
   betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas

If you have land to sell, please contact:

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From: Santosh Helekar 
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Fr Cedric Prakash

Sorry to note that mixing of religion with politics has official authorization. 
I hope those who want to promote secularism in India would speak out against it.

Mario responds:

If Fr. Prakash wants to become a politician he should resign from the 
priesthood.  You cannot honestly serve both God and Caesar, ...er, Shivaji, at 
the same time.

Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 23:26:09 +0530
From: "Rajiv Desai" 

i have observed with keen interest the back and forth on the activities of 
cedric prakash. nothing i have read so far convinces me that he stands for a 
positive cause. all his platitudes about human rights and social justice are 
planks in a long discredited platform, especially in the age of genuine 
liberalism (which prakash and his leftist and jholewala supporters call 
'neo-liberalism'). as leaders of the world's two largest democracies, sonia 
gandhi and barack obama have revived the liberal cause that prakash and his ilk 
had expropriated. 

Mario responds:

Rajiv,

Genuine human rights and social justice comes from political and economic 
freedom, which only comes from true capitalism, which, by necessity includes a 
high level of social justice not for its own sake or some altruistic motive, 
but for the long term benefit of the capitalists and their businesses.  But the 
individual cares little for why they are being treated humanely.  What the 
individual cares about is the dignity of having a well paid and interesting 
job, being able to care for their families, and being able to speak their mind 
without repercussions.  Capitalism provides this for the greatest number of 
people for the longest period of time, without any altruism being involved in 
the equation.

The last time I checked, Sonia Gandhi was supporting Manmohan Singh and running 
away from political liberalism - which is really socialism for those who don't 
want to be called socialists after their dismal record at helping the poor - as 
fast as she and the Congress could, with the communists - who are socialists on 
steroids - trying to hold them back.

I think you need to catch up with what Comrade Obama - as Hugo Chavez aptly 
called him recently when he said he had to look to his left to see Obama - is 
up to right now, six months into his experimental presidency.  You can only 
fool so many people for so long, and the polls are showing this.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090721/ap_on_re_us/us_obama_ap_poll

Rajiv wrote of Cedric Prakash:

his ideology seems to a confused mix between the left that stands for very 
little but knee jerk diatribes against capitalism (especially the usa) and the 
hind swaraj mindset that excoriates modernity (seen as something that is not 
indian). as such cedric prakash has no appreciation for the two most 
transformative forces of the 20th century: capitalism and modernization.

Mario responds:

Now this makes Fr. Prakash sound a lot more like Obama, at least as far as 
capitalism is concerned.  For him, "modernization" means taking us back to the 
obsolete policies of socialism that other rational countries are running away 
from as fast as they can.

Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 22:22:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: Samir Kelekar 

People who have no clue on creative, environmentally sustainable development 
but only know greed destroy the environment (mining is
an example) or rivers and lifestyles of lakhs of poor people for their
own selfish ends. If that is what the 20 th century has taught us as
a modern concept, then we havent learnt anything from the 20 th century.

Mario responds:

What the 20th century taught us is that socialism is the political ideology 
that wastes resources and impoverishes people and pollutes rivers and 
lifestyles for lakhs of poor people.  This is why all its major proponents like 
Russia, China and India have rejected it since.

Samir wrote:

What we will do with more cars or more water, God alone knows.

Mario responds:

The last time I checked, good clean water is a scarce commodity in much of 
India.  Regarding cars, people will buy them and get around more easily, just 
like they do in the greedy developed countries.  Apparently, you think "they" 
are building cars for fun.  Perhaps

[Goanet] Foreigners and property deals - Caveat emptor

[lyrawmn]

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   and is looking to buy land of approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs
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If you have land to sell, please contact:

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Dear Goanet Moderator,
Might you repost this Letter to the Editor ,sent to OHeraldo and published 
August 2006?  
The referenced politician has changed, the editorial leaning may have 
changed,  but the issue remains the same. 
thank you.
I. Nunes  lyra...@yahoo.com
**
 
Caveat emptor 
I. Nunes
31st August, 2006
 
To the foreign property purchasers who lecture Goans on the ills on spurning 
their economic largesse, I would contend, caveat emptor, from that civilizing 
Roman influence, is appropriate. 

 
If you are settled in on land acquired through fraudulent property deeds with 
falsified residency permits, you deserve to forfeit your ill-gotten holdings. 
If you have acquired communidade land, it can never become private property 
because it rightfully belongs to the people of Goa.
 
To claim ignorance of the law in property purchases and business operations - 
and this from a seemingly sophisticated group of westerners; seasoned 
travellers at that, with disposable incomes enough to access legal advice and 
information at their fingertips - is a tall order. 
Wilful blindness cannot become the basis for exculpation [ Ignorantia juris non 
excusat ], as it would undermine the enforcement of any law, in any country. 
Laws create and protect a functioning society. 
 
As to granting amnesty as has been suggested, this measure would create a 
special, protected class of individuals who on the basis of their foreign 
origin and skin colour alone, would be exempt from prosecution, and allowed to 
skirt the laws. 
 
It would mean that they could proceed on as before, hanging on and increasing 
their illegal holdings in prized coastal zones, acquire agricultural land, 
operate businesses as they have, because of the grant of ‘oblivion’ or 
‘amnestia‘. 
While accepting them as guilty, which they are, amnesty would restore them to 
the class of ‘innocent‘, which they are not. 
 
It is after all, looking the other way that got Goa into this mess in the first 
place.
 
Why should Mr. Rane, not then empty the jails of all prisoners? Are they are 
not equally deserving? Drug dealers? Paedophiles? Thieves? All could claim 
ignorance of the law, and want amnesty.
 
The Goan people are unfairly being castigated with charges of intolerance and 
racism, and bear the brunt of the indignation of these foreigners, and their 
mouthpieces. This is the public, from whom a consensus on land development was 
never sought and who find the land being sold from under their feet. 
It is the Goan people, and their best interests that matter. Not the 
politicians or developers, and least of all the foreigners, who reside in Goa.
 
