[Goanet] The alleged Baby scandal
Roland, I compliment you on your ability to create smoke and mirrors and erect strawmen to get out of a tight situation. After making false, baseless and unsubstantiated allegations about the financial affairs of the MoC, you now progress to falsely attributing statements to Bishop Mascarenhas that he is backing away from his original position. Please provide evidence of the same. Your naivety of how Indian administration functions is glaring. For your kind information, appointments, especially under BJP rule, to many bodies are political. Specially in sensitive areas like education, media, home, security, social welfare. The BJP govt in Jharkhand is especially hostile because it wants to give away land belonging to adivasis to business moguls which the Church is resisting. It is yet to be established whether the helper was acting on her own or was set-up. But it is unfair to jump to negative conclusions without a fair inquiry. That the BJP has a hand in the matter is obvious when a single incident is blown out of all proportion. Now the BJP govt is shutting down all the homes, threatening to freeze the bank accounts, ordering investigation whether the funds were used for conversions etc. All point to nothing but persecution. You continue making false, baseless and unsubstantiated accusations like "Remember, these accounts will have been filed by an organization whose founder when asked about the funds received, replied that she was answerable only to Jesus Christ.". Please provide credible evidence that she said this. Your honour is at stake. You as an NRI can make application under RTI. I am providing you the link which will help you. This is a test of your sincerity of putting words into action. http://nriinformation.com/nri_guide/rti.htm Regards, Marshall
Re: [Goanet] The alleged Baby scandal
Marshall, even Bishop Theodore Mascarenhas the in-situ chief spokesman of the Sisters of Charity is slowly backing away from his initial total denial while you are adding more blindfolds to yourself instead of peeling back the onion skins. Initially I put it down to the BJP witch-hunting of religious minorities and police incompetence. However it is reported the whole thing blew up when a couple who had paid for a baby didn’t get it and filed a police complaint. Therefore the BJP had no hand in starting the scandal and they have not taken advantage of it yet with their usual loose cannons keeping their mouths shut. At your request I would have been happy to file an RTI. Unfortunately, neither a foreign citizen nor an OCI is permitted to do so. In lieu, can you provide me with a copy of what you claim is their publicly filed statements of accounts. I like many others will be most interested to know the figures they contain. Remember, these accounts will have been filed by an organization whose founder when asked about the funds received, replied that she was answerable only to Jesus Christ. Conveniently missing was the injunction to her from Christ to render to Caesar what is Caesar’s. You accuse me of vitiating the atmosphere. The only vitiation of atmospheres have been done by those who have sold babies and raped nuns and women for a very long time without the Church doing much about it. See: http://www.thejournal.ie/us-adoptions-ireland-1950s-royal-irish-academy-3150953-Jan2017/ https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/thiruvananthapuram/Former-Nuns-autobiography-to-expose-Catholic-Churchs-crisis-in-Kerala/articleshow/12476427.cms FYI I may respect what Julio Ribeiro has to say on the matter. Thus far he has said nothing. I have no more to say until after the police and Govt or judicial inquiries into the matter have been completed. Roland Francis Toronto. > On Jul 19, 2018, at 10:16 PM, Marshall Mendonza wrote: > > Roland, > > I am amazed at your turning legal jurisprudence upside down. In legal > jurisprudence a person is considered innocent unless PROVEN guilty. And > here you are proclaiming a person/ institution guilty unless proven > innocent. That too on baseless, unsubstantiated allegations. > > Your response is like rubbing salt into raw wounds when you once again > insinuate that the accounts of the Missionaries of Charity are colourable > or suspect. For your kind information the accounts are audited and filed > with the Income Tax, Charity Commissioner, and the govt FCRA dept. All > receipts come in through banking channels and the banks file regular > reports with the govt. > > The allegations you have made and repeated have not even been made by a > hostile government. They are definitely over the top and absolutely > inappropriate. > > If you sincerely desire to know the facts, you can easily file an RTI > application and you will be provided with the information and documents. An > RTI application costs only Rs 100. Your sincerity is now put to the test. > > So far as criticism of St Mother Teresa or her work is concerned, I have no > problem. In a free world where everyone is entitled to their opinions or > views, even the nutcases, I have no issues. Armchair critics come a dime a > dozen. As one who has seen, witnessed and experienced the holiness and work > of St Mother Teresa, I speak from personal conviction. The day her critics > clean the maggot infested wounds of a destitute, or tend to leprosy > patients or provide love and affection to the severely mentally and > physically challenged, or provide care and warmth to abandoned babies that > is the day, I will give some credence to the critics. > > I have high regard and respect for you