[Goanet] Stop Corruption- Paintings by School Children(2)
Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão drferdinando at hotmail.com
RESPOSE : Could Sandeep please clarify
under which University/Educational Board/Institution does the syllabus mention
“Street Rallies” as
extra-curriculum? Anna Hazare University? Or is it Politician’s University?
{Extracurricular activities are activities performed by students that
fall outside the realm of the normal curriculum of school or
university education. Extracurricular activities exist at all levels
of education, from 4th-6th, junior high/high school, college and
university education. Such activities are generally voluntary as
opposed to mandatory, non-paying, social, philanthropic as opposed to
scholastic, and often involve others of the same ageSource:
Wikipedia. }
By its definition itself, the word extra-curricular implies activities
held outside the syllabus of Institutions.
Students from schools/ colleges periodically hold such rallies and
demonstrations. There have been rallies held during religious
festivals, rallies and demonstrations by students to demand bus fare
concessions, rallies to commemorate other important days like World
Environment Day, Sports Day, Anti-Terrorism Day, etc. Then, there are
rallies organised by the Scouts, the Red Cross, the NCC, etc. Rallies
have also been organised by Government Departments to celebrate State
and National occasions. The list is long.
Rallies are perfectly legal and within the constitutional framework,
in all progressive thinking Countries. In Goa as in the rest of India,
rallies have been held frequently from time to time.
Second question: What is it that is tried
to be inculcated into the children by taking them to participate in street
rallies? Politics? Or was it politics/natak to make a show of numbers by
exploiting school children?
Rallies was just one small part of our exercise. All our rallies were
followed by educative talks on the evils of corruption and the need to
combat this deadly disease by enacting strong laws. Majority of the
speeches were given by student leaders themselves who have been an
integral part of our movement, just like the rest of the students.
Then, there have been other events which we have conducted in
Institutions like anti-corruption workshops, Elocution, Essays, Poetry
writing, Art, etc. Students are biceps and triceps of our movement.
They have participated in our movement because they want to do
something for the Country, unlike some who just want to criticize.
Words such as exploitation are figments of your 'biased'
interpretation and your narrow and skewed interpretations of the law.
Anti-corruption and integrity can be taught
in the classroom. It would be very much appreciated if these ACI activist had
discussions on anticorruption and integrity in the schools colleges. It
would expose
who had better knowledge.
We have done that too. It's just that you are selectively reading
posts with biased eyes.
regards,
Sandeep
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re: this from me: Personally speaking, I have very good (researched) reason to believe that Sandeep and Co did NOT seek informed consent FROM the parents of these minor children. Sandeep Heble responded in tur Atya-Patya fashion: The above is false as I have repeatedly stated. School managements and Parents are fully satisfied with the procedures followed by us. RESPONSE: This is my final response to Sandeep on this topic. 1: Until Sandeep has provides evidence that Informed Consent was obtained (i.e. the procedure), I (for one) will maintain that NONE was obtained. 2: I am not going to ask him to prove that 'School managements and Parents' were fully satisfied. In Des, our people are satisfied by anything, including their own Caste discrimination (karma). 3: The main question is this: Was the principle of Autonomy and Self-Determination (Ind Const) satisfied? The answer is NO! 4: The sanctimonious denials having been noted, I am convinced that this was an attempted Redux of the infamous LK PadYatra; Des is not the only place it happens. Besides, history is full of such precursor events. 5: In conclusion: Having regard to the 'Orchestration' in situ, it appears that this 'organised confusion' under the Sati-Savitri pallu of 'anti-corruption', will reap its desired partisan benefits. After that, the Status Quo of corruption WILL continue unabated. No wishes to the existing rats and the snakes who are set to eat them jc
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On Fri, 09 Sep 2011 21:52:36 -0700, Sandeep Heble wrote: Do not try to wrongly contextualize my statement. It was Dr Falcao who argued that students must be confined only to classrooms and must not participate in Rallies. I disagreed while pointing out that they have always participated in rallies before and will participate in rallies so long as Indian laws permit them to. That there is nothing illegal in partaking in such activities. Later, I cited the relevant Constitutional provisions. Now what exactly is wrong in students participating in Rallies? or do you agree with Dr Falcao who believes that extra-curricular activities have no part to play in schooling? RESPOSE : Could Sandeep please clarify under which University/Educational Board/Institution does the syllabus mention “Street Rallies” as extra-curriculum? Anna Hazare University? Or is it Politician’s University? Second question: What is it that is tried to be inculcated into the children by taking them to participate in street rallies? Politics? Or was it politics/natak to make a show of numbers by exploiting school children? Anti-corruption and integrity can be taught in the classroom. It would be very much appreciated if these ACI activist had discussions on anticorruption and integrity in the schools colleges. It would expose who had better knowledge. SH It is a perfectly valid question and a very simple one. Is there any specific procedure under the Indian laws for obtaining such a parental consent? COMMENT : This exposes ignorance of the Law in respect to ‘Informed consent’, which is no excuse!! For your kind info, Majority of Goanetters are experienced and knowledgeable and not DUFFS! Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão.