With the growing disparity and economic inequality of the locals, communal 
riots could be provoked by the sheer injustice of looking the other way and at 
the special dispensations afforded foreigners. 
The current press on the anti-foreigner feeling, would pale in the reporting of 
the causes of the unrest, with the major contributory roles these foreign 
residents are playing in the land grab. 
 
Some foreign residents warns us that Mr. Rane  “ ..risks invoking the 
intervention of foreign consulates, and raising a local issue to an 
international one”. 
This is simply not true.
Consulates are loath to confuse issues such as this, much less intervene on 
behalf of their law-breaking nationals, when it comes to matters of law and 
sovereignty of countries. Gunboat diplomacy is passé. 
 
Tourism development has been allowed to run amok --- unregulated, unplanned, 
resulting in obvious environmental destruction and societal and cultural 
breakdown. 
The crime rate, environmental degration, and institutionalised fraud are 
precisely the fallout from the frenzy to participate and profit in this tourist 
trade. ‘Greed is good’ would appear to be their maxim.
 
Tourist destinations evolve from discovery to development and then decline. 
Goa, has reached a critical mass, and is on the last phase. This might be a 
blessing of a kind.
*


  

[Goanet] Fwd: health plan danger to Goa

[Arwin Mesquita]

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-- Forwarded message --
From: Durgesh Prabhudesai 
Date: 2009/7/22
Subject: health plan danger to Goa
To: arwinmesqu...@gmail.com


Respected Sir,

I very much appreciate your work for Goa and Goans. Like you I am based in
Gulf. I am finding that the prposed health act is going to cause a lot of
trouble. I know from my native Canacona how much trouble it is to get basic
medical treatment. But here Goa govt is going to take away even whatever
there is. Already there is evidence against such a danger for Goa - I am
enclosing three such articles which are circulating (see below). Please if
you can use your activism in NRI and other Goa circles to make people aware
of this danger.

Thank you sir, yours Durgesh Prabhudesai (Bahrain)


===

An article from a member of the medical community -

The notification of the new Goa Public Health Services Development
Corporation in the official gazette is a scam to grab land under the guise
of improving health care (Chapter V, for example,  could easily be a page
from the scrapped RDP!).

It would be pertinent to note that Transparency International's recent
report on corruption in India higlighted the health sector as the most
corrupt: the biggest scams are taking place in allocating medical college
licences, giving land for health projects and equipment purchases.
Interestingly, this is precisely what has been going on in Goa since the
early RDP was scrapped: it seems that heatlh is now the back door route to
getting SEZs!

There are many gaping holes in the notification; for example, the act is
purportedly 'primarily for implementation of the Universal Mediclaim Scheme
and Management of Assets of Asilo and Hospicio
Hospitals". Yet, the bulk of the activities relate to land acquisition for
health estates: in what way does this contribute to the purported aims? Goa
already has one of the highest number of beds and doctors in the country,
and while the state cannot even guarantee clean bedsheets, essential drugs
and rat-free operation theatres, it has gone on a spree to build more
hospitals rather than fix the ones already in the state. If you visit most
of the PHCs in Goa, you will find that their bed occupancy rates are very
low; its not clear why more beds are needed.

The ministry wishes to tackle corruption in the mediclaim scheme (which is
widespread); but how will acquiring land deal with this, when the corruption
is within the staff of the medical college and department of health?

A hint of the SEZ is also visible in clause 38 c where, amazingly, it is
written that all planning permissions related to the area where the acquired
land is located will 'cease' to apply!

No need to be a rocket scientist to work out what the real agenda of this
bill is.

Vikram Patel
Professor of International Mental Health & Wellcome Trust Senior Clinical
Research Fellow in Tropical Medicine, London School of Hygiene & Tropical
Medicine and Sangath, Goa, India.
Address: Sangath Centre, 841/1 Alto Porvorim, Goa, India 403521
Websites: www.lshtm.ac.uk; www.sangath.com

===

Hounding out health

Why the Goa Health Services Development Act must go

- Rahul Goswami

We will now need a 'Goa Protection of the People from Abuse by MLAs Act,
2009'. None of the 40 will of course oblige. They have passed yet
another undisguised tool to usurp the people's land and have cynically
called it a 'health services' act. It has nothing whatsoever to do
with health and nothing at all to do with services of any kind to the
residents of Goa.

This piece of legislation was introduced as a bill in August 2008 by the
health minister, Vishwajit Rane. It was turned into an Act on 15
June 2009 and is called 'The Goa Health Services Development Act, 2008'.
Here's what this Act concerns itself with: roads, supply of water,
drainage, building, structure (whether commercial or not, whether in use or
not), 'health estate', premises, access by road, access by
wharf, 'development' (as is used in property development), and above all it
concerns itself with land.

To take care of all these concerns - which have to do with land and not with
medicine and our health - this Act will set up a Goa Health
Services Development Cor

Re: [Goanet] Girann (eclipse)

[Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक न ोरोन्या]

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Haha! Not wholly unexpected (the response I mean) from a Science
fundamentalist :-)  I'm almost beginning to believe that we should all
be given space to live with our own mythologies. Even if the God of
Modern Science frowns upon them. FN

2009/7/22 Santosh Helekar :
>
> --- On Wed, 7/22/09, Frederick Noronha  wrote:
>>
>> The idea that the planets are linked to impacts on the
>> weather (specially the monsoons) and influence the largely
>> made-of-water human body might not be such a bizarre idea,
>> even if sometimes these ideas get stretched to illogical
>> levels.
>>
>
> It is a bizarre idea alright for anybody who knows something about elementary 
> physics. Planets do not have any special influence on water or something made 
> of water. The gravitational influence on any thing as small as a human body 
> is negligible. Perhaps, there is a need for remedial courses in basic science 
> for all journalists and activists.

[Goanet] SBA submits memorandum to Parrikar

[samir umarye]

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-- 
Samir Umarye

BICHOLIM JULY 22: The Shiksha Bachao Abhiyaan (SBA) - Goa on Tuesday
submitted a memorandum to the

opposition leader, Manohar Parrikar seeking support for their movement
for saving Indian History through the school textbooks.

