Re: [Goanet] Knighthood for Salman Rushdie
WWW.GOANET.ORG *** A N N O U N C E M E N T Launching Goanet-sports - Dedicated to Sports in Goa and Goans in Sports Get your free subscription at: http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-sports-goanet.org Hi George The derogatory term third world was dropped over twenty five years ago in UK universities/institutions and replaced with developing world, developing economies etc. Is this not also true for American institutions trying to minimise/eradicate poor labelling? Cornel George Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- edward desilva wrote: So it is OK to give PADMA SHREEs by a third world country but not OK to bestow honours to people who are inventors, do-ens and public helpers of world fame? The term third-world country is used by the West to denigrate and degrade countries who are struggling to come up. In many cases the West through WTO, IMF, globalization, arms sales, multi-nationals are holding emerging countries back and then turn around and have the gall to call them third-world. India is emerging and its awards do not suffer the illusion of the British OBE, MBE where the E stands for Empire. The British Empire today is the backyard of Buckingham Palace, affectionately referred to as HMB, Her Majesty's Backside. Regards, George -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/attachments/20070627/c6e3c62c/attachment.htm
Re: [Goanet] Knighthood for Salman Rushdie
WWW.GOANET.ORG *** A N N O U N C E M E N T Launching Goanet-sports - Dedicated to Sports in Goa and Goans in Sports Get your free subscription at: http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-sports-goanet.org --- edward desilva [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So it is OK to give PADMA SHREEs by a third world country but not OK to bestow honours to people who are inventors, do-ens and public helpers of world fame? The term third-world country is used by the West to denigrate and degrade countries who are struggling to come up. In many cases the West through WTO, IMF, globalization, arms sales, multi-nationals are holding emerging countries back and then turn around and have the gall to call them third-world. India is emerging and its awards do not suffer the illusion of the British OBE, MBE where the E stands for Empire. The British Empire today is the backyard of Buckingham Palace, affectionately referred to as HMB, Her Majesty's Backside. Regards, George
Re: [Goanet] Knighthood for Salman Rushdie
http://www.GOANET.org International Cuisine Conference on Traditional Asian Diet Panaji, Goa, September 2-5, 2007 - http://www.indologygoa.in Online Media Partner: http://www.goanet.org --- Gabriel de Figueiredo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I equate myself equal, if not better than the whites. If there is work to be done and to be completed, it does not matter what colour my managers or my subordinates are So forget these ideas of superiority and inferiority. Get these complexes out of your system. And get on with life, for goodness sakes! Dear Gabriel, Did you understand what I wrote? More importantly, did you understand what you wrote? Equality in Australia? You mean for the aboriginals? Should they be allowed to get on with life too? And I do celebrate feasts of all saints, be they white, yellow, pink, brown or black. They're Catholic. And that is what matters. Really? And what if the pool of saints has been deliberately restricted to mostly Europeans? Do you think Goans should blindly follow what is fed to them like beggars? As to your last sentence, I cannot think what you're saying. Perhaps you mean Knights of St Columba. No, I meant Christopher Columbus of genocide fame. He was a mass murderer and even though the Knights of Columbus who are named after him do good work, should there be a Hitler's orphanage or a Pol Pot Senior Center or a Mao Tse Tung Home for the Disabled? Regards, George
Re: [Goanet] Knighthood for Salman Rushdie
http://www.GOANET.org International Cuisine Conference on Traditional Asian Diet Panaji, Goa, September 2-5, 2007 - http://www.indologygoa.in Online Media Partner: http://www.goanet.org Dear George, Did you understand what I wrote? I reckon I did. Equality in Australia? You mean for the aboriginals? Should they be allowed to get on with life too? Aboriginals, if they behave themselves and do not indulge in grog, are pretty much respected for what they do. Sportspeople, actors, artists and documentors are examples. Unfortunately, among the uninitiated, concepts of ownership and membership are sometimes confused, and herein lies one of the problems. Education is available more freely for the aboriginals than the whites in remote areas (a type of negative discrimination is practiced whereby the aborigines get taken to school in a community bus or even a plane, but the local whites have to make their own way, sometimes being a drive of a couple of hours each way), if they let themselves and their children to be educated. Repeating a cliche, one can take a horse to the water but cannot make it drink - I am not in anyway comparing a human to an animal, so please understand that this is a way of explanation. There are many of aboriginal descent (but are mostly white in colour, and difficult to discern), and these are the guys who want to make the most use of freebies and handouts available. My wife has to handle a few of these types in her course of work, who take the extra days off for no reason, and come to work maybe 2 days in 5. All training and planned work goes pending, and no one can do a thing about this slackness under pain of being taken to task for discrimination. This is the reality. I might say the same exists in Goa with regard to our own indigenous peoples. Really? And what if the pool of saints has been deliberately restricted to mostly Europeans? I presume you have already approached the diocese and the higher ecclesiastic authorities and complained? There is no point in doing it here. PS I suppose you alredy know it, but I might as well repeat what my mother taught me when I was a child: A saint is/was an ordinary person who does/did ordinary things extraordinarily well. And we ought to emulate the good things that they do/did. And yes, there are unsung and unfeasted saints among us. Cheers, Gabriel de Figueiredo. Melbourne - Australia. Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet] Knighthood for Salman Rushdie