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Using CORRUPT means to show solidarity against corruption. http://www.indianexpress.com/news/students-picked-up-from-school-gates-for-political-rally/843834/ Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão.
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From: J. Colaco jc cola...@gmail.com After playing 'Atya Patya' with statements like (and I paraphrase) Children have been participating for many years in rallies Education is more than just school etc, Do not try to wrongly contextualize my statement. It was Dr Falcao who argued that students must be confined only to classrooms and must not participate in Rallies. I disagreed while pointing out that they have always participated in rallies before and will participate in rallies so long as Indian laws permit them to. That there is nothing illegal in partaking in such activities. Later, I cited the relevant Constitutional provisions. Now what exactly is wrong in students participating in Rallies? or do you agree with Dr Falcao who believes that extra-curricular activities have no part to play in schooling? Sandeep Heble states (#2) that he obtained 'informed consent from the parents' ...and YET (#1) asks if there is a specific procedure for such an informed consent. It is a perfectly valid question and a very simple one. Is there any specific procedure under the Indian laws for obtaining such a parental consent? Ipso Facto, the term 'Informed Consent' tells you what the procedure should be - in order to make it a Valid Consent. If Sandeep Heble has obtained Informed Consent (as he claims in #2), he will surely advise us - what he did? If NOT, he will continue to play Atya Patya.. School managements are satisfied with the procedures followed. The parents too are perfectly satisfied. Not a single parent has lodged a complaint against the organizers about wrong procedures being followed. So what locus standi does Jose have to speak on their behalf in this matter? Is he the higher authority who can overrule them and decide what is right or wrong? Now if there is a particular special procedure which has been prescribed in the education rules, Jose needs to tell us about it. Else, it is the parents who will decide whether we have met the standards of consent or not. Not third parties. Personally speaking, I have very good (researched) reason to believe that Sandeep and Co did NOT seek informed consent FROM the parents of these minor children. The above is false as I have repeatedly stated. School managements and Parents are fully satisfied with the procedures followed by us. .. and that this (and the meetings) are all about the Carpentry of Kodels. Now Jose is exhibiting his own bias here by giving a political colour and twist to our anti-corruption crusade which is unfair as we took the utmost precautions to ensure that no party propaganda was allowed at our rallies. The PM in his Independence Day address spoke about the need for implementing a strong Lokpal Bill. Now this is all we are asking. This Bill was lying in the Parliament for 40 years. So why is our demand unfair? Why is this being seen as an attempt to overthrow the Government? Perhaps, it is time for another bogus VideoCD and buying some wool. It is considered useful for pulling over the eyes of another. jc Ours is an anti-corruption agitation. It has nothing to do with other issues. regards, Sandeep
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Sandeep Heble was asked simple questions: Did you (guys) obtain informed consent from the parents of the children - for the purpose of attending these rallies, painting competition' etc etc.and IF so How did you go about it? In partisan-political speak, Sandeep Heble has posted (inter alia) two points, one, a question and the other, an answer: [1] Is there any specific procedure to obtain such a consent? If yes, what is that procedure? If you can ask several questions, can you not answer this simple one? [2] If you mean the informed consent of (FROM sic!) their parents, we have obtained that. COMMENT: After playing 'Atya Patya' with statements like (and I paraphrase) Children have been participating for many years in rallies Education is more than just school etc, Sandeep Heble states (#2) that he obtained 'informed consent from the parents' ...and YET (#1) asks if there is a specific procedure for such an informed consent. HELLO !!. Ipso Facto, the term 'Informed Consent' tells you what the procedure should be - in order to make it a Valid Consent. If Sandeep Heble has obtained Informed Consent (as he claims in #2), he will surely advise us - what he did? If NOT, he will continue to play Atya Patya.. Personally speaking, I have very good (researched) reason to believe that Sandeep and Co did NOT seek informed consent FROM the parents of these minor children. .. and that this (and the meetings) are all about the Carpentry of Kodels. Perhaps, it is time for another bogus VideoCD and buying some wool. It is considered useful for pulling over the eyes of another. jc