It may be recalled that the SBA had earlier demanded the education
departnment to the controversal school History

textbooks.

The Shiksha Bachao Abhiyaan which is a national organisation was
started in Goa by the teachers when it was noted that the department
tried to subvert the Indian History and give priority to the foreign
History through the school text books.

The memorandum states that the text books from std. V to X are highly
objectionable for several reasons. The very

purpose of teaching history to students is defeated as there is an
absence of Indian History. The stress is laid upon

Mughals and Muslim History. There is just a small mention of some of
the Indian freedom fighters and martyrs while a

great deal is talked about the Britishers and the people who ruled our country.

Most of the students have already started showing disinterest in the
subject as there is no clarity regarding historical

facts, there are absurd pictures, content unorganized and to the point
with little explanation, no link of syllabus from

one standards to another, difficult language for students creating
confusion in their mind.

The memorandum has also given several examples stating as to why they
have opposed the textbooks. It has urged

the opposition leader to look into the matter and support the issue.
Parrikar in turn has also assured the teachers that he

would raise the issue in the assembly.

The team of teachers included SBA convenor, Vallabh Kelkar; members,
Bholesh Naik, Purnima Naik, Amol

Deshpande, Govind Phadke, Samir Umarye.

Re: [Goanet] Snake bites

[Mario Goveia]

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2009/7/22 Bernado Colaco :
>
> First off all humans should not trash the snake environment. Second, 
> automation should be used for construction therefore not requiring child 
> labour. Third, maybe the Shahani family could help by accomodating the 
> construction labour.

Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 10:44:10 +0530
From: Frederick [FN] Noronha *  

Let me translate that into Goanetspeak: A snake comes ahead of a
machine, which comes ahead of a migrant kid in my scheme of things! Is
that correct?

Mario "Voice of Peace and Everything Else Good" Goveia, I hate to
slink into I-told-you-so'ism, but when I spoke out about Goanetters
and Colacos, you termed me cycnical or something of that kind :-)

Mario responds:

Fred,

It's "The lone voice on Goanet for reason, truth and peace", not "Voice of 
Peace and Everything Else Good".  Please make a note for future reference.

Just because we have some Goan crabs with nasty attitudes on Goanet doesn't get 
you off the hook for your own initial cycnicism and callousness, which you then 
realized and backed off from.

However, I'm still waiting for the list of places where one can get treated for 
snakebite in Goa.  This is information that goes beyond some migrant workers 
and their children because everyone in Goa would find this list useful.

Bernardo is one of those Portuguese-era Goan "patriots" who loves Goa from 
afar, while living among Chinese who make their living from gambling and the 
world's oldest profession:-))

He is one of the Goanetters for whom Sapna Sahani's name is like a red cape 
waved in front of a fighting bull in Spain.  Didn't he once opine that it was 
"illegal" for her to be in Goa?  Thankfully we haven't heard from the other 
guy, at least so far.

On a related subject, mentioning the world's oldest profession reminded me of 
the second oldest according to Ronald Reagan, which may be appropriate to 
mention here with all the angst in Goa over corrupt politicians:

"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned 
that it bears a striking resemblance to the first."
- Ronald Reagan.

Re: [Goanet] G'Bye Goa: Goan Emigration

[Valmiki Faleiro]

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Dear Eugene,

"Pakles," in comparison, were decent. Worse than the worst Muslims like
Mallik Kafur and Ghazni Mohammed, were the marauding troops of Sambhaji.
His father, Shivaji, who also seined and attacked Goa (in the mid-17th century,
during the Portuguese era), was kind in comparison.

When Sambhaji's troops overran Salcete from the southern fortification of
Cuncolim in Dec-1683, despite paying for peace, women had to dive in
rivulets and the Sal to hide, neck-deep in water, to save their honour. On the
eve of Christmas day that year, they reached Margao. The local men who
gathered at Holy Spirit church, negotiated peace for a huge price. After it was
paid, and hiding womenfolk and children were assured safe passage to the
Rachol fortification, the women who emerged to flee to Rachol were attacked.
Many were stripped of their honour and possessions. Those who tried to
defend themselves were speared to death or had their limbs severed. Such
was the barbarity that many women preferred to jump into wells.

Only the Mongols might match the Marathas under Sambhaji when it came to
barbarity against women. And our own Shashikala Kakodkar, in the mid-1970s,
wanted to change the name of Vasco da Gama (the place, not the man!) to
Sambhaji Nagar.

Rgds, v


- Original Message - 
From: "Eugene Correia" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] G'Bye Goa: Goan Emigration




'G' Bye Goa: Parkles Arrive' is an article by Valmiki Faleiro about the arrival of the Portuguese (mainly men) to Goa. However, I 
recall that the word "Parkles" (Portuguese soldiers) spread considerable fear among young Goan women when lorry loads of 
Portuguese soldiers swept threw Goa villages. In one instance, to my astonishment, in 1952, word went round like wildfire that the 
Parkles were around and all the young women disappeared within a matter of seconds to hiding places they knew. Whether this was a 
genuine fear of rape or a figment of the imagination is immaterial As soon as the fear was dissipated, the young women calmly 
returned to their normal village tasks. However, to read Valmiki's account of the Parkles, click here.


Finally, I come back to Valmiki Faleiro to tell about his excellent and informative Goanet article titled 'G'bye Goa-Goan 
Emigration' that first appeared in the Herald Newspaper. In simple style but with powerful impact, we are told that in and out 
migration from Goa goes back to at least 4000-5000 BC in recorded history. So, I dearly wish that those with fairly closed 
mind-sets in Goa will take note of what Valmiki relates so succinctly to the current vexed issue of migration into Goa. To read 
this, please click here. 

Re: [Goanet] Girann (eclipse)

[Santosh Helekar]

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--- On Wed, 7/22/09, Frederick Noronha  wrote:
> 
> The idea that the planets are linked to impacts on the
> weather (specially the monsoons) and influence the largely
> made-of-water human body might not be such a bizarre idea,
> even if sometimes these ideas get stretched to illogical
> levels.
> 

It is a bizarre idea alright for anybody who knows something about elementary 
physics. Planets do not have any special influence on water or something made 
of water. The gravitational influence on any thing as small as a human body is 
negligible. Perhaps, there is a need for remedial courses in basic science for 
all journalists and activists.