and consider you a gentleman. I > would request you to ruminate over what you have written and if convinced > that you have acted unfairly do the decent thing and withdraw your > unsubstantiated allegations and apologise. > > We need to make the world a better place and not vitiate the atmosphere. > > No hard feelings. > > Regards, > > Marshall > > > > > > > > > > *I am ready to apologize for repeating an allegation that already exists in > the public domain about the lack of financial transparency of the Sisters, > if you provide evidence that this is not so. An annual statement of their > operations will do for this purpose.Few deny that nuns doing charitable > work provide ?yeoman service?. However, you will also find few people who > have not experienced their hard nose for money. In my previous posts I have > been even-handed about the alleged baby trafficking. Read those posts > again. However, if you want me to give unqualified support to the > Missionaries of Charity, I will await the outcome of the inquiry before I > do that.Roland FrancisToronto. *
[Goanet] The alleged Baby scandal
Roland, I am amazed at your turning legal jurisprudence upside down. In legal jurisprudence a person is considered innocent unless PROVEN guilty. And here you are proclaiming a person/ institution guilty unless proven innocent. That too on baseless, unsubstantiated allegations. Your response is like rubbing salt into raw wounds when you once again insinuate that the accounts of the Missionaries of Charity are colourable or suspect. For your kind information the accounts are audited and filed with the Income Tax, Charity Commissioner, and the govt FCRA dept. All receipts come in through banking channels and the banks file regular reports with the govt. The allegations you have made and repeated have not even been made by a hostile government. They are definitely over the top and absolutely inappropriate. If you sincerely desire to know the facts, you can easily file an RTI application and you will be provided with the information and documents. An RTI application costs only Rs 100. Your sincerity is now put to the test. So far as criticism of St Mother Teresa or her work is concerned, I have no problem. In a free world where everyone is entitled to their opinions or views, even the nutcases, I have no issues. Armchair critics come a dime a dozen. As one who has seen, witnessed and experienced the holiness and work of St Mother Teresa, I speak from personal conviction. The day her critics clean the maggot infested wounds of a destitute, or tend to leprosy patients or provide love and affection to the severely mentally and physically challenged, or provide care and warmth to abandoned babies that is the day, I will give some credence to the critics. I have high regard and respect for you and consider you a gentleman. I would request you to ruminate over what you have written and if convinced that you have acted unfairly do the decent thing and withdraw your unsubstantiated allegations and apologise. We need to make the world a better place and not vitiate the atmosphere. No hard feelings. Regards, Marshall *I am ready to apologize for repeating an allegation that already exists in the public domain about the lack of financial transparency of the Sisters, if you provide evidence that this is not so. An annual statement of their operations will do for this purpose.Few deny that nuns doing charitable work provide ?yeoman service?. However, you will also find few people who have not experienced their hard nose for money. In my previous posts I have been even-handed about the alleged baby trafficking. Read those posts again. However, if you want me to give unqualified support to the Missionaries of Charity, I will await the outcome of the inquiry before I do that.Roland FrancisToronto. *
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On Thu, 7/19/18, Marshall Mendonza wrote: At the outset, I have intentionally changed the Bye-line adding the word 'alleged' since that is a factual position. -snip- It is unfortunate that you give greater credence to unsubstantiated allegations than the track record of over 50 years of a congregation who have rendered yeoman service not only in India but all over the world , some in extremely difficult circumstances like Yemen, Iraq and Syria. Your insinuation that funds are laundered breaking all laws is in my humble view very inappropriate and as a gentleman I would expect you to withdraw this remark and apologise. ———- Marshall, It is quite clear that in the era of Donald Trump, people will constantly make absurd claims - and then counterclaims - sometimes on the same day, just to be in the limelight. The more absurd their claim, the longer they like defending them. I rarely agree with you but once every five years or so, you will post something that I agree 100% with. Furthermore, I am sure that there are very few here who have already jumped to a conclusion on what is happening/happened in this scandal. I have been into a MOC orphanage in Africa. Anyone who spends a few hours in one, will leave as a changed or much better person. Those who have not seen one, will remain pseudo keyboard artists with spurious views. Lastly, it takes a lot of donations to feed the destitute everyday. I do not fault the MOC for being aggressive in that department. The alternative would be starvation. Mervyn
Re: [Goanet] The alleged Baby scandal
