[Goanet] Goanet] Request made under RTI --- FYI
Floriano writes: >He came home the >second time and never went back. He was back to plucking mangoes, coconuts >any odd jobs, painting, white-washing, what have you. Today, he is doing >better than a Dubaikar where he was working for a stevedoring company >loading/unloading ships, a back breaking job, and getting half as much what >he is getting here. Very well said Floriano. Opportunities today are in India, perhaps better than in any other place in the world. That is why, the world's eyes are on India. Surely, opportunities dont come announcing they are opportunities. One needs self-belief more than anything else to grab onto them. There are umpteen number of stories of Indians making it big. In fact, India is one country which has created the highest number of billionaires in the last few years, if at all that is one criteria to go by. regards, Samir PS: I hope I have given enough material to Valmikibab for his next column on Herald. :-)
[Goanet] Request made under RTI --- FYI
Dear Samir, You have made excellent points. I agree entirely with you. There is no contention there The point of contention will come IF a: In Goa Govt posts, qualified Goans are sidelined - unfairly b: In Goa Govt awarded contracts, qualified Goans are sidelined - unfairly c: In the Goa Tourism and other sectors, natural resources (minerals, water, seafood, cashew etc) are consumed, and qualified Goans do not see the benefits either of employment or infrastructure. In fact, I submit that IF the Goa tourism sector fails - Goans will actually benefit from the consequential drop in the prices of staples like fish. All this and NOT to mention, pollution. As far as News Media is concerned, I am fully convinced that 'lackeys' of special interests seeking to brain wash Goans by white washing the environmental et al degradation .must be opposed. It matters little whether they are home-grown lackeys or 'bhaille'. On a related matter I also agree with the sentiment wrt Wendall Rodricks. The best way for Wendall was to have boycotted the TOI function. One cannot have it both ways. jc == Samir Kelekar wrote: (bullet points, mine) [1] Private industry in Karnataka is quiet cosmopolitan where more or less merit rules. [2] The problem with Goa is that there isn't much of private industry in the first place. [3] Of course, things in the govt. are probably different. [4] in KarnatakaPrivate industry is not given undue concessions by the govt. [5] Goans have to realize the above first, secondly fight in the market, rather than complain. [6] Of course, I am fully with Goans when they say that land etc should not be doled out to private industry unnecessarily. [7] But I dont agree with the Goans when they say that there are more outside vendors in the market. Outside vendors survive because Goans are not willing to fight in the market. Outside vendors survive because they give the best bang for the buck.
Re: [Goanet] Request made under RTI --- FYI
Well said that, Samir. Let me endorse what you have said below with a live example. Many years ago I was privy to the chat our handy-man was having with my mom doing some chores in the compound. The gist of the chat was that this guy (young boy) had paid Rs.5000/- to an agent out of total Rs. 10,000/- to go to Dubai. But the promised Rs.5000/- balance was not forthcoming from a certain village lady who seemed to have backed out and put the young boy in a lurch after giving him tall assurances and getting her work done. That night, I asked my mom what Madhu's problem was and she related to me the sorry tale. "Please help the boy" she pleaded with me. I said, go ahead and tell Madhu he is on. My mom was overjoyed. Madhu went to Dubai, came home once, very prosperous. He came home the second time and never went back. He was back to plucking mangoes, coconuts any odd jobs, painting, white-washing, what have you. Today, he is doing better than a Dubaikar where he was working for a stevedoring company loading/unloading ships, a back breaking job, and getting half as much what he is getting here. And the best thing is that Madhu is in heavy demand. He gives appointments. Presently he is painting a bungalow in Carona/Aldona for me on daily wages for almost a month now. He wouldn't normally commit himself for that long with others, but it shows that he is grateful for a favour once done. And my mom never get a 'no' from Madhu. floriano gsrp - Original Message - From: "Samir Kelekar" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 3:59 PM Subject: [Goanet] Request made under RTI --- FYI Goans would prefer to go to Dubai and do a job, rather than be an entreprenuer and slog it out in Goa. That is fine, but then why complain ? regards, Samir
[Goanet] Request made under RTI - FYI
Baba Tony, Who do you think I meant when I wrote the piece (see infra) that you responded to? And did you note the word 'unless' which I am now capitalising in that post - to signify an EXCEPTION in the context of what we were discussing i.e. State Government appointments in Goa! >From your vantage point: Do you believe Ribeiro (whose Divar in-law family I have known since as a child - in Poona) was picked as the first choice - over the heads of the 'sons of the soil' OR was he begged for help when ALL appeared to be near lost? I hope someone else does not do another Moira on me and write about Sunith Rodrigues and his (political) appointment as Gov of Punjab. Shutes Guys, What is it about Moira and Moidekarsduring summer? jc re: 3: I cannot envisage (perhaps you can) a situation where a Goan is picked from somewhere and asked to head a (say) Police force in (say) the Punjab - UNLESS the local chaps have been tried, the situation is getting too hot to handle and there is a Goan elsewhere to do the job (which no local really wants to do). Tony de Sa stated the obvious: "Julio Ribeiro, who is as Goan as a Goan can be was hand picked to head the Police Force in precisely the same state, Punjab when the Akali's made it too hot for the locals to handle ;-) So now you can envisage..."