Cheers,

Santosh


  

[Goanet] Deendayal's AGM held

[samir umarye]

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-- 
Samir Umarye



-- 


BICHOLIM JULY 17: The 12th Annual General Body Meeting of the
Deendayal Nagari Sahakari Pathsaunstha Maryadit Bicholim was held
on Sunday 19th July, at 10 am at Deendayal Bhavan Bicholim.

Addressing a press conference here in the city the Chairman of the
co-operative society, Kanta Patnekar told that their society has completed
13 years of service and presently has four branches in Bicholim,
Ponda, Mapusa and Porvorim. "We are now planning to open three new
branches in Sanquelim, Marcel and Pernem" Patnekar told.adding "to
give more facilities to the customers we have also plans to uplift the
computer software in the branches and also start SMS banking."

Speaking about their annual report and financial performance Patnekar
told that they give 12 percent dividend to share holders. "We have a
net profit of Rs 60.59 Lakh and because of the hard work made by the
staff members of the society we were able to bring down the NPA to
1.9%" he disclosed adding "at present we have 22 employees and about
12000 members attached with the institution."

Patnekar told that their institution is not a profit making
institution and they have implemented several schemes for the society.
" We have special social upliftment fund through which we give
scholarships to needy and deserving students and about Rs 55,000 is
contributed for the same." he said "besides this we have given 2 lakh
for the special children school in Bicholim run by Keshav Seva
Sadhana."

Disclosing their future plans he told that they are now planning for
Deendayal Seva Kendra and would also strive for a bigger project in
north Goa in educational field. The Treasurer, Arjun Malgaonkar;
Director, Vithal Vernekar; Arun Naik, were present for the press
conference.

[Goanet] One held in Tiger killing case at Keri

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-- 
Samir Umarye

BICHOLIM JULY 22: The forest department today arrested one Nagesh
Majik from Keri Sattari in connection with the Tiger killing case that
rocked the state some months back.

According to sources Nagesh Majik was today called by the forest
department at Tushimala Sanquelim for an inquiry. After an initial
inquiry the department personnel including RFO, Tulshidas Wadkar,
chodankar took him to the spot where tiger was killed.

The sources told that the personnel also inquired the owner of the
said land Arjun Majik who later denied that the property belong to
him. On inspection the department recovered an used bullet very close
to the site.

The forest department immediately arrested Nagesh on suspicion even he
has denied any link with the case. He was later kept in the custody of
the Valpoi police.

It may be recalled that some months back the forest department was
taken to task when an environmentalist, Rajendra Kerkar disclosed that
a tiger was killed in the village and the forest department are trying
to hide the issue. Following the controversy the department rounded up
Suryakarnt Majik and some other villagers who were also resorted to
third degree treatment. In this incident Suryakant was also
hospitalised after he had suffered serious injuries on his backbone.

The villagers on the other hand had accused the department of
threatening and terrorising the villagers to save their own skin.

Speaking to Herald today the Suryakarnt Majik's brother, Prabhakar
Majik told that the department is still terrorising the villagers and
are frequently calling them for inquiries. "Today to our surprise
Nagesh was called for an inquiry and was arrested late in the evening,
while going in the forest to search for any possible clues the
department also destroyed several cashew saplings that the villagers
had planted." Prabhakar disclosed adding "we are trying to bail out
Nagesh who claims to be innocent"

[Goanet] I'd be a swine...

[Venantius Pinto]

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Hi all,
Yesterday I received my copy of Vavraddeancho Ixtt. No clue why the past few
copies have being mailed from Singapore, but am happy that since then the
copy comes in a wrap, and is not torn (one was in bad shape), ripped,
scuffed etc. Anyway, Alexyz's editorial cartoon under the caption Garbage
Flue or Money Flu, is most interesting. His singular Goan female character
(the bunhead, with lips that would wrap around a head, yeaah) is accosting
the Goa CM. She says, "Diggu! Swine Flu? His response, "...With all the
garbage in Panjim...I'd be a swine...not to be cautious!

Someone buy that piece. Love the idea of those words giving thought to the
CMs political stratagems emanating 'neath his diadem. Swines in deeds,
swines indeed.

The subhead (from the editors) is:
Padd korpacho Flu vo manddavoll haddpacho Flu?
Moddfodd korpacho Flu vo ghoddpacho Flu?

And non Konknni speakers learn those lines--use them to decry (read
RIDICULE) topics.



venantius

[Goanet] My letter to the Editor of GT

[Sebastian Borges]

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Dear friends,
I have sent the following letter to the Editor of GT.  Since the discussion 
began there, I feel it is my duty towards its readers that I should inform them 
first.  But since the Editor is averse to publishing my letters, I am posting 
it here simultaneously.

The Editor.
GT, Panaji.

Sir,
Sub: Whither the Debate?

  It is close to a fortnight since my letter appeared in GT (10/07) wherein 
I had expressed my willingness to face Tomazinho Cardozo in a debate if he were 
to arrange one.  Some of your readers, if their letters are any indication, 
have expressed their avidity to witness the encounter.  But there are no signs 
as yet of it materializing.  Perhaps Cardozo is still working at it.  But, if 
he is still slumbering after his “Good night” he could read this as a wake-up 
call.

He has declared that every minute of his time is precious; and I don’t have 
oodles of time to fritter away, either.  Therefore, in order to avoid wastage 
of time to the extent possible, I suggest the following line of action:

Let him (a) Select some date-time slots which are convenient to him.  (b) 
Contact me on cell no. 9960816598 to shortlist slots which suit both of us.  
(c) Arrange a venue on one of these short-listed slots, contact the media and 
obtain their commitment to cover the event.  (d) At least four working days in 
advance, announce in GT and on the internet groups where this discussion has 
taken place, the venue, date, time (from and to), seating capacity of the 
premises and the names of the media who have agreed to cover.  This should 
enable interested readers to make time and arrangements for attending.  (e) 
Strictly adhere to the time schedule announced.   Time is precious for the 
audience and media as well.

