Re: [Goanet] India, sixth 'Wonder' of Americans
--- 2008 International Goan Convention Toronto, Canada Early Bird Discount Registration closes March 31, 2008 http://2008goanconvention.com/registration.html --- Mario Goveia wrote: > It sounds like you are unfamiliar with conditions in both India and America. Mario, I live in America. I am very familiar with the conditions here ;-) You are now the second person on Goanet who claims no one knows anything about culture/conditions unless or until it is approved by themselves :-) I am so sure I know the intricacies and the conditions of America that I willing to be scrutinized by you (and Dr* Rajan Parrikar if necessary) to prove the same. Mervyn3.0 The best way to destroy the capitalist system is to debauch the currency. - Vladimir Lenin - Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail. Click on Options in Mail and switch to New Mail today or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca
Re: [Goanet] India, sixth 'Wonder' of Americans
--- 2008 International Goan Convention Toronto, Canada Early Bird Discount Registration closes March 31, 2008 http://2008goanconvention.com/registration.html --- As the worthy discussant that you are, I had wriiten an elaborate response to your post with the incomplete excerpt, but lost my post due to a Gmail hiccup--my first. So in brief here is what I said with the prodigal sentence beginning with "Why": "But despite such acts of belligerence and a fascinating insult to itself,they still love the Chinese. Why -- undoubtedly for what China is willing to do to satiate the bellies of capitalism, their own and that of the USA." Perhaps you inadvertently missed the sentence immediately following the one you employed to make your case, Once that sentence is in place it becomes clear that I was looking at Nation States--their power brokers (elites if you will) and not survey responders. I am pleased that you went back to the earlier email, and I hope other do too. I am disappointed that I lost my text. I had also nailed the grammar on that one. venantius > From: Sachin Phadte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Goanet] India, sixth 'Wonder' of Americans > To my comment: "The news report that I read said that 55% of the respondents > viewed China negatively and 42% positively. I do not think this data would > indicate love." > > Venantius Pinto responds: "The data simply indicates that MORE people viewed > China negatively. Why bring in love in -- is this some kind of qualitative > analysis?" > > If Venantius had read his own posting carefully, it would be clear that he > was the one who brought love in the picture. He had written: "But despite > such acts of belligerence and a fascinating insult to itself,they still love > the Chinese." I had included this quote of his in the message to which > Venantius responded. > > Sachin Phadte
Re: [Goanet] India, sixth 'Wonder' of Americans
--- 2008 International Goan Convention Toronto, Canada Early Bird Discount Registration closes March 31, 2008 http://www.2008goanconvention.com --- To my comment: "The news report that I read said that 55% of the respondents viewed China negatively and 42% positively. I do not think this data would indicate love." Venantius Pinto responds: "The data simply indicates that MORE people viewed China negatively. Why bring in love in -- is this some kind of qualitative analysis?" If Venantius had read his own posting carefully, it would be clear that he was the one who brought love in the picture. He had written: "But despite such acts of belligerence and a fascinating insult to itself,they still love the Chinese." I had included this quote of his in the message to which Venantius responded. Sachin Phadte _ Post free property ads on Yello Classifieds now! www.yello.in http://ss1.richmedia.in/recurl.asp?pid=220
Re: [Goanet] India, sixth 'Wonder' of Americans
--- 2008 International Goan Convention Toronto, Canada Early Bird Discount Registration closes March 31, 2008 http://www.2008goanconvention.com --- Neither of us know what the questions were, or at least I do not. My views had strictly to do with adddresing Jerry Fernandes and not merely ignoring his question or saying, "Its cool that India is the sixth most popular country in the world." I have no clue as to who Jerry Fernandes is, and I am sure there will be others who will post such questions; but that question deserved my kind of a response. I do not wish to get into statistical reasoning, but do know enough to say that data, and data towards certain opinions is often made to fit a conclusion. But if it is important to believe India's popularity, and that we should take the "WASHINGTON (Agencies)" excerpt from Jerry Fernandes at face value -- I concede. It does not hurt me to concede, since it gives me a better sense than I thought of how we see things. One example, "The news report that I read said that 55% of the respondents viewed China negatively and 42% positively. I do not think this data would indicate love." The data simply indicates that MORE people viewed China negatively. Why bring in love in -- is this some kind of qualitative analysis? _ On another note, I finally see that the largely the topics that seems to run well on Goanet are politics as in governing the state, and Valmiki Faleiro's columns. Thanks heavens for those columns becuase no matter what (rain or shine, joy or depressin, I would think) they give one and all (people from every political motivation and those who are independent), glimpses into the near Goan past, while pointing towards the future of our making. This is my last post on "India, sixth 'Wonder' of Americans." venantius > From: Sachin Phadte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Goanet] India, sixth 'Wonder' of Americans > Venantius Pinto says: "I see Indians as reasonably proud people, but I do not > see Indian politicians from the same mould." > > I do not know what exactly are the questions that were asked of the persons > interviewed, but would it not be safe to presume that the opinion sought is > of the Indians as a whole, and NOT of the politicians? > > In his earlier message, Venantius said: "But despite such acts of > belligerence and a fascinating insult to itself,they still love the Chinese." > > The news report that I read said that 55% of the respondents viewed China > negatively and 42% positively. I do not think this data would indicate love. > > In case of India the respective figures are 22% and 69%. > > Sachin Phadte >