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School is not all about being in the classrooms and being confined only to the books. Such arguments are wrong and students will be harmed immensely if this line of thinking is actually implemented. Children have always participated in extra-curricular activities like Parades, Rallies, Art workshops, competitions, sports tourneys, etc. This is not the first time they have done that and this wont be the last. They live in a democratic society and they have every right and the freedom to do so. They have every right to participate just like the others. These are their fundamental rights which nobody can take away from them. By using words like exploitation, you are actually violating the spirit of the Constitution and making attempts to deny children their fundamental rights of freedom of expression, peaceful assembly, movement and participation in events which they desire to be a part of. In the present movement against corruption, students have come out wholeheartedly and have not been forced to do anything against their wishes. They care as much about the present state of affairs as do the rest of us. They have written essays and poems, drawn posters, prepared and made speeches, participated in rallies, etc and have been an integral part of the movement, just like the Engineers, the Artists, the Lawyers, the Taxi-Drivers, the Motor-cycle Pilots, the sportspersons and many other groups . The claims of them being forced are at best laughable. The organizers have followed all proper laws and procedures. All our rallies were perfectly legal with permissions obtained from all concerned Government authorities besides the school managements, the students and even the parents. School managements did not hand over the children to us as you falsely claim. They accompanied the students and took them back which is the normal practice. Your arguments therefore do not hold much water. They are false, concocted and baseless. If you want your baseless charges to stick, you will need to try much harder. regards, Sandeep - From: Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falc?o drferdina...@hotmail.com To: goa...@goanet.org, i...@goanet.org Subject: Re: [Goanet] Stop Corruption- Paintings by School Children(2) Message-ID: snt131-w19a987c30568cd8369d7c8cf...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 21:27:56 -0700 Sandeep Heble wrote: 1. All our rallies were organised in a perfectly legal manner including the Student Rallies, with permissions legally obtained from School managements and other authorities like the Collector, Police, etc. Parents were also intimated and due consent was obtained. 2. I do not know which planet Jose and Dr Falcao have been living on. In Goa as in the rest of India, Students have been participating in rallies all the time, whether State supported rallies and parades like the Independence Day or Republic Day or other rallies organised for social causes like environment, terrorism, equality, etc? COMMENT : This further clarifies that ?perfectly legal manner? is not clearly understood. We are talking in respect to the authority anyone can assume over children or students to take them to the streets during school hours when they should be in school. During those hours the child is in the care of the school or College or Institution. And if in those hours it has transferred its responsibility over the child to someone else, it has flouted the role of ?A CARE GIVER? under the Goa Children?s Act 2003. Secondly. Legal definition of Child exploitation refers to the use of children for someone else?s advantage, gratification or profit often resulting in unjust, cruel and harmful treatment of the child, that are to the detrimental to the child?s mental health, education and moral development. And lastly, yes, Jose and I do not know that there is an Indian planet where corruption is the order of the day. So why fight corruption? If irresponsible and illegal methods are followed on the rest of that planet, why not follow it in Goa too, that too to make a show against the corrupt norm by making a show of numbers which otherwise without students would have been just a handful? Political mentality this. Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falc?o.