Yours truly,
Sebastian Borges
Nagdoli, Velim.

Some readers, for whatever reason, appear to have got the impression that I am 
trying to avoid the debate.  I call upon such of them to now prevail upon 
Tomazinho, with the enthusiasm, to stage the show at his earliest.  If 
possible, please assist him in this task.

Sotachench zoit zatolem.
Mog asum.
Sebastian Borges.



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Re: [Goanet] G'Bye Goa: Goan Emigration

[Eugene Correia]

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My apologies for sending the wrong post. I copied the post and mistakenly 
placed it in the body copy. The small note is from GoanVoice by Cornel.
Given below is the one I wanted to post.

Eugene
---

Besides Valmiki's piece on Goan emigration, there was another piece on the same 
subject by Maria de Lourde Bravo da Costa in the Gomantak Times Weekeneder of 
July 19.
Titled "Towards Greener Pastures", the noted librarain and author begins with 
the statement, "It is not known when exactly the emigration of Goans from the 
state began. However, it is presumed it must have started with the ships that 
brough merchadise to Goa."
Since Valmiki gives the name of Panna, a Goan Saraswat from Ambaulim-Quepem, in 
the "pre-Christian era". I am surprised that the noted librarian and author 
could not find this information.
The subject is relevant to what is the hottest topic in Goa these days. A short 
visit to Goa brought me to the start reality that in-migration has brought a 
sea-change to Goa's socio-cultural as well as eco-political landscapes.
I am, however, not an alarmist like Arwin. As I said in the past, unlike 
amendments are done to India's Constitution that would confer "special status" 
on Goa, the native Goans would have to bear the consequences -- and benefits -- 
of in-migration.
I do not want to be in either camp, but I would rather choose to stay in the 
middle. With adjustments and compromise, I think a solution can be worked out. 
But it's not going to be an easy task.
Talking to a veteran journalist of Goa on some issues affecting Goa today, the 
topic of Opinion Poll came up. He said, I am tend to believe, that during Goa's 
liberation the Goan population in Bombay was more than in Goa. Bombay had four 
lakhs Goans at that time.
It was thought my some forward-thinking Goans, including some Catholic Goans, 
one of them being the late Cardinal Gracias,  that a merger with Maharashtra 
would economically benefit Goans. I will not disclose here what he was told by 
Dr. Jack Sequeira when the journalist asked him many years later if the good 
doctor was satisfied with what is happening in Goa after winning the Opinion 
Poll. I leave it to goanetters to guess.
With the influx of migrants, there will obviously be demand for housing. Hence, 
mega-projects are planned, much to the chagrin of the majority of the local 
people. I was surprised to read that Babush Monserrate was supporting the 
villagers of Taleigao against a project (I forget if it a a mega one).
Here is a man, rather a minister, who has financially gained through real 
estate development.  It is alleged that he owns many apartments in the prime 
locality of Miramar.
I don't know why he is now backing the anti-project protest. Perhaps, there is 
a story behind it.
Going through the cities of Vasco, Panaji and Mapusa, I could see the building 
coming up. The cities are already choking, so to say. More buildings in the 
cities would only mean that there would be chaos with regard to vehicular and 
pedestrian traffic, market space, public transports, etc.
Hearing the debates on the opening day of the Assembly, some MLAs talked about 
tourism. One of them said that the government was spending big bucks on 
advertisements promoting tourism when part of the money could have been 
channelled towards development of tourism infrastructure.
I do not want Goa-based netters to hit back at me when I say that Goa indeed 
needs more infrastructure development to make it a truly world-class tourism 
destination.
I was suprised too that Mauvin Godinho spoke against "illegal developments". I 
know of a case in Bogmalo where one of his staunch supporters put up a shack on 
the shoreline with the "blessing" of Godinho many years ago. The shack still 
stands and does good business.
I took public transport a couple of times and it was horrible. That Goan 
travelled like packed sardines was very much true during the Portuguese days as 
it is today. Thank God that the shuttle bus from Panaji to Vasco was limited to 
the seats with no standing passengers. It is similar to other routes, I suppose.
The good, bad and the ugly aspects of in-migration is visible for those who 
care to see. But the difference is what one "cares" to see, suc

[Goanet] Christian Adivasi Sangatna Flayed South Goa Collector decision.

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Press Note from Christian Adivasi Sangatna.
 
The Goa Government headed by the congress party  is committing atrocities on 
Christian Gawdas and trying to wipe out them from the  map of Goa by attacking 
their economic base  stated Christian Adivasi Sangatna of Quepem in a press 
note issued today. 
 
They claim that the fertile paddy field  which is being acquired by the 
Government at Rawandfond at a very low rate  90% of the cultivators  are  from 
Christian Gawda Community . As the Christian Gawdas are voiceless and 
powerless, in  recent years the attack on the them  from the   Government side 
has drastically increased.  The acquisition of land at Rawandfond, the land 
acquired for    District collector building near new bus stand and for the new 
District Hospital goes proves these. These land were fertile paddy  were 
cultivated  by   Christian gawdas reads the press note further. 
 
The government is trying to wipe out the Christian gawdas by attacking their 
Agricultural land which is still their main economic base and main source of 
livelihood for majority of them. The Tradition of agriculture in salcete is 
kept alive by the Christian Gawdas. However the Goa  Government instead of 
motivating these community it  discourage them by acquiring or by constructing 
road right through  the middle of the paddy field. The construction of road are 
done right through the middle of the paddy field, in order to discourage these 
community from taking up cultivations and to destroy these paddy field so as to 
make available these land for the  builder for construction purpose ,  reads 
the press note further. 
 
The Christian Gawdas of Goa always relied behind the congress. In the last 
parliamentary  if the Christian Gawdas did not relied behind the congress then 
the congress candidate would have been defeated in south Goa  as the congress 
candidate has secured thumping lead in those constituency where  the Christian 
Gawdas are in dominance.  But the prize which the congress party gives to these 
community for relying behind them is nothing but atrocities. The association 
has warned the Goa government headed by the congress party   if  the atrocities 
on these community goes on increases then its effect on the congress party will 
surely be seen in the elections . States the press note further. 
 
