Re: [Goanet] Goa - Answer Within
Gilbert, Sir, You, with all your expertise, find out who started the so called 'SPAM' mail list. And then go and attack him/them. If you need a somewhat workable AK-47, I shall oblige. :-) B/rgds Cheers floriano goasuraj 9890470896 www.goasu-raj.org for scroll up expanded party presentation on the Home Page. Go for it GOA. Know something you have never known can happen in Goan Politics VIVA ESPANA VIVA FIFA 2010 - Original Message - From: Gilbert Lawrence gilbert2...@yahoo.com To: goa...@goanet.org Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 8:06 AM Subject: [Goanet] Goa - Answer Within As usual, Floriano, you have spoken the words of wisdom of the 'catholic' community of Goa owns the responsibility for the wayward (hypocritical) actions of it's own community members ... Can we do something practical nearer to home? Can we stop the spam mail generated by the wayward (hypocritical) actions of it's own community members ...? In fact after the recent discussion on Goanet about this topic; one of first spammer in my e-mail box was from your post to other equally guilty spammers. The other spammers, since that discussion, has also been other members of the 'catholic' community of Goa. I would most appreciate if you and others could cooperate, instead of writing about what others should do. What part of STOP SPAMMING DO YOU GUYS NOT UNDERSTAND? Regards, GL --- floriano wrote: The sooner the 'catholic' community of Goa owns the responsibility for the wayward (hypocritical) actions of it's own community members as MLAs and Ministers [ the blessing of the cabinet members at the Raj Bhavan by Ex-Archbishop Raul Gonsalves] of the Goa Government for long and for re-electing them and their kind over and over again , using it's massive clout, the better it will be for GOA to retain it's fast disappearing IDENTITY and everything GOAN which is in dire jeopardy. Needless to say that I commend you on your stand.
Re: [Goanet] Goa - Answer Within
Below is the reply to Arwin Mesquita's letter to Editor of GT. The reply has been published in GT today 13/7/2010 Sir, The Catholics in Goa have much to ponder upon as pointed out by Arwin Mesquita, UAE in the letter to Editor titled 'Answer within' which was published in GT (12/07/10). The Catholics of Goa have time and again been dubbed anti-nationals, goons and immoral by some enlightened forces within goan society. Now the catholic perspective by Mr. mesquita shows that they pray, fast, teach their children right from wrong, and then in hypocrisy do the very opposite. Looking back to the time of liberation from Portuguese rule, it is perhaps fair to question the political morality of the Catholic community in Goa ever since. They were never in favour of the pro-merger political party, the MGP which ruled Goa for over 20 years, and were terribly wrong in opposing Goa's merger into Maharashtra in the 1968 Opinion Poll. Thereafter, it were these Catholics who demanded that konkani be made the official language of Goa at the cost of marathi. Soon thereafter, the Catholics demanded Statehood which was an even bigger mistake. It was the catholic community that took an anti-national stance in opposing the present Konkan Railway alignment that brings in hordes of migrants and criminals every day and they were unpatriotic by not purchasing bonds floated by the KRC and marketed by BJP and MGP. As if this was not enough, the Catholics worked against development of the State by opposing the setting up of the meta-strips plant at Verna and the Nylon 66 plant at Keri. The latest blunder committed in 2007 was to oppose the Regional Plan 2011. These hypocritical Catholics just disrupt the Gram Sabhas and oppose the mega projects which hampers village development and progress and causes tremendous loss to builders and contractors. The 20 or 30 percent of goan catholic voters have brought nothing but political disaster to the State of Goa by sending 13 Catholic MLAs ( merely 32% ) to the 40 member Legislative Assembly. Catholics have time and again acted hyprocritical inspite of being in a minority and done the very opposite of what other goan communities have wanted since liberation, thus setting a bad example. Isn't it so, Mr. Mesquita? Perhaps, as rightly pointed out by Mr. Mesquita, Catholics now need to consider a new beginning, after all the mistakes of the past 50 years, and stop / avoid being pro-active. -Soter D'souza
Re: [Goanet] Goa - Answer Within