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From: J. Colaco jc cola...@gmail.com BTW: Do you consider 'organising children without parental informed consent' the ethical thing to do? Now where did I ever say that. Did I not make it clear in my first response itself(and consistently thereafter in several subsequent posts) that we had obtained permissions from all concerned authorities, including the School Management and the parents? Your answers suggest to me that you did NOT (do correct me if I am in error) seek the informed consent of the parents of these children. You are absolutely wrong. Why did you ever come to such conclusions? You can read my earlier responses once again. If you have obtained informed consent, I am sure you will advise us how you went about it. I in turn asked you a simple question. Is there any specific procedure to obtain such a consent? If yes, what is that procedure? If you can ask several questions, can you not answer this simple one? You may also suggest that one does NOT need to obtain informed consent from the parents of minors for non-school matters. I have not made any suggestion of that kind. You can read my earlier responses once again. Those are your words, not mine. If that is your position, I can only wish you well. That may be your position. Not mine. I wish everyone well. Oh Yes you might also indicate to us the Law which allows you to invite school children (not your own) to participate in rallies etc without the informed consent of their children. jc If you mean the informed consent of their parents, we have obtained that. regards, Sandeep --
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On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 21:27:56 -0700 Sandeep Heble wrote: 1. All our rallies were organised in a perfectly legal manner including the Student Rallies, with permissions legally obtained from School managements and other authorities like the Collector, Police, etc. Parents were also intimated and due consent was obtained. 2. I do not know which planet Jose and Dr Falcao have been living on. In Goa as in the rest of India, Students have been participating in rallies all the time, whether State supported rallies and parades like the Independence Day or Republic Day or other rallies organised for social causes like environment, terrorism, equality, etc… COMMENT : This further clarifies that “perfectly legal manner” is not clearly understood. We are talking in respect to the authority anyone can assume over children or students to take them to the streets during school hours when they should be in school. During those hours the child is in the care of the school or College or Institution. And if in those hours it has transferred its responsibility over the child to someone else, it has flouted the role of ‘A CARE GIVER” under the Goa Children’s Act 2003. Secondly. Legal definition of Child exploitation refers to the use of children for someone else’s advantage, gratification or profit often resulting in unjust, cruel and harmful treatment of the child, that are to the detrimental to the child’s mental health, education and moral development. And lastly, yes, Jose and I do not know that there is an Indian planet where corruption is the order of the day. So why fight corruption? If irresponsible and illegal methods are followed on the rest of that planet, why not follow it in Goa too, that too to make a show against the corrupt norm by making a show of numbers which otherwise without students would have been just a handful? Political mentality this. Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão.
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The rather defensive and possibly discourteous which planet comment (see APPENDIX at foot of this msg) having been noted, Sandeep Heble also wrote: .All our rallies were organised in a perfectly legal manner including the Student Rallies, with permissions legally obtained from School managements and other authorities like the Collector, Police, etc. Parents were also intimated and DUE CONSENT was obtained. RESPONSE: Dear Sandeep, I have no doubt that 'you' organised all your rallies in a 'perfectly legal manner' and that you also 'legally obtained' whatever permissions you needed from the School and Civilian authorities. I have no problem with that. I do, however, wonder why you have, perhaps inadvertently, ducked some of the questions put to you. You are, after all, one of the orgamisers - Are you not? Should you not be asked questions about a public event you are organising or have organised? You have also been asked a simple question wrt CONSENT. You may choose to answer it or to ignore it. You may also choose the 'partisan political' technique of attacking the one who dares to ask a question. Once again, the Question: Would Sandeep please provide us with details of the Consent Process USED wrt the 'organised participation' of minor school children at non-school events? jc APPENDIX: The Which Planet statement by Sandeep Heble: I do not know which planet Jose and Dr Falcao have been living on. In Goa as in the rest of India, Students have been participating in rallies all the time, whether State supported rallies and parades like the Independence Day or Republic Day or other rallies organised for social causes like environment, terrorism, equality, etc… jc COMMENT on the APPENDIX: Perhaps. But that changes the price of 'bhaji puri' or 'garam chai' as much as the fact that Child Labour has been used for thousands of years..on the 'planet' Sandeep is possibly talking about.