Criticizing the District collectors decision to give police protection to the 
illegal construction in the paddy field at Rawandfond the CAS stated  that the 
people of south Goa are  unfortunate to have a collector of such a caliber who 
justify or protect any illegality.  Under the leadership of Collector G.P. Naik 
there is total failure of  administration in south Goa  and the recent 
instances proves this states the press note further. 
…..2/-
 
 
…..2…..
Criticizing the government decision to allot the Tribals land to outsider whose 
shops  were demolished for road widening at Rawanfond,  the CAS stated that 
these are the illegal encroacher on the area meant for road widening . By 
compensating or giving land to illegal encroacher the government is  setting a 
bad precedent. What about the Christian Gawda farmers whose paddy filed have 
been acquired and whose livelihood has been permanently destroyed , is the 
government is really concerned about the Tribals Question the CAS. There are 
ill encroachment  on the road side by the outsider  at Docarpali , when for 
road widening these illegal construction are demolished then the government is 
going to give them plot.  
 
The government in order to continue its  atrocities on the Tribal,  the Goa 
Government is not implementing the tribal act in its true spirit even though it 
had given an  assurance given to the High Court in writ Petition 313/2006. The 
Sangatna has warned the Government from acquiring the tribal lands in the 
future states  the press note further. 
 


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[Goanet] On board India's eclipse flight

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/8162383.stm?ls
 
China eclipses into darkness
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8162317.stm
 
Asia watches long solar eclipse
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/8162336.stm
 
Asia witnesses total eclipse 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8162311.stm
 
 
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Re: [Goanet] Save the last jewel in the crown of Bharat mata

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Dear Bill,

 

Reading your robust eulogium warms the cockles of my heart to sauna-level...

Alfred, from sauna-land


 
> From: billho...@yahoo.com
> To: goa...@goanet.org
> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 22:50:28 -0400
> Subject: [Goanet] Save the last jewel in the crown of Bharat mata
> 
> Dear Goa net,
> 
> I am sitting in Sanfrasisco and only hope that you guys are in a position to 
> handle 
> your affairs as I have quiet the scene since long.
> I would like to tell you that when I came to Goa in 1969, I was impressed by 
> the 
> state and the administration that reading about files, hurts me.
> 
> I sat down with the chief minister Bandodkar on Vasco stadium to watch 
> football 
> match between Vasco club and Leader of Jullundur, where I belong. On that 
> particular 
> day, I thought I belonged to Goa and I still feel that I do belong to Goa 
> however,
> 
> You guys are the ones to save the last jewel in the crown of Bharat mata. Goa 
> is one 
> such jewel which we can not efford to loose; we lost it for very long already.
> 
> God bless all of you.
> 
> A naval pilot of past glory.
> 
> Bill Hothi
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> 
> 

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Re: [Goanet] Goanet Reader: Living in lament: Goa in the 21st century (FN)

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"En este mundo traidor
nada es verdad ni mentira,
todo es según el color
del cristal con que se mira."
(Ramón de Campoamor)


An excellent article by our friend Fred! (Fred, I'd like to meet your
German friend one day, and greetings to Paul VG!)


This said, what struck me in this article, is how much of what Fred says
about the 'Goa mood' could be tranfered verbatim to the Netherlands where
I live. Both the description of the situation and the 'general (?) mood',
and the counter-arguments to address/ combat them.

In this sense, one could maybe say that Goa is very 'modern' (or is it
'post-modern', Virilio style? (*) It suffers of a luxury problem of sorts.
Goa is richer and materially more succesful than almost all the rest of
India, and yet disapointment prevails.

But it has maybe to do with a deeper aspect of the (post)modern condition:
just as you have the saying "private wealth amidst public poverty", you
have a situation where institutionally speaking, society is a mess, but
where individual persons, groups and initiatives thrive, and form so many
innumerable islands of hope and light.

In the Netherlands, I can (and do) really get desperate about the
political situation (Wilders cs, and a completely uninspiring and
near-innefective government), the economic situation (crisis? you ain't
seen nuthin' yet!), the educaction system (one big mess), the ...etc etc
etc. Yet, on the other hand, I can barely keep track, no, I simply can't
keep track, of all most inspiring projects budding all over the place, in
all kind of fields: environment, culture, arts, kitchen, you name it.

So what then? My main current 'theoretical' (**) guide is, I admit, Paul
Virilio, and his musing about the 'integral accident' and the 'finiteness
of our world'. The latter is not (as many wrongly interpret it) the 'end
of the world', but the fact that we have reached the limit, and that we
need to look and ponder what to do next. And the former is about our craze
for ever more technological fixes, which are breeding as many accidents,
leading finally to the systemic one, when 'everything' freezes.

Everything, but not life itself. Of which we are the bearers, and not our
institutions/ systems going awry. So the big question (to me at least) is
how much we as individuals can reorganise and recapture our livelyhoods in
such a way as to make it workable. Looking around, at people, there is
actually only cause for optimism. But looking around at things (what
moaners do), there is only reason for despair, and inertia. 'Polar
inertia', as Virilio calls it.

Cheers, patrizio and Dnooos!
(current reading: Alan Weisman "The World without Us"; previous one: Mike
Davis, "Planet of Slums")

(*) According to Paul Virilio, we have just entered (a few years ago) true
'post-modernity'. What has been called post-modernity for the past 25
years was in fact 'hyper-modernity'. People outside this discourse will of
course wonder what it is all about... ;-)

(**) "There is nothing so practical as a good theory"




> Living in lament: Goa in the 21st century
>
> DEVIL'S ADVOCATE/ Frederick Noronha
>
> A German friend, married to a Goan, agrees with the view that
> Goans can indeed be quite "melancholic" about their present.
> It's surprising how pessimistic and lament-prone a people we
> can be.
>
> Even though we have positive things happening around us, we
> choose to focus on the negative. If you listened to the
> overwhelming tone of the Goa debate, you'd think that things
> are so bad we might as well give up even trying. 

