Re: [Goanet] Lornas New Album - Dennem
2008/10/4 Eddie Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Dear Roland, Goan Associations have a primary responsibility to their members and do not have the resources to take on a wider role Regards, Eddie Fernandes London, UK RESPONSE: I dearly wish that this was true...it is not. There was a trip to Bournemouth; non members were taken on Board, same cost as members, I heard this from a non member who availed of this wonderful gesture. Goan seamen were rescued and cost the Association some. There are other instances when member's interest was not always held as being paramount. -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London.
Re: [Goanet] Lornas New Album - Dennem
2008/10/5 Eddie Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Dear Gabe, I quite deliberately suggested that Goan Associations have a primary responsibility to their Members Is it your contention that they have an exclusive responsibility to their Members? Eddie Fernandes Dear Eddie, This is what is in the Memorandum and Articles, should the Association wish to deviate, then this should be brought to the members for change. The members who took it on themselves, to help out the Goan seamen had to come cap in hand to the membership for reimbursement. I am not sure the memorandum can be changed, it is the heart of the Constitution; if am I wrong, no doubt, I shall be corrected fortwith. DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London.
Re: [Goanet] Lornas New Album - Dennem
Dear Gabe, I quite deliberately suggested that Goan Associations have a primary responsibility to their Members Is it your contention that they have an exclusive responsibility to their Members? Eddie Fernandes == From: Eddie Fernandes Goan Associations have a primary responsibility to their members and do not have the resources to take on a wider role RESPONSE: I dearly wish that this was true...it is not.
Re: [Goanet] Lornas New Album - Dennem
Dear Gabe, I am expressing a personal view of the role of any overseas Goan Association in any part of the world. What is your personal view? Also, since you are obviously referring to the UK Goan Association, does its memorandum prohibit it from acting in the interests of the Community? I would be most interested in proof of that. Thanks Eddie == -Original Message- From: Eddie Fernandes I quite deliberately suggested that Goan Associations have a primary responsibility to their Members From: Gabe Menezes I am not sure the memorandum can be changed, it is the heart of the Constitution; if am I wrong, no doubt, I shall be corrected fortwith.
Re: [Goanet] Lornas New Album - Dennem
2008/10/5 Eddie Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Dear Gabe, I am expressing a personal view of the role of any overseas Goan Association in any part of the world. What is your personal view? Also, since you are obviously referring to the UK Goan Association, does its memorandum prohibit it from acting in the interests of the Community? I would be most interested in proof of that. Thanks Eddie RESPONSE: Dear Eddie, Memorandum's usually specify what the aspirations should be. It would be highly unusual for a nay specific to be mentioned i.e. the Association cannot help Goans. Rather it does mention that the Association can work together with like minded Associations - now I am writing this, without referring to the Constitution, I do not have it at hand. That does not give carte blanche to the Association... blanket cover powers to pursue all and any encompassing help to Goans willy nilly. There are specifics, I suppose, these were based on the workings of the Goan Clubs in East Africa; these Clubs took care of their members first and foremost. Did not take care of the downtrodden, non member Goans. Only famous and noteworthy Goans, llike Seraphino Antao and Manilie Fernandes, the East African Railways and Harbours Chef who cooked for the Queen, were feted. I believe Manilie was a member of the G.I. Nairobi. To further enlighten, as a rule the so called lower rung goans were not allowed to become members; the cooks and Butlers had their own little club; I think it was called the Santa Cruz Club. The Tailors had their own too, called the Tailors' Society Nairobi. The shempdikars had their own called the Goan Gymkhana Nairobi. Upon the death of a G.I. member an amount was paid to the widow. Although my father died in Goa an amount of money was sent to my mother. The general rule which was adhered to strictly, was that the Goan Associations helped their own members and took the interests of their members first. This I believe was what the Goan Association in the U.K. was modeled on, intentionally or otherwise. As you may or may not know, the bulk of the early members of the Goan Associations i.e. London and Toronto, comprised Goans from East Africa. It must be stated though, that the new formed Associations did not carry the caste baggage with them. If my memory serves me correctly, it was mooted that the Goan Association U.K. would hold a function to raise funds to cover what was paid to the Directors, who helped the Goan Seamen. I do not recall any function being held to this effect, seems to me a case of long on rhetoric and short on action. Now before anyone says I should act instead of writing...I'll state that I was a prominent member from the onset and had it not been for my unsecured loan of £25,000 together with two other members, one of £25,000 and another of £5,000 the Goan Association U.K. might well have been foreclosed. Word had reached the Directors that more than one Member who was owed redemption money because of holding a debenture, was ready to approach the Trustees to liquidate the Association. In fact a present Director's name was mentioned as being one of those who favoured closing the Association down, lock stock and barrel. Now my own views on this do not matter, I would follow the Memorandum and Articles strictly, to not do so could invite not only criticism but also non compliance pursuit through the Courts. -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London.