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If Jose or Dr Falcao or anybody else feels that we have broken Indian laws by organizing student rallies, they must point out the specific provisions of law which, according to them, we may have violated. All that they have done so far is to make vague and ambiguous claims which are actually contrary to the existing laws of the land and the spirit of the Indian Constitution. Such claims are, needless to say, baseless and ridiculous to say the least. The Constitution of India guarantees every citizen several fundamental rights including the Rights to freedom of speech and expression and peaceful assembly or movement and children too are as much citizens of our Country as the others. Before I answer Jose's questions, Could he please tell us what kind of consent is required from the parents and under what provisions of law. regards, Sandeep I do, however, wonder why you have, perhaps inadvertently, ducked some of the questions put to you. You are, after all, one of the orgamisers - Are you not? Should you not be asked questions about a public event you are organising or have organised? You have also been asked a simple question wrt CONSENT. You may choose to answer it or to ignore it. You may also choose the 'partisan political' technique of attacking the one who dares to ask a question. Once again, the Question: Would Sandeep please provide us with details of the Consent Process USED wrt the 'organised participation' of minor school children at non-school events? jc
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Sandeep Heble wrote: Before I answer Jose's questions, Could he please tell us what kind of consent is required from the parents and under what provisions of law. Dear Sandeep, A child is a minor and hence cannot be made/invited to do anything without the informed consent of his/her parents. You know of any law which allows you to do so, please enlighten me. The need for a valid consent is based on the principles of autonomy and self determination (please vide Art 21 Constitution of India). Does Goa NO LONGER have an Age of Consent on its law books? BTW: Do you consider 'organising children without parental informed consent' the ethical thing to do? As the 'organisers' have taken (rightly IMHO) the high ethical road wrt corruption, I would have thought that they would have taken the high ethical ground period. Your answers suggest to me that you did NOT (do correct me if I am in error) seek the informed consent of the parents of these children. If you have obtained informed consent, I am sure you will advise us how you went about it. If you did not, you might just play atya-patya with me on this matter. You may also suggest that one does NOT need to obtain informed consent from the parents of minors for non-school matters. If that is your position, I can only wish you well. Oh Yes you might also indicate to us the Law which allows you to invite school children (not your own) to participate in rallies etc without the informed consent of their children. jc
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re: whether non-coerced CONSENT was obtained from their parents wrt their participation at non-school events. Sandeep Heble noted: Consent was obtained. Nobody was forced. Dr. Falcao wrote: I do not expect anyone on goanet to believe this. RESPONSE: I implicity trust Sandeep Heble as he is IMHO an honourable individual. If he says that Nobody was 'forced', I believe it. However, this is not about me or Sandeep. It is about the 'system', as Sandeep has so rightly stated. So, perhaps, Sandeep will advise us about the transparent process by which this consent was obtained. Sure, there is a process by which a Valid Consent is obtained wrt Minors. It is different (vastly different) from the process involved in the Volutarily-Enforced Goa Bandh that Sandeep may or may not have (emotionally) supported. In this anti-Corruption stir, Sandeep and Co organised to meet at a 'memorial' for a former Goa politician. Was it because the site was convenient or well known, OR was Sandeep attempting to convey the impression that the politician was not corrupt? While waiting for a Sandeep response, I will invite myself to read the following http://tinyurl.com/bandhObus5 Katlick made VideoCD revisited http://tinyurl.com/bandhObus6 Rent some Disordeiros http://tinyurl.com/bandhObus7 Ghuspott Phuspott jc ps: I know, I know some Oath queries are also outstanding.