[Goanet] Devil's advocate - Living in lament

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Everything starts with a dream and a dream is in effect  a
crying need for change.  The only fault of some of our stalwart Goans
is that we are not open to change and therefore, the lament.  I am not
talking of the negative kind of change which is unfortunately, and to
some extent befalling Goa - e.g. destruction  by unscrupulous builders, miners
etc. etc.. but a change for the better.  Having seen the transition of
Goa from Portuguese to Indian, there is a phenomenal change specially
in people's lifestyles (I'm talking about food, sanitation even
standard of living).  I remember a friend at Xavier's invited me to her
house when I was  in my early teens, her father held a very important
position and the lifestyle was 5-star with butlers to change the
crockery and cutlery with every course of the meal.  This was a daily
feature in most of the elitist and graceful homes in Goa. 

The need of the
hour is for Goans  from all over the world to unite on a common
platform to fight against corruption, nepotism and work towards
building a  haven of that little paradisiacal state of ours.  The
important requirement is unity, which is unfortunately not present. 
It's more of a crab mentality to pull down the crab which is climbing
higher.




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Re: [Goanet] Re- Perspective on Migrants in Goa

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Blasio, you have a point here. Many Goans in the Gulf are dependent on
educational facilities here, and could also retire (if they don't head
for Canada, etc) after retiring.

2009/7/22 Blasio Fernandes :

> We the Goan migrants in UAE (as many would like to say) have to go back
> one day to where we were brought up unless we decide otherwise. We are a
> touch too emotional about Goa hence the decision to go back to Goa even
> though we have ample of opportunities to migrate elsewhere

Tell me, what happens when a child who has lived in the Gulf comes
back to Goa and find himself/herself on the wrong side of local
domicile laws meant to protect "sons of the soil"?

FN

PS: Nobody has told me where the figure of 40% migrants in Goa comes
from. Is it from some set of politicians who, in the first place,
cashed in on the migrant vote or offered them easy land while in
power, and now seeks to cash-in on the anti-migrant sentiment? Are
there any official or academic figures on this?
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Re: [Goanet] G'Bye Goa: Goan Emigration

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The issue of scientifically oriented clinical medicine contrasted with 
homeopathy continues to intrigue posters. For those interested in this 
controversial issue please visit two urls provided by Santosh Helekar - click 
here and Fr Ivo - click here.

'G' Bye Goa: Parkles Arrive' is an article by Valmiki Faleiro about the arrival 
of the Portuguese (mainly men) to Goa. However, I recall that the word 
"Parkles" (Portuguese soldiers) spread considerable fear among young Goan women 
when lorry loads of Portuguese soldiers swept threw Goa villages. In one 
instance, to my astonishment, in 1952, word went round like wildfire that the 
Parkles were around and all the young women disappeared within a matter of 
seconds to hiding places they knew. Whether this was a genuine fear of rape or 
a figment of the imagination is immaterial As soon as the fear was dissipated, 
the young women calmly returned to their normal village tasks. However, to read 
Valmiki's account of the Parkles, click here.

Finally, I come back to Valmiki Faleiro to tell about his excellent and 
informative Goanet article titled 'G'bye Goa-Goan Emigration' that first 
appeared in the Herald Newspaper. In simple style but with powerful impact, we 
are told that in and out migration from Goa goes back to at least 4000-5000 BC 
in recorded history. So, I dearly wish that those with fairly closed mind-sets 
in Goa will take note of what Valmiki relates so succinctly to the current 
vexed issue of migration into Goa. To read this, please click here.
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Re: [Goanet] Girann (eclipse)

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How do we explain the behavior of "pixe" (lunatics?)  Whenever there is a full 
moon or a girann, khor zorgot asta ani he zorgotik
pixeanchem duens anik vodik vaddtta; tednam lok 'tankam zorgot laglea,' oxem
mhunnttat.

Moi-mogan,

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stretched to illogical levels.

What say? FN (just out of a giran!)

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[Goanet] Re. Perspective On Migrants

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Mario

For difference between Countries & States: I hope you at least understand
that states are basically setup in India based on their respective
Identities; if we go the way that you are projecting then we do not need
states in India!!

 On Goan Identity Maybe you & your kind should spend more time with those
Non-Goans who recognise and appreciate it; and find out what you are
missing.

Bottom Line: Goa & its identity can  be preserved, but you dont believe in
it so I rather spend my valuable time with people who believe in it and have
a positive "CAN DO" attitude

Arwin
PS Mario: Many things that you enjoy today were at some peoples fantasies at
some point in history e.g. Air Travel and I am sure there were people like
you at that time; who said the same was not possible!!



Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 21:19:15 +0400
From: Arwin Mesquita 

Mario pls stop changing the Goalposts,

Mario responds:

The goalposts are still the same.  The UAE, US, UK etc. are countries.  Goa
is a state.  You don't seem to know the difference.

ARwin wrote:

your specific query was how can I be a migrant in the UAE and oppose
migrants in Goa

Mario responds:

I never denied your right to oppose or support anything you want to.  Here
is what I said, "What exactly is an "unnecessary employment opportunity" for
someone who is willing to work to support their family?  Aren't you doing
the same, that too, in the UAE?  Don't you see the irony in that?"

What this means is that as a migrant worker yourself you should understand
why people migrate to earn money to support their families.

Arwin wrote:

Why does the USA does not open the doors completely?

Mario explains:

Because the US is a country that must maintain law and order for the sake of
its citizens and the obligations and benefits they share.  Goa is a state in
India, which is different from being a country.  It would be like Ohio,
which is a state in the USA.  Any American can come and go and do whatever
they want to in Ohio.  This is like the migrants from other parts of India
who choose to come to Goa.

Arwin wrote:

Yes those who benefit from the destruction of Goa don?t share my opinion but
many in Goa have objected to mega-projects if you are aware!!

Mario responds:

Obviously, not enough of them agree with you because the mega projects are
continuing.  BTW, I see them every year when I come down to Goa.  I don't
like them any more than you do, but, if they are legal there is nothing you
can do other than lobby the Goan politicians to change the laws governing
the locations and types of buildings.  I doubt they can change laws that
affect other non-Goan Indians.