Dear Soter, My point was not to undermine Goan Catholics efforts for Goa. I am well aware of our Contribution. My point was much deeper and was targeted at the root cause: With reference to some of your facts stated, do you not see any ironies (Hypocrisy): (1) Who bought the Konkan Railway; was it not a Catholic lead Government? -And why are still voting for the same Catholic responsible for the same? Is this not Hypocrisy? Appears we want to have our cake and eat it too!! (2) Are Catholic MLA's not the main culprits in supporting Mega-Projects and destroying areas under their domain -Why are Catholics still voting for these corrupt MLAs? And that to term after term Surely you will appreciate that we are just creating more trouble for ourselves by first (in Hypocrisy) voting for the same Corrupt Catholic Ministers time and time again. I believe that before pointing fingers at others we need to be self-critical of ourselves. If we can translate our values into reponsible action at the Ballot Box; surely we can influence and play a very positive role towards the cause of Saving Goa, Its Land, Environment and its Identity. And Maybe by doing that first, we can be a Good Example to others!! Kind Regards, Arwin Message: 9 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 12:49:12 +0530 From: soter so...@bsnl.in To: goa...@goanet.org Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goa - Answer Within Message-ID: 001801cb225b$b64fea10$1901a...@user77948b9580 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Below is the reply to Arwin Mesquita's letter to Editor of GT. The reply has been published in GT today 13/7/2010 Sir, The Catholics in Goa have much to ponder upon as pointed out by Arwin Mesquita, UAE in the letter to Editor titled 'Answer within' which was published in GT (12/07/10). The Catholics of Goa have time and again been dubbed anti-nationals, goons and immoral by some enlightened forces within goan society. Now the catholic perspective by Mr. mesquita shows that they pray, fast, teach their children right from wrong, and then in hypocrisy do the very opposite. Looking back to the time of liberation from Portuguese rule, it is perhaps fair to question the political morality of the Catholic community in Goa ever since. They were never in favour of the pro-merger political party, the MGP which ruled Goa for over 20 years, and were terribly wrong in opposing Goa's merger into Maharashtra in the 1968 Opinion Poll. Thereafter, it were these Catholics who demanded that konkani be made the official language of Goa at the cost of marathi. Soon thereafter, the Catholics demanded Statehood which was an even bigger mistake. It was the catholic community that took an anti-national stance in opposing the present Konkan Railway alignment that brings in hordes of migrants and criminals every day and they were unpatriotic by not purchasing bonds floated by the KRC and marketed by BJP and MGP. As if this was not enough, the Catholics worked against development of the State by opposing the setting up of the meta-strips plant at Verna and the Nylon 66 plant at Keri. The latest blunder committed in 2007 was to oppose the Regional Plan 2011. These hypocritical Catholics just disrupt the Gram Sabhas and oppose the mega projects which hampers village development and progress and causes tremendous loss to builders and contractors. The 20 or 30 percent of goan catholic voters have brought nothing but political disaster to the State of Goa by sending 13 Catholic MLAs ( merely 32% ) to the 40 member Legislative Assembly. Catholics have time and again acted hyprocritical inspite of being in a minority and done the very opposite of what other goan communities have wanted since liberation, thus setting a bad example. Isn't it so, Mr. Mesquita? Perhaps, as rightly pointed out by Mr. Mesquita, Catholics now need to consider a new beginning, after all the mistakes of the past 50 years, and stop / avoid being pro-active. -Soter D'souza
Re: [Goanet] Goa - Answer Within
Arwin Mesquita arwinmesqu...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Soter, a: Who bought the Konkan Railway; was it not a Catholic lead Government? b: -And why are still voting for the same Catholic responsible for the same? c: Is this not Hypocrisy? Appears we want to have our cake and eat it too!! comment: Would Mr Mesquita, please advise WHO bought (brought) the Konkan Railway (I assume) to or through Goa? May I also ask if the then CM who OKed the project to pass through the areas it is passing through, much against expert advice .. IF he is still contesting elections? It is a totally different point that George Fernandes (a former Jesuit priest to be) was determined to make the Konkan Railway happen...and that many Goans find it convenient .and use it to travel to Bombay and back. I hope that Goans understand that post Dec 19, 1961 .every single Indian citizen has the fundamental right to travel to Goa, seek a job in Goa, reside in Goa and build a house and business in Goa. .etc etc Individuals like Arwin can do nothing about it except beat their chests and perhaps get some promises from politicians. You know what they say about political promises, do you not? BTW: As far as I see it, Goans are irrelevant in Goa. A major politician has already expressed with surprising honesty .that he does not need the votes of Goans. jc
Re: [Goanet] Goa - Answer Within