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1. All our rallies were organised in a perfectly legal manner including the Student Rallies, with permissions legally obtained from School managements and other authorities like the Collector, Police, etc. Parents were also intimated and due consent was obtained. 2. I do not know which planet Jose and Dr Falcao have been living on. In Goa as in the rest of India, Students have been participating in rallies all the time, whether State supported rallies and parades like the Independence Day or Republic Day or other rallies organised for social causes like environment, terrorism, equality, etc. There were so many rallies organised during Gujarat and Orissa riots. Students too are citizens of this Country and so long as the State permits such rallies and does not hold them illegal, students will always come out on the streets whenever they are allowed to. I do not think anybody else has the right to take away such rights from them. 2. I myself have participated in so many rallies as a student, sold raffles to raise funds for my school, etc. There are two ways at looking at this - one: that the school management forced us to do this and two: that we could contribute in our own little way for a good cause which is what most of us thought and did. 3. There has been no political propaganda at any of our rallies. The only politicians who were there were Matanhy Saldanha and Christopher Fonseca, but they were there more in their roles as activists. 4. I have not organised any Rally for any Politician. I do not know what Jose is talking about. 5. I have moved around in at least 25 different schools and colleges from Panjim and other surrounding areas and I do know that students too feel a lot about this corruption issue and want to do something about it. They wrote essays, poems, drew paintings, participated in debates, Elocution and rallies in a big manner. All across the Country they had a major role to play in this movement with none of them being forced to participate in any manner whatsoever. regards, Sandeep -- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 07:24:36 -0400 From: J. Colaco jc cola...@gmail.com To: goa...@goanet.org Subject: Re: [Goanet] Stop Corruption- Paintings by School Children(2) Message-ID: caa-ye9yjhr7xefpcvopozbq5uvwpgqbelxle7yekyjt180p...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 re: whether non-coerced CONSENT was obtained from their parents wrt their participation at non-school events. Sandeep Heble noted: Consent was obtained. Nobody was forced. Dr. Falcao wrote: I do not expect anyone on goanet to believe this. RESPONSE: I implicity trust Sandeep Heble as he is IMHO an honourable individual. If he says that Nobody was 'forced', I believe it. However, this is not about me or Sandeep. It is about the 'system', as Sandeep has so rightly stated. So, perhaps, Sandeep will advise us about the transparent process by which this consent was obtained. Sure, there is a process by which a Valid Consent is obtained wrt Minors. It is different (vastly different) from the process involved in the Volutarily-Enforced Goa Bandh that Sandeep may or may not have (emotionally) supported. In this anti-Corruption stir, Sandeep and Co organised to meet at a 'memorial' for a former Goa politician. Was it because the site was convenient or well known, OR was Sandeep attempting to convey the impression that the politician was not corrupt? While waiting for a Sandeep response, I will invite myself to read the following http://tinyurl.com/bandhObus5 Katlick made VideoCD revisited http://tinyurl.com/bandhObus6 Rent some Disordeiros http://tinyurl.com/bandhObus7 Ghuspott Phuspott jc ps: I know, I know some Oath queries are also outstanding. --
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On 3 September 2011 05:55, cormolcar cola...@yahoo.com wrote: I am happy that children are being encouraged to do the above. Writing, Painting and Speaking are all beneficial activites. I am concerned, however, about two elements: One present, the Other missing. PRESENT: Participation in rallies. Is this a platform for partisan political persuasion? No. This is a platform for a strong Lokpal Law against corruption. Not for or against any Political party. Who will choose the speakers at these rallies? Who will be funding these rallies? Will the organisers declare their 'non-corruption' status under oath - before they are allowed to speak or otherwise participate in these rallies? Will these children be BUSED in and otherwise ENCOURAGED (refreshments etc will be provided) to attend the rallies? All the rallies have been non-partisan. Most of the speakers who spoke at these rallies were the same ones who had spoken at the 'GBA' or the 'GRA' Rallies, which too were on specific issues like the Regional Plan or the SEZs and not for or against any particular party in particular. This Rally too was against the issue of corruption, not a Political Party propaganda. In this particular Rally, majority of the speakers who spoke were students themselves. Teachers and principals also spoke. Nobody was forced. Consent was obtained from all concerned including their parents. Organizers spent their own money. An anti-corruption oath was taken at the Martyrs memorial. I am assuming that as these are children, non-coerced CONSENT has been obtained from their parents wrt their participation at non-school events. Or, is it likely that participation has been/ is/ will be as voluntary as the 'enforced Goa bandh'? Consent was obtained. Nobody was forced. There were no political slogans for or against any political outfit. Only slogans like Anna Hazare Zindabad, Bharat Mata ki Jai, Vande Mataram and Jai Hind filled the air. There was a sense of jubilation and a festive atmosphere all round. The students were extremely happy that they had contributed in some way or the other in this crusade against corruption. They were accorded a royal welcome when they arrived. MISSING: Probably the most