Marshall, no need to get on your high horse. “Objectivity is a search for the truth despite the conclusions that come from it” said the late Christopher Hitchens who personally visited the Ashram in Calcutta of the Missionaries of Charity and is the commentator in this video. https://youtu.be/NJG-lgmPvYA Many credible Indians too have made similar allegations about the Charity. You will find them on easy reference. I am ready to apologize for repeating an allegation that already exists in the public domain about the lack of financial transparency of the Sisters, if you provide evidence that this is not so. An annual statement of their operations will do for this purpose. Few deny that nuns doing charitable work provide “yeoman service”. However, you will also find few people who have not experienced their hard nose for money. In my previous posts I have been even-handed about the alleged baby trafficking. Read those posts again. However, if you want me to give unqualified support to the Missionaries of Charity, I will await the outcome of the inquiry before I do that. Roland Francis Toronto. > On Jul 19, 2018, at 5:38 AM, Marshall Mendonza wrote: > > Roland, > > At the outset, I have intentionally changed the Bye-line adding the word > 'alleged' since that is a factual position. > > I do not know whether you have worked in a supervisory position or have > been self-employed. Anyone who has worked in a supervisory position works > on trust of his subordinates. It is difficult to micromanage every action. > Hence there is always a risk of something going awry for which the buck > stops at the supervisor. In the instant case, based on available > information, this is what happened. It is always easy to comment on > hindsight but difficult to predict what each subordinate is capable of > doing. The helper was working with the Missionaries since 2012 and > obviously earned their trust. That she betrayed the trust or was used in a > set-up will be known in due course. > > Your remaining comments flow from ignorance of ground realities. Things do > not work here as in Canada. One is always at the mercy of the authorities > who do not give acknowledgements, search without warrants, take signatures > on blank sheets of paper, coerce and torture those in custody to give > confessional statements, manipulate documents, threaten witnesses and so on. > > I was saddened by your following remarks- > "There is a valid criticism from even sympathetic secular sources that > there is no transparency in the receiving and disbursement of funds from > international charities and other sources. That only 7% of the money is > retained for use by MofC for its work and that a large chunk of the > remainder is first sent to the Vatican. > > I have no idea where that figure comes from. I am just repeating the > allegation. Whether unfounded or not the Missionaries of Charity hold the > power to make known the truth although I have strong doubts they will ever > do so." > > It is unfortunate that you give greater credence to unsubstantiated > allegations than the track record of over 50 years of a congregation who > have rendered yeoman service not only in India but all over the world , > some in extremely difficult circumstances like Yemen, Iraq and Syria. Your > insinuation that funds are laundered breaking all laws is in my humble view > very inappropriate and as a gentleman I would expect you to withdraw this > remark and apologise. > > Regards, > > Marshall
[Goanet] The alleged Baby scandal
Roland, At the outset, I have intentionally changed the Bye-line adding the word 'alleged' since that is a factual position. I do not know whether you have worked in a supervisory position or have been self-employed. Anyone who has worked in a supervisory position works on trust of his subordinates. It is difficult to micromanage every action. Hence there is always a risk of something going awry for which the buck stops at the supervisor. In the instant case, based on available information, this is what happened. It is always easy to comment on hindsight but difficult to predict what each subordinate is capable of doing. The helper was working with the Missionaries since 2012 and obviously earned their trust. That she betrayed the trust or was used in a set-up will be known in due course. Your remaining comments flow from ignorance of ground realities. Things do not work here as in Canada. One is always at the mercy of the authorities who do not give acknowledgements, search without warrants, take signatures on blank sheets of paper, coerce and torture those in custody to give confessional statements, manipulate documents, threaten witnesses and so on. I was saddened by your following remarks- "There is a valid criticism from even sympathetic secular sources that there is no transparency in the receiving and disbursement of funds from international charities and other sources. That only 7% of the money is retained for use by MofC for its work and that a large chunk of the remainder is first sent to the Vatican. I have no idea where that figure comes from. I am just repeating the allegation. Whether unfounded or not the Missionaries of Charity hold the power to make known the truth although I have strong doubts they will ever do so." It is unfortunate that you give greater credence to unsubstantiated allegations than the track record of over 50 years of a congregation who have rendered yeoman service not only in India but all over the world , some in extremely difficult circumstances like Yemen, Iraq and Syria. Your insinuation that funds are laundered breaking all laws is in my humble view very inappropriate and as a gentleman I would expect you to withdraw this remark and apologise. Regards, Marshall