[Goanet] Request made under RTI --- FYI
>Julio Ribeiro, who is as Goan as a Goan can be was hand picked to head the >Police Force in precisely the same state, Punjab when the Akali's made it >too hot for the locals to handle ;-) >So now you can envisage. Come to Karnataka. In private industry, you will not know if the person is a kannadiga or not. Of course, things in the govt. are probably different. Private industry in Karnataka is quiet cosmopolitan where more or less merit rules. The problem with Goa is that there isn't much of private industry in the first place. Secondly, even if there is, not many Goans want to work there. Why ? We have seen the recent fight in Wockhardt in Cuncolim. Though I dont know the details, I cant imagine such a fight happening in Bangalore's Wockhardt. The following is considered given in Karnataka. That private industry will hire and fire. It is not obliged to create jobs. However, in the same tone, the private industry is not given undue concessions by the govt. Private industry lives and dies with the market. You have a good product, you survive; you have a bad one, you die. You do well, you hire more people, you do badly, you fire them. Goans have to realize the above first, secondly fight in the market, rather than complain. Of course, I am fully with Goans when they say that land etc should not be doled out to private industry unnecessarily. But I dont agree with the Goans when they say that there are more outside vendors in the market. Outside vendors survive because Goans are not willing to fight in the market. Outside vendors survive because they give the best bang for the buck. Goans would prefer to go to Dubai and do a job, rather than be an entreprenuer and slog it out in Goa. That is fine, but then why complain ? regards, Samir
Re: [Goanet] Request made under RTI - FYI
>3: I cannot envisage (perhaps you can) a situation where a Goan is >picked from somewhere and asked to head a (say) Police force in >(say) >the Punjab - unless the local chaps have been tried, the situation is >getting too hot to handle and there is a Goan elsewhere to do the job >(which no local really wants to do). Julio Ribeiro, who is as Goan as a Goan can be was hand picked to head the Police Force in precisely the same state, Punjab when the Akali's made it too hot for the locals to handle ;-) So now you can envisage. -- Tony (Another one of those - a Moidekar) ;-) Tony de Sa Ph: +91 832 2470 148 M: +91 9975162897 E: tonyd...@gmail.com Life is a sexually transmitted disease. - R. D. Laing
Re: [Goanet] Request made under RTI - FYI (floriano)
Dear Augusto You are right about one thing: The Moidekar (i.e. you) needs to sigh, for true. For one, I do not know How it can be "In fact" and "probably" at the same time. But then, English is not my first language. I just might not know. Secondly, it is possible that you have either not read clearly what jc's line of thinking is .or may not have comprehended it in the first place. Just for your info, the following is jc's line of thinking on the matter at hand: 1: If you want a place and/or institution to develop and progress satisfactorily, get the best possible person to head it. Ideally, it will be a person who knows the topography and culture of the place, and not someone who is parachuted into the post de novo. 2: Go through the vetting process to get progressive thinkers and hard-workers, and not just lackeys or friends of the family. 3: I cannot envisage (perhaps you can) a situation where a Goan is picked from somewhere and asked to head a (say) Police force in (say) the Punjab - unless the local chaps have been tried, the situation is getting too hot to handle and there is a Goan elsewhere to do the job (which no local really wants to do). That is my 'line of thinking' - and you are free to criticise my position. Perhaps, you have a better 'line of thinking'. Place it here for all and sundry to see. Instead of just coming out of the wood-work and saying something without corroboration. I will add three points here for the record: a: Floriano Lobo is someone I consider my friend. He is not always right - but he remains my friend. b: I do not know what intra-Moira politics you guys have .I really do not believe I should care - if you have such politics. As far as I am concerned Floriano is and remains my friend. c: I am not sure HOW the GoaNet moderators allowed your post through when you cross-posted it to another list. I am not sure if this was oversight or just over-slight. I will NOT cross post this msg to GX. However, as you have sent it to GX .if it appears there I will post this response on GX nuff said jc === augusto pinto wrote: And in fact there have probably been as many non-Goans who have done good as there have been Goans who have done bad. Don't fall for jc's line of thinking. Sigh - Moidekar te Moidekar. Sigh.
