[Goanet] What Would You As The Pope Do?

2019-03-12 Thread Marshall Mendonza
Well said George!!!

Regards,

Marshall



*Roland, you have not put on your Papal hat. You are thinking like a good
moral person but not like the Pope in these circumstances. Never mind that
this Pope (or any Pope) does not want to be remembered as the Pope who
presided over the Church's bankruptcy and his self-interest in not wanting
to be part of that outcome. Never mind too that he might be upset his
Papacy is consumed by this issue - the rape of children by male clergy,
none of which was his doing. He is Pope for all the "flock" of 1.2
billion.?Think like a Pope. You want to do the right thing, but you do not
want 1.2 billion people to pay for the sins of a few, especially due to USA
courts where the financial judgments can bankrupt your church. You know
that if bankruptcy occurs, you need to sell your Catholic schools and
hospitals who millions around the world depend on (even the anti-Catholic
brigade hypocritically use Catholic schools and hospitals). You also have
to sell parishes too, to pay the sex abuse claims. On the one hand, you
want the animals who committed these crimes (and those who covered for
them) to pay the price and give financial restitution to the innocent
victims. On the other hand you do not want an entire institution to pay the
price for less than 2% of priests who are guilty.? And you realize there
are powerful forces who want to end religion and will use any issue (in
this case the rape of children) towards their goals, some of whom could not
care less about the rape of children but are committed t*




*o their anti-religion agenda.Keep thinking ... and while you are at it, a
bonus? - put on your Theresa May Brexit hat and figure out a solution.? So
many think the answers are easy.George  *


Re: [Goanet] What Would You As The Pope Do?

2019-02-19 Thread George Pinto
Roland, you have not put on your Papal hat. You are thinking like a good moral 
person but not like the Pope in these circumstances. Never mind that this Pope 
(or any Pope) does not want to be remembered as the Pope who presided over the 
Church's bankruptcy and his self-interest in not wanting to be part of that 
outcome. Never mind too that he might be upset his Papacy is consumed by this 
issue - the rape of children by male clergy, none of which was his doing. He is 
Pope for all the "flock" of 1.2 billion. 

Think like a Pope. You want to do the right thing, but you do not want 1.2 
billion people to pay for the sins of a few, especially due to USA courts where 
the financial judgments can bankrupt your church. You know that if bankruptcy 
occurs, you need to sell your Catholic schools and hospitals who millions 
around the world depend on (even the anti-Catholic brigade hypocritically use 
Catholic schools and hospitals). You also have to sell parishes too, to pay the 
sex abuse claims. On the one hand, you want the animals who committed these 
crimes (and those who covered for them) to pay the price and give financial 
restitution to the innocent victims. On the other hand you do not want an 
entire institution to pay the price for less than 2% of priests who are guilty. 
 And you realize there are powerful forces who want to end religion and will 
use any issue (in this case the rape of children) towards their goals, some of 
whom could not care less about the rape of children but are committed to their 
anti-religion agenda.

Keep thinking ... and while you are at it, a bonus  - put on your Theresa May 
Brexit hat and figure out a solution.  So many think the answers are easy.

George

 On Monday, February 18, 2019, 5:01:31 AM PST,  
wrote: 

George, you threw the gauntlet to readers and so I dare to reply.

As Apostle of Christ and the voice of the abused children whose lives were 
shattered and many of them ended prematurely, how about doing the only thing 
really open to you.

Make a full admission of guilt no matter the consequences financial and 
otherwise. 

If the Church goes bankrupt because the Big Guy allowed it to happen, then it 
was not worth saving anyway.

Wasn’t it the Lord and Master himself who taught us Love and Truth above all 
things and in Mathew 18:6 is believed to have said: “If anyone causes one of 
these little ones--those who believe in me--to stumble, it would be better for 
them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the 
depths of the sea.”

George Pinto wrote:
“The other side of that coin, is the Vatican knows any admission of legal guilt 
is grounds for the many legal cases filed in the USA to end in huge monetary 
judgments which will bankrupt the Church. The Pope knows that and that is why 
every response he gives in this matter is careful about admitting moral guilt 
but not legal guilt. There is NO ONE on this planet who can thread the fine 
line the Pope has to take if he wants to avoid bankrupting the Catholic Church 
especially through USA courts (put yourself in the Pope's shoes and see what 
great solution you can come up with given your Papal responsibility)”.

Roland.
Toronto


Re: [Goanet] What Would You As The Pope Do?

2019-02-19 Thread Mervyn Lobo
 George,


You seemed to have missed one crucial point. 



Parishioners who saw priests abuse children reported the same to the church 
authorities. The church authorities did nothing to help the kids. All they were 
interested in, was protecting themselves.


Secondly, it seems that every time I go to church nowadays, there is a second 
collection for the "Bishop's needs." These collections are for substantial 
amounts. The Catholic church will never go bankrupt. The Lord will not allow 
that to happen.


Mervyn

George Pinto wrote:
“The other side of that coin, is the Vatican knows any admission of legal guilt 
is grounds for the many legal cases filed in the USA to end in huge monetary 
judgments which will bankrupt the Church. The Pope knows that and that is why 
every response he gives in this matter is careful about admitting moral guilt 
but not legal guilt. There is NO ONE on this planet who can thread the fine 
line the Pope has to take if he wants to avoid bankrupting the Catholic Church 
especially through USA courts (put yourself in the Pope's shoes and see what 
great solution you can come up with given your Papal responsibility)”.

Roland.
Toronto.
  


[Goanet] What Would You As The Pope Do?

2019-02-18 Thread Roland Francis
George, you threw the gauntlet to readers and so I dare to reply.

As Apostle of Christ and the voice of the abused children whose lives were 
shattered and many of them ended prematurely, how about doing the only thing 
really open to you.

Make a full admission of guilt no matter the consequences financial and 
otherwise. 

If the Church goes bankrupt because the Big Guy allowed it to happen, then it 
was not worth saving anyway.

Wasn’t it the Lord and Master himself who taught us Love and Truth above all 
things and in Mathew 18:6 is believed to have said: “If anyone causes one of 
these little ones--those who believe in me--to stumble, it would be better for 
them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the 
depths of the sea.”

George Pinto wrote:
“The other side of that coin, is the Vatican knows any admission of legal guilt 
is grounds for the many legal cases filed in the USA to end in huge monetary 
judgments which will bankrupt the Church. The Pope knows that and that is why 
every response he gives in this matter is careful about admitting moral guilt 
but not legal guilt. There is NO ONE on this planet who can thread the fine 
line the Pope has to take if he wants to avoid bankrupting the Catholic Church 
especially through USA courts (put yourself in the Pope's shoes and see what 
great solution you can come up with given your Papal responsibility)”.

Roland.
Toronto.