http://www.GOANET.org International Cuisine Conference on Traditional Asian Diet Panaji, Goa, September 2-5, 2007 - http://www.indologygoa.in Online Media Partner: http://www.goanet.org --- George Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suppose if years of colonialism have brainwashed you to think of yourself as second-class to whites, then any white stamp is an honour. This doormat mentality afflicts Goans too including mindless church feasts to celebrate long dead European saints who had no connection or interest in Goa, not to mention membership in the Knights of Columbus (also a mass murderer). Regards, George Not on your nelly mate. I equate myself equal, if not better than the whites. If there is work to be done and to be completed, it does not matter what colour my managers or my subordinates are - if we can do it, we do it, never mind what sort of work is required - everyone pitches in, including . So forget these ideas of superiority and inferiority. Get these complexes out of your system. And get on with life, for goodness sakes! And I do celebrate feasts of all saints, be they white, yellow, pink, brown or black. They're Catholic. And that is what matters. As to your last sentence, I cannot think what you're saying. Perhaps you mean Knights of St Columba. Please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_of_Saint_Columba and further, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Columba. I see no references of this monk being a mass murderer. Gabriel de Figueiredo. Melbourne - Australia. PS The above is my humble opinion and I have no wish to be engaged in a protracted discussion on the above issues. _ Yahoo!7 Mail has just got even bigger and better with unlimited storage on all webmail accounts. http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/unlimitedstorage.html
Re: [Goanet] Knighthood for Salman Rushdie
http://www.GOANET.org International Cuisine Conference on Traditional Asian Diet Panaji, Goa, September 2-5, 2007 - http://www.indologygoa.in Online Media Partner: http://www.goanet.org Hi George Very well said. You express well my own sentiments on this infernal thing called the Royal Family in the UK and how it impinges on all those others who associate themselves with this entirely non-democratic institution/tradition. Cornel George Pinto wrote: --- Sunith D Velho wrote: Now I have to ask, how can it be that this man who has viciously attacked British Imperialism while settled in Britain and Islam inspite of being born Muslim, is now being offered knighthood. Europe will not easily give up its colonial hangover. It sometimes morphs in different neo-colonial ways. One reason Rushdie gets knighted is to use him and to stick it to Muslims and the West's current War on Islam. But is has to be also understood as England's last straws at empire, a minor country on the current world stage in need of America's coat tails to be seen and heard. This annual charade is part of its self-amusement which markets itself with the least employed family in the world (the Royal family) who have been on the public dole for centuries.
[Goanet] Knighthood for Salman Rushdie
http://www.GOANET.org International Cuisine Conference on Traditional Asian Diet Panaji, Goa, September 2-5, 2007 - http://www.indologygoa.in Online Media Partner: http://www.goanet.org So it is OK to give PADMA SHREEs by a third world country but not OK to bestow honours to people who are inventors, do-ens and public helpers of world fame? Secondly does George know about the Economic Climate after England had won the WWII? (I'm not going to start a history lesson here, but he better do some research). All other currencies are below UKs - how about that for a start. Why he is given a Knighrhood has a political undercurrent, UK is not stupid. It is India that is stupid (killed Indira and got our currency from Rs15/-to £ during her time to R80/- today). ED. -- George said: empire, a minor country on the current world stage in need of America's coat tails to be seen and heard. This annual charade is part of its self-amusement which markets itself with the least employed family in the world (the Royal family) who have been on the public dole for centuries... Regards, George
Re: [Goanet] Knighthood for Salman Rushdie