[Goanet] Request made under RTI - FYI (floriano)
Dears For those of you who do not understand the point of FL's RTIs let me explain. He wants to know how many Goa University and NIO administrators and researchers and teachers are Goans and how many are non- Goans. He wants to do this in order to pin all the evils of GU upon the non- Goans. Probably he wants to make amends for the silly things he wrote about the Goa University sexual harassment case. Arre Consu, my fellow Moidekar, you are being unwise. You are being unwise, I repeat, as usual. [Though I wish you were wise - as at least the ignominy of the appellation Moidekar would have lessened a little.] Your exercise is an exercise in futility as whatever else may be said about GU appointments, on paper at least they will all be sound. And in fact there have probably been as many non-Goans who have done good as there have been Goans who have done bad. Don't fall for jc's line of thinking. Sigh - Moidekar te Moidekar. Sigh. Augusto -- Augusto Pinto 40, Novo Portugal, Moira, Bardez, Goa, India E pinto...@gmail.com or ypinto...@yahoo.co.in P 0832-2470336 M 9881126350
[Goanet] Request made under RTI - FYI
-1- FLORIANO C. LOBO 383A Pirazona Moira Bardez Goa-403507 Email: floriano.l...@gmail.com; Tel: Res. (0832) 2470223; (m) 9890470896 BY REGISTERED-AD 12 May, 2009 To, The Public Information Officer [PIO], National Institute of Oceanography [NIO], Dona Paula - Goa. Sir, Subject: Request for information under Sec 6 of RTI Act, 2005. Kindly provide the following information under Section 6 of the Right To Information Act, 2005 and oblige:- Names, designations, educational qualifications, salaries and perquisites of all categories of scientists appointed by the Institute since the year 2000. If these posts were advertised. If so, through which medium. If locally, outside Goa or both, giving details where possible. Thanking you, Yours faithfully, Sd/- Attached: Court Fees of Rs. 10/- (Rupees Ten Only) -2- FLORIANO C. LOBO 383A Pirazona Moira Bardez Goa-403507 Email: floriano.l...@gmail.com; Tel: Res. (0832) 2470223; (m) 9890470896 BY REGISTERED-AD 12 May, 2009 To, The Registrar and PIO Goa University, Dona Paula - Goa. Sir, Subject: Request for information under Sec 6 of RTI Act, 2005. Kindly provide the following information under Section 6 of the Right To Information Act, 2005 and oblige:- The year Goa University was established. Give list of the Vice Chancellors and the period of their posting. Give the list disciplines/courses offered by the Goa University and the year of their introduction. Give list of the heads of departments including the Registrars appointed since the year 2000, their qualifications, salaries and perquisites and how these posts were filled, if through advertisements or otherwise. Give list of lecturers, readers, laboratory heads appointed/engaged/recruited since the year 2000 department-wise along with their qualifications, designations, salaries, perquisites if any. If these posts were advertised. If so, where were they advertised i.e. locally, outside Goa or both and which newspapers. Thanking you, Yours faithfully, Sd/- Attached: Court Fees of Rs. 10/- (Rupees Ten Only)