Re: [Goanet] India, sixth 'Wonder' of Americans
Venantius Pinto says: "I see Indians as reasonably proud people, but I do not see Indian politicians from the same mould." I do not know what exactly are the questions that were asked of the persons interviewed, but would it not be safe to presume that the opinion sought is of the Indians as a whole, and NOT of the politicians? In his earlier message, Venantius said: "But despite such acts of belligerence and a fascinating insult to itself,they still love the Chinese." The news report that I read said that 55% of the respondents viewed China negatively and 42% positively. I do not think this data would indicate love. In case of India the respective figures are 22% and 69%. Sachin Phadte _ Post free property ads on Yello Classifieds now! www.yello.in http://ss1.richmedia.in/recurl.asp?pid=219
Re: [Goanet] India, sixth 'Wonder' of Americans
I do not understand what Venantius Pinto is trying to say in context of the subject line. The report indicates the results of a survey, and unless one says that it is manipulated, one should take it at face value. And if one says it is manipulated, one should give the reasons why one is coming to such a conclusion. There are indeed many faults in the Indian society, and amongst the Indians. However, one has to see the broader picture, and this is what those who responded to the survey have done. Sachin Phadte _ Post free property ads on Yello Classifieds now! www.yello.in http://ss1.richmedia.in/recurl.asp?pid=219
Re: [Goanet] India, sixth 'Wonder' of Americans
Mario Goveia wrote: > India is growing as a popular destination for American tourists and > businessmen, and even more would come > if they didn't hear so many stories in the news about rape and murder and > corruption and poverty and civic > carelessness, i.e filth, inadequate sanitation systems, spitting all over the > place, public urinitating and > defecating, throwing thrash in public places and driving without > consideration for anyone else. Mario, Americans would feel at home with the rape, murder, poverty, civil carelessness, etc. After all, isn't the US the world leader in these fields? Mervyn3.0 Police were called to a daycare where a three-year-old was resisting a rest. Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet] India, sixth 'Wonder' of Americans
Dear Jerry, There are many sides to this popularity consensus, which is a consensus to begin with. But should Indians even care, and who are those that do concern themselves with such pronouncements in the media. To be popular means you have something -- in the case of humans; one is vivacious, elegant, a great pair of legs, and so on and so forth. They all allude and promise things. With countries, as we are embraced within late late capitalism -- being popular may have to do with economic aspects of an economy that enthralls the largest self-souped up super power. I happen to live in it so see the humor as well as the depth of the thought process, which is quite deep really, disarming and illusory. Pure maya really! There are good sides to India, but the USA is comfortable with an India which is assiduously following its lead on many issues, unlike other countries less than a fifth of our size. We do not berate the US (and certainly not publicly) on anything. We are opening economy in ways that gives meaning to the existences of the stewards of capital, to the constantly presumed engorging middle-class, to mirroring their concepts and constructing images of Protestant asceticism where making money using a shared model while playing pretense at trickle-down, to not really making ourselves clear in no uncertain terms about the relevance of the oil pipeline from Iran, and more than occasionally doing the shastang to appease which we do not even proverbially do anymore to our elders. See the track records of parties who have been in power to see this clearly. We also have the numbers to keep the surviving financial model continue thriving. Hey, Indians are even beginning to get enamoured with 18 carat gold. What can you not like about that. That's free money -- practically. Fibreglass cows will be next. If an F-16 "strayed" over India, it would certainly not be sent back in crates as the Chinese did. But despite such acts of belligerence and a fascinating insult to itself,they still love the Chinese. Why -- undoubtedly for what China is willing to do to satiate the bellies of capitalism, their own and that of the USA. Other than my two bits, it would always be good to get a personal take from an economist, a stockbroker, one playing the market, or perhaps even a Goa assimilated bhanya. But these are vain hopes as usual. venantius ___ > From: "Jerry Fernandes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [Goanet] India, sixth 'Wonder' of Americans > Dear Netters > So what has brought about this sudden rise in the interest of India amongst > the Americans? Is there any truth in this news? > > Cheers > > Jerry > > India, sixth 'Wonder' of Americans > WASHINGTON (Agencies): India is the sixth most popular country in the US, > with 69 per cent of the Americans having a positive image about it, while > Pakistan finds itself among the 10 most unpopular nations, according to a new > poll. Of 22 countries rated in Gallup's 2008 World Affairs survey, Canada, > Great Britain, Germany and Japan win favour with at least 80 per cent of > Americans. The top four is followed by Israel at 71 per cent. India ties with > France at the sixth spot for the positive image. [GT]