Arwin wrote:

I and many have already started and many do care,; if you must know.

Mario responds:

I wish you good luck.  Please make sure Floriano is elected.

I would also nominate Selma and Rajan if they can make time in their busy
schedules of changing the world.  That would shake up the Goan Legislature
for sure.

Arwin wrote:

-You don?t seem to understand the so called legalities must change if the
local people are affected. Legalities are not divine !!. So do we Goans lose
oour identity and right to decent living because   ? we cant understand the
difference between countries & states??

Mario responds:

Any universal Goan identity is all in your mind.

Some legalities are virtually divine.  For example, Goa is a state within
the country called India.

Of course you could change that by becoming a modern Chattrapati and
forcibly breaking away from India.  Perhaps you could get the meaty Russians
in Morjim to help you.  Then you could run Goa the way you keep writing
about.

Until then, I think it would help your blood pressure if you understood the
difference between a country and a state.

Many Goans don't seem to be interested in making a decent living in Goa,
like you for example.  This is what creates the need for migrant workers
from other parts of India.

Instead of fantacizing about bogus premises of statehood I suggest you hook
up with people like Floriano and Carmen Miranda and perhaps Ana Maria and
work on some realistic ideas.

[Goanet] BBC NEWS | South Asia | India 'virgin test' claim dropped

[Ruby Goes]

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Sangath, www.sangath.com, is one of Goa's leading NGOs.

Sangath is looking to build a centre for services, training and research
   and is looking to buy land of approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs
   betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas

If you have land to sell, please contact:

contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or phone +91-9881499458


http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html



Goanetters,
Seriously comedic and surreal.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8161194.stm

rubygoes

[Goanet] Under 24, so cute!

[JoeGoaUk]

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Sangath, www.sangath.com, is one of Goa's leading NGOs.

Sangath is looking to build a centre for services, training and research
   and is looking to buy land of approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs
   betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas

If you have land to sell, please contact:

contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or phone +91-9881499458


http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html


Book
Same book
Same book cover
but this a third addition
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukextras/3745393974/

 

 


  

[Goanet] Re- Perspective on Migrants in Goa

[Blasio Fernandes]

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Sangath, www.sangath.com, is one of Goa's leading NGOs.

Sangath is looking to build a centre for services, training and research
   and is looking to buy land of approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs
   betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas

If you have land to sell, please contact:

contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or phone +91-9881499458


http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html


Goa is very much a part of India since liberation and we are proud to be
Goans as well as Indians, However, there are certain states in India
that have laws implemented to protect their identity culture etc. 

We the Goan migrants in UAE (as many would like to say) have to go back
one day to where we were brought up unless we decide otherwise. We are a
touch too emotional about Goa hence the decision to go back to Goa even
though we have ample of opportunities to migrate elsewhere. Opinions of
Pseudo Americans / Australians / British / Canadians holding PIO or OCI
cards may and will differ but at the end of the day, it doesn't mean
anything to the people who try and will fight in preserving what is left
of our little Goa. Even if we don't win, we will take solace in the fact
that we fought a good fight.  

People can bisect and dissect the emails but that does not change our
thought process. I may have ruffled a few feathers here.. but who the
bleep cares.. 

Blasio


essage: 4
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 15:42:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mario Goveia 
Subject: [Goanet]  Re- Perspective on Migrants in Goa
To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
Message-ID: <874622.39509...@web80505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii


Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 21:19:15 +0400
From: Arwin Mesquita 

Mario pls stop changing the Goalposts,

Mario responds:

The goalposts are still the same.  The UAE, US, UK etc. are countries.
Goa is a state.  You don't seem to know the difference.

ARwin wrote:

your specific query was how can I be a migrant in the UAE and oppose
migrants in Goa

[Goanet] 2009 Calendar for you

[JoeGoaUk]

* G * O * A * N * E * T  C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S *


Sangath, www.sangath.com, is one of Goa's leading NGOs.

Sangath is looking to build a centre for services, training and research
   and is looking to buy land of approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs
   betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas

If you have land to sell, please contact:

contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or phone +91-9881499458


http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html


2009 Calendar for you
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukextras/3744855617/sizes/l/

 
No computer tricks.
the pic you see is taken/scanned  from a Goan daily druing Asian Film Festival 
in Goa.

 
joego...@yahoo.co.uk 

for Goa & NRI related info... 
http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ 

For Goan Video Clips 
http://youtube.com/joeukgoa 

In Goa, Dial  1 0 8 
For Hospital, Police, Fire etc


  

[Goanet] Asia watches long solar eclipse

[Olga Maciel]

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Sangath, www.sangath.com, is one of Goa's leading NGOs.

Sangath is looking to build a centre for services, training and research
   and is looking to buy land of approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs
   betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas

If you have land to sell, please contact:

contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or phone +91-9881499458


http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html




Asia watches long solar eclipse 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8161578.stm
 

In pictures: Solar eclipse over Asia 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_pictures/8162315.stm
 
 
Olga Maciel
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Share your memories online with anyone you want.
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Re: [Goanet] Snake bites

[Gabe Menezes]

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Sangath, www.sangath.com, is one of Goa's leading NGOs.

Sangath is looking to build a centre for services, training and research
   and is looking to buy land of approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs
   betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas

If you have land to sell, please contact:

contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or phone +91-9881499458


http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html


2009/7/22 Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या
fredericknoro...@gmail.com

>
>
> Let me translate that into Goanetspeak: A snake comes ahead of a
> machine, which comes ahead of a migrant kid in my scheme of things! Is
> that correct?
>
> Mario "Voice of Peace and Everything Else Good" Goveia, I hate to
> slink into I-told-you-so'ism, but when I spoke out about Goanetters
> and Colacos, you termed me cycnical or something of that kind :-)
>
> FN
>
>
>
RESPONSE: That bit about the only voice of sanity, blah, blah, blah is
nothing but a false piece of self-aggrandisement, which of course I believe,
but thousands wouldn't!


DEV BOREM KORUM.

Gabe Menezes.
London.