crucial element in the drive against corruption. i.e. A declaration (by their parents who are providing the consent) that they themselves have not been corrupt, are not corrupt and (by the children) that they will not seek personal advancement via corrupt means. An oath was taken at the martyr's memorial but in any case, ours is a fight against the system rather than against any particular individual actually. For, it is one thing to call out the name of Mahatma Gandhi and Anna Hazare (and Jesus Christ for that matter), it is another to practice the sacrifice and simplicity of their lifestyles. This Rally was not about moral preaching. Ours was a rally called out to demand a strong Lokpal. Even Gandhi fought for strong laws to combat untouchability. If Not: It will be like going to church/satsanghs etc every-whenever and listening to boring (or fiery) platitude-filled sermaos/bhashans from corrupt priests and other alleged GodMen (and we all know that there are corrupt folks among this lot) or listening to Politicians who will point 1 finger at another politician even though 4 fingers could well be pointing towards the SadhuSant/Saint himself. Exactly our point. Ours is therefore a fight against the system rather than being for or against any political party. We want a strong system to be put in place. We are fighting for a strong citizens charter with strong penalties imposed on those officials who do not deliver services to the public within the stipulated time prescribed in the charters. There are absolutely NO lead individuals in their group who are tainted with coruption..and that ALL funding is non-Kala Pani. To the best of my knowledge, nobody is tainted with corruption. The IAC has declared the source of their funding on their website. More details will be uploaded shortly. In our rallies, each of us contributed. regards, Sandeep
Re: [Goanet] Stop Corruption- Paintings by School Children(2)
On Sat, 03 Sep 2011 23:38:20 -0700, Sandeep Heble wrote : … I am assuming that as these are children, non-coerced CONSENT has been obtained from their parents wrt their participation at non-school events. Or, is it likely that participation has been/ is/ will be as voluntary as the 'enforced Goa bandh'? Consent was obtained. Nobody was forced. There were no political slogans for or against any political outfit. Only slogans like Anna Hazare Zindabad, Bharat Mata ki Jai, Vande Mataram and Jai Hind filled the air. There was a sense of jubilation and a festive atmosphere all round. The students were extremely happy that they had contributed in some way or the other in this crusade against corruption. They were accorded a royal welcome when they arrived. COMMENT: I do not expect anyone on goanet to believe this. Maybe if this was published in the local dailies, some readers may have believed. Does Sandeep know the gravity and legal implications of consent for a minor? Is Sandeep trying to say that either the children brought a written note from their parents to the principal stating they may be allowed to join street rallies? Or that they (the IAC activists) personally met the parents of the minors and have their written consent with them? We have seen recently a spurt of self proclaimed social workers, activists and leaders of the masses in Goa, when none of them have the knowledge of the basic Laws governing the country; nor any foresight. Just a hindsight that some parent is backing them. I do not blame them, their intentions may be good; but when one cannot foresee the outcome of their deeds, they are in for deep trouble themselves and also carry their followers along with them. Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão.
[Goanet] Stop Corruption- Paintings by School Children(2)
To express solidarity with Anna Hazare and India Against Corruption's Nation-wide Anti-Corruption crusade, JCI St. Inez, a Youth organization, backed by IAC Goa Unit, visited various Schools and Colleges from Panaji and other surrounding areas. Students from these Institutions were encouraged and urged to join the Nationwide crusade against corruption by participating in Rallies, writing Essays, Poems, Painting Posters, etc. In the first round, around 25 schools were covered. Jaycee Clubs from other parts of Goa have also been visiting Institutions in their respective areas. Around 200+ Schools/ Colleges will be covered within the next few days. Some of the best drawings from all the submissions are available here. A few were uploaded earlier. These are some more while the others will be uploaded shortly. (Event coordinators- Sandeep Heble and Kapil Borkar) Pictures of Child Art Drawings on the Anti-corruption theme are available at: http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.2363820933413.137511.1187066172l=a56d8bcd9btype=1 The pictures uploaded earlier at: http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.2349220568413.136931.1187066172l=b8ca165b7btype=1 regards, Sandeep
Re: [Goanet] Stop Corruption- Paintings by School Children(2)
On Sat, 03 Sep 2011 04:41:28 -0700, Sandeep Heble wrote:… JCI St. Inez, a Youth organization, backed by IAC Goa Unit, visited various Schools and Colleges from Panaji and other surrounding areas. Students from these Institutions were encouraged and urged to join the Nationwide crusade against corruption by participating in Rallies,… COMMENT: This exposes how CORRUPT minds can do whatever they want with impunity. No one has a right, not even Schools and Colleges to urge students and minors to join rallies on the streets. It exposes how many corrupt call themselves “India Against Corruption”, at least in Goa. Children here are being exploited for certain people’s private agenda which is illegal. Corruption in India is not the child’s concern, on the contrary it is the adult’s duty to instil discipline and integrity in a child in their formative years. A classic example of things to come, where we’ll need police to police the police. Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão.