Re: [Goanet] Lornas New Album - Dennem
From: Gabe Menezes Now my own views on this do not matter ... Pity! Eddie
Re: [Goanet] Lornas New Album - Dennem
From: Roland Francis There are Goan Associations throughout the world who should be rendering such service to Goan artistes. Singers, songwriters, authors, painters and so many others. After all, are such associations meant only to promote grand dances ? Dear Roland, With respect, fine sentiments but have you tried marketing any of these products to the Community yourself? I have twice attempted to act as UK agent for books, selling them at cost + postage (nothing charged for packing or handling) and it was disastrous. I could write a book about my experiences! Goan Associations have a primary responsibility to their members and do not have the resources to take on a wider role. A simpler solution would be for an entrepreneur (are you listening, Cecil?) in Goa to sell such products via ebay with the option of accepting payment via PayPal. There are British expats who have set up businesses in Goa marketing local clothes, costume jewellery, handicrafts etc. As orders are received they buy the items and dispatch them overseas by post. Regards, Eddie Fernandes London, UK
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Hello Eddie, You can buy Goan music online at www.angelav.com we ship worldwide.We have been online for over 15 years now (perhaps India's 1st e-commerce site thanks to Marlon, even before fabmart etc.) Orlando With respect, fine sentiments but have you tried marketing any of these products to the Community yourself? I have twice attempted to act as UK agent for books, selling them at cost + postage (nothing charged for packing or handling) and it was disastrous. I could write a book about my experiences! Goan Associations have a primary responsibility to their members and do not have the resources to take on a wider role. A simpler solution would be for an entrepreneur (are you listening, Cecil?) in Goa to sell such products via ebay with the option of accepting payment via PayPal.
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Apologies Eddie. I realized the fallacy of my post moments after I wrote it. By then it was too late to retrieve. I agree that selling anything to the average Goan even at cost, is a challenge that will drain the most fortituous individual. While there are sensible elements of the community who are grateful to be provided a service like the one you undertook, they are few and far between. Cecil probably knows this. He once complained about some Goans who were asking Domnic (yes, that's the spelling) to write his reminiscences in the form of a book, but didn't buy a copy once Domnic's Goa was published. However Cecil markets to the general disapora, so he would be best placed to do it (with profit). Roland. On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 8:24 AM, Eddie Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Roland, With respect, fine sentiments but have you tried marketing any of these products to the Community yourself? I have twice attempted to act as UK agent for books, selling them at cost + postage (nothing charged for packing or handling) and it was disastrous. I could write a book about my experiences! Goan Associations have a primary responsibility to their members and do not have the resources to take on a wider role.
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Dear Roland, I am also out of Goa...in Saudi Arabia...whenever my Goan friends go on vacation I request them to buy the new CD's for me. Goans in UK/Canada can also check out whose currently travelling to Goa and request the same. The Goan Associations worldwide should also make an attempt to import Konkani Music and then sell them to Goans in respective countries. This can help our Goan artistes to some extent. Dev borem Korum Edward Verdes Chinchinim/Jeddah/Saudi Arabia From: Roland Franci The least I can do is buy her album. Please tell me how I can get it. Regards, Roland. On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 4:17 AM, Edward Verdes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Music House Productions presents Lornas new Album DENNEM'.. Once again Lorna is at her best and all songs are good in this album. I would recommend all Konkani lovers to buy this CD which is available in Goa/Mumbai... Eddie
Re: [Goanet] Lornas New Album - Dennem
Dear Edward, I fully agree. There are Goan Associations throughout the world who should be rendering such service to Goan artistes. Singers, songwriters, authors, painters and so many others. After all, are such associations meant only to promote grand dances ? I would like to meet you when to make a trip to Canada. You are welcome here. Roland. On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Edward Verdes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Roland, I am also out of Goa...in Saudi Arabia...whenever my Goan friends go on vacation I request them to buy the new CD's for me. Goans in UK/Canada can also check out whose currently travelling to Goa and request the same. The Goan Associations worldwide should also make an attempt to import Konkani Music and then sell them to Goans in respective countries. This can help our Goan artistes to some extent. Dev borem Korum Edward Verdes Chinchinim/Jeddah/Saudi Arabia From: Roland Franci The least I can do is buy her album. Please tell me how I can get it. Regards, Roland. On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 4:17 AM, Edward Verdes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Music House Productions presents Lornas new Album DENNEM'.. Once again Lorna is at her best and all songs are good in this album. I would recommend all Konkani lovers to buy this CD which is available in Goa/Mumbai... Eddie -- Roland Francis Toronto +1 (416) 453.3371
[Goanet] Lornas New Album - Dennem
Music House Productions presents Lornas new Album DENNEM'.. Lorna sings 8 songs in this album, music is by Maestro Josinho and songs composed by Neves Oliveira. Once again Lorna is at her best and all songs are good in this album. I would recommend all Konkani lovers to buy this CD which is available in Goa/Mumbai... Aikat Lornachim 8 voznadik kantaram... Here is the teaser mp3...recorded with my voice. http://ishare.rediff.com/filemusic-Dennem--Lornas-New-Album-id-424595.php Dev Borem Korum Eddie
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Hi Edward, Lorna still has her velvet voice. Truly a Goan icon even if she lived most of her life in Bombay. She deserves a purse of at least 5 lakh rupees. She has given us all pleasure with her songs and I think she is not too well off. We NRIs can do that for her. Could you volunteer for it. The least I can do is buy her album. Please tell me how I can get it. Regards, Roland. On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 4:17 AM, Edward Verdes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Music House Productions presents Lornas new Album DENNEM'.. Once again Lorna is at her best and all songs are good in this album. I would recommend all Konkani lovers to buy this CD which is available in Goa/Mumbai... Eddie