Dear Arwin, A most appropriate response to the outbursts by Soter D'Souza to your marvelous post ANSWER WITHIN', I must say. The sooner the 'catholic' community of Goa owns the responsibility for the wayward (hypocritical) actions of it's own community members as MLAs and Ministers [ the blessing of the cabinet members at the Raj Bhavan by Ex-Archbishop Raul Gonsalves] of the Goa Government for long and for re-electing them and their kind over and over again , using it's massive clout, the better it will be for GOA to retain it's fast disappearing IDENTITY and everything GOAN which is in dire jeopardy. Needless to say that I commend you on your stand. Cheers floriano goasuraj 9890470896 www.goasu-raj.org for scroll up expanded party presentation on the Home Page. Go for it GOA. Know something you have never known can happen in Goan Politics VIVA ESPANA VIVA FIFA 2010 - Original Message - From: Arwin Mesquita arwinmesqu...@gmail.com To: Goanet goa...@goanet.org Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goa - Answer Within Dear Soter, My point was not to undermine Goan Catholics efforts for Goa. I am well aware of our Contribution. My point was much deeper and was targeted at the root cause: With reference to some of your facts stated, do you not see any ironies (Hypocrisy): Kind Regards, Arwin Message: 9 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 12:49:12 +0530 From: soter so...@bsnl.in To: goa...@goanet.org Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goa - Answer Within Message-ID: 001801cb225b$b64fea10$1901a...@user77948b9580 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Below is the reply to Arwin Mesquita's letter to Editor of GT. The reply has been published in GT today 13/7/2010 Sir, The Catholics in Goa have much to ponder upon as pointed out by Arwin Mesquita, UAE in the letter to Editor titled 'Answer within' which was published in GT (12/07/10). The Catholics of Goa have time and again been dubbed anti-nationals, goons and immoral by some enlightened forces within goan society. Now the catholic perspective by Mr. mesquita shows that they pray, fast, teach their children right from wrong, and then in hypocrisy do the very opposite. -Soter D'souza
Re: [Goanet] Goa - Answer Within
No comments or else goanet may lose more subscribers. As for me, I do not subscribe to Arwins' views and leave it here. -Soter
Re: [Goanet] Goa – Answer Within
Dear Arwin, Thank you for this piece. It is something which has come in a long long time and which I just love. Deep introspection is what you have called for. I have always maintained that there are no 'good' and 'bad' politicians. Only the 'System' they are in is 'bad' which makes 'good' politicians turn bad or suffocate and 'bad' ones to prosper. Putting even bad people along with good people in a system that is good, reliable and strong, the consistent bad people will opt out because they will find it difficult to manipulate the 'system' to their advantage. This is what we need in Goa and this has been our (goasuraj's) stress point, whether it is Congress, BJP, NCP, UGDP, MGP, GSRP or whatever. Let the best be chosen to set us free from agitations, dharnas, protest marches, hunger strikes et al. And you have hit the right 'nail' of the right 'head' Combining 'hypocrisy' with 'catholism' in which Christianity aka 'following the 'leader' is totally missing. I have been harping on this point for a long long time. In our Constitution, the main page (inside cover) has this quote by Mahatma K. Gandhi WE MUST BE THE CHANGE WE WISH TO SEE IN THE WORLD And our world has always been revolving around our GOA whether we are in GOA or elsewhere in Diaspora. Cheers floriano goasu-raj.org 9890470896 www.goasu-raj.org for scroll up expanded party presentation on the HP. Go for it GOA. Know something you have never known can happen in Goan Politics - Original Message - From: Arwin Mesquita arwinmesqu...@gmail.com To: Goanet goa...@goanet.org Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 4:42 PM Subject: [Goanet] Goa – Answer Within We blame politicians who are looting/destroying Goa, its land, environment Identity. But with all due respect, let’s first look within to see the major causes of the same. (1) Who has voted for corrupt MLA's (2) Don't we ourselves support corruption unethical democratic methods; I appreciate that sometimes we are forced to, but surely this can be avoided in many cases (3) How many ask illegal favors from Corrupt MLA's and then become their slaves for life; what we do for selfish reasons will ultimately Arwin Mesquita (Abu Dhabi, UAE)
Re: [Goanet] Goa - Answer Within
Dear Arwin, Yes, the answer is indeed within us. However, it may be difficult to change the minds of those who've already been taken over by greed cannot do without the favors of politicians. Maybe we also need to focus on the future. Younger generation of Goans will inherit the responsibility of choosing their leaders. These are minds that can be influenced to act responsibly, to not take favors, but face challenges achieve success by themselves. Members in this mailing group have put up good photos on Goa. These could be presented in school / college seminars, so as to engage the young minds on what is happening, what can be done what is their vision for Goa. These young Goans could be the answer hope for a more efficient political administration. Regards, Inacio