http://www.GOANET.org International Cuisine Conference on Traditional Asian Diet Panaji, Goa, September 2-5, 2007 - http://www.indologygoa.in Online Media Partner: http://www.goanet.org --- Sunith D Velho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now I have to ask, how can it be that this man who has viciously attacked British Imperialism while settled in Britain and Islam inspite of being born Muslim, is now being offered knighthood. Europe will not easily give up its colonial hangover. It sometimes morphs in different neo-colonial ways. One reason Rushdie gets knighted is to use him and to stick it to Muslims and the West's current War on Islam. But is has to be also understood as England's last straws at empire, a minor country on the current world stage in need of America's coat tails to be seen and heard. This annual charade is part of its self-amusement which markets itself with the least employed family in the world (the Royal family) who have been on the public dole for centuries. To be fair, over 400 people have rejected Knighthoods, OBEs, MBEs etc., both within and outside Europe. Their comments in rejecting these awards are illuminating and educational. Fortunately some people have integrity - albeit a small minority. In 2006, I was surprized when Sonia Gandhi accepted the Grand Officer of the Order of Leopold award. King Leopold of Belgium in whose memory the award was made, qualifies as a mass murderer for his role in the Congo (late 19th, early 20th century). Sonia should have spat on the offer of the award but she is European-born and does not see the historial injustice. Instead she becomes a player and pawn in this pitiful tamasha. Of course a number of Indians including the Indian media were thrilled at the award since they need a white person's validation. Any third-rate white award means a whole deal. I suppose if years of colonialism have brainwashed you to think of yourself as second-class to whites, then any white stamp is an honour. This doormat mentality afflicts Goans too including mindless church feasts to celebrate long dead European saints who had no connection or interest in Goa, not to mention membership in the Knights of Columbus (also a mass murderer). Regards, George
Re: [Goanet] Knighthood for Salman Rushdie
http://www.GOANET.org International Cuisine Conference on Traditional Asian Diet Panaji, Goa, September 2-5, 2007 - http://www.indologygoa.in Online Media Partner: http://www.goanet.org On 20/06/07, George Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Europe will not easily give up its colonial hangover. It sometimes morphs in different neo-colonial ways. One reason Rushdie gets knighted is to use him and to stick it to Muslims and the West's current War on Islam. But is has to be also understood as England's last straws at empire, a minor country on the current world stage in need of America's coat tails to be seen and heard. This annual charade is part of its self-amusement which markets itself with the least employed family in the world (the Royal family) who have been on the public dole for centuries... Regards, George RESPONSE: The award was also lacking in sensitivity; drawing further ire from the Muslim World, making the Citizens of the U.K., further game for the Islamists. The Queen's effigy was burnt, although to be fair, she just follows the dictate. Ultimately, Tony Blair is responsible for this. He has ordered a bullet proof Range Rover, for life after, being a P.M., I think he is going to need it ! -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London, England
Re: [Goanet] Knighthood for Salman Rushdie
http://www.GOANET.org International Cuisine Conference on Traditional Asian Diet Panaji, Goa, September 2-5, 2007 - http://www.indologygoa.in Online Media Partner: http://www.goanet.org --- George Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suppose if years of colonialism have brainwashed you to think of yourself as second-class to whites, then any white stamp is an honour. This doormat mentality afflicts Goans too including mindless church feasts to celebrate long dead European saints who had no connection or interest in Goa, not to mention membership in the Knights of Columbus (also a mass murderer). Regards, George --- A lot of mindless things are done in the name of religion and even more mindless things are done to gain acceptance in this world, but I don't think celebrating village feasts is one of them. The poor, hapless souls who celebrate these feasts do not even know who the saints are, their nationality irrelevant to them. They don't have anything to gain by being validated by the white man, nor have they read clever books to realise the redundancy of what they are doing. They are simple people who are trying to propitiate God to intervene in the helplessness of their lives. Until they are transformed by education, they will continue to do so, but we can't assign motives to their veneration. selma Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mailp=summer+activities+for+kidscs=bz
Re: [Goanet] Knighthood for Salman Rushdie..
--- Goanet recommends, and is proud to be associated with, 'Domnic's Goa' - A nostalgic romp through a bygone era. This book is the perfect gift for any Goan, or anyone wanting to understand Goa. Distributed locally by Broadway, near Caculo Island, Panjim internationally by OtherIndiaBookStore.Com. For trade enquiries contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- In a move that will be greatly appreciated by most liberated(err.. liberal) minds, but will further confuse Uncle Roland , Salman Rushdie is to be awarded knighthood. Now I have to ask, how can it be that this man who has viciously attacked British Imperialism while settled in Britain and Islam inspite of being born Muslim, is now being offered knighthood. Who are the hypocrites in this travesty? Salman Rushdie or the British Government. Is the answer perhaps there is no hypocrisy involved in such a stance, unless seen through the eyes of the narrow minded or ill informed. Not that I am comparing Roland's rather harmless hysterics to those we are witnessing from religious fanatics in Pakistan and Iran. So hats-off once again to the former firebrand who was never afraid to tell it like it is(was), though he openly conceeded that he was spared the worst of the indignities inflicted on his brothers. Sunith Velho -- Sunith D Velho [EMAIL PROTECTED]