Re: [Goanet] Stop Corruption- Paintings by School Children(2)
Sandeep Heble wrote: Students from these Institutions were encouraged and urged to join the Nationwide crusade against corruption BY participating in Rallies, writing Essays, Poems, Painting Posters, etc. In the first round, around 25 schools were covered. COMMENT: I am happy that children are being encouraged to do the above. Writing, Painting and Speaking are all beneficial activites. I am concerned, however, about two elements: One present, the Other missing. PRESENT: Participation in rallies. Is this a platform for partisan political persuasion? Who will choose the speakers at these rallies? Who will be funding these rallies? Will the organisers declare their 'non-corruption' status under oath - before they are allowed to speak or otherwise participate in these rallies? Will these children be BUSED in and otherwise ENCOURAGED (refreshments etc will be provided) to attend the rallies? I am assuming that as these are children, non-coerced CONSENT has been obtained from their parents wrt their participation at non-school events. Or, is it likely that participation has been/ is/ will be as voluntary as the 'enforced Goa bandh'? MISSING: Probably the most crucial element in the drive against corruption. i.e. A declaration (by their parents who are providing the consent) that they themselves have not been corrupt, are not corrupt and (by the children) that they will not seek personal advancement via corrupt means. For, it is one thing to call out the name of Mahatma Gandhi and Anna Hazare (and Jesus Christ for that matter), it is another to practice the sacrifice and simplicity of their lifestyles. If Not: It will be like going to church/satsanghs etc every-whenever and listening to boring (or fiery) platitude-filled sermaos/bhashans from corrupt priests and other alleged GodMen (and we all know that there are corrupt folks among this lot) or listening to Politicians who will point 1 finger at another politician even though 4 fingers could well be pointing towards the SadhuSant/Saint himself. I also wish to make special mention of three sets of people (one set I consciously ignore, the other two I am involved with): Set One: Politicians: I stay far away from them. btw: I do not believe that there are non-corrupt politicians in Goa. (Leaving aside his family member from this discussion - I believe she is more of Social Activist than a politician), I invite Sandeep to name One non-Corrupt Goa politician. Before he names that person, I am sure he will have done the needful due diligence. Set Two: I have NO place in my heart or in my home for unetical and crooked lawyers who strip the unaware of their land and money by way of title-swiping or 'continuance' of cases before the courts. I have the same feeling towards disordeiro lawyers who will reveal or cause to reveal the identity of their minor clients. I also have NO place in my heart or in my home for unethical and crooked doctors who rip the pockets of their patients, perform unnecessary procedures for gain, receive gifts from drug companies and REVEAL medical details (not required by court) about living or dead individuals; details which they may have come to discern by way of their work. I draw particular attention to the unethical release of sexual details of the hapless athlete who comitted suicide a few years ago or findings of vaginal examination in alleged sexual molestation cases. While I can understand the lurid territory of politics and the 'mostest honesht' folks who inhabit it, I absolutely detest corrupt and unethical lawyers and doctors. Before I conclude this post, I wish to express the following hope: that Sandeep Heble or whoever else is leading this drive will publicly declare (and submit to further examination), the following: There are absolutely NO lead individuals in their group who are tainted with coruption..and that ALL funding is non-Kala Pani. IF NOT: Please allow me to classify this as Partisan Gas. sincerely jc
