Re: [Goanet] Dynastic politics to stay/response to Mario
Dear Mario, I think we are fundamentally on the same page here. It's true that Nehru led the country on a path to self-destruction with his socialist agenda, but let me put his socialism in context. Nehru although a product of solid western education had a deep suspicion and dislike for all things western (which didn't ofcourse extend to Lady Mountbatten :)) After independence he wanted to distance himself from western ideology on priciple and unfortunately he equated capitalism with western imperialism. Add to this socialism was in its heydays. The stories coming out of Russia of reform and rapid industrialisation were compelling. We now know underneath lay rotting poverty. On the other side of the pond, not even Americans fifty years ago could have dreamed of the affluence that the free market would herald. The free market did two things, it fostered innovation and technology and left the rest of the world behind. Getting back to Mr Kamat. I don't know his writing but through private emails I've been told that he is a BJP sympathiser and his writing shows this bias. The fact that the Nehru family is a political dynasty cannot be contested. But he doesn't provide a context as to why, instead he muddies their reputation in allegations of corruption. India is a country where almost 60% of the population is either illiterate or semi-literate. Their poverty and illiteracy makes them victims of a saviour-complex and they foist their hopes and aspirations onto this family. Indeed Sonia is lovingly embraced by the millions of poor who see her as a genuine person and interested in their welfare. The Nehrus are icons in India. They are part of our history woven into the very fabric of our Indian consciousness. They have given us their daughter and their son, forsaken their families and risked their lives for us. Have you ever heard of Americans speaking ill of Lincoln or Eisenhower or Roosevelt, regardless of the party they belong to? The fact that we as Indians do this frequently is telling of how divided we are as a country and how contemptuous we are of our history. I have only this to say to Mr Kamat. Shame on you, Shame on you indeed. Selma -- --- Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Selma, > > > Unfortunately, what the post-independance Nehru > family, who were heroes and leaders in the fight for > independance, did split was India's business class, > for whom they had the utmost contempt. Instead, > they > implemented Fabian socialism and government > bureaucratic control over India's economy. This > then > held India's economy back, caused the massive brain > drain that has only recently slowed, and did not > benefit most of the country until a new national > hero, > Manmohan Singh, was able to make important > adjustments, which the BJP continued until Manmohan > Singh regained control more recently, this time with > the support of yet another Nehru family member. > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Dynastic politics to stay
Dearest Selma, Unfortunately, for (scientist) Nandkumar Kamat, Atal Behari Vajpayee of his revered BJP is a bachelor and has no hopes in hell of having offsprings inspite of his knees (or should I say one knee) being very weak. And Advani, inspite of his having offsprings of his own, cannot sit on the chair of the Prime Minister of India, inspite of his lifetime dreams, but on the the contrary, he is an immediate candidate for the inside of the Tihar jail for Babri Masjid demolition, and has no hope in hell (again) of creating the dynastic rule that Nehru family of India established. Nandkumar Kamat (for all of his internet based research) botanist et al, must realise that Nehru was the son of Motilal Nehru, an all Indian philantrophist, who, to the envy of most of the affluent British, saw that a chauffer driven rolce-royce each was standing at either gate of the University College where his son was studying, to pick him up, after school, whether he strayed to the North or the South gate. Advani or Vajpayee do not have a hope in hell of doing that, even if they craved for it. Do they indeed?? Therefore, dear Selma, let Nandkumar Kamat break his heart and feel sore over the fact that his immediate dynastic hero (of his dreams) Mr Manohar Parrikar of the RSS-BJP (GOA), in whose presence he would mostly want to wet his pants, will never, repeat, never get re-elected from the Panjim Constituency, even by a freak of fate for Dr. Nandkumar Kamat to prostrate himself, to proclaim his hero's glory. I do hope that Nandkumar Kamat does like to take a toke of any alcohol, the best tha can help is the home-grown feni, to drown his disappointment. And, if you should have a line of communication with Dr. Nandkumar Kamat, tell him that I said so. Floriano Lobo goasuraj - Original Message - From: Carvalho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 10:18 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Dynastic politics to stay Dear Mr Kamat, Although I agree with you that there is a tendency for political dynasties in India, I strongly resent the Nehru family being cited as an example and no other context provided. Please bear in mind that this family has split their blood for India and if the Indian in the village, the Indian in the slum, the India in the factory wishes to believe that this family has their best interests at heart, then more power to them. Afterall, the last time I checked India was a democratic country and elections are held to elect our representations. If you are citing the Nehrus as an example of political dynastic rule then put things in their proper perspective and give us reasons as to why they have remained in power over the decades otherwise your article speaks of nothing more than your own biases. selma - --- "Goa's Pride Goa-World.Com" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: There are numerous > examples > of this, notable among them being the reasons for > the > Gandhi family to remain in politics at various > times > inspite of Rajiv's disinterest, Sonia's > unwillingness > and then the children, Rahul and Priyanka's having > better things to do. Or lately Supriya following in > the tradition and footsteps of her father, the > redoubtable Maratha, Sharad Pawar. Politics > automatically bestows an armour of invincibility on > the individual of being beyond the law, at least as > far as India is concerned. > www.oheraldo.in > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.2/52 - Release Date: 7/19/05 ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Dynastic politics to stay
