Re: [Goanet] What evidence ?
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 03:51:32 -0400 From: Joe Lobo I happened to be watching last night on the Overseas Service of BBC- TV an enlightening segment on Iraq where a BBC TV correspondent was getting the views of average middle class educated Iraquis on the state of their nation ,about 8 years after the much revered USA president Mr. G.W. Bush decided that he must have regime change then and introduced the old concept of " democracy ". Speaking to a female university lecturer who said ... " Mr. Bush may have had great zeal in bringing us his western -style democracy..but he brought us more pain andsuffering. Under Mr Saddam , our former president who we knew was a military dictator..the poor people had had enough to eat andlow level of medical care. Now under the patronage and occupation of the all-powerful USA we have hungry poor and the introduction of corruption among our own Iraqui officials in the Homeand Defence ministries who charge the common people enormous bribe money to effect a simple transaction that was speedily done and bribe-free in Saddam`s regime. If a young man wants to join the army or the police, forexample , he has to be prepared to pay an entry bribe to concerned officials of the equivalent of $ 500 (US)." Mario responds: This is more selective reporting by the BBC which has supported the tyranny of Saddam Hussein from the beginning with relentless propaganda against the liberation. The US gave Iraq an epic opportunity for freedom and democracy, peace and prosperity, by removing Saddam's heavy heel from the necks of the Iraqi nation, and did so in less than a month in 2003 with minimum casualties. What happend next was the Iraqis turning against each other in sectarian violence while the US-led coalition has been helping the Iraq government to stop the mayhem and train them to handle their own security. There is no "occupation" since the coalition forces have been invited to be there by the Iraqi government to help secure Iraq's nascent democracy. The corruption will have to be corrected by the Iraqi people through their own electoral and legal systems. Any comparison between Iraq and the corruption in Goa is patently absurd.
[Goanet] What evidence ?
Joe Lobo writes: >Visiting Goa in November 2005 , I was assured by old >residents around Mapusa and Candolim that if a suitably >qualified University graduate wanted to join the Goa State >Police service in the officer cadre he hadbe prepared to >pay a bribe to the relevant recruiting officers of the >minimum of 2 lakh rupees. Freedom and democracy are not for the faint hearted, Joe. If you want it easy, it is better to be a slave. There are enough means to fight corruption today. A spy stealth camera is available for instance within Rs. 5000/-. It is not difficult to bring down the so-called mighty, but only if people want. If people want dhirios as indicated by the recent polls, they will get dhirios only, nothing more, nothing less! regards, Samir
Re: [Goanet] What evidence ?
Gabriel and Samir, I happened to be watching last night on the Overseas Service of BBC- TV an enlightening segment on Iraq where a BBC TV correspondent was getting the views of average middle class educated Iraquis on the state of their nation ,about 8 years after the much revered USA president Mr. G.W. Bush decided that he must have regime change then and introduced the old concept of " democracy ". Speaking to a female university lecturer who said ... " Mr. Bush may have had great zeal in bringing us his western -style democracy..but he brought us more pain andsuffering. Under Mr Saddam , our former president who we knew was a military dictator..the poor people had had enough to eat andlow level of medical care. Now under the patronage and occupation of the all-powerful USA we have hungry poor and the introduction of corruption among our own Iraqui officials in the Homeand Defence ministries who charge the common people enormous bribe money to effect a simple transaction that was speedily done and bribe-free in Saddam`s regime. If a young man wants to join the army or the police, forexample , he has to be prepared to pay an entry bribe to concerned officials of the equivalent of $ 500 (US)." Now , one may ask me what the above has to do with Goa ? Visiting Goa in November 2005 , I was assured by old residents around Mapusa and Candolim that if a suitably qualified University graduate wanted to join the Goa State Police service in the officer cadre he hadbe prepared to pay a bribe to the relevant recruiting officers of the minimum of 2 lakh rupees. Naturally, on appointment to a suitable post he worked towards recouping his " entry fee" by extorting from citizens or the constables under him. Would any police officer at high position in Goadeny this happens ? The I-G of Goa State police will , of course , feign ignorance of the situation or any complicity in such dealings .but one wonders on hearingof such standard operating procedures how endemic the corruption that has crept in from India since 1961 has become in Goa. whether it is under the patronage of the Congress govt.who kow-tow the Party High command in Delhior the more innovative goans in Goawho find a quick way to make a buck. Samir Kelekar wrote: Gabriel writes: How many cases of deaths have not been closed as ‘suicidal’ or ‘accidental’ >in the annals of Goa’s police records? Given what is happening today in Goa with Mahanand confessing to 9 murders, indeed every case of accident and/or suicide in all Goan police stations in the last 20 years has to be thoroughly looked at again. Who knows --- they could all be murders and the lazy Goan police just shut the cases down saying it is an accident or suicide. regards, Samir
[Goanet] What evidence ?
Gabriel writes: >How many cases of deaths have not been closed as ‘suicidal’ or ‘accidental’ >>in the annals of Goa’s police records? Given what is happening today in Goa with Mahanand confessing to 9 murders, indeed every case of accident and/or suicide in all Goan police stations in the last 20 years has to be thoroughly looked at again. Who knows --- they could all be murders and the lazy Goan police just shut the cases down saying it is an accident or suicide. regards, Samir
[Goanet] What evidence?
The Goa Police have done it again, and will continue doing it for reasons best known to them. How many cases of deaths have not been closed as ‘suicidal’ or ‘accidental’ in the annals of Goa’s police records? How many skeletons have not tumbled out of their concealed cupboards? The Russian girl’s death on the rail tracks near Tivim is being labelled as accidental death due to fall from train. Is there medical evidence that the death is not homicidal? Have viscera reports cleared that there was no evidence of intoxicating drugs? The girl could have been drugged and left on the tracks to die. That explains why the mutilated body was strewn over a distance of 75 meters sucked by the vacuum created by the speeding coaches as so many fast trains may have passed over it the whole night. The theory that she may have been smoking at the door is not plausible as it is more convenient to smoke in the toilet and not get caught. It is also necessary to know at what distance from Tivim station this occurred as you will know the speed of this train that left Tivim station. And I tend to believe the KRC in that a person falling off a train will not come under wheels but thrown off the tracks. A person can be sucked under the train only when the train is at a high speed. Besides, there are so many unanswered questions. Why did she not leave as scheduled? Why was she carrying the hotel key? Why are all her belongings with her and not part of it in the train as speculated that she was travelling? Why is there no ticket? Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão. Margão. _ Drag n’ drop—Get easy photo sharing with Windows Live™ Photos. http://www.microsoft.com/india/windows/windowslive/photos.aspx