> --- "Goa's Pride Goa-World.Com" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > There are numerous examples of this, notable > > among them being the reasons for the Gandhi > > family to remain in politics at various times > > inspite of Rajivs disinterest, Sonias > > unwillingness and then the children, Rahul and > > Priyankas having better things to do. Or lately > > Supriya following in the tradition and footsteps > > of her father, the redoubtable Maratha, Sharad > > Pawar. Politics automatically bestows an armour > > of invincibility on the individual of being > > beyond the law, at least as far as India is > > concerned. > > www.oheraldo.in > > --- Carvalho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dear Mr Kamat, > > Although I agree with you that there is a tendency > for political dynasties in India, I strongly resent > the Nehru family being cited as an example and no > other context provided. Please bear in mind that > this family has split their blood for India and if > the Indian in the village, the Indian in the slum, > the India in the factory wishes to believe that > this family has their best interests at heart, then > more power to them. > > Afterall, the last time I checked India was a > democratic country and elections are held to elect > our representations. > Mario observes: > Selma, I think you meant the Nehru family spilled their blood, rather than split their blood. > You are absolutely correct that a country has to respect the wishes of the electorate. Though an electorate in a country with a high illiteracy rate may be swayed by factors that may not turn out to be in their best interests, one hopes that they will adjust with time and experience. If the electorate perpetuates a dynasty, so be it. Furthermore, unlike some dynasties in other countries, no one could accuse the Nehru dynasty of anything but the best of intentions. > Unfortunately, what the post-independance Nehru family, who were heroes and leaders in the fight for independance, did split was India's business class, for whom they had the utmost contempt. Instead, they implemented Fabian socialism and government bureaucratic control over India's economy. This then held India's economy back, caused the massive brain drain that has only recently slowed, and did not benefit most of the country until a new national hero, Manmohan Singh, was able to make important adjustments, which the BJP continued until Manmohan Singh regained control more recently, this time with the support of yet another Nehru family member. > ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Dynastic politics to stay
Dear Mr Kamat, Although I agree with you that there is a tendency for political dynasties in India, I strongly resent the Nehru family being cited as an example and no other context provided. Please bear in mind that this family has split their blood for India and if the Indian in the village, the Indian in the slum, the India in the factory wishes to believe that this family has their best interests at heart, then more power to them. Afterall, the last time I checked India was a democratic country and elections are held to elect our representations. If you are citing the Nehrus as an example of political dynastic rule then put things in their proper perspective and give us reasons as to why they have remained in power over the decades otherwise your article speaks of nothing more than your own biases. selma - --- "Goa's Pride Goa-World.Com" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: There are numerous > examples > of this, notable among them being the reasons for > the > Gandhi family to remain in politics at various > times > inspite of Rajivs disinterest, Sonias > unwillingness > and then the children, Rahul and Priyankas having > better things to do. Or lately Supriya following in > the tradition and footsteps of her father, the > redoubtable Maratha, Sharad Pawar. Politics > automatically bestows an armour of invincibility on > the individual of being beyond the law, at least as > far as India is concerned. > www.oheraldo.in > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Dynastic politics to stay
Dynastic politics to stay S Kamat, Alto Betim Last week Vishwajeet Rane was appointed as the Congress General Secretary. This is yet another indication of the dynastic trend in Indian politics. There is a compulsion among existing political families to have at least one of their members to remain in politics. The logic of the matter is simple. The necessity for this is to protect the family silver. The ill gotten gains that these politicians accumulate over their stint in politics is something that cannot be sneezed at. Such large sums, both in movable and immovable assets, need to be kept safely. The easiest method to do this is to have the family remain in political life. There are numerous examples of this, notable among them being the reasons for the Gandhi family to remain in politics at various times inspite of Rajivs disinterest, Sonias unwillingness and then the children, Rahul and Priyankas having better things to do. Or lately Supriya following in the tradition and footsteps of her father, the redoubtable Maratha, Sharad Pawar. Politics automatically bestows an armour of invincibility on the individual of being beyond the law, at least as far as India is concerned. www.oheraldo.in